FabSwingers.com forum: Unvaccinated

By *ady Lick OP Woman
over a year ago

Northampton Somewhere

Ok, so you're unvaccinated for whatever reason ~ you're anti, you've not been called, you're cautious.

For the cautious amongst us, and I know there's a few. With the Indian variant here are you more likely to have it now?

Simple question. No going off on a tangent now!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Ok, so you're unvaccinated for whatever reason ~ you're anti, you've not been called, you're cautious.

For the cautious amongst us, and I know there's a few. With the Indian variant here are you more likely to have it now?

Simple question. No going off on a tangent now! "

Yes

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By *ucka39Man
over a year ago

Newcastle

"Ok, so you're unvaccinated for whatever reason ~ you're anti, you've not been called, you're cautious.

For the cautious amongst us, and I know there's a few. With the Indian variant here are you more likely to have it now?

Simple question. No going off on a tangent now! "

I don't think it would make any difference, it's the number of deaths that should be looked at, and how it has decreased in number of deaths the figures speak for themselves

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Ok, so you're unvaccinated for whatever reason ~ you're anti, you've not been called, you're cautious.

For the cautious amongst us, and I know there's a few. With the Indian variant here are you more likely to have it now?

Simple question. No going off on a tangent now!

I don't think it would make any difference, it's the number of deaths that should be looked at, and how it has decreased in number of deaths the figures speak for themselves"

I'm sure that's a tangent haha. Problem with that strategy is it normally takes 3~4 weeks to see a substantial rise in no of fatalities. By that point infections that could lead to death are out of control. We should have learnt this in October

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By *hilloutMan
over a year ago

All over the place! Northwesr, , Southwest

No I won't. I've done my research and a risk analysis. COVID doesn't frighten me and in all likelihood would be from asymptomatic to moderate in someone my age who is healthy with no co-morbidities.

I'd rather go with that than chancing something untested, with no long term studies of safety or efficacy. I'm not a lab rat but automatically become one if I get it.

I've no issue with people getting the shots but tired of being called an anti vaxxer just because i'm showing prudence

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By *ntrepid ExplorersCouple
over a year ago

Birmingham

"No I won't. I've done my research and a risk analysis. COVID doesn't frighten me and in all likelihood would be from asymptomatic to moderate in someone my age who is healthy with no co-morbidities.

I'd rather go with that than chancing something untested, with no long term studies of safety or efficacy. I'm not a lab rat but automatically become one if I get it.

I've no issue with people getting the shots but tired of being called an anti vaxxer just because i'm showing prudence

Happy to just scrounge your health off of other people doing their moral duty. Ace.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Ok, so you're unvaccinated for whatever reason ~ you're anti, you've not been called, you're cautious.

For the cautious amongst us, and I know there's a few. With the Indian variant here are you more likely to have it now?

Simple question. No going off on a tangent now! "

Nope, it doesn’t make a difference for me.

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

It's not the same, but given the variant situation, I am being more cautious than I would have been post one jab. It might not hurt me if I catch it and spread it, but it might hurt others. I couldn't live with myself.

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By *hilloutMan
over a year ago

All over the place! Northwesr, , Southwest

"No I won't. I've done my research and a risk analysis. COVID doesn't frighten me and in all likelihood would be from asymptomatic to moderate in someone my age who is healthy with no co-morbidities.

I'd rather go with that than chancing something untested, with no long term studies of safety or efficacy. I'm not a lab rat but automatically become one if I get it.

I've no issue with people getting the shots but tired of being called an anti vaxxer just because i'm showing prudence

Happy to just scrounge your health off of other people doing their moral duty. Ace."

Textbook propaganda and attempted guilt shaming. Nice try

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"No I won't. I've done my research and a risk analysis. COVID doesn't frighten me and in all likelihood would be from asymptomatic to moderate in someone my age who is healthy with no co-morbidities.

I'd rather go with that than chancing something untested, with no long term studies of safety or efficacy. I'm not a lab rat but automatically become one if I get it.

I've no issue with people getting the shots but tired of being called an anti vaxxer just because i'm showing prudence

There's being prudent and there's being an idiot who reads too much social media crap!

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By *hatawasteMan
over a year ago

stafford

"Ok, so you're unvaccinated for whatever reason ~ you're anti, you've not been called, you're cautious.

For the cautious amongst us, and I know there's a few. With the Indian variant here are you more likely to have it now?

Simple question. No going off on a tangent now! "

It still think this is about other people and not infecting them not whether someone feels healthy and doesn't need it etc or not . So the same feeling applies as a year ago. I think everyone has a moral duty to do it when it is offered to them .. Arguably ( and we have had lots of those on here) it really selfish not doing that..

My thoughts only.

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By *hilloutMan
over a year ago

All over the place! Northwesr, , Southwest

"No I won't. I've done my research and a risk analysis. COVID doesn't frighten me and in all likelihood would be from asymptomatic to moderate in someone my age who is healthy with no co-morbidities.

I'd rather go with that than chancing something untested, with no long term studies of safety or efficacy. I'm not a lab rat but automatically become one if I get it.

I've no issue with people getting the shots but tired of being called an anti vaxxer just because i'm showing prudence

There's being prudent and there's being an idiot who reads too much social media crap!"

You know nothing about me. And why so aggressive?

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By *entGent75Man
over a year ago

Dartford

"Ok, so you're unvaccinated for whatever reason ~ you're anti, you've not been called, you're cautious.

For the cautious amongst us, and I know there's a few. With the Indian variant here are you more likely to have it now?

Simple question. No going off on a tangent now!

My thoughts only. "

I think your thoughts are sound.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"No I won't. I've done my research and a risk analysis. COVID doesn't frighten me and in all likelihood would be from asymptomatic to moderate in someone my age who is healthy with no co-morbidities.

I'd rather go with that than chancing something untested, with no long term studies of safety or efficacy. I'm not a lab rat but automatically become one if I get it.

I've no issue with people getting the shots but tired of being called an anti vaxxer just because i'm showing prudence

Happy to just scrounge your health off of other people doing their moral duty. Ace.

Textbook propaganda and attempted guilt shaming. Nice try

Can you explain which part of that statement is propaganda? It’s becoming quite clear that the vaccination program is working so I’m struggling to see why the criticism is “made up”, they are simply illustrating the point your choices fail to look beyond your own welfare?

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By *risky_MareWoman
over a year ago

...Up on the Downs

"No I won't. I've done my research and a risk analysis. COVID doesn't frighten me and in all likelihood would be from asymptomatic to moderate in someone my age who is healthy with no co-morbidities.

I'd rather go with that than chancing something untested, with no long term studies of safety or efficacy. I'm not a lab rat but automatically become one if I get it.

I've no issue with people getting the shots but tired of being called an anti vaxxer just because i'm showing prudence

Happy to just scrounge your health off of other people doing their moral duty. Ace.

Textbook propaganda and attempted guilt shaming. Nice try

Rude, aggressive and totally nonsensical with it. Classic.

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By *uckandbunnyCouple
over a year ago

In your bed

"Ok, so you're unvaccinated for whatever reason ~ you're anti, you've not been called, you're cautious.

For the cautious amongst us, and I know there's a few. With the Indian variant here are you more likely to have it now?

Simple question. No going off on a tangent now! "

I think for some you can throw all the science and maths you like around but it just does not have the same impact with everyone. For others they need that real world example of a friend, family member or neighbour to make it real.

That said the general take up has been pretty impressive, so if some choose not to then that is their choice. They can always reconsider at a later date if something changes their mind.

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By *orwegian BlueMan
over a year ago

Iceland, but Aldi is closer..

"No I won't. I've done my research and a risk analysis. COVID doesn't frighten me and in all likelihood would be from asymptomatic to moderate in someone my age who is healthy with no co-morbidities.

I'd rather go with that than chancing something untested, with no long term studies of safety or efficacy. I'm not a lab rat but automatically become one if I get it.

I've no issue with people getting the shots but tired of being called an anti vaxxer just because i'm showing prudence

I would have said the same last year about my risk of catching it and becoming unwell..

I took precautions, wearing a mask when in busy areas outdoors and always when in shops; keeping my distance and using hand sanitiser wherever available..

Unfortunately it isn't so simple, there are lots of unknowns at play that are still to be understood..

I was fit and healthy, no health problems at all.

I ended up in hospital and now have long covid.. those around me who also caught it, some older than me, some had no symptoms or had it very mild.

Im now part of a long covid study group, its scary some of the symptoms people have with long covid and even more scary is the number of people i see when i go for my check ups, far younger than me who also had no underlying health conditions and still end up with long-term problems..

Maybe you should re-analyse your view of the risks vs benefits and include the lesser reported detail of covid side effects against the far greater and possibly over sensationalised reports regarding the risks of having the injection.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"No I won't. I've done my research and a risk analysis. COVID doesn't frighten me and in all likelihood would be from asymptomatic to moderate in someone my age who is healthy with no co-morbidities.

I'd rather go with that than chancing something untested, with no long term studies of safety or efficacy. I'm not a lab rat but automatically become one if I get it.

I've no issue with people getting the shots but tired of being called an anti vaxxer just because i'm showing prudence

I'm the same,happy with the tools I have,and not happy about the tools they want to inject in me that I know nothing about.

This is one paragraph from a HMR.

Require the impact of Regulation 174 of the HMR to be formally reviewed within a year of any first use.

Regulation 174 is the existing mechanism which allows for the temporary authorisation of an unlicensed medicine or vaccine.

Unlicensed medicine?

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By *ady Lick OP Woman
over a year ago

Northampton Somewhere

Thanks for the reies so far.

No arguing please ~ its only Monday

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By *hilloutMan
over a year ago

All over the place! Northwesr, , Southwest

"No I won't. I've done my research and a risk analysis. COVID doesn't frighten me and in all likelihood would be from asymptomatic to moderate in someone my age who is healthy with no co-morbidities.

I'd rather go with that than chancing something untested, with no long term studies of safety or efficacy. I'm not a lab rat but automatically become one if I get it.

I've no issue with people getting the shots but tired of being called an anti vaxxer just because i'm showing prudence

I would have said the same last year about my risk of catching it and becoming unwell..

I took precautions, wearing a mask when in busy areas outdoors and always when in shops; keeping my distance and using hand sanitiser wherever available..

Unfortunately it isn't so simple, there are lots of unknowns at play that are still to be understood..

I was fit and healthy, no health problems at all.

I ended up in hospital and now have long covid.. those around me who also caught it, some older than me, some had no symptoms or had it very mild.

I'm sorry you've had issues and wish you a full recovery.

Again, I bring up the issue of risk analysis. Odds are likely it wouldn't affect me heavily, though nothing is guaranteed. This I know.

The covid shots are a complete unknown and given everything surrounding their hasty development, taking them seems too much a risk for me. Everyone has admitted they won't prevent infection, re infenction or transmission. The reports of adverse events are piling up at an alarming rate.

My view still stands. When clinical trials are complete I might change my mind. Until then, no chance.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"No I won't. I've done my research and a risk analysis. COVID doesn't frighten me and in all likelihood would be from asymptomatic to moderate in someone my age who is healthy with no co-morbidities.

I'd rather go with that than chancing something untested, with no long term studies of safety or efficacy. I'm not a lab rat but automatically become one if I get it.

I've no issue with people getting the shots but tired of being called an anti vaxxer just because i'm showing prudence

I'm the same,happy with the tools I have,and not happy about the tools they want to inject in me that I know nothing about.

This is one paragraph from a HMR.

Require the impact of Regulation 174 of the HMR to be formally reviewed within a year of any first use.

Regulation 174 is the existing mechanism which allows for the temporary authorisation of an unlicensed medicine or vaccine.

Unlicensed medicine?

Oh lord, what’s that phrase about people with a tiny bit of knowledge?

For your own sake I’d suggest if you want to hang on every word and detail read up fully on the process that people have had to go through to ensure they are delivering a safe vaccine to market.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Unsurprisingly, there’s a mix of thoughtful, sensible people in this debate and selfish people.

I hate injections - but can’t wait for my 2nd dose and greater assurance that I’ll be ok - and so will those people that I come across.

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"Unsurprisingly, there’s a mix of thoughtful, sensible people in this debate and selfish people.

I hate injections - but can’t wait for my 2nd dose and greater assurance that I’ll be ok - and so will those people that I come across."

I'm actually getting over my needle phobia through this. It's interesting

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The guilt shaming in society needs to stop,in the end everyone should be happy.

The people who've all had it are happy,all the people who are against it have no quarrel with each other as they all on the same page,so at the end of the day the people who were all for it have what they want,they protected,the people who don't want it,all understand that we all have our own reasons.

You get people saying its selfish for not taking the vaccine,but if all the people who want it are protected,then don't worry,you're safe,the only people who risk getting is the anti vaccine people,and they all understand the risk and what tools they have.

And if the users say it's not 100% safe so we could still get covid...why the fuck pump your body full of it then if it's not 100%.

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By * AND R 777Couple
over a year ago

Teesside

"No I won't. I've done my research and a risk analysis. COVID doesn't frighten me and in all likelihood would be from asymptomatic to moderate in someone my age who is healthy with no co-morbidities.

I'd rather go with that than chancing something untested, with no long term studies of safety or efficacy. I'm not a lab rat but automatically become one if I get it.

I've no issue with people getting the shots but tired of being called an anti vaxxer just because i'm showing prudence

Happy to just scrounge your health off of other people doing their moral duty. Ace.

Textbook propaganda and attempted guilt shaming. Nice try

It's time to put your big boy pants on, man up and get the little injection it's realy nothing to be scared of

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"No I won't. I've done my research and a risk analysis. COVID doesn't frighten me and in all likelihood would be from asymptomatic to moderate in someone my age who is healthy with no co-morbidities.

I'd rather go with that than chancing something untested, with no long term studies of safety or efficacy. I'm not a lab rat but automatically become one if I get it.

I've no issue with people getting the shots but tired of being called an anti vaxxer just because i'm showing prudence

I would have said the same last year about my risk of catching it and becoming unwell..

I took precautions, wearing a mask when in busy areas outdoors and always when in shops; keeping my distance and using hand sanitiser wherever available..

Unfortunately it isn't so simple, there are lots of unknowns at play that are still to be understood..

I was fit and healthy, no health problems at all.

I ended up in hospital and now have long covid.. those around me who also caught it, some older than me, some had no symptoms or had it very mild.

I'm sorry you've had issues and wish you a full recovery.

Again, I bring up the issue of risk analysis. Odds are likely it wouldn't affect me heavily, though nothing is guaranteed. This I know.

My view still stands. When clinical trials are complete I might change my mind. Until then, no chance."

Could you explain why the other posters statement was as you say propaganda?

I still don’t really see anything to suggest it was. Everything you’ve vocalised is about your choice, your views, your research... that gives me a view that actually your decision is based purely around yourself with no regard for others health within this equation.

You are of course very entitled to make that choice in this country, I’ve treated many patients with the same view and respect their choice but, I do think if that is the case you should own it, suggesting another poster illustrating that point is spreading propaganda makes your opinion look very weak and flawed to be honest.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"No I won't. I've done my research and a risk analysis. COVID doesn't frighten me and in all likelihood would be from asymptomatic to moderate in someone my age who is healthy with no co-morbidities.

I'd rather go with that than chancing something untested, with no long term studies of safety or efficacy. I'm not a lab rat but automatically become one if I get it.

I've no issue with people getting the shots but tired of being called an anti vaxxer just because i'm showing prudence

I'm the same,happy with the tools I have,and not happy about the tools they want to inject in me that I know nothing about.

This is one paragraph from a HMR.

Require the impact of Regulation 174 of the HMR to be formally reviewed within a year of any first use.

Regulation 174 is the existing mechanism which allows for the temporary authorisation of an unlicensed medicine or vaccine.

Unlicensed medicine?

Oh lord, what’s that phrase about people with a tiny bit of knowledge?

For your own sake I’d suggest if you want to hang on every word and detail read up fully on the process that people have had to go through to ensure they are delivering a safe vaccine to market. "

I never said there wasn't trials done,I said there's not as much time put in to it as they normally would be due to the pandemic needing a vaccine.

174 is actually on the uk practical law site,and the human medicine regulations act is a real.

I'm no scaremonger,nor am I one of these who think covid isnt real,one day I may get the vaccine, but in these early days when it's been released in an emergency...no.

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By *risky_MareWoman
over a year ago

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"No I won't. I've done my research and a risk analysis. COVID doesn't frighten me and in all likelihood would be from asymptomatic to moderate in someone my age who is healthy with no co-morbidities.

I'd rather go with that than chancing something untested, with no long term studies of safety or efficacy. I'm not a lab rat but automatically become one if I get it.

I've no issue with people getting the shots but tired of being called an anti vaxxer just because i'm showing prudence

I would have said the same last year about my risk of catching it and becoming unwell..

I took precautions, wearing a mask when in busy areas outdoors and always when in shops; keeping my distance and using hand sanitiser wherever available..

Unfortunately it isn't so simple, there are lots of unknowns at play that are still to be understood..

I was fit and healthy, no health problems at all.

I ended up in hospital and now have long covid.. those around me who also caught it, some older than me, some had no symptoms or had it very mild.

I'm sorry you've had issues and wish you a full recovery.

Again, I bring up the issue of risk analysis. Odds are likely it wouldn't affect me heavily, though nothing is guaranteed. This I know.

My view still stands. When clinical trials are complete I might change my mind. Until then, no chance."

There are also more conventional vaccines coming online which may change equations.

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"No I won't. I've done my research and a risk analysis. COVID doesn't frighten me and in all likelihood would be from asymptomatic to moderate in someone my age who is healthy with no co-morbidities.

I'd rather go with that than chancing something untested, with no long term studies of safety or efficacy. I'm not a lab rat but automatically become one if I get it.

I've no issue with people getting the shots but tired of being called an anti vaxxer just because i'm showing prudence

I would have said the same last year about my risk of catching it and becoming unwell..

I took precautions, wearing a mask when in busy areas outdoors and always when in shops; keeping my distance and using hand sanitiser wherever available..

Unfortunately it isn't so simple, there are lots of unknowns at play that are still to be understood..

I was fit and healthy, no health problems at all.

I ended up in hospital and now have long covid.. those around me who also caught it, some older than me, some had no symptoms or had it very mild.

I'm sorry you've had issues and wish you a full recovery.

Again, I bring up the issue of risk analysis. Odds are likely it wouldn't affect me heavily, though nothing is guaranteed. This I know.

My view still stands. When clinical trials are complete I might change my mind. Until then, no chance.

There are also more conventional vaccines coming online which may change equations."

I'm on a trial for a traditional attenuated vaccine.

You're welcome.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

A temporary authorisation of the supply of an unlicensed vaccine could be given by the UK’s licensing authority under regulation 174 of the Human Medicines Regulations (see below). A COVID-19 vaccine would only be authorised in this way if the UK’s licensing authority was satisfied that there is sufficient evidence to demonstrate the safety, quality and efficacy of the vaccine. ‘Unlicensed’ does not mean ‘untested’: this temporary authorisation process exists to address the possibility that, in certain situations of public health need, the licensing authority may consider that the balance of risk and benefit to patients justifies the temporary supply of the relevant vaccine pending the issue of a product licence. Regulation 345 of the Human Medicine Regulations transposes into UK law a requirement of EU law that key actors in the medicines supply chain cannot generally be sued in the civil courts for the consequences resulting from the use of an unlicensed product, or a new use of a licensed product, that a national licensing authority is recommending in order to deal with certain specific health threats.

Read the above,its basically saying it's a chance they'll take.

This is actually on the gov.uk website,so that's from the top.

(this temporary authorisation process exists to address the possibility that, in certain situations of public health need, the licensing authority may consider that the balance of risk and benefit to patients justifies the temporary supply of the relevant vaccine pending the issue of a product licence)

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"No I won't. I've done my research and a risk analysis. COVID doesn't frighten me and in all likelihood would be from asymptomatic to moderate in someone my age who is healthy with no co-morbidities.

I'd rather go with that than chancing something untested, with no long term studies of safety or efficacy. I'm not a lab rat but automatically become one if I get it.

I've no issue with people getting the shots but tired of being called an anti vaxxer just because i'm showing prudence

I'm the same,happy with the tools I have,and not happy about the tools they want to inject in me that I know nothing about.

This is one paragraph from a HMR.

Require the impact of Regulation 174 of the HMR to be formally reviewed within a year of any first use.

Regulation 174 is the existing mechanism which allows for the temporary authorisation of an unlicensed medicine or vaccine.

Unlicensed medicine?

Oh lord, what’s that phrase about people with a tiny bit of knowledge?

For your own sake I’d suggest if you want to hang on every word and detail read up fully on the process that people have had to go through to ensure they are delivering a safe vaccine to market.

I never said there wasn't trials done,I said there's not as much time put in to it as they normally would be due to the pandemic needing a vaccine.

174 is actually on the uk practical law site,and the human medicine regulations act is a real.

I'm no scaremonger,nor am I one of these who think covid isnt real,one day I may get the vaccine, but in these early days when it's been released in an emergency...no.

I just find it amazing people can take a principled “science/risk” stance when it comes to vaccination. It’s a very easy to subject to self educate on.

Risk is part of human life, the chances of complications are tiny, the chance of those complications being severe or long lasting are a whole new level of tiny on top of that.

You will have taken far greater “risks” in your life, that’s pretty much guaranteed. It’s a shame you vocalise this subject as a far greater risk than in reality it is.

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By * Plus ECouple
over a year ago

The South

"No I won't. I've done my research and a risk analysis. COVID doesn't frighten me and in all likelihood would be from asymptomatic to moderate in someone my age who is healthy with no co-morbidities.

I'd rather go with that than chancing something untested, with no long term studies of safety or efficacy. I'm not a lab rat but automatically become one if I get it.

I've no issue with people getting the shots but tired of being called an anti vaxxer just because i'm showing prudence

You say you “researched it”.

I'm not sure you did.

Did you complete a literature review and write abstracts on each article? Or better yet, did you collect a random sample of sources and perform independent probability statistics on the reported results? No, no you didn’t.

Did you at least take each article, one by one and look into the source, (that’s would be the author, publisher and funder) then critique the writing for logical fallacies, cognitive distortions and plain inaccuracies? No, no you didn’t.

Did you ask yourself why this source might publish these particular results? Did you follow the trail of refences and apply the same source of scrutiny to them? No, no you didn’t.

No to all? Then you didn’t research anything.

You read or watched a video, most likely with little or no objectivity.

You came across something in your algorithm manipulated feed, something that aligned with your implicit biases and served your confirmation bias, and subsequently applied your emotional filters and called it proof.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"A temporary authorisation of the supply of an unlicensed vaccine could be given by the UK’s licensing authority under regulation 174 of the Human Medicines Regulations (see below). A COVID-19 vaccine would only be authorised in this way if the UK’s licensing authority was satisfied that there is sufficient evidence to demonstrate the safety, quality and efficacy of the vaccine. ‘Unlicensed’ does not mean ‘untested’: this temporary authorisation process exists to address the possibility that, in certain situations of public health need, the licensing authority may consider that the balance of risk and benefit to patients justifies the temporary supply of the relevant vaccine pending the issue of a product licence. Regulation 345 of the Human Medicine Regulations transposes into UK law a requirement of EU law that key actors in the medicines supply chain cannot generally be sued in the civil courts for the consequences resulting from the use of an unlicensed product, or a new use of a licensed product, that a national licensing authority is recommending in order to deal with certain specific health threats.

Read the above,its basically saying it's a chance they'll take.

This is actually on the gov.uk website,so that's from the top.

I see this.

" A COVID-19 vaccine would only be authorised in this way if the UK’s licensing authority was satisfied that there is sufficient evidence to demonstrate the safety, quality and efficacy of the vaccine."

What's the problem, then?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Read the above,its basically saying it's a chance they'll take.

This is actually on the gov.uk website,so that's from the top.

I see this.

What's the problem, then?"

No problem,but if theres a window,I bet the safety,quality and efficancy was within the minimum requirements for release,because it takes years to test vaccines thoroughly before release,they couldn't wait years.

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By *hilloutMan
over a year ago

All over the place! Northwesr, , Southwest

"No I won't. I've done my research and a risk analysis. COVID doesn't frighten me and in all likelihood would be from asymptomatic to moderate in someone my age who is healthy with no co-morbidities.

I'd rather go with that than chancing something untested, with no long term studies of safety or efficacy. I'm not a lab rat but automatically become one if I get it.

I've no issue with people getting the shots but tired of being called an anti vaxxer just because i'm showing prudence

I would have said the same last year about my risk of catching it and becoming unwell..

I took precautions, wearing a mask when in busy areas outdoors and always when in shops; keeping my distance and using hand sanitiser wherever available..

Unfortunately it isn't so simple, there are lots of unknowns at play that are still to be understood..

I was fit and healthy, no health problems at all.

I ended up in hospital and now have long covid.. those around me who also caught it, some older than me, some had no symptoms or had it very mild.

I'm sorry you've had issues and wish you a full recovery.

Again, I bring up the issue of risk analysis. Odds are likely it wouldn't affect me heavily, though nothing is guaranteed. This I know.

My view still stands. When clinical trials are complete I might change my mind. Until then, no chance.

Could you explain why the other posters statement was as you say propaganda?

And guilt shaming doesn't weaken an opinion as well?

Propaganda, yes. The constant non stop fear mongering by the media, collective calls to "do your part" and only hearing one side of the arguement 24/7. If there was actual debate the media would've extensively covered the scientific paper submitted to the EMA challenging the Corman-Drosten paper and the open letter submitted to the EMA re serious scientific concerns with the covid shots. They would also be publishing regularly updated lists w/ adverse events following vaccination instead of just the daily number of new "cases".

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

Read the above,its basically saying it's a chance they'll take.

This is actually on the gov.uk website,so that's from the top.

I see this.

What's the problem, then?

You bet?

Ok. It's obviously a terrible idea then.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The guilt shaming in society needs to stop,in the end everyone should be happy.

And if the users say it's not 100% safe so we could still get covid...why the fuck pump your body full of it then if it's not 100%."

No vaccine in history is 100% effective for every person. Yet somehow they all managed to erridicate many diseases right?

The scientists would have been happy to get 70% effective the fact 95 and more has been achieved makes it one of the most successful vaccines.

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By *ntrepid ExplorersCouple
over a year ago

Birmingham

Read the above,its basically saying it's a chance they'll take.

This is actually on the gov.uk website,so that's from the top.

I see this.

What's the problem, then?

People (not you as I read it...) really do love clinging on to this timescale as some implicit proof of something. Much of the timescale is just procedure, and the fact that there are a myriad of drugs all being tested concurrently so not getting the focus. Much is also what we can call "red tape" if we so choose. So much of it can be trivially condensed and expedited when the will is there, as was the case here.

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By *hilloutMan
over a year ago

All over the place! Northwesr, , Southwest

"No I won't. I've done my research and a risk analysis. COVID doesn't frighten me and in all likelihood would be from asymptomatic to moderate in someone my age who is healthy with no co-morbidities.

I'd rather go with that than chancing something untested, with no long term studies of safety or efficacy. I'm not a lab rat but automatically become one if I get it.

I've no issue with people getting the shots but tired of being called an anti vaxxer just because i'm showing prudence

You say you “researched it”.

I'm not sure you did.

Did you ask yourself why this source might publish these particular results? Did you follow the trail of refences and apply the same source of scrutiny to them? No, no you didn’t.

No to all? Then you didn’t research anything.

You read or watched a video, most likely with little or no objectivity.

Have you?

When there are internationally recognised experts and scientists in the fields re this issue as well as doctors expressing serious concerns would you dismiss them? I didn't, they made a more compelling arguement based on facts and rationale.

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By *ethnmelvCouple
over a year ago

Cardiff

1.45 billion vaccines have been given so far. Deaths in countries not vaccinating are horrendous, the UK has lost at least 150,000 to Covid. The vaccines are tested, they are continually checked and more so than any other medicine due to the amount of interest in them.

Choosing not to take the vaccine is a personal choice, but it is utterly wrong to try to claim you aren’t doing it for ‘fact based’ reasons. The reason people object to this is the falsehoods you are promoting and the potential doubts it places on others.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Read the above,its basically saying it's a chance they'll take.

This is actually on the gov.uk website,so that's from the top.

This is a legal statement, it’s a bit like the shit you read on the back of a credit arrangement.

The important question is how did AZ, Pfizer and Now Moderna “demonstrate the safety, quality and efficacy of the vaccine”.

Read up on all three, their testing and their results. Then perhaps give some credit to those people who are responsible for the enviable position we are in today.

At the height of this pandemic I held the hand of 18 people passing away in a single 12 hour periiod, it’s now 3.5 weeks since we’ve had a fatality within our department. I alongside every single person working on the very frontline of this epidemic realise this vaccines worth.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Thanks for the reies so far.

No arguing please ~ its only Monday

Shame only one of the replies was a yes/no.

Amusing how people cant just answer yes/no without forcing their opinion on others.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Read the above,its basically saying it's a chance they'll take.

This is actually on the gov.uk website,so that's from the top.

I see this.

What's the problem, then?

You bet?

Ok. It's obviously a terrible idea then."

Of course it's not a bad idea, if theres a chance it's going to save more lives than lives covid is going to take,then it's a great idea,but it's a risk people have to take,and it's a risk I dont want to take,as I'm healthy,I've a strong immune system,no underlying health issues etc...so I'm happy with the tools I have.

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By *host63Man
over a year ago

Bedfont Feltham

"Ok, so you're unvaccinated for whatever reason ~ you're anti, you've not been called, you're cautious.

For the cautious amongst us, and I know there's a few. With the Indian variant here are you more likely to have it now?

Simple question. No going off on a tangent now!

I don't think it would make any difference, it's the number of deaths that should be looked at, and how it has decreased in number of deaths the figures speak for themselves"

And as qw found with the 2nd wave that can change. Viruses are a life form and like all life forms.they evolve

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By *ewcouplemidsCouple
over a year ago

walsall

It's evident that vaccines are helping present deaths or serious illness so I'm happy to be getting my second dose on monday

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By *lym4realCouple
over a year ago

plymouth

Love the whole done my research thing !! it's implying that the actual "Scientists" haven't ??? and so you know better ?? or that the "Scientists" missed something that only the very few special ones on tinternet/facebook have found just after ordering stuff ...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"No I won't. I've done my research and a risk analysis. COVID doesn't frighten me and in all likelihood would be from asymptomatic to moderate in someone my age who is healthy with no co-morbidities.

I'd rather go with that than chancing something untested, with no long term studies of safety or efficacy. I'm not a lab rat but automatically become one if I get it.

I've no issue with people getting the shots but tired of being called an anti vaxxer just because i'm showing prudence

I would have said the same last year about my risk of catching it and becoming unwell..

I took precautions, wearing a mask when in busy areas outdoors and always when in shops; keeping my distance and using hand sanitiser wherever available..

Unfortunately it isn't so simple, there are lots of unknowns at play that are still to be understood..

I was fit and healthy, no health problems at all.

I ended up in hospital and now have long covid.. those around me who also caught it, some older than me, some had no symptoms or had it very mild.

I'm sorry you've had issues and wish you a full recovery.

Again, I bring up the issue of risk analysis. Odds are likely it wouldn't affect me heavily, though nothing is guaranteed. This I know.

My view still stands. When clinical trials are complete I might change my mind. Until then, no chance.

Could you explain why the other posters statement was as you say propaganda?

And guilt shaming doesn't weaken an opinion as well?

A vaccine requires the numbers, it required the greater population to do their part, that’s not propaganda it’s mere fact.

The incidents of adverse affects are published and available, I think as of last week the numbers stood at 240 ish within the entire U.K. vaccination program of which all have successfully regained full health in a very short period of time. Perhaps the lack of reporting/debate on this subject is simply because there’s no story, there’s nothing to debate. It would be like the BBC reporting the number of alcohol related admissions on a pre covid Saturday night and calling for a halt to the brewing industry.

As I said, I respect your choice regardless of how selfish and ridiculous it appears to me, you shouldn’t however brand another’s view “propaganda” when the reality is they are just making the view that your own choices disregard anyone else’s well being, sadly that’s just truthful.

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By *lym4realCouple
over a year ago

plymouth

And as a actual real life scientist explained to Mrs4 who then explained it to me ..it's about the infection rate and how easy it is to get it ..then the death rate and so we got our tracking device/jab ....roll on the 2nd one

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By *orwegian BlueMan
over a year ago

Iceland, but Aldi is closer..

"No I won't. I've done my research and a risk analysis. COVID doesn't frighten me and in all likelihood would be from asymptomatic to moderate in someone my age who is healthy with no co-morbidities.

I'd rather go with that than chancing something untested, with no long term studies of safety or efficacy. I'm not a lab rat but automatically become one if I get it.

I've no issue with people getting the shots but tired of being called an anti vaxxer just because i'm showing prudence

I would have said the same last year about my risk of catching it and becoming unwell..

I took precautions, wearing a mask when in busy areas outdoors and always when in shops; keeping my distance and using hand sanitiser wherever available..

Unfortunately it isn't so simple, there are lots of unknowns at play that are still to be understood..

I was fit and healthy, no health problems at all.

I ended up in hospital and now have long covid.. those around me who also caught it, some older than me, some had no symptoms or had it very mild.

I'm sorry you've had issues and wish you a full recovery.

Again, I bring up the issue of risk analysis. Odds are likely it wouldn't affect me heavily, though nothing is guaranteed. This I know.

My view still stands. When clinical trials are complete I might change my mind. Until then, no chance."

Op,

Thanks for the well wishes..

I can fully understand your concerns that the vaccines do seem to have been rolled out hastily, however there are years of research behind them that allowed them to be completed as quickly as they were.

I wish there was something that could be said that would put your mind at rest over the safety of the vaccine.. there isn't..

Unfortunately the negatives always get reported far more than the positives.

Its difficult to adequately work out risk for different age groups simply because the data on long covid does not exist; only simple metrics are available and they are the incorrect data to use as they focus on hospitalisation and death which is mainly associated with older people or those with health conditions.

It has been proved (with data from the more vulnerable) that having the injection does reduce your risk of becoming unwell with covid significantly (although the factors why some people can catch covid a second time or after having the injection is still in debate; one suggestion is some people have compromised immune systems and cannot produce sufficient antibodies to prevent re-infection)

The real risks to consider are of catching the virus and what the potential long term risks to your personal health are..

I used to run 5k or more several times a week, i now cannot get past week 2 or couch to 5k.

I have permanent pains in my legs and joints and haven't slept properly in months.

Brain fog comes and goes, some days i struggle to remember names of words; really embarrassing when i talk with people and have to explain that i am not an idiot just because i cannot articulate myself.

I will probably never scuba dive again unless there is a significant improvment in my health.

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By *olly_chromaticTV/TS
over a year ago

Stockport

Evidence from this thread would seem to be that there is one group of people that use the words "I", "me", "myself" an awful lot, and another group that use the words "others", "society", "the vulnerable" an awful lot. I see little chance of these two groups reconciling anytime soon.

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By *tag and CelesteCouple
over a year ago

Liverpool

"Of course it's not a bad idea, if theres a chance it's going to save more lives than lives covid is going to take,then it's a great idea,but it's a risk people have to take,and it's a risk I dont want to take,as I'm healthy,I've a strong immune system,no underlying health issues etc...so I'm happy with the tools I have."

This. A lot of people passing judgement on other people’s choices, you see on one post some people saying they have little issue with people choosing not to have it then either in the same thread or another criticising people for again, choosing not to.

The wife has had both of her jabs as she was apparently vulnerable. I, however very rarely get sick. I’m relatively young, if I get vaccinated and then catch covid, I still have to isolate and it’s still up for debate whether the vaccine even reduces transmission. That’s not me being anti-vax or anti-covid, I’d rather and I’d encourage people that actually need it to get it, we still socially distance and wear masks so we still do our bit.

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By *redblogsMan
over a year ago

darlington

Well done you. I work in NHS and have no intention of getting the so called vaccine. The MSM are pushing an agenda along with S.A.G.E. Yes there is a virus. probably twice as bad as a bad flu. Death figures are not accurate. Reduction of 24% so far on cases called covid deaths with people who had underlying issues. Lastly, why did government change the recording of deaths in June to dying with in 28 days of a positive test?

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By *risky_MareWoman
over a year ago

...Up on the Downs

" Love the whole done my research thing !! it's implying that the actual "Scientists" haven't ??? and so you know better ?? or that the "Scientists" missed something that only the very few special ones on tinternet/facebook have found just after ordering stuff ..."

On the contrary the information is freely available to all, people just choose to ignore it, or spin it.

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By *retty womanWoman
over a year ago

Near Bournemouth

"No I won't. I've done my research and a risk analysis. COVID doesn't frighten me and in all likelihood would be from asymptomatic to moderate in someone my age who is healthy with no co-morbidities.

I'd rather go with that than chancing something untested, with no long term studies of safety or efficacy. I'm not a lab rat but automatically become one if I get it.

I've no issue with people getting the shots but tired of being called an anti vaxxer just because i'm showing prudence

Happy to just scrounge your health off of other people doing their moral duty. Ace.

Textbook propaganda and attempted guilt shaming. Nice try

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By *ntrepid ExplorersCouple
over a year ago

Birmingham

"Well done you. I work in NHS and have no intention of getting the so called vaccine. The MSM are pushing an agenda along with S.A.G.E. Yes there is a virus. probably twice as bad as a bad flu. Death figures are not accurate. Reduction of 24% so far on cases called covid deaths with people who had underlying issues. Lastly, why did government change the recording of deaths in June to dying with in 28 days of a positive test?"

I'm guessing / hoping you work in the car park? Wearing the tin foil hat inside a hospital must be really awkward.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"No I won't. I've done my research and a risk analysis. COVID doesn't frighten me and in all likelihood would be from asymptomatic to moderate in someone my age who is healthy with no co-morbidities.

I'd rather go with that than chancing something untested, with no long term studies of safety or efficacy. I'm not a lab rat but automatically become one if I get it.

I've no issue with people getting the shots but tired of being called an anti vaxxer just because i'm showing prudence

Probably one of the best arguements against the vaccine. However, if to go abroad on holiday you are required to show Vaccine Certificate would this change your mind.. Might not be the UK, but for example if Spain, American, Dubai all asked for proof of vaccination otherwise its a no go what would you do?

Interested to hear reply.

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By *risky_MareWoman
over a year ago

...Up on the Downs

"No I won't. I've done my research and a risk analysis. COVID doesn't frighten me and in all likelihood would be from asymptomatic to moderate in someone my age who is healthy with no co-morbidities.

I'd rather go with that than chancing something untested, with no long term studies of safety or efficacy. I'm not a lab rat but automatically become one if I get it.

I've no issue with people getting the shots but tired of being called an anti vaxxer just because i'm showing prudence

I would have said the same last year about my risk of catching it and becoming unwell..

I took precautions, wearing a mask when in busy areas outdoors and always when in shops; keeping my distance and using hand sanitiser wherever available..

Unfortunately it isn't so simple, there are lots of unknowns at play that are still to be understood..

I was fit and healthy, no health problems at all.

I ended up in hospital and now have long covid.. those around me who also caught it, some older than me, some had no symptoms or had it very mild.

I'm sorry you've had issues and wish you a full recovery.

Again, I bring up the issue of risk analysis. Odds are likely it wouldn't affect me heavily, though nothing is guaranteed. This I know.

My view still stands. When clinical trials are complete I might change my mind. Until then, no chance.

Op,

Thanks for the well wishes..

I wish there was something that could be said that would put your mind at rest over the safety of the vaccine.. there isn't..

Unfortunately the negatives always get reported far more than the positives.

The real risks to consider are of catching the virus and what the potential long term risks to your personal health are..

I used to run 5k or more several times a week, i now cannot get past week 2 or couch to 5k.

I have permanent pains in my legs and joints and haven't slept properly in months.

I will probably never scuba dive again unless there is a significant improvment in my health. "

Just a suggestion - research Ivermectin and long covid, I have heard favorable reports, though not looked into it yet.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

You’ll be walking away from your job then sadly, I’m surprised an NHS worker isn’t aware that as with Hep B vaccination is well on its way to becoming mandatory for us all... surprised you haven’t been kicking off on that subject with your perilous position.

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By *risky_MareWoman
over a year ago

...Up on the Downs

"No I won't. I've done my research and a risk analysis. COVID doesn't frighten me and in all likelihood would be from asymptomatic to moderate in someone my age who is healthy with no co-morbidities.

I'd rather go with that than chancing something untested, with no long term studies of safety or efficacy. I'm not a lab rat but automatically become one if I get it.

I've no issue with people getting the shots but tired of being called an anti vaxxer just because i'm showing prudence

Interested to hear reply."

Most will take a negative or antibody test.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think people are missing the point about the messages I've personally put in this thread.

I'm not against it,its worked for a lot of people,especially with underlying health issues,that's great,they can have freedom again.

My reasoning for putting the above information in the thread is to show it has been rushed due to the nature of what's been happening the last 18 months,and that's why I wont be having it yet,and the above information on the government website shows they've had to release it faster than usual,which is understandable due to the death toll,its a chance they had to take.

I'm not taking it for my own reasons, because I dont know what could be further down the line with side effects etc... if i do take it,maybe they'll be no side effects at all,I'm no scientist, I'm simply reading factual information and making my own mind up.

I'm certainly not against people taking vaccines or not taking them,I'm just sick of the guilt shaming.

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

Read the above,its basically saying it's a chance they'll take.

This is actually on the gov.uk website,so that's from the top.

I see this.

What's the problem, then?

You bet?

Ok. It's obviously a terrible idea then.

We're speaking from very different perspectives. My personal risk is also very low. I have no relevant comorbidities, I'm pretty young, I have a high level of fitness, I work from home.

I'm not doing this for me. I'm doing it for those who aren't as lucky. And the more who do, the safer we'll all be, because of herd immunity.

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By *hatawasteMan
over a year ago

stafford

Read the above,its basically saying it's a chance they'll take.

This is actually on the gov.uk website,so that's from the top.

I see this.

What's the problem, then?

You bet?

Ok. It's obviously a terrible idea then.

I would argue you may feel happy about the 'tools you have'.. It doesn't protect anyone else though from being infected by you ? My point being this is not actually about your health its about everyone else's. The old, weak etc are who we are trying to protect . And this is now slowly becoming quite a concern a cross the world .. Even within the government the mood is changing ..a quote I have heard recently is ' we can not allow this very small tail to wag the very big dog'.. So matter how healthy people are or think they are things will be changing .. That situation about freedom of choice may soon begin to change unless people start changing their minds .. I would imagine restrictions on non vaccinated people will slowly become harsher and more punitive once we all get out of this lockdown and everyone who agrees to it gets vaccinated etc.. My feeling is that if it becomes necessary we will see lots of rules about how we live, work and play being brought in which will eventually strong arm people into getting vaccinated at some point whether they agree or not .. It's clear as a society we can't have some who will and some who won't .. Only a matter of time I think and that's bound to bring its own problems unfortunately ..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Just a suggestion - research Ivermectin and long covid, I have heard favorable reports, though not looked into it yet. "

Perhaps if you “haven’t looked into it” stop copy and pasting the same line over and over again in this forum... it’s very dull and actually quite misleading for some readers.

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"It's evident that vaccines are helping present deaths or serious illness so I'm happy to be getting my second dose on monday"

Wednesday fortnight for me

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By *hetalkingstoveMan
over a year ago

London

"I think people are missing the point about the messages I've personally put in this thread.

I'm not against it,its worked for a lot of people,especially with underlying health issues,that's great,they can have freedom again.

I'm certainly not against people taking vaccines or not taking them,I'm just sick of the guilt shaming.

If you're sick of guilt shaming, you could start by stopping repeating incorrect anti-vax talking points.

You can literally put 'was the covid 19 vaccine rushed' into Google and read various articles about how the vaccines were produced in a quicker time than normal, and how safety was not compromised.

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By *hilloutMan
over a year ago

All over the place! Northwesr, , Southwest

"No I won't. I've done my research and a risk analysis. COVID doesn't frighten me and in all likelihood would be from asymptomatic to moderate in someone my age who is healthy with no co-morbidities.

I'd rather go with that than chancing something untested, with no long term studies of safety or efficacy. I'm not a lab rat but automatically become one if I get it.

I've no issue with people getting the shots but tired of being called an anti vaxxer just because i'm showing prudence

Interested to hear reply."

It already impacts me as on returning from abroad i'll have to isolate a mandatory 14 days for being unvaccinated. It's a hassle but i'll put up with it at least until clinical trials are done.

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"I think people are missing the point about the messages I've personally put in this thread.

I'm not against it,its worked for a lot of people,especially with underlying health issues,that's great,they can have freedom again.

I'm certainly not against people taking vaccines or not taking them,I'm just sick of the guilt shaming.

If you're sick of guilt shaming, you could start by stopping repeating incorrect anti-vax talking points.

You can literally put 'was the covid 19 vaccine rushed' into Google and read various articles about how the vaccines were produced in a quicker time than normal, and how safety was not compromised.

The LSHTM Viral podcast have been killing it answering these sorts of questions, for those who are interested

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By * AND R 777Couple
over a year ago

Teesside

Read the above,its basically saying it's a chance they'll take.

This is actually on the gov.uk website,so that's from the top.

I see this.

What's the problem, then?

You bet?

Ok. It's obviously a terrible idea then.

People who refuse the vaccine should be made to pay for eny treatment they may need in the future, as a result of there choices. Let's see how confident they are in being safe when facing a big bill

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Read the above,its basically saying it's a chance they'll take.

This is actually on the gov.uk website,so that's from the top.

I see this.

What's the problem, then?

You bet?

Ok. It's obviously a terrible idea then.

We're speaking from very different perspectives. My personal risk is also very low. I have no relevant comorbidities, I'm pretty young, I have a high level of fitness, I work from home.

I'm not doing this for me. I'm doing it for those who aren't as lucky. And the more who do, the safer we'll all be, because of herd immunity."

I know where you're coming from,but the unlucky ones will have had over 2 jabs now,so they should be fine.

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

Read the above,its basically saying it's a chance they'll take.

This is actually on the gov.uk website,so that's from the top.

I see this.

What's the problem, then?

You bet?

Ok. It's obviously a terrible idea then.

We're speaking from very different perspectives. My personal risk is also very low. I have no relevant comorbidities, I'm pretty young, I have a high level of fitness, I work from home.

I'm not doing this for me. I'm doing it for those who aren't as lucky. And the more who do, the safer we'll all be, because of herd immunity.

I know where you're coming from,but the unlucky ones will have had over 2 jabs now,so they should be fine.

They're only up to first jabs in late 30s in my area. Globally, deaths have been reported in as old and ancient as babies. Is it rare? Yes. Do I want to contribute to that? No.

And there's concern that immunity in the elderly wanes. As someone allied with health and social care in my voluntary work, that matters very much to me.

The vaccine is not a silver bullet, but the more of us get vaccinated, the better off we'll be.

And that's why I'm getting vaccinated. Tbh my personal risk from vaccination might even be higher - a close family member suffered life altering consequences from a vaccine a long time ago. And I'm on a trial, so I don't know what vaccine I got. They considered kicking me off the trial when I told them what happened to my relative.

This is my position, it's been my position from the start, and it's unwavering. I'm standing up for the vulnerable.

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By *weheavycummerMan
over a year ago

Near you

Why would anyone with a half a brain cell take an experimental vaccine for a virus with a 99.74% recovery rate? You don't have to be an 'anti vaxxer' to decline this. It's in my opinion that people are totally brainwashed and under fear based mind control to even consider it. Use the eyes and brain god gave you. It's not the plague that the MSM have portrayed it to be.

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By *ady Lick OP Woman
over a year ago

Northampton Somewhere

"Thanks for the reies so far.

No arguing please ~ its only Monday

Shame only one of the replies was a yes/no.

Amusing how people cant just answer yes/no without forcing their opinion on others."

I know, I should of known better. What really annoys me is when people get aggressive and start name calling just because people have differing opinions!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Why would anyone with a half a brain cell take an experimental vaccine for a virus with a 99.74% recovery rate? You don't have to be an 'anti vaxxer' to decline this. It's in my opinion that people are totally brainwashed and under fear based mind control to even consider it. Use the eyes and brain god gave you. It's not the plague that the MSM have portrayed it to be. "

Because if we didn’t we’d see deaths in their 100,000’s directly from the virus, we’d also see massive delays in surgery, screening, cancer treatments etc. We’d also experience sporadic lockdowns throughout the year which in turn would have severe consequences economically and to numerous people mental health or life happiness.

Which rock have you been under for the past 16 months?

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By *weheavycummerMan
over a year ago

Near you

All of which have been caused by your government, not the virus. 100,000's haha you using the same computer models as Neil Ferguson there Charlie?? I've been keeping a close eye on it for a solid 16mths and not from beneath a rock either

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

Because I believe in duty.

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By *weheavycummerMan
over a year ago

Near you

Duty of what exactly?

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By * Plus ECouple
over a year ago

The South

"No I won't. I've done my research and a risk analysis. COVID doesn't frighten me and in all likelihood would be from asymptomatic to moderate in someone my age who is healthy with no co-morbidities.

I'd rather go with that than chancing something untested, with no long term studies of safety or efficacy. I'm not a lab rat but automatically become one if I get it.

I've no issue with people getting the shots but tired of being called an anti vaxxer just because i'm showing prudence

You say you “researched it”.

I'm not sure you did.

Did you ask yourself why this source might publish these particular results? Did you follow the trail of refences and apply the same source of scrutiny to them? No, no you didn’t.

No to all? Then you didn’t research anything.

You read or watched a video, most likely with little or no objectivity.

Have you?

I'm reading "they made a more compelling arguement based on my confirmation bias"

You said you work in healthcare? It really can't be anything to do with virology or vaccination.

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over a year ago

"All of which have been caused by your government, not the virus. 100,000's haha you using the same computer models as Neil Ferguson there Charlie?? I've been keeping a close eye on it for a solid 16mths and not from beneath a rock either "

No, I’ve just been working in an ICU and then going home to my lockdown life during that time....

As for Government (and I’m no Tory), it’s the same issue virtually every government worldwide has had. It’s a great shame you weren't elected as some form of world leader, you could have shown us all how to kick this virus into touch and magicked away all those deaths making my workplace an absolute breeze x

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"Duty of what exactly? "

To protect my community as best I can.

They won't have me on the proverbial front line, so I can take a miniscule risk with my body to protect those around me.

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By *hilloutMan
over a year ago

All over the place! Northwesr, , Southwest

"No I won't. I've done my research and a risk analysis. COVID doesn't frighten me and in all likelihood would be from asymptomatic to moderate in someone my age who is healthy with no co-morbidities.

I'd rather go with that than chancing something untested, with no long term studies of safety or efficacy. I'm not a lab rat but automatically become one if I get it.

I've no issue with people getting the shots but tired of being called an anti vaxxer just because i'm showing prudence

You say you “researched it”.

I'm not sure you did.

Did you ask yourself why this source might publish these particular results? Did you follow the trail of refences and apply the same source of scrutiny to them? No, no you didn’t.

No to all? Then you didn’t research anything.

You read or watched a video, most likely with little or no objectivity.

Have you?

I'm reading "they made a more compelling arguement based on my confirmation bias"

You said you work in healthcare? It really can't be anything to do with virology or vaccination.

So anyone who isn't an expert in this field doesn't have a right to an informed opinion? Ok

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By * Plus ECouple
over a year ago

The South

"Duty of what exactly? "

Public duty.

Civic duty.

Moral duty.

I suspect there's more.

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By * AND R 777Couple
over a year ago

Teesside

Try telling that to the families of the 128,000 people who have already died of it, to use your worlds, why would someone with half a brain cell not take a vaccination that not only helps them but there frinds and family, sticking your head in the sand and protending its not happening is just dam stupid

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By *weheavycummerMan
over a year ago

Near you

I'm not interested in what your affiliation is to whatever political party is. At no point have I said I could kick this virus into touch but I tell you what Charlie, if I was a world leader I'd of put more of an emphasis on health and well being throughout this 'pandemic' than what these clowns have done. Maccies and pubs open, gyms shut during a world wide health crisis. It's laughable. Obesity is putting people most at risk to this virus than the general population, but hey ho, get ya free Krispy Kreme donut with ya jab haaaaaa it's an absolute shit show. The icu is chocker every Yr FACT, what's been different? A virus so deadly a high percent of ppl don't even know they've got it hahaha. Keep virtue signalling Charlie, hopefully a few other brain dead clowns will bang there pots and pans at 8pm when the Indian variant kicks in... Sorry I mean adverse Vaccine reactions!!!! The actual PCR test is being less amplified now making it look like the vaccine is working too xxx

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I think people are missing the point about the messages I've personally put in this thread.

I'm not against it,its worked for a lot of people,especially with underlying health issues,that's great,they can have freedom again.

I'm certainly not against people taking vaccines or not taking them,I'm just sick of the guilt shaming.

If you're sick of guilt shaming, you could start by stopping repeating incorrect anti-vax talking points.

You can literally put 'was the covid 19 vaccine rushed' into Google and read various articles about how the vaccines were produced in a quicker time than normal, and how safety was not compromised.

Incorrect??...how?,you've just answered your own question.

"You stated incorrect talk",yet you've just repeated what I've said earlier....I know it was rushed,then you said you can google it and find out it was rushed,I didn't say it hadn't been rushed.

And I'm certainly no anti-vax,I've got no problem with people getting it,I simply wont "yet" because it has been rushed.

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"I'm not interested in what your affiliation is to whatever political party is. At no point have I said I could kick this virus into touch but I tell you what Charlie, if I was a world leader I'd of put more of an emphasis on health and well being throughout this 'pandemic' than what these clowns have done. Maccies and pubs open, gyms shut during a world wide health crisis. It's laughable. Obesity is putting people most at risk to this virus than the general population, but hey ho, get ya free Krispy Kreme donut with ya jab haaaaaa it's an absolute shit show. The icu is chocker every Yr FACT, what's been different? A virus so deadly a high percent of ppl don't even know they've got it hahaha. Keep virtue signalling Charlie, hopefully a few other brain dead clowns will bang there pots and pans at 8pm when the Indian variant kicks in... Sorry I mean adverse Vaccine reactions!!!! The actual PCR test is being less amplified now making it look like the vaccine is working too xxx"

I thought it was personal responsibility? Resistance bands and yoga mats are cheap, McDonald's isn't compulsory.

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By *hatawasteMan
over a year ago

stafford

"Duty of what exactly?

Public duty.

Civic duty.

Moral duty.

I would say

I suspect there's more.

Duty of care' its the one thing we have got towards each other.. Or supposed to have.. I suspect it comes into this situation quite a lot on both sides of the argument.. We have a duty of care to protect each other from harm.. I also would like to add there will be some elements of safe guarding involved too.. Maybe even on a legal basis in the near future? .. Particularly where the old and vulnerable are concerned.. Duty of care applies to us all.

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"Duty of what exactly?

Public duty.

Civic duty.

Moral duty.

I would say

I suspect there's more.

While my voluntary work hasn't extended duty of care to vaccination, I consider it an integral part of it.

I live by my own standards.

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By *weheavycummerMan
over a year ago

Near you

Accountability for your own health is top of the list. Got big fat bastards who drink, eat shite and don't excersise guilt tripping me for there own demise in health. Never give a fuck about there own health or the health of others but go and get jabbed to pretend there doing something righteous. Fuck off. Half the selfish cunts just wanba go on holiday. If burpees or sit ups were made mandatory there'd be riots on the streets

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By *weheavycummerMan
over a year ago

Near you

I've either read this wrong or it makes no sense???

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"Accountability for your own health is top of the list. Got big fat bastards who drink, eat shite and don't excersise guilt tripping me for there own demise in health. Never give a fuck about there own health or the health of others but go and get jabbed to pretend there doing something righteous. Fuck off. Half the selfish cunts just wanba go on holiday. If burpees or sit ups were made mandatory there'd be riots on the streets "

Lovely.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Seeing a lot of “moral duty” comments, in my opinion there is a lot going in the world and that would benefit off your moral duty outside the vaccine, or is this JUST regarding the UK? Everyone is dutyfull when they don’t have to do much

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By *hatawasteMan
over a year ago

stafford

You are forgetting your responsibility towards all the donut eaters and maccy D eaters.. Whether you like it or not you are liable to be able to not knowingly harm, hurt or infect someone else by your actions.. I believe there may even be a few prosecutions over it in the last few years

So frankly it doesn't matter how fit or what you eat.. The sensible thing to do is join in and that way perhaps someday you won't be held accountable for passing on a virus that killed someone

Just something for you to take time and think about maybe?

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"Seeing a lot of “moral duty” comments, in my opinion there is a lot going in the world and that would benefit off your moral duty outside the vaccine, or is this JUST regarding the UK? Everyone is dutyfull when they don’t have to do much

The question is about the vaccine.

The clinical trial I'm on will likely benefit Australia, who are up shit creek on the vaccine front, and potentially others too.

And my vaccination is not the only thing I'm doing.

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By *weheavycummerMan
over a year ago

Near you

How many of the 128,000 actually died of covid tho??? A virus so deadly you can get hit by a bus after 28 days of testing positive for it with a PCR test that's 7% accurate at which cycle it had been amplified too and go down as a covid death. 60 days it then went too. So you fall off a roof working put test positive your a covid death. Come back to me with real figures pls, not fake numbers

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By *weheavycummerMan
over a year ago

Near you

Hahaha my vaccine is my fridge. I'm fit and healthy thanks. If I wasn't I'd stay indoors like we used too. When common sense was around seen as tho 2020 knocked it out of most ppl

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By * Plus ECouple
over a year ago

The South

"No I won't. I've done my research and a risk analysis. COVID doesn't frighten me and in all likelihood would be from asymptomatic to moderate in someone my age who is healthy with no co-morbidities.

I'd rather go with that than chancing something untested, with no long term studies of safety or efficacy. I'm not a lab rat but automatically become one if I get it.

I've no issue with people getting the shots but tired of being called an anti vaxxer just because i'm showing prudence

You say you “researched it”.

I'm not sure you did.

Did you ask yourself why this source might publish these particular results? Did you follow the trail of refences and apply the same source of scrutiny to them? No, no you didn’t.

No to all? Then you didn’t research anything.

You read or watched a video, most likely with little or no objectivity.

Have you?

I'm reading "they made a more compelling arguement based on my confirmation bias"

You said you work in healthcare? It really can't be anything to do with virology or vaccination.

So anyone who isn't an expert in this field doesn't have a right to an informed opinion? Ok

Correct. Absolutely correct. If you're not an expert in the topic field how can you have an informed opinion?

You're not an expert, you have no knowledge or experience to make a valid, balanced and informed opinion.

You're doing nothing more than parroting someone else's hypothesis (nonsense) that confirms your bias and ignoring anything that refutes your misplaced beliefs.

One of the most dangerous ideas that has come about in the last few years is that all points of view are equally valid and the average citizen is just as equipped to judge which have merit as well as anyone else.

“Hear all sides and judge for yourself!!!!”

No. I do not condone the death of expertise and neither should you.

I am an expert in very few things. But in those areas my expertise is hard earned through study, work, experience, research and aptitude.

None of it comes from attending Google University or Facebook College.

But unless you are an expert in exactly the same areas your opinion is simply not just as valid as mine. It’s just not.

And my opinion is not as valid as experts in other fields. That is why “they” and not “I” are the experts.

If our leading experts agree that A is correct and a couple of discredited Doctors, or a self-appointed YouTube/Facebook expert makes a video that says B is correct, our response shouldn’t be “I’ll listen to both sides and decide what makes sense to me”.

1) If you yourself aren’t an expert, what qualifies you to determine which is correct?

2)Confirmation bias exists. (And only fools think they are free of it)

To paraphrase Asimov, “your ignorance is not the same as their experience”.

Genuinely smart people look for answers from people smarter than themselves.

And those smart people aren’t to be found posting YouTube videos from a room above their parents garage, while wearing only their pants.

My question to you is simple. What makes you qualified to determine which information is valid and which is not?

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By *hagTonightMan
over a year ago

From the land of haribos.

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By *ucka39Man
over a year ago

Newcastle

"It's not the same, but given the variant situation, I am being more cautious than I would have been post one jab. It might not hurt me if I catch it and spread it, but it might hurt others. I couldn't live with myself."

Me either, I received my first vaccine yesterday and I am relieved that I've done my best to protect others and myself

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By *irldnCouple
over a year ago

Brighton

Read the above,its basically saying it's a chance they'll take.

This is actually on the gov.uk website,so that's from the top.

I see this.

What's the problem, then?

You bet?

Ok. It's obviously a terrible idea then.

People who refuse the vaccine should be made to pay for eny treatment they may need in the future, as a result of there choices. Let's see how confident they are in being safe when facing a big bill

Don’t worry when this Govt manages to fully privatise the NHS we will all be paying for all our medical treatment. If you are a smoker, drinker, obese, have underlying health conditions or family history then good luck getting affordable health insurance!

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"Hahaha my vaccine is my fridge. I'm fit and healthy thanks. If I wasn't I'd stay indoors like we used too. When common sense was around seen as tho 2020 knocked it out of most ppl "

Good for you.

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By *hagTonightMan
over a year ago

From the land of haribos.

"No I won't. I've done my research and a risk analysis. COVID doesn't frighten me and in all likelihood would be from asymptomatic to moderate in someone my age who is healthy with no co-morbidities.

I'd rather go with that than chancing something untested, with no long term studies of safety or efficacy. I'm not a lab rat but automatically become one if I get it.

I've no issue with people getting the shots but tired of being called an anti vaxxer just because i'm showing prudence

"
This and I have also done my research on it

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

No thank you for the jab.

My body my choice.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If my aim was to make you appear to be an unbalanced, deluded and selfish dick aid be celebrating about now.

There are so many flaws in what you’ve just posted I don’t know where to start really. I’ll just stick to the simple stuff I know... you’re right every year my 24 bed ICU is chocker, it’s a hard place to work and flu season is an incredible challenge, with that in mind perhaps you can understand that during the past year when at our peak we where expanded to cater for 214 patients and got to the stage where we where transferring patients to create some capacity it perhaps underlines how dire this situation has been.

As for pan banging as with pretty much all my colleagues I had and have zero interest in it. It was a social media post for bored people at best. The only concern I ever had was for the people within our care and their quite horrific stories and sadness.

As for your obesity crap, your vaccine reactions being the true India variant (strange, India is massively under vaccinated) sorry, it’s just delusional.

Well done on using FACT though... that was really convincing.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I think people are missing the point about the messages I've personally put in this thread.

I'm not against it,its worked for a lot of people,especially with underlying health issues,that's great,they can have freedom again.

I'm certainly not against people taking vaccines or not taking them,I'm just sick of the guilt shaming.

If you're sick of guilt shaming, you could start by stopping repeating incorrect anti-vax talking points.

You can literally put 'was the covid 19 vaccine rushed' into Google and read various articles about how the vaccines were produced in a quicker time than normal, and how safety was not compromised.

The LSHTM Viral podcast have been killing it answering these sorts of questions, for those who are interested"

An echo chamber that was

funded by a bloke that hangs out with a tried, convicted and imprisoned paedophile sex trafficker to the tune of tens of millions of pounds.

I don't think so

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The question is about the vaccine.

The clinical trial I'm on will likely benefit Australia, who are up shit creek on the vaccine front, and potentially others too.

And my vaccination is not the only thing I'm doing."

Although the original question is regarding vaxx I was responding to moral duty comments. I was just specifying there’s more going in the world other than vaccines that requires your moral compass, not specifically you but humans in general

Great your doing your bit for Australia though I’m sure they appreciate it.