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"You really have to ask that question ????.k . A lot of the ethnic minority are refusing the vaccine due to religious beliefs And they not having reg tests " Oh right I didn’t realise that Bolton was the only town with a large ethnic minority. | |||
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"You really have to ask that question ????.k . A lot of the ethnic minority are refusing the vaccine due to religious beliefs And they not having reg tests Oh right I didn’t realise that Bolton was the only town with a large ethnic minority." | |||
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"You really have to ask that question ????.k . A lot of the ethnic minority are refusing the vaccine due to religious beliefs And they not having reg tests Oh right I didn’t realise that Bolton was the only town with a large ethnic minority." You asked the question..you obvs wanted an answer.k | |||
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"You really have to ask that question ????.k . A lot of the ethnic minority are refusing the vaccine due to religious beliefs And they not having reg tests Oh right I didn’t realise that Bolton was the only town with a large ethnic minority." I think you mean Majority | |||
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"You really have to ask that question ????.k . A lot of the ethnic minority are refusing the vaccine due to religious beliefs And they not having reg tests Oh right I didn’t realise that Bolton was the only town with a large ethnic minority. You asked the question..you obvs wanted an answer.k" You gave the answer so convincingly...do you have evidence to back your answer? | |||
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"You really have to ask that question ????.k . A lot of the ethnic minority are refusing the vaccine due to religious beliefs And they not having reg tests Oh right I didn’t realise that Bolton was the only town with a large ethnic minority. I think you mean Majority " No I don’t. | |||
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"You really have to ask that question ????.k . A lot of the ethnic minority are refusing the vaccine due to religious beliefs And they not having reg tests Oh right I didn’t realise that Bolton was the only town with a large ethnic minority. I think you mean Majority " Last census Bolton was 92% white must have been a big big change. | |||
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"You really have to ask that question ????.k . A lot of the ethnic minority are refusing the vaccine due to religious beliefs And they not having reg tests Oh right I didn’t realise that Bolton was the only town with a large ethnic minority. You asked the question..you obvs wanted an answer.k You gave the answer so convincingly...do you have evidence to back your answer?" From the BBC analysis... This spike is related to international travel, particularly with people returning to Bolton from India. The cases are now in the community and it seems to be located around the south and south-west parts of the town. Interestingly, the cases are very much stacked in those under the age of 25. There were 721 cases reported yesterday in those aged five to 25. Part of this is because all the school children are testing twice a week, but it is very much present in that younger age group. | |||
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"You really have to ask that question ????.k . A lot of the ethnic minority are refusing the vaccine due to religious beliefs And they not having reg tests Oh right I didn’t realise that Bolton was the only town with a large ethnic minority. You asked the question..you obvs wanted an answer.k You gave the answer so convincingly...do you have evidence to back your answer? From the BBC analysis... This spike is related to international travel, particularly with people returning to Bolton from India. The cases are now in the community and it seems to be located around the south and south-west parts of the town. Interestingly, the cases are very much stacked in those under the age of 25. There were 721 cases reported yesterday in those aged five to 25. Part of this is because all the school children are testing twice a week, but it is very much present in that younger age group. " Anything about people refusing vaccines and not having regular tests? Funnily enough the spread in the area near to us is from a college of younger people too | |||
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"You really have to ask that question ????.k . A lot of the ethnic minority are refusing the vaccine due to religious beliefs And they not having reg tests Oh right I didn’t realise that Bolton was the only town with a large ethnic minority. You asked the question..you obvs wanted an answer.k You gave the answer so convincingly...do you have evidence to back your answer? From the BBC analysis... This spike is related to international travel, particularly with people returning to Bolton from India. The cases are now in the community and it seems to be located around the south and south-west parts of the town. Interestingly, the cases are very much stacked in those under the age of 25. There were 721 cases reported yesterday in those aged five to 25. Part of this is because all the school children are testing twice a week, but it is very much present in that younger age group. Anything about people refusing vaccines and not having regular tests? Funnily enough the spread in the area near to us is from a college of younger people too" Not yet... But seek and ye shall find. I've only just seen the BBC story and BBC aren't always the most accurate of sources... | |||
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"You really have to ask that question ????.k . A lot of the ethnic minority are refusing the vaccine due to religious beliefs And they not having reg tests Oh right I didn’t realise that Bolton was the only town with a large ethnic minority. You asked the question..you obvs wanted an answer.k You gave the answer so convincingly...do you have evidence to back your answer?" Personally no...but i dont just read the forums for info. I read the news on bbc and sky | |||
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"You really have to ask that question ????.k . A lot of the ethnic minority are refusing the vaccine due to religious beliefs And they not having reg tests Oh right I didn’t realise that Bolton was the only town with a large ethnic minority. You asked the question..you obvs wanted an answer.k You gave the answer so convincingly...do you have evidence to back your answer? From the BBC analysis... This spike is related to international travel, particularly with people returning to Bolton from India. The cases are now in the community and it seems to be located around the south and south-west parts of the town. Interestingly, the cases are very much stacked in those under the age of 25. There were 721 cases reported yesterday in those aged five to 25. Part of this is because all the school children are testing twice a week, but it is very much present in that younger age group. Anything about people refusing vaccines and not having regular tests? Funnily enough the spread in the area near to us is from a college of younger people too Not yet... But seek and ye shall find. I've only just seen the BBC story and BBC aren't always the most accurate of sources... " thank you for putting that up.. nice to know im not only 1 that sees it | |||
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"You really have to ask that question ????.k . A lot of the ethnic minority are refusing the vaccine due to religious beliefs And they not having reg tests Oh right I didn’t realise that Bolton was the only town with a large ethnic minority. You asked the question..you obvs wanted an answer.k You gave the answer so convincingly...do you have evidence to back your answer? From the BBC analysis... This spike is related to international travel, particularly with people returning to Bolton from India. The cases are now in the community and it seems to be located around the south and south-west parts of the town. Interestingly, the cases are very much stacked in those under the age of 25. There were 721 cases reported yesterday in those aged five to 25. Part of this is because all the school children are testing twice a week, but it is very much present in that younger age group. Anything about people refusing vaccines and not having regular tests? Funnily enough the spread in the area near to us is from a college of younger people too" But it is one of those "no shit sherlock" moments isn't it..? . Indian variant found in Indian community having just returned from India...which is in the middle of a huge outbreak of Indian variant covid cases. Hmmm hindsight a wonderful thing but surely could have been avoided if we just stopped all travel from India for a while when it was first identified.... 6 weeks ago | |||
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"You really have to ask that question ????.k . A lot of the ethnic minority are refusing the vaccine due to religious beliefs And they not having reg tests Oh right I didn’t realise that Bolton was the only town with a large ethnic minority. You asked the question..you obvs wanted an answer.k You gave the answer so convincingly...do you have evidence to back your answer? From the BBC analysis... This spike is related to international travel, particularly with people returning to Bolton from India. The cases are now in the community and it seems to be located around the south and south-west parts of the town. Interestingly, the cases are very much stacked in those under the age of 25. There were 721 cases reported yesterday in those aged five to 25. Part of this is because all the school children are testing twice a week, but it is very much present in that younger age group. Anything about people refusing vaccines and not having regular tests? Funnily enough the spread in the area near to us is from a college of younger people too But it is one of those "no shit sherlock" moments isn't it..? . Indian variant found in Indian community having just returned from India...which is in the middle of a huge outbreak of Indian variant covid cases. Hmmm hindsight a wonderful thing but surely could have been avoided if we just stopped all travel from India for a while when it was first identified.... 6 weeks ago" Well to be fair, that isn't what I was questioning. I was questioning the comment of "You really have to ask that question ????.k . A lot of the ethnic minority are refusing the vaccine due to religious beliefs And they not having reg tests" Where the virus was brought in is different to the statement above. | |||
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"You really have to ask that question ????.k . A lot of the ethnic minority are refusing the vaccine due to religious beliefs And they not having reg tests Oh right I didn’t realise that Bolton was the only town with a large ethnic minority. You asked the question..you obvs wanted an answer.k You gave the answer so convincingly...do you have evidence to back your answer? From the BBC analysis... This spike is related to international travel, particularly with people returning to Bolton from India. The cases are now in the community and it seems to be located around the south and south-west parts of the town. Interestingly, the cases are very much stacked in those under the age of 25. There were 721 cases reported yesterday in those aged five to 25. Part of this is because all the school children are testing twice a week, but it is very much present in that younger age group. Anything about people refusing vaccines and not having regular tests? Funnily enough the spread in the area near to us is from a college of younger people too Not yet... But seek and ye shall find. I've only just seen the BBC story and BBC aren't always the most accurate of sources... thank you for putting that up.. nice to know im not only 1 that sees it " That wasn't what you said though | |||
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"You really have to ask that question ????.k . A lot of the ethnic minority are refusing the vaccine due to religious beliefs And they not having reg tests Oh right I didn’t realise that Bolton was the only town with a large ethnic minority. You asked the question..you obvs wanted an answer.k You gave the answer so convincingly...do you have evidence to back your answer? Personally no...but i dont just read the forums for info. I read the news on bbc and sky " Most people get their info elsewhere, which site and I can go see what they are saying? | |||
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" The variant of concern from India has been present in the UK for quite some time. Its numbers are doubling every week, week after week. We don't know mum about its real world affect on immunity, from jab or prior infection. We should be concerned, as this is a potential bigger problem for us. Delaying action will cost dearly. But some people don't want to lose out on pubs next week etc. " Yes, it is popping up in lots of areas just as we are opening up | |||
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"You really have to ask that question ????.k . A lot of the ethnic minority are refusing the vaccine due to religious beliefs And they not having reg tests Oh right I didn’t realise that Bolton was the only town with a large ethnic minority. You asked the question..you obvs wanted an answer.k You gave the answer so convincingly...do you have evidence to back your answer? Personally no...but i dont just read the forums for info. I read the news on bbc and sky Most people get their info elsewhere, which site and I can go see what they are saying?" Well in fairness there have been govt and local NHS working parties set up for months to encourage particular ethnic minorities to take the vaccine as uptake levels were lower. If you Google bame vaccine hesitancy it will thrown up a few of those articles from a month ago... Not sure if that answers your question though. | |||
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"You really have to ask that question ????.k . A lot of the ethnic minority are refusing the vaccine due to religious beliefs And they not having reg tests Oh right I didn’t realise that Bolton was the only town with a large ethnic minority. You asked the question..you obvs wanted an answer.k You gave the answer so convincingly...do you have evidence to back your answer? Personally no...but i dont just read the forums for info. I read the news on bbc and sky Most people get their info elsewhere, which site and I can go see what they are saying? Well in fairness there have been govt and local NHS working parties set up for months to encourage particular ethnic minorities to take the vaccine as uptake levels were lower. If you Google bame vaccine hesitancy it will thrown up a few of those articles from a month ago... Not sure if that answers your question though. " Not really no. It was a specific question to a post that claimed this was the reason for Bolton. I am aware some people and communities have been reluctant to have the vaccine | |||
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" The variant of concern from India has been present in the UK for quite some time. Its numbers are doubling every week, week after week. We don't know mum about its real world affect on immunity, from jab or prior infection. We should be concerned, as this is a potential bigger problem for us. Delaying action will cost dearly. But some people don't want to lose out on pubs next week etc. Yes, it is popping up in lots of areas just as we are opening up" It's a tough 1 Rugby. If we delay targeted action at the areas with increasing numbers of people with the variant, we risk having a problem that gets ever harder to manage. If we delay reopening society back up, we hit the economy and public opinion again. Part of the problem is that the genetic testing for variants adds an extra delay, before we get to know the reality of local situations - we're already put into a position of trying to play catchup. If I was in charge, I'd apologise for messing up plans but would delay the next stage, whilst doing major local testing in the hotspots, to gauge the reality ASAP. It would keep England on an equal footing, without local variation. We can only be powerful if we understand where we're at and decide what we need to do about it, in my opinion. I'm guessing that things will not change much publicly and we'll reopen more next week. I'm not sure we've been strong at learning from our experience and that kicking stuff out into the future, possibly to deal with it then, remains more attractive still. | |||
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" The variant of concern from India has been present in the UK for quite some time. Its numbers are doubling every week, week after week. We don't know mum about its real world affect on immunity, from jab or prior infection. We should be concerned, as this is a potential bigger problem for us. Delaying action will cost dearly. But some people don't want to lose out on pubs next week etc. Yes, it is popping up in lots of areas just as we are opening up It's a tough 1 Rugby. If we delay targeted action at the areas with increasing numbers of people with the variant, we risk having a problem that gets ever harder to manage. If we delay reopening society back up, we hit the economy and public opinion again. Part of the problem is that the genetic testing for variants adds an extra delay, before we get to know the reality of local situations - we're already put into a position of trying to play catchup. If I was in charge, I'd apologise for messing up plans but would delay the next stage, whilst doing major local testing in the hotspots, to gauge the reality ASAP. It would keep England on an equal footing, without local variation. We can only be powerful if we understand where we're at and decide what we need to do about it, in my opinion. I'm guessing that things will not change much publicly and we'll reopen more next week. I'm not sure we've been strong at learning from our experience and that kicking stuff out into the future, possibly to deal with it then, remains more attractive still. " You make sense. I think it was reported that they knew about this last week so I was surprised the opening up was still going ahead Looking at the numbers and how it has rapidly spread, it is worrying. I think I would have rather they delayed it if there is a chance we open up and then have to go back in again as that will be worse for me. What a nightmare. | |||
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" The variant of concern from India has been present in the UK for quite some time. Its numbers are doubling every week, week after week. We don't know mum about its real world affect on immunity, from jab or prior infection. We should be concerned, as this is a potential bigger problem for us. Delaying action will cost dearly. But some people don't want to lose out on pubs next week etc. Yes, it is popping up in lots of areas just as we are opening up It's a tough 1 Rugby. If we delay targeted action at the areas with increasing numbers of people with the variant, we risk having a problem that gets ever harder to manage. If we delay reopening society back up, we hit the economy and public opinion again. Part of the problem is that the genetic testing for variants adds an extra delay, before we get to know the reality of local situations - we're already put into a position of trying to play catchup. If I was in charge, I'd apologise for messing up plans but would delay the next stage, whilst doing major local testing in the hotspots, to gauge the reality ASAP. It would keep England on an equal footing, without local variation. We can only be powerful if we understand where we're at and decide what we need to do about it, in my opinion. I'm guessing that things will not change much publicly and we'll reopen more next week. I'm not sure we've been strong at learning from our experience and that kicking stuff out into the future, possibly to deal with it then, remains more attractive still. You make sense. I think it was reported that they knew about this last week so I was surprised the opening up was still going ahead Looking at the numbers and how it has rapidly spread, it is worrying. I think I would have rather they delayed it if there is a chance we open up and then have to go back in again as that will be worse for me. What a nightmare." Bolton businesses are very worried about being closed again. We've never been out of restrictions, we didn't "unlock" in July at the same time and had high level restrictions for the whole time outside of national lockdowns. Businesses cannot cope. But we can't have unfettered spread either. | |||
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" Bolton businesses are very worried about being closed again. We've never been out of restrictions, we didn't "unlock" in July at the same time and had high level restrictions for the whole time outside of national lockdowns. Businesses cannot cope. But we can't have unfettered spread either. " I think there were a couple of other areas who have had the same, we all think it was bad for us all but it must be worse for the areas who didn't even make it out of lockdown . These business's might never survive this | |||
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" Bolton businesses are very worried about being closed again. We've never been out of restrictions, we didn't "unlock" in July at the same time and had high level restrictions for the whole time outside of national lockdowns. Businesses cannot cope. But we can't have unfettered spread either. I think there were a couple of other areas who have had the same, we all think it was bad for us all but it must be worse for the areas who didn't even make it out of lockdown . These business's might never survive this" Only Bolton and Leicester had special legislation drafted for them, as far as I recall..... Basically, we've been in a lockdown, additional local restrictions (similar to lockdown) or tier 3 since March 2020... | |||
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"I'm guessing we all have a view's on this.Its fairly obvious from day 1,that certain areas and communities in the country, were reluctant to adhere to Government guidelines on lockdown. " 
Middle aged white men and women shagging strangers on a sex site in lockdown. | |||
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"I'm guessing we all have a view's on this.Its fairly obvious from day 1,that certain areas and communities in the country, were reluctant to adhere to Government guidelines on lockdown.
Middle aged white men and women shagging strangers on a sex site in lockdown. "Is there a problem with a covid outbreak in middle aged white men? I haven't seen it reported anywhere. | |||
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"You really have to ask that question ????.k . A lot of the ethnic minority are refusing the vaccine due to religious beliefs And they not having reg tests " Exactly this. How long until the penny drops with them??.  | |||
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"You really have to ask that question ????.k . A lot of the ethnic minority are refusing the vaccine due to religious beliefs And they not having reg tests Exactly this. How long until the penny drops with them??. "So it's only members of the Asian community testing positive then. I haven't seen that break down in the news. Just by age group. | |||
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"You really have to ask that question ????.k . A lot of the ethnic minority are refusing the vaccine due to religious beliefs And they not having reg tests Exactly this. How long until the penny drops with them??.
So it's only members of the Asian community testing positive then. I haven't seen that break down in the news. Just by age group." | |||
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"You really have to ask that question ????.k . A lot of the ethnic minority are refusing the vaccine due to religious beliefs And they not having reg tests Oh right I didn’t realise that Bolton was the only town with a large ethnic minority. I think you mean Majority Last census Bolton was 92% white must have been a big big change." Where are you getting that figure from? | |||
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"You really have to ask that question ????.k . A lot of the ethnic minority are refusing the vaccine due to religious beliefs And they not having reg tests Oh right I didn’t realise that Bolton was the only town with a large ethnic minority. I think you mean Majority Last census Bolton was 92% white must have been a big big change. Where are you getting that figure from? " An equality report from Bolton council (that I cannot link to) in 2018 states that 83% of Bolton residents describe themselves as white British or another white background. 7.8% of the population had Indian backgrounds whilst 4.3% had Pakistani backgrounds. This is as up to date as I can find without this year's Census data being available. Bolton was very different 10 years ago in many, many ways. | |||
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" Bolton businesses are very worried about being closed again. We've never been out of restrictions, we didn't "unlock" in July at the same time and had high level restrictions for the whole time outside of national lockdowns. Businesses cannot cope. But we can't have unfettered spread either. I think there were a couple of other areas who have had the same, we all think it was bad for us all but it must be worse for the areas who didn't even make it out of lockdown . These business's might never survive this Only Bolton and Leicester had special legislation drafted for them, as far as I recall..... Basically, we've been in a lockdown, additional local restrictions (similar to lockdown) or tier 3 since March 2020..." For some reason Blackburn is springing to mind too but I could be getting my places beginning with B mixed up | |||
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" Bolton businesses are very worried about being closed again. We've never been out of restrictions, we didn't "unlock" in July at the same time and had high level restrictions for the whole time outside of national lockdowns. Businesses cannot cope. But we can't have unfettered spread either. I think there were a couple of other areas who have had the same, we all think it was bad for us all but it must be worse for the areas who didn't even make it out of lockdown . These business's might never survive this Only Bolton and Leicester had special legislation drafted for them, as far as I recall..... Basically, we've been in a lockdown, additional local restrictions (similar to lockdown) or tier 3 since March 2020... For some reason Blackburn is springing to mind too but I could be getting my places beginning with B mixed up" Blackburn didn't have specific legislation written for it, as far as I can see (did a search on gov.uk). They made use of provisions already existing within the Coronavirus Act and tried ward by ward restrictions, but apparently no-one knows what electoral ward they live in and I think they abandoned it when Tier 3 came in across Lancashire. | |||
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"You really have to ask that question ????.k . A lot of the ethnic minority are refusing the vaccine due to religious beliefs And they not having reg tests Oh right I didn’t realise that Bolton was the only town with a large ethnic minority. You asked the question..you obvs wanted an answer.k You gave the answer so convincingly...do you have evidence to back your answer? From the BBC analysis... This spike is related to international travel, particularly with people returning to Bolton from India. The cases are now in the community and it seems to be located around the south and south-west parts of the town. Interestingly, the cases are very much stacked in those under the age of 25. There were 721 cases reported yesterday in those aged five to 25. Part of this is because all the school children are testing twice a week, but it is very much present in that younger age group. Anything about people refusing vaccines and not having regular tests? Funnily enough the spread in the area near to us is from a college of younger people too But it is one of those "no shit sherlock" moments isn't it..? . Indian variant found in Indian community having just returned from India...which is in the middle of a huge outbreak of Indian variant covid cases. Hmmm hindsight a wonderful thing but surely could have been avoided if we just stopped all travel from India for a while when it was first identified.... 6 weeks ago" Absolutely this!
You gotta wonder why the delay in bringing in quarantine for flights from India. Surely it couldn't have anything to do with billionaire/millionaire Indian business owners wanting to quickly escape India and get into UK? I mean I am sure it has nothing to do with Rishi Sunak’s billionaire father-in-law! Apparently he is changing his name to Imal Ritjack.
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"They, the government have been too slow in reacting throughout this pandemic.. Poor management at one of the most basic functions they are responsible for.." and yet other threads have people shouting down folk as being ridiculous and bed wetters for wondering if an increase in cases just now means the govt should reconsider the june date for lifting all restrictions and be cautious instead the problem is in a democracy where you need to get re-elected, its a constant plate spinning exercise of trying to keep enough voters happy that you get re-elected not that i am advocating for removal of democracy or anything , but in situations like this where its a bit like your mum grounding you for the weekend for your own good , its hard for them to do things that they know wont be the popular choice because the system is designed for exactly the popular choice to win | |||
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"This Indian variant is suspected of being more transmissible than the Kent variant, giving rise to the large increases of it. Without people living in difficult situations, of housing problems, income inequality etc, this is cause for concern, just as we are about to open things up. You may have escaped infection last time but the same level of contact with people now could be enough to let you gain infection. Younger people who aren't vaccinated, could be the typical unlucky people who could manage to get infected, whilst out in greater proximity to more people from Monday. " i was reading an article yesterday that confirmed the age group up to 25 were seeing higher than others level of infections at the moment , it was caveated though that that age group have higher level of testing due testing for education etc | |||
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"You really have to ask that question ????.k . A lot of the ethnic minority are refusing the vaccine due to religious beliefs And they not having reg tests Oh right I didn’t realise that Bolton was the only town with a large ethnic minority. You asked the question..you obvs wanted an answer.k You gave the answer so convincingly...do you have evidence to back your answer? From the BBC analysis... This spike is related to international travel, particularly with people returning to Bolton from India. The cases are now in the community and it seems to be located around the south and south-west parts of the town. Interestingly, the cases are very much stacked in those under the age of 25. There were 721 cases reported yesterday in those aged five to 25. Part of this is because all the school children are testing twice a week, but it is very much present in that younger age group. Anything about people refusing vaccines and not having regular tests? Funnily enough the spread in the area near to us is from a college of younger people too But it is one of those "no shit sherlock" moments isn't it..? . Indian variant found in Indian community having just returned from India...which is in the middle of a huge outbreak of Indian variant covid cases. Hmmm hindsight a wonderful thing but surely could have been avoided if we just stopped all travel from India for a while when it was first identified.... 6 weeks ago Absolutely this!
You gotta wonder why the delay in bringing in quarantine for flights from India. Surely it couldn't have anything to do with billionaire/millionaire Indian business owners wanting to quickly escape India and get into UK? I mean I am sure it has nothing to do with Rishi Sunak’s billionaire father-in-law! Apparently he is changing his name to Imal Ritjack.
"Quarantine has been required for months for all international arrivals. The people are spreading it. The government should just completely lock down the country for 6 months. Only the emergency services and hospitals working. The army can drop off bags of food in tins once a week. | |||
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"They, the government have been too slow in reacting throughout this pandemic.. Poor management at one of the most basic functions they are responsible for.. and yet other threads have people shouting down folk as being ridiculous and bed wetters for wondering if an increase in cases just now means the govt should reconsider the june date for lifting all restrictions and be cautious instead the problem is in a democracy where you need to get re-elected, its a constant plate spinning exercise of trying to keep enough voters happy that you get re-elected not that i am advocating for removal of democracy or anything , but in situations like this where its a bit like your mum grounding you for the weekend for your own good , its hard for them to do things that they know wont be the popular choice because the system is designed for exactly the popular choice to win " Following the Queen’s Speech and BJ stating the Tories are "Renewing democracy" - Requiring ID to tackle voter fraud that doesn't exist - Limiting peaceful protest - Weakening ability of lawyers to take gov to court - Reverting mayoral & PCC elections to FPTP So basically Removing our right to protest at the ballot box on the streets & in the courts! | |||
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"They, the government have been too slow in reacting throughout this pandemic.. Poor management at one of the most basic functions they are responsible for.. and yet other threads have people shouting down folk as being ridiculous and bed wetters for wondering if an increase in cases just now means the govt should reconsider the june date for lifting all restrictions and be cautious instead the problem is in a democracy where you need to get re-elected, its a constant plate spinning exercise of trying to keep enough voters happy that you get re-elected not that i am advocating for removal of democracy or anything , but in situations like this where its a bit like your mum grounding you for the weekend for your own good , its hard for them to do things that they know wont be the popular choice because the system is designed for exactly the popular choice to win " Would go with 'we' have allowed such to be the case, we want shorter waiting times for hospitals, we want faster and more efficient transport etc etc but we don't seem to want to accept that such things cost.. So we fall for the nonsense that is a low taxation party.. On the point of people coming back from India, it was being widely reported some were coming via Turkey and other places to avoid isolation given the red status and whilst it's not easy it's surely not beyond a Government to instruct special attention and to quarantine at the tax payers expense if that's why some were taking that route.. | |||
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"You really have to ask that question ????.k . A lot of the ethnic minority are refusing the vaccine due to religious beliefs And they not having reg tests Oh right I didn’t realise that Bolton was the only town with a large ethnic minority. You asked the question..you obvs wanted an answer.k You gave the answer so convincingly...do you have evidence to back your answer? From the BBC analysis... This spike is related to international travel, particularly with people returning to Bolton from India. The cases are now in the community and it seems to be located around the south and south-west parts of the town. Interestingly, the cases are very much stacked in those under the age of 25. There were 721 cases reported yesterday in those aged five to 25. Part of this is because all the school children are testing twice a week, but it is very much present in that younger age group. Anything about people refusing vaccines and not having regular tests? Funnily enough the spread in the area near to us is from a college of younger people too But it is one of those "no shit sherlock" moments isn't it..? . Indian variant found in Indian community having just returned from India...which is in the middle of a huge outbreak of Indian variant covid cases. Hmmm hindsight a wonderful thing but surely could have been avoided if we just stopped all travel from India for a while when it was first identified.... 6 weeks ago Absolutely this!
You gotta wonder why the delay in bringing in quarantine for flights from India. Surely it couldn't have anything to do with billionaire/millionaire Indian business owners wanting to quickly escape India and get into UK? I mean I am sure it has nothing to do with Rishi Sunak’s billionaire father-in-law! Apparently he is changing his name to Imal Ritjack.
Quarantine has been required for months for all international arrivals.
The people are spreading it.
The government should just completely lock down the country for 6 months. Only the emergency services and hospitals working. The army can drop off bags of food in tins once a week. "I wonder how many have actually quarantined that is the issue. If it was an amber country they probably went home and done what they usual do. It does raise big questions | |||
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"Cases of the India variant in England had increased from 202 to 520 as of May 7, PHE said, with almost half related to travel or contact with a traveller This stat really sums up why people are fed up with people taking the piss. So you telling me all these people had essential travel to India. Tbh recently I saw 4 people being interviewed on the news, and all 4 had gone to India for a funeral. Why are people travelling at the moment. We all would like to see family abroad but it is a complete joke " I believe people should be allowed to travel for extreme circumstances. Funerals being one. It’s how the UK have handled people coming back that’s the problem IMO! X | |||
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"They, the government have been too slow in reacting throughout this pandemic.. Poor management at one of the most basic functions they are responsible for.. and yet other threads have people shouting down folk as being ridiculous and bed wetters for wondering if an increase in cases just now means the govt should reconsider the june date for lifting all restrictions and be cautious instead the problem is in a democracy where you need to get re-elected, its a constant plate spinning exercise of trying to keep enough voters happy that you get re-elected not that i am advocating for removal of democracy or anything , but in situations like this where its a bit like your mum grounding you for the weekend for your own good , its hard for them to do things that they know wont be the popular choice because the system is designed for exactly the popular choice to win Following the Queen’s Speech and BJ stating the Tories are "Renewing democracy" - Requiring ID to tackle voter fraud that doesn't exist - Limiting peaceful protest - Weakening ability of lawyers to take gov to court - Reverting mayoral & PCC elections to FPTP So basically Removing our right to protest at the ballot box on the streets & in the courts!" And by and large the press are stone cold silent.. | |||
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"Cases of the India variant in England had increased from 202 to 520 as of May 7, PHE said, with almost half related to travel or contact with a traveller This stat really sums up why people are fed up with people taking the piss. So you telling me all these people had essential travel to India. Tbh recently I saw 4 people being interviewed on the news, and all 4 had gone to India for a funeral. Why are people travelling at the moment. We all would like to see family abroad but it is a complete joke I believe people should be allowed to travel for extreme circumstances. Funerals being one. It’s how the UK have handled people coming back that’s the problem IMO! X" People should have been made to quarantine in a government location for 10 days lol. Clearly what happened was that people went home and fooked the quarantine off | |||
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"As well as targeted testing, targeted vaccination below the age groups nationally being currently done should take place in areas where outbreaks of this variant are prevalent.." Not in Bolton - Govt declined targeted vaccination. | |||
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"Cases of the India variant in England had increased from 202 to 520 as of May 7, PHE said, with almost half related to travel or contact with a traveller This stat really sums up why people are fed up with people taking the piss. So you telling me all these people had essential travel to India. Tbh recently I saw 4 people being interviewed on the news, and all 4 had gone to India for a funeral. Why are people travelling at the moment. We all would like to see family abroad but it is a complete joke I believe people should be allowed to travel for extreme circumstances. Funerals being one. It’s how the UK have handled people coming back that’s the problem IMO! X People should have been made to quarantine in a government location for 10 days lol. Clearly what happened was that people went home and fooked the quarantine off " Surely the people not isolating bear the responsibility... At some point people have to take responsibility for their actions. Or.... Shut the fucking borders to India....and any connections from there..... To say this was predicted doesn't give anyone any pleasure but if they can't be trusted then stoo the travel completely. | |||
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"Cases of the India variant in England had increased from 202 to 520 as of May 7, PHE said, with almost half related to travel or contact with a traveller This stat really sums up why people are fed up with people taking the piss. So you telling me all these people had essential travel to India. Tbh recently I saw 4 people being interviewed on the news, and all 4 had gone to India for a funeral. Why are people travelling at the moment. We all would like to see family abroad but it is a complete joke I believe people should be allowed to travel for extreme circumstances. Funerals being one. It’s how the UK have handled people coming back that’s the problem IMO! X People should have been made to quarantine in a government location for 10 days lol. Clearly what happened was that people went home and fooked the quarantine off Surely the people not isolating bear the responsibility... At some point people have to take responsibility for their actions. Or.... Shut the fucking borders to India....and any connections from there..... To say this was predicted doesn't give anyone any pleasure but if they can't be trusted then stoo the travel completely. " But Rishi’s Daddy in law needed to escape from India first! | |||
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"Cases of the India variant in England had increased from 202 to 520 as of May 7, PHE said, with almost half related to travel or contact with a traveller This stat really sums up why people are fed up with people taking the piss. So you telling me all these people had essential travel to India. Tbh recently I saw 4 people being interviewed on the news, and all 4 had gone to India for a funeral. Why are people travelling at the moment. We all would like to see family abroad but it is a complete joke I believe people should be allowed to travel for extreme circumstances. Funerals being one. It’s how the UK have handled people coming back that’s the problem IMO! X People should have been made to quarantine in a government location for 10 days lol. Clearly what happened was that people went home and fooked the quarantine off Surely the people not isolating bear the responsibility... At some point people have to take responsibility for their actions. Or.... Shut the fucking borders to India....and any connections from there..... To say this was predicted doesn't give anyone any pleasure but if they can't be trusted then stoo the travel completely. " Your always going to have people that don’t stick to it or care about any responsibility. IMO travel from everywhere should have been banned EXCEPT in extreme or extenuating circumstances. But we all know that lol! Pointless convo now x | |||
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"Cases of the India variant in England had increased from 202 to 520 as of May 7, PHE said, with almost half related to travel or contact with a traveller This stat really sums up why people are fed up with people taking the piss. So you telling me all these people had essential travel to India. Tbh recently I saw 4 people being interviewed on the news, and all 4 had gone to India for a funeral. Why are people travelling at the moment. We all would like to see family abroad but it is a complete joke I believe people should be allowed to travel for extreme circumstances. Funerals being one. It’s how the UK have handled people coming back that’s the problem IMO! X People should have been made to quarantine in a government location for 10 days lol. Clearly what happened was that people went home and fooked the quarantine off Surely the people not isolating bear the responsibility... At some point people have to take responsibility for their actions. Or.... Shut the fucking borders to India....and any connections from there..... To say this was predicted doesn't give anyone any pleasure but if they can't be trusted then stoo the travel completely. " It's the fault of the people not doing the quarantine. It's not Boris's job to stand outside their door and make sure they don't go out. | |||
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"They, the government have been too slow in reacting throughout this pandemic.. Poor management at one of the most basic functions they are responsible for.." Or timing doesn't work for them. They seem to have sat on this until the local elections were over | |||
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"They, the government have been too slow in reacting throughout this pandemic.. Poor management at one of the most basic functions they are responsible for.. Or timing doesn't work for them. They seem to have sat on this until the local elections were over" Possibly yes.. Could see why they might.. | |||
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"Cases of the India variant in England had increased from 202 to 520 as of May 7, PHE said, with almost half related to travel or contact with a traveller This stat really sums up why people are fed up with people taking the piss. So you telling me all these people had essential travel to India. Tbh recently I saw 4 people being interviewed on the news, and all 4 had gone to India for a funeral. Why are people travelling at the moment. We all would like to see family abroad but it is a complete joke I believe people should be allowed to travel for extreme circumstances. Funerals being one. It’s how the UK have handled people coming back that’s the problem IMO! X People should have been made to quarantine in a government location for 10 days lol. Clearly what happened was that people went home and fooked the quarantine off Surely the people not isolating bear the responsibility... At some point people have to take responsibility for their actions. Or.... Shut the fucking borders to India....and any connections from there..... To say this was predicted doesn't give anyone any pleasure but if they can't be trusted then stoo the travel completely. But Rishi’s Daddy in law needed to escape from India first!" Even if that were the case that doesn't excuse the 1000s a day that were allowed to arrive for 4 to 6 weeks after the outbreak had started. It doesn't excuse that the borders weren't sealed and it sure as shit doesn't excuse those arriving and not isolating or quarantining. And now look where we are heading... Again. | |||
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"Cases of the India variant in England had increased from 202 to 520 as of May 7, PHE said, with almost half related to travel or contact with a traveller This stat really sums up why people are fed up with people taking the piss. So you telling me all these people had essential travel to India. Tbh recently I saw 4 people being interviewed on the news, and all 4 had gone to India for a funeral. Why are people travelling at the moment. We all would like to see family abroad but it is a complete joke I believe people should be allowed to travel for extreme circumstances. Funerals being one. It’s how the UK have handled people coming back that’s the problem IMO! X People should have been made to quarantine in a government location for 10 days lol. Clearly what happened was that people went home and fooked the quarantine off Surely the people not isolating bear the responsibility... At some point people have to take responsibility for their actions. Or.... Shut the fucking borders to India....and any connections from there..... To say this was predicted doesn't give anyone any pleasure but if they can't be trusted then stoo the travel completely. But Rishi’s Daddy in law needed to escape from India first! Even if that were the case that doesn't excuse the 1000s a day that were allowed to arrive for 4 to 6 weeks after the outbreak had started. It doesn't excuse that the borders weren't sealed and it sure as shit doesn't excuse those arriving and not isolating or quarantining. And now look where we are heading... Again. " Absolutely agree. As soon as India started going tits up ALL travel to and from should have been banned. It wasn’t! Ask why? 1. Boris’ trade deal promo tour to India that then got cancelled with a week before rules changed. 2. Those rules took a week to come into effect because... wealthy Indians needed time to sort their affairs and get out of India... wealthy Indians = Tory party donors (or familial connections). Basically another example of how inept, corrupt and morally bankrupt this current UK Govt is! We will all pay for this if the Indian variant takes hold in UK | |||
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"They, the government have been too slow in reacting throughout this pandemic.. Poor management at one of the most basic functions they are responsible for.. and yet other threads have people shouting down folk as being ridiculous and bed wetters for wondering if an increase in cases just now means the govt should reconsider the june date for lifting all restrictions and be cautious instead the problem is in a democracy where you need to get re-elected, its a constant plate spinning exercise of trying to keep enough voters happy that you get re-elected not that i am advocating for removal of democracy or anything , but in situations like this where its a bit like your mum grounding you for the weekend for your own good , its hard for them to do things that they know wont be the popular choice because the system is designed for exactly the popular choice to win Would go with 'we' have allowed such to be the case, we want shorter waiting times for hospitals, we want faster and more efficient transport etc etc but we don't seem to want to accept that such things cost.. So we fall for the nonsense that is a low taxation party.. On the point of people coming back from India, it was being widely reported some were coming via Turkey and other places to avoid isolation given the red status and whilst it's not easy it's surely not beyond a Government to instruct special attention and to quarantine at the tax payers expense if that's why some were taking that route.." | |||
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"Cases of the India variant in England had increased from 202 to 520 as of May 7, PHE said, with almost half related to travel or contact with a traveller This stat really sums up why people are fed up with people taking the piss. So you telling me all these people had essential travel to India. Tbh recently I saw 4 people being interviewed on the news, and all 4 had gone to India for a funeral. Why are people travelling at the moment. We all would like to see family abroad but it is a complete joke I believe people should be allowed to travel for extreme circumstances. Funerals being one. It’s how the UK have handled people coming back that’s the problem IMO! X People should have been made to quarantine in a government location for 10 days lol. Clearly what happened was that people went home and fooked the quarantine off Surely the people not isolating bear the responsibility... At some point people have to take responsibility for their actions. Or.... Shut the fucking borders to India....and any connections from there..... To say this was predicted doesn't give anyone any pleasure but if they can't be trusted then stoo the travel completely. But Rishi’s Daddy in law needed to escape from India first! Even if that were the case that doesn't excuse the 1000s a day that were allowed to arrive for 4 to 6 weeks after the outbreak had started. It doesn't excuse that the borders weren't sealed and it sure as shit doesn't excuse those arriving and not isolating or quarantining. And now look where we are heading... Again. Absolutely agree. As soon as India started going tits up ALL travel to and from should have been banned. It wasn’t! Ask why? 1. Boris’ trade deal promo tour to India that then got cancelled with a week before rules changed. 2. Those rules took a week to come into effect because... wealthy Indians needed time to sort their affairs and get out of India... wealthy Indians = Tory party donors (or familial connections). Basically another example of how inept, corrupt and morally bankrupt this current UK Govt is! We will all pay for this if the Indian variant takes hold in UK "I don't dispute that as I don't know and I suspect you don't either. But what is available to all of us. Regardless of policy.. Is personal responsibility. So if its the rich tory party donors returning, not isolating to spread Indian variant covid in Bolton and Blackburn then yes let's call it out. But let's also call out the individuals responsibility to test and isolate properly. And if they aren't testing or isolating or vaxxing... Let's call that too. And for gods sake let's learn and not keep making the same mistakes. | |||
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"Cases of the India variant in England had increased from 202 to 520 as of May 7, PHE said, with almost half related to travel or contact with a traveller This stat really sums up why people are fed up with people taking the piss. So you telling me all these people had essential travel to India. Tbh recently I saw 4 people being interviewed on the news, and all 4 had gone to India for a funeral. Why are people travelling at the moment. We all would like to see family abroad but it is a complete joke I believe people should be allowed to travel for extreme circumstances. Funerals being one. It’s how the UK have handled people coming back that’s the problem IMO! X People should have been made to quarantine in a government location for 10 days lol. Clearly what happened was that people went home and fooked the quarantine off Surely the people not isolating bear the responsibility... At some point people have to take responsibility for their actions. Or.... Shut the fucking borders to India....and any connections from there..... To say this was predicted doesn't give anyone any pleasure but if they can't be trusted then stoo the travel completely. But Rishi’s Daddy in law needed to escape from India first! Even if that were the case that doesn't excuse the 1000s a day that were allowed to arrive for 4 to 6 weeks after the outbreak had started. It doesn't excuse that the borders weren't sealed and it sure as shit doesn't excuse those arriving and not isolating or quarantining. And now look where we are heading... Again. Absolutely agree. As soon as India started going tits up ALL travel to and from should have been banned. It wasn’t! Ask why? 1. Boris’ trade deal promo tour to India that then got cancelled with a week before rules changed. 2. Those rules took a week to come into effect because... wealthy Indians needed time to sort their affairs and get out of India... wealthy Indians = Tory party donors (or familial connections). Basically another example of how inept, corrupt and morally bankrupt this current UK Govt is! We will all pay for this if the Indian variant takes hold in UK
I don't dispute that as I don't know and I suspect you don't either. But what is available to all of us. Regardless of policy.. Is personal responsibility. So if its the rich tory party donors returning, not isolating to spread Indian variant covid in Bolton and Blackburn then yes let's call it out. But let's also call out the individuals responsibility to test and isolate properly. And if they aren't testing or isolating or vaxxing... Let's call that too. And for gods sake let's learn and not keep making the same mistakes. "The type of people who won't bother doing 10 days quarantine after travel, or won't get vaccinated, or won't isolate if contacted by Track and Trace etc... they won't ever change. | |||
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"You really have to ask that question ????.k . A lot of the ethnic minority are refusing the vaccine due to religious beliefs And they not having reg tests Exactly this. How long until the penny drops with them??.
So it's only members of the Asian community testing positive then. I haven't seen that break down in the news. Just by age group."The demographic is quite clear and the areas that the "spike" is happening I ..... just saying | |||
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"You really have to ask that question ????.k . A lot of the ethnic minority are refusing the vaccine due to religious beliefs And they not having reg tests Exactly this. How long until the penny drops with them??.
So it's only members of the Asian community testing positive then. I haven't seen that break down in the news. Just by age group.
The demographic is quite clear and the areas that the "spike" is happening I ..... just saying "your prejudice is showing ... just saying | |||
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"You really have to ask that question ????.k . A lot of the ethnic minority are refusing the vaccine due to religious beliefs And they not having reg tests Exactly this. How long until the penny drops with them??.
So it's only members of the Asian community testing positive then. I haven't seen that break down in the news. Just by age group.
The demographic is quite clear and the areas that the "spike" is happening I ..... just saying
your prejudice is showing ... just saying "Are the facts prejudiced? Or are they just facts? The outbreak is in an area and as quoted by Andy Burnham due initially to overseas travel. | |||
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"You really have to ask that question ????.k . A lot of the ethnic minority are refusing the vaccine due to religious beliefs And they not having reg tests Exactly this. How long until the penny drops with them??.
So it's only members of the Asian community testing positive then. I haven't seen that break down in the news. Just by age group.
The demographic is quite clear and the areas that the "spike" is happening I ..... just saying
your prejudice is showing ... just saying
Are the facts prejudiced? Or are they just facts? The outbreak is in an area and as quoted by Andy Burnham due initially to overseas travel. "it was the tone i was referring to tbh | |||
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"You really have to ask that question ????.k . A lot of the ethnic minority are refusing the vaccine due to religious beliefs And they not having reg tests Exactly this. How long until the penny drops with them??.
So it's only members of the Asian community testing positive then. I haven't seen that break down in the news. Just by age group.
The demographic is quite clear and the areas that the "spike" is happening I ..... just saying
your prejudice is showing ... just saying
Are the facts prejudiced? Or are they just facts? The outbreak is in an area and as quoted by Andy Burnham due initially to overseas travel.
"To be fair , the one I saw he said it could be which as it wasn't against any rules at the time then we shouldn't really blame people for it... but he believes it also could be that people can't afford to stay off work so spread it that way. I find blaming certain people only causes division, wherever it came from originally , it is spreading as fast as the Kent variant and is worrying as we are about to open up more. | |||
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"You really have to ask that question ????.k . A lot of the ethnic minority are refusing the vaccine due to religious beliefs And they not having reg tests Exactly this. How long until the penny drops with them??.
So it's only members of the Asian community testing positive then. I haven't seen that break down in the news. Just by age group.
The demographic is quite clear and the areas that the "spike" is happening I ..... just saying "It seems Bolton is predominantly white, so is Erewash and Sefton and they have a problem in those areas too Covid spreads fast, whatever colour you are. However if it is spreading in people who live in multi generation families ( which I think is what you are getting at ), what do you think they should do? All move to separate houses until the covid is gone? | |||
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"You really have to ask that question ????.k . A lot of the ethnic minority are refusing the vaccine due to religious beliefs And they not having reg tests Exactly this. How long until the penny drops with them??.
So it's only members of the Asian community testing positive then. I haven't seen that break down in the news. Just by age group.
The demographic is quite clear and the areas that the "spike" is happening I ..... just saying
It seems Bolton is predominantly white, so is Erewash and Sefton and they have a problem in those areas too
Covid spreads fast, whatever colour you are. However if it is spreading in people who live in multi generation families ( which I think is what you are getting at ), what do you think they should do? All move to separate houses until the covid is gone? "I half think would be useful if they had more detailed data that they could release to show where it's spreading. If a large family lives in the same house it's likely they will all get infected. The figures then show a 'tenfold' increase in infections but if they all isolate, perhaps that household would only be viewed as 1 infection. If that makes sense. And therefore only increasing the risk factor by 1 instead of 10. Then the other half of me thinks no... bad idea... because then some people will think they aren't at risk because they don't live in that area/ situation.  | |||
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