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"while i agree with your thoughts, not giving them the jab wouldnt be good for the rest of us, the sooner we eradicate this bug the better" I said last to get jab not no jab...my question is because so many people during the worse just refused a mask up....bloody buggers.. | |||
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"Question...if those people who refused to wear masks...not those who couldn't...should they be last in line for vaccine?" No, vaccination is strategically delivered. We prioritise based in individuals risk, age etc.... for the benefit of all that should be stuck to. In some respects vaccinate a non mask wearing person earlier as their actions make them a greater risk for infection. | |||
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"Question...if those people who refused to wear masks...not those who couldn't...should they be last in line for vaccine?" What if they don’t want the vaccine | |||
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"Question...if those people who refused to wear masks...not those who couldn't...should they be last in line for vaccine? What if they don’t want the vaccine " Then they aren’t in the equation anyway... | |||
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"What do you think their choice will be when offered the vaccine?"  If they're not wearing masks I doubt they believe in vaccines. | |||
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"Or more to the point, should those who have been offered but refused the FREE vaccination be offered thousands of pounds of medical care if they catch covid unless they are prepared to get their cheque books out. " In the same sense then should those who smoke get any treatment when needed... Drug addicts? Obese related issues? Why should the NHS cover any of these issues when it’s all self inflicted. | |||
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"Question...if those people who refused to wear masks...not those who couldn't...should they be last in line for vaccine?" If they didn't want to wear a mask I don't think they would be bothered. Being last in line would be preferred. | |||
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"Or more to the point, should those who have been offered but refused the FREE vaccination be offered thousands of pounds of medical care if they catch covid unless they are prepared to get their cheque books out. In the same sense then should those who smoke get any treatment when needed... Drug addicts? Obese related issues? Why should the NHS cover any of these issues when it’s all self inflicted. " | |||
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"Or more to the point, should those who have been offered but refused the FREE vaccination be offered thousands of pounds of medical care if they catch covid unless they are prepared to get their cheque books out. In the same sense then should those who smoke get any treatment when needed... Drug addicts? Obese related issues? Why should the NHS cover any of these issues when it’s all self inflicted. "I think they should not cover all of these categories .. particularly any where the subject/ person has been unwilling to participate .. unless they are on a private treatment plan they pay for themselves of course! .. put it this way most people are either on zero-hours contracts or self-employed these days .. so if you are ill you done work and you don't get paid.. as a result, most people are taking better care of themselves .. going gym, stopping smoking/ drinking etc Drug addiction is very different from not agreeing to a vaccination .. though like everything there has to be a limit to how much money we can spend from the public purse and still justify it even with trying to help people give up drugs .. .. the harsh reality hitting a lot of people at the moment is nothing in this world comes for free .. and this will become even more evident if/ when Bojo starts selling off the NHS .. which is why people really should try to get vaccinated .. at least if there are any complications on the way the government will have to foot the bill because you followed the advice .. | |||
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"Or more to the point, should those who have been offered but refused the FREE vaccination be offered thousands of pounds of medical care if they catch covid unless they are prepared to get their cheque books out. In the same sense then should those who smoke get any treatment when needed... Drug addicts? Obese related issues? Why should the NHS cover any of these issues when it’s all self inflicted. "The day the NHS stops offering urgent care without judgement will be a very sad one. Not a notion I’d agree with despite all the selfishness or stupidity I feel some people display in their decision making. | |||
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"Or more to the point, should those who have been offered but refused the FREE vaccination be offered thousands of pounds of medical care if they catch covid unless they are prepared to get their cheque books out. In the same sense then should those who smoke get any treatment when needed... Drug addicts? Obese related issues? Why should the NHS cover any of these issues when it’s all self inflicted.
The day the NHS stops offering urgent care without judgement will be a very sad one. Not a notion I’d agree with despite all the selfishness or stupidity I feel some people display in their decision making. "I agree but the point was made to show that you can’t refuse treatment for one thing while there are lots of other things that get treated by the NHS daily and are also self inflicted. | |||
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"Or more to the point, should those who have been offered but refused the FREE vaccination be offered thousands of pounds of medical care if they catch covid unless they are prepared to get their cheque books out. In the same sense then should those who smoke get any treatment when needed... Drug addicts? Obese related issues? Why should the NHS cover any of these issues when it’s all self inflicted.
The day the NHS stops offering urgent care without judgement will be a very sad one. Not a notion I’d agree with despite all the selfishness or stupidity I feel some people display in their decision making.
I agree but the point was made to show that you can’t refuse treatment for one thing while there are lots of other things that get treated by the NHS daily and are also self inflicted. "I think I replied to the Post you had replied too, pretty sure we are saying the same thing x | |||
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"Or more to the point, should those who have been offered but refused the FREE vaccination be offered thousands of pounds of medical care if they catch covid unless they are prepared to get their cheque books out. In the same sense then should those who smoke get any treatment when needed... Drug addicts? Obese related issues? Why should the NHS cover any of these issues when it’s all self inflicted. " That's seriously a controversial/contentious issue because smokers pay way more tax than they cost the NHS, technically alcohol drinkers pay way more than they cost in medical but not in related issues but the obese pay nothing but cost the NHS more than smokers and drinkers put together ... the figures I can quote from when I did research just into this are now six years old but the figures are even worse | |||
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"Or more to the point, should those who have been offered but refused the FREE vaccination be offered thousands of pounds of medical care if they catch covid unless they are prepared to get their cheque books out. "  thousands of pounds in medical care for some lemsip, covid cost me £5 in medical treatment but I lost two weeks of work and wasn’t entitled to the grant as I’m Not on benefits. 99% of the deaths have had one major underlying health condition and that’s an inability to put the fork down | |||
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"Or more to the point, should those who have been offered but refused the FREE vaccination be offered thousands of pounds of medical care if they catch covid unless they are prepared to get their cheque books out. " Oh well said! I agree | |||
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"Or more to the point, should those who have been offered but refused the FREE vaccination be offered thousands of pounds of medical care if they catch covid unless they are prepared to get their cheque books out. Oh well said! I agree" Blimey it cost me some paracetamol .... think they 45p a packet ha ha ha | |||
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"Or more to the point, should those who have been offered but refused the FREE vaccination be offered thousands of pounds of medical care if they catch covid unless they are prepared to get their cheque books out. Oh well said! I agree Blimey it cost me some paracetamol .... think they 45p a packet ha ha ha " My Covid infection didn't cost me a penny. It cost my Grandad and Stepfather their lives. It pans out differently for different people. Mr KC just had his first vaccine tonight - very pleased! | |||
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"I love all these “make them pay” posts... How many of us have cost the NHS a bit too much in dental subsidies for liking chocolate a bit too much? How many of us as parents would be happy if our kid overdosed on a dodgy pill during a night out and where told they wouldn’t be treated as it’s their own fault? Perhaps our armies medics shouldn’t tend the wounded of other sides during conflict and vice versa? You can’t treat people and be judgemental, it’s a ridiculous notion and goes totally against the thinking of those delivering care in the country. " Actually in my case I haven't cost them anything.. Regrettably private health insurance is coming.. People need to start thinking about that and how it will impact their future and finances.. | |||
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"Or more to the point, should those who have been offered but refused the FREE vaccination be offered thousands of pounds of medical care if they catch covid unless they are prepared to get their cheque books out. Oh well said! I agree Blimey it cost me some paracetamol .... think they 45p a packet ha ha ha " Then you obviously didn't catch Covid? Or was that diagnosed? If so.. Bloody lucky!  | |||
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"Or more to the point, should those who have been offered but refused the FREE vaccination be offered thousands of pounds of medical care if they catch covid unless they are prepared to get their cheque books out. thousands of pounds in medical care for some lemsip, covid cost me £5 in medical treatment but I lost two weeks of work and wasn’t entitled to the grant as I’m Not on benefits. 99% of the deaths have had one major underlying health condition and that’s an inability to put the fork down"Incorrect! .. That's what all the gym bunny types are saying.. It isn't true though! | |||
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"No. Offer the vaccine on the same basis as for others. The vaccines are to help everyone, not simply a person who gets 1. " | |||
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"Or more to the point, should those who have been offered but refused the FREE vaccination be offered thousands of pounds of medical care if they catch covid unless they are prepared to get their cheque books out. In the same sense then should those who smoke get any treatment when needed... Drug addicts? Obese related issues? Why should the NHS cover any of these issues when it’s all self inflicted. That's seriously a controversial/contentious issue because smokers pay way more tax than they cost the NHS, technically alcohol drinkers pay way more than they cost in medical but not in related issues but the obese pay nothing but cost the NHS more than smokers and drinkers put together ... the figures I can quote from when I did research just into this are now six years old but the figures are even worse " The smokers/drinkers point also applies to a millionaire who has paid more in tax than it will cost to treat (for pretty much any illness). The whole point of a free at point of care health service is that it is free* and does not take account of lifestyle or hereditary health conditions (good luck getting affordable health insurance for that). *clearly our healthcare (via NHS) is NOT free as it is funded through taxation. If you are lucky and never ill and forced to make use of NHS then your tax has not helped you but has helped society. So all these “don’t treat people who don’t do x y z” ignores the fact that most people have already funded the NHS! | |||
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"Or more to the point, should those who have been offered but refused the FREE vaccination be offered thousands of pounds of medical care if they catch covid unless they are prepared to get their cheque books out. In the same sense then should those who smoke get any treatment when needed... Drug addicts? Obese related issues? Why should the NHS cover any of these issues when it’s all self inflicted. That's seriously a controversial/contentious issue because smokers pay way more tax than they cost the NHS, technically alcohol drinkers pay way more than they cost in medical but not in related issues but the obese pay nothing but cost the NHS more than smokers and drinkers put together ... the figures I can quote from when I did research just into this are now six years old but the figures are even worse The smokers/drinkers point also applies to a millionaire who has paid more in tax than it will cost to treat (for pretty much any illness). The whole point of a free at point of care health service is that it is free* and does not take account of lifestyle or hereditary health conditions (good luck getting affordable health insurance for that). *clearly our healthcare (via NHS) is NOT free as it is funded through taxation. If you are lucky and never ill and forced to make use of NHS then your tax has not helped you but has helped society. So all these “don’t treat people who don’t do x y z” ignores the fact that most people have already funded the NHS!" This is something I have pointed out numerous times people forget the tax payers bill through illnesses of health via drinking alcohol and smoking is higher than anything else yet it is free treatment but self-inflicted. | |||
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"Question...if those people who refused to wear masks...not those who couldn't...should they be last in line for vaccine?" You realise most masks in use are worse than useless? | |||
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"I love all these “make them pay” posts... How many of us have cost the NHS a bit too much in dental subsidies for liking chocolate a bit too much? How many of us as parents would be happy if our kid overdosed on a dodgy pill during a night out and where told they wouldn’t be treated as it’s their own fault? Perhaps our armies medics shouldn’t tend the wounded of other sides during conflict and vice versa? You can’t treat people and be judgemental, it’s a ridiculous notion and goes totally against the thinking of those delivering care in the country. " Thank goodness. Well said. | |||
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"Question...if those people who refused to wear masks...not those who couldn't...should they be last in line for vaccine? You realise most masks in use are worse than useless?" No they aren’t, several studies have shown they have what is a very limited benefit but when you apply that to a stage the size of planet earth, that equates to a massive difference. And actually if you look at masks in use in Britain the number of medical grade (eg blue front) masks sold then your use of the word ‘most’ is also inaccurate. | |||
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"I love all these “make them pay” posts... How many of us have cost the NHS a bit too much in dental subsidies for liking chocolate a bit too much? How many of us as parents would be happy if our kid overdosed on a dodgy pill during a night out and where told they wouldn’t be treated as it’s their own fault? Perhaps our armies medics shouldn’t tend the wounded of other sides during conflict and vice versa? You can’t treat people and be judgemental, it’s a ridiculous notion and goes totally against the thinking of those delivering care in the country. Thank goodness. Well said." I’m glad we’ve found at least one point to agree on, lol Ty x | |||
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"The likelihood is they are vaccine hesitant so it doesn't really matter.. My personal opinion is they should be prosecuted for intent to cause harm to others.. How many people has their selfish actions caused harm to, just because they feel they are better than anyone else. " So what negligence on your part allowed you to catch Covid? Should you pay for your treatment? | |||
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"I love all these “make them pay” posts... How many of us have cost the NHS a bit too much in dental subsidies for liking chocolate a bit too much? How many of us as parents would be happy if our kid overdosed on a dodgy pill during a night out and where told they wouldn’t be treated as it’s their own fault? Perhaps our armies medics shouldn’t tend the wounded of other sides during conflict and vice versa? You can’t treat people and be judgemental, it’s a ridiculous notion and goes totally against the thinking of those delivering care in the country. Thank goodness. Well said. I’m glad we’ve found at least one point to agree on, lol Ty x" There are probably more, I play devil's advocate, sometimes, simply to challenge lack of logic, or an attitude I find unacceptable. | |||
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"Put me last on the list, wont be taking it and never will. I dont need an experiment vaccine for a virus that's been over exaggerated and mass tested for using PCR with high false positives. This is about enabling mass surveillance, nothing more. The survival rate is higher than that of previous viruses in circulation we did nothing about. Nothing to do with selfishness it's to do with not needing it. Can still transmit with the vaccine so unsure why u think taking it has any effect on others, it only protects you and if you have it why are you worried if I dont, do you not think this is being pushed way to hard for a virus millions recovered from without a vaccine?" If only the science was as basic as your interpretation, from everything seen so far the key word is reduce. The vaccine reduces your chance of getting the virus. If you do get it because the viral load is reduced your symptoms will be less severe. Because your viral load is reduced your chance of infecting others is also reduced. | |||
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"I love all these “make them pay” posts... How many of us have cost the NHS a bit too much in dental subsidies for liking chocolate a bit too much? How many of us as parents would be happy if our kid overdosed on a dodgy pill during a night out and where told they wouldn’t be treated as it’s their own fault? Perhaps our armies medics shouldn’t tend the wounded of other sides during conflict and vice versa? You can’t treat people and be judgemental, it’s a ridiculous notion and goes totally against the thinking of those delivering care in the country. Thank goodness. Well said. I’m glad we’ve found at least one point to agree on, lol Ty x There are probably more, I play devil's advocate, sometimes, simply to challenge lack of logic, or an attitude I find unacceptable. " I’m sure there are | |||
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"Or more to the point, should those who have been offered but refused the FREE vaccination be offered thousands of pounds of medical care if they catch covid unless they are prepared to get their cheque books out. In the same sense then should those who smoke get any treatment when needed... Drug addicts? Obese related issues? Why should the NHS cover any of these issues when it’s all self inflicted.
The day the NHS stops offering urgent care without judgement will be a very sad one. Not a notion I’d agree with despite all the selfishness or stupidity I feel some people display in their decision making. "Where would this stop? What about people who come off motorbikes and arnt wearing correct kit? Nothing against bikers!! Just reminded me of hearing someone say once they should t be treated free if they wwsrnt in the correct stuff. | |||
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"Put me last on the list, wont be taking it and never will. I dont need an experiment vaccine for a virus that's been over exaggerated and mass tested for using PCR with high false positives. This is about enabling mass surveillance, nothing more. The survival rate is higher than that of previous viruses in circulation we did nothing about. Nothing to do with selfishness it's to do with not needing it. Can still transmit with the vaccine so unsure why u think taking it has any effect on others, it only protects you and if you have it why are you worried if I dont, do you not think this is being pushed way to hard for a virus millions recovered from without a vaccine? If only the science was as basic as your interpretation, from everything seen so far the key word is reduce. The vaccine reduces your chance of getting the virus. If you do get it because the viral load is reduced your symptoms will be less severe. Because your viral load is reduced your chance of infecting others is also reduced." What a load of shit, this virus has been over counted, over tested & over exaggerated to scare people into taking this vaccine and change the way of society, whilst also enabling mass surveillance. The government has already issue documents stating that hospitalisations during winter will be dominated by those who have had both jabs, 60-70% of all hospitalisations. They know what they are doing they are just hiding it because people cant be bothered to go an look up the policies that shape our daily lives. If this virus was as deadly as they made out they wouldnt have had to count deaths the way they did, or use 'cases' to warrant lockdown. It's all falsified and you lot have been fooled. | |||
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"Put me last on the list, wont be taking it and never will. I dont need an experiment vaccine for a virus that's been over exaggerated and mass tested for using PCR with high false positives. This is about enabling mass surveillance, nothing more. The survival rate is higher than that of previous viruses in circulation we did nothing about. Nothing to do with selfishness it's to do with not needing it. Can still transmit with the vaccine so unsure why u think taking it has any effect on others, it only protects you and if you have it why are you worried if I dont, do you not think this is being pushed way to hard for a virus millions recovered from without a vaccine? If only the science was as basic as your interpretation, from everything seen so far the key word is reduce. The vaccine reduces your chance of getting the virus. If you do get it because the viral load is reduced your symptoms will be less severe. Because your viral load is reduced your chance of infecting others is also reduced. What a load of shit, this virus has been over counted, over tested & over exaggerated to scare people into taking this vaccine and change the way of society, whilst also enabling mass surveillance. The government has already issue documents stating that hospitalisations during winter will be dominated by those who have had both jabs, 60-70% of all hospitalisations. They know what they are doing they are just hiding it because people cant be bothered to go an look up the policies that shape our daily lives. If this virus was as deadly as they made out they wouldnt have had to count deaths the way they did, or use 'cases' to warrant lockdown. It's all falsified and you lot have been fooled." How then, oh amazing genius, should deaths have been counted? It's been very clear what the death counts mean, if people misinterpret them, that's not the data's fault. | |||
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"Put me last on the list, wont be taking it and never will. I dont need an experiment vaccine for a virus that's been over exaggerated and mass tested for using PCR with high false positives. This is about enabling mass surveillance, nothing more. The survival rate is higher than that of previous viruses in circulation we did nothing about. Nothing to do with selfishness it's to do with not needing it. Can still transmit with the vaccine so unsure why u think taking it has any effect on others, it only protects you and if you have it why are you worried if I dont, do you not think this is being pushed way to hard for a virus millions recovered from without a vaccine? If only the science was as basic as your interpretation, from everything seen so far the key word is reduce. The vaccine reduces your chance of getting the virus. If you do get it because the viral load is reduced your symptoms will be less severe. Because your viral load is reduced your chance of infecting others is also reduced. What a load of shit, this virus has been over counted, over tested & over exaggerated to scare people into taking this vaccine and change the way of society, whilst also enabling mass surveillance. The government has already issue documents stating that hospitalisations during winter will be dominated by those who have had both jabs, 60-70% of all hospitalisations. They know what they are doing they are just hiding it because people cant be bothered to go an look up the policies that shape our daily lives. If this virus was as deadly as they made out they wouldnt have had to count deaths the way they did, or use 'cases' to warrant lockdown. It's all falsified and you lot have been fooled. How then, oh amazing genius, should deaths have been counted? It's been very clear what the death counts mean, if people misinterpret them, that's not the data's fault." Deaths were counted of anyone with a positive test regardless of actual cause. I have videos of the health ministers stating that not all deaths counted would have been infected people because the numbers include anyone with covid 19 on death certificate. This does not mean their cause of death was covid. PCR cannot differentiate between bacterial infections, cold, flu. There is also a study by DR Reiner Fuellmich where he tested 1500 covid samples and found influenza a or b on EVERY ONE, no covid. SARS-CoV-2 is a virus that we normally expect seasonally, covid is a disease that MAY be caused by SARS-CoV-2 but this has never been proven to exist it is the covid disease they have lied about. | |||
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"Put me last on the list, wont be taking it and never will. I dont need an experiment vaccine for a virus that's been over exaggerated and mass tested for using PCR with high false positives. This is about enabling mass surveillance, nothing more. The survival rate is higher than that of previous viruses in circulation we did nothing about. Nothing to do with selfishness it's to do with not needing it. Can still transmit with the vaccine so unsure why u think taking it has any effect on others, it only protects you and if you have it why are you worried if I dont, do you not think this is being pushed way to hard for a virus millions recovered from without a vaccine? If only the science was as basic as your interpretation, from everything seen so far the key word is reduce. The vaccine reduces your chance of getting the virus. If you do get it because the viral load is reduced your symptoms will be less severe. Because your viral load is reduced your chance of infecting others is also reduced. What a load of shit, this virus has been over counted, over tested & over exaggerated to scare people into taking this vaccine and change the way of society, whilst also enabling mass surveillance. The government has already issue documents stating that hospitalisations during winter will be dominated by those who have had both jabs, 60-70% of all hospitalisations. They know what they are doing they are just hiding it because people cant be bothered to go an look up the policies that shape our daily lives. If this virus was as deadly as they made out they wouldnt have had to count deaths the way they did, or use 'cases' to warrant lockdown. It's all falsified and you lot have been fooled." As a member of the NHS I’ll consider myself as a member of “they”... It always intrigues me when people like yourself talk about the Tories. I’m not a fan of them myself but have to say I’m a tad confused by why if as you say. a bunch of money making self serving greedy fuckers would deliberately engineer a reason to shut down industry and commerce which would so badly affect their own interests too.... I’m not going to start a conversation regarding “fictional deaths”, I’ve attended enough of them in the past 16 months to just view your statement as firstly highly disrespectful to those families that have suffered but also totally delusional compared to the reality. | |||
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"Put me last on the list, wont be taking it and never will. I dont need an experiment vaccine for a virus that's been over exaggerated and mass tested for using PCR with high false positives. This is about enabling mass surveillance, nothing more. The survival rate is higher than that of previous viruses in circulation we did nothing about. Nothing to do with selfishness it's to do with not needing it. Can still transmit with the vaccine so unsure why u think taking it has any effect on others, it only protects you and if you have it why are you worried if I dont, do you not think this is being pushed way to hard for a virus millions recovered from without a vaccine? If only the science was as basic as your interpretation, from everything seen so far the key word is reduce. The vaccine reduces your chance of getting the virus. If you do get it because the viral load is reduced your symptoms will be less severe. Because your viral load is reduced your chance of infecting others is also reduced. What a load of shit, this virus has been over counted, over tested & over exaggerated to scare people into taking this vaccine and change the way of society, whilst also enabling mass surveillance. The government has already issue documents stating that hospitalisations during winter will be dominated by those who have had both jabs, 60-70% of all hospitalisations. They know what they are doing they are just hiding it because people cant be bothered to go an look up the policies that shape our daily lives. If this virus was as deadly as they made out they wouldnt have had to count deaths the way they did, or use 'cases' to warrant lockdown. It's all falsified and you lot have been fooled. As a member of the NHS I’ll consider myself as a member of “they”... It always intrigues me when people like yourself talk about the Tories. I’m not a fan of them myself but have to say I’m a tad confused by why if as you say. a bunch of money making self serving greedy fuckers would deliberately engineer a reason to shut down industry and commerce which would so badly affect their own interests too.... I’m not going to start a conversation regarding “fictional deaths”, I’ve attended enough of them in the past 16 months to just view your statement as firstly highly disrespectful to those families that have suffered but also totally delusional compared to the reality. " That's purely your own opinion, who mentioned Tories? I dont do politics and if you think their own interests are badly affect please go and look up how much more companies have made in the last year in comparison to others, not small businesses Big Tech & Big Pharma companies have a all profited massively during the last year so unsure why you think it damaged them, the only people this damaged are the general public. Why is it disrespectful? It's the factual matter of the situation. People should be distraught that they couldn't be with loved ones passing due to this and the lies that have been spread around its severity. | |||
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"What gets me with this thread is actually it just hints at personal vendetta, masked criticism etc. The majority of us buy into vaccination as it is hopefully the mechanism to enjoy the freedom of a reduction or removal of social limitations. The crux of vaccination is to get AS MANY people vaccinated as possible. Why on earth would excluding or delaying people now wishing to be vaccinated be in the best interest of the general public? People need to stop sniping, stop creating a narrative that creates a division which only serves to make those who are undecided feel attacked and therefore probably be less likely to take a positive step and get vaccinated." THIS | |||
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"How then, oh amazing genius, should deaths have been counted? It's been very clear what the death counts mean, if people misinterpret them, that's not the data's fault. Deaths were counted of anyone with a positive test regardless of actual cause. I have videos of the health ministers stating that not all deaths counted would have been infected people because the numbers include anyone with covid 19 on death certificate. This does not mean their cause of death was covid. PCR cannot differentiate between bacterial infections, cold, flu. There is also a study by DR Reiner Fuellmich where he tested 1500 covid samples and found influenza a or b on EVERY ONE, no covid. SARS-CoV-2 is a virus that we normally expect seasonally, covid is a disease that MAY be caused by SARS-CoV-2 but this has never been proven to exist it is the covid disease they have lied about. " You have videos. Got a pro here... Like I said, if people misinterpret the death stats, that's not the stats fault. Just because "Deaths within 28 days of a positive" and "Deaths with Covid on the death certificate" don't literally mean "Died of Covid" - because of course, for example, Covid critically weakened many people to the point where they literally died of Pneumonia... so Covid shouldn't be counted there? I asked how they should actually be counted given the significant ambiguities and subtleties around these complex issues. around it. You didn't answer. | |||
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"How then, oh amazing genius, should deaths have been counted? It's been very clear what the death counts mean, if people misinterpret them, that's not the data's fault. Deaths were counted of anyone with a positive test regardless of actual cause. I have videos of the health ministers stating that not all deaths counted would have been infected people because the numbers include anyone with covid 19 on death certificate. This does not mean their cause of death was covid. PCR cannot differentiate between bacterial infections, cold, flu. There is also a study by DR Reiner Fuellmich where he tested 1500 covid samples and found influenza a or b on EVERY ONE, no covid. SARS-CoV-2 is a virus that we normally expect seasonally, covid is a disease that MAY be caused by SARS-CoV-2 but this has never been proven to exist it is the covid disease they have lied about. You have videos. Got a pro here... Like I said, if people misinterpret the death stats, that's not the stats fault. Just because "Deaths within 28 days of a positive" and "Deaths with Covid on the death certificate" don't literally mean "Died of Covid" - because of course, for example, Covid critically weakened many people to the point where they literally died of Pneumonia... so Covid shouldn't be counted there? I asked how they should actually be counted given the significant ambiguities and subtleties around these complex issues. around it. You didn't answer." With further testing to ensure that person actually had covid would be a good start, instead of the result of a PCR test which is not a diagnostic tool. States it should not be used as sole basis for patient management decisions. Yet they used the results of PCR tests to dictate what happens with a whole population of people using cases as the warrant for it. Nothing complex about it a positive PCR test is supposed to be accompanied by further testing to define the reason for a positive result. | |||
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"How then, oh amazing genius, should deaths have been counted? It's been very clear what the death counts mean, if people misinterpret them, that's not the data's fault. Deaths were counted of anyone with a positive test regardless of actual cause. I have videos of the health ministers stating that not all deaths counted would have been infected people because the numbers include anyone with covid 19 on death certificate. This does not mean their cause of death was covid. PCR cannot differentiate between bacterial infections, cold, flu. There is also a study by DR Reiner Fuellmich where he tested 1500 covid samples and found influenza a or b on EVERY ONE, no covid. SARS-CoV-2 is a virus that we normally expect seasonally, covid is a disease that MAY be caused by SARS-CoV-2 but this has never been proven to exist it is the covid disease they have lied about. You have videos. Got a pro here... Like I said, if people misinterpret the death stats, that's not the stats fault. Just because "Deaths within 28 days of a positive" and "Deaths with Covid on the death certificate" don't literally mean "Died of Covid" - because of course, for example, Covid critically weakened many people to the point where they literally died of Pneumonia... so Covid shouldn't be counted there? I asked how they should actually be counted given the significant ambiguities and subtleties around these complex issues. around it. You didn't answer. With further testing to ensure that person actually had covid would be a good start, instead of the result of a PCR test which is not a diagnostic tool. States it should not be used as sole basis for patient management decisions. Yet they used the results of PCR tests to dictate what happens with a whole population of people using cases as the warrant for it. Nothing complex about it a positive PCR test is supposed to be accompanied by further testing to define the reason for a positive result." How do you seriously scale that to 60,000 cases a day? It's pretty impressive we got this far, doesn't seem at all viable what you're saying there. | |||
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"How then, oh amazing genius, should deaths have been counted? It's been very clear what the death counts mean, if people misinterpret them, that's not the data's fault. Deaths were counted of anyone with a positive test regardless of actual cause. I have videos of the health ministers stating that not all deaths counted would have been infected people because the numbers include anyone with covid 19 on death certificate. This does not mean their cause of death was covid. PCR cannot differentiate between bacterial infections, cold, flu. There is also a study by DR Reiner Fuellmich where he tested 1500 covid samples and found influenza a or b on EVERY ONE, no covid. SARS-CoV-2 is a virus that we normally expect seasonally, covid is a disease that MAY be caused by SARS-CoV-2 but this has never been proven to exist it is the covid disease they have lied about. You have videos. Got a pro here... Like I said, if people misinterpret the death stats, that's not the stats fault. Just because "Deaths within 28 days of a positive" and "Deaths with Covid on the death certificate" don't literally mean "Died of Covid" - because of course, for example, Covid critically weakened many people to the point where they literally died of Pneumonia... so Covid shouldn't be counted there? I asked how they should actually be counted given the significant ambiguities and subtleties around these complex issues. around it. You didn't answer. With further testing to ensure that person actually had covid would be a good start, instead of the result of a PCR test which is not a diagnostic tool. States it should not be used as sole basis for patient management decisions. Yet they used the results of PCR tests to dictate what happens with a whole population of people using cases as the warrant for it. Nothing complex about it a positive PCR test is supposed to be accompanied by further testing to define the reason for a positive result." Yes a video from the horses mouth stating that not all deaths recorded were people infected with covid. That says alot to me. Please tell me why they arent counting people dying 28 days after a vaccination.. oh yea because you'd get the same result a huge death count but they dont want that for vaccines only the cause of the problem. | |||
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"Or more to the point, should those who have been offered but refused the FREE vaccination be offered thousands of pounds of medical care if they catch covid unless they are prepared to get their cheque books out. " this I agree, but shouldn't it be the same for smokers, why should NHS pay for treatment for someone who smokes they know what damage it can cause yet smoke anyway | |||
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"How then, oh amazing genius, should deaths have been counted? It's been very clear what the death counts mean, if people misinterpret them, that's not the data's fault. Deaths were counted of anyone with a positive test regardless of actual cause. I have videos of the health ministers stating that not all deaths counted would have been infected people because the numbers include anyone with covid 19 on death certificate. This does not mean their cause of death was covid. PCR cannot differentiate between bacterial infections, cold, flu. There is also a study by DR Reiner Fuellmich where he tested 1500 covid samples and found influenza a or b on EVERY ONE, no covid. SARS-CoV-2 is a virus that we normally expect seasonally, covid is a disease that MAY be caused by SARS-CoV-2 but this has never been proven to exist it is the covid disease they have lied about. You have videos. Got a pro here... Like I said, if people misinterpret the death stats, that's not the stats fault. Just because "Deaths within 28 days of a positive" and "Deaths with Covid on the death certificate" don't literally mean "Died of Covid" - because of course, for example, Covid critically weakened many people to the point where they literally died of Pneumonia... so Covid shouldn't be counted there? I asked how they should actually be counted given the significant ambiguities and subtleties around these complex issues. around it. You didn't answer. With further testing to ensure that person actually had covid would be a good start, instead of the result of a PCR test which is not a diagnostic tool. States it should not be used as sole basis for patient management decisions. Yet they used the results of PCR tests to dictate what happens with a whole population of people using cases as the warrant for it. Nothing complex about it a positive PCR test is supposed to be accompanied by further testing to define the reason for a positive result. How do you seriously scale that to 60,000 cases a day? It's pretty impressive we got this far, doesn't seem at all viable what you're saying there." It's not hard to get 60,000 positive PCR tests a day when cycle rates are above 35 cycles, false positives are 1 in 3 when you cycle over 35 they ran PCR at 42 - 45 amplification cycles, this will give a huge number of false positives, same reason the test was so invasive, getting right up in your nose where bacteria sits that a PCR test will flag positive for especially when cycles are over 35. Then they lock people down and reduce the cycle rate and say wow look at how lockdowns have reduced cases bla bla bla. | |||
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"Put me last on the list, wont be taking it and never will. I dont need an experiment vaccine for a virus that's been over exaggerated and mass tested for using PCR with high false positives. This is about enabling mass surveillance, nothing more. The survival rate is higher than that of previous viruses in circulation we did nothing about. Nothing to do with selfishness it's to do with not needing it. Can still transmit with the vaccine so unsure why u think taking it has any effect on others, it only protects you and if you have it why are you worried if I dont, do you not think this is being pushed way to hard for a virus millions recovered from without a vaccine? If only the science was as basic as your interpretation, from everything seen so far the key word is reduce. The vaccine reduces your chance of getting the virus. If you do get it because the viral load is reduced your symptoms will be less severe. Because your viral load is reduced your chance of infecting others is also reduced. What a load of shit, this virus has been over counted, over tested & over exaggerated to scare people into taking this vaccine and change the way of society, whilst also enabling mass surveillance. The government has already issue documents stating that hospitalisations during winter will be dominated by those who have had both jabs, 60-70% of all hospitalisations. They know what they are doing they are just hiding it because people cant be bothered to go an look up the policies that shape our daily lives. If this virus was as deadly as they made out they wouldnt have had to count deaths the way they did, or use 'cases' to warrant lockdown. It's all falsified and you lot have been fooled. As a member of the NHS I’ll consider myself as a member of “they”... It always intrigues me when people like yourself talk about the Tories. I’m not a fan of them myself but have to say I’m a tad confused by why if as you say. a bunch of money making self serving greedy fuckers would deliberately engineer a reason to shut down industry and commerce which would so badly affect their own interests too.... I’m not going to start a conversation regarding “fictional deaths”, I’ve attended enough of them in the past 16 months to just view your statement as firstly highly disrespectful to those families that have suffered but also totally delusional compared to the reality. That's purely your own opinion, who mentioned Tories? I dont do politics and if you think their own interests are badly affect please go and look up how much more companies have made in the last year in comparison to others, not small businesses Big Tech & Big Pharma companies have a all profited massively during the last year so unsure why you think it damaged them, the only people this damaged are the general public. Why is it disrespectful? It's the factual matter of the situation. People should be distraught that they couldn't be with loved ones passing due to this and the lies that have been spread around its severity. " It’s disrespectful because those who have lost loved ones have seen the severity, the conditions and reality firsthand... yet, you, a man with 1/2 a gram of information and zero firsthand experience believe you have the right to rubbish what they’ve had to endure. | |||
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"How then, oh amazing genius, should deaths have been counted? It's been very clear what the death counts mean, if people misinterpret them, that's not the data's fault. Deaths were counted of anyone with a positive test regardless of actual cause. I have videos of the health ministers stating that not all deaths counted would have been infected people because the numbers include anyone with covid 19 on death certificate. This does not mean their cause of death was covid. PCR cannot differentiate between bacterial infections, cold, flu. There is also a study by DR Reiner Fuellmich where he tested 1500 covid samples and found influenza a or b on EVERY ONE, no covid. SARS-CoV-2 is a virus that we normally expect seasonally, covid is a disease that MAY be caused by SARS-CoV-2 but this has never been proven to exist it is the covid disease they have lied about. You have videos. Got a pro here... Like I said, if people misinterpret the death stats, that's not the stats fault. Just because "Deaths within 28 days of a positive" and "Deaths with Covid on the death certificate" don't literally mean "Died of Covid" - because of course, for example, Covid critically weakened many people to the point where they literally died of Pneumonia... so Covid shouldn't be counted there? I asked how they should actually be counted given the significant ambiguities and subtleties around these complex issues. around it. You didn't answer. With further testing to ensure that person actually had covid would be a good start, instead of the result of a PCR test which is not a diagnostic tool. States it should not be used as sole basis for patient management decisions. Yet they used the results of PCR tests to dictate what happens with a whole population of people using cases as the warrant for it. Nothing complex about it a positive PCR test is supposed to be accompanied by further testing to define the reason for a positive result. How do you seriously scale that to 60,000 cases a day? It's pretty impressive we got this far, doesn't seem at all viable what you're saying there. It's not hard to get 60,000 positive PCR tests a day when cycle rates are above 35 cycles, false positives are 1 in 3 when you cycle over 35 they ran PCR at 42 - 45 amplification cycles, this will give a huge number of false positives, same reason the test was so invasive, getting right up in your nose where bacteria sits that a PCR test will flag positive for especially when cycles are over 35. Then they lock people down and reduce the cycle rate and say wow look at how lockdowns have reduced cases bla bla bla." Its also how they are able to state that 1 in 3 are asymptomatic, which is not true its just healthy people received positive tests that counted as a case number with no infection. If 1 in 3 are walking around with this deadly virus absolutely fine and unknowingly it's really not that deadly is it?.. | |||
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" It's not hard to get 60,000 positive PCR tests a day when cycle rates are above 35 cycles, false positives are 1 in 3 when you cycle over 35 they ran PCR at 42 - 45 amplification cycles, this will give a huge number of false positives, same reason the test was so invasive, getting right up in your nose where bacteria sits that a PCR test will flag positive for especially when cycles are over 35. Then they lock people down and reduce the cycle rate and say wow look at how lockdowns have reduced cases bla bla bla." Out of interest and to add clarity, what’s your background? What do you do as a day job? | |||
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"Put me last on the list, wont be taking it and never will. I dont need an experiment vaccine for a virus that's been over exaggerated and mass tested for using PCR with high false positives. This is about enabling mass surveillance, nothing more. The survival rate is higher than that of previous viruses in circulation we did nothing about. Nothing to do with selfishness it's to do with not needing it. Can still transmit with the vaccine so unsure why u think taking it has any effect on others, it only protects you and if you have it why are you worried if I dont, do you not think this is being pushed way to hard for a virus millions recovered from without a vaccine? If only the science was as basic as your interpretation, from everything seen so far the key word is reduce. The vaccine reduces your chance of getting the virus. If you do get it because the viral load is reduced your symptoms will be less severe. Because your viral load is reduced your chance of infecting others is also reduced. What a load of shit, this virus has been over counted, over tested & over exaggerated to scare people into taking this vaccine and change the way of society, whilst also enabling mass surveillance. The government has already issue documents stating that hospitalisations during winter will be dominated by those who have had both jabs, 60-70% of all hospitalisations. They know what they are doing they are just hiding it because people cant be bothered to go an look up the policies that shape our daily lives. If this virus was as deadly as they made out they wouldnt have had to count deaths the way they did, or use 'cases' to warrant lockdown. It's all falsified and you lot have been fooled. As a member of the NHS I’ll consider myself as a member of “they”... It always intrigues me when people like yourself talk about the Tories. I’m not a fan of them myself but have to say I’m a tad confused by why if as you say. a bunch of money making self serving greedy fuckers would deliberately engineer a reason to shut down industry and commerce which would so badly affect their own interests too.... I’m not going to start a conversation regarding “fictional deaths”, I’ve attended enough of them in the past 16 months to just view your statement as firstly highly disrespectful to those families that have suffered but also totally delusional compared to the reality. That's purely your own opinion, who mentioned Tories? I dont do politics and if you think their own interests are badly affect please go and look up how much more companies have made in the last year in comparison to others, not small businesses Big Tech & Big Pharma companies have a all profited massively during the last year so unsure why you think it damaged them, the only people this damaged are the general public. Why is it disrespectful? It's the factual matter of the situation. People should be distraught that they couldn't be with loved ones passing due to this and the lies that have been spread around its severity. It’s disrespectful because those who have lost loved ones have seen the severity, the conditions and reality firsthand... yet, you, a man with 1/2 a gram of information and zero firsthand experience believe you have the right to rubbish what they’ve had to endure." You do realise 1000s of people die from viruses every year normally and people would have seen this from loved ones in 2019 2018 2017 etc etc. My grandad caught a cold and it ended up giving him pneumonia. This was in 2012, should I have masked up and never gone near people again after that? They have brainwashed society into believing healthy humans are going to make them ill. If I'm not ill I wont make you ill, you know as it always has been since the beginning of humanity. | |||
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" It's not hard to get 60,000 positive PCR tests a day when cycle rates are above 35 cycles, false positives are 1 in 3 when you cycle over 35 they ran PCR at 42 - 45 amplification cycles, this will give a huge number of false positives, same reason the test was so invasive, getting right up in your nose where bacteria sits that a PCR test will flag positive for especially when cycles are over 35. Then they lock people down and reduce the cycle rate and say wow look at how lockdowns have reduced cases bla bla bla. Out of interest and to add clarity, what’s your background? What do you do as a day job? " I'm a engineer in the motorsport industry. Not that it makes a difference this is all factual information that's just hidden under documents on the government website with names like S1182-SPI-M-1274947 etc so people dont find it without great hassle. It's there though. | |||
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"How then, oh amazing genius, should deaths have been counted? It's been very clear what the death counts mean, if people misinterpret them, that's not the data's fault. Deaths were counted of anyone with a positive test regardless of actual cause. I have videos of the health ministers stating that not all deaths counted would have been infected people because the numbers include anyone with covid 19 on death certificate. This does not mean their cause of death was covid. PCR cannot differentiate between bacterial infections, cold, flu. There is also a study by DR Reiner Fuellmich where he tested 1500 covid samples and found influenza a or b on EVERY ONE, no covid. SARS-CoV-2 is a virus that we normally expect seasonally, covid is a disease that MAY be caused by SARS-CoV-2 but this has never been proven to exist it is the covid disease they have lied about. You have videos. Got a pro here... Like I said, if people misinterpret the death stats, that's not the stats fault. Just because "Deaths within 28 days of a positive" and "Deaths with Covid on the death certificate" don't literally mean "Died of Covid" - because of course, for example, Covid critically weakened many people to the point where they literally died of Pneumonia... so Covid shouldn't be counted there? I asked how they should actually be counted given the significant ambiguities and subtleties around these complex issues. around it. You didn't answer. With further testing to ensure that person actually had covid would be a good start, instead of the result of a PCR test which is not a diagnostic tool. States it should not be used as sole basis for patient management decisions. Yet they used the results of PCR tests to dictate what happens with a whole population of people using cases as the warrant for it. Nothing complex about it a positive PCR test is supposed to be accompanied by further testing to define the reason for a positive result." Yes, the Gov has stated numbers were 30% over-estimated, I would guess 50% plus. It's a ghastly disease for some, but it isn't the plague. | |||
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"How then, oh amazing genius, should deaths have been counted? It's been very clear what the death counts mean, if people misinterpret them, that's not the data's fault. Deaths were counted of anyone with a positive test regardless of actual cause. I have videos of the health ministers stating that not all deaths counted would have been infected people because the numbers include anyone with covid 19 on death certificate. This does not mean their cause of death was covid. PCR cannot differentiate between bacterial infections, cold, flu. There is also a study by DR Reiner Fuellmich where he tested 1500 covid samples and found influenza a or b on EVERY ONE, no covid. SARS-CoV-2 is a virus that we normally expect seasonally, covid is a disease that MAY be caused by SARS-CoV-2 but this has never been proven to exist it is the covid disease they have lied about. You have videos. Got a pro here... Like I said, if people misinterpret the death stats, that's not the stats fault. Just because "Deaths within 28 days of a positive" and "Deaths with Covid on the death certificate" don't literally mean "Died of Covid" - because of course, for example, Covid critically weakened many people to the point where they literally died of Pneumonia... so Covid shouldn't be counted there? I asked how they should actually be counted given the significant ambiguities and subtleties around these complex issues. around it. You didn't answer. With further testing to ensure that person actually had covid would be a good start, instead of the result of a PCR test which is not a diagnostic tool. States it should not be used as sole basis for patient management decisions. Yet they used the results of PCR tests to dictate what happens with a whole population of people using cases as the warrant for it. Nothing complex about it a positive PCR test is supposed to be accompanied by further testing to define the reason for a positive result. Yes, the Gov has stated numbers were 30% over-estimated, I would guess 50% plus. It's a ghastly disease for some, but it isn't the plague. " All viruses in history affect elderly and vulnerable, its laughable how many are virtuous about this now, not realising that when shopping with a cold or flu before 2020 may have also spread to an elderly or vulnerable that unfortunately did not have immune capabilities to over come and died. It's always been the cases it's a part of life they have just used that fact to scare people into changing how they live their lives. The masks do nothing as they told us in april 2020 last year before they changed the many years of science around it. | |||
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"How then, oh amazing genius, should deaths have been counted? It's been very clear what the death counts mean, if people misinterpret them, that's not the data's fault. Deaths were counted of anyone with a positive test regardless of actual cause. I have videos of the health ministers stating that not all deaths counted would have been infected people because the numbers include anyone with covid 19 on death certificate. This does not mean their cause of death was covid. PCR cannot differentiate between bacterial infections, cold, flu. There is also a study by DR Reiner Fuellmich where he tested 1500 covid samples and found influenza a or b on EVERY ONE, no covid. SARS-CoV-2 is a virus that we normally expect seasonally, covid is a disease that MAY be caused by SARS-CoV-2 but this has never been proven to exist it is the covid disease they have lied about. You have videos. Got a pro here... Like I said, if people misinterpret the death stats, that's not the stats fault. Just because "Deaths within 28 days of a positive" and "Deaths with Covid on the death certificate" don't literally mean "Died of Covid" - because of course, for example, Covid critically weakened many people to the point where they literally died of Pneumonia... so Covid shouldn't be counted there? I asked how they should actually be counted given the significant ambiguities and subtleties around these complex issues. around it. You didn't answer. With further testing to ensure that person actually had covid would be a good start, instead of the result of a PCR test which is not a diagnostic tool. States it should not be used as sole basis for patient management decisions. Yet they used the results of PCR tests to dictate what happens with a whole population of people using cases as the warrant for it. Nothing complex about it a positive PCR test is supposed to be accompanied by further testing to define the reason for a positive result. Yes, the Gov has stated numbers were 30% over-estimated, I would guess 50% plus. It's a ghastly disease for some, but it isn't the plague. All viruses in history affect elderly and vulnerable, its laughable how many are virtuous about this now, not realising that when shopping with a cold or flu before 2020 may have also spread to an elderly or vulnerable that unfortunately did not have immune capabilities to over come and died. It's always been the cases it's a part of life they have just used that fact to scare people into changing how they live their lives. The masks do nothing as they told us in april 2020 last year before they changed the many years of science around it. " Risk - Established 2020. | |||
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"How then, oh amazing genius, should deaths have been counted? It's been very clear what the death counts mean, if people misinterpret them, that's not the data's fault. Deaths were counted of anyone with a positive test regardless of actual cause. I have videos of the health ministers stating that not all deaths counted would have been infected people because the numbers include anyone with covid 19 on death certificate. This does not mean their cause of death was covid. PCR cannot differentiate between bacterial infections, cold, flu. There is also a study by DR Reiner Fuellmich where he tested 1500 covid samples and found influenza a or b on EVERY ONE, no covid. SARS-CoV-2 is a virus that we normally expect seasonally, covid is a disease that MAY be caused by SARS-CoV-2 but this has never been proven to exist it is the covid disease they have lied about. You have videos. Got a pro here... Like I said, if people misinterpret the death stats, that's not the stats fault. Just because "Deaths within 28 days of a positive" and "Deaths with Covid on the death certificate" don't literally mean "Died of Covid" - because of course, for example, Covid critically weakened many people to the point where they literally died of Pneumonia... so Covid shouldn't be counted there? I asked how they should actually be counted given the significant ambiguities and subtleties around these complex issues. around it. You didn't answer. With further testing to ensure that person actually had covid would be a good start, instead of the result of a PCR test which is not a diagnostic tool. States it should not be used as sole basis for patient management decisions. Yet they used the results of PCR tests to dictate what happens with a whole population of people using cases as the warrant for it. Nothing complex about it a positive PCR test is supposed to be accompanied by further testing to define the reason for a positive result. Yes, the Gov has stated numbers were 30% over-estimated, I would guess 50% plus. It's a ghastly disease for some, but it isn't the plague. All viruses in history affect elderly and vulnerable, its laughable how many are virtuous about this now, not realising that when shopping with a cold or flu before 2020 may have also spread to an elderly or vulnerable that unfortunately did not have immune capabilities to over come and died. It's always been the cases it's a part of life they have just used that fact to scare people into changing how they live their lives. The masks do nothing as they told us in april 2020 last year before they changed the many years of science around it. Risk - Established 2020." https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/spi-m-o-summary-of-further-modelling-of-easing-restrictions-roadmap-step-2-31-march-2021 Page 10 for how the government know that those who have had both jabs will dominate hospitalisations during the next flu season. Surely it would be the non vaccinated right.. think again. | |||
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"Interesting but you need to read page 18 for context... “This shows that most deaths and admissions in a post-Roadmap resurgence are in people who have received two vaccine doses, even without vaccine protection waning or a variant emerging that escapes vaccines. This is because vaccine uptake has been so high in the oldest age groups (modelled here at 95% in the over 50-year olds). There are therefore 5% of over 50-year olds who have not been vaccinated, and 95% x 10% = 9.5% of over 50-year olds who are vaccinated but, nevertheless, not protected against death. This is not the result of vaccines being ineffective, merely uptake being so high.“" If I was taking something experimental and not properly approved I'd wanna make sure theres zero risk, seems as though the vaccine doesn't give that so why take it? All that proves is why they arent counting vaccine deaths in the same way they have covid deaths, because they know people die and will give high numbers. | |||
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" It's not hard to get 60,000 positive PCR tests a day when cycle rates are above 35 cycles, false positives are 1 in 3 when you cycle over 35 they ran PCR at 42 - 45 amplification cycles, this will give a huge number of false positives, same reason the test was so invasive, getting right up in your nose where bacteria sits that a PCR test will flag positive for especially when cycles are over 35. Then they lock people down and reduce the cycle rate and say wow look at how lockdowns have reduced cases bla bla bla. Out of interest and to add clarity, what’s your background? What do you do as a day job? I'm a engineer in the motorsport industry. Not that it makes a difference this is all factual information that's just hidden under documents on the government website with names like S1182-SPI-M-1274947 etc so people dont find it without great hassle. It's there though." It makes a world of difference, you don’t treat patients, work in the reality or indeed see the failings in reporting that try to make sense of a ridiculously complex set of figures and circumstances. Anyone working in those environments would as I am doing now just read your statements with the view this guys is applying a minuscule knowledge without seeing anything in context and failing to understand the reality. I know fuck all about engine performance for high performance racing cars, I wouldn’t go on google and then start telling you my knowledge is better than yours and I suspect if I did you’d rightly laugh in my face. Your conclusions are ridiculous to be frank, I’m sure you're a very clever guy but on this subject you’ve got no idea, sorry. As I said before you’re talking about a hugely emotive subject for a huge number of people across this country who have lost loved ones. You should be a bit more careful with the knowledge gained from a 5 minute googled education. | |||
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" It's not hard to get 60,000 positive PCR tests a day when cycle rates are above 35 cycles, false positives are 1 in 3 when you cycle over 35 they ran PCR at 42 - 45 amplification cycles, this will give a huge number of false positives, same reason the test was so invasive, getting right up in your nose where bacteria sits that a PCR test will flag positive for especially when cycles are over 35. Then they lock people down and reduce the cycle rate and say wow look at how lockdowns have reduced cases bla bla bla. Out of interest and to add clarity, what’s your background? What do you do as a day job? I'm a engineer in the motorsport industry. Not that it makes a difference this is all factual information that's just hidden under documents on the government website with names like S1182-SPI-M-1274947 etc so people dont find it without great hassle. It's there though. It makes a world of difference, you don’t treat patients, work in the reality or indeed see the failings in reporting that try to make sense of a ridiculously complex set of figures and circumstances. Anyone working in those environments would as I am doing now just read your statements with the view this guys is applying a minuscule knowledge without seeing anything in context and failing to understand the reality. I know fuck all about engine performance for high performance racing cars, I wouldn’t go on google and then start telling you my knowledge is better than yours and I suspect if I did you’d rightly laugh in my face. Your conclusions are ridiculous to be frank, I’m sure you're a very clever guy but on this subject you’ve got no idea, sorry. As I said before you’re talking about a hugely emotive subject for a huge number of people across this country who have lost loved ones. You should be a bit more careful with the knowledge gained from a 5 minute googled education. " I've been looking into this since April last year. It's not 5 minutes, I have no social media and dont spend my time watching tiktok videos, I dedicate my time to looking into the falsified policys that are surrounding our lives. The physiological & economic damage that had been done was not necessary, but has been purposely done to implement an agenda and shape a new way of living life, new normal, great reset, 4th industrial revolution etc. And all the people behind this are also behind these agendas. It has clearly been over exaggerated massively, I see nothing more than a normal flu season merged into a pandemic using over counted deaths and cases. It all fits too well for it to just be coincidental. I have alot of a clue, trust me. You just have to unlearn alot about life to understand it because nothing in this life is legit especially what comes from MSM. Government have just signed a contract for 320 million for advertising covid and vaccines until April 2021, no MSM companies are going to go against it with injections of cash like that. There are enough professionals talking about this they are just blocked and removed for doing so even though they have the medical profession to back it. Sorry but it's not a pandemic and we didnt need to endure everything we have over the last 15 months. | |||
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" It's not hard to get 60,000 positive PCR tests a day when cycle rates are above 35 cycles, false positives are 1 in 3 when you cycle over 35 they ran PCR at 42 - 45 amplification cycles, this will give a huge number of false positives, same reason the test was so invasive, getting right up in your nose where bacteria sits that a PCR test will flag positive for especially when cycles are over 35. Then they lock people down and reduce the cycle rate and say wow look at how lockdowns have reduced cases bla bla bla. Out of interest and to add clarity, what’s your background? What do you do as a day job? I'm a engineer in the motorsport industry. Not that it makes a difference this is all factual information that's just hidden under documents on the government website with names like S1182-SPI-M-1274947 etc so people dont find it without great hassle. It's there though. It makes a world of difference, you don’t treat patients, work in the reality or indeed see the failings in reporting that try to make sense of a ridiculously complex set of figures and circumstances. Anyone working in those environments would as I am doing now just read your statements with the view this guys is applying a minuscule knowledge without seeing anything in context and failing to understand the reality. I know fuck all about engine performance for high performance racing cars, I wouldn’t go on google and then start telling you my knowledge is better than yours and I suspect if I did you’d rightly laugh in my face. Your conclusions are ridiculous to be frank, I’m sure you're a very clever guy but on this subject you’ve got no idea, sorry. As I said before you’re talking about a hugely emotive subject for a huge number of people across this country who have lost loved ones. You should be a bit more careful with the knowledge gained from a 5 minute googled education. I've been looking into this since April last year. It's not 5 minutes, I have no social media and dont spend my time watching tiktok videos, I dedicate my time to looking into the falsified policys that are surrounding our lives. The physiological & economic damage that had been done was not necessary, but has been purposely done to implement an agenda and shape a new way of living life, new normal, great reset, 4th industrial revolution etc. And all the people behind this are also behind these agendas. It has clearly been over exaggerated massively, I see nothing more than a normal flu season merged into a pandemic using over counted deaths and cases. It all fits too well for it to just be coincidental. I have alot of a clue, trust me. You just have to unlearn alot about life to understand it because nothing in this life is legit especially what comes from MSM. Government have just signed a contract for 320 million for advertising covid and vaccines until April 2021, no MSM companies are going to go against it with injections of cash like that. There are enough professionals talking about this they are just blocked and removed for doing so even though they have the medical profession to back it. Sorry but it's not a pandemic and we didnt need to endure everything we have over the last 15 months." Plus I'm not talking to any virology professionals here so your comment about my profession doesn't stand. I would love to have a conversation with government 'experts' over this, many questions to be answered. | |||
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"Interesting but you need to read page 18 for context... “This shows that most deaths and admissions in a post-Roadmap resurgence are in people who have received two vaccine doses, even without vaccine protection waning or a variant emerging that escapes vaccines. This is because vaccine uptake has been so high in the oldest age groups (modelled here at 95% in the over 50-year olds). There are therefore 5% of over 50-year olds who have not been vaccinated, and 95% x 10% = 9.5% of over 50-year olds who are vaccinated but, nevertheless, not protected against death. This is not the result of vaccines being ineffective, merely uptake being so high.“" Come on now, you don't seriously expect people to put things in context and pay attention to the bits they don't want to read do you? Tsk! | |||
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"Interesting but you need to read page 18 for context... “This shows that most deaths and admissions in a post-Roadmap resurgence are in people who have received two vaccine doses, even without vaccine protection waning or a variant emerging that escapes vaccines. This is because vaccine uptake has been so high in the oldest age groups (modelled here at 95% in the over 50-year olds). There are therefore 5% of over 50-year olds who have not been vaccinated, and 95% x 10% = 9.5% of over 50-year olds who are vaccinated but, nevertheless, not protected against death. This is not the result of vaccines being ineffective, merely uptake being so high.“ Come on now, you don't seriously expect people to put things in context and pay attention to the bits they don't want to read do you? Tsk!" What a weird place to see such high levels of acquiescence on this subject, we meet people and get intimate on a regular basis and yet none of us get Ill and die from it, it is no different now than it was before except they spent millions on a fear campaign to make people believe this is now the case. | |||
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" It's not hard to get 60,000 positive PCR tests a day when cycle rates are above 35 cycles, false positives are 1 in 3 when you cycle over 35 they ran PCR at 42 - 45 amplification cycles, this will give a huge number of false positives, same reason the test was so invasive, getting right up in your nose where bacteria sits that a PCR test will flag positive for especially when cycles are over 35. Then they lock people down and reduce the cycle rate and say wow look at how lockdowns have reduced cases bla bla bla. Out of interest and to add clarity, what’s your background? What do you do as a day job? I'm a engineer in the motorsport industry. Not that it makes a difference this is all factual information that's just hidden under documents on the government website with names like S1182-SPI-M-1274947 etc so people dont find it without great hassle. It's there though. It makes a world of difference, you don’t treat patients, work in the reality or indeed see the failings in reporting that try to make sense of a ridiculously complex set of figures and circumstances. Anyone working in those environments would as I am doing now just read your statements with the view this guys is applying a minuscule knowledge without seeing anything in context and failing to understand the reality. I know fuck all about engine performance for high performance racing cars, I wouldn’t go on google and then start telling you my knowledge is better than yours and I suspect if I did you’d rightly laugh in my face. Your conclusions are ridiculous to be frank, I’m sure you're a very clever guy but on this subject you’ve got no idea, sorry. As I said before you’re talking about a hugely emotive subject for a huge number of people across this country who have lost loved ones. You should be a bit more careful with the knowledge gained from a 5 minute googled education. " As a person who worked in a different kind of front line: We have 50 staff who work side by side with hundreds of customers coming and going through our doors every single day. We don't enforce or bully them for not wearing masks because we are forced to wear them and it's bad enough. We understand what it's like to struggle to get a breath. Most of our customers are regulars. We are near a hospital so a lot of them are vulnerable and potentially contagious. In last 15 months 3 staff tested positive. All 3 had a mild headache and breaf loss of taste and smell. They were 100% within 5 days and back to work after a week. Not one staff member, nor not one of their family member have been seriously ill nor died. What we see on TV doesn't exactly resemble reality. Life goes on, people need to work and eat and be outside more. Yes, hospitals aren't doing great and are under pressure - that has always been the case. Also as a person who works for NHS (whatever you do for them - fair play to you, as I could never surround myself with ill people day in day out) - that said your reality is different from actual reality as for every single ill person you're looking after there's a 100 healthy ones who are making many sacrifices and it's not unreasonable for them to question the system as well as their own surroundings. | |||
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" It's not hard to get 60,000 positive PCR tests a day when cycle rates are above 35 cycles, false positives are 1 in 3 when you cycle over 35 they ran PCR at 42 - 45 amplification cycles, this will give a huge number of false positives, same reason the test was so invasive, getting right up in your nose where bacteria sits that a PCR test will flag positive for especially when cycles are over 35. Then they lock people down and reduce the cycle rate and say wow look at how lockdowns have reduced cases bla bla bla. Out of interest and to add clarity, what’s your background? What do you do as a day job? I'm a engineer in the motorsport industry. Not that it makes a difference this is all factual information that's just hidden under documents on the government website with names like S1182-SPI-M-1274947 etc so people dont find it without great hassle. It's there though. It makes a world of difference, you don’t treat patients, work in the reality or indeed see the failings in reporting that try to make sense of a ridiculously complex set of figures and circumstances. Anyone working in those environments would as I am doing now just read your statements with the view this guys is applying a minuscule knowledge without seeing anything in context and failing to understand the reality. I know fuck all about engine performance for high performance racing cars, I wouldn’t go on google and then start telling you my knowledge is better than yours and I suspect if I did you’d rightly laugh in my face. Your conclusions are ridiculous to be frank, I’m sure you're a very clever guy but on this subject you’ve got no idea, sorry. As I said before you’re talking about a hugely emotive subject for a huge number of people across this country who have lost loved ones. You should be a bit more careful with the knowledge gained from a 5 minute googled education. As a person who worked in a different kind of front line: We have 50 staff who work side by side with hundreds of customers coming and going through our doors every single day. We don't enforce or bully them for not wearing masks because we are forced to wear them and it's bad enough. We understand what it's like to struggle to get a breath. Most of our customers are regulars. We are near a hospital so a lot of them are vulnerable and potentially contagious. In last 15 months 3 staff tested positive. All 3 had a mild headache and breaf loss of taste and smell. They were 100% within 5 days and back to work after a week. Not one staff member, nor not one of their family member have been seriously ill nor died. What we see on TV doesn't exactly resemble reality. Life goes on, people need to work and eat and be outside more. Yes, hospitals aren't doing great and are under pressure - that has always been the case. Also as a person who works for NHS (whatever you do for them - fair play to you, as I could never surround myself with ill people day in day out) - that said your reality is different from actual reality as for every single ill person you're looking after there's a 100 healthy ones who are making many sacrifices and it's not unreasonable for them to question the system as well as their own surroundings. " This.. I have seen 4 people test positive at my work not a single one had ANY illness the whole 2 weeks of their quarantine and not a single other person got ill either. You lot need to put things into context and then think about the damage done by lockdowns & propaganda. Especially with the current headlines about those not taking the vaccine. | |||
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" It's not hard to get 60,000 positive PCR tests a day when cycle rates are above 35 cycles, false positives are 1 in 3 when you cycle over 35 they ran PCR at 42 - 45 amplification cycles, this will give a huge number of false positives, same reason the test was so invasive, getting right up in your nose where bacteria sits that a PCR test will flag positive for especially when cycles are over 35. Then they lock people down and reduce the cycle rate and say wow look at how lockdowns have reduced cases bla bla bla. Out of interest and to add clarity, what’s your background? What do you do as a day job? I'm a engineer in the motorsport industry. Not that it makes a difference this is all factual information that's just hidden under documents on the government website with names like S1182-SPI-M-1274947 etc so people dont find it without great hassle. It's there though. It makes a world of difference, you don’t treat patients, work in the reality or indeed see the failings in reporting that try to make sense of a ridiculously complex set of figures and circumstances. Anyone working in those environments would as I am doing now just read your statements with the view this guys is applying a minuscule knowledge without seeing anything in context and failing to understand the reality. I know fuck all about engine performance for high performance racing cars, I wouldn’t go on google and then start telling you my knowledge is better than yours and I suspect if I did you’d rightly laugh in my face. Your conclusions are ridiculous to be frank, I’m sure you're a very clever guy but on this subject you’ve got no idea, sorry. As I said before you’re talking about a hugely emotive subject for a huge number of people across this country who have lost loved ones. You should be a bit more careful with the knowledge gained from a 5 minute googled education. I've been looking into this since April last year. It's not 5 minutes, I have no social media and dont spend my time watching tiktok videos, I dedicate my time to looking into the falsified policys that are surrounding our lives. The physiological & economic damage that had been done was not necessary, but has been purposely done to implement an agenda and shape a new way of living life, new normal, great reset, 4th industrial revolution etc. And all the people behind this are also behind these agendas. It has clearly been over exaggerated massively, I see nothing more than a normal flu season merged into a pandemic using over counted deaths and cases. It all fits too well for it to just be coincidental. I have alot of a clue, trust me. You just have to unlearn alot about life to understand it because nothing in this life is legit especially what comes from MSM. Government have just signed a contract for 320 million for advertising covid and vaccines until April 2021, no MSM companies are going to go against it with injections of cash like that. There are enough professionals talking about this they are just blocked and removed for doing so even though they have the medical profession to back it. Sorry but it's not a pandemic and we didnt need to endure everything we have over the last 15 months." Sorry but here’s a few obvious things you fail to comprehend because as I say... you have a tiny piece of knowledge. You quote testing accuracy... this has fluctuated throughout the pandemic, you’ve used accuracy scales above based on estimations developed to look into ‘use within the population’, you fail to account for the dramatic increase in accuracy of testing within a clinical setting which actually generates almost all of the statistics you quote. You talk about the infamous “within 28 days” yet you fail to investigate how many of those deaths occur within a medical or care facility where actually testing and monitoring gives us a massively accurate knowledge of cause of death. You also presumably because of your bias ask no questions or indeed do any research into “over 28 days”, perhaps you don’t realise that a huge number of people take weeks to die from the damage inflicted by covid-19 even though the original infection is gone... perhaps those numbers are just a bit inconvenient to your flawed argument? Do you not also think a glimpse into the survivors conditions is also prudent when considering this grand picture... over 400,000 taken off ventilation needing serious therapy to restore even the basics of speech and movement, we still have no idea if or how many of these people will make full recoveries. Long covid? Over 1 million people as confirmed sufferers, all being monitored, treated but with knowledge of what the future will hold currently. You are drawing conclusions with such a ridiculous bias, you are ignoring huge factors that need to be considered... I might as well be telling you your car performed shit in a race whilst conveniently ignoring that fact it was racing in 60mph headwinds. I’m glad you feel you’re a large enough authority to tell people their wrong but sorry, you don’t actually anywhere near the amount of knowledge or critical thinking to do that with any real worth. | |||
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"Interesting but you need to read page 18 for context... “This shows that most deaths and admissions in a post-Roadmap resurgence are in people who have received two vaccine doses, even without vaccine protection waning or a variant emerging that escapes vaccines. This is because vaccine uptake has been so high in the oldest age groups (modelled here at 95% in the over 50-year olds). There are therefore 5% of over 50-year olds who have not been vaccinated, and 95% x 10% = 9.5% of over 50-year olds who are vaccinated but, nevertheless, not protected against death. This is not the result of vaccines being ineffective, merely uptake being so high.“ If I was taking something experimental and not properly approved I'd wanna make sure theres zero risk, seems as though the vaccine doesn't give that so why take it? All that proves is why they arent counting vaccine deaths in the same way they have covid deaths, because they know people die and will give high numbers." Onviously u have youe views and opinions...but tbh bud,your FOS....nothing is 100% safe....i had no issue getting my jabs...and id do it again without any issue....ive worked through out this pandemic(i wasnt furloughed or worked from home)....my wife is a nhs staff member so ive seen 1st hand from her how the past yr has been so scarily different with hospitals overflowing to the point there were sick folk outside in ambulances cause hospitals were beyond bunged with covid 19 sick folk.. U do realise that there are pictures of ppl wearing face coverings during the spanish flu pandemic so face coverings arent a new things....it is still MANDATORY in the UK to wear a face covering in alot of places....what wrong with doing your part and respect your fellow human and give them there space as advised by experts the world over.... There will always be the sceptics and so on in life.... Why dont u ask an expert there 1st hand opinion like an ENT specialist or anyone whos worked in hospitals...its no joke! Do your part folks...get your jabs and keep your wits about you...and ignore the covidiots Btw...ive had my jabs mate...im good with that ill carry on the way i have been....doing my part and get on with life as best as possible during these scary times and keep my family as safe as possible  | |||
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"As a person who worked in a different kind of front line: We have 50 staff who work side by side with hundreds of customers coming and going through our doors every single day. We don't enforce or bully them for not wearing masks because we are forced to wear them and it's bad enough. We understand what it's like to struggle to get a breath. Most of our customers are regulars. We are near a hospital so a lot of them are vulnerable and potentially contagious. In last 15 months 3 staff tested positive. All 3 had a mild headache and breaf loss of taste and smell. They were 100% within 5 days and back to work after a week. Not one staff member, nor not one of their family member have been seriously ill nor died. What we see on TV doesn't exactly resemble reality. Life goes on, people need to work and eat and be outside more. Yes, hospitals aren't doing great and are under pressure - that has always been the case. Also as a person who works for NHS (whatever you do for them - fair play to you, as I could never surround myself with ill people day in day out) - that said your reality is different from actual reality as for every single ill person you're looking after there's a 100 healthy ones who are making many sacrifices and it's not unreasonable for them to question the system as well as their own surroundings. " If you read my posts on other threads you’ll see my view on what we should do is very liberal. I appreciate the sacrifices all have made, I am eager to see a return to normality occur as soon as possible, I and my colleagues have just as frustrating a time locked down post shift... I doubt our view is any different on that subject at all. What I do think is wrong though is people diminishing how serious this pandemic has been to many, more importantly how much worst it could have and potentially still could be. The rise of ‘experts’ with basically no view of the reality is both depressing to read and completely misleading to others... fabs virus forum has spouted some ridiculous crap over these months. We should all live our lives to the fullest we possibly can as soon as we can... I work on ICU and the numbers of people I’ve seen pass away over the last 16 months absolutely underlines that. But we shouldn’t do that in a blinkered fashion or ignore the inconvenient facts surrounding this pandemic we live in. That’s the only point I make x | |||
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"Question...if those people who refused to wear masks...not those who couldn't...should they be last in line for vaccine? No, vaccination is strategically delivered. We prioritise based in individuals risk, age etc.... for the benefit of all that should be stuck to. In some respects vaccinate a non mask wearing person earlier as their actions make them a greater risk for infection." I was thinking this. Surely its in their best interests and others to be offered the vaccine when its their turn. | |||
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"Oh god, so much brainwashing. They shouldn't have been doing the things they have been doing during this pandemic and all of it is to create panic and fear amongst society. I'm not gunna keep saying it, most of how this pandemic has been handled is wrong and nothing more than inflated numbers. End of story. Made people in care homes sign DNR forms, it's pure evil what's been going on but you dont see it. It's all lies and all to change society and enable mass surveillance, health passports etc. Last comment I'm making because nobody's mind will change on the matter so it's pointless, those of you who have had the jab I wish you all the best this coming winter. Love to you all regardless of opinion. Have a good day people. "“They”... one day I hope we can all understand who “they” are, because like the majority I’m fucked if I know who you refer to. If you’re talking figures, that’s my guys, the NHS... btw we hate Boris and Tories pretty much as standard so please don’t suggest we are working in cahoots with him. | |||
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"As a person who worked in a different kind of front line: We have 50 staff who work side by side with hundreds of customers coming and going through our doors every single day. We don't enforce or bully them for not wearing masks because we are forced to wear them and it's bad enough. We understand what it's like to struggle to get a breath. Most of our customers are regulars. We are near a hospital so a lot of them are vulnerable and potentially contagious. In last 15 months 3 staff tested positive. All 3 had a mild headache and breaf loss of taste and smell. They were 100% within 5 days and back to work after a week. Not one staff member, nor not one of their family member have been seriously ill nor died. What we see on TV doesn't exactly resemble reality. Life goes on, people need to work and eat and be outside more. Yes, hospitals aren't doing great and are under pressure - that has always been the case. Also as a person who works for NHS (whatever you do for them - fair play to you, as I could never surround myself with ill people day in day out) - that said your reality is different from actual reality as for every single ill person you're looking after there's a 100 healthy ones who are making many sacrifices and it's not unreasonable for them to question the system as well as their own surroundings. If you read my posts on other threads you’ll see my view on what we should do is very liberal. I appreciate the sacrifices all have made, I am eager to see a return to normality occur as soon as possible, I and my colleagues have just as frustrating a time locked down post shift... I doubt our view is any different on that subject at all. What I do think is wrong though is people diminishing how serious this pandemic has been to many, more importantly how much worst it could have and potentially still could be. The rise of ‘experts’ with basically no view of the reality is both depressing to read and completely misleading to others... fabs virus forum has spouted some ridiculous crap over these months. We should all live our lives to the fullest we possibly can as soon as we can... I work on ICU and the numbers of people I’ve seen pass away over the last 16 months absolutely underlines that. But we shouldn’t do that in a blinkered fashion or ignore the inconvenient facts surrounding this pandemic we live in. That’s the only point I make x Ill be grand this winter,thanks for the concern
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"As a person who worked in a different kind of front line: We have 50 staff who work side by side with hundreds of customers coming and going through our doors every single day. We don't enforce or bully them for not wearing masks because we are forced to wear them and it's bad enough. We understand what it's like to struggle to get a breath. Most of our customers are regulars. We are near a hospital so a lot of them are vulnerable and potentially contagious. In last 15 months 3 staff tested positive. All 3 had a mild headache and breaf loss of taste and smell. They were 100% within 5 days and back to work after a week. Not one staff member, nor not one of their family member have been seriously ill nor died. What we see on TV doesn't exactly resemble reality. Life goes on, people need to work and eat and be outside more. Yes, hospitals aren't doing great and are under pressure - that has always been the case. Also as a person who works for NHS (whatever you do for them - fair play to you, as I could never surround myself with ill people day in day out) - that said your reality is different from actual reality as for every single ill person you're looking after there's a 100 healthy ones who are making many sacrifices and it's not unreasonable for them to question the system as well as their own surroundings. If you read my posts on other threads you’ll see my view on what we should do is very liberal. I appreciate the sacrifices all have made, I am eager to see a return to normality occur as soon as possible, I and my colleagues have just as frustrating a time locked down post shift... I doubt our view is any different on that subject at all. What I do think is wrong though is people diminishing how serious this pandemic has been to many, more importantly how much worst it could have and potentially still could be. The rise of ‘experts’ with basically no view of the reality is both depressing to read and completely misleading to others... fabs virus forum has spouted some ridiculous crap over these months. We should all live our lives to the fullest we possibly can as soon as we can... I work on ICU and the numbers of people I’ve seen pass away over the last 16 months absolutely underlines that. But we shouldn’t do that in a blinkered fashion or ignore the inconvenient facts surrounding this pandemic we live in. That’s the only point I make x Ill be grand this winter,thanks for the concern
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"As a person who worked in a different kind of front line: We have 50 staff who work side by side with hundreds of customers coming and going through our doors every single day. We don't enforce or bully them for not wearing masks because we are forced to wear them and it's bad enough. We understand what it's like to struggle to get a breath. Most of our customers are regulars. We are near a hospital so a lot of them are vulnerable and potentially contagious. In last 15 months 3 staff tested positive. All 3 had a mild headache and breaf loss of taste and smell. They were 100% within 5 days and back to work after a week. Not one staff member, nor not one of their family member have been seriously ill nor died. What we see on TV doesn't exactly resemble reality. Life goes on, people need to work and eat and be outside more. Yes, hospitals aren't doing great and are under pressure - that has always been the case. Also as a person who works for NHS (whatever you do for them - fair play to you, as I could never surround myself with ill people day in day out) - that said your reality is different from actual reality as for every single ill person you're looking after there's a 100 healthy ones who are making many sacrifices and it's not unreasonable for them to question the system as well as their own surroundings. If you read my posts on other threads you’ll see my view on what we should do is very liberal. I appreciate the sacrifices all have made, I am eager to see a return to normality occur as soon as possible, I and my colleagues have just as frustrating a time locked down post shift... I doubt our view is any different on that subject at all. What I do think is wrong though is people diminishing how serious this pandemic has been to many, more importantly how much worst it could have and potentially still could be. The rise of ‘experts’ with basically no view of the reality is both depressing to read and completely misleading to others... fabs virus forum has spouted some ridiculous crap over these months. We should all live our lives to the fullest we possibly can as soon as we can... I work on ICU and the numbers of people I’ve seen pass away over the last 16 months absolutely underlines that. But we shouldn’t do that in a blinkered fashion or ignore the inconvenient facts surrounding this pandemic we live in. That’s the only point I make x " Those "experts" are rising equally from both sides. You don't have to have a degree in science nor medicine to spot discrepancies and down right basic lack of common sense. So you work in ICU - thats where people very sick people go. As I stated before - fair play to you for making a choice to surround yourself with people who are on their death bed, but vast majority of the population are surrounded by people who are healthy and aren't on their death bed. Your reality is very different from someone else's reality. If you were to spend a month in my shoes - you would know what I mean. All the best | |||
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"Those "experts" are rising equally from both sides. You don't have to have a degree in science nor medicine to spot discrepancies and down right basic lack of common sense. So you work in ICU - thats where people very sick people go. As I stated before - fair play to you for making a choice to surround yourself with people who are on their death bed, but vast majority of the population are surrounded by people who are healthy and aren't on their death bed. Your reality is very different from someone else's reality. If you were to spend a month in my shoes - you would know what I mean. All the best " I think for clarity “people on their death bed” again skews the reality and is both heavily biased and misleading. In ICU we lost 1 in 8 of our patients during the last lockdown, if you expand that to critical care they eventually lost 1 in 23. This notion that pah everyone who dies was doing so anyway is pure fiction. If we had of been overwhelmed we expected to lose 50%, our average patient age within department was 46 for males and 52 for females just for clarity. I’d like to hear what you think I would or indeed should see differently? Away from my hospital I live in a road with no hospitalisation, I’ve lost no close friends, family etc. I’ve had covid, I was back in work 14 days later with no lasting issues. I still understand that this pandemic was very serious though, I still see how dangerously close we came to disaster, I still know there’s a need for a certain level of caution. X | |||
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"I refuse to wear a mask for health reasons. And after doing my own research on the vaccines I won’t be having any of those either. Everyone has the right to decide on their own Body autonomy. " Fair enough but then countries...businesses....people...also have the right to refuse you entry | |||
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"Or more to the point, should those who have been offered but refused the FREE vaccination be offered thousands of pounds of medical care if they catch covid unless they are prepared to get their cheque books out. In the same sense then should those who smoke get any treatment when needed... Drug addicts? Obese related issues? Why should the NHS cover any of these issues when it’s all self inflicted. " | |||
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"I refuse to wear a mask for health reasons. And after doing my own research on the vaccines I won’t be having any of those either. Everyone has the right to decide on their own Body autonomy. Fair enough but then countries...businesses....people...also have the right to refuse you entry" No they don’t have no legal right to do that. That’s your opinion nothing more. | |||
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"I refuse to wear a mask for health reasons. And after doing my own research on the vaccines I won’t be having any of those either. Everyone has the right to decide on their own Body autonomy. Fair enough but then countries...businesses....people...also have the right to refuse you entry No they don’t have no legal right to do that. That’s your opinion nothing more. " Countries can set whatever laws they like. Businesses, hard to say. People - as far as I'm concerned my bodily autonomy also means I can meet, or not meet, who I want. | |||
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"I refuse to wear a mask for health reasons. And after doing my own research on the vaccines I won’t be having any of those either. Everyone has the right to decide on their own Body autonomy. Fair enough but then countries...businesses....people...also have the right to refuse you entry No they don’t have no legal right to do that. That’s your opinion nothing more. Countries can set whatever laws they like. Businesses, hard to say. People - as far as I'm concerned my bodily autonomy also means I can meet, or not meet, who I want." Yeah I I don’t intend meeting anyone that’s had a vaccine due to the risks from spike proteins. That Pfizer themselves have done a report on stating this. All this information is readily available if you take the time to look and don’t look to MSM to be reliably informed. | |||
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"I refuse to wear a mask for health reasons. And after doing my own research on the vaccines I won’t be having any of those either. Everyone has the right to decide on their own Body autonomy. Fair enough but then countries...businesses....people...also have the right to refuse you entry No they don’t have no legal right to do that. That’s your opinion nothing more. Countries can set whatever laws they like. Businesses, hard to say. People - as far as I'm concerned my bodily autonomy also means I can meet, or not meet, who I want. Yeah I I don’t intend meeting anyone that’s had a vaccine due to the risks from spike proteins. That Pfizer themselves have done a report on stating this. All this information is readily available if you take the time to look and don’t look to MSM to be reliably informed. " 
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Yeah I've read all about that fairy tale."It’s an actual Pfizer report. Don’t be so ignorant. I could post you a link to said report but I’ll get pulled up by the fab police. Do yourself a favour and read it. Its a fact! Not a fairly tale so go educate yourself before talking about what is and what isn’t a fairly tell. Smart ass | |||
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"I refuse to wear a mask for health reasons. And after doing my own research on the vaccines I won’t be having any of those either. Everyone has the right to decide on their own Body autonomy. Fair enough but then countries...businesses....people...also have the right to refuse you entry No they don’t have no legal right to do that. That’s your opinion nothing more. Countries can set whatever laws they like. Businesses, hard to say. People - as far as I'm concerned my bodily autonomy also means I can meet, or not meet, who I want. Yeah I I don’t intend meeting anyone that’s had a vaccine due to the risks from spike proteins. That Pfizer themselves have done a report on stating this. All this information is readily available if you take the time to look and don’t look to MSM to be reliably informed.
Yeah I've read all about that fairy tale.
It’s an actual Pfizer report. Don’t be so ignorant. I could post you a link to said report but I’ll get pulled up by the fab police. Do yourself a favour and read it. Its a fact! Not a fairly tale so go educate yourself before talking about what is and what isn’t a fairly tell. Smart ass
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"We don't Have to wear masks no more here. It's weird seeing everyone mask less." Where's this? | |||
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"I refuse to wear a mask for health reasons. And after doing my own research on the vaccines I won’t be having any of those either. Everyone has the right to decide on their own Body autonomy. Fair enough but then countries...businesses....people...also have the right to refuse you entry No they don’t have no legal right to do that. That’s your opinion nothing more. Countries can set whatever laws they like. Businesses, hard to say. People - as far as I'm concerned my bodily autonomy also means I can meet, or not meet, who I want. Yeah I I don’t intend meeting anyone that’s had a vaccine due to the risks from spike proteins. That Pfizer themselves have done a report on stating this. All this information is readily available if you take the time to look and don’t look to MSM to be reliably informed.
Yeah I've read all about that fairy tale.
It’s an actual Pfizer report. Don’t be so ignorant. I could post you a link to said report but I’ll get pulled up by the fab police. Do yourself a favour and read it. Its a fact! Not a fairly tale so go educate yourself before talking about what is and what isn’t a fairly tell. Smart ass
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"I refuse to wear a mask for health reasons. And after doing my own research on the vaccines I won’t be having any of those either. Everyone has the right to decide on their own Body autonomy. Fair enough but then countries...businesses....people...also have the right to refuse you entry No they don’t have no legal right to do that. That’s your opinion nothing more. Countries can set whatever laws they like. Businesses, hard to say. People - as far as I'm concerned my bodily autonomy also means I can meet, or not meet, who I want. Yeah I I don’t intend meeting anyone that’s had a vaccine due to the risks from spike proteins. That Pfizer themselves have done a report on stating this. All this information is readily available if you take the time to look and don’t look to MSM to be reliably informed.
Yeah I've read all about that fairy tale.
It’s an actual Pfizer report. Don’t be so ignorant. I could post you a link to said report but I’ll get pulled up by the fab police. Do yourself a favour and read it. Its a fact! Not a fairly tale so go educate yourself before talking about what is and what isn’t a fairly tell. Smart ass
I've done my research. I'm satisfied that it's nonsense "You clearly haven’t. You are worth lying or you don’t understand it but Pfizer disagree with you.. Search for this below. If you don’t understand it or don’t read it properlyaaas you must of done already to dismiss it? I can tell you which pages in particular to read but as you obviously do your research you can read it all and get back to me. I’d love to know how you see it as nonsense? Pfizer biotech analysis report | |||
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"I refuse to wear a mask for health reasons. And after doing my own research on the vaccines I won’t be having any of those either. Everyone has the right to decide on their own Body autonomy. Fair enough but then countries...businesses....people...also have the right to refuse you entry No they don’t have no legal right to do that. That’s your opinion nothing more. Countries can set whatever laws they like. Businesses, hard to say. People - as far as I'm concerned my bodily autonomy also means I can meet, or not meet, who I want. Yeah I I don’t intend meeting anyone that’s had a vaccine due to the risks from spike proteins. That Pfizer themselves have done a report on stating this. All this information is readily available if you take the time to look and don’t look to MSM to be reliably informed.
Yeah I've read all about that fairy tale.
It’s an actual Pfizer report. Don’t be so ignorant. I could post you a link to said report but I’ll get pulled up by the fab police. Do yourself a favour and read it. Its a fact! Not a fairly tale so go educate yourself before talking about what is and what isn’t a fairly tell. Smart ass
Can't you PM a froum Mod and ask them to read the link and make it public in the virus forums?
Pfizer biotech analysis report. Search for that maybe not google use duck duck go. It’s all there.
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"I refuse to wear a mask for health reasons. And after doing my own research on the vaccines I won’t be having any of those either. Everyone has the right to decide on their own Body autonomy. Fair enough but then countries...businesses....people...also have the right to refuse you entry No they don’t have no legal right to do that. That’s your opinion nothing more. Countries can set whatever laws they like. Businesses, hard to say. People - as far as I'm concerned my bodily autonomy also means I can meet, or not meet, who I want. Yeah I I don’t intend meeting anyone that’s had a vaccine due to the risks from spike proteins. That Pfizer themselves have done a report on stating this. All this information is readily available if you take the time to look and don’t look to MSM to be reliably informed.
Yeah I've read all about that fairy tale.
It’s an actual Pfizer report. Don’t be so ignorant. I could post you a link to said report but I’ll get pulled up by the fab police. Do yourself a favour and read it. Its a fact! Not a fairly tale so go educate yourself before talking about what is and what isn’t a fairly tell. Smart ass
I've done my research. I'm satisfied that it's nonsense
You clearly haven’t. You are worth lying or you don’t understand it but Pfizer disagree with you..
Search for this below. If you don’t understand it or don’t read it properlyaaas you must of done already to dismiss it? I can tell you which pages in particular to read but as you obviously do your research you can read it all and get back to me. I’d love to know how you see it as nonsense?
Pfizer biotech analysis report
"Genuinely - I can't find the thing that you refer to (or if I have I can't see the bit you refer to) - I'm not clear on site rules, but if permitted, could you forward me the link in a message? Genuine request, not gonn start an argument or message back or anything. Found the UK gov white paper, the US one and the reports from the CDC, Harvard et Al dismissing the shedding, but not the one you refer to. If it is against site rules to do the above, fair enough, no worries. Cheers! | |||
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"You clearly haven’t. You are worth lying or you don’t understand it but Pfizer disagree with you.. Search for this below. If you don’t understand it or don’t read it properlyaaas you must of done already to dismiss it? I can tell you which pages in particular to read but as you obviously do your research you can read it all and get back to me. I’d love to know how you see it as nonsense? Pfizer biotech analysis report "So, in addition to what I've already read about the history of shedding claims, the sheer biological implausibility of such a thing happening with the mRNA and adenovirus vectored vaccines, the fragility of mRNA, and the lack of evidence that spike protein in isolation causes harm, I've also come across the origin of this claim. The US (funny how the crank stories often trace back to the US) Pfizer document has a section dealing with risk mitigation *if* exposure occurred This was blown up by a herbal medicine practitioner, who, surprise! - is selling you the cure from the imaginary evil of dealing with those icky vaccinated people 
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"I refuse to wear a mask for health reasons. And after doing my own research on the vaccines I won’t be having any of those either. Everyone has the right to decide on their own Body autonomy. Fair enough but then countries...businesses....people...also have the right to refuse you entry No they don’t have no legal right to do that. That’s your opinion nothing more. Countries can set whatever laws they like. Businesses, hard to say. People - as far as I'm concerned my bodily autonomy also means I can meet, or not meet, who I want. Yeah I I don’t intend meeting anyone that’s had a vaccine due to the risks from spike proteins. That Pfizer themselves have done a report on stating this. All this information is readily available if you take the time to look and don’t look to MSM to be reliably informed.
Yeah I've read all about that fairy tale.
It’s an actual Pfizer report. Don’t be so ignorant. I could post you a link to said report but I’ll get pulled up by the fab police. Do yourself a favour and read it. Its a fact! Not a fairly tale so go educate yourself before talking about what is and what isn’t a fairly tell. Smart ass
I've done my research. I'm satisfied that it's nonsense
You clearly haven’t. You are worth lying or you don’t understand it but Pfizer disagree with you..
Search for this below. If you don’t understand it or don’t read it properlyaaas you must of done already to dismiss it? I can tell you which pages in particular to read but as you obviously do your research you can read it all and get back to me. I’d love to know how you see it as nonsense?
Pfizer biotech analysis report
Genuinely - I can't find the thing that you refer to (or if I have I can't see the bit you refer to) - I'm not clear on site rules, but if permitted, could you forward me the link in a message?
Genuine request, not gonn start an argument or message back or anything.
Found the UK gov white paper, the US one and the reports from the CDC, Harvard et Al dismissing the shedding, but not the one you refer to.
If it is against site rules to do the above, fair enough, no worries.
Cheers!"I’ll pm you a link to the report now. I may just post it as A it’s shouldn’t be something that gets me I trouble. B I can live with it if it does. https://media.tghn.org/medialibrary/2020/11/C4591001_Clinical_Protocol_Nov2020_Pfizer_BioNTech.pdf | |||
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" It's not hard to get 60,000 positive PCR tests a day when cycle rates are above 35 cycles, false positives are 1 in 3 when you cycle over 35 they ran PCR at 42 - 45 amplification cycles, this will give a huge number of false positives, same reason the test was so invasive, getting right up in your nose where bacteria sits that a PCR test will flag positive for especially when cycles are over 35. Then they lock people down and reduce the cycle rate and say wow look at how lockdowns have reduced cases bla bla bla. Out of interest and to add clarity, what’s your background? What do you do as a day job? I'm a engineer in the motorsport industry. Not that it makes a difference this is all factual information that's just hidden under documents on the government website with names like S1182-SPI-M-1274947 etc so people dont find it without great hassle. It's there though. It makes a world of difference, you don’t treat patients, work in the reality or indeed see the failings in reporting that try to make sense of a ridiculously complex set of figures and circumstances. Anyone working in those environments would as I am doing now just read your statements with the view this guys is applying a minuscule knowledge without seeing anything in context and failing to understand the reality. I know fuck all about engine performance for high performance racing cars, I wouldn’t go on google and then start telling you my knowledge is better than yours and I suspect if I did you’d rightly laugh in my face. Your conclusions are ridiculous to be frank, I’m sure you're a very clever guy but on this subject you’ve got no idea, sorry. As I said before you’re talking about a hugely emotive subject for a huge number of people across this country who have lost loved ones. You should be a bit more careful with the knowledge gained from a 5 minute googled education. I've been looking into this since April last year. It's not 5 minutes, I have no social media and dont spend my time watching tiktok videos, I dedicate my time to looking into the falsified policys that are surrounding our lives. The physiological & economic damage that had been done was not necessary, but has been purposely done to implement an agenda and shape a new way of living life, new normal, great reset, 4th industrial revolution etc. And all the people behind this are also behind these agendas. It has clearly been over exaggerated massively, I see nothing more than a normal flu season merged into a pandemic using over counted deaths and cases. It all fits too well for it to just be coincidental. I have alot of a clue, trust me. You just have to unlearn alot about life to understand it because nothing in this life is legit especially what comes from MSM. Government have just signed a contract for 320 million for advertising covid and vaccines until April 2021, no MSM companies are going to go against it with injections of cash like that. There are enough professionals talking about this they are just blocked and removed for doing so even though they have the medical profession to back it. Sorry but it's not a pandemic and we didnt need to endure everything we have over the last 15 months. Sorry but here’s a few obvious things you fail to comprehend because as I say... you have a tiny piece of knowledge. You quote testing accuracy... this has fluctuated throughout the pandemic, you’ve used accuracy scales above based on estimations developed to look into ‘use within the population’, you fail to account for the dramatic increase in accuracy of testing within a clinical setting which actually generates almost all of the statistics you quote. You talk about the infamous “within 28 days” yet you fail to investigate how many of those deaths occur within a medical or care facility where actually testing and monitoring gives us a massively accurate knowledge of cause of death. You also presumably because of your bias ask no questions or indeed do any research into “over 28 days”, perhaps you don’t realise that a huge number of people take weeks to die from the damage inflicted by covid-19 even though the original infection is gone... perhaps those numbers are just a bit inconvenient to your flawed argument? Do you not also think a glimpse into the survivors conditions is also prudent when considering this grand picture... over 400,000 taken off ventilation needing serious therapy to restore even the basics of speech and movement, we still have no idea if or how many of these people will make full recoveries. Long covid? Over 1 million people as confirmed sufferers, all being monitored, treated but with knowledge of what the future will hold currently. You are drawing conclusions with such a ridiculous bias, you are ignoring huge factors that need to be considered... I might as well be telling you your car performed shit in a race whilst conveniently ignoring that fact it was racing in 60mph headwinds. I’m glad you feel you’re a large enough authority to tell people their wrong but sorry, you don’t actually anywhere near the amount of knowledge or critical thinking to do that with any real worth. " Well said ! | |||
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"The Pfizer thing is either a) one of the fake ones, or b) totally misunderstood. Quote: "But what about that Pfizer document? Links to the clinical trial protocol document for phases 1, 2 and 3 of the Pfizer clinical trial are spreading on social media. There’s a lot of confusion about what the information in that document means. There are some fake versions floating around, so here is a link to the original document listed on Pfizer.com. A clinical trial protocol is a document that describes the rules for a clinical trial. All clinical trials must have a clinical trial protocol before they begin. The protocol outlines the goal of the study, explains how it’s designed and provides instructions for the health care providers conducting the study. On page 67 of this document, there’s a section titled “Regulatory Reporting Requirements for SAEs.” SAEs stands for Serious Adverse Events. In this section, the document lists events that should be reported, including various types of exposure. “Exposure” just means that someone somehow came in contact with the substance being studied. And “study intervention” refers to the vaccine itself – the medicine (intervention) being studied. This document is not discussing viral shedding, or even indicating that there’s a potential for viral shedding. It also is not actually reporting adverse events. It is just telling health care providers how to document and track various types of potential adverse events." From website: Nebraska Medicine Title: COVID-19 vaccines, irregular periods and spike protein shedding Date: April 24, 2021"  | |||
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"You lot should be livid about the amount of misdiagnosed people with severe illness their are now, 2 million people on NHS waiting lists, cancer patients not being seen heart disease patients not being seen. These people who's deaths would have been recorded as covid deaths. The fact they are testing this vaccine on children young as 6 months old baffles me, it is not necessary and completely inhumane, they are not susceptible to viruses and have no idea on the outcome of injecting them with a mRNA vaccine never before used in humans until now. Disgusting. The survival rate is way higher than that of previous Coronaviruses to circulate but yet we did nothing about them, we have agendas about what they want to do with humanity that suit this situation to a T but yet it's all a conspiracy to you. Its reality not a conspiracy, how much needs to become reality for it not to be a conspiracy anymore because so far it's all happened/happening and it's going to get worse. They are now using MSM to turn the vaccinated against the non in a high school peer pressure type way to gain more vaccine uptake. It's wrong. Were any of you informed of the trail phase your being entered into on injection? Or that it's only approved under emergency authorization? I doubt it. This is why they have to keep the pandemic going with 'variants' because as soon as the emergency has gone they are not allowed to administer this jab. They are currently telling india they have the UK variant. Cant make it up. " I bet you’re a right laugh when you’ve had a few drinks | |||
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"The Pfizer thing is either a) one of the fake ones, or b) totally misunderstood. Quote: "But what about that Pfizer document? Links to the clinical trial protocol document for phases 1, 2 and 3 of the Pfizer clinical trial are spreading on social media. There’s a lot of confusion about what the information in that document means. There are some fake versions floating around, so here is a link to the original document listed on Pfizer.com. A clinical trial protocol is a document that describes the rules for a clinical trial. All clinical trials must have a clinical trial protocol before they begin. The protocol outlines the goal of the study, explains how it’s designed and provides instructions for the health care providers conducting the study. On page 67 of this document, there’s a section titled “Regulatory Reporting Requirements for SAEs.” SAEs stands for Serious Adverse Events. In this section, the document lists events that should be reported, including various types of exposure. “Exposure” just means that someone somehow came in contact with the substance being studied. And “study intervention” refers to the vaccine itself – the medicine (intervention) being studied. This document is not discussing viral shedding, or even indicating that there’s a potential for viral shedding. It also is not actually reporting adverse events. It is just telling health care providers how to document and track various types of potential adverse events." From website: Nebraska Medicine Title: COVID-19 vaccines, irregular periods and spike protein shedding Date: April 24, 2021" I work in a very similar industry. You are correct that the document is a clinical trial protocol (also known as a study plan in my line of work). It will have been written according to GMP (good medical practice) and would have been reviewed by a quality assurance unit. The document is not a report. It is an outline of how the trial should be run and how the results would be handled. | |||
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"Question...if those people who refused to wear masks...not those who couldn't...should they be last in line for vaccine?" My doctors won't let you in fullstop without a mask (unless they have given exemption fourm) so don't think the no mask mingers will get jabs | |||
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"Or more to the point, should those who have been offered but refused the FREE vaccination be offered thousands of pounds of medical care if they catch covid unless they are prepared to get their cheque books out. " How about those who don't drink or smoke are not allowed NHS care, as it's mainly there taxes that fund it in the first place. | |||
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"Or more to the point, should those who have been offered but refused the FREE vaccination be offered thousands of pounds of medical care if they catch covid unless they are prepared to get their cheque books out. How about those who don't drink or smoke are not allowed NHS care, as it's mainly there taxes that fund it in the first place." How about we recognise that the NHS is for everyone for fucks sake | |||
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"Question...if those people who refused to wear masks...not those who couldn't...should they be last in line for vaccine? My doctors won't let you in fullstop without a mask (unless they have given exemption fourm) so don't think the no mask mingers will get jabs "Mingers???? | |||
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"Question...if those people who refused to wear masks...not those who couldn't...should they be last in line for vaccine?" Those of us who refuse to wear a mask don't actually want the jab, because we can see what's going on and the jab is experimental and will alter your DNA.. Good luck to all the guinea pigs. | |||
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"Question...if those people who refused to wear masks...not those who couldn't...should they be last in line for vaccine? Those of us who refuse to wear a mask don't actually want the jab, because we can see what's going on and the jab is experimental and will alter your DNA.. Good luck to all the guinea pigs." Please can you explain the mechanism by which DNA will be altered by any of the vaccines? Thanks a bunch | |||
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"I don't unusual get involved in these conversations, but the people who think the vaccine is a bad idea, what makes you smarter than the thousands of scientists who worked on it? I don't argue with the doctors, dentists or even the vets, why would I disagree with the virologist etc involved in the vaccine?? Just my thoughts on it." Yeah, I ask myself this a lot. I ask my doctor questions, but it's not like, are you sure you know about xyz? It's more, help me understand xyz so I can be a partner in my own health | |||
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"I don't unusual get involved in these conversations, but the people who think the vaccine is a bad idea, what makes you smarter than the thousands of scientists who worked on it? I don't argue with the doctors, dentists or even the vets, why would I disagree with the virologist etc involved in the vaccine?? Just my thoughts on it. Yeah, I ask myself this a lot. I ask my doctor questions, but it's not like, are you sure you know about xyz? It's more, help me understand xyz so I can be a partner in my own health" I do get there is some misleading information out there, but its a simple as... the vaccine is better than covid. To many people spreading false or misleading information. I will stick with what the entire scientific and medical community says. If I am wrong it's to late anyway. | |||
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"I don't unusual get involved in these conversations, but the people who think the vaccine is a bad idea, what makes you smarter than the thousands of scientists who worked on it? I don't argue with the doctors, dentists or even the vets, why would I disagree with the virologist etc involved in the vaccine?? Just my thoughts on it. Yeah, I ask myself this a lot. I ask my doctor questions, but it's not like, are you sure you know about xyz? It's more, help me understand xyz so I can be a partner in my own health I do get there is some misleading information out there, but its a simple as... the vaccine is better than covid. To many people spreading false or misleading information. I will stick with what the entire scientific and medical community says. If I am wrong it's to late anyway. " Oh that I definitely know. I went on a steep learning curve last year - but not because I thought or think I know better. Because I wanted to be informed and make the best choices for myself and others. (That learning curve almost exclusively involves virologists and epidemiologists) | |||
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"Question...if those people who refused to wear masks...not those who couldn't...should they be last in line for vaccine? Those of us who refuse to wear a mask don't actually want the jab, because we can see what's going on and the jab is experimental and will alter your DNA.. Good luck to all the guinea pigs. Please can you explain the mechanism by which DNA will be altered by any of the vaccines? Thanks a bunch "Research mRNA.. the answer is easy to find. mRNA is classed as gene therapy.. not a vaccine as we know it. It has been passed under the plandemic emergency.. all manufacturers are not liable for death or damages.. mRNA goes into the dna and can never be detoxed, it alters the immune system.. potentially shutting it off when attacked by anything another than the variant used during the manufacturing of the jab.. It is not a normal vaccine like the flu jab.. this has never been used on humans before and all who have received it are classed as genetically modified. It has never passed animal trials and is 100% experimental. It definitely has not been through the same tests and trials as other vaccines as they can take around 7 - 10 years to trial for side effects.. common sense would tell us that covid has only been around since last year and now they are already administering a vaccine? Government are leading us all up the garden path.. deception at its best! Mass genocide agenda happing right now and the victims are rolling up their sleeve.. | |||
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"Question...if those people who refused to wear masks...not those who couldn't...should they be last in line for vaccine? Those of us who refuse to wear a mask don't actually want the jab, because we can see what's going on and the jab is experimental and will alter your DNA.. Good luck to all the guinea pigs. Please can you explain the mechanism by which DNA will be altered by any of the vaccines? Thanks a bunch
Research mRNA.. the answer is easy to find.
mRNA is classed as gene therapy.. not a vaccine as we know it.
It has been passed under the plandemic emergency.. all manufacturers are not liable for death or damages.. mRNA goes into the dna and can never be detoxed, it alters the immune system.. potentially shutting it off when attacked by anything another than the variant used during the manufacturing of the jab..
It is not a normal vaccine like the flu jab.. this has never been used on humans before and all who have received it are classed as genetically modified.
It has never passed animal trials and is 100% experimental.
It definitely has not been through the same tests and trials as other vaccines as they can take around 7 - 10 years to trial for side effects.. common sense would tell us that covid has only been around since last year and now they are already administering a vaccine? Government are leading us all up the garden path.. deception at its best!
Mass genocide agenda happing right now and the victims are rolling up their sleeve..
"... Did you read the question that was asked? Because you didn't in any way, shape, or form answer it. | |||
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"Question...if those people who refused to wear masks...not those who couldn't...should they be last in line for vaccine? Those of us who refuse to wear a mask don't actually want the jab, because we can see what's going on and the jab is experimental and will alter your DNA.. Good luck to all the guinea pigs. Please can you explain the mechanism by which DNA will be altered by any of the vaccines? Thanks a bunch
Research mRNA.. the answer is easy to find.
mRNA is classed as gene therapy.. not a vaccine as we know it.
It has been passed under the plandemic emergency.. all manufacturers are not liable for death or damages.. mRNA goes into the dna and can never be detoxed, it alters the immune system.. potentially shutting it off when attacked by anything another than the variant used during the manufacturing of the jab..
It is not a normal vaccine like the flu jab.. this has never been used on humans before and all who have received it are classed as genetically modified.
It has never passed animal trials and is 100% experimental.
It definitely has not been through the same tests and trials as other vaccines as they can take around 7 - 10 years to trial for side effects.. common sense would tell us that covid has only been around since last year and now they are already administering a vaccine? Government are leading us all up the garden path.. deception at its best!
Mass genocide agenda happing right now and the victims are rolling up their sleeve..
"I'm perfectly well aware what mRNA is, thank you. What my scientific understanding seems to be lacking is any mechanism by which mRNA can edit one's genome. Obviously, as a scientist, I am keen to learn and so I would be grateful for your understanding of how such genome editing takes place. Please and thank you. | |||
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"Question...if those people who refused to wear masks...not those who couldn't...should they be last in line for vaccine?" Being that stupid they should be first. | |||
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"Question...if those people who refused to wear masks...not those who couldn't...should they be last in line for vaccine? Being that stupid they should be first. " Who are u 2 deem people stupid??? | |||
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"Question...if those people who refused to wear masks...not those who couldn't...should they be last in line for vaccine? Being that stupid they should be first. " I agree they should have gone first for everyone's safety, but not all of them are stupid just selfish | |||
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"Question...if those people who refused to wear masks...not those who couldn't...should they be last in line for vaccine? Being that stupid they should be first. Who are u 2 deem people stupid???" Why do you even ask that. The answer is those that don’t wear a mask to protect others or don’t you understand what the dynamics of wearing a mask does. I may have a right to be stupid and not wear a mask but you have to think of the others catching covid possibly from me not knowing I have it and them having a problem. | |||
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"Question...if those people who refused to wear masks...not those who couldn't...should they be last in line for vaccine? Those of us who refuse to wear a mask don't actually want the jab, because we can see what's going on and the jab is experimental and will alter your DNA.. Good luck to all the guinea pigs." why would you refuse to wear a mask.? I really struggle with how anyone can be that self centred.. And please understand that a vaccine can not change your DNA. | |||
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"Question...if those people who refused to wear masks...not those who couldn't...should they be last in line for vaccine?" Those who refuse to wear a mask will likely also refuse a vaccine, no? Tin foil hat brigade | |||
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"Question...if those people who refused to wear masks...not those who couldn't...should they be last in line for vaccine? Those who refuse to wear a mask will likely also refuse a vaccine, no? Tin foil hat brigade " no | |||
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"Question...if those people who refused to wear masks...not those who couldn't...should they be last in line for vaccine? Those who refuse to wear a mask will likely also refuse a vaccine, no? Tin foil hat brigade " Well in the US Hubby and I been vaccinated since February. No masks required if vaccinated. But we still get confrontations by people masked up. Trusted the science is my answer. I not wearing a muzzle anymore | |||
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"Question...if those people who refused to wear masks...not those who couldn't...should they be last in line for vaccine? Being that stupid they should be first. Who are u 2 deem people stupid??? Why do you even ask that. The answer is those that don’t wear a mask to protect others or don’t you understand what the dynamics of wearing a mask does. I may have a right to be stupid and not wear a mask but you have to think of the others catching covid possibly from me not knowing I have it and them having a problem. " First of I wear a mask! 8 he shifts in supermarket! Second I've had both my jabs! But I dont go calling them that dont want the jab stupid! X | |||
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"Sad world OP of we all think like that OP. " It was a question not a thought x | |||
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