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"I haven't knowingly or suspended that I had it. I'll be meeting when things seem safer and it's permitted, probably when clubs are open " Suspected, not suspended | |||
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"Had it months ago, was just like a flu but for the loss of sense of smell. The time for isolation is over, I've had enough of it and don't see point in living in fear of a bloody flu." As long as you are ok then Let’s not worry about the deaths... | |||
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"Thanks for the input. To us asking those that have suffered may act as a guid to the way back " I was housebound for two months. | |||
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" Men seem to get chest symptoms worse than women and females tend to have more sensory impairments, just a personal observation." I have noticed that from those I know who have had covid....strange. | |||
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"Had it months ago, was just like a flu but for the loss of sense of smell. The time for isolation is over, I've had enough of it and don't see point in living in fear of a bloody flu. As long as you are ok then Let’s not worry about the deaths..." Let's not worry about the suicides and ruined lives either then eh? | |||
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"Had it months ago, was just like a flu but for the loss of sense of smell. The time for isolation is over, I've had enough of it and don't see point in living in fear of a bloody flu." I don't want to die of a Coronavirus. If I can lessen my chances of catching it and becoming seriously ill from it I will. | |||
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"Had it months ago, was just like a flu but for the loss of sense of smell. The time for isolation is over, I've had enough of it and don't see point in living in fear of a bloody flu. As long as you are ok then Let’s not worry about the deaths... Let's not worry about the suicides and ruined lives either then eh?" Good plan. Let's all write to our MPs urging greater support for vulnerable people and a top up in support for NHS mental health services. | |||
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"Had it months ago, was just like a flu but for the loss of sense of smell. The time for isolation is over, I've had enough of it and don't see point in living in fear of a bloody flu. As long as you are ok then Let’s not worry about the deaths... Let's not worry about the suicides and ruined lives either then eh?" Can you show me data about increased suicides? Seriously, I haven’t seen any. | |||
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"It's heart warming that in the past fifteen months how many have developed a social conscience and a new found empathy.. Or am I being cynical.." I'll come sit next to you on that bench. | |||
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"It's heart warming that in the past fifteen months how many have developed a social conscience and a new found empathy.. Or am I being cynical.." No, no you are not being cynical. We have become a more empathetic and socially aware society (well, some of us have). | |||
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"It's heart warming that in the past fifteen months how many have developed a social conscience and a new found empathy.. Or am I being cynical.. I'll come sit next to you on that bench." | |||
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"It's heart warming that in the past fifteen months how many have developed a social conscience and a new found empathy.. Or am I being cynical.. No, no you are not being cynical. We have become a more empathetic and socially aware society (well, some of us have)." I would say yes some have and it's been one of the upsides in this time, but it's equally highlighted other less admirable traits in some.. | |||
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"Don’t know if this has been asked but how many fab members have had Covid ? Those that have we sympathise but would like to know your thoughts on meeting others ? When do you think it may be fight to do so ??" Some of my family members did and I won’t be meeting anytime soon | |||
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"Had it months ago, was just like a flu but for the loss of sense of smell. The time for isolation is over, I've had enough of it and don't see point in living in fear of a bloody flu. As long as you are ok then Let’s not worry about the deaths... Let's not worry about the suicides and ruined lives either then eh?" You have quite a warped response to people's posts.. If no. One else will call you out I'm happy to! I lost friends to Covid.. Didn't catch it myself but recognise we are doing this to protect the old and the weak not the young and the fit and strong .. Your response more than suggests a survival of the fittest approach or even just a selfish one? Also if people understood we are all going to have to change how we do things instead of gripping on for dear life at the old ways of work and play .. Your predicted suicides and ruined lives arguably wouldn't be as much of a worry would they? .. Its how we deal with the results of a pandemic not how we keep trying to live like we did before that matters now ..that's what's going to save lives not an ' I will do what I want ' attitude.. | |||
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"It's heart warming that in the past fifteen months how many have developed a social conscience and a new found empathy.. Or am I being cynical.. I'll come sit next to you on that bench." im mostly on the bench too (hope it has lots of room for our distancing ) but i can understand where the argument is coming from while also being able to objectively see the numbers are not actually any worse i think part of the suicide mental health viewpoint is peoples anecdotal personal stories which are harrowing and therefore it feels inappropriate and cold to talk them down with facts the statistics don’t show an increase in suicides , but for the people who knew someone who has committed suicide they understandably don’t care about statistics , the impact in their life has gone up and they cant see it objectively also in the past when someone gets to that sad stage , there is usually not one thing that can be pointed to as the cause , people recognise it as a build up of issues because otherwise they would have to point the finger at a person , maybe their partner, or their boss , or the suicidal person themselves (not that anyone is at fault but grieving people tend to look for cause and blame). the difference now is that last straw was a lockdown, its not a person, its faceless and the government so people are happy now to point a finger of blame and ignore this element that no one thing is to blame and things had been building in their mind over time i don’t deny there have been many difficult parts to the lockdowns but on its own it hasn’t directly caused death, but has prevented many of them | |||
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"Had it months ago, was just like a flu but for the loss of sense of smell. The time for isolation is over, I've had enough of it and don't see point in living in fear of a bloody flu. As long as you are ok then Let’s not worry about the deaths... Let's not worry about the suicides and ruined lives either then eh? You have quite a warped response to people's posts.. If no. One else will call you out I'm happy to! I lost friends to Covid.. Didn't catch it myself but recognise we are doing this to protect the old and the weak not the young and the fit and strong .. Your response more than suggests a survival of the fittest approach or even just a selfish one? Also if people understood we are all going to have to change how we do things instead of gripping on for dear life at the old ways of work and play .. Your predicted suicides and ruined lives arguably wouldn't be as much of a worry would they? .. Its how we deal with the results of a pandemic not how we keep trying to live like we did before that matters now ..that's what's going to save lives not an ' I will do what I want ' attitude.. " Stay inside then. If you're happy to waste your life away in lockdown and perpetuallly wearing a mask then go right ahead. For the majority of people I feel have had enough. People lose loved ones and friends everyday. Do you want a hug or something? Life moves on... | |||
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"Don’t know if this has been asked but how many fab members have had Covid ? Those that have we sympathise but would like to know your thoughts on meeting others ? When do you think it may be fight to do so ??" Yes I had it very early in proceedings, I don’t think having it or not adds any gravitas to your perspective, likewise I don’t think the fact I’ve worked solidly in a covid based icu does either. The simple answer is at at time when restrictions and common sense allow it. Policy should guide us all. I guess I look at this week and hugging, will I rush to hug everyone? No, just a select few. Likewise with swinging, I’d probably meet on an individual basis before I got into the centre of an orgy. We all have a brain, I think taking risk is to be accepted, being reckless however, that’s perhaps where people need to think a bit more. | |||
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"Had it months ago, was just like a flu but for the loss of sense of smell. The time for isolation is over, I've had enough of it and don't see point in living in fear of a bloody flu. As long as you are ok then Let’s not worry about the deaths... Let's not worry about the suicides and ruined lives either then eh?" I wish people would stop posting suicide crap in a manner that suggests those people have been cast aside, nobody has cared when making policy or decision. Suicides, undetected major illnesses etc are all part of the death toll of covid-19. You can’t separate them, they are as upsetting as stories as those who have passed away on ventilators... they are all of the collateral damage this virus has inflicted, it was never avoidable, it was always a subject like those patients on ICU’s which urgently needed people to do their bit to keep infections down and allow society to safely open up and medical help, screening and treatment to get back to normal levels. | |||
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"Had it months ago, was just like a flu but for the loss of sense of smell. The time for isolation is over, I've had enough of it and don't see point in living in fear of a bloody flu. As long as you are ok then Let’s not worry about the deaths... Let's not worry about the suicides and ruined lives either then eh? You have quite a warped response to people's posts.. If no. One else will call you out I'm happy to! I lost friends to Covid.. Didn't catch it myself but recognise we are doing this to protect the old and the weak not the young and the fit and strong .. Your response more than suggests a survival of the fittest approach or even just a selfish one? Also if people understood we are all going to have to change how we do things instead of gripping on for dear life at the old ways of work and play .. Your predicted suicides and ruined lives arguably wouldn't be as much of a worry would they? .. Its how we deal with the results of a pandemic not how we keep trying to live like we did before that matters now ..that's what's going to save lives not an ' I will do what I want ' attitude.. Stay inside then. If you're happy to waste your life away in lockdown and perpetuallly wearing a mask then go right ahead. For the majority of people I feel have had enough. People lose loved ones and friends everyday. Do you want a hug or something? Life moves on..." And this, I feel, is precisely the attitude that perpetuates the problem. It always seems that those who shout loudest about not wanting to do the things that will bring the situation under control are the same ones who complain that the situation is on going. Just my observance, I have no links to peer reviewed scientific studies for you to read. | |||
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"Had it months ago, was just like a flu but for the loss of sense of smell. The time for isolation is over, I've had enough of it and don't see point in living in fear of a bloody flu. As long as you are ok then Let’s not worry about the deaths... Let's not worry about the suicides and ruined lives either then eh? I wish people would stop posting suicide crap in a manner that suggests those people have been cast aside, nobody has cared when making policy or decision. Suicides, undetected major illnesses etc are all part of the death toll of covid-19. You can’t separate them, they are as upsetting as stories as those who have passed away on ventilators... they are all of the collateral damage this virus has inflicted, it was never avoidable, it was always a subject like those patients on ICU’s which urgently needed people to do their bit to keep infections down and allow society to safely open up and medical help, screening and treatment to get back to normal levels. " As usual missing the point entirely. To say what this country went through was unavoidable is just a fallacy. You're spouting the same MSM bull that I keep hearing on here. No one talks about anything but covid infections, mental health is just an afterthought. | |||
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"It’s very interesting listening to all of your examples and so good to know you have all come out on the right side. Do you think those of you who have suffered will return to swinging or have you considered abstaining " I will return, but with a new attitude. And based on my personal assessment of risk, well after we're "allowed". | |||
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"Had it months ago, was just like a flu but for the loss of sense of smell. The time for isolation is over, I've had enough of it and don't see point in living in fear of a bloody flu. As long as you are ok then Let’s not worry about the deaths... Let's not worry about the suicides and ruined lives either then eh? I wish people would stop posting suicide crap in a manner that suggests those people have been cast aside, nobody has cared when making policy or decision. Suicides, undetected major illnesses etc are all part of the death toll of covid-19. You can’t separate them, they are as upsetting as stories as those who have passed away on ventilators... they are all of the collateral damage this virus has inflicted, it was never avoidable, it was always a subject like those patients on ICU’s which urgently needed people to do their bit to keep infections down and allow society to safely open up and medical help, screening and treatment to get back to normal levels. As usual missing the point entirely. To say what this country went through was unavoidable is just a fallacy. You're spouting the same MSM bull that I keep hearing on here. No one talks about anything but covid infections, mental health is just an afterthought. " I work in mental health. It has never been an afterthought. Suicide rates have not soared, depression and low mood have reappeared in people who have been well for a long time. At least that’s what we have seen and has been supported by research. You carry on being selfish and blaming the people directly giving support if it helps you sleep at night | |||
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"Had it months ago, was just like a flu but for the loss of sense of smell. The time for isolation is over, I've had enough of it and don't see point in living in fear of a bloody flu. As long as you are ok then Let’s not worry about the deaths... Let's not worry about the suicides and ruined lives either then eh? I wish people would stop posting suicide crap in a manner that suggests those people have been cast aside, nobody has cared when making policy or decision. Suicides, undetected major illnesses etc are all part of the death toll of covid-19. You can’t separate them, they are as upsetting as stories as those who have passed away on ventilators... they are all of the collateral damage this virus has inflicted, it was never avoidable, it was always a subject like those patients on ICU’s which urgently needed people to do their bit to keep infections down and allow society to safely open up and medical help, screening and treatment to get back to normal levels. As usual missing the point entirely. To say what this country went through was unavoidable is just a fallacy. You're spouting the same MSM bull that I keep hearing on here. No one talks about anything but covid infections, mental health is just an afterthought. I work in mental health. It has never been an afterthought. Suicide rates have not soared, depression and low mood have reappeared in people who have been well for a long time. At least that’s what we have seen and has been supported by research. You carry on being selfish and blaming the people directly giving support if it helps you sleep at night " My family also works in mental health. Keep being a sheep, life's simple that way. | |||
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"Had it months ago, was just like a flu but for the loss of sense of smell. The time for isolation is over, I've had enough of it and don't see point in living in fear of a bloody flu. As long as you are ok then Let’s not worry about the deaths... Let's not worry about the suicides and ruined lives either then eh? I wish people would stop posting suicide crap in a manner that suggests those people have been cast aside, nobody has cared when making policy or decision. Suicides, undetected major illnesses etc are all part of the death toll of covid-19. You can’t separate them, they are as upsetting as stories as those who have passed away on ventilators... they are all of the collateral damage this virus has inflicted, it was never avoidable, it was always a subject like those patients on ICU’s which urgently needed people to do their bit to keep infections down and allow society to safely open up and medical help, screening and treatment to get back to normal levels. As usual missing the point entirely. To say what this country went through was unavoidable is just a fallacy. You're spouting the same MSM bull that I keep hearing on here. No one talks about anything but covid infections, mental health is just an afterthought. I work in mental health. It has never been an afterthought. Suicide rates have not soared, depression and low mood have reappeared in people who have been well for a long time. At least that’s what we have seen and has been supported by research. You carry on being selfish and blaming the people directly giving support if it helps you sleep at night My family also works in mental health. Keep being a sheep, life's simple that way. " Rather than throw sheep comments around, try providing something to make what you say credible. I bet your family are proud of your selflessness. | |||
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"I work with approx 250 people everybody being tested weekly id say no more than 5 or 6 people wearing masks in any one shift and we havent had a single positive test at all" Careful now....you'll get branded a science denier or something. Your personal experiences won't count for anything when the experts read this | |||
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"I work with approx 250 people everybody being tested weekly id say no more than 5 or 6 people wearing masks in any one shift and we havent had a single positive test at all Careful now....you'll get branded a science denier or something. Your personal experiences won't count for anything when the experts read this " not really , we have limited information about the type of work sure , but the regular testing which then means any positive cases are isolated from the rest of the workforce is mitigation which then makes sense the cases are low | |||
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"I work with approx 250 people everybody being tested weekly id say no more than 5 or 6 people wearing masks in any one shift and we havent had a single positive test at all Careful now....you'll get branded a science denier or something. Your personal experiences won't count for anything when the experts read this not really , we have limited information about the type of work sure , but the regular testing which then means any positive cases are isolated from the rest of the workforce is mitigation which then makes sense the cases are low " But the bit where the poster said 'haven't had a single positive test at all'....no need to isolate sure | |||
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"I work with approx 250 people everybody being tested weekly id say no more than 5 or 6 people wearing masks in any one shift and we havent had a single positive test at all Careful now....you'll get branded a science denier or something. Your personal experiences won't count for anything when the experts read this not really , we have limited information about the type of work sure , but the regular testing which then means any positive cases are isolated from the rest of the workforce is mitigation which then makes sense the cases are low But the bit where the poster said 'haven't had a single positive test at all'....no need to isolate sure" oh i misread it as 5 or 6 cases not 5 or 6 wearing masks - i think the vaguesness of the situation is still relevant though | |||
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"Don’t know if this has been asked but how many fab members have had Covid ? Those that have we sympathise but would like to know your thoughts on meeting others ? When do you think it may be fight to do so ??" I'll start counting tomorrow | |||
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"Had it months ago, was just like a flu but for the loss of sense of smell. The time for isolation is over, I've had enough of it and don't see point in living in fear of a bloody flu. As long as you are ok then Let’s not worry about the deaths... Let's not worry about the suicides and ruined lives either then eh? I wish people would stop posting suicide crap in a manner that suggests those people have been cast aside, nobody has cared when making policy or decision. Suicides, undetected major illnesses etc are all part of the death toll of covid-19. You can’t separate them, they are as upsetting as stories as those who have passed away on ventilators... they are all of the collateral damage this virus has inflicted, it was never avoidable, it was always a subject like those patients on ICU’s which urgently needed people to do their bit to keep infections down and allow society to safely open up and medical help, screening and treatment to get back to normal levels. As usual missing the point entirely. To say what this country went through was unavoidable is just a fallacy. You're spouting the same MSM bull that I keep hearing on here. No one talks about anything but covid infections, mental health is just an afterthought. " Absolute bollox, re-read any of my forum posts over the past 16 months and you’ll see I often make the point that the impact of covid is wide reaching whether that’s other areas of health, economic etc. What you are displaying is a complete lack of comprehension that the various areas of suffering are linked. There was always going to be direct covid deaths, the virus’s impact on the care system also meant there would have been an impact on surgery, diagnosis, mental health etc. All of those areas along with commercial issues needed us to get to a place where we could reinstate a more normal level of daily movement, interaction etc, there was never a way to reduce those deaths and consequences, to open up would have made this countries ability to treat anyone even more challenging, it would have created a far worst toll. | |||
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"It's heart warming that in the past fifteen months how many have developed a social conscience and a new found empathy.. Or am I being cynical.. I'll come sit next to you on that bench. im mostly on the bench too (hope it has lots of room for our distancing ) but i can understand where the argument is coming from while also being able to objectively see the numbers are not actually any worse i think part of the suicide mental health viewpoint is peoples anecdotal personal stories which are harrowing and therefore it feels inappropriate and cold to talk them down with facts the statistics don’t show an increase in suicides , but for the people who knew someone who has committed suicide they understandably don’t care about statistics , the impact in their life has gone up and they cant see it objectively also in the past when someone gets to that sad stage , there is usually not one thing that can be pointed to as the cause , people recognise it as a build up of issues because otherwise they would have to point the finger at a person , maybe their partner, or their boss , or the suicidal person themselves (not that anyone is at fault but grieving people tend to look for cause and blame). the difference now is that last straw was a lockdown, its not a person, its faceless and the government so people are happy now to point a finger of blame and ignore this element that no one thing is to blame and things had been building in their mind over time i don’t deny there have been many difficult parts to the lockdowns but on its own it hasn’t directly caused death, but has prevented many of them " Good post.. Seen more than one bloke take that route and it's truly awful whatever the situation.. | |||
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