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"I've had my first jab about 4 weeks ago. All good and the expected flu like systems for the subsequent 24hours. However my physical pain has increased? I'm tending to feel more aches and pain in my general physic. Is this normal? Will it subside?" It's fine dont worry it's normal x | |||
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So I’m not looking forward to my next jab. | |||
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"I had sever fevers hallucinations and pains like I’ve never felt before. On a scale of 1-10 they were 100+ and I wish I was exaggerating. This went on for. Couple of days before I started pissing blood and came down with kidney infection. I still feel fatigued and haven’t been able to run in 6 weeks now
So I’m not looking forward to my next jab. "That sounds awful..are you certain it was vaccination related? | |||
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"I've had my first jab about 4 weeks ago. All good and the expected flu like systems for the subsequent 24hours. However my physical pain has increased? I'm tending to feel more aches and pain in my general physic. Is this normal? Will it subside?" Give 111 a call they will advise you on what’s best to do next  | |||
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"I had sever fevers hallucinations and pains like I’ve never felt before. On a scale of 1-10 they were 100+ and I wish I was exaggerating. This went on for. Couple of days before I started pissing blood and came down with kidney infection. I still feel fatigued and haven’t been able to run in 6 weeks now
So I’m not looking forward to my next jab. "Please go talk to your doctor to see if they can help you. | |||
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"You'll be fine. The vaccine has been subjected to rigorous long term testing before being released. Any side effects aren't real. " Sorry but that really is a highly irresponsible statement. For a small minority of people there are very serious side effects including fatal ones from such things as blood clots and anaphyalaxis. Anyone with unusual symptoms post vaccine should contact their GP or 111. That's what they're there for. | |||
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"Personally, no. However a family member has been hospitalised with Guillain-Barré Syndrome. I looked it up and it's like a million to one chance, so he's been very unlucky. However, the risk from Covid is far worse. Don't know his prognosis yet." This is why we all need to know what risk groups we are in so we can make an informed choice about the risks to us of getting Covid v the risks of getting vaccinated. The older and/or more vulnerable you are, the more sense the vaccone makes and vice versa. | |||
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"You'll be fine. The vaccine has been subjected to rigorous long term testing before being released. Any side effects aren't real. Sorry but that really is a highly irresponsible statement. For a small minority of people there are very serious side effects including fatal ones from such things as blood clots and anaphyalaxis. Anyone with unusual symptoms post vaccine should contact their GP or 111. That's what they're there for." Woosh!! It was a sarcastic post. | |||
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"I had my jab in Feb, have now missed both March and April period. Regular as clockwork before. I’m not pregnant. " There's been a lot of similar reports to this. | |||
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"I had my jab in Feb, have now missed both March and April period. Regular as clockwork before. I’m not pregnant. There's been a lot of similar reports to this." I’m worried because I’m trying to get pregnant. I talked it over with my GP before I had it and she assured me it would have no impact on my fertility. | |||
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"You'll be fine. The vaccine has been subjected to rigorous long term testing before being released. Any side effects aren't real. " No longer convinced the testing and or production quality control are all they could have been. Majority of those I know in their 40s who have had the AZ vaccine have been knocked about by it including me. Side effects aren’t real  AZ vaccine side effects suck and not in the good way!  | |||
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"You'll be fine. The vaccine has been subjected to rigorous long term testing before being released. Any side effects aren't real. No longer convinced the testing and or production quality control are all they could have been. Majority of those I know in their 40s who have had the AZ vaccine have been knocked about by it including me. Side effects aren’t real AZ vaccine side effects suck and not in the good way! "I think the knocking around still comes under mild side effects and worth it as compared to the alternative | |||
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"I had my jab in Feb, have now missed both March and April period. Regular as clockwork before. I’m not pregnant. There's been a lot of similar reports to this. I’m worried because I’m trying to get pregnant. I talked it over with my GP before I had it and she assured me it would have no impact on my fertility. " I'm sorry to read that, I have heard of many similar situations. I hope everything gets back in cycle for you as soon as possible | |||
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"I had sever fevers hallucinations and pains like I’ve never felt before. On a scale of 1-10 they were 100+ and I wish I was exaggerating. This went on for. Couple of days before I started pissing blood and came down with kidney infection. I still feel fatigued and haven’t been able to run in 6 weeks now
So I’m not looking forward to my next jab.
That sounds awful..are you certain it was vaccination related? "Most certainly.... My gp said it was not uncommon for it to effect other pre existing conditions but they just don’t how people will react as they are just trials and no data is available as yet regards these. The kidney infection I can be as certain but 99% yes as the on call gp said they had numerous people with the same symptoms after having the jab. It’s a joke really as you can’t even report these symptoms on the website so how do they become and form part of the data. | |||
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"I had sever fevers hallucinations and pains like I’ve never felt before. On a scale of 1-10 they were 100+ and I wish I was exaggerating. This went on for. Couple of days before I started pissing blood and came down with kidney infection. I still feel fatigued and haven’t been able to run in 6 weeks now
So I’m not looking forward to my next jab.
That sounds awful..are you certain it was vaccination related?
Most certainly....
My gp said it was not uncommon for it to effect other pre existing conditions but they just don’t how people will react as they are just trials and no data is available as yet regards these.
The kidney infection I can be as certain but 99% yes as the on call gp said they had numerous people with the same symptoms after having the jab.
It’s a joke really as you can’t even report these symptoms on the website so how do they become and form part of the data. "Your GP said that the vaccination program is a trial ? | |||
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"Yes... And the leaflet you get after the vacation makes it very clear that you are part of trial and will remain so for the next 5 years. " Can you point out where on the leaflet that information is as I cannot find it? | |||
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"Yes... And the leaflet you get after the vacation makes it very clear that you are part of trial and will remain so for the next 5 years. Can you point out where on the leaflet that information is as I cannot find it?" Unfortunately I cannot as I have not kept the leaflets. I seam to remember it being with or near the information on how to report side effects. When I have my next one in a months time I will see if I get the leaflet again and post it. | |||
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"I had sever fevers hallucinations and pains like I’ve never felt before. On a scale of 1-10 they were 100+ and I wish I was exaggerating. This went on for. Couple of days before I started pissing blood and came down with kidney infection. I still feel fatigued and haven’t been able to run in 6 weeks now
So I’m not looking forward to my next jab.
That sounds awful..are you certain it was vaccination related?
Most certainly....
My gp said it was not uncommon for it to effect other pre existing conditions but they just don’t how people will react as they are just trials and no data is available as yet regards these.
The kidney infection I can be as certain but 99% yes as the on call gp said they had numerous people with the same symptoms after having the jab.
It’s a joke really as you can’t even report these symptoms on the website so how do they become and form part of the data. "There you go. Report https://coronavirus-yellowcard.mhra.gov.uk/ | |||
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It’ll probably be fine, vaccines are great in fighting many diseases illnesses. I’m debating having mine but a recent covid infection it seems pointless I’m going to have maximum anti bodies so why do I want all these side effects when I have antibodies the natural way. Yet the vaccination trial program are still demanding I need a jab for some reason even after cancelling twice I’m still getting texts and letters telling me I must get vaccinated to save lives, protect our community and loved ones | |||
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"Yes... And the leaflet you get after the vacation makes it very clear that you are part of trial and will remain so for the next 5 years. " I’m sure it’s until 2023 not 5 years, the trial period was shortened for COVID compared to other trialed vaccines? | |||
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"These are the leaflets given at vaccine appointments (print outs, obviously) https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/regulatory-approval-of-pfizer-biontech-vaccine-for-covid-19/information-for-uk-recipients-on-pfizerbiontech-covid-19-vaccine https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/regulatory-approval-of-covid-19-vaccine-astrazeneca/information-for-uk-recipients-on-covid-19-vaccine-astrazeneca https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/regulatory-approval-of-covid-19-vaccine-moderna/information-for-uk-recipients-on-covid-19-vaccine-moderna Plus a colour leaflet from Public Health England: www.ulh.nhs.uk/content/uploads/2020/12/PHE-vaccine-leaflet.pdf" Ah, evidence. | |||
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"I was one of the unlucky ones i got blood clots took 4days before i found out it started with pians in legs and arms for 4days when i rested most have moved to lungs where i had problems breathing was taken to hospital where they found blood clots but saying all this i will still have 2nd vaccine as thats important to stop this virus please all have this vaccine lets stop this virus so we can all move forward " Sorry to hear that but you don’t need to emotionally push your views on the vaccine to other people, we can all think for ourselves and make our own minds up on if we should or need to have the vaccine  | |||
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"I was one of the unlucky ones i got blood clots took 4days before i found out it started with pians in legs and arms for 4days when i rested most have moved to lungs where i had problems breathing was taken to hospital where they found blood clots but saying all this i will still have 2nd vaccine as thats important to stop this virus please all have this vaccine lets stop this virus so we can all move forward Sorry to hear that but you don’t need to emotionally push your views on the vaccine to other people, we can all think for ourselves and make our own minds up on if we should or need to have the vaccine "... She can express her view just as much as you can. | |||
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"I was one of the unlucky ones i got blood clots took 4days before i found out it started with pians in legs and arms for 4days when i rested most have moved to lungs where i had problems breathing was taken to hospital where they found blood clots but saying all this i will still have 2nd vaccine as thats important to stop this virus please all have this vaccine lets stop this virus so we can all move forward Sorry to hear that but you don’t need to emotionally push your views on the vaccine to other people, we can all think for ourselves and make our own minds up on if we should or need to have the vaccine
... She can express her view just as much as you can."No. I don’t tell people to either get or not get a vaccine. I myself and encourage other people to look at the evidence and information available and make their own mind up based on their vulnerability/risk. I don’t tell people they must get vaccinated even though experiencing first hand being hospitalised and having blood clots, that it’s vital to get rid of the virus and save lives and everyone must get the vaccine. We all know or should know by now this virus isn’t going anywhere, vaccinated or not. People at risk of dying from covid should be vaccinated yes, which is a small minority. Everyone is still entitled to their own decision depending on personal circumstances and beliefs. | |||
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"I was one of the unlucky ones i got blood clots took 4days before i found out it started with pians in legs and arms for 4days when i rested most have moved to lungs where i had problems breathing was taken to hospital where they found blood clots but saying all this i will still have 2nd vaccine as thats important to stop this virus please all have this vaccine lets stop this virus so we can all move forward Sorry to hear that but you don’t need to emotionally push your views on the vaccine to other people, we can all think for ourselves and make our own minds up on if we should or need to have the vaccine
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No. I don’t tell people to either get or not get a vaccine. I myself and encourage other people to look at the evidence and information available and make their own mind up based on their vulnerability/risk.
I don’t tell people they must get vaccinated even though experiencing first hand being hospitalised and having blood clots, that it’s vital to get rid of the virus and save lives and everyone must get the vaccine.
We all know or should know by now this virus isn’t going anywhere, vaccinated or not. People at risk of dying from covid should be vaccinated yes, which is a small minority. Everyone is still entitled to their own decision depending on personal circumstances and beliefs.
"Everyone is entitled to make their own decision. Everyone is entitled to express their own opinion. | |||
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"I was one of the unlucky ones i got blood clots took 4days before i found out it started with pians in legs and arms for 4days when i rested most have moved to lungs where i had problems breathing was taken to hospital where they found blood clots but saying all this i will still have 2nd vaccine as thats important to stop this virus please all have this vaccine lets stop this virus so we can all move forward Sorry to hear that but you don’t need to emotionally push your views on the vaccine to other people, we can all think for ourselves and make our own minds up on if we should or need to have the vaccine
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No. I don’t tell people to either get or not get a vaccine. I myself and encourage other people to look at the evidence and information available and make their own mind up based on their vulnerability/risk.
I don’t tell people they must get vaccinated even though experiencing first hand being hospitalised and having blood clots, that it’s vital to get rid of the virus and save lives and everyone must get the vaccine.
We all know or should know by now this virus isn’t going anywhere, vaccinated or not. People at risk of dying from covid should be vaccinated yes, which is a small minority. Everyone is still entitled to their own decision depending on personal circumstances and beliefs.
Everyone is entitled to make their own decision.
Everyone is entitled to express their own opinion."Agreed  | |||
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"Yes... And the leaflet you get after the vacation makes it very clear that you are part of trial and will remain so for the next 5 years. " Yeah I'm waiting to see what happens in a few years time. But apparently that makes me selfish because I consider the vaccine to be riskier than covid. For me. I have to do what is best for the greater good. Not what's best for me. Hmm. This is where I have issue. I'm not a lemming. If the vaccine does what you want from it then great. But please stop preaching that you're getting it to "do your bit". When it's been properly tested I'll consider it. | |||
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"Yes... And the leaflet you get after the vacation makes it very clear that you are part of trial and will remain so for the next 5 years. Yeah I'm waiting to see what happens in a few years time. But apparently that makes me selfish because I consider the vaccine to be riskier than covid. For me. I have to do what is best for the greater good. Not what's best for me. Hmm. This is where I have issue. I'm not a lemming. If the vaccine does what you want from it then great. But please stop preaching that you're getting it to "do your bit". When it's been properly tested I'll consider it. " Risk assessment not one of your strengths then? | |||
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"Yes... And the leaflet you get after the vacation makes it very clear that you are part of trial and will remain so for the next 5 years. Yeah I'm waiting to see what happens in a few years time. But apparently that makes me selfish because I consider the vaccine to be riskier than covid. For me. I have to do what is best for the greater good. Not what's best for me. Hmm. This is where I have issue. I'm not a lemming. If the vaccine does what you want from it then great. But please stop preaching that you're getting it to "do your bit". When it's been properly tested I'll consider it. Risk assessment not one of your strengths then? "Excuse me? | |||
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"Yes... And the leaflet you get after the vacation makes it very clear that you are part of trial and will remain so for the next 5 years. Yeah I'm waiting to see what happens in a few years time. But apparently that makes me selfish because I consider the vaccine to be riskier than covid. For me. I have to do what is best for the greater good. Not what's best for me. Hmm. This is where I have issue. I'm not a lemming. If the vaccine does what you want from it then great. But please stop preaching that you're getting it to "do your bit". When it's been properly tested I'll consider it. Risk assessment not one of your strengths then?
Excuse me? "If you did some thorough research you would realise the risks of Covid for your family are far greater than the risks from the vaccine. But you are entitled to choose the riskier option if you wish. | |||
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"Yes... And the leaflet you get after the vacation makes it very clear that you are part of trial and will remain so for the next 5 years. Yeah I'm waiting to see what happens in a few years time. But apparently that makes me selfish because I consider the vaccine to be riskier than covid. For me. I have to do what is best for the greater good. Not what's best for me. Hmm. This is where I have issue. I'm not a lemming. If the vaccine does what you want from it then great. But please stop preaching that you're getting it to "do your bit". When it's been properly tested I'll consider it. Risk assessment not one of your strengths then?
Excuse me?
If you did some thorough research you would realise the risks of Covid for your family are far greater than the risks from the vaccine. But you are entitled to choose the riskier option if you wish."You know nothing of my family. So judgemental. | |||
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"Yes... And the leaflet you get after the vacation makes it very clear that you are part of trial and will remain so for the next 5 years. Yeah I'm waiting to see what happens in a few years time. But apparently that makes me selfish because I consider the vaccine to be riskier than covid. For me. I have to do what is best for the greater good. Not what's best for me. Hmm. This is where I have issue. I'm not a lemming. If the vaccine does what you want from it then great. But please stop preaching that you're getting it to "do your bit". When it's been properly tested I'll consider it. Risk assessment not one of your strengths then?
Excuse me?
If you did some thorough research you would realise the risks of Covid for your family are far greater than the risks from the vaccine. But you are entitled to choose the riskier option if you wish.
You know nothing of my family. So judgemental. "Not judging you, just how well you have researched your options and your assessment of risks. I believe you are doing what you feel is best for you and yours. I just don’t agree with your assessment. | |||
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"Yes... And the leaflet you get after the vacation makes it very clear that you are part of trial and will remain so for the next 5 years. Yeah I'm waiting to see what happens in a few years time. But apparently that makes me selfish because I consider the vaccine to be riskier than covid. For me. I have to do what is best for the greater good. Not what's best for me. Hmm. This is where I have issue. I'm not a lemming. If the vaccine does what you want from it then great. But please stop preaching that you're getting it to "do your bit". When it's been properly tested I'll consider it. Risk assessment not one of your strengths then?
Excuse me?
If you did some thorough research you would realise the risks of Covid for your family are far greater than the risks from the vaccine. But you are entitled to choose the riskier option if you wish.
You know nothing of my family. So judgemental.
Not judging you, just how well you have researched your options and your assessment of risks. I believe you are doing what you feel is best for you and yours. I just don’t agree with your assessment."Because you're an expert and know my circumstances or because you're judging me by your situation? | |||
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"Yes... And the leaflet you get after the vacation makes it very clear that you are part of trial and will remain so for the next 5 years. Yeah I'm waiting to see what happens in a few years time. But apparently that makes me selfish because I consider the vaccine to be riskier than covid. For me. I have to do what is best for the greater good. Not what's best for me. Hmm. This is where I have issue. I'm not a lemming. If the vaccine does what you want from it then great. But please stop preaching that you're getting it to "do your bit". When it's been properly tested I'll consider it. Risk assessment not one of your strengths then?
Excuse me?
If you did some thorough research you would realise the risks of Covid for your family are far greater than the risks from the vaccine. But you are entitled to choose the riskier option if you wish.
You know nothing of my family. So judgemental.
Not judging you, just how well you have researched your options and your assessment of risks. I believe you are doing what you feel is best for you and yours. I just don’t agree with your assessment.
Because you're an expert and know my circumstances or because you're judging me by your situation?"Don't get het up SS, it's Friday
I feel the same as you do tbh. I'm tipping slightly since this Indian variant popped up and will see what happens in the next few weeks. I'm in no rush at all. I'm always surprised by how many people are just happy to roll up their sleeves without asking any or many questions! | |||
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"Yes... And the leaflet you get after the vacation makes it very clear that you are part of trial and will remain so for the next 5 years. Yeah I'm waiting to see what happens in a few years time. But apparently that makes me selfish because I consider the vaccine to be riskier than covid. For me. I have to do what is best for the greater good. Not what's best for me. Hmm. This is where I have issue. I'm not a lemming. If the vaccine does what you want from it then great. But please stop preaching that you're getting it to "do your bit". When it's been properly tested I'll consider it. Risk assessment not one of your strengths then?
Excuse me?
If you did some thorough research you would realise the risks of Covid for your family are far greater than the risks from the vaccine. But you are entitled to choose the riskier option if you wish.
You know nothing of my family. So judgemental.
Not judging you, just how well you have researched your options and your assessment of risks. I believe you are doing what you feel is best for you and yours. I just don’t agree with your assessment.
Because you're an expert and know my circumstances or because you're judging me by your situation?
Don't get het up SS, it's Friday
I feel the same as you do tbh. I'm tipping slightly since this Indian variant popped up and will see what happens in the next few weeks. I'm in no rush at all. I'm always surprised by how many people are just happy to roll up their sleeves without asking any or many questions!"I've asked lots of questions. Looked into it in detail. I think people assume that because others accepted the vaccine, it means they didn't consider the evidence or the risk/benefit. | |||
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"Yes... And the leaflet you get after the vacation makes it very clear that you are part of trial and will remain so for the next 5 years. Yeah I'm waiting to see what happens in a few years time. But apparently that makes me selfish because I consider the vaccine to be riskier than covid. For me. I have to do what is best for the greater good. Not what's best for me. Hmm. This is where I have issue. I'm not a lemming. If the vaccine does what you want from it then great. But please stop preaching that you're getting it to "do your bit". When it's been properly tested I'll consider it. Risk assessment not one of your strengths then?
Excuse me?
If you did some thorough research you would realise the risks of Covid for your family are far greater than the risks from the vaccine. But you are entitled to choose the riskier option if you wish.
You know nothing of my family. So judgemental.
Not judging you, just how well you have researched your options and your assessment of risks. I believe you are doing what you feel is best for you and yours. I just don’t agree with your assessment.
Because you're an expert and know my circumstances or because you're judging me by your situation?
Don't get het up SS, it's Friday
I feel the same as you do tbh. I'm tipping slightly since this Indian variant popped up and will see what happens in the next few weeks. I'm in no rush at all. I'm always surprised by how many people are just happy to roll up their sleeves without asking any or many questions!"Ah I'm not het up. I don't give a damn what anyone else thinks. Just curious as to why they're so keen for me to fall into their way of thinking. | |||
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"Yes... And the leaflet you get after the vacation makes it very clear that you are part of trial and will remain so for the next 5 years. Yeah I'm waiting to see what happens in a few years time. But apparently that makes me selfish because I consider the vaccine to be riskier than covid. For me. I have to do what is best for the greater good. Not what's best for me. Hmm. This is where I have issue. I'm not a lemming. If the vaccine does what you want from it then great. But please stop preaching that you're getting it to "do your bit". When it's been properly tested I'll consider it. Risk assessment not one of your strengths then?
Excuse me?
If you did some thorough research you would realise the risks of Covid for your family are far greater than the risks from the vaccine. But you are entitled to choose the riskier option if you wish.
You know nothing of my family. So judgemental.
Not judging you, just how well you have researched your options and your assessment of risks. I believe you are doing what you feel is best for you and yours. I just don’t agree with your assessment.
Because you're an expert and know my circumstances or because you're judging me by your situation?
Don't get het up SS, it's Friday
I feel the same as you do tbh. I'm tipping slightly since this Indian variant popped up and will see what happens in the next few weeks. I'm in no rush at all. I'm always surprised by how many people are just happy to roll up their sleeves without asking any or many questions!
I've asked lots of questions. Looked into it in detail.
I think people assume that because others accepted the vaccine, it means they didn't consider the evidence or the risk/benefit."And yet you still think that others that have drawn a different conclusion need educating. This is what I have issue with. | |||
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"Yes... And the leaflet you get after the vacation makes it very clear that you are part of trial and will remain so for the next 5 years. Yeah I'm waiting to see what happens in a few years time. But apparently that makes me selfish because I consider the vaccine to be riskier than covid. For me. I have to do what is best for the greater good. Not what's best for me. Hmm. This is where I have issue. I'm not a lemming. If the vaccine does what you want from it then great. But please stop preaching that you're getting it to "do your bit". When it's been properly tested I'll consider it. Risk assessment not one of your strengths then?
Excuse me?
If you did some thorough research you would realise the risks of Covid for your family are far greater than the risks from the vaccine. But you are entitled to choose the riskier option if you wish.
You know nothing of my family. So judgemental.
Not judging you, just how well you have researched your options and your assessment of risks. I believe you are doing what you feel is best for you and yours. I just don’t agree with your assessment.
Because you're an expert and know my circumstances or because you're judging me by your situation?
Don't get het up SS, it's Friday
I feel the same as you do tbh. I'm tipping slightly since this Indian variant popped up and will see what happens in the next few weeks. I'm in no rush at all. I'm always surprised by how many people are just happy to roll up their sleeves without asking any or many questions!
I've asked lots of questions. Looked into it in detail.
I think people assume that because others accepted the vaccine, it means they didn't consider the evidence or the risk/benefit.
And yet you still think that others that have drawn a different conclusion need educating. This is what I have issue with. "I would hope that people who have chosen to have the vaccine done their research, asked questions of course
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"Yes... And the leaflet you get after the vacation makes it very clear that you are part of trial and will remain so for the next 5 years. Yeah I'm waiting to see what happens in a few years time. But apparently that makes me selfish because I consider the vaccine to be riskier than covid. For me. I have to do what is best for the greater good. Not what's best for me. Hmm. This is where I have issue. I'm not a lemming. If the vaccine does what you want from it then great. But please stop preaching that you're getting it to "do your bit". When it's been properly tested I'll consider it. Risk assessment not one of your strengths then?
Excuse me?
If you did some thorough research you would realise the risks of Covid for your family are far greater than the risks from the vaccine. But you are entitled to choose the riskier option if you wish.
You know nothing of my family. So judgemental.
Not judging you, just how well you have researched your options and your assessment of risks. I believe you are doing what you feel is best for you and yours. I just don’t agree with your assessment.
Because you're an expert and know my circumstances or because you're judging me by your situation?"Simply on the data on risks from the vaccines and from Covid. Iam statistically qualified to understand the data and scientifically qualified to understand scientific method and research. I’m also psychologically qualified to understand how people respond to uncertainty and fears. I get why you feel the way you do. However I’m concerned your risk assessment is swayed by some misinformation. Otherwise you would feel less hesitant about the vaccine. If my words have come across as judgmental so be it, that wasn’t my intention. I chose the approach to get your attention and suggest, like Rocket Queen is, you may wish to reconsider the relative risks. I only wish you and your family good health and much happiness. | |||
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"Yes... And the leaflet you get after the vacation makes it very clear that you are part of trial and will remain so for the next 5 years. Yeah I'm waiting to see what happens in a few years time. But apparently that makes me selfish because I consider the vaccine to be riskier than covid. For me. I have to do what is best for the greater good. Not what's best for me. Hmm. This is where I have issue. I'm not a lemming. If the vaccine does what you want from it then great. But please stop preaching that you're getting it to "do your bit". When it's been properly tested I'll consider it. Risk assessment not one of your strengths then?
Excuse me?
If you did some thorough research you would realise the risks of Covid for your family are far greater than the risks from the vaccine. But you are entitled to choose the riskier option if you wish.
You know nothing of my family. So judgemental.
Not judging you, just how well you have researched your options and your assessment of risks. I believe you are doing what you feel is best for you and yours. I just don’t agree with your assessment.
Because you're an expert and know my circumstances or because you're judging me by your situation?
Don't get het up SS, it's Friday
I feel the same as you do tbh. I'm tipping slightly since this Indian variant popped up and will see what happens in the next few weeks. I'm in no rush at all. I'm always surprised by how many people are just happy to roll up their sleeves without asking any or many questions!
I've asked lots of questions. Looked into it in detail.
I think people assume that because others accepted the vaccine, it means they didn't consider the evidence or the risk/benefit.
And yet you still think that others that have drawn a different conclusion need educating. This is what I have issue with. "Then take issue all you like. Everyone needs educating. I learn more every day. I'm just happy I have the level of research training to be able to tackle these complexities. | |||
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"Yes... And the leaflet you get after the vacation makes it very clear that you are part of trial and will remain so for the next 5 years. Yeah I'm waiting to see what happens in a few years time. But apparently that makes me selfish because I consider the vaccine to be riskier than covid. For me. I have to do what is best for the greater good. Not what's best for me. Hmm. This is where I have issue. I'm not a lemming. If the vaccine does what you want from it then great. But please stop preaching that you're getting it to "do your bit". When it's been properly tested I'll consider it. Risk assessment not one of your strengths then?
Excuse me?
If you did some thorough research you would realise the risks of Covid for your family are far greater than the risks from the vaccine. But you are entitled to choose the riskier option if you wish.
You know nothing of my family. So judgemental.
Not judging you, just how well you have researched your options and your assessment of risks. I believe you are doing what you feel is best for you and yours. I just don’t agree with your assessment.
Because you're an expert and know my circumstances or because you're judging me by your situation?
Simply on the data on risks from the vaccines and from Covid. Iam statistically qualified to understand the data and scientifically qualified to understand scientific method and research. I’m also psychologically qualified to understand how people respond to uncertainty and fears. I get why you feel the way you do. However I’m concerned your risk assessment is swayed by some misinformation. Otherwise you would feel less hesitant about the vaccine.
If my words have come across as judgmental so be it, that wasn’t my intention. I chose the approach to get your attention and suggest, like Rocket Queen is, you may wish to reconsider the relative risks. I only wish you and your family good health and much happiness."So. As a healthy fit woman in her early 40s I'm more at risk of becoming seriously ill from covid? Really? Where is the data to support this? Everything I see points to men, obese, those with underlying health conditions being the groups to be concerned about. Yet I've no idea what the vaccination will do to me long term. Thanks for your "concern". Although I feel it isn't concern for me. | |||
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"Yes... And the leaflet you get after the vacation makes it very clear that you are part of trial and will remain so for the next 5 years. Yeah I'm waiting to see what happens in a few years time. But apparently that makes me selfish because I consider the vaccine to be riskier than covid. For me. I have to do what is best for the greater good. Not what's best for me. Hmm. This is where I have issue. I'm not a lemming. If the vaccine does what you want from it then great. But please stop preaching that you're getting it to "do your bit". When it's been properly tested I'll consider it. Risk assessment not one of your strengths then?
Excuse me?
If you did some thorough research you would realise the risks of Covid for your family are far greater than the risks from the vaccine. But you are entitled to choose the riskier option if you wish.
You know nothing of my family. So judgemental.
Not judging you, just how well you have researched your options and your assessment of risks. I believe you are doing what you feel is best for you and yours. I just don’t agree with your assessment.
Because you're an expert and know my circumstances or because you're judging me by your situation?
Don't get het up SS, it's Friday
I feel the same as you do tbh. I'm tipping slightly since this Indian variant popped up and will see what happens in the next few weeks. I'm in no rush at all. I'm always surprised by how many people are just happy to roll up their sleeves without asking any or many questions!
I've asked lots of questions. Looked into it in detail.
I think people assume that because others accepted the vaccine, it means they didn't consider the evidence or the risk/benefit.
And yet you still think that others that have drawn a different conclusion need educating. This is what I have issue with.
Then take issue all you like.
Everyone needs educating. I learn more every day.
I'm just happy I have the level of research training to be able to tackle these complexities."I'm happy too. Doesn't mean you're all knowledgeable though | |||
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"Yes... And the leaflet you get after the vacation makes it very clear that you are part of trial and will remain so for the next 5 years. Yeah I'm waiting to see what happens in a few years time. But apparently that makes me selfish because I consider the vaccine to be riskier than covid. For me. I have to do what is best for the greater good. Not what's best for me. Hmm. This is where I have issue. I'm not a lemming. If the vaccine does what you want from it then great. But please stop preaching that you're getting it to "do your bit". When it's been properly tested I'll consider it. Risk assessment not one of your strengths then?
Excuse me?
If you did some thorough research you would realise the risks of Covid for your family are far greater than the risks from the vaccine. But you are entitled to choose the riskier option if you wish.
You know nothing of my family. So judgemental.
Not judging you, just how well you have researched your options and your assessment of risks. I believe you are doing what you feel is best for you and yours. I just don’t agree with your assessment.
Because you're an expert and know my circumstances or because you're judging me by your situation?
Simply on the data on risks from the vaccines and from Covid. Iam statistically qualified to understand the data and scientifically qualified to understand scientific method and research. I’m also psychologically qualified to understand how people respond to uncertainty and fears. I get why you feel the way you do. However I’m concerned your risk assessment is swayed by some misinformation. Otherwise you would feel less hesitant about the vaccine.
If my words have come across as judgmental so be it, that wasn’t my intention. I chose the approach to get your attention and suggest, like Rocket Queen is, you may wish to reconsider the relative risks. I only wish you and your family good health and much happiness.
So. As a healthy fit woman in her early 40s I'm more at risk of becoming seriously ill from covid? Really? Where is the data to support this? Everything I see points to men, obese, those with underlying health conditions being the groups to be concerned about. Yet I've no idea what the vaccination will do to me long term. Thanks for your "concern". Although I feel it isn't concern for me. "Take what I have said whatever way you like. I hope you, your husband and your children all stay healthy. You are entitled to your choice. | |||
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"Yes... And the leaflet you get after the vacation makes it very clear that you are part of trial and will remain so for the next 5 years. Yeah I'm waiting to see what happens in a few years time. But apparently that makes me selfish because I consider the vaccine to be riskier than covid. For me. I have to do what is best for the greater good. Not what's best for me. Hmm. This is where I have issue. I'm not a lemming. If the vaccine does what you want from it then great. But please stop preaching that you're getting it to "do your bit". When it's been properly tested I'll consider it. Risk assessment not one of your strengths then?
Excuse me?
If you did some thorough research you would realise the risks of Covid for your family are far greater than the risks from the vaccine. But you are entitled to choose the riskier option if you wish.
You know nothing of my family. So judgemental.
Not judging you, just how well you have researched your options and your assessment of risks. I believe you are doing what you feel is best for you and yours. I just don’t agree with your assessment.
Because you're an expert and know my circumstances or because you're judging me by your situation?
Don't get het up SS, it's Friday
I feel the same as you do tbh. I'm tipping slightly since this Indian variant popped up and will see what happens in the next few weeks. I'm in no rush at all. I'm always surprised by how many people are just happy to roll up their sleeves without asking any or many questions!
I've asked lots of questions. Looked into it in detail.
I think people assume that because others accepted the vaccine, it means they didn't consider the evidence or the risk/benefit.
And yet you still think that others that have drawn a different conclusion need educating. This is what I have issue with.
Then take issue all you like.
Everyone needs educating. I learn more every day.
I'm just happy I have the level of research training to be able to tackle these complexities.
I'm happy too. Doesn't mean you're all knowledgeable though"Never said I was. I don't even have a science degree or A level 
At a very basic level, if I had to choose between the scientific establishment that keeps us all safe - medicines, vaccines, food and water standards - or a bunch of what if on the internet, I choose the former. That seems like the rational choice to me. (And then I sought out credible expert opinion and read a bunch of papers) | |||
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"Yes... And the leaflet you get after the vacation makes it very clear that you are part of trial and will remain so for the next 5 years. Yeah I'm waiting to see what happens in a few years time. But apparently that makes me selfish because I consider the vaccine to be riskier than covid. For me. I have to do what is best for the greater good. Not what's best for me. Hmm. This is where I have issue. I'm not a lemming. If the vaccine does what you want from it then great. But please stop preaching that you're getting it to "do your bit". When it's been properly tested I'll consider it. Risk assessment not one of your strengths then?
Excuse me?
If you did some thorough research you would realise the risks of Covid for your family are far greater than the risks from the vaccine. But you are entitled to choose the riskier option if you wish.
You know nothing of my family. So judgemental.
Not judging you, just how well you have researched your options and your assessment of risks. I believe you are doing what you feel is best for you and yours. I just don’t agree with your assessment.
Because you're an expert and know my circumstances or because you're judging me by your situation?
Don't get het up SS, it's Friday
I feel the same as you do tbh. I'm tipping slightly since this Indian variant popped up and will see what happens in the next few weeks. I'm in no rush at all. I'm always surprised by how many people are just happy to roll up their sleeves without asking any or many questions!
I've asked lots of questions. Looked into it in detail.
I think people assume that because others accepted the vaccine, it means they didn't consider the evidence or the risk/benefit.
And yet you still think that others that have drawn a different conclusion need educating. This is what I have issue with.
Then take issue all you like.
Everyone needs educating. I learn more every day.
I'm just happy I have the level of research training to be able to tackle these complexities.
I'm happy too. Doesn't mean you're all knowledgeable though
Never said I was. I don't even have a science degree or A level
At a very basic level, if I had to choose between the scientific establishment that keeps us all safe - medicines, vaccines, food and water standards - or a bunch of what if on the internet, I choose the former. That seems like the rational choice to me. (And then I sought out credible expert opinion and read a bunch of papers)"Great. But don't expect everyone to agree with you. I don't trust a drug that hasn't had its long term effects tested. That's all. | |||
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"Yes... And the leaflet you get after the vacation makes it very clear that you are part of trial and will remain so for the next 5 years. Yeah I'm waiting to see what happens in a few years time. But apparently that makes me selfish because I consider the vaccine to be riskier than covid. For me. I have to do what is best for the greater good. Not what's best for me. Hmm. This is where I have issue. I'm not a lemming. If the vaccine does what you want from it then great. But please stop preaching that you're getting it to "do your bit". When it's been properly tested I'll consider it. Risk assessment not one of your strengths then?
Excuse me?
If you did some thorough research you would realise the risks of Covid for your family are far greater than the risks from the vaccine. But you are entitled to choose the riskier option if you wish.
You know nothing of my family. So judgemental.
Not judging you, just how well you have researched your options and your assessment of risks. I believe you are doing what you feel is best for you and yours. I just don’t agree with your assessment.
Because you're an expert and know my circumstances or because you're judging me by your situation?
Simply on the data on risks from the vaccines and from Covid. Iam statistically qualified to understand the data and scientifically qualified to understand scientific method and research. I’m also psychologically qualified to understand how people respond to uncertainty and fears. I get why you feel the way you do. However I’m concerned your risk assessment is swayed by some misinformation. Otherwise you would feel less hesitant about the vaccine.
If my words have come across as judgmental so be it, that wasn’t my intention. I chose the approach to get your attention and suggest, like Rocket Queen is, you may wish to reconsider the relative risks. I only wish you and your family good health and much happiness."Sorry but you've got the wrong end of the stick, I wasn't suggesting anything. I'm pretty sure she has done her research and is happy to wait, as I am, for however long it takes to feel confident about it
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"You'll be fine. The vaccine has been subjected to rigorous long term testing before being released. Any side effects aren't real. " Um, yes they are. I suspect you meant 'aren't severe' (unless you get blood clots and die that is), but they must certainly are real. I've had no issues for the last year, but chose to have the Oxford injection last week because I felt it was civically responsible (whether that was correct remains to be seen). I was okay until the next morning, but then I had a headache, aches, lethargy, the usual. That continued until today (and who knows, perhaps beyond). I wouldn't call it severe, but it's definitely 'real' (and I rarely get ill). The whole death thing is statistically unlikely, as is dying from COVID, but at least this way I might lessen the chance of killing someone else who is more vulnerable to it. I really don't get the who conspiracy thing. Like, this government can't organise a piss up in a brewery, let alone a global cover-up. Likewise, Bill Gates has more pressing matters to attend to. Buck y of flat-Earthers and nut jobs. I mean, I get it, life is scary, but Jesus, maybe utilise critical thinking every now and then. What would anyone have to gain by wiping out most of the global population? The world would collapse. That said, I get wicked 5G reception now!  | |||
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"Yes... And the leaflet you get after the vacation makes it very clear that you are part of trial and will remain so for the next 5 years. Yeah I'm waiting to see what happens in a few years time. But apparently that makes me selfish because I consider the vaccine to be riskier than covid. For me. I have to do what is best for the greater good. Not what's best for me. Hmm. This is where I have issue. I'm not a lemming. If the vaccine does what you want from it then great. But please stop preaching that you're getting it to "do your bit". When it's been properly tested I'll consider it. Risk assessment not one of your strengths then?
Excuse me?
If you did some thorough research you would realise the risks of Covid for your family are far greater than the risks from the vaccine. But you are entitled to choose the riskier option if you wish.
You know nothing of my family. So judgemental.
Not judging you, just how well you have researched your options and your assessment of risks. I believe you are doing what you feel is best for you and yours. I just don’t agree with your assessment.
Because you're an expert and know my circumstances or because you're judging me by your situation?
Simply on the data on risks from the vaccines and from Covid. Iam statistically qualified to understand the data and scientifically qualified to understand scientific method and research. I’m also psychologically qualified to understand how people respond to uncertainty and fears. I get why you feel the way you do. However I’m concerned your risk assessment is swayed by some misinformation. Otherwise you would feel less hesitant about the vaccine.
If my words have come across as judgmental so be it, that wasn’t my intention. I chose the approach to get your attention and suggest, like Rocket Queen is, you may wish to reconsider the relative risks. I only wish you and your family good health and much happiness.
Sorry but you've got the wrong end of the stick, I wasn't suggesting anything. I'm pretty sure she has done her research and is happy to wait, as I am, for however long it takes to feel confident about it
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"You'll be fine. The vaccine has been subjected to rigorous long term testing before being released. Any side effects aren't real. Um, yes they are. I suspect you meant 'aren't severe' (unless you get blood clots and die that is), but they must certainly are real. I've had no issues for the last year, but chose to have the Oxford injection last week because I felt it was civically responsible (whether that was correct remains to be seen). I was okay until the next morning, but then I had a headache, aches, lethargy, the usual. That continued until today (and who knows, perhaps beyond). I wouldn't call it severe, but it's definitely 'real' (and I rarely get ill). The whole death thing is statistically unlikely, as is dying from COVID, but at least this way I might lessen the chance of killing someone else who is more vulnerable to it. I really don't get the who conspiracy thing. Like, this government can't organise a piss up in a brewery, let alone a global cover-up. Likewise, Bill Gates has more pressing matters to attend to. Buck y of flat-Earthers and nut jobs. I mean, I get it, life is scary, but Jesus, maybe utilise critical thinking every now and then. What would anyone have to gain by wiping out most of the global population? The world would collapse. That said, I get wicked 5G reception now! "Apologies for the auto correct spelling mistakes. It's annoying you can't edit your posts here... | |||
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"Yes... And the leaflet you get after the vacation makes it very clear that you are part of trial and will remain so for the next 5 years. Yeah I'm waiting to see what happens in a few years time. But apparently that makes me selfish because I consider the vaccine to be riskier than covid. For me. I have to do what is best for the greater good. Not what's best for me. Hmm. This is where I have issue. I'm not a lemming. If the vaccine does what you want from it then great. But please stop preaching that you're getting it to "do your bit". When it's been properly tested I'll consider it. Risk assessment not one of your strengths then?
Excuse me?
If you did some thorough research you would realise the risks of Covid for your family are far greater than the risks from the vaccine. But you are entitled to choose the riskier option if you wish.
You know nothing of my family. So judgemental.
Not judging you, just how well you have researched your options and your assessment of risks. I believe you are doing what you feel is best for you and yours. I just don’t agree with your assessment.
Because you're an expert and know my circumstances or because you're judging me by your situation?
Don't get het up SS, it's Friday
I feel the same as you do tbh. I'm tipping slightly since this Indian variant popped up and will see what happens in the next few weeks. I'm in no rush at all. I'm always surprised by how many people are just happy to roll up their sleeves without asking any or many questions!
I've asked lots of questions. Looked into it in detail.
I think people assume that because others accepted the vaccine, it means they didn't consider the evidence or the risk/benefit.
And yet you still think that others that have drawn a different conclusion need educating. This is what I have issue with.
Then take issue all you like.
Everyone needs educating. I learn more every day.
I'm just happy I have the level of research training to be able to tackle these complexities.
I'm happy too. Doesn't mean you're all knowledgeable though
Never said I was. I don't even have a science degree or A level
At a very basic level, if I had to choose between the scientific establishment that keeps us all safe - medicines, vaccines, food and water standards - or a bunch of what if on the internet, I choose the former. That seems like the rational choice to me. (And then I sought out credible expert opinion and read a bunch of papers)
Great. But don't expect everyone to agree with you. I don't trust a drug that hasn't had its long term effects tested. That's all. "I don't trust a virus that hasn't had its long term effects tested. However, given that the vaccines have been developed by clever people with the aim of helping not harming, were given extensive pre-release testing, and are being continuously monitored with many millions of people now treated and cases of side effects down around the background noise level. And over a similar period there have been many millions of cases of covid, with an extremely non-trivial number of people suffering life ending or life changing symptoms, not just limited to old obese folk, but also many many cases of younger people with no obvious or known underlying conditions. Then my conclusion is that the vaccines MUST be less dangerous than the virus. And really the way that covid has spread all around the world any individual has precisely three alternatives to choose between: 1. Spend the rest of your life wearing a mask, staying away from others, never touching another human being in your life. 2. Catching covid, because it isn't going to just go away. 3. Getting vaccinated, starting to mingle again, and having the peace of mind that although there is still some possibility of catching covid, it will be reduced from being a potentially fatal illness to something more akin to a summer cold. Virus = honed by evolution to invade and destroy body cells. Vaccine = devised by science to teach cells how to defend themselves. | |||
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"Yes... And the leaflet you get after the vacation makes it very clear that you are part of trial and will remain so for the next 5 years. Yeah I'm waiting to see what happens in a few years time. But apparently that makes me selfish because I consider the vaccine to be riskier than covid. For me. I have to do what is best for the greater good. Not what's best for me. Hmm. This is where I have issue. I'm not a lemming. If the vaccine does what you want from it then great. But please stop preaching that you're getting it to "do your bit". When it's been properly tested I'll consider it. Risk assessment not one of your strengths then?
Excuse me?
If you did some thorough research you would realise the risks of Covid for your family are far greater than the risks from the vaccine. But you are entitled to choose the riskier option if you wish.
You know nothing of my family. So judgemental.
Not judging you, just how well you have researched your options and your assessment of risks. I believe you are doing what you feel is best for you and yours. I just don’t agree with your assessment.
Because you're an expert and know my circumstances or because you're judging me by your situation?
Don't get het up SS, it's Friday
I feel the same as you do tbh. I'm tipping slightly since this Indian variant popped up and will see what happens in the next few weeks. I'm in no rush at all. I'm always surprised by how many people are just happy to roll up their sleeves without asking any or many questions!
I've asked lots of questions. Looked into it in detail.
I think people assume that because others accepted the vaccine, it means they didn't consider the evidence or the risk/benefit.
And yet you still think that others that have drawn a different conclusion need educating. This is what I have issue with.
Then take issue all you like.
Everyone needs educating. I learn more every day.
I'm just happy I have the level of research training to be able to tackle these complexities.
I'm happy too. Doesn't mean you're all knowledgeable though
Never said I was. I don't even have a science degree or A level
At a very basic level, if I had to choose between the scientific establishment that keeps us all safe - medicines, vaccines, food and water standards - or a bunch of what if on the internet, I choose the former. That seems like the rational choice to me. (And then I sought out credible expert opinion and read a bunch of papers)
Great. But don't expect everyone to agree with you. I don't trust a drug that hasn't had its long term effects tested. That's all.
I don't trust a virus that hasn't had its long term effects tested.
However, given that the vaccines have been developed by clever people with the aim of helping not harming, were given extensive pre-release testing, and are being continuously monitored with many millions of people now treated and cases of side effects down around the background noise level. And over a similar period there have been many millions of cases of covid, with an extremely non-trivial number of people suffering life ending or life changing symptoms, not just limited to old obese folk, but also many many cases of younger people with no obvious or known underlying conditions.
Then my conclusion is that the vaccines MUST be less dangerous than the virus.
And really the way that covid has spread all around the world any individual has precisely three alternatives to choose between:
1. Spend the rest of your life wearing a mask, staying away from others, never touching another human being in your life.
2. Catching covid, because it isn't going to just go away.
3. Getting vaccinated, starting to mingle again, and having the peace of mind that although there is still some possibility of catching covid, it will be reduced from being a potentially fatal illness to something more akin to a summer cold.
Virus = honed by evolution to invade and destroy body cells.
Vaccine = devised by science to teach cells how to defend themselves."Great post Polly | |||
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"My information package definitely said I was part of a clinical trial. But that's because I'm part of a phase 3 clinical trial." I take it this is a trial for a new type of vaccine or some other treatment related to the action of the vaccines? You said a little higher up that it gave you a moderately severe reaction for several days, and I recall that sometime last year you believed that you had contracted covid. Have your trial team given and feedback about your symptoms? I am hearing anecdotal evidence that vaccine reactions can be worse for those with existing covid antibodies, not sure whether I believe this, but interested to hear if you have any insights that you could share? | |||
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"My information package definitely said I was part of a clinical trial. But that's because I'm part of a phase 3 clinical trial. I take it this is a trial for a new type of vaccine or some other treatment related to the action of the vaccines? You said a little higher up that it gave you a moderately severe reaction for several days, and I recall that sometime last year you believed that you had contracted covid. Have your trial team given and feedback about your symptoms? I am hearing anecdotal evidence that vaccine reactions can be worse for those with existing covid antibodies, not sure whether I believe this, but interested to hear if you have any insights that you could share?" Immunogenicity comparison of a new vaccine to Oxford AZ, phase 3. They didn't say much. They did make sure I'd filled in the forms, I spoke to the doctor, and later the nurse asked the doctor if I'd got it recorded. Haha. Yes. They know, lol. They were a bit concerned and asked if I was sure, when I disclosed my family history of vaccine reactions, but I think they accepted that my consent is entirely informed. No feedback, I don't know how much they can say with it being a double blind study. (There's certainly questions I have about the level of protection I might have from spreading to others given my voluntary work and the React 2 stuff on waning antibodies, I might ask when I get my second jab) Just - all recorded. I'm fine now, and the damn trial app has stopped beeping at me every few hours Suppose it will do again after my second jab.
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"My information package definitely said I was part of a clinical trial. But that's because I'm part of a phase 3 clinical trial. I take it this is a trial for a new type of vaccine or some other treatment related to the action of the vaccines? You said a little higher up that it gave you a moderately severe reaction for several days, and I recall that sometime last year you believed that you had contracted covid. Have your trial team given and feedback about your symptoms? I am hearing anecdotal evidence that vaccine reactions can be worse for those with existing covid antibodies, not sure whether I believe this, but interested to hear if you have any insights that you could share? Immunogenicity comparison of a new vaccine to Oxford AZ, phase 3. They didn't say much. They did make sure I'd filled in the forms, I spoke to the doctor, and later the nurse asked the doctor if I'd got it recorded. Haha. Yes. They know, lol. They were a bit concerned and asked if I was sure, when I disclosed my family history of vaccine reactions, but I think they accepted that my consent is entirely informed. No feedback, I don't know how much they can say with it being a double blind study. (There's certainly questions I have about the level of protection I might have from spreading to others given my voluntary work and the React 2 stuff on waning antibodies, I might ask when I get my second jab) Just - all recorded. I'm fine now, and the damn trial app has stopped beeping at me every few hours Suppose it will do again after my second jab.
It all seems a bit much, but hey. I got another biscuit, all good."What sort of biscuit? I would hope for nice individually wrapped chocolate ones, to minimise chances of cross infection from fingers in the cookie jar... | |||
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"My information package definitely said I was part of a clinical trial. But that's because I'm part of a phase 3 clinical trial. I take it this is a trial for a new type of vaccine or some other treatment related to the action of the vaccines? You said a little higher up that it gave you a moderately severe reaction for several days, and I recall that sometime last year you believed that you had contracted covid. Have your trial team given and feedback about your symptoms? I am hearing anecdotal evidence that vaccine reactions can be worse for those with existing covid antibodies, not sure whether I believe this, but interested to hear if you have any insights that you could share? Immunogenicity comparison of a new vaccine to Oxford AZ, phase 3. They didn't say much. They did make sure I'd filled in the forms, I spoke to the doctor, and later the nurse asked the doctor if I'd got it recorded. Haha. Yes. They know, lol. They were a bit concerned and asked if I was sure, when I disclosed my family history of vaccine reactions, but I think they accepted that my consent is entirely informed. No feedback, I don't know how much they can say with it being a double blind study. (There's certainly questions I have about the level of protection I might have from spreading to others given my voluntary work and the React 2 stuff on waning antibodies, I might ask when I get my second jab) Just - all recorded. I'm fine now, and the damn trial app has stopped beeping at me every few hours Suppose it will do again after my second jab.
It all seems a bit much, but hey. I got another biscuit, all good.
What sort of biscuit? I would hope for nice individually wrapped chocolate ones, to minimise chances of cross infection from fingers in the cookie jar..."Some sort of oat thing. Maybe I was ripped off. Huh. It was individually wrapped. All very civilised. | |||
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"My information package definitely said I was part of a clinical trial. But that's because I'm part of a phase 3 clinical trial. I take it this is a trial for a new type of vaccine or some other treatment related to the action of the vaccines? You said a little higher up that it gave you a moderately severe reaction for several days, and I recall that sometime last year you believed that you had contracted covid. Have your trial team given and feedback about your symptoms? I am hearing anecdotal evidence that vaccine reactions can be worse for those with existing covid antibodies, not sure whether I believe this, but interested to hear if you have any insights that you could share? Immunogenicity comparison of a new vaccine to Oxford AZ, phase 3. They didn't say much. They did make sure I'd filled in the forms, I spoke to the doctor, and later the nurse asked the doctor if I'd got it recorded. Haha. Yes. They know, lol. They were a bit concerned and asked if I was sure, when I disclosed my family history of vaccine reactions, but I think they accepted that my consent is entirely informed. No feedback, I don't know how much they can say with it being a double blind study. (There's certainly questions I have about the level of protection I might have from spreading to others given my voluntary work and the React 2 stuff on waning antibodies, I might ask when I get my second jab) Just - all recorded. I'm fine now, and the damn trial app has stopped beeping at me every few hours Suppose it will do again after my second jab.
It all seems a bit much, but hey. I got another biscuit, all good.
What sort of biscuit? I would hope for nice individually wrapped chocolate ones, to minimise chances of cross infection from fingers in the cookie jar...
Some sort of oat thing. Maybe I was ripped off. Huh.
It was individually wrapped. All very civilised."Must be the doctors stealing all the best biscuits for themselves. | |||
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"Yes... And the leaflet you get after the vacation makes it very clear that you are part of trial and will remain so for the next 5 years. Yeah I'm waiting to see what happens in a few years time. But apparently that makes me selfish because I consider the vaccine to be riskier than covid. For me. I have to do what is best for the greater good. Not what's best for me. Hmm. This is where I have issue. I'm not a lemming. If the vaccine does what you want from it then great. But please stop preaching that you're getting it to "do your bit". When it's been properly tested I'll consider it. Risk assessment not one of your strengths then?
Excuse me?
If you did some thorough research you would realise the risks of Covid for your family are far greater than the risks from the vaccine. But you are entitled to choose the riskier option if you wish.
You know nothing of my family. So judgemental.
Not judging you, just how well you have researched your options and your assessment of risks. I believe you are doing what you feel is best for you and yours. I just don’t agree with your assessment.
Because you're an expert and know my circumstances or because you're judging me by your situation?
Don't get het up SS, it's Friday
I feel the same as you do tbh. I'm tipping slightly since this Indian variant popped up and will see what happens in the next few weeks. I'm in no rush at all. I'm always surprised by how many people are just happy to roll up their sleeves without asking any or many questions!
I've asked lots of questions. Looked into it in detail.
I think people assume that because others accepted the vaccine, it means they didn't consider the evidence or the risk/benefit.
And yet you still think that others that have drawn a different conclusion need educating. This is what I have issue with.
Then take issue all you like.
Everyone needs educating. I learn more every day.
I'm just happy I have the level of research training to be able to tackle these complexities.
I'm happy too. Doesn't mean you're all knowledgeable though
Never said I was. I don't even have a science degree or A level
At a very basic level, if I had to choose between the scientific establishment that keeps us all safe - medicines, vaccines, food and water standards - or a bunch of what if on the internet, I choose the former. That seems like the rational choice to me. (And then I sought out credible expert opinion and read a bunch of papers)
Great. But don't expect everyone to agree with you. I don't trust a drug that hasn't had its long term effects tested. That's all.
I don't trust a virus that hasn't had its long term effects tested.
However, given that the vaccines have been developed by clever people with the aim of helping not harming, were given extensive pre-release testing, and are being continuously monitored with many millions of people now treated and cases of side effects down around the background noise level. And over a similar period there have been many millions of cases of covid, with an extremely non-trivial number of people suffering life ending or life changing symptoms, not just limited to old obese folk, but also many many cases of younger people with no obvious or known underlying conditions.
Then my conclusion is that the vaccines MUST be less dangerous than the virus.
And really the way that covid has spread all around the world any individual has precisely three alternatives to choose between:
1. Spend the rest of your life wearing a mask, staying away from others, never touching another human being in your life.
2. Catching covid, because it isn't going to just go away.
3. Getting vaccinated, starting to mingle again, and having the peace of mind that although there is still some possibility of catching covid, it will be reduced from being a potentially fatal illness to something more akin to a summer cold.
Virus = honed by evolution to invade and destroy body cells.
Vaccine = devised by science to teach cells how to defend themselves."Spot on.. | |||
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"The number of people reporting serious side effects on here seems completely disproportionate. Our GP is running the vaccination programme which has so far fully vaccinated around 7,000 people and given the first vaccine to over 17,000. From these patients they have recently reported that less than 300 patients reported any symptoms lasting greater than 5 days, of those 300 more than 200 their symptoms did not stop them carrying out their normal day to day activities and only 7 described their symptoms as serious, of these 7, three visited hospital and required treatment but all have now recovered completely. It seems to me that either Fab has a lot of hypochondriacs or Fabbers are for some reason completely unrepresentative of the general population "why share your employers stats? | |||
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"The number of people reporting serious side effects on here seems completely disproportionate. Our GP is running the vaccination programme which has so far fully vaccinated around 7,000 people and given the first vaccine to over 17,000. From these patients they have recently reported that less than 300 patients reported any symptoms lasting greater than 5 days, of those 300 more than 200 their symptoms did not stop them carrying out their normal day to day activities and only 7 described their symptoms as serious, of these 7, three visited hospital and required treatment but all have now recovered completely. It seems to me that either Fab has a lot of hypochondriacs or Fabbers are for some reason completely unrepresentative of the general population why share your employers stats? "Why not? There's plenty of hearsay on here so to have real figures does give a more balanced outlook yes? | |||
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"The number of people reporting serious side effects on here seems completely disproportionate. Our GP is running the vaccination programme which has so far fully vaccinated around 7,000 people and given the first vaccine to over 17,000. From these patients they have recently reported that less than 300 patients reported any symptoms lasting greater than 5 days, of those 300 more than 200 their symptoms did not stop them carrying out their normal day to day activities and only 7 described their symptoms as serious, of these 7, three visited hospital and required treatment but all have now recovered completely. It seems to me that either Fab has a lot of hypochondriacs or Fabbers are for some reason completely unrepresentative of the general population "When I've asked second dosers "how were you after the first dose", I've had all sorts of things said to me as alleged side effects. "I had diarrhoea and vomiting almost immediately." Oh, that's unusual. "Well I did feel a bit under the weather on the day" So it might just have been a coincidental tummy bug? "Possibly, I did have leftover takeaway for breakfast"
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"I had nosebleeds on and off for a week"
Oh dear, I'm sorry to hear that, have you had nosebleeds before?
"No"
Well, you should speak to your GP about it
"Yes, I might need it cauterised again"
Have you had nosebleeds before then?
"Yes, but a long time ago"
So, they HAD suffered nosebleeds in the past.....
Many such examples, unfortunately. Many people reported no side effects after the first dose. The overwhelming majority who did say they had side effects said they lasted less than 48hrs and were very mild. | |||
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"Yes... And the leaflet you get after the vacation makes it very clear that you are part of trial and will remain so for the next 5 years. Can you point out where on the leaflet that information is as I cannot find it?" It's certainly not on my leaflet from March. | |||
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"I had sever fevers hallucinations and pains like I’ve never felt before. On a scale of 1-10 they were 100+ and I wish I was exaggerating. This went on for. Couple of days before I started pissing blood and came down with kidney infection. I still feel fatigued and haven’t been able to run in 6 weeks now
So I’m not looking forward to my next jab.
That sounds awful..are you certain it was vaccination related?
Most certainly....
My gp said it was not uncommon for it to effect other pre existing conditions but they just don’t how people will react as they are just trials and no data is available as yet regards these.
The kidney infection I can be as certain but 99% yes as the on call gp said they had numerous people with the same symptoms after having the jab.
It’s a joke really as you can’t even report these symptoms on the website so how do they become and form part of the data.
There you go. Report
https://coronavirus-yellowcard.mhra.gov.uk/"Yes I know about this... but you can only report upto 2 side effects you have suffered and only from a list they have compiled. Not suitable for the reactions and amount of different ones I had. | |||
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"The number of people reporting serious side effects on here seems completely disproportionate. Our GP is running the vaccination programme which has so far fully vaccinated around 7,000 people and given the first vaccine to over 17,000. From these patients they have recently reported that less than 300 patients reported any symptoms lasting greater than 5 days, of those 300 more than 200 their symptoms did not stop them carrying out their normal day to day activities and only 7 described their symptoms as serious, of these 7, three visited hospital and required treatment but all have now recovered completely. It seems to me that either Fab has a lot of hypochondriacs or Fabbers are for some reason completely unrepresentative of the general population
When I've asked second dosers "how were you after the first dose", I've had all sorts of things said to me as alleged side effects.
"I had diarrhoea and vomiting almost immediately."
Oh, that's unusual.
"Well I did feel a bit under the weather on the day"
So it might just have been a coincidental tummy bug?
"Possibly, I did have leftover takeaway for breakfast"
And
"I had nosebleeds on and off for a week"
Oh dear, I'm sorry to hear that, have you had nosebleeds before?
"No"
Well, you should speak to your GP about it
"Yes, I might need it cauterised again"
Have you had nosebleeds before then?
"Yes, but a long time ago"
So, they HAD suffered nosebleeds in the past.....
Many such examples, unfortunately. Many people reported no side effects after the first dose. The overwhelming majority who did say they had side effects said they lasted less than 48hrs and were very mild. "Being prescribed drugs to combat side effects I would class as serious, but the NHS does not. I am still suffering fatigue and as someone that regularly ran 50+ miles a week general in the hills or mountains I had my first run last night since the jab. I am still far from recovered. | |||
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"I had sever fevers hallucinations and pains like I’ve never felt before. On a scale of 1-10 they were 100+ and I wish I was exaggerating. This went on for. Couple of days before I started pissing blood and came down with kidney infection. I still feel fatigued and haven’t been able to run in 6 weeks now
So I’m not looking forward to my next jab.
That sounds awful..are you certain it was vaccination related?
Most certainly....
My gp said it was not uncommon for it to effect other pre existing conditions but they just don’t how people will react as they are just trials and no data is available as yet regards these.
The kidney infection I can be as certain but 99% yes as the on call gp said they had numerous people with the same symptoms after having the jab.
It’s a joke really as you can’t even report these symptoms on the website so how do they become and form part of the data.
There you go. Report
https://coronavirus-yellowcard.mhra.gov.uk/
Yes I know about this... but you can only report upto 2 side effects you have suffered and only from a list they have compiled. Not suitable for the reactions and amount of different ones I had. "Talk to your doctor. The systems exist. I assume my numerous side effects have been reported, although I'm in a different place on a trial. | |||
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