FabSwingers.com forum: Should the lockdown easing be stopped?

By *hagTonight OP Man
over a year ago

From the land of haribos.

I have been reading some reports that there could be a chance for it to be stopped cos of the indian variant, boris said that there would be meetings later on thursday to discuss what to do, and that he was “ruling nothing out” when asked if local lockdowns were possible, what do you think will happen? If it was going to happen would local lockdowns be better? I think it would be, rather than the whole country.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

we have to learn to live with this virus at somepoint, we cant be lockd down forever, its not the answer

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By *hagTonight OP Man
over a year ago

From the land of haribos.

"Boris has said numerous times that the unlocking of restrictions is irreversible. "
Yes, he have said that too.

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By *oved Up 2Couple
over a year ago

nottingham

They need to think about the impact lockdown is having mental health. The vaccination programme is extremely successful and people need some freedom

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By *hagTonight OP Man
over a year ago

From the land of haribos.

"we have to learn to live with this virus at somepoint, we cant be lockd down forever, its not the answer"
You are right there, we have to learn to live with this new reality where there will be lockdowns and restrictions for years to come.

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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago

near ipswich

Every day more and more people are getting vaccinated the whole idea of a lockdown was to stop the nhs getting overwhelmed and to reduce deaths its worked and every day more people are protected from serious illness.

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By *rMrs84Couple
over a year ago

Doncaster

"Boris has said numerous times that the unlocking of restrictions is irreversible. "

BoJo says a lot of things.

Remember when he promised no more lockdowns?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

i think there is no point in speculating , if plans have to change because the circumstances have changed then we will know when it happens

worrying about if we will or wont go off plan is just another thing for people to stress over - i am very much in a cant wait to get bck to normal but just take it all a day at a time mode

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm a vaccinator and been double vaccinated.. and test and NHS...pls let me out ..I'm knackered..

Waiting big boy boris reply.

Hopefully they should lock down areas and mass test

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By *luttyLaylaWoman
over a year ago

North West

I’ve seen they are targeting higher risk areas with vaccines from a younger age (anyone over 18 in Bolton can be vaccinated) so hopefully that’s the way it will go.

Lockdowns can’t become “normal”, that’s terrifying. But so was the state of the NHS.

As long as hospital admissions and deaths stay down fingers crossed x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

'I'd rather see bodies piled high than another lockdown '

LOL

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Agree with you completely

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"Boris has said numerous times that the unlocking of restrictions is irreversible.

BoJo says a lot of things.

Remember when he promised no more lockdowns?

He also promised Brexit by October or he'd be dead in a ditch or something

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By *isAdventure69Woman
over a year ago

Hampshire

Closing the borders would be my suggestion

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By *nSeeNMan
over a year ago

Z'ha'dum

"Closing the borders would be my suggestion

I think a lot of people suggested that few months back but no he had to have his poxy Red, Amber and green system.

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By *olex99Man
over a year ago

Hull

"Boris has said numerous times that the unlocking of restrictions is irreversible. "

Nothing is irreversible

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Boris has said numerous times that the unlocking of restrictions is irreversible.

Nothing is irreversible "

Time, perhaps?

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By *olex99Man
over a year ago

Hull

"Boris has said numerous times that the unlocking of restrictions is irreversible.

Nothing is irreversible

Time, perhaps? "

Now you're just being picky

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Boris has said numerous times that the unlocking of restrictions is irreversible.

Nothing is irreversible

Time, perhaps?

Now you're just being picky

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By *hatawasteMan
over a year ago

stafford

"I have been reading some reports that there could be a chance for it to be stopped cos of the indian variant, boris said that there would be meetings later on thursday to discuss what to do, and that he was “ruling nothing out” when asked if local lockdowns were possible, what do you think will happen? If it was going to happen would local lockdowns be better? I think it would be, rather than the whole country."

People need to realise nothing is guaranteed.. Each step of the unlocking process is conditional.. It either passes or fails.. And we move on or go back on pause depending on the outcome of the previous few weeks.

Amusing to see so many taking everything so literally.. Particularly the big June 21st date as being a return to normality.. Something I have doubted from day one.. We will have regional tiers back then and a sliding scale of degrees of freedom..not a complete end to social distancing and no restrictions.. Just not possible and only the very naive can't see it..

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By *ldaCouple
over a year ago

sutton Coldfield

Why is it not possible? And why is it only the naive that think it?

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By *ubal1Man
over a year ago

Newry Down

The Indian mutations are bound to be causing a lot of concern within WHO; governments of nation states; pharmaceuticals manufacturers, et al.

Nothing is guaranteed; if the current vaccines do not provide protection against these mutations, we are back at square one.

Lockdowns might have to be reinstigated; I hope this is not the situation.

I am enjoying my freedom!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Everything is set out ready in the event that it’s needed - it’s going to happen.

Handcock has said and indirectly quote.

“ the only thing that would prevent England coming out of lockdown on June 21 would be the emergence of a mutant strain that makes vaccinated people severely ill”

Interesting this statement. He seems to know something more already -

Put your hands up if you know about the ferrets?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I directly quote not indirectly haha typo

"Everything is set out ready in the event that it’s needed - it’s going to happen.

Handcock has said and indirectly quote.

“ the only thing that would prevent England coming out of lockdown on June 21 would be the emergence of a mutant strain that makes vaccinated people severely ill”

Interesting this statement. He seems to know something more already -

Put your hands up if you know about the ferrets?

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By *rincess PhoenixWoman
over a year ago

Southampton

People are already ignoring restrictions! People are back to having house parties of more than 6 people/2 households even if they haven't been vaccinated and that is why we keep on having lockdowns

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By *alandNitaCouple
over a year ago

Scunthorpe

"Boris has said numerous times that the unlocking of restrictions is irreversible. "

Stopping isn't the same as going backwards

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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago

upton wirral

"Boris has said numerous times that the unlocking of restrictions is irreversible.

BoJo says a lot of things.

Remember when he promised no more lockdowns?

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All tis Boris knocking over the pandemic is discusting every nation has had a hard time dealing with the unknown so all of you need to be more objective

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By *sussexyMan
over a year ago

Lewes

"dealing with the unknown"

I'm sorry, but when the R rate is above 1 and a bunch of scientists are telling you that there will be chaos in a few weeks or months time, it is not "unknown" it is "maths". And he has got his sums wrong three times for sure and I suspect this is his fourth.

Also, although every nation has had a challenge, there are several that have not had a hard time. Not suffered massive hits to their economy, not piled up mental health problems and routine operation backlogs. Please don't show your ignorance by keeping on repeating this rubbish.

The time for being objective will be...oh you know ... later... after the general election certainly..

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By *eeleyWoman
over a year ago

Dudley

"Every day more and more people are getting vaccinated the whole idea of a lockdown was to stop the nhs getting overwhelmed and to reduce deaths its worked and every day more people are protected from serious illness."

Exactly this, the variant has not shown any resistance to the vaccine so I don't think there's any reason to panic.

Cases will show a rise as everyone can be tested twice weekly.

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By *lex46TV/TS
over a year ago

Near Wells

In my local council area the number if infections are 8 in a 100,000.

To me, that is no risk and we should open everything up ASAP and get back to some kind of normality.

I'd love to know the infection rates of other viruses etc and how we react to them. We just carry on as normal and don't give it a moments thought.

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By *inky_couple2020Couple
over a year ago

North West

"I’ve seen they are targeting higher risk areas with vaccines from a younger age (anyone over 18 in Bolton can be vaccinated) so hopefully that’s the way it will go.

Lockdowns can’t become “normal”, that’s terrifying. But so was the state of the NHS.

As long as hospital admissions and deaths stay down fingers crossed x"

Despite Bolton being top of the Covid league, actually we are not currently able to vaccinate anyone over 18. Blackburn with Darwen can though, for reasons unknown.

Bolton has a vaccine bus (single) where people can go for vaccines but people currently have to meet the vaccination priority criteria. So, that's over 38s any anyone in the 9 previously advised priority groups.

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

It would have been wise in my opinion to have got much more data on the 1 Indian variant's spread here, before we progressed to the next step. The new 1 is more infectious than the Kent 1 and is growing exponentially it seems.

Opening things up will give it an easy chance to spread, whilst we're in the dark still

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It would have been wise in my opinion to have got much more data on the 1 Indian variant's spread here, before we progressed to the next step. The new 1 is more infectious than the Kent 1 and is growing exponentially it seems.

Opening things up will give it an easy chance to spread, whilst we're in the dark still "

Who cares if it's spreading as long as hospital admissions aren't rising?

If it's evading immunity (natural or vaccine) then it's cause for concern. Unless and until then, meh.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I’ve seen they are targeting higher risk areas with vaccines from a younger age (anyone over 18 in Bolton can be vaccinated) so hopefully that’s the way it will go.

Lockdowns can’t become “normal”, that’s terrifying. But so was the state of the NHS.

As long as hospital admissions and deaths stay down fingers crossed x

Despite Bolton being top of the Covid league, actually we are not currently able to vaccinate anyone over 18. Blackburn with Darwen can though, for reasons unknown.

They wouldn't leave Bolton out because it comes under Andy Burnham's Greater Manchester would they

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Opening things up will give it an easy chance to spread, whilst we're in the dark still "

They don't know if it's more contagious from what I've read.

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

Opening things up will give it an easy chance to spread, whilst we're in the dark still

Who cares if it's spreading as long as hospital admissions aren't rising?

If it's evading immunity (natural or vaccine) then it's cause for concern. Unless and until then, meh."

"Who cares if it's spreading?"

We should care, for many reasons, including as our past history of not managing the disease caused 1 of the dominant variants in the world today. Not minimising the levels of infection provides opportunity for more variants, any of which could be unmanageable, damaging health and the economy, here and elsewhere. We have a responsibility for people not fortunate enough to have been vaccinated, to protect their health and lives too.

Certainly we have reduced hospital admissions and lives lost already but that's not enough, as the problem lives on. The lower we get our infection levels through the rest of the year, the fewer people will be stricken next winter. We can see how September last year was not a good basis for that winter.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I've seen people say the vaccines still work against the India variant but haven't seen any information online to confirm this 'officially'.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The situation need to be monitored amd if rates increase then we need to stop easing restrictions

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I've seen people say the vaccines still work against the India variant but haven't seen any information online to confirm this 'officially'."

From BBC

Prof Robert Dingwall, a scientist on the government's New and Emerging Respiratory Virus Threats Advisory Group (Nervtag), said it seemed people who had been vaccinated "have only a very low risk of infection" from the India variant - and infection was "likely to be mild".

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By *inky_couple2020Couple
over a year ago

North West

"I’ve seen they are targeting higher risk areas with vaccines from a younger age (anyone over 18 in Bolton can be vaccinated) so hopefully that’s the way it will go.

Lockdowns can’t become “normal”, that’s terrifying. But so was the state of the NHS.

As long as hospital admissions and deaths stay down fingers crossed x

Despite Bolton being top of the Covid league, actually we are not currently able to vaccinate anyone over 18. Blackburn with Darwen can though, for reasons unknown.

They wouldn't leave Bolton out because it comes under Andy Burnham's Greater Manchester would they

Dunno, but Bolton is a Conservative run council and so you'd think they'd help their fellow Cons.....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I’ve seen they are targeting higher risk areas with vaccines from a younger age (anyone over 18 in Bolton can be vaccinated) so hopefully that’s the way it will go.

Lockdowns can’t become “normal”, that’s terrifying. But so was the state of the NHS.

As long as hospital admissions and deaths stay down fingers crossed x

Despite Bolton being top of the Covid league, actually we are not currently able to vaccinate anyone over 18. Blackburn with Darwen can though, for reasons unknown.

They wouldn't leave Bolton out because it comes under Andy Burnham's Greater Manchester would they

Dunno, but Bolton is a Conservative run council and so you'd think they'd help their fellow Cons....."

Fingers crossed they get it sorted. their football team just won promotion so lets hope they also succeed with this.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I WILL NOT BE LOCKED DOWN AGAIN!

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By *inky_couple2020Couple
over a year ago

North West

"I’ve seen they are targeting higher risk areas with vaccines from a younger age (anyone over 18 in Bolton can be vaccinated) so hopefully that’s the way it will go.

Lockdowns can’t become “normal”, that’s terrifying. But so was the state of the NHS.

As long as hospital admissions and deaths stay down fingers crossed x

Despite Bolton being top of the Covid league, actually we are not currently able to vaccinate anyone over 18. Blackburn with Darwen can though, for reasons unknown.

They wouldn't leave Bolton out because it comes under Andy Burnham's Greater Manchester would they

Dunno, but Bolton is a Conservative run council and so you'd think they'd help their fellow Cons.....

Fingers crossed they get it sorted. their football team just won promotion so lets hope they also succeed with this."

I know that the bastard BWFCs got promoted

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I’ve seen they are targeting higher risk areas with vaccines from a younger age (anyone over 18 in Bolton can be vaccinated) so hopefully that’s the way it will go.

Lockdowns can’t become “normal”, that’s terrifying. But so was the state of the NHS.

As long as hospital admissions and deaths stay down fingers crossed x

Despite Bolton being top of the Covid league, actually we are not currently able to vaccinate anyone over 18. Blackburn with Darwen can though, for reasons unknown.

They wouldn't leave Bolton out because it comes under Andy Burnham's Greater Manchester would they

Dunno, but Bolton is a Conservative run council and so you'd think they'd help their fellow Cons.....

Fingers crossed they get it sorted. their football team just won promotion so lets hope they also succeed with this.

I know that the bastard BWFCs got promoted

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By *ackformore100Man
over a year ago

Tin town

"People are already ignoring restrictions! People are back to having house parties of more than 6 people/2 households even if they haven't been vaccinated and that is why we keep on having lockdowns "

Yes but that's all someone else's fault. Probably Boris. Just because.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"People are already ignoring restrictions! People are back to having house parties of more than 6 people/2 households even if they haven't been vaccinated and that is why we keep on having lockdowns

Yes but that's all someone else's fault. Probably Boris. Just because. "

Most "Behavioural experts" state that the vast majority of the UK population have been following and observing the rules.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Opening things up will give it an easy chance to spread, whilst we're in the dark still

Who cares if it's spreading as long as hospital admissions aren't rising?

If it's evading immunity (natural or vaccine) then it's cause for concern. Unless and until then, meh.

"Who cares if it's spreading?"

Sorry, but that's not acceptable for many people or the economy.

The ONLY justifiable reason for lockdowns is to stop health systems being overcome.

Increased infection numbers alone of a disease that has been mitigated enough to avoid hospitalisation is not a valid excuse.

We live with a huge variety of other illnesses and this one (while only having mild symptoms, generally) should no longer be treated differently.

Fortunately, this seems to be the way the government is also going.

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By *omerset1976Man
over a year ago

Burnham

"we have to learn to live with this virus at somepoint, we cant be lockd down forever, its not the answer"

Well said!

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By *ackformore100Man
over a year ago

Tin town

"People are already ignoring restrictions! People are back to having house parties of more than 6 people/2 households even if they haven't been vaccinated and that is why we keep on having lockdowns

Yes but that's all someone else's fault. Probably Boris. Just because.

Most "Behavioural experts" state that the vast majority of the UK population have been following and observing the rules."

That's some quote... How many are "most".? But yes its good that most of us, as shitty as its been have done what we can. Some haven't don't and won't... And that's on them... Not anyone else.

Other countries (Portugal) extend lockdown as needed. So... If we need to delay things a bit to avoid a disastrous outbreak. Then that's what we should do. Rather that and be in good shape going into winter than on the crest of another horrendous wave.

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By *J swingCouple
over a year ago

North

A place called erewash is higher than Bolton.

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By *omerset1976Man
over a year ago

Burnham

"I WILL NOT BE LOCKED DOWN AGAIN!

I’m with you! No more. Virus is here... we need to live with it. Vaccines should stop people from

being hospitalised or worse so no threat to NHS services being flooded again. It’s not the only thing people die from... we seem to have forgot about that. People get ill, people die, daily, all around the world from hundreds of different illnesses. Not nice but it’s a fact. We live with that.

Sorry.... stepped off soap box now!!

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By *irldnCouple
over a year ago

Brighton

"People are already ignoring restrictions! People are back to having house parties of more than 6 people/2 households even if they haven't been vaccinated and that is why we keep on having lockdowns

Yes but that's all someone else's fault. Probably Boris. Just because.

Most "Behavioural experts" state that the vast majority of the UK population have been following and observing the rules.

That's some quote... How many are "most".? But yes its good that most of us, as shitty as its been have done what we can. Some haven't don't and won't... And that's on them... Not anyone else.

What ever happened to “local lockdowns”?

Shouldn’t any place showing the Indian variant be tightly locked down to kill it (such as Bolton)?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"People are already ignoring restrictions! People are back to having house parties of more than 6 people/2 households even if they haven't been vaccinated and that is why we keep on having lockdowns

Yes but that's all someone else's fault. Probably Boris. Just because.

Most "Behavioural experts" state that the vast majority of the UK population have been following and observing the rules.

That's some quote... How many are "most".? But yes its good that most of us, as shitty as its been have done what we can. Some haven't don't and won't... And that's on them... Not anyone else.

What ever happened to “local lockdowns”?

Shouldn’t any place showing the Indian variant be tightly locked down to kill it (such as Bolton)?"

It's not possible to 'kill' these things. Once they are out, they are out. We should have learnt that by now.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"People are already ignoring restrictions! People are back to having house parties of more than 6 people/2 households even if they haven't been vaccinated and that is why we keep on having lockdowns

Yes but that's all someone else's fault. Probably Boris. Just because.

Most "Behavioural experts" state that the vast majority of the UK population have been following and observing the rules.

That's some quote... How many are "most".? But yes its good that most of us, as shitty as its been have done what we can. Some haven't don't and won't... And that's on them... Not anyone else.

What ever happened to “local lockdowns”?

Shouldn’t any place showing the Indian variant be tightly locked down to kill it (such as Bolton)?"

Bolton has been more or less in lockdown since March 2020.

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By *2123Man
over a year ago

Now it’s time to get on with life, just shy of 2 years most of us don’t remember what normal life really is and many more are struggling with the effects of lockdown more so than covid!

People die, yes it’s sad but for 98% of us covid is minor and most people have to get tested before they know they have it. The vulnerable and people at risk are all vaccinated now, even people in their 20’s have been offered the first dose. I don’t think it’s needed but younger people can make informed decisions for themselves and it doesn’t need to be pushed upon people to be vaccinated “to save lives” and emotionally pressured.

Peoples die daily from many things but for some reason people CANNOT die from covid? Even tho mental health, missed hospital appointments and diagnosis/treatment. That doesn’t seem to matter.

End all restrictions and make sure the people at risk have the support available to keep shielding. Time to think for ourselves

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By *hatawasteMan
over a year ago

stafford

"I WILL NOT BE LOCKED DOWN AGAIN!

I think You will by the end of the summer .. we all will in some shape or form .. people need to stop believing the government and start studying the science ..

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By *hatawasteMan
over a year ago

stafford

"Now it’s time to get on with life, just shy of 2 years most of us don’t remember what normal life really is and many more are struggling with the effects of lockdown more so than covid!

Peoples die daily from many things but for some reason people CANNOT die from covid? Even tho mental health, missed hospital appointments and diagnosis/treatment. That doesn’t seem to matter.

End all restrictions and make sure the people at risk have the support available to keep shielding. Time to think for ourselves

Its 1 year and 2 months not 2 years?

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By *2123Man
over a year ago

Shy of 2 years. The first case of covid was December 2019, so if another lockdown occurs won’t that take us to very near 2 years of this nonsense?

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By *host63Man
over a year ago

Bedfont Feltham

Well we all know that Johnson is full of shit

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By *entlemanrogueMan
over a year ago

Motherwell

Bojo mumbles one load of BS anyway. we will see what happens.

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By *lorious hole bs16Man
over a year ago

Bristol

When this is all reviewed ,I think the local lockdowns was something that didn't really work..

It will be interesting to see if the traffic light system works, it seems a little confusing and I feel that it would be better to cancel foreign holidays for this year and let's all go to Blackpool

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I've seen people say the vaccines still work against the India variant but haven't seen any information online to confirm this 'officially'.

From BBC

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It’s stick or twist and each time we’ve twisted before we’ve ended up in a worse mess. Rather keep things as they are right now and delay easing rather than go back to what it was like in January...that would feel too much to bear

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It’s stick or twist and each time we’ve twisted before we’ve ended up in a worse mess. Rather keep things as they are right now and delay easing rather than go back to what it was like in January...that would feel too much to bear "

We've never 'twisted' before with a vaccine in the mix.

This is totally different.

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By *irldnCouple
over a year ago

Brighton

"People are already ignoring restrictions! People are back to having house parties of more than 6 people/2 households even if they haven't been vaccinated and that is why we keep on having lockdowns

Yes but that's all someone else's fault. Probably Boris. Just because.

Most "Behavioural experts" state that the vast majority of the UK population have been following and observing the rules.

That's some quote... How many are "most".? But yes its good that most of us, as shitty as its been have done what we can. Some haven't don't and won't... And that's on them... Not anyone else.

What ever happened to “local lockdowns”?

Shouldn’t any place showing the Indian variant be tightly locked down to kill it (such as Bolton)?

It's not possible to 'kill' these things. Once they are out, they are out. We should have learnt that by now."

Ok “kill” was wrong word, how about “contain”.

If nobody can go in or out of Bolton (for example) then the virus cannot spread and will lose access to new hosts and burn out. As far as I am aware, there is no evidence of this virus lying dormant in people so that would indicate if it cannot spread to a new host then it eventually dies?

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By *irldnCouple
over a year ago

Brighton

"People are already ignoring restrictions! People are back to having house parties of more than 6 people/2 households even if they haven't been vaccinated and that is why we keep on having lockdowns

Yes but that's all someone else's fault. Probably Boris. Just because.

Most "Behavioural experts" state that the vast majority of the UK population have been following and observing the rules.

That's some quote... How many are "most".? But yes its good that most of us, as shitty as its been have done what we can. Some haven't don't and won't... And that's on them... Not anyone else.

What ever happened to “local lockdowns”?

Shouldn’t any place showing the Indian variant be tightly locked down to kill it (such as Bolton)?

Bolton has been more or less in lockdown since March 2020."

I didn’t know that but then it begs the question - if people of Bolton been in lockdown all that time, then how did they fly to and from India and bring back the Indian variant?

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By *inky_couple2020Couple
over a year ago

North West

"People are already ignoring restrictions! People are back to having house parties of more than 6 people/2 households even if they haven't been vaccinated and that is why we keep on having lockdowns

Yes but that's all someone else's fault. Probably Boris. Just because.

Most "Behavioural experts" state that the vast majority of the UK population have been following and observing the rules.

That's some quote... How many are "most".? But yes its good that most of us, as shitty as its been have done what we can. Some haven't don't and won't... And that's on them... Not anyone else.

What ever happened to “local lockdowns”?

Shouldn’t any place showing the Indian variant be tightly locked down to kill it (such as Bolton)?

Bolton has been more or less in lockdown since March 2020.

I didn’t know that but then it begs the question - if people of Bolton been in lockdown all that time, then how did they fly to and from India and bring back the Indian variant?"

You can't put a wall around Bolton and hem everyone in. People shouldn't have been travelling so freely abroad, I agree, but our economy has been in restrictions the entire time since March 2020, we never got released from higher level restrictions. The areas with high Covid are already deprived, the best way to make them more deprived is to cut off income again.

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over a year ago

"People are already ignoring restrictions! People are back to having house parties of more than 6 people/2 households even if they haven't been vaccinated and that is why we keep on having lockdowns

Yes but that's all someone else's fault. Probably Boris. Just because.

Most "Behavioural experts" state that the vast majority of the UK population have been following and observing the rules.

That's some quote... How many are "most".? But yes its good that most of us, as shitty as its been have done what we can. Some haven't don't and won't... And that's on them... Not anyone else.

What ever happened to “local lockdowns”?

Shouldn’t any place showing the Indian variant be tightly locked down to kill it (such as Bolton)?

It's not possible to 'kill' these things. Once they are out, they are out. We should have learnt that by now.

Ok “kill” was wrong word, how about “contain”.

Jesus. We did this last year.

Your hyperthetical situation could work if everyon was locked down fully. That's not possible due to critical workers so it doesn't work.

As soon as you lift, the wave will come back.

Herd immunity is the ONLY way out and we are practically there with vaccines.

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By *inky_couple2020Couple
over a year ago

North West

"A place called erewash is higher than Bolton. "

Not now, we've risen to the top of the league now...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

We've never 'twisted' before with a vaccine in the

This is totally different."

True but we don’t have blanket vaccine coverage yet and we’re dealing with a‘variant of concern’...a slight delay isn’t the end of the world when dealing with an invisible menace that can mutate to sideswerve vaccine immunity

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

We've never 'twisted' before with a vaccine in the

This is totally different.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

We've never 'twisted' before with a vaccine in the

This is totally different.

We are as good as at the levels of immunity required.

There will always be variants of concern, just like there are multiple flu variants every year..

We can't keep locking down.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

We've never 'twisted' before with a vaccine in the

This is totally different.

We are as good as at the levels of immunity required.

There will always be variants of concern, just like there are multiple flu variants every year..

We can't keep locking down."

It’s less locking down (don’t know if I could stand that again)...more consolidation...desperately don’t want to lose the gains of the last few months. Bit like slowing down through motorway roadworks...a pain but don’t last

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

O o O oo

"A place called erewash is higher than Bolton.

Not now, we've risen to the top of the league now..."

How many has it jumped to do you know?

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

O o O oo

"Shy of 2 years. The first case of covid was December 2019, so if another lockdown occurs won’t that take us to very near 2 years of this nonsense?

Our nonsense only started last March, most of us didn't know anything about the virus in Dec

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By *ilf n filfCouple
over a year ago

edinburgh

Total ban on all countries in the red zone.

No flights in or out

No goods in any or out.

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By *inky_couple2020Couple
over a year ago

North West

"A place called erewash is higher than Bolton.

Not now, we've risen to the top of the league now...

How many has it jumped to do you know?"

Data on local news media this morning says Bolton is 192.3 per 100,000. It represents a weekly increase of somewhere like 120%.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Total ban on all countries in the red zone.

No flights in or out

No goods in any or out."

Lol

You do know most of the world's vaccines are actually made in (or use components from) India?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

" We are as good as at the levels of immunity required. "

this makes absolutely no logical sense - you are either at the level of immunity required or you are not

there is no as good as level

with only a small amount of the population having had 2 jabs and a huge section not even offered their first yet , we are definitely not yet at the level of vaccination required for immunity

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By *heRazorsEdgeMan
over a year ago

Wales/ All over UK

"Boris has said numerous times that the unlocking of restrictions is irreversible.

BoJo says a lot of things.

Remember when he promised no more lockdowns?

Remember when he said we could spend £350M a week on the NHS instead?

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

O o O oo

"A place called erewash is higher than Bolton.

Not now, we've risen to the top of the league now...

How many has it jumped to do you know?

Data on local news media this morning says Bolton is 192.3 per 100,000. It represents a weekly increase of somewhere like 120%."

Erewash were up to 205 per 100,000 a couple of days ago so they could be winning if it is still the same, although they probably wouldn't want to be

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By *asIsaCouple
over a year ago

harrow

"I WILL NOT BE LOCKED DOWN AGAIN!

It’s looking increasingly likely that you will

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By *inky_couple2020Couple
over a year ago

North West

"A place called erewash is higher than Bolton.

Not now, we've risen to the top of the league now...

How many has it jumped to do you know?

Data on local news media this morning says Bolton is 192.3 per 100,000. It represents a weekly increase of somewhere like 120%.

Erewash were up to 205 per 100,000 a couple of days ago so they could be winning if it is still the same, although they probably wouldn't want to be

One area of Bolton (Rumworth South) is at 562.9 per 100,000 with the surrounding wards all over 400. But it would appear Erewash is slightly outstripping us on the borough-wide total. Not a league table we should be competing in though

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

Opening things up will give it an easy chance to spread, whilst we're in the dark still

Who cares if it's spreading as long as hospital admissions aren't rising?

If it's evading immunity (natural or vaccine) then it's cause for concern. Unless and until then, meh.

"Who cares if it's spreading?"

Sorry, but that's not acceptable for many people or the economy.

The ONLY justifiable reason for lockdowns is to stop health systems being overcome.

Increased infection numbers alone of a disease that has been mitigated enough to avoid hospitalisation is not a valid excuse.

We live with a huge variety of other illnesses and this one (while only having mild symptoms, generally) should no longer be treated differently.

Fortunately, this seems to be the way the government is also going."

We have 2 methods of reducing the impacts of the virus - restrictions or vaccinations.

The effects of the virus are still somewhat uncertain and this is exacerbated by the ability of the virus to mutate. Letting infection levels get higher risks giving it more opportunities to mutate. Each mutation may mean that we end up with a much deadlier virus. Fairly quick death, following infection, is just 1 aspect of the damage it causes to society. It can damage and destroy vital organs as well as cause long covid in all age groups. This is still little understood.

It's certainly essential that we have an operational NHS that's not overwhelmed but that's not the only important matter that we should address.

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

As we climb out of this economically ruinous period, we also need to consider the long term health of the young people on whose backs the recovery will primarily fall. Deaths and hospitalisations are the most important metric but not the only one.

I don't know the answer here.

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

O o O oo

"A place called erewash is higher than Bolton.

Not now, we've risen to the top of the league now...

How many has it jumped to do you know?

Data on local news media this morning says Bolton is 192.3 per 100,000. It represents a weekly increase of somewhere like 120%.

Erewash were up to 205 per 100,000 a couple of days ago so they could be winning if it is still the same, although they probably wouldn't want to be

Nope, the mention of leagues is probably not what we need, but it helps if people get the info correct.

They are huge numbers for different areas though, it wouldn't surprise me if different areas will go into Lockdown again, which didn't work last time

There is a press conference about this variant tonight so we may find out

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

O o O oo

"As we climb out of this economically ruinous period, we also need to consider the long term health of the young people on whose backs the recovery will primarily fall. Deaths and hospitalisations are the most important metric but not the only one.

I don't know the answer here."

Vaccinate all the youngsters in the areas of concern could be an option as that is where it seems to be spreading, which also could mean that the vaccine is working for the people already vaccinated, so a big positive there

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By *irldnCouple
over a year ago

Brighton

"People are already ignoring restrictions! People are back to having house parties of more than 6 people/2 households even if they haven't been vaccinated and that is why we keep on having lockdowns

Yes but that's all someone else's fault. Probably Boris. Just because.

Most "Behavioural experts" state that the vast majority of the UK population have been following and observing the rules.

That's some quote... How many are "most".? But yes its good that most of us, as shitty as its been have done what we can. Some haven't don't and won't... And that's on them... Not anyone else.

What ever happened to “local lockdowns”?

Shouldn’t any place showing the Indian variant be tightly locked down to kill it (such as Bolton)?

It's not possible to 'kill' these things. Once they are out, they are out. We should have learnt that by now.

Ok “kill” was wrong word, how about “contain”.

Jesus. We did this last year.

Your hyperthetical situation could work if everyon was locked down fully. That's not possible due to critical workers so it doesn't work.

As soon as you lift, the wave will come back.

Herd immunity is the ONLY way out and we are practically there with vaccines."

But the issue facing Bolton is the rise of the Indian variant linked to travel to and from India. If that travel had not happened then that would not be an issue. What we can’t have now is it spreading exponentially beyond Bolton (prob too late)

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

I don't know the answer here.

Yes, definitely.

But I hate the thought of leaving the long term health of the young to chance because deaths are down. It seems irresponsible

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

O o O oo

I don't know the answer here.

Yes, definitely.

But I hate the thought of leaving the long term health of the young to chance because deaths are down. It seems irresponsible"

Not all youngsters will have a mild illness so I agree with you.If I hadn't had a vaccine I would happily stay inside for a bit longer to let the people of the problem areas all get jabbed

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By *exyMPCouple
over a year ago

SOUTHEND-ON-SEA

"i think there is no point in speculating , if plans have to change because the circumstances have changed then we will know when it happens

worrying about if we will or wont go off plan is just another thing for people to stress over - i am very much in a cant wait to get bck to normal but just take it all a day at a time mode "

Very well said. Why can't everyone else be as sensible as you !

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

I don't know the answer here.

Yes, definitely.

But I hate the thought of leaving the long term health of the young to chance because deaths are down. It seems irresponsible

Not all youngsters will have a mild illness so I agree with you.If I hadn't had a vaccine I would happily stay inside for a bit longer to let the people of the problem areas all get jabbed"

I'm one jab down and I'm keeping away from people as much as I can. That's all I can personally do. Wider society - it's beyond my ability to control, but I hope people are protected. For all of our sakes.

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By *aulupforitMan
over a year ago

Corbridge

Boris should of lockdown all airports so nobody enters or leaves the country and that would of been a good start

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By *irldnCouple
over a year ago

Brighton

"Boris should of lockdown all airports so nobody enters or leaves the country and that would of been a good start

Anyone would think we can’t control our borders? We need Brexit...oh wait a minute!?

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By *ldaCouple
over a year ago

sutton Coldfield

And all ports as well, what about the Channel Tunnel?

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By *aulupforitMan
over a year ago

Corbridge

"Boris should of lockdown all airports so nobody enters or leaves the country and that would of been a good start

Anyone would think we can’t control our borders? We need Brexit...oh wait a minute!?"

We can not control our borders... What is Brexit?

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By *aulupforitMan
over a year ago

Corbridge

Close the lot bit like they did in Australia

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By *he Ring WraithMan
over a year ago

Bradford

The politicians in this country do not have the mandate or bottle to close the boarders, someone would scream 'racism or human rights infringement' and sue someone and get millions for hurt feelings !

This will go on and there will be another lockdown this summer.

those selfish people that brought the variant in to the country probably by 'quarantining' in Turkey instead of a hotel are to blame, the rest of us will suffer as always !

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By *ackformore100Man
over a year ago

Tin town

"People are already ignoring restrictions! People are back to having house parties of more than 6 people/2 households even if they haven't been vaccinated and that is why we keep on having lockdowns

Yes but that's all someone else's fault. Probably Boris. Just because.

Most "Behavioural experts" state that the vast majority of the UK population have been following and observing the rules.

That's some quote... How many are "most".? But yes its good that most of us, as shitty as its been have done what we can. Some haven't don't and won't... And that's on them... Not anyone else.

What ever happened to “local lockdowns”?

Shouldn’t any place showing the Indian variant be tightly locked down to kill it (such as Bolton)?

Bolton has been more or less in lockdown since March 2020."

Apart from those travelling to India and returning with said virus...

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By *dam and slutCouple
over a year ago

Manchester

Now that Boris has said people are allowed to start hugging each other from the 17th of May, I'd like to take this opportunity to remind people that all attempts at hugging me will result in a swift throat punch and a toe poke in the crotch.

I hate you all, don't touch me.

Thank you for your understanding..

Adam De Vil

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"Now that Boris has said people are allowed to start hugging each other from the 17th of May, I'd like to take this opportunity to remind people that all attempts at hugging me will result in a swift throat punch and a toe poke in the crotch.

I hate you all, don't touch me.

Thank you for your understanding..

Adam De Vil"

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By *hrista BellendWoman
over a year ago

surrounded by twinkly lights

"The politicians in this country do not have the mandate or bottle to close the boarders, someone would scream 'racism or human rights infringement' and sue someone and get millions for hurt feelings !

This will go on and there will be another lockdown this summer.

those selfish people that brought the variant in to the country probably by 'quarantining' in Turkey instead of a hotel are to blame, the rest of us will suffer as always !

And all the countries that we infected with the Kent variant are saying the same about us

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If I were a betting man, I’d say that judging by the news feeds; Bozza delaying his and Chris Whitty’s stand up routine in front of the £2.5m chroma key wall; Jimmy Cranky’s decision a few mins ago to delay easing in Glasgow and Moray by at least a week - I’d say the May 17 easing is being fucked off to Tibet too.

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By *andyladMan
over a year ago

Hereorthere

Yeah lock it all down again the doom and gloom has very much descended on the country once again

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By *inky_couple2020Couple
over a year ago

North West

I don't know the answer here.

Yes, definitely.

But I hate the thought of leaving the long term health of the young to chance because deaths are down. It seems irresponsible

Not all youngsters will have a mild illness so I agree with you.If I hadn't had a vaccine I would happily stay inside for a bit longer to let the people of the problem areas all get jabbed"

Even mild illness can result in long Covid symptoms, it would seem, so agree that vaccinating the younger population to minimise spread further is a good idea, because otherwise the burden of morbidity in the working age population might become excessive.

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By *igsteve43Man
over a year ago

derby

"Boris has said numerous times that the unlocking of restrictions is irreversible. "

Therefore he is likely to not relax restrictions until he can be certain they are, oh wait, he can't, I think he will go ahead because he is stubborn and hey presto come October lockdown again

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

glasgow just got its current restrictions extended ... thats my dinner date this week out the window

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By *ackformore100Man
over a year ago

Tin town

"glasgow just got its current restrictions extended ... thats my dinner date this week out the window

Dinner for one madam? Shimla pinks?

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By *oldswarriorMan
over a year ago

Falkirk

"glasgow just got its current restrictions extended ... thats my dinner date this week out the window

This is a pointless measure only putting Glasgow City under extention.

Glasgow is the hub of the west coast. Lanarkshire, Renfrewshire and Stirlingshire are all overspill into the greater Glasgow area.

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By *astlincscoupleCouple
over a year ago

Tinsel Town

That's next week's plans scuppered.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Stand corrected..... for now. Good job I’m not a betting man!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"glasgow just got its current restrictions extended ... thats my dinner date this week out the window

This is a pointless measure only putting Glasgow City under extention.

Glasgow is the hub of the west coast. Lanarkshire, Renfrewshire and Stirlingshire are all overspill into the greater Glasgow area.

travel in and out of glasgow is also banned

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By *astlincscoupleCouple
over a year ago

Tinsel Town

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By *astlincscoupleCouple
over a year ago

Tinsel Town

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Any word on Edinburgh?

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By *quirell2015Man
over a year ago

somewhere nearby

This will go on and there will be another lockdown this summer.

those selfish people that brought the variant in to the country probably by 'quarantining' in Turkey instead of a hotel are to blame, the rest of us will suffer as always !

And all the countries that we infected with the Kent variant are saying the same about us"

And I’m guessing there’s no coincidence that Kent is the main pass through for European travel and visitors

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By *ldaCouple
over a year ago

sutton Coldfield

We don’t produce enough food to close the boarders. Vaccine comes from abroad, also many other medicines.

Closing the boarders means a lot more than just stopping holidays

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Boris has said numerous times that the unlocking of restrictions is irreversible. "

He said this a year ago before lifting restrictions last summer and reinstated them at Christmas.

The reality was that a lot more people just ignored them the second time around. If it happens again even more people will ignore them.

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By *ackformore100Man
over a year ago

Tin town

"We don’t produce enough food to close the boarders. Vaccine comes from abroad, also many other medicines.

Closing the boarders means a lot more than just stopping holidays"

Lets not try and reduce unnecessary travel then

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"We don’t produce enough food to close the boarders. Vaccine comes from abroad, also many other medicines.

Closing the boarders means a lot more than just stopping holidays

Lets not try and reduce unnecessary travel then "

Or develop biosecurity measures for trade.

All too hard. Meh

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By *olly_chromaticTV/TS
over a year ago

Stockport

"We don’t produce enough food to close the boarders. Vaccine comes from abroad, also many other medicines.

Closing the boarders means a lot more than just stopping holidays

Lets not try and reduce unnecessary travel then

Or develop biosecurity measures for trade.

All too hard. Meh"

Yes this situation is all so sudden and unexpected. It's not as if we've had 16 months to plan and arrange for something like, oh I don't know, maybe one driver to bring an articulated truck over the channel into a secure area, then swap trailers so that the arriving goods can continue with a local driver, and the original driver can return to the continent with a cargo that has to leave the country? Without the foreign driver mixing with local people and vice versa?

Or maybe we could have invented something like a big metal box, let's call it a "shipping container" that can be filled with goods in one country then stacked on the deck of a ship by a bloody great crane, sail across the world and be lifted off the ship by a different crane in a different country. By the time it arrived at its destination, any traces of virus on the box would be dead. Just think, what a brilliant way this could be for goods to still be traded without the need for millions of plague ridden people to keep travelling from continent to continent!

But yes, as it's only in the last two days that we even heard about the dangers of disease transmission, there's just no way we could ever have done any of this planning.

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By *inky_couple2020Couple
over a year ago

North West

"We don’t produce enough food to close the boarders. Vaccine comes from abroad, also many other medicines.

Closing the boarders means a lot more than just stopping holidays

Lets not try and reduce unnecessary travel then

Or develop biosecurity measures for trade.

All too hard. Meh

But yes, as it's only in the last two days that we even heard about the dangers of disease transmission, there's just no way we could ever have done any of this planning."

Does. Not. Compute

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By *ackformore100Man
over a year ago

Tin town

"We don’t produce enough food to close the boarders. Vaccine comes from abroad, also many other medicines.

Closing the boarders means a lot more than just stopping holidays

Lets not try and reduce unnecessary travel then

Or develop biosecurity measures for trade.

All too hard. Meh

But yes, as it's only in the last two days that we even heard about the dangers of disease transmission, there's just no way we could ever have done any of this planning."

You could be on to something there.. You be hapag and i will be Lloyd and together we can have a container shipping company.... Oh fuck... Too late.

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

Maybe it'll happen if we put it in the minds of Bojo's friends?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Before the elections boris said the road map is on track.

After the elections,bozo tells us we're all mugs for falling for his shit.

Well i never.

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By *ackformore100Man
over a year ago

Tin town

"Before the elections boris said the road map is on track.

After the elections,bozo tells us we're all mugs for falling for his shit.

Well i never."

So you think he made all those folks travel and return from India and spread the virus.... That's some conspiracy even for Boris.

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By *ubal1Man
over a year ago

Newry Down

Yes. Until more information on these mutations is available.

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By *issIrishCoffeeWoman
over a year ago

Bristol

No we need to stay in lockdown still this is under control or gone

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By *ucka39Man
over a year ago

Newcastle

Should be no travel regarding for holidays boarders only open for shipment of supplies food etc to minimise further risk of transmission of further viruses and we'll be able to control what new virus and remain to continue to open up lockdown fully considering people keep getting vaccinated by age groups

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By *upergirthukMan
over a year ago

Liverpool UK

The only thing anyone can count on is that when Boris Johnson wakes up in the morning, and every subsequent morning, is that he'll be the lying cont he has been his whole life and will be until the day he dies.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The vaccine uptake in Bolton has been slightly lower when compared to other places in Greater Manchester. Also when you have a situation where many young people have to rent accommodation together as affording rent on your own in some careers early on is difficult, you have more instances where the virus can spread to more people. For example if they work in client facing jobs such as retail or hospitality it only takes one to catch it and the house hold ends up with it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Also the under 38s with the exception of NHS workers or most people who made up the shielding have yet to be vaccinated. Yes the risk is lower but complications from Covid and long term conditions from the virus are present in the under 30s. I know a number of people who were still feeling the effects of the virus at least 3-4 months after recovering.

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By *accaMan
over a year ago

leicester

"No we need to stay in lockdown still this is under control or gone

It'll never be gone completely unfortunately, I just hope the vaccinations go a long to help control the effects.

We can't keep lingering in lockdown. As a country we can't afford to keep handing out money to keep business afloat and people employed, its just ot possible.

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By *arakiss12TV/TS
over a year ago

Bedford

The Indian variant is getting to be a concern.

Boris had to level with us last year, so it is this year.

Lockdown til July then re assess.

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By *issIrishCoffeeWoman
over a year ago

Bristol

"No we need to stay in lockdown still this is under control or gone

It'll never be gone completely unfortunately, I just hope the vaccinations go a long to help control the effects.

We can't keep lingering in lockdown. As a country we can't afford to keep handing out money to keep business afloat and people employed, its just ot possible. "

Well people need to learn that this virus is no joke , if people would of listen the first time or the second we might of been out of lockdown and trying to get back to normal so . Hope we stay in lockdown

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

"No we need to stay in lockdown still this is under control or gone

It'll never be gone completely unfortunately, I just hope the vaccinations go a long to help control the effects.

We can't keep lingering in lockdown. As a country we can't afford to keep handing out money to keep business afloat and people employed, its just ot possible. "

Is your policy to do nothing then? Are you vaccinated or planning to be?

We just have vaccines or restrictions to help to minimise the impact on us?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"No we need to stay in lockdown still this is under control or gone

It'll never be gone completely unfortunately, I just hope the vaccinations go a long to help control the effects.

We can't keep lingering in lockdown. As a country we can't afford to keep handing out money to keep business afloat and people employed, its just ot possible. "

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

After a year+ of covid,

90 % of the population have pulled together.

Not only have we had to deal with a Government that are at best incompetent.

We now have a situation where due to religious beliefs,Yes your religious beliefs really have proven to be a game changer ??

Individuals who regardless of the evidence staring them in the face,see this as some sort of global conspiracy .

Now with the Indian variation more than doubling in a few days,we could be very quickly back last March.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

i do not wish to belittle the situation but the newspaper report i have just read says 4 people have died from the indian strain. the article nor government have said what age they were. if they had pre existing conditions or if they were vaccinated. we need simple facts not scaremongery.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"i do not wish to belittle the situation but the newspaper report i have just read says 4 people have died from the indian strain. the article nor government have said what age they were. if they had pre existing conditions or if they were vaccinated. we need simple facts not scaremongery. "

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By *hagTonight OP Man
over a year ago

From the land of haribos.

I also want to add that the responsible thing is to stop the easing of the lockdown, but then how many businesses will survive? So it is kind of is a catch 22 thing, as many towns will become ghost towns. I wonder how it goes for the hospitality trade?

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By *entGent75Man
over a year ago

Dartford

I can hear the traffic outside, life is busy, shops are open, people are not locked in as seems to be the common whinge. We can see people, meet people so we are not imprisoned or devoid of human interaction. Yes we may need a hug, yes we may want to closer but it is what it is. If we have to adapt and change we need to do that. Sometimes in life, in generations gone by people have had to do things they don't want to do. Fight in wars, send their kids away for safety, really heart breaking stuff. We still have lots of freedoms, including access to food, deliveroo and Amazon. We are bloody lucky we are not stuck in looking at 4 walls and can binge netflix or listen to the news 24/7. It is putting things into some sort of perspective and looking at what is still available to us than what is not right now. These things will come back but it needs us all to be patient a bit more and to help (globally) to put a stick uo Covid's arse and kill it for good.

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By *asIsaCouple
over a year ago

harrow

"After a year+ of covid,

90 % of the population have pulled together.

Not only have we had to deal with a Government that are at best incompetent.

We now have a situation where due to religious beliefs,Yes your religious beliefs really have proven to be a game changer ??

Individuals who regardless of the evidence staring them in the face,see this as some sort of global conspiracy .

Now with the Indian variation more than doubling in a few days,we could be very quickly back last March.

Full lockdown by June a distinct possibility

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By *ost SockMan
over a year ago

West Wales and Cardiff

I think we are ok to be easing restrictions, but I think more honesty (yeah, I know!) and emphasis from government that there is a small chance things will go in the wrong direction is needed.

My job is related to this, and I’ve lived CV19 50+hours a week. Not an expert, but it gives some insight into what really underlies all this!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"After a year+ of covid,

90 % of the population have pulled together.

Not only have we had to deal with a Government that are at best incompetent.

We now have a situation where due to religious beliefs,Yes your religious beliefs really have proven to be a game changer ??

Individuals who regardless of the evidence staring them in the face,see this as some sort of global conspiracy .

Now with the Indian variation more than doubling in a few days,we could be very quickly back last March.

Full lockdown by June a distinct possibility "

No doubt you are one of those that enjoy the lockdowns!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I can hear the traffic outside, life is busy, shops are open, people are not locked in as seems to be the common whinge. We can see people, meet people so we are not imprisoned or devoid of human interaction. Yes we may need a hug, yes we may want to closer but it is what it is. If we have to adapt and change we need to do that. Sometimes in life, in generations gone by people have had to do things they don't want to do. Fight in wars, send their kids away for safety, really heart breaking stuff. We still have lots of freedoms, including access to food, deliveroo and Amazon. We are bloody lucky we are not stuck in looking at 4 walls and can binge netflix or listen to the news 24/7. It is putting things into some sort of perspective and looking at what is still available to us than what is not right now. These things will come back but it needs us all to be patient a bit more and to help (globally) to put a stick uo Covid's arse and kill it for good. "

agreed , i mean really other than a hug which for most is allowed from monday , what is it we dont have yet? the opportunity to shag at a club, nightclubs and holidays , yes nice to have but not exactly essential for life

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

India only went on the travel red list end of April...when they were registering 300,000 new cases per day...and here we are. We need to stick not twist right now to avoid lockdowns and protect lives and livelihoods

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"After a year+ of covid,

90 % of the population have pulled together.

Not only have we had to deal with a Government that are at best incompetent.

We now have a situation where due to religious beliefs,Yes your religious beliefs really have proven to be a game changer ??

Individuals who regardless of the evidence staring them in the face,see this as some sort of global conspiracy .

Now with the Indian variation more than doubling in a few days,we could be very quickly back last March.

But how with the level of vaccination we are at ? If the deaths remain at similar levels to what they are now then what is the concern ? A variant that might be more transmissible ? The papers have shouted this out every time a new variant is discovered. Did the South African one that was the new terror just a few months ago cause the end ? I truly hope we stick to the roadmap dates of reopening.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"After a year+ of covid,

90 % of the population have pulled together.

Not only have we had to deal with a Government that are at best incompetent.

We now have a situation where due to religious beliefs,Yes your religious beliefs really have proven to be a game changer ??

Individuals who regardless of the evidence staring them in the face,see this as some sort of global conspiracy .

Now with the Indian variation more than doubling in a few days,we could be very quickly back last March.

Full lockdown by June a distinct possibility "

Nonsense

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

O o O oo

"Before the elections boris said the road map is on track.

After the elections,bozo tells us we're all mugs for falling for his shit.

Well i never.

So you think he made all those folks travel and return from India and spread the virus.... That's some conspiracy even for Boris. "

No that's just a cock up of not stopping flights coming in earlier

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

O o O oo

"Before the elections boris said the road map is on track.

After the elections,bozo tells us we're all mugs for falling for his shit.

Well i never.

So you think he made all those folks travel and return from India and spread the virus.... That's some conspiracy even for Boris.

No that's just a cock up of not stopping flights coming in earlier"

Ps however the news of the new variant wasn't announced until the day after the local elections even though Sage had mentioned it the week before

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Just to point out,I never wrote on my post

'Full lock down by June'

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Before the elections boris said the road map is on track.

After the elections,bozo tells us we're all mugs for falling for his shit.

Well i never.

So you think he made all those folks travel and return from India and spread the virus.... That's some conspiracy even for Boris.

No that's just a cock up of not stopping flights coming in earlier

Ps however the news of the new variant wasn't announced until the day after the local elections even though Sage had mentioned it the week before"

really? i thought we had been discussing the indian variant for at least 3 weeks now and it had been confirmed at that point that at least a few cases were in the uk but meant to be isolating

i think its just getting more focus now the numbers have risen

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

yeah just checked and there was even a thread on here specifically about cases on indian variant in the uk, sharing a sky news article saying it could out easing of lockdown at risk ... 4 weeks ago

thats long before the elections

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Boris has said numerous times that the unlocking of restrictions is irreversible. Yes, he have said that too."

Johnson also has no problem with telling lies . They role of his tongue . In my opinion June the 21st will not happen

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By *olly_chromaticTV/TS
over a year ago

Stockport

June the 21st will happen the day after June 20th and the day before June 22nd. The longest day will come and go, we will start the slide downhill to winter and the shortest day. Will there be a removal of restrictions? Will there be a third, fourth, fifth wave? Will pandemic #2 hit before we have even got rid of pandemic #1?

The Earth will keep rolling around the Sun. In several hundred million years the Sun will swell into a red giant consuming Mercury, Venus, Earth and Moon. The human race will be long gone and forgotten. There will be no more June 21st, nor June 20th or June 22nd. The end of all songs.

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By *ucka39Man
over a year ago

Newcastle

I'm just wondering, given are people against the vaccine and that is their legal rights to refuse, as the age groups get lower it will eventually be children who would be up for receiving the opportunity to be vaccinated, I'm just wondering if in legal terms this would be a lawful or unlawful act refusing their child or children to be vaccinated or would this come under neglect failing to protect a child from serious harm of an infectious disease....

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"I'm just wondering, given are people against the vaccine and that is their legal rights to refuse, as the age groups get lower it will eventually be children who would be up for receiving the opportunity to be vaccinated, I'm just wondering if in legal terms this would be a lawful or unlawful act refusing their child or children to be vaccinated or would this come under neglect failing to protect a child from serious harm of an infectious disease...."

In this country parents generally have a right to choose for their children, but at a certain stage developmentally (Gillick competency) children also have a right to decide for themselves.

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By *reenleavesCouple
over a year ago

North Wales

I think any politician who claims to take any pandemic control measures off the table is an idiot. The virus doesn't care if we're bored of the restrictions and has no respect for our "roadmaps".

If we need to go back a step and reinstate local or national restrictions then so be it. It'll be an unpopular decision and politically damaging but putting poll ratings above health is psychotic. Making promises that you have no control over keeping is a fools errand.

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By *ucka39Man
over a year ago

Newcastle

In this country parents generally have a right to choose for their children, but at a certain stage developmentally (Gillick competency) children also have a right to decide for themselves."

Thanks for the update on the subject, I'm just concerned that it might involve in some kind of abuse if a child was willing to receive the vaccine and a parent actions prevent without anyone knowing also unless everything was carried out within the schools

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

The data takes time to produce if it's vrry finely detailed - the variant analysis is much slower than just getting PCR test results or NHS data.

B.1.617.2 is the variant that's causing problems - we're still uncertain of many things about it. Some data suggests it's much more transmissible than pur Kent variant that's now taking over the world. As data is somewhat sparse from India, we're having to learn as we go. The bad news is that its infection levels are rising very fast, doubling or more every week. Millions here are still unvaccinated, providing cannon fodder for the virus, if people are socialising widely. Anyone can get long covid and projections are what we have to rely on, predicting what could happen to the country. Having large volumes of people infected again gives the potential for new variants that could bypass the immunity that the vulnerable have gained from vaccination.

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By *ackformore100Man
over a year ago

Tin town

"Before the elections boris said the road map is on track.

After the elections,bozo tells us we're all mugs for falling for his shit.

Well i never.

So you think he made all those folks travel and return from India and spread the virus.... That's some conspiracy even for Boris.

No that's just a cock up of not stopping flights coming in earlier

Ps however the news of the new variant wasn't announced until the day after the local elections even though Sage had mentioned it the week before"

No sorry that's just factually incorrect. Indian variant has been in the news for many weeks. Threads have been on here for many weeks.

Election on May 6th...

Here's a link to BBC from April 18th...investigation of Indian variant in the UK...

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-56792740

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

O o O oo

"Before the elections boris said the road map is on track.

After the elections,bozo tells us we're all mugs for falling for his shit.

Well i never.

So you think he made all those folks travel and return from India and spread the virus.... That's some conspiracy even for Boris.

No that's just a cock up of not stopping flights coming in earlier

Ps however the news of the new variant wasn't announced until the day after the local elections even though Sage had mentioned it the week before

really? i thought we had been discussing the indian variant for at least 3 weeks now and it had been confirmed at that point that at least a few cases were in the uk but meant to be isolating

i think its just getting more focus now the numbers have risen "

We all knew it was here before that

It was that it was becoming more worrying as the cases were rising that was a few days to a week before.

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By *rincess PhoenixWoman
over a year ago

Southampton

"People are already ignoring restrictions! People are back to having house parties of more than 6 people/2 households even if they haven't been vaccinated and that is why we keep on having lockdowns

Yes but that's all someone else's fault. Probably Boris. Just because.

Most "Behavioural experts" state that the vast majority of the UK population have been following and observing the rules."

But people aren't going to admit doing something that will get them fined so the numbers will be skewed

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

O o O oo

"Before the elections boris said the road map is on track.

After the elections,bozo tells us we're all mugs for falling for his shit.

Well i never.

So you think he made all those folks travel and return from India and spread the virus.... That's some conspiracy even for Boris.

No that's just a cock up of not stopping flights coming in earlier

Ps however the news of the new variant wasn't announced until the day after the local elections even though Sage had mentioned it the week before

really? i thought we had been discussing the indian variant for at least 3 weeks now and it had been confirmed at that point that at least a few cases were in the uk but meant to be isolating

i think its just getting more focus now the numbers have risen

We all knew it was here before that

It was that it was becoming more worrying as the cases were rising that was a few days to a week before. "

PS according to Reuters they announced it on the 8th May

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By *pursChick aka ShortieWoman
over a year ago

On a mooch

In this country parents generally have a right to choose for their children, but at a certain stage developmentally (Gillick competency) children also have a right to decide for themselves.

Even when vaccines are carried out in schools they still need parental consent for it to be administered.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yes over 14 months of experience seems to have taught a lot of people precisely nothing about the constantly fluid and unpredictable situation. The only thing that is constant and predictable is the tired rhetoric of the entitled and dissatisfied.

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By *pursChick aka ShortieWoman
over a year ago

On a mooch

"Before the elections boris said the road map is on track.

After the elections,bozo tells us we're all mugs for falling for his shit.

Well i never.

So you think he made all those folks travel and return from India and spread the virus.... That's some conspiracy even for Boris.

No that's just a cock up of not stopping flights coming in earlier

Ps however the news of the new variant wasn't announced until the day after the local elections even though Sage had mentioned it the week before

No sorry that's just factually incorrect. Indian variant has been in the news for many weeks. Threads have been on here for many weeks.

Election on May 6th...

Here's a link to BBC from April 18th...investigation of Indian variant in the UK...

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-56792740

and the guardian were talking about it on the 15th

https://theguardian.com/world/2021/apr/15/covid-variant-first-detected-india-found-uk

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By *arakiss12TV/TS
over a year ago

Bedford

Is it true that the Indian variant was driven by the Kent variant?

Saw on the news the Indian variant is on course to reach Kents recent peak.

Lots of surge testing going on too. Not a good sign.

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

O o O oo

"Before the elections boris said the road map is on track.

After the elections,bozo tells us we're all mugs for falling for his shit.

Well i never.

So you think he made all those folks travel and return from India and spread the virus.... That's some conspiracy even for Boris.

No that's just a cock up of not stopping flights coming in earlier

Ps however the news of the new variant wasn't announced until the day after the local elections even though Sage had mentioned it the week before

No sorry that's just factually incorrect. Indian variant has been in the news for many weeks. Threads have been on here for many weeks.

Election on May 6th...

Here's a link to BBC from April 18th...investigation of Indian variant in the UK...

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-56792740

Ps however the news of the new variant and how it was becoming more of a worry wasn't announced until the day after the local elections even though Sage had mentioned it the week before

( rephrased for you )

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

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For the benefit of the tape, everyone knew the variant was here, the increased worry of it was not mentioned until the 8th

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By *ackformore100Man
over a year ago

Tin town

"Before the elections boris said the road map is on track.

After the elections,bozo tells us we're all mugs for falling for his shit.

Well i never.

So you think he made all those folks travel and return from India and spread the virus.... That's some conspiracy even for Boris.

No that's just a cock up of not stopping flights coming in earlier

Ps however the news of the new variant wasn't announced until the day after the local elections even though Sage had mentioned it the week before

No sorry that's just factually incorrect. Indian variant has been in the news for many weeks. Threads have been on here for many weeks.

Election on May 6th...

Here's a link to BBC from April 18th...investigation of Indian variant in the UK...

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-56792740

Ps however the news of the new variant and how it was becoming more of a worry wasn't announced until the day after the local elections even though Sage had mentioned it the week before

( rephrased for you )"

Sorry hadn't appreciated that we had to wait until we were told to worry. Facts are that we on fabs threads were "worried" and discussing it long before the elections. That it was all over the news long before the elections.

Facts are facts. If there is a suggestion that the news outlets didn't push the story until after the elections it is very clearly not accurate.

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By *ee And MikeCouple
over a year ago

Cannock

Unfortunately we live a pathetic woke country !

We’ve known about this Indian variant for months but instead of our borders being banged shut like Australia and New Zealand we’ve allowed thousands of people to flow back and forth to the Indian sub-continent. I personally know of someone who brought his family back from India and they did not quarantined for 10 days.

The initial cases of this variant have been linked to travel - fact - and the outbreak we have are in areas where we have large population of people of Indian sub-continent heritage and those people are the ones with the lowest take up of the vaccine in our general population.

Why isn’t this being stated more in the media, instead it’s pussy-footed around for fear of offending people. Fook the fact that we might end up back in another lockdown because we’ve let people swan backwards and forwards to the Indian sub-continent.

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over a year ago

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

O o O oo

"Before the elections boris said the road map is on track.

After the elections,bozo tells us we're all mugs for falling for his shit.

Well i never.

So you think he made all those folks travel and return from India and spread the virus.... That's some conspiracy even for Boris.

No that's just a cock up of not stopping flights coming in earlier

Ps however the news of the new variant wasn't announced until the day after the local elections even though Sage had mentioned it the week before

No sorry that's just factually incorrect. Indian variant has been in the news for many weeks. Threads have been on here for many weeks.

Election on May 6th...

Here's a link to BBC from April 18th...investigation of Indian variant in the UK...

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-56792740

Ps however the news of the new variant and how it was becoming more of a worry wasn't announced until the day after the local elections even though Sage had mentioned it the week before

( rephrased for you )

Facts are facts. If there is a suggestion that the news outlets didn't push the story until after the elections it is very clearly not accurate. "

I know I forgot I had to write every little thing in a post before people will stop picking. I will try and remember next time. If you read what I did write I said Sage were doing the worrying, not that you had to

I have clarified on further posts when I was challenged if you want to read those. If you don't believe the source I can't do anything about that

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

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https://www.reuters.com/world/uk/british-officials-warn-over-indian-coronavirus-variant-reports-2021-05-07/

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