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"When do we think Fab will relax some of the rules - like meets being arranged etc ? From 17th May when you can meet indoors (doubt as still need to be socially distant but social meets are theoretically viable) or 21st June when no restrictions as being considered ? Thoughts everyone (either on Fab’s rule relaxation forecast or your personal rules relaxation timetable) AND NO SLAGGING ANYONE OFF - IF PEOPLE SHARE THEIR VIEWS TO ASSIST DEBATE, NOT ATTACK OR JUDGING " We are on other sites as well and they're all fine with meets. If it was a matter of law then surely the others would fall into line ? 100s of groups on Zuckerbergs site looking for meets, all the dating apps are still operating, just fab that's gone in a different direction. Not a dig at fab and in no way intended to be malicious, just an honest observation. | |||
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"When do we think Fab will relax some of the rules - like meets being arranged etc ? From 17th May when you can meet indoors (doubt as still need to be socially distant but social meets are theoretically viable) or 21st June when no restrictions as being considered ? Thoughts everyone (either on Fab’s rule relaxation forecast or your personal rules relaxation timetable) AND NO SLAGGING ANYONE OFF - IF PEOPLE SHARE THEIR VIEWS TO ASSIST DEBATE, NOT ATTACK OR JUDGING We are on other sites as well and they're all fine with meets. If it was a matter of law then surely the others would fall into line ? 100s of groups on Zuckerbergs site looking for meets, all the dating apps are still operating, just fab that's gone in a different direction. Not a dig at fab and in no way intended to be malicious, just an honest observation. " It makes no difference to me either, but that is a very good point, all the dating apps are fully functional, and allowing the users to make the decisions. | |||
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"Within the guidelines as they stand currently, it is acceptable to meet up for a socially distanced date. Restrictions still apply to meeting indoors, and social distancing is still expected. Obviously meeting people for sex would still fall outside of what is currently permitted. I would assume that dating sites at least pretend that people will get to know each other before snagging. Cal" *Shagging | |||
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"I'd be more concerned because whilst many are against the vaccine wouldn't this be putting them at further risk regardless of government rules how would anyone control this complicated issue given other places have put things in place guidelines check before entering to avoid another spread of the virus... Would people still meet those who haven't been vaccinated without any consideration" How would you know whether or not they've had their vaccination | |||
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"I'd be more concerned because whilst many are against the vaccine wouldn't this be putting them at further risk regardless of government rules how would anyone control this complicated issue given other places have put things in place guidelines check before entering to avoid another spread of the virus... Would people still meet those who haven't been vaccinated without any consideration How would you know whether or not they've had their vaccination " Hence complicated even though each businesses are doing checks prior to enter pubs will also be events and so on obviously when swinger clubs open they would be doing similar I'm guessing and these rules or advice have been laid out with limits showing you've been vaccinated or taking a test that's hopefully negative I think this puts fab in a rut how can meets be open without putting others at Risk but what steps would people take who would be at these meets | |||
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"I'd be more concerned because whilst many are against the vaccine wouldn't this be putting them at further risk regardless of government rules how would anyone control this complicated issue given other places have put things in place guidelines check before entering to avoid another spread of the virus... Would people still meet those who haven't been vaccinated without any consideration How would you know whether or not they've had their vaccination " This is the problem. I have had both vaccines but nothing to prove it. | |||
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"I'd be more concerned because whilst many are against the vaccine wouldn't this be putting them at further risk regardless of government rules how would anyone control this complicated issue given other places have put things in place guidelines check before entering to avoid another spread of the virus... Would people still meet those who haven't been vaccinated without any consideration How would you know whether or not they've had their vaccination This is the problem. I have had both vaccines but nothing to prove it. " Wasn't you given an appointment card with dates for each vaccine this states that you have had both as proof  | |||
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"I'd be more concerned because whilst many are against the vaccine wouldn't this be putting them at further risk regardless of government rules how would anyone control this complicated issue given other places have put things in place guidelines check before entering to avoid another spread of the virus... Would people still meet those who haven't been vaccinated without any consideration How would you know whether or not they've had their vaccination This is the problem. I have had both vaccines but nothing to prove it. Wasn't you given an appointment card with dates for each vaccine this states that you have had both as proof "No. Mine was done through work. | |||
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"I'd be more concerned because whilst many are against the vaccine wouldn't this be putting them at further risk regardless of government rules how would anyone control this complicated issue given other places have put things in place guidelines check before entering to avoid another spread of the virus... Would people still meet those who haven't been vaccinated without any consideration How would you know whether or not they've had their vaccination This is the problem. I have had both vaccines but nothing to prove it. Wasn't you given an appointment card with dates for each vaccine this states that you have had both as proof
No. Mine was done through work."Anyway that the employer was able to provide some kinda document because this would help in the long run given how things are planned ahead This is something businesses should've had in place which makes it easier for each employee to further continue to enjoy without causing further problems | |||
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" It makes no difference to me either, but that is a very good point, all the dating apps are fully functional, and allowing the users to make the decisions." I agree, all other swinging or dating sites have no restrictions whatsoever. Time to get our verifications back at least  | |||
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"I'd be more concerned because whilst many are against the vaccine wouldn't this be putting them at further risk regardless of government rules how would anyone control this complicated issue given other places have put things in place guidelines check before entering to avoid another spread of the virus... Would people still meet those who haven't been vaccinated without any consideration" That's an entirely different conversation. | |||
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"I'd be more concerned because whilst many are against the vaccine wouldn't this be putting them at further risk regardless of government rules how would anyone control this complicated issue given other places have put things in place guidelines check before entering to avoid another spread of the virus... Would people still meet those who haven't been vaccinated without any consideration That's an entirely different conversation. " Relaxing is _ased on the safety of others so if a person isn't vaccinated and no way to look out for others in arrangements for meets who would be held responsible person in question or how the arrangement was made | |||
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"Within the guidelines as they stand currently, it is acceptable to meet up for a socially distanced date. Restrictions still apply to meeting indoors, and social distancing is still expected. Obviously meeting people for sex would still fall outside of what is currently permitted. I would assume that dating sites at least pretend that people will get to know each other before snagging. Cal *Shagging" What is this “snagging” I’m intrigued  | |||
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"I'd be more concerned because whilst many are against the vaccine wouldn't this be putting them at further risk regardless of government rules how would anyone control this complicated issue given other places have put things in place guidelines check before entering to avoid another spread of the virus... Would people still meet those who haven't been vaccinated without any consideration That's an entirely different conversation. Relaxing is _ased on the safety of others so if a person isn't vaccinated and no way to look out for others in arrangements for meets who would be held responsible person in question or how the arrangement was made" But why is that the responsibility of FAB? As mentioned before, there's many other places where you openly post meets. The responsibility should be down to the individuals concerned. Shutting down meets on here hasn't stopped it from happening, people are just going about it differently. Judging by the pictures and new veris coming through every day it seems that fab are more than aware of the meets and allowing it to be shared, so why not just open there's section and veris now ? | |||
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"I'd be more concerned because whilst many are against the vaccine wouldn't this be putting them at further risk regardless of government rules how would anyone control this complicated issue given other places have put things in place guidelines check before entering to avoid another spread of the virus... Would people still meet those who haven't been vaccinated without any consideration That's an entirely different conversation. Relaxing is _ased on the safety of others so if a person isn't vaccinated and no way to look out for others in arrangements for meets who would be held responsible person in question or how the arrangement was made But why is that the responsibility of FAB? As mentioned before, there's many other places where you openly post meets. The responsibility should be down to the individuals concerned. Shutting down meets on here hasn't stopped it from happening, people are just going about it differently. Judging by the pictures and new veris coming through every day it seems that fab are more than aware of the meets and allowing it to be shared, so why not just open there's section and veris now ? " I totally understand your point, but imagine people meet engage in sexually someone gets infected then having a to explain people who the person may have been in contact with so they could trace the source, I myself hope that given how well we're done with people getting vaccinated that this virus gives up so we are able to enjoy more | |||
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"Plus whilst dating sites are just that fab isn't it's more about the intimacy so closer contact" Do you believe that Tinder, Grindr etc are just dating sites then ? Fab is diverse in its clientele with many here just here to be watched, soft swing, or even just curiosity. I genuinely cannot understand why obvious and blatant pics of meets are allowed through but shutting the forum section is seen as a responsible stance. I know of many places and people who are planning meets and events for after lockdown but have been banned for posting it. | |||
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"I can see this causing further issues in common/criminal law a person's actions acting without due care and attention should another be infected with the virus from not being vaccinated resulting to their death would this be murder or manslaughter who would be held accountable" Neither  | |||
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"I'd be more concerned because whilst many are against the vaccine wouldn't this be putting them at further risk regardless of government rules how would anyone control this complicated issue given other places have put things in place guidelines check before entering to avoid another spread of the virus... Would people still meet those who haven't been vaccinated without any consideration How would you know whether or not they've had their vaccination This is the problem. I have had both vaccines but nothing to prove it. " We all.get a vaccine card stating what you have had what time and date for first and second dose...mine is kept in my wallet x | |||
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"Plus whilst dating sites are just that fab isn't it's more about the intimacy so closer contact Do you believe that Tinder, Grindr etc are just dating sites then ? Fab is diverse in its clientele with many here just here to be watched, soft swing, or even just curiosity. I genuinely cannot understand why obvious and blatant pics of meets are allowed through but shutting the forum section is seen as a responsible stance. I know of many places and people who are planning meets and events for after lockdown but have been banned for posting it. " The sites you have mentioned are surrounded by dating and would fall under this category where as fab is associated with swinging I understand partly your point yes others are using other sites to meet people just purely for sex but just like most sites were classified as a dating site but people use them in different ways a swingers site falls more under a more intimate scale and the nature of swinging it's about contact if anything and dating sites doesn't show in a way of going to be intimate contact as that would fall under the individual to act responsibly yes this can occur with fab but will people take advantage or act sensibly | |||
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"I'd be more concerned because whilst many are against the vaccine wouldn't this be putting them at further risk regardless of government rules how would anyone control this complicated issue given other places have put things in place guidelines check before entering to avoid another spread of the virus... Would people still meet those who haven't been vaccinated without any consideration How would you know whether or not they've had their vaccination This is the problem. I have had both vaccines but nothing to prove it. We all.get a vaccine card stating what you have had what time and date for first and second dose...mine is kept in my wallet x" I would've assumed people were given a card to clarify what was given as a record | |||
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"Governments makes rules fab doesn't" But fab pick and choose what is appropriate by their own opinion. Keep a forum thread and meets option closed whilst allowing status updates and recent meet pictures to show that people are doing it anyway. There's many other swinging sites with their meets open not just dating sites, using the description of the site as mitigation is tenuous. As I said in a previous post, nearly every form of social media has let the individual be responsible for their own actions. | |||
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"I'd be more concerned because whilst many are against the vaccine wouldn't this be putting them at further risk regardless of government rules how would anyone control this complicated issue given other places have put things in place guidelines check before entering to avoid another spread of the virus... Would people still meet those who haven't been vaccinated without any consideration How would you know whether or not they've had their vaccination This is the problem. I have had both vaccines but nothing to prove it. We all.get a vaccine card stating what you have had what time and date for first and second dose...mine is kept in my wallet x I would've assumed people were given a card to clarify what was given as a record" I didn't get one as they had run out, it is still on my medical record though. | |||
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"Governments makes rules fab doesn't But fab pick and choose what is appropriate by their own opinion. Keep a forum thread and meets option closed whilst allowing status updates and recent meet pictures to show that people are doing it anyway. There's many other swinging sites with their meets open not just dating sites, using the description of the site as mitigation is tenuous. As I said in a previous post, nearly every form of social media has let the individual be responsible for their own actions. " True.. However, I would say a swinging site is a place where arguably the members are going to be the least concerned about the virus at the moment than anywhere else. Given the number who clearly indulge in bareback sex orgies etc and are quite defensive of it if challenged.. ' my body my right brigade' etc. Additionally those openly indulging in various areas legal substances are seen often in profiles . So probably Fab users more than most need to be policed rather than relied on to police themselves for just a little while longer maybe? .. | |||
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"I'd be more concerned because whilst many are against the vaccine wouldn't this be putting them at further risk regardless of government rules how would anyone control this complicated issue given other places have put things in place guidelines check before entering to avoid another spread of the virus... Would people still meet those who haven't been vaccinated without any consideration How would you know whether or not they've had their vaccination Hence complicated even though each businesses are doing checks prior to enter pubs will also be events and so on obviously when swinger clubs open they would be doing similar I'm guessing and these rules or advice have been laid out with limits showing you've been vaccinated or taking a test that's hopefully negative I think this puts fab in a rut how can meets be open without putting others at Risk but what steps would people take who would be at these meets " That's what I'm asking. You can't insist that they prove they've had the vaccination and I daresay cluns may have their own system. | |||
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"I'd be more concerned because whilst many are against the vaccine wouldn't this be putting them at further risk regardless of government rules how would anyone control this complicated issue given other places have put things in place guidelines check before entering to avoid another spread of the virus... Would people still meet those who haven't been vaccinated without any consideration How would you know whether or not they've had their vaccination This is the problem. I have had both vaccines but nothing to prove it. " You'll have your card but why would you show it? | |||
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"I can see this causing further issues in common/criminal law a person's actions acting without due care and attention should another be infected with the virus from not being vaccinated resulting to their death would this be murder or manslaughter who would be held accountable" Wow | |||
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"A person or persons go to any event or bar pub and show measures have took place for the safety of those who intend on using the enjoyment of this whilst fab provides a service so people may enjoy engaging with others but also able to enjoy risk free " So you're saying that under 30's can't go to events and pubs | |||
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"I'd be more concerned because whilst many are against the vaccine wouldn't this be putting them at further risk regardless of government rules how would anyone control this complicated issue given other places have put things in place guidelines check before entering to avoid another spread of the virus... Would people still meet those who haven't been vaccinated without any consideration That's an entirely different conversation. Relaxing is _ased on the safety of others so if a person isn't vaccinated and no way to look out for others in arrangements for meets who would be held responsible person in question or how the arrangement was made But why is that the responsibility of FAB? As mentioned before, there's many other places where you openly post meets. The responsibility should be down to the individuals concerned. Shutting down meets on here hasn't stopped it from happening, people are just going about it differently. Judging by the pictures and new veris coming through every day it seems that fab are more than aware of the meets and allowing it to be shared, so why not just open there's section and veris now ? I totally understand your point, but imagine people meet engage in sexually someone gets infected then having a to explain people who the person may have been in contact with so they could trace the source, I myself hope that given how well we're done with people getting vaccinated that this virus gives up so we are able to enjoy more" Why would you have to explain where you possibly got Covid from? People caught it without any intimate contact | |||
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"Plus whilst dating sites are just that fab isn't it's more about the intimacy so closer contact Do you believe that Tinder, Grindr etc are just dating sites then ? Fab is diverse in its clientele with many here just here to be watched, soft swing, or even just curiosity. I genuinely cannot understand why obvious and blatant pics of meets are allowed through but shutting the forum section is seen as a responsible stance. I know of many places and people who are planning meets and events for after lockdown but have been banned for posting it. " Exactly this | |||
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"Governments makes rules fab doesn't But fab pick and choose what is appropriate by their own opinion. Keep a forum thread and meets option closed whilst allowing status updates and recent meet pictures to show that people are doing it anyway. There's many other swinging sites with their meets open not just dating sites, using the description of the site as mitigation is tenuous. As I said in a previous post, nearly every form of social media has let the individual be responsible for their own actions. True.. However, I would say a swinging site is a place where arguably the members are going to be the least concerned about the virus at the moment than anywhere else. Given the number who clearly indulge in bareback sex orgies etc and are quite defensive of it if challenged.. ' my body my right brigade' etc. Additionally those openly indulging in various areas legal substances are seen often in profiles . So probably Fab users more than most need to be policed rather than relied on to police themselves for just a little while longer maybe? .. " A sweeping statement there...do you include yourself in this ? | |||
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"Plus whilst dating sites are just that fab isn't it's more about the intimacy so closer contact Do you believe that Tinder, Grindr etc are just dating sites then ? Fab is diverse in its clientele with many here just here to be watched, soft swing, or even just curiosity. I genuinely cannot understand why obvious and blatant pics of meets are allowed through but shutting the forum section is seen as a responsible stance. I know of many places and people who are planning meets and events for after lockdown but have been banned for posting it. The sites you have mentioned are surrounded by dating and would fall under this category where as fab is associated with swinging I understand partly your point yes others are using other sites to meet people just purely for sex but just like most sites were classified as a dating site but people use them in different ways a swingers site falls more under a more intimate scale and the nature of swinging it's about contact if anything and dating sites doesn't show in a way of going to be intimate contact as that would fall under the individual to act responsibly yes this can occur with fab but will people take advantage or act sensibly" So grindr and tinder are just dating sites? | |||
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"Governments makes rules fab doesn't But fab pick and choose what is appropriate by their own opinion. Keep a forum thread and meets option closed whilst allowing status updates and recent meet pictures to show that people are doing it anyway. There's many other swinging sites with their meets open not just dating sites, using the description of the site as mitigation is tenuous. As I said in a previous post, nearly every form of social media has let the individual be responsible for their own actions. True.. However, I would say a swinging site is a place where arguably the members are going to be the least concerned about the virus at the moment than anywhere else. Given the number who clearly indulge in bareback sex orgies etc and are quite defensive of it if challenged.. ' my body my right brigade' etc. Additionally those openly indulging in various areas legal substances are seen often in profiles . So probably Fab users more than most need to be policed rather than relied on to police themselves for just a little while longer maybe? .. " Isn't it the individuals choice to indulge in bareback orgies. So you consider Covid a greater threat to people than bareback sex? Interesting thought. Personally, I consider it the other way around but that's only my opinion. | |||
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"Governments makes rules fab doesn't But fab pick and choose what is appropriate by their own opinion. Keep a forum thread and meets option closed whilst allowing status updates and recent meet pictures to show that people are doing it anyway. There's many other swinging sites with their meets open not just dating sites, using the description of the site as mitigation is tenuous. As I said in a previous post, nearly every form of social media has let the individual be responsible for their own actions. True.. However, I would say a swinging site is a place where arguably the members are going to be the least concerned about the virus at the moment than anywhere else. Given the number who clearly indulge in bareback sex orgies etc and are quite defensive of it if challenged.. ' my body my right brigade' etc. Additionally those openly indulging in various areas legal substances are seen often in profiles . So probably Fab users more than most need to be policed rather than relied on to police themselves for just a little while longer maybe? .. " I strongly disagree with that comment. I think you are totally out of touch with reality | |||
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" True.. However, I would say a swinging site is a place where arguably the members are going to be the least concerned about the virus at the moment than anywhere else. Given the number who clearly indulge in bareback sex orgies etc and are quite defensive of it if challenged.. ' my body my right brigade' etc. Additionally those openly indulging in various areas legal substances are seen often in profiles . So probably Fab users more than most need to be policed rather than relied on to police themselves for just a little while longer maybe? .. " Interesting that you use the word probably there. Still doesn't answer the question why other swinging sites have a different view though. Are the vast majority of other swinging sites wrong despite their numbers growing steadily, or have they just decided that adults should be allowed make their own judgements? | |||
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"I'd be more concerned because whilst many are against the vaccine wouldn't this be putting them at further risk regardless of government rules how would anyone control this complicated issue given other places have put things in place guidelines check before entering to avoid another spread of the virus... Would people still meet those who haven't been vaccinated without any consideration How would you know whether or not they've had their vaccination This is the problem. I have had both vaccines but nothing to prove it. We all.get a vaccine card stating what you have had what time and date for first and second dose...mine is kept in my wallet x I would've assumed people were given a card to clarify what was given as a record I didn't get one as they had run out, it is still on my medical record though." Sure it will be on your record hence whilst we have to provide NHS number so they are able to pull up records that the person is who they say they are and any additional information they might require should their be a reason a person could not have the vaccine | |||
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"Governments makes rules fab doesn't But fab pick and choose what is appropriate by their own opinion. Keep a forum thread and meets option closed whilst allowing status updates and recent meet pictures to show that people are doing it anyway. There's many other swinging sites with their meets open not just dating sites, using the description of the site as mitigation is tenuous. As I said in a previous post, nearly every form of social media has let the individual be responsible for their own actions. True.. However, I would say a swinging site is a place where arguably the members are going to be the least concerned about the virus at the moment than anywhere else. Given the number who clearly indulge in bareback sex orgies etc and are quite defensive of it if challenged.. ' my body my right brigade' etc. Additionally those openly indulging in various areas legal substances are seen often in profiles . So probably Fab users more than most need to be policed rather than relied on to police themselves for just a little while longer maybe? .. Isn't it the individuals choice to indulge in bareback orgies. So you consider Covid a greater threat to people than bareback sex? Interesting thought. Personally, I consider it the other way around but that's only my opinion. " Absolutely spot on. I'm sure if the vanilla were asked if swinging in general was OK the response would be a resounding no. Equally I find certain acts within the lifestyle quite abhorrent but I respect the choice of the individuals to indulge in whatever way they see fit, it is after all a community of tolerance and respect. If people wanna fuck bareback then that's their choice, they won't change because I wag a finger at them. We pick and choose our friends _ased on a multitude of variables, not just in swinging but life in general, its our call ultimately, not someone else's opinion. | |||
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"Governments makes rules fab doesn't But fab pick and choose what is appropriate by their own opinion. Keep a forum thread and meets option closed whilst allowing status updates and recent meet pictures to show that people are doing it anyway. There's many other swinging sites with their meets open not just dating sites, using the description of the site as mitigation is tenuous. As I said in a previous post, nearly every form of social media has let the individual be responsible for their own actions. True.. However, I would say a swinging site is a place where arguably the members are going to be the least concerned about the virus at the moment than anywhere else. Given the number who clearly indulge in bareback sex orgies etc and are quite defensive of it if challenged.. ' my body my right brigade' etc. Additionally those openly indulging in various illegal substances are seen often in profiles . So probably Fab users more than most need to be policed rather than relied on to police themselves for just a little while longer maybe? .. Isn't it the individuals choice to indulge in bareback orgies. So you consider Covid a greater threat to people than bareback sex? Interesting thought. Personally, I consider it the other way around but that's only my opinion. " Not sure how I gave that impression? However it's about the same in principle with any transmitable thing . You say it's an 'individuals choice'.. I would say it only applies if a choice does not have an impact on someone else..so the individual needs to make a responsible and accountable choice in what they do right? arguably STIs and other things are spread through BB sex as is Aids which is still out there .. Particularly amongst people over 40! .. You can not guarantee someone's clean bill of health by deciding for yourself how to behave and hang the consequences. .. Without providing proof on paper of being recently tested no one should now be planning to meet I'm my opinion and that includes BB sex .. And many do not do that /refuse to that takes the responsible freedom of choice aspect away doesn't it? This also applies with Covid I think.. people will sensibly be providing testing evidence results before playing again or I suggest ought to be .. But lots will not be doing that _ased on some of the comments in the forum.. Some people won't take the jab or do any Lfts . Because they have freedom of choice not to do that .. Still won't stop other people being infected though a few partners down the line simply because of that choice .. It's just a shame that we can't trust people to be responsible and accountable for their behaviour that would make things much easier.. But then again that's always going to be the way of things I guess :/ | |||
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"I'd be more concerned because whilst many are against the vaccine wouldn't this be putting them at further risk regardless of government rules how would anyone control this complicated issue given other places have put things in place guidelines check before entering to avoid another spread of the virus... Would people still meet those who haven't been vaccinated without any consideration How would you know whether or not they've had their vaccination This is the problem. I have had both vaccines but nothing to prove it. We all.get a vaccine card stating what you have had what time and date for first and second dose...mine is kept in my wallet x I would've assumed people were given a card to clarify what was given as a record I didn't get one as they had run out, it is still on my medical record though. Sure it will be on your record hence whilst we have to provide NHS number so they are able to pull up records that the person is who they say they are and any additional information they might require should their be a reason a person could not have the vaccine" However, access to medical records is extremely limited | |||
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"Governments makes rules fab doesn't But fab pick and choose what is appropriate by their own opinion. Keep a forum thread and meets option closed whilst allowing status updates and recent meet pictures to show that people are doing it anyway. There's many other swinging sites with their meets open not just dating sites, using the description of the site as mitigation is tenuous. As I said in a previous post, nearly every form of social media has let the individual be responsible for their own actions. True.. However, I would say a swinging site is a place where arguably the members are going to be the least concerned about the virus at the moment than anywhere else. Given the number who clearly indulge in bareback sex orgies etc and are quite defensive of it if challenged.. ' my body my right brigade' etc. Additionally those openly indulging in various areas legal substances are seen often in profiles . So probably Fab users more than most need to be policed rather than relied on to police themselves for just a little while longer maybe? .. Isn't it the individuals choice to indulge in bareback orgies. So you consider Covid a greater threat to people than bareback sex? Interesting thought. Personally, I consider it the other way around but that's only my opinion. Absolutely spot on. I'm sure if the vanilla were asked if swinging in general was OK the response would be a resounding no. Equally I find certain acts within the lifestyle quite abhorrent but I respect the choice of the individuals to indulge in whatever way they see fit, it is after all a community of tolerance and respect. If people wanna fuck bareback then that's their choice, they won't change because I wag a finger at them. We pick and choose our friends _ased on a multitude of variables, not just in swinging but life in general, its our call ultimately, not someone else's opinion. " Absolutely agree wholeheartedly | |||
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"Governments makes rules fab doesn't But fab pick and choose what is appropriate by their own opinion. Keep a forum thread and meets option closed whilst allowing status updates and recent meet pictures to show that people are doing it anyway. There's many other swinging sites with their meets open not just dating sites, using the description of the site as mitigation is tenuous. As I said in a previous post, nearly every form of social media has let the individual be responsible for their own actions. True.. However, I would say a swinging site is a place where arguably the members are going to be the least concerned about the virus at the moment than anywhere else. Given the number who clearly indulge in bareback sex orgies etc and are quite defensive of it if challenged.. ' my body my right brigade' etc. Additionally those openly indulging in various illegal substances are seen often in profiles . So probably Fab users more than most need to be policed rather than relied on to police themselves for just a little while longer maybe? .. Isn't it the individuals choice to indulge in bareback orgies. So you consider Covid a greater threat to people than bareback sex? Interesting thought. Personally, I consider it the other way around but that's only my opinion. Not sure how I gave that impression? However it's about the same in principle with any transmitable thing . You say it's an 'individuals choice'.. I would say it only applies if a choice does not have an impact on someone else..so the individual needs to make a responsible and accountable choice in what they do right? arguably STIs and other things are spread through BB sex as is Aids which is still out there .. Particularly amongst people over 40! .. You can not guarantee someone's clean bill of health by deciding for yourself how to behave and hang the consequences. .. Without providing proof on paper of being recently tested no one should now be planning to meet I'm my opinion and that includes BB sex .. And many do not do that /refuse to that takes the responsible freedom of choice aspect away doesn't it? This also applies with Covid I think.. people will sensibly be providing testing evidence results before playing again or I suggest ought to be .. But lots will not be doing that _ased on some of the comments in the forum.. Some people won't take the jab or do any Lfts . Because they have freedom of choice not to do that .. Still won't stop other people being infected though a few partners down the line simply because of that choice .. It's just a shame that we can't trust people to be responsible and accountable for their behaviour that would make things much easier.. But then again that's always going to be the way of things I guess :/ " But you accepted it prior to the pandemic and it's not as though 2020 was the highest mortality rate in the last 60 years. There were also other announced pandemics that didn't make a difference. Bird flu, swine flu etc. Aids and hiv are still around and so are sti's herpes etc. Covid only added to the death rate but didn't decimate as lots appear to think. | |||
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" Not sure how I gave that impression? However it's about the same in principle with any transmitable thing . You say it's an 'individuals choice'.. I would say it only applies if a choice does not have an impact on someone else..so the individual needs to make a responsible and accountable choice in what they do right? arguably STIs and other things are spread through BB sex as is Aids which is still out there .. Particularly amongst people over 40! .. You can not guarantee someone's clean bill of health by deciding for yourself how to behave and hang the consequences. .. Without providing proof on paper of being recently tested no one should now be planning to meet I'm my opinion and that includes BB sex .. And many do not do that /refuse to that takes the responsible freedom of choice aspect away doesn't it? This also applies with Covid I think.. people will sensibly be providing testing evidence results before playing again or I suggest ought to be .. But lots will not be doing that _ased on some of the comments in the forum.. Some people won't take the jab or do any Lfts . Because they have freedom of choice not to do that .. Still won't stop other people being infected though a few partners down the line simply because of that choice .. It's just a shame that we can't trust people to be responsible and accountable for their behaviour that would make things much easier.. But then again that's always going to be the way of things I guess :/ " Of course it's an individuals choice, how can it be any different? The risks associated with anything in life all boil down to the personal choices people make whether its unprotected sex, bdsm,substance abuse or driving a car. You are looking at total irradiation of risk before decision which is a great utopian idea, but sadly very misplaced in today's society. People are people, they do people things according to their own choices. Bottom line is that people also have the choice to play it ultra safe and cocoon themselves from those who are doing otherwise. Are you wrong ? No is the short answer because its your choice and not for anyone else to castigate you. Am I right? | |||
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"Plus whilst dating sites are just that fab isn't it's more about the intimacy so closer contact Do you believe that Tinder, Grindr etc are just dating sites then ? Fab is diverse in its clientele with many here just here to be watched, soft swing, or even just curiosity. I genuinely cannot understand why obvious and blatant pics of meets are allowed through but shutting the forum section is seen as a responsible stance. I know of many places and people who are planning meets and events for after lockdown but have been banned for posting it. The sites you have mentioned are surrounded by dating and would fall under this category where as fab is associated with swinging I understand partly your point yes others are using other sites to meet people just purely for sex but just like most sites were classified as a dating site but people use them in different ways a swingers site falls more under a more intimate scale and the nature of swinging it's about contact if anything and dating sites doesn't show in a way of going to be intimate contact as that would fall under the individual to act responsibly yes this can occur with fab but will people take advantage or act sensibly So grindr and tinder are just dating sites? " Along those lines but I definitely know it's not _ased around swinging site because firstly the type of pictures an individual member is allowed to use on the site it can't be explicitly shown publicly as fab does many sites that had the option to even have those as private has gone | |||
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"I'd be more concerned because whilst many are against the vaccine wouldn't this be putting them at further risk regardless of government rules how would anyone control this complicated issue given other places have put things in place guidelines check before entering to avoid another spread of the virus... Would people still meet those who haven't been vaccinated without any consideration How would you know whether or not they've had their vaccination This is the problem. I have had both vaccines but nothing to prove it. We all.get a vaccine card stating what you have had what time and date for first and second dose...mine is kept in my wallet x I didn’t get a card, it’ll be on my record, but I’m still waiting for them to download the vaccine info to the app. " I'm sure loads of people who have been vaccinated are in this position which complicates things unnecessarily hopefully they get the ball rolling as I'm sure with it being sensitive information like most apps but this being in more detail as you or anyone else wouldnt know what other information it may contain to protect against identity theft hopefully you here soon and anyone else | |||
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"I can see this causing further issues in common/criminal law a person's actions acting without due care and attention should another be infected with the virus from not being vaccinated resulting to their death would this be murder or manslaughter who would be held accountable Neither
You are aware have been cases of those who were infected with HIV and so on which stood up in court I'm not a lawyer but memory serves me well and am knowledge when I let my brain kick in "Other STIs as well. Under England and Wales, it falls under sections 18 or 20 of the Offences Against the Person Act 1861. The CPS has a guidance document entitled "Intentional or Reckless Sexual Transmission of Infection" which is readily googleable. Whether or not that can be applied beyond STIs I don't know. | |||
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You are aware have been cases of those who were infected with HIV and so on which stood up in court I'm not a lawyer but memory serves me well and am knowledge when I let my brain kick in "Are you aware of the case of the ticket collector who died in London of Covid last year. They had a suspect but they could not prove that she was infected by him because she could have been infected anywhere. Are you aware that a person who has had both injections can still catch and pass on Covid so how beyond all reasonable doubt are you going to prove that a defendant can be the only person who could have infected the victim. Anyway back in the real world | |||
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"I can see this causing further issues in common/criminal law a person's actions acting without due care and attention should another be infected with the virus from not being vaccinated resulting to their death would this be murder or manslaughter who would be held accountable Neither
You are aware have been cases of those who were infected with HIV and so on which stood up in court I'm not a lawyer but memory serves me well and am knowledge when I let my brain kick in
Are you aware of the case of the ticket collector who died in London of Covid last year. They had a suspect but they could not prove that she was infected by him because she could have been infected anywhere.
Are you aware that a person who has had both injections can still catch and pass on Covid so how beyond all reasonable doubt are you going to prove that a defendant can be the only person who could have infected the victim.
Anyway back in the real world "I understand your point but in the real world this would come across from meeting whilst being allowed by a service provider who also has to cover it's users wellbeing given the nature of the site.... | |||
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"And where do you stop with apportioning blame? Perhaps we go to the power company who supply the electricity which powers the device on which you you connect to the internet. Maybe it's the ISP who is at fault for allowing access to to any site which allows the ability to hook up? If you are accessing these sites and interacting then it's because you made a personal choice to, not the fault of the domain holder. " I'm trying to figure this out how what you say would involve a virus and human life but as business who provide a service are duty bound for looking after it's users and given the nature of such site carrying the responsibility to act accordingly Part I find amusing people say other sites are doing this and that differently well if they do or not I'd sit back and wait until rather than question why or why not fab isn't it's not like you'd be suffering lacking contact | |||
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"And where do you stop with apportioning blame? Perhaps we go to the power company who supply the electricity which powers the device on which you you connect to the internet. Maybe it's the ISP who is at fault for allowing access to to any site which allows the ability to hook up? If you are accessing these sites and interacting then it's because you made a personal choice to, not the fault of the domain holder. I'm trying to figure this out how what you say would involve a virus and human life but as business who provide a service are duty bound for looking after it's users and given the nature of such site carrying the responsibility to act accordingly Part I find amusing people say other sites are doing this and that differently well if they do or not I'd sit back and wait until rather than question why or why not fab isn't it's not like you'd be suffering lacking contact "So no real rhyme or reason to the the original question then Just obfuscation and diversions from it ? Again though, your choice to ignore the real world and how the vast majority chooses to keep rolling. | |||
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"And where do you stop with apportioning blame? Perhaps we go to the power company who supply the electricity which powers the device on which you you connect to the internet. Maybe it's the ISP who is at fault for allowing access to to any site which allows the ability to hook up? If you are accessing these sites and interacting then it's because you made a personal choice to, not the fault of the domain holder. I'm trying to figure this out how what you say would involve a virus and human life but as business who provide a service are duty bound for looking after it's users and given the nature of such site carrying the responsibility to act accordingly Part I find amusing people say other sites are doing this and that differently well if they do or not I'd sit back and wait until rather than question why or why not fab isn't it's not like you'd be suffering lacking contact
So no real rhyme or reason to the the original question then Just obfuscation and diversions from it ?
Again though, your choice to ignore the real world and how the vast majority chooses to keep rolling. "Whilst fab is used nationally and internationally each part has different rules but also in a better position then others, how would fab be able to act accordingly to follow the rules set out by each government taking in mind the safety and following the road map I've been thinking outside the box not just UK because it's _ased around international too would people be restricted from using certain parts of the site that doesn't comply with their government rules would this put fab in an awkward position | |||
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" Whilst fab is used nationally and internationally each part has different rules but also in a better position then others, how would fab be able to act accordingly to follow the rules set out by each government taking in mind the safety and following the road map I've been thinking outside the box not just UK because it's _ased around international too would people be restricted from using certain parts of the site that doesn't comply with their government rules would this put fab in an awkward position "And how exactly do you suppose all the other sites circumvent this issue? Perhaps it's not a legal obligation, more of a personal opinion? | |||
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And how exactly do you suppose all the other sites circumvent this issue? Perhaps it's not a legal obligation, more of a personal opinion?"All sites are run differently some with the duty of care others just _ased on how much they are able to profit from but to legally promote and encourage when it's safe or not has I'm sure very strict guidelines and this could also be _ased on what kind of site it may be comparing fab to dating site it's impossible because they don't promote as a swingers site but more as dating and kinda of contact which it also involves even though each individual person might be using the social aspects but because it promotes the sexual side individual people are responsible how they act but being encouraged by a thread which goes against any rules set out by whoever I don't know whether it's a breach or not but acting accordingly | |||
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" Whilst fab is used nationally and internationally each part has different rules but also in a better position then others, how would fab be able to act accordingly to follow the rules set out by each government taking in mind the safety and following the road map I've been thinking outside the box not just UK because it's _ased around international too would people be restricted from using certain parts of the site that doesn't comply with their government rules would this put fab in an awkward position
And how exactly do you suppose all the other sites circumvent this issue? Perhaps it's not a legal obligation, more of a personal opinion?
All sites are run differently some with the duty of care others just _ased on how much they are able to profit from but to legally promote and encourage when it's safe or not has I'm sure very strict guidelines and this could also be _ased on what kind of site it may be comparing fab to dating site it's impossible because they don't promote as a swingers site but more as dating and kinda of contact which it also involves even though each individual person might be using the social aspects but because it promotes the sexual side individual people are responsible how they act but being encouraged by a thread which goes against any rules set out by whoever I don't know whether it's a breach or not but acting accordingly"It's been explained many times. I can't list the the other sites here but the legit swinging sites are all open for meet, events, and the like. This is really quite simple to grasp, I'm not sure why you are clutching at tenuous straws to defend when not even a forum mod has jumped in with an explanation. If they're allowing pics of obvious recent meets and veris too then why not open the rest? Have to confess, I didn't read your last post all the way through, got lost in what became a very long sentence. | |||
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" Whilst fab is used nationally and internationally each part has different rules but also in a better position then others, how would fab be able to act accordingly to follow the rules set out by each government taking in mind the safety and following the road map I've been thinking outside the box not just UK because it's _ased around international too would people be restricted from using certain parts of the site that doesn't comply with their government rules would this put fab in an awkward position
And how exactly do you suppose all the other sites circumvent this issue? Perhaps it's not a legal obligation, more of a personal opinion?
All sites are run differently some with the duty of care others just _ased on how much they are able to profit from but to legally promote and encourage when it's safe or not has I'm sure very strict guidelines and this could also be _ased on what kind of site it may be comparing fab to dating site it's impossible because they don't promote as a swingers site but more as dating and kinda of contact which it also involves even though each individual person might be using the social aspects but because it promotes the sexual side individual people are responsible how they act but being encouraged by a thread which goes against any rules set out by whoever I don't know whether it's a breach or not but acting accordingly
It's been explained many times. I can't list the the other sites here but the legit swinging sites are all open for meet, events, and the like.
This is really quite simple to grasp, I'm not sure why you are clutching at tenuous straws to defend when not even a forum mod has jumped in with an explanation.
If they're allowing pics of obvious recent meets and veris too then why not open the rest?
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"Plus whilst dating sites are just that fab isn't it's more about the intimacy so closer contact Do you believe that Tinder, Grindr etc are just dating sites then ? Fab is diverse in its clientele with many here just here to be watched, soft swing, or even just curiosity. I genuinely cannot understand why obvious and blatant pics of meets are allowed through but shutting the forum section is seen as a responsible stance. I know of many places and people who are planning meets and events for after lockdown but have been banned for posting it. The sites you have mentioned are surrounded by dating and would fall under this category where as fab is associated with swinging I understand partly your point yes others are using other sites to meet people just purely for sex but just like most sites were classified as a dating site but people use them in different ways a swingers site falls more under a more intimate scale and the nature of swinging it's about contact if anything and dating sites doesn't show in a way of going to be intimate contact as that would fall under the individual to act responsibly yes this can occur with fab but will people take advantage or act sensibly So grindr and tinder are just dating sites? Along those lines but I definitely know it's not _ased around swinging site because firstly the type of pictures an individual member is allowed to use on the site it can't be explicitly shown publicly as fab does many sites that had the option to even have those as private has gone "Well according to my friend, grindr is a meeting site. He knows as he's met lots off there and within a few minutes. | |||
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"Plus whilst dating sites are just that fab isn't it's more about the intimacy so closer contact Do you believe that Tinder, Grindr etc are just dating sites then ? Fab is diverse in its clientele with many here just here to be watched, soft swing, or even just curiosity. I genuinely cannot understand why obvious and blatant pics of meets are allowed through but shutting the forum section is seen as a responsible stance. I know of many places and people who are planning meets and events for after lockdown but have been banned for posting it. The sites you have mentioned are surrounded by dating and would fall under this category where as fab is associated with swinging I understand partly your point yes others are using other sites to meet people just purely for sex but just like most sites were classified as a dating site but people use them in different ways a swingers site falls more under a more intimate scale and the nature of swinging it's about contact if anything and dating sites doesn't show in a way of going to be intimate contact as that would fall under the individual to act responsibly yes this can occur with fab but will people take advantage or act sensibly So grindr and tinder are just dating sites? Along those lines but I definitely know it's not _ased around swinging site because firstly the type of pictures an individual member is allowed to use on the site it can't be explicitly shown publicly as fab does many sites that had the option to even have those as private has gone
Well according to my friend, grindr is a meeting site. He knows as he's met lots off there and within a few minutes. "Thank you for getting back on this and a majority are classified as meeting whilst dating but nowhere close to the nature of fab which is a swingers site, I'm sure in their terms and conditions of those sites has pointed this out | |||
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" Well according to my friend, grindr is a meeting site. He knows as he's met lots off there and within a few minutes. We all know this but it seems someone is trying to use tenuous reasoning to mitigate. Nearly all the dating apps are used for instashag meets, I dare say you'd get better results from one of those than fab or any other swinger site to be honest. But whilst they are just dating site and are or have been used as people intend on but I'm sure the genuine people behind using those are looking for a relationship or friends and have been fed up with the direct approach of cock shots and people just looking for sexual unlike fab it's _ased around sexual and how people intend to use it further" Not sure what planet you are living on to believe that these dating apps are used as friends and relationship searches. Still haven't addressed any of the other points made on this thread either. Fab is literally the only swinger site that has this block still in place. If that doesn't tell you something then I'll just throw in the towel now. | |||
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" Well according to my friend, grindr is a meeting site. He knows as he's met lots off there and within a few minutes. We all know this but it seems someone is trying to use tenuous reasoning to mitigate. Nearly all the dating apps are used for instashag meets, I dare say you'd get better results from one of those than fab or any other swinger site to be honest. But whilst they are just dating site and are or have been used as people intend on but I'm sure the genuine people behind using those are looking for a relationship or friends and have been fed up with the direct approach of cock shots and people just looking for sexual unlike fab it's _ased around sexual and how people intend to use it further Not sure what planet you are living on to believe that these dating apps are used as friends and relationship searches. Still haven't addressed any of the other points made on this thread either. Fab is literally the only swinger site that has this block still in place. If that doesn't tell you something then I'll just throw in the towel now. " I think I pointed out that they were mainly surrounding relationship and friends but others have been using them for sexual now keeping this in mind I am not only familiar with loads of dating sites but in past have made loads of friends via them and also began a relationships so hearing from many I've chatted with and hearing a response I'm very familiar what does happen and also all these dating sites have been pointed out as dating but it's how each individual person has used these and whilst fab is a swingers site yes people have also found a relationship so does that make fab a swingers site or dating site I'll leave this hopefully to any forum mod to clarify this best way so I understand and maybe others too | |||
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" Well according to my friend, grindr is a meeting site. He knows as he's met lots off there and within a few minutes. We all know this but it seems someone is trying to use tenuous reasoning to mitigate. Nearly all the dating apps are used for instashag meets, I dare say you'd get better results from one of those than fab or any other swinger site to be honest. But whilst they are just dating site and are or have been used as people intend on but I'm sure the genuine people behind using those are looking for a relationship or friends and have been fed up with the direct approach of cock shots and people just looking for sexual unlike fab it's _ased around sexual and how people intend to use it further Not sure what planet you are living on to believe that these dating apps are used as friends and relationship searches. Still haven't addressed any of the other points made on this thread either. Fab is literally the only swinger site that has this block still in place. If that doesn't tell you something then I'll just throw in the towel now. I think I pointed out that they were mainly surrounding relationship and friends but others have been using them for sexual now keeping this in mind I am not only familiar with loads of dating sites but in past have made loads of friends via them and also began a relationships so hearing from many I've chatted with and hearing a response I'm very familiar what does happen and also all these dating sites have been pointed out as dating but it's how each individual person has used these and whilst fab is a swingers site yes people have also found a relationship so does that make fab a swingers site or dating site I'll leave this hopefully to any forum mod to clarify this best way so I understand and maybe others too " | |||
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"I'd be more concerned because whilst many are against the vaccine wouldn't this be putting them at further risk regardless of government rules how would anyone control this complicated issue given other places have put things in place guidelines check before entering to avoid another spread of the virus... Would people still meet those who haven't been vaccinated without any consideration How would you know whether or not they've had their vaccination This is the problem. I have had both vaccines but nothing to prove it. Wasn't you given an appointment card with dates for each vaccine this states that you have had both as proof
No. Mine was done through work."I've heard this before . How will you prove you've had both jabs? I wonder if there's any repercussions not been able to prove it It's a difficult one for you hope there's a way for you to prove it . Eg Holidays and maybe concerts and shows | |||
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I've heard this before . How will you prove you've had both jabs?
I wonder if there's any repercussions not been able to prove it
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"Plus whilst dating sites are just that fab isn't it's more about the intimacy so closer contact Do you believe that Tinder, Grindr etc are just dating sites then ? Fab is diverse in its clientele with many here just here to be watched, soft swing, or even just curiosity. I genuinely cannot understand why obvious and blatant pics of meets are allowed through but shutting the forum section is seen as a responsible stance. I know of many places and people who are planning meets and events for after lockdown but have been banned for posting it. The sites you have mentioned are surrounded by dating and would fall under this category where as fab is associated with swinging I understand partly your point yes others are using other sites to meet people just purely for sex but just like most sites were classified as a dating site but people use them in different ways a swingers site falls more under a more intimate scale and the nature of swinging it's about contact if anything and dating sites doesn't show in a way of going to be intimate contact as that would fall under the individual to act responsibly yes this can occur with fab but will people take advantage or act sensibly So grindr and tinder are just dating sites? Along those lines but I definitely know it's not _ased around swinging site because firstly the type of pictures an individual member is allowed to use on the site it can't be explicitly shown publicly as fab does many sites that had the option to even have those as private has gone
Well according to my friend, grindr is a meeting site. He knows as he's met lots off there and within a few minutes.
Thank you for getting back on this and a majority are classified as meeting whilst dating but nowhere close to the nature of fab which is a swingers site, I'm sure in their terms and conditions of those sites has pointed this out"Are you really serious? Perhaps your use of grindr is different than my friends | |||
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"I'd have thought it needs updating now as it mentions June and some people may think it means June next Month!" No one is allowed to post future events that might happen if things go to plan. So whatever the text says, the board itself is effectively closed anyway. It would be nice to see updates that coincide with the Government advice | |||
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"I'd be more concerned because whilst many are against the vaccine wouldn't this be putting them at further risk regardless of government rules how would anyone control this complicated issue given other places have put things in place guidelines check before entering to avoid another spread of the virus... Would people still meet those who haven't been vaccinated without any consideration How would you know whether or not they've had their vaccination This is the problem. I have had both vaccines but nothing to prove it. " See if your GP has an online booking app or an app called airmid is used, I can access my record on there to show I've had it done x | |||
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I agree - June 1st is almost a year ago!"Scroll to the bottom, it says "Just a quick update on this. If you are following the local Covid-19 guidance in your country/locality (as some rules are very location specific), as per our post above, that is OK. This continues to be the case as governments update their guidelines. If you are choosing to meet in a way that follows the guidance at that time, there is no problem. Admin" | |||
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I agree - June 1st is almost a year ago!
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If you are following the local Covid-19 guidance in your country/locality (as some rules are very location specific), as per our post above, that is OK.
This continues to be the case as governments update their guidelines. If you are choosing to meet in a way that follows the guidance at that time, there is no problem.
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" Well according to my friend, grindr is a meeting site. He knows as he's met lots off there and within a few minutes. We all know this but it seems someone is trying to use tenuous reasoning to mitigate. Nearly all the dating apps are used for instashag meets, I dare say you'd get better results from one of those than fab or any other swinger site to be honest. But whilst they are just dating site and are or have been used as people intend on but I'm sure the genuine people behind using those are looking for a relationship or friends and have been fed up with the direct approach of cock shots and people just looking for sexual unlike fab it's _ased around sexual and how people intend to use it further Wow, you've really got that wrong. Particularly grindr is a meet to shag site. Far faster than fab ever has been.. Just saying " I just find it difficult to understand how or why speak of other sites as being so highly successful and speedy yet to notify myself you are here to do this so I must be missing something or not but since it's been a long day I'm going to lay down as I can feel a migraine coming on | |||
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"Bottom line is would people still meet others sexually knowing haven't been vaccinated or would you stick to only social with those and if the person was unable to provide proof would you still continue. Each business must take reasonable steps to ensure to the safety of the public And users who intend to use. Anything which might be booked I'm sure a person would have to provide proof that they have been vaccinated or willing to provide a sample prior to booking flights have already started doing checks before departure hope fab finds a solution" I really hope they don’t, we couldn’t care less if you’ve been vaccinated or not...... we have | |||
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" How would you know whether or not they've had their vaccination This is the problem. I have had both vaccines but nothing to prove it. " You should be able to provide a card from the place where you had your vaccination with details of the vaccination you received, I got one and still have it for when I get my 2nd jab next month. | |||
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" How would you know whether or not they've had their vaccination This is the problem. I have had both vaccines but nothing to prove it. You should be able to provide a card from the place where you had your vaccination with details of the vaccination you received, I got one and still have it for when I get my 2nd jab next month. " The only card the pubs and clubs are going to want you to have is your debit card ..... | |||
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" How would you know whether or not they've had their vaccination This is the problem. I have had both vaccines but nothing to prove it. You should be able to provide a card from the place where you had your vaccination with details of the vaccination you received, I got one and still have it for when I get my 2nd jab next month. " I've had both jabs and didn't get a card either times. Not all areas gave cards out Mrs | |||
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"If you download the nhs app and register on it, (not the covid app) you can access your medical history which your employer should have notified your gp about) so the vaccinations will be listed on there. This is the “vaccine passport” that we are using." I don't understand the bit about an employer notifying the GP. I have full access to my medical records without any employer involvement. My two Covid vaccinations are both listed. | |||
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" It makes no difference to me either, but that is a very good point, all the dating apps are fully functional, and allowing the users to make the decisions. I agree, all other swinging or dating sites have no restrictions whatsoever. Time to get our verifications back at least "Guess you haven't been looking at your app .... we have got the verifications bsck and the club reviews section x | |||
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" How would you know whether or not they've had their vaccination This is the problem. I have had both vaccines but nothing to prove it. You should be able to provide a card from the place where you had your vaccination with details of the vaccination you received, I got one and still have it for when I get my 2nd jab next month. I've had both jabs and didn't get a card either times. Not all areas gave cards out Mrs" I got a vaccination card im sure if you ask your gp or the place you got jab they should give you something to say you have had it xx I will not be meeting anyone who has refused to have it x | |||
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" Well according to my friend, grindr is a meeting site. He knows as he's met lots off there and within a few minutes. We all know this but it seems someone is trying to use tenuous reasoning to mitigate. Nearly all the dating apps are used for instashag meets, I dare say you'd get better results from one of those than fab or any other swinger site to be honest. But whilst they are just dating site and are or have been used as people intend on but I'm sure the genuine people behind using those are looking for a relationship or friends and have been fed up with the direct approach of cock shots and people just looking for sexual unlike fab it's _ased around sexual and how people intend to use it further Wow, you've really got that wrong. Particularly grindr is a meet to shag site. Far faster than fab ever has been.. Just saying I just find it difficult to understand how or why speak of other sites as being so highly successful and speedy yet to notify myself you are here to do this so I must be missing something or not but since it's been a long day I'm going to lay down as I can feel a migraine coming on " I didn't say it was more successful and obviously I'm not on it but I think you need to realise what the other sits are. This site is far better as regards meeting safely. | |||
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"The plague has nowhere near gone away." It's not a plague. It's a virus. It's a pandemic. It is not a plague | |||
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"The plague has nowhere near gone away. It's not a plague. It's a virus. It's a pandemic. It is not a plague " noun 1. a contagious bacterial disease characterized by fever and delirium, typically with the formation of buboes ( bubonic plague ) and sometimes infection of the lungs ( pneumonic plague ). Yet Corona attacks the breathing apparatus | |||
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"Bottom line is would people still meet others sexually knowing haven't been vaccinated or would you stick to only social with those and if the person was unable to provide proof would you still continue. Each business must take reasonable steps to ensure to the safety of the public And users who intend to use. Anything which might be booked I'm sure a person would have to provide proof that they have been vaccinated or willing to provide a sample prior to booking flights have already started doing checks before departure hope fab finds a solution I really hope they don’t, we couldn’t care less if you’ve been vaccinated or not...... we have That's the exact point. If you've done all you can to protect yourself (and others) why would you worry if the other person hasn't had it? Is their scientific data to say just because a person who has had the vaccine is unable to be a carrier just because that person may not feel unwell from the virus, I assumed the vaccine reduced the impact of the virus I'm sure someone will enlighten true facts behind this and if any dangers were permitted from person to person vaccinated to non vaccinated" Yes you can still contract it and pass it on but you've done all you can to protect yourself. Their health is their responsibility | |||
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"The plague has nowhere near gone away. It's not a plague. It's a virus. It's a pandemic. It is not a plague noun 1. a contagious bacterial disease characterized by fever and delirium, typically with the formation of buboes ( bubonic plague ) and sometimes infection of the lungs ( pneumonic plague ). Yet Corona attacks the breathing apparatus " So one part applies. Colds and flu's are aligned but they're not plagues | |||
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"Bottom line is would people still meet others sexually knowing haven't been vaccinated or would you stick to only social with those and if the person was unable to provide proof would you still continue. Each business must take reasonable steps to ensure to the safety of the public And users who intend to use. Anything which might be booked I'm sure a person would have to provide proof that they have been vaccinated or willing to provide a sample prior to booking flights have already started doing checks before departure hope fab finds a solution I really hope they don’t, we couldn’t care less if you’ve been vaccinated or not...... we have That's the exact point. If you've done all you can to protect yourself (and others) why would you worry if the other person hasn't had it? Is their scientific data to say just because a person who has had the vaccine is unable to be a carrier just because that person may not feel unwell from the virus, I assumed the vaccine reduced the impact of the virus I'm sure someone will enlighten true facts behind this and if any dangers were permitted from person to person vaccinated to non vaccinated Yes you can still contract it and pass it on but you've done all you can to protect yourself. Their health is their responsibility " So I'm hearing this correct it would be correct as you've put it happily spread the virus to a non vaccinated person just because one has took precautions of their own safety  wouldn't the person who has had the vaccine be responsible for a non vaccinated person knowing what could occur and the dangers the risk factors or are we going back to the terms of the pill and and condom and someone falling pregnant | |||
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"No idea, is our honest answer. Will take it slow and play it by ear, however comfortable we feel. It's been a long time since any swingers meets, clubs, parties,holidays. Socials first for us. Swingers holiday booked for September. " | |||
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"Bottom line is would people still meet others sexually knowing haven't been vaccinated or would you stick to only social with those and if the person was unable to provide proof would you still continue. Each business must take reasonable steps to ensure to the safety of the public And users who intend to use. Anything which might be booked I'm sure a person would have to provide proof that they have been vaccinated or willing to provide a sample prior to booking flights have already started doing checks before departure hope fab finds a solution I really hope they don’t, we couldn’t care less if you’ve been vaccinated or not...... we have That's the exact point. If you've done all you can to protect yourself (and others) why would you worry if the other person hasn't had it? Is their scientific data to say just because a person who has had the vaccine is unable to be a carrier just because that person may not feel unwell from the virus, I assumed the vaccine reduced the impact of the virus I'm sure someone will enlighten true facts behind this and if any dangers were permitted from person to person vaccinated to non vaccinated Yes you can still contract it and pass it on but you've done all you can to protect yourself. Their health is their responsibility So I'm hearing this correct it would be correct as you've put it happily spread the virus to a non vaccinated person just because one has took precautions of their own safety wouldn't the person who has had the vaccine be responsible for a non vaccinated person knowing what could occur and the dangers the risk factors or are we going back to the terms of the pill and and condom and someone falling pregnant "I think you deliberately trying to muddy the waters with that derisory comment. You're saying it's my responsibility if they decide not to have the vaccine? That's some strange way of twisting what is reality. If they don't want to have the vaccine, that's their choice. Aren't they responsible for their own health and well-being? They can contract the virus from anyone. Why would you want to blame me? I've done all that I can. | |||
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"Bottom line is would people still meet others sexually knowing haven't been vaccinated or would you stick to only social with those and if the person was unable to provide proof would you still continue. Each business must take reasonable steps to ensure to the safety of the public And users who intend to use. Anything which might be booked I'm sure a person would have to provide proof that they have been vaccinated or willing to provide a sample prior to booking flights have already started doing checks before departure hope fab finds a solution I really hope they don’t, we couldn’t care less if you’ve been vaccinated or not...... we have That's the exact point. If you've done all you can to protect yourself (and others) why would you worry if the other person hasn't had it? Is their scientific data to say just because a person who has had the vaccine is unable to be a carrier just because that person may not feel unwell from the virus, I assumed the vaccine reduced the impact of the virus I'm sure someone will enlighten true facts behind this and if any dangers were permitted from person to person vaccinated to non vaccinated Yes you can still contract it and pass it on but you've done all you can to protect yourself. Their health is their responsibility So I'm hearing this correct it would be correct as you've put it happily spread the virus to a non vaccinated person just because one has took precautions of their own safety wouldn't the person who has had the vaccine be responsible for a non vaccinated person knowing what could occur and the dangers the risk factors or are we going back to the terms of the pill and and condom and someone falling pregnant
I think you deliberately trying to muddy the waters with that derisory comment. You're saying it's my responsibility if they decide not to have the vaccine? That's some strange way of twisting what is reality. If they don't want to have the vaccine, that's their choice. Aren't they responsible for their own health and well-being? They can contract the virus from anyone. Why would you want to blame me? I've done all that I can. "I'm not using the blame game but doesn't a person have a duty of care for others to act responsibly whether others know or not but one does is the point I'm trying to make hopefully you understand this better... | |||
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I think you deliberately trying to muddy the waters with that derisory comment. You're saying it's my responsibility if they decide not to have the vaccine? That's some strange way of twisting what is reality. If they don't want to have the vaccine, that's their choice. Aren't they responsible for their own health and well-being? They can contract the virus from anyone. Why would you want to blame me? I've done all that I can. "I quote please explain at what point have I said you are responsible for another not having the vaccine. I pointed out just because you as a person has had the vaccine were still willing to meet another who hadn't been vaccinated and taking the responsibility away from yoursel_ and blaming the other person when you are able to avoid further transmission this is no way twisted in any form but straightforward not having a duty to act responsibly for another knowing the risks involved if you look up Archibald it's a law book you'll find it very much interesting how an act can be unlawful or prohibited to acting responsibly for others | |||
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"Bottom line is would people still meet others sexually knowing haven't been vaccinated or would you stick to only social with those and if the person was unable to provide proof would you still continue. Each business must take reasonable steps to ensure to the safety of the public And users who intend to use. Anything which might be booked I'm sure a person would have to provide proof that they have been vaccinated or willing to provide a sample prior to booking flights have already started doing checks before departure hope fab finds a solution I really hope they don’t, we couldn’t care less if you’ve been vaccinated or not...... we have That's the exact point. If you've done all you can to protect yourself (and others) why would you worry if the other person hasn't had it? Is their scientific data to say just because a person who has had the vaccine is unable to be a carrier just because that person may not feel unwell from the virus, I assumed the vaccine reduced the impact of the virus I'm sure someone will enlighten true facts behind this and if any dangers were permitted from person to person vaccinated to non vaccinated Yes you can still contract it and pass it on but you've done all you can to protect yourself. Their health is their responsibility So I'm hearing this correct it would be correct as you've put it happily spread the virus to a non vaccinated person just because one has took precautions of their own safety wouldn't the person who has had the vaccine be responsible for a non vaccinated person knowing what could occur and the dangers the risk factors or are we going back to the terms of the pill and and condom and someone falling pregnant
I think you deliberately trying to muddy the waters with that derisory comment. You're saying it's my responsibility if they decide not to have the vaccine? That's some strange way of twisting what is reality. If they don't want to have the vaccine, that's their choice. Aren't they responsible for their own health and well-being? They can contract the virus from anyone. Why would you want to blame me? I've done all that I can.
I'm not using the blame game but doesn't a person have a duty of care for others to act responsibly whether others know or not but one does is the point I'm trying to make hopefully you understand this better... "So what more am I expected to do. I've had my vaccination (both) and I cannot demand people show theirs to me. That's personal. So what do you suggest? Lock myself away now I'm fully vaccinated? | |||
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I think you deliberately trying to muddy the waters with that derisory comment. You're saying it's my responsibility if they decide not to have the vaccine? That's some strange way of twisting what is reality. If they don't want to have the vaccine, that's their choice. Aren't they responsible for their own health and well-being? They can contract the virus from anyone. Why would you want to blame me? I've done all that I can.
I quote please explain at what point have I said you are responsible for another not having the vaccine.
I pointed out just because you as a person has had the vaccine were still willing to meet another who hadn't been vaccinated and taking the responsibility away from yoursel_ and blaming the other person when you are able to avoid further transmission this is no way twisted in any form but straightforward not having a duty to act responsibly for another knowing the risks involved if you look up Archibald it's a law book you'll find it very much interesting how an act can be unlawful or prohibited to acting responsibly for others "How am I allowed to insist that the other person or persons show me their vaccination certificate? Like going into a supermarket, the security can ask you to wear a mask but if you're exempt, they cannot demand to know why. Not everyone is going to be vaccinated but you're claiming that I should do things I'm not allowed to do. Does Archibald also say about car drivers, pedestrians etc. I have done absolutely everything I can possibly do under the current laws and regulations but you're saying it's not enough. Personally, I think sti's are far more dangerous and bareback still goes on. | |||
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" I quote please explain at what point have I said you are responsible for another not having the vaccine. I pointed out just because you as a person has had the vaccine were still willing to meet another who hadn't been vaccinated and taking the responsibility away from yoursel_ and blaming the other person when you are able to avoid further transmission this is no way twisted in any form but straightforward not having a duty to act responsibly for another knowing the risks involved if you look up Archibald it's a law book you'll find it very much interesting how an act can be unlawful or prohibited to acting responsibly for others "It's quite simple to grasp really, but here's an analogy for you. If 1000 people go to the beach and enter the water, safe in the knowledge that they can swim and look after themselves, would any of them be held liable for someone drowning who knew they couldn't hold their own in the water ? Each and every person is responsible for their own health and should make their own decisions to protect it. Asking the planet to assume and risk assess a strangers medical needs is entirely impractical, not to mention ridiculous. If its pissing down with rain then I can choose to go out and get soaked or stay inside until its dry. Would you expect me to warn a 70 year old stranger of the dangers of getting pneumonia by going outside ? If everyone that's fears for their health took precautionary steps according to their own situation, then the issue would be muted. | |||
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"Bottom line is would people still meet others sexually knowing haven't been vaccinated or would you stick to only social with those and if the person was unable to provide proof would you still continue. Each business must take reasonable steps to ensure to the safety of the public And users who intend to use. Anything which might be booked I'm sure a person would have to provide proof that they have been vaccinated or willing to provide a sample prior to booking flights have already started doing checks before departure hope fab finds a solution I really hope they don’t, we couldn’t care less if you’ve been vaccinated or not...... we have That's the exact point. If you've done all you can to protect yourself (and others) why would you worry if the other person hasn't had it? Is their scientific data to say just because a person who has had the vaccine is unable to be a carrier just because that person may not feel unwell from the virus, I assumed the vaccine reduced the impact of the virus I'm sure someone will enlighten true facts behind this and if any dangers were permitted from person to person vaccinated to non vaccinated Yes you can still contract it and pass it on but you've done all you can to protect yourself. Their health is their responsibility So I'm hearing this correct it would be correct as you've put it happily spread the virus to a non vaccinated person just because one has took precautions of their own safety wouldn't the person who has had the vaccine be responsible for a non vaccinated person knowing what could occur and the dangers the risk factors or are we going back to the terms of the pill and and condom and someone falling pregnant
I think you deliberately trying to muddy the waters with that derisory comment. You're saying it's my responsibility if they decide not to have the vaccine? That's some strange way of twisting what is reality. If they don't want to have the vaccine, that's their choice. Aren't they responsible for their own health and well-being? They can contract the virus from anyone. Why would you want to blame me? I've done all that I can.
I quote please explain at what point have I said you are responsible for another not having the vaccine.
I pointed out just because you as a person has had the vaccine were still willing to meet another who hadn't been vaccinated and taking the responsibility away from yoursel_ and blaming the other person when you are able to avoid further transmission this is no way twisted in any form but straightforward not having a duty to act responsibly for another knowing the risks involved if you look up Archibald it's a law book you'll find it very much interesting how an act can be unlawful or prohibited to acting responsibly for others
How am I allowed to insist that the other person or persons show me their vaccination certificate? Like going into a supermarket, the security can ask you to wear a mask but if you're exempt, they cannot demand to know why.
Not everyone is going to be vaccinated but you're claiming that I should do things I'm not allowed to do. Does Archibald also say about car drivers, pedestrians etc.
I have done absolutely everything I can possibly do under the current laws and regulations but you're saying it's not enough.
Personally, I think sti's are far more dangerous and bareback still goes on. "I'm going to rest my case because I am a responsible person and at times have been unreasonable but via this became a knowledgeable person who acts with a duty of care for others and I have a conscience,I wouldn't like to place another person in danger via my own actions acting irresponsibly so on that note may the force be with you so you may understand the importance and not the selfish act of need and want because I can | |||
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" I quote please explain at what point have I said you are responsible for another not having the vaccine. I pointed out just because you as a person has had the vaccine were still willing to meet another who hadn't been vaccinated and taking the responsibility away from yoursel_ and blaming the other person when you are able to avoid further transmission this is no way twisted in any form but straightforward not having a duty to act responsibly for another knowing the risks involved if you look up Archibald it's a law book you'll find it very much interesting how an act can be unlawful or prohibited to acting responsibly for others
It's quite simple to grasp really, but here's an analogy for you.
If 1000 people go to the beach and enter the water, safe in the knowledge that they can swim and look after themselves, would any of them be held liable for someone drowning who knew they couldn't hold their own in the water ?
Each and every person is responsible for their own health and should make their own decisions to protect it. Asking the planet to assume and risk assess a strangers medical needs is entirely impractical, not to mention ridiculous.
If its pissing down with rain then I can choose to go out and get soaked or stay inside until its dry. Would you expect me to warn a 70 year old stranger of the dangers of getting pneumonia by going outside ?
If everyone that's fears for their health took precautionary steps according to their own situation, then the issue would be muted. "Thank you | |||
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"Bottom line is would people still meet others sexually knowing haven't been vaccinated or would you stick to only social with those and if the person was unable to provide proof would you still continue. Each business must take reasonable steps to ensure to the safety of the public And users who intend to use. Anything which might be booked I'm sure a person would have to provide proof that they have been vaccinated or willing to provide a sample prior to booking flights have already started doing checks before departure hope fab finds a solution I really hope they don’t, we couldn’t care less if you’ve been vaccinated or not...... we have That's the exact point. If you've done all you can to protect yourself (and others) why would you worry if the other person hasn't had it? Is their scientific data to say just because a person who has had the vaccine is unable to be a carrier just because that person may not feel unwell from the virus, I assumed the vaccine reduced the impact of the virus I'm sure someone will enlighten true facts behind this and if any dangers were permitted from person to person vaccinated to non vaccinated Yes you can still contract it and pass it on but you've done all you can to protect yourself. Their health is their responsibility So I'm hearing this correct it would be correct as you've put it happily spread the virus to a non vaccinated person just because one has took precautions of their own safety wouldn't the person who has had the vaccine be responsible for a non vaccinated person knowing what could occur and the dangers the risk factors or are we going back to the terms of the pill and and condom and someone falling pregnant
I think you deliberately trying to muddy the waters with that derisory comment. You're saying it's my responsibility if they decide not to have the vaccine? That's some strange way of twisting what is reality. If they don't want to have the vaccine, that's their choice. Aren't they responsible for their own health and well-being? They can contract the virus from anyone. Why would you want to blame me? I've done all that I can.
I quote please explain at what point have I said you are responsible for another not having the vaccine.
I pointed out just because you as a person has had the vaccine were still willing to meet another who hadn't been vaccinated and taking the responsibility away from yoursel_ and blaming the other person when you are able to avoid further transmission this is no way twisted in any form but straightforward not having a duty to act responsibly for another knowing the risks involved if you look up Archibald it's a law book you'll find it very much interesting how an act can be unlawful or prohibited to acting responsibly for others
How am I allowed to insist that the other person or persons show me their vaccination certificate? Like going into a supermarket, the security can ask you to wear a mask but if you're exempt, they cannot demand to know why.
Not everyone is going to be vaccinated but you're claiming that I should do things I'm not allowed to do. Does Archibald also say about car drivers, pedestrians etc.
I have done absolutely everything I can possibly do under the current laws and regulations but you're saying it's not enough.
Personally, I think sti's are far more dangerous and bareback still goes on.
I'm going to rest my case because I am a responsible person and at times have been unreasonable but via this became a knowledgeable person who acts with a duty of care for others and I have a conscience,I wouldn't like to place another person in danger via my own actions acting irresponsibly so on that note may the force be with you so you may understand the importance and not the selfish act of need and want because I can "So how am I selfish? | |||
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" I quote please explain at what point have I said you are responsible for another not having the vaccine. I pointed out just because you as a person has had the vaccine were still willing to meet another who hadn't been vaccinated and taking the responsibility away from yoursel_ and blaming the other person when you are able to avoid further transmission this is no way twisted in any form but straightforward not having a duty to act responsibly for another knowing the risks involved if you look up Archibald it's a law book you'll find it very much interesting how an act can be unlawful or prohibited to acting responsibly for others
It's quite simple to grasp really, but here's an analogy for you.
If 1000 people go to the beach and enter the water, safe in the knowledge that they can swim and look after themselves, would any of them be held liable for someone drowning who knew they couldn't hold their own in the water ?
Each and every person is responsible for their own health and should make their own decisions to protect it. Asking the planet to assume and risk assess a strangers medical needs is entirely impractical, not to mention ridiculous.
If its pissing down with rain then I can choose to go out and get soaked or stay inside until its dry. Would you expect me to warn a 70 year old stranger of the dangers of getting pneumonia by going outside ?
If everyone that's fears for their health took precautionary steps according to their own situation, then the issue would be muted. "Wow I'm guessing you're very familiar with the law how it stands from a person's actions and how their actions have an impact on another who would be responsible under criminal law it's the individual person who is aware that acts without reason for their own satisfaction, greed, and so on and not taking in consideration for the safety and well-being of of another all I have to say on this matter is life is full of choices but which choices does an individual person becomes accountable for and can it be avoided but decided not to criminal law books are very interesting to understand when a person is committing an offence without acting responsibly knowing the risks involved | |||
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"Bottom line is would people still meet others sexually knowing haven't been vaccinated or would you stick to only social with those and if the person was unable to provide proof would you still continue. Each business must take reasonable steps to ensure to the safety of the public And users who intend to use. Anything which might be booked I'm sure a person would have to provide proof that they have been vaccinated or willing to provide a sample prior to booking flights have already started doing checks before departure hope fab finds a solution I really hope they don’t, we couldn’t care less if you’ve been vaccinated or not...... we have That's the exact point. If you've done all you can to protect yourself (and others) why would you worry if the other person hasn't had it? Is their scientific data to say just because a person who has had the vaccine is unable to be a carrier just because that person may not feel unwell from the virus, I assumed the vaccine reduced the impact of the virus I'm sure someone will enlighten true facts behind this and if any dangers were permitted from person to person vaccinated to non vaccinated Yes you can still contract it and pass it on but you've done all you can to protect yourself. Their health is their responsibility So I'm hearing this correct it would be correct as you've put it happily spread the virus to a non vaccinated person just because one has took precautions of their own safety wouldn't the person who has had the vaccine be responsible for a non vaccinated person knowing what could occur and the dangers the risk factors or are we going back to the terms of the pill and and condom and someone falling pregnant
I think you deliberately trying to muddy the waters with that derisory comment. You're saying it's my responsibility if they decide not to have the vaccine? That's some strange way of twisting what is reality. If they don't want to have the vaccine, that's their choice. Aren't they responsible for their own health and well-being? They can contract the virus from anyone. Why would you want to blame me? I've done all that I can.
I quote please explain at what point have I said you are responsible for another not having the vaccine.
I pointed out just because you as a person has had the vaccine were still willing to meet another who hadn't been vaccinated and taking the responsibility away from yoursel_ and blaming the other person when you are able to avoid further transmission this is no way twisted in any form but straightforward not having a duty to act responsibly for another knowing the risks involved if you look up Archibald it's a law book you'll find it very much interesting how an act can be unlawful or prohibited to acting responsibly for others
How am I allowed to insist that the other person or persons show me their vaccination certificate? Like going into a supermarket, the security can ask you to wear a mask but if you're exempt, they cannot demand to know why.
Not everyone is going to be vaccinated but you're claiming that I should do things I'm not allowed to do. Does Archibald also say about car drivers, pedestrians etc.
I have done absolutely everything I can possibly do under the current laws and regulations but you're saying it's not enough.
Personally, I think sti's are far more dangerous and bareback still goes on.
I'm going to rest my case because I am a responsible person and at times have been unreasonable but via this became a knowledgeable person who acts with a duty of care for others and I have a conscience,I wouldn't like to place another person in danger via my own actions acting irresponsibly so on that note may the force be with you so you may understand the importance and not the selfish act of need and want because I can
So how am I selfish? "I give up if you don't understand the importance how your actions have an impact on another and who would remain responsible because you are aware solicitors give free advice I'm sure would assist or even CAB | |||
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" Personally, I think sti's are far more dangerous and bareback still goes on. Tell that to the families of over 150000 people who have died" Thank you for pointing this out x | |||
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"Bottom line is would people still meet others sexually knowing haven't been vaccinated or would you stick to only social with those and if the person was unable to provide proof would you still continue. Each business must take reasonable steps to ensure to the safety of the public And users who intend to use. Anything which might be booked I'm sure a person would have to provide proof that they have been vaccinated or willing to provide a sample prior to booking flights have already started doing checks before departure hope fab finds a solution I really hope they don’t, we couldn’t care less if you’ve been vaccinated or not...... we have That's the exact point. If you've done all you can to protect yourself (and others) why would you worry if the other person hasn't had it? Is their scientific data to say just because a person who has had the vaccine is unable to be a carrier just because that person may not feel unwell from the virus, I assumed the vaccine reduced the impact of the virus I'm sure someone will enlighten true facts behind this and if any dangers were permitted from person to person vaccinated to non vaccinated Yes you can still contract it and pass it on but you've done all you can to protect yourself. Their health is their responsibility So I'm hearing this correct it would be correct as you've put it happily spread the virus to a non vaccinated person just because one has took precautions of their own safety wouldn't the person who has had the vaccine be responsible for a non vaccinated person knowing what could occur and the dangers the risk factors or are we going back to the terms of the pill and and condom and someone falling pregnant
I think you deliberately trying to muddy the waters with that derisory comment. You're saying it's my responsibility if they decide not to have the vaccine? That's some strange way of twisting what is reality. If they don't want to have the vaccine, that's their choice. Aren't they responsible for their own health and well-being? They can contract the virus from anyone. Why would you want to blame me? I've done all that I can.
I quote please explain at what point have I said you are responsible for another not having the vaccine.
I pointed out just because you as a person has had the vaccine were still willing to meet another who hadn't been vaccinated and taking the responsibility away from yoursel_ and blaming the other person when you are able to avoid further transmission this is no way twisted in any form but straightforward not having a duty to act responsibly for another knowing the risks involved if you look up Archibald it's a law book you'll find it very much interesting how an act can be unlawful or prohibited to acting responsibly for others
How am I allowed to insist that the other person or persons show me their vaccination certificate? Like going into a supermarket, the security can ask you to wear a mask but if you're exempt, they cannot demand to know why.
Not everyone is going to be vaccinated but you're claiming that I should do things I'm not allowed to do. Does Archibald also say about car drivers, pedestrians etc.
I have done absolutely everything I can possibly do under the current laws and regulations but you're saying it's not enough.
Personally, I think sti's are far more dangerous and bareback still goes on.
I'm going to rest my case because I am a responsible person and at times have been unreasonable but via this became a knowledgeable person who acts with a duty of care for others and I have a conscience,I wouldn't like to place another person in danger via my own actions acting irresponsibly so on that note may the force be with you so you may understand the importance and not the selfish act of need and want because I can
So how am I selfish?
I give up if you don't understand the importance how your actions have an impact on another and who would remain responsible because you are aware solicitors give free advice I'm sure would assist or even CAB "You tell me. I've had both my vaccinations, have you? I take a test 4 times a week. I have been tested and have the covid antibodies. I have done absolutely everything I can possibly do unless you think I should have more injections. Everyone that comes into the place is tested. That's not actually my decision but authorised by the company. You tell me what more I can possibly do. I am not allowed to demand others have had their vaccinations by law. Come on, as you're obviously extremely knowledgeable, what else can I do. I haven't even seen my own family in well over 12 months. | |||
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"Bottom line is would people still meet others sexually knowing haven't been vaccinated or would you stick to only social with those and if the person was unable to provide proof would you still continue. Each business must take reasonable steps to ensure to the safety of the public And users who intend to use. Anything which might be booked I'm sure a person would have to provide proof that they have been vaccinated or willing to provide a sample prior to booking flights have already started doing checks before departure hope fab finds a solution I really hope they don’t, we couldn’t care less if you’ve been vaccinated or not...... we have That's the exact point. If you've done all you can to protect yourself (and others) why would you worry if the other person hasn't had it? Is their scientific data to say just because a person who has had the vaccine is unable to be a carrier just because that person may not feel unwell from the virus, I assumed the vaccine reduced the impact of the virus I'm sure someone will enlighten true facts behind this and if any dangers were permitted from person to person vaccinated to non vaccinated Yes you can still contract it and pass it on but you've done all you can to protect yourself. Their health is their responsibility So I'm hearing this correct it would be correct as you've put it happily spread the virus to a non vaccinated person just because one has took precautions of their own safety wouldn't the person who has had the vaccine be responsible for a non vaccinated person knowing what could occur and the dangers the risk factors or are we going back to the terms of the pill and and condom and someone falling pregnant
I think you deliberately trying to muddy the waters with that derisory comment. You're saying it's my responsibility if they decide not to have the vaccine? That's some strange way of twisting what is reality. If they don't want to have the vaccine, that's their choice. Aren't they responsible for their own health and well-being? They can contract the virus from anyone. Why would you want to blame me? I've done all that I can.
I quote please explain at what point have I said you are responsible for another not having the vaccine.
I pointed out just because you as a person has had the vaccine were still willing to meet another who hadn't been vaccinated and taking the responsibility away from yoursel_ and blaming the other person when you are able to avoid further transmission this is no way twisted in any form but straightforward not having a duty to act responsibly for another knowing the risks involved if you look up Archibald it's a law book you'll find it very much interesting how an act can be unlawful or prohibited to acting responsibly for others
How am I allowed to insist that the other person or persons show me their vaccination certificate? Like going into a supermarket, the security can ask you to wear a mask but if you're exempt, they cannot demand to know why.
Not everyone is going to be vaccinated but you're claiming that I should do things I'm not allowed to do. Does Archibald also say about car drivers, pedestrians etc.
I have done absolutely everything I can possibly do under the current laws and regulations but you're saying it's not enough.
Personally, I think sti's are far more dangerous and bareback still goes on.
I'm going to rest my case because I am a responsible person and at times have been unreasonable but via this became a knowledgeable person who acts with a duty of care for others and I have a conscience,I wouldn't like to place another person in danger via my own actions acting irresponsibly so on that note may the force be with you so you may understand the importance and not the selfish act of need and want because I can "Jesus, Mary and Joseph and the wee donkey, are you still banging on. | |||
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" Personally, I think sti's are far more dangerous and bareback still goes on. Tell that to the families of over 150000 people who have died I'm not arguing but it's 150,000 died WITH Covid within the previous 28 days. Nobody died of respiratory illnesses or flu since October 2020 and in saying that, 2020 mortality rate was certainly not the highest in the last 60 years, so how come we weren't in lock down in the other years. I've lost people I know who died with Covid and one guy had Covid, fully recovered then had a heart attack abd died but he's on the covid list. I'm not making small of it but there are limited things I can do. I've had tests 4 times EVERY week and will continue. I test everyone who comes into the area I have to be in as a degree of caution. Please, tell me what else I can possibly do. You tell me, don't quote figures. " I don't have to tell you anything but if I wanted to quote numbers I would. I am not getting into the debate you are all having... I was just answering the comment that I thought was insensitive and crass. | |||
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" Personally, I think sti's are far more dangerous and bareback still goes on. Tell that to the families of over 150000 people who have died I'm not arguing but it's 150,000 died WITH Covid within the previous 28 days. Nobody died of respiratory illnesses or flu since October 2020 and in saying that, 2020 mortality rate was certainly not the highest in the last 60 years, so how come we weren't in lock down in the other years. I've lost people I know who died with Covid and one guy had Covid, fully recovered then had a heart attack abd died but he's on the covid list. I'm not making small of it but there are limited things I can do. I've had tests 4 times EVERY week and will continue. I test everyone who comes into the area I have to be in as a degree of caution. Please, tell me what else I can possibly do. You tell me, don't quote figures. I don't have to tell you anything but if I wanted to quote numbers I would. I am not getting into the debate you are all having... I was just answering the comment that I thought was insensitive and crass." I was trying to be realistic. Yes over 120,000 died WITH Covid in 2020 but that was nowhere near the worst mortality rate in the previous 60 years. Please quote figures of the worst years please. | |||
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"Bottom line is would people still meet others sexually knowing haven't been vaccinated or would you stick to only social with those and if the person was unable to provide proof would you still continue. Each business must take reasonable steps to ensure to the safety of the public And users who intend to use. Anything which might be booked I'm sure a person would have to provide proof that they have been vaccinated or willing to provide a sample prior to booking flights have already started doing checks before departure hope fab finds a solution I really hope they don’t, we couldn’t care less if you’ve been vaccinated or not...... we have That's the exact point. If you've done all you can to protect yourself (and others) why would you worry if the other person hasn't had it? Is their scientific data to say just because a person who has had the vaccine is unable to be a carrier just because that person may not feel unwell from the virus, I assumed the vaccine reduced the impact of the virus I'm sure someone will enlighten true facts behind this and if any dangers were permitted from person to person vaccinated to non vaccinated Yes you can still contract it and pass it on but you've done all you can to protect yourself. Their health is their responsibility So I'm hearing this correct it would be correct as you've put it happily spread the virus to a non vaccinated person just because one has took precautions of their own safety wouldn't the person who has had the vaccine be responsible for a non vaccinated person knowing what could occur and the dangers the risk factors or are we going back to the terms of the pill and and condom and someone falling pregnant
I think you deliberately trying to muddy the waters with that derisory comment. You're saying it's my responsibility if they decide not to have the vaccine? That's some strange way of twisting what is reality. If they don't want to have the vaccine, that's their choice. Aren't they responsible for their own health and well-being? They can contract the virus from anyone. Why would you want to blame me? I've done all that I can.
I quote please explain at what point have I said you are responsible for another not having the vaccine.
I pointed out just because you as a person has had the vaccine were still willing to meet another who hadn't been vaccinated and taking the responsibility away from yoursel_ and blaming the other person when you are able to avoid further transmission this is no way twisted in any form but straightforward not having a duty to act responsibly for another knowing the risks involved if you look up Archibald it's a law book you'll find it very much interesting how an act can be unlawful or prohibited to acting responsibly for others
How am I allowed to insist that the other person or persons show me their vaccination certificate? Like going into a supermarket, the security can ask you to wear a mask but if you're exempt, they cannot demand to know why.
Not everyone is going to be vaccinated but you're claiming that I should do things I'm not allowed to do. Does Archibald also say about car drivers, pedestrians etc.
I have done absolutely everything I can possibly do under the current laws and regulations but you're saying it's not enough.
Personally, I think sti's are far more dangerous and bareback still goes on.
I'm going to rest my case because I am a responsible person and at times have been unreasonable but via this became a knowledgeable person who acts with a duty of care for others and I have a conscience,I wouldn't like to place another person in danger via my own actions acting irresponsibly so on that note may the force be with you so you may understand the importance and not the selfish act of need and want because I can
Jesus, Mary and Joseph and the wee donkey, are you still banging on."Love it | |||
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"Bottom line is would people still meet others sexually knowing haven't been vaccinated or would you stick to only social with those and if the person was unable to provide proof would you still continue. Each business must take reasonable steps to ensure to the safety of the public And users who intend to use. Anything which might be booked I'm sure a person would have to provide proof that they have been vaccinated or willing to provide a sample prior to booking flights have already started doing checks before departure hope fab finds a solution I really hope they don’t, we couldn’t care less if you’ve been vaccinated or not...... we have That's the exact point. If you've done all you can to protect yourself (and others) why would you worry if the other person hasn't had it? Is their scientific data to say just because a person who has had the vaccine is unable to be a carrier just because that person may not feel unwell from the virus, I assumed the vaccine reduced the impact of the virus I'm sure someone will enlighten true facts behind this and if any dangers were permitted from person to person vaccinated to non vaccinated Yes you can still contract it and pass it on but you've done all you can to protect yourself. Their health is their responsibility So I'm hearing this correct it would be correct as you've put it happily spread the virus to a non vaccinated person just because one has took precautions of their own safety wouldn't the person who has had the vaccine be responsible for a non vaccinated person knowing what could occur and the dangers the risk factors or are we going back to the terms of the pill and and condom and someone falling pregnant
I think you deliberately trying to muddy the waters with that derisory comment. You're saying it's my responsibility if they decide not to have the vaccine? That's some strange way of twisting what is reality. If they don't want to have the vaccine, that's their choice. Aren't they responsible for their own health and well-being? They can contract the virus from anyone. Why would you want to blame me? I've done all that I can.
I quote please explain at what point have I said you are responsible for another not having the vaccine.
I pointed out just because you as a person has had the vaccine were still willing to meet another who hadn't been vaccinated and taking the responsibility away from yoursel_ and blaming the other person when you are able to avoid further transmission this is no way twisted in any form but straightforward not having a duty to act responsibly for another knowing the risks involved if you look up Archibald it's a law book you'll find it very much interesting how an act can be unlawful or prohibited to acting responsibly for others
How am I allowed to insist that the other person or persons show me their vaccination certificate? Like going into a supermarket, the security can ask you to wear a mask but if you're exempt, they cannot demand to know why.
Not everyone is going to be vaccinated but you're claiming that I should do things I'm not allowed to do. Does Archibald also say about car drivers, pedestrians etc.
I have done absolutely everything I can possibly do under the current laws and regulations but you're saying it's not enough.
Personally, I think sti's are far more dangerous and bareback still goes on.
I'm going to rest my case because I am a responsible person and at times have been unreasonable but via this became a knowledgeable person who acts with a duty of care for others and I have a conscience,I wouldn't like to place another person in danger via my own actions acting irresponsibly so on that note may the force be with you so you may understand the importance and not the selfish act of need and want because I can
So how am I selfish?
I give up if you don't understand the importance how your actions have an impact on another and who would remain responsible because you are aware solicitors give free advice I'm sure would assist or even CAB
You tell me. I've had both my vaccinations, have you? I take a test 4 times a week. I have been tested and have the covid antibodies. I have done absolutely everything I can possibly do unless you think I should have more injections. Everyone that comes into the place is tested. That's not actually my decision but authorised by the company.
You tell me what more I can possibly do.
I am not allowed to demand others have had their vaccinations by law.
Come on, as you're obviously extremely knowledgeable, what else can I do. I haven't even seen my own family in well over 12 months. "I'm sure you have been doing all that you are able to but as you put you were willing to meet a non vaccinated person which can given the risks involved place them in danger or even death via your irresponsible actions knowing that they aren't vaccinated so where would the duty of care that each individual person has to act for others a person who is aware becomes responsible I'm sure you'll do what is right before it's committing an act of a criminal offence due to ones actions each person is responsible for their own actions but also how it may have an impact on another x | |||
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" Personally, I think sti's are far more dangerous and bareback still goes on. Tell that to the families of over 150000 people who have died I'm not arguing but it's 150,000 died WITH Covid within the previous 28 days. Nobody died of respiratory illnesses or flu since October 2020 and in saying that, 2020 mortality rate was certainly not the highest in the last 60 years, so how come we weren't in lock down in the other years. I've lost people I know who died with Covid and one guy had Covid, fully recovered then had a heart attack abd died but he's on the covid list. I'm not making small of it but there are limited things I can do. I've had tests 4 times EVERY week and will continue. I test everyone who comes into the area I have to be in as a degree of caution. Please, tell me what else I can possibly do. You tell me, don't quote figures. I don't have to tell you anything but if I wanted to quote numbers I would. I am not getting into the debate you are all having... I was just answering the comment that I thought was insensitive and crass. I was trying to be realistic. Yes over 120,000 died WITH Covid in 2020 but that was nowhere near the worst mortality rate in the previous 60 years. Please quote figures of the worst years please. " No, on account I am not joining the debate as explained on the post you have quoted. I will post it again i case you ignored it "I don't have to tell you anything but if I wanted to quote numbers I would. I am not getting into the debate you are all having... I was just answering the comment that I thought was insensitive and crass." It means, I am not joining in the debate people are having, so won't be giving my views or pointing you to valuable data | |||
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"Bottom line is would people still meet others sexually knowing haven't been vaccinated or would you stick to only social with those and if the person was unable to provide proof would you still continue. Each business must take reasonable steps to ensure to the safety of the public And users who intend to use. Anything which might be booked I'm sure a person would have to provide proof that they have been vaccinated or willing to provide a sample prior to booking flights have already started doing checks before departure hope fab finds a solution I really hope they don’t, we couldn’t care less if you’ve been vaccinated or not...... we have That's the exact point. If you've done all you can to protect yourself (and others) why would you worry if the other person hasn't had it? Is their scientific data to say just because a person who has had the vaccine is unable to be a carrier just because that person may not feel unwell from the virus, I assumed the vaccine reduced the impact of the virus I'm sure someone will enlighten true facts behind this and if any dangers were permitted from person to person vaccinated to non vaccinated Yes you can still contract it and pass it on but you've done all you can to protect yourself. Their health is their responsibility So I'm hearing this correct it would be correct as you've put it happily spread the virus to a non vaccinated person just because one has took precautions of their own safety wouldn't the person who has had the vaccine be responsible for a non vaccinated person knowing what could occur and the dangers the risk factors or are we going back to the terms of the pill and and condom and someone falling pregnant
I think you deliberately trying to muddy the waters with that derisory comment. You're saying it's my responsibility if they decide not to have the vaccine? That's some strange way of twisting what is reality. If they don't want to have the vaccine, that's their choice. Aren't they responsible for their own health and well-being? They can contract the virus from anyone. Why would you want to blame me? I've done all that I can.
I quote please explain at what point have I said you are responsible for another not having the vaccine.
I pointed out just because you as a person has had the vaccine were still willing to meet another who hadn't been vaccinated and taking the responsibility away from yoursel_ and blaming the other person when you are able to avoid further transmission this is no way twisted in any form but straightforward not having a duty to act responsibly for another knowing the risks involved if you look up Archibald it's a law book you'll find it very much interesting how an act can be unlawful or prohibited to acting responsibly for others
How am I allowed to insist that the other person or persons show me their vaccination certificate? Like going into a supermarket, the security can ask you to wear a mask but if you're exempt, they cannot demand to know why.
Not everyone is going to be vaccinated but you're claiming that I should do things I'm not allowed to do. Does Archibald also say about car drivers, pedestrians etc.
I have done absolutely everything I can possibly do under the current laws and regulations but you're saying it's not enough.
Personally, I think sti's are far more dangerous and bareback still goes on.
I'm going to rest my case because I am a responsible person and at times have been unreasonable but via this became a knowledgeable person who acts with a duty of care for others and I have a conscience,I wouldn't like to place another person in danger via my own actions acting irresponsibly so on that note may the force be with you so you may understand the importance and not the selfish act of need and want because I can "You are banging your head against a brick wall unfortunately. Good to see some have morals like you here. We have seen so many who just don't care about others health and well being and were prepared to let others die due to their actions over these last 15 months. Thank goodness the vaccine roll out seems to be working for all of our sakes. We don't often come into the virus section as it has been so toxic. We just wish fab would close it now. After all the crazy people think every thing is back to normal 17th May  | |||
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"When do we think Fab will relax some of the rules - like meets being arranged etc ? From 17th May when you can meet indoors (doubt as still need to be socially distant but social meets are theoretically viable) or 21st June when no restrictions as being considered ? Thoughts everyone (either on Fab’s rule relaxation forecast or your personal rules relaxation timetable) AND NO SLAGGING ANYONE OFF - IF PEOPLE SHARE THEIR VIEWS TO ASSIST DEBATE, NOT ATTACK OR JUDGING " Very optimistic way things are at present and all looking extremely good for original set date June as numbers have dropped in deaths and under 3k cases of infected hopefully this drops to and we're able to be virus free taking in consideration how well the vaccine rollout is doing too | |||
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"Bottom line is would people still meet others sexually knowing haven't been vaccinated or would you stick to only social with those and if the person was unable to provide proof would you still continue. Each business must take reasonable steps to ensure to the safety of the public And users who intend to use. Anything which might be booked I'm sure a person would have to provide proof that they have been vaccinated or willing to provide a sample prior to booking flights have already started doing checks before departure hope fab finds a solution I really hope they don’t, we couldn’t care less if you’ve been vaccinated or not...... we have That's the exact point. If you've done all you can to protect yourself (and others) why would you worry if the other person hasn't had it? Is their scientific data to say just because a person who has had the vaccine is unable to be a carrier just because that person may not feel unwell from the virus, I assumed the vaccine reduced the impact of the virus I'm sure someone will enlighten true facts behind this and if any dangers were permitted from person to person vaccinated to non vaccinated Yes you can still contract it and pass it on but you've done all you can to protect yourself. Their health is their responsibility So I'm hearing this correct it would be correct as you've put it happily spread the virus to a non vaccinated person just because one has took precautions of their own safety wouldn't the person who has had the vaccine be responsible for a non vaccinated person knowing what could occur and the dangers the risk factors or are we going back to the terms of the pill and and condom and someone falling pregnant
I think you deliberately trying to muddy the waters with that derisory comment. You're saying it's my responsibility if they decide not to have the vaccine? That's some strange way of twisting what is reality. If they don't want to have the vaccine, that's their choice. Aren't they responsible for their own health and well-being? They can contract the virus from anyone. Why would you want to blame me? I've done all that I can.
I quote please explain at what point have I said you are responsible for another not having the vaccine.
I pointed out just because you as a person has had the vaccine were still willing to meet another who hadn't been vaccinated and taking the responsibility away from yoursel_ and blaming the other person when you are able to avoid further transmission this is no way twisted in any form but straightforward not having a duty to act responsibly for another knowing the risks involved if you look up Archibald it's a law book you'll find it very much interesting how an act can be unlawful or prohibited to acting responsibly for others
How am I allowed to insist that the other person or persons show me their vaccination certificate? Like going into a supermarket, the security can ask you to wear a mask but if you're exempt, they cannot demand to know why.
Not everyone is going to be vaccinated but you're claiming that I should do things I'm not allowed to do. Does Archibald also say about car drivers, pedestrians etc.
I have done absolutely everything I can possibly do under the current laws and regulations but you're saying it's not enough.
Personally, I think sti's are far more dangerous and bareback still goes on.
I'm going to rest my case because I am a responsible person and at times have been unreasonable but via this became a knowledgeable person who acts with a duty of care for others and I have a conscience,I wouldn't like to place another person in danger via my own actions acting irresponsibly so on that note may the force be with you so you may understand the importance and not the selfish act of need and want because I can
So how am I selfish?
I give up if you don't understand the importance how your actions have an impact on another and who would remain responsible because you are aware solicitors give free advice I'm sure would assist or even CAB
You tell me. I've had both my vaccinations, have you? I take a test 4 times a week. I have been tested and have the covid antibodies. I have done absolutely everything I can possibly do unless you think I should have more injections. Everyone that comes into the place is tested. That's not actually my decision but authorised by the company.
You tell me what more I can possibly do.
I am not allowed to demand others have had their vaccinations by law.
Come on, as you're obviously extremely knowledgeable, what else can I do. I haven't even seen my own family in well over 12 months.
I'm sure you have been doing all that you are able to but as you put you were willing to meet a non vaccinated person which can given the risks involved place them in danger or even death via your irresponsible actions knowing that they aren't vaccinated so where would the duty of care that each individual person has to act for others a person who is aware becomes responsible I'm sure you'll do what is right before it's committing an act of a criminal offence due to ones actions each person is responsible for their own actions but also how it may have an impact on another x"Wow! Now the DPP eh? Exactly where does it say that I would be committing a criminal offence by meeting someone who MAY claim to have had the vaccine but hasn't had it? What statute would that come under? I have done absolutely EVERYTHING that is required and probably a lot more than you. Each person has a duty to themselves before others and that's a fact. You're just trying to bully me by stating made up opinions. If I asked you to prove you're vaccinated, would you do it? Actually, I'm committing an offence actually asking for proof. It is up to each individual to first and foremost to ensure they're own safety. Can you agree on that or are you going to pick holes in that? Just type in a reasonable manner without trying to bully or be nasty | |||
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" Personally, I think sti's are far more dangerous and bareback still goes on. Tell that to the families of over 150000 people who have died I'm not arguing but it's 150,000 died WITH Covid within the previous 28 days. Nobody died of respiratory illnesses or flu since October 2020 and in saying that, 2020 mortality rate was certainly not the highest in the last 60 years, so how come we weren't in lock down in the other years. I've lost people I know who died with Covid and one guy had Covid, fully recovered then had a heart attack abd died but he's on the covid list. I'm not making small of it but there are limited things I can do. I've had tests 4 times EVERY week and will continue. I test everyone who comes into the area I have to be in as a degree of caution. Please, tell me what else I can possibly do. You tell me, don't quote figures. I don't have to tell you anything but if I wanted to quote numbers I would. I am not getting into the debate you are all having... I was just answering the comment that I thought was insensitive and crass. I was trying to be realistic. Yes over 120,000 died WITH Covid in 2020 but that was nowhere near the worst mortality rate in the previous 60 years. Please quote figures of the worst years please. No, on account I am not joining the debate as explained on the post you have quoted. I will post it again i case you ignored it "I don't have to tell you anything but if I wanted to quote numbers I would. I am not getting into the debate you are all having... I was just answering the comment that I thought was insensitive and crass." It means, I am not joining in the debate people are having, so won't be giving my views or pointing you to valuable data " Sorry, I mistook what you said. I thought by stating that you were joining in the debate. My bad | |||
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I think you deliberately trying to muddy the waters with that derisory comment. You're saying it's my responsibility if they decide not to have the vaccine? That's some strange way of twisting what is reality. If they don't want to have the vaccine, that's their choice. Aren't they responsible for their own health and well-being? They can contract the virus from anyone. Why would you want to blame me? I've done all that I can.
I quote please explain at what point have I said you are responsible for another not having the vaccine.
I pointed out just because you as a person has had the vaccine were still willing to meet another who hadn't been vaccinated and taking the responsibility away from yoursel_ and blaming the other person when you are able to avoid further transmission this is no way twisted in any form but straightforward not having a duty to act responsibly for another knowing the risks involved if you look up Archibald it's a law book you'll find it very much interesting how an act can be unlawful or prohibited to acting responsibly for others
How am I allowed to insist that the other person or persons show me their vaccination certificate? Like going into a supermarket, the security can ask you to wear a mask but if you're exempt, they cannot demand to know why.
Not everyone is going to be vaccinated but you're claiming that I should do things I'm not allowed to do. Does Archibald also say about car drivers, pedestrians etc.
I have done absolutely everything I can possibly do under the current laws and regulations but you're saying it's not enough.
Personally, I think sti's are far more dangerous and bareback still goes on.
I'm going to rest my case because I am a responsible person and at times have been unreasonable but via this became a knowledgeable person who acts with a duty of care for others and I have a conscience,I wouldn't like to place another person in danger via my own actions acting irresponsibly so on that note may the force be with you so you may understand the importance and not the selfish act of need and want because I can
So how am I selfish?
I give up if you don't understand the importance how your actions have an impact on another and who would remain responsible because you are aware solicitors give free advice I'm sure would assist or even CAB
You tell me. I've had both my vaccinations, have you? I take a test 4 times a week. I have been tested and have the covid antibodies. I have done absolutely everything I can possibly do unless you think I should have more injections. Everyone that comes into the place is tested. That's not actually my decision but authorised by the company.
You tell me what more I can possibly do.
I am not allowed to demand others have had their vaccinations by law.
Come on, as you're obviously extremely knowledgeable, what else can I do. I haven't even seen my own family in well over 12 months.
I'm sure you have been doing all that you are able to but as you put you were willing to meet a non vaccinated person which can given the risks involved place them in danger or even death via your irresponsible actions knowing that they aren't vaccinated so where would the duty of care that each individual person has to act for others a person who is aware becomes responsible I'm sure you'll do what is right before it's committing an act of a criminal offence due to ones actions each person is responsible for their own actions but also how it may have an impact on another x
Wow! Now the DPP eh?
Exactly where does it say that I would be committing a criminal offence by meeting someone who MAY claim to have had the vaccine but hasn't had it? What statute would that come under?
I have done absolutely EVERYTHING that is required and probably a lot more than you. Each person has a duty to themselves before others and that's a fact. You're just trying to bully me by stating made up opinions.
If I asked you to prove you're vaccinated, would you do it? Actually, I'm committing an offence actually asking for proof.
It is up to each individual to first and foremost to ensure they're own safety. Can you agree on that or are you going to pick holes in that? Just type in a reasonable manner without trying to bully or be nasty "Bottom line is duty of care for yourself and another to care to ask now if a person decides not to would you continue, if I lent you my car and told you it's fine it has a full MOT without seeing any proof Later on you get stopped by police and they inform you the car has no MOT now who is responsible here me or you You were because it was your responsibility to ask and because you didn't it's becomes you that committed the offence not me this is an example... | |||
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" Bottom line is duty of care for yourself and another to care to ask now if a person decides not to would you continue, if I lent you my car and told you it's fine it has a full MOT without seeing any proof Later on you get stopped by police and they inform you the car has no MOT now who is responsible here me or you You were because it was your responsibility to ask and because you didn't it's becomes you that committed the offence not me this is an example... Actually it would be you at fault and liable for lending a vehicle in an unfit state. If you willingly lie and say its fine then you would also be guilty of endangering life. The issue here is trust between two consenting parties. If information has been asked and both parties consent then any repercussions would fall upon the party that lied in order to gain favour. If you know you haven't been vaccinated and lie to get a meet then the onus is on you. You have knowingly put yourself into a potentially dangerous situation for favourable outcome and gain. " Thank you. | |||
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" Bottom line is duty of care for yourself and another to care to ask now if a person decides not to would you continue, if I lent you my car and told you it's fine it has a full MOT without seeing any proof Later on you get stopped by police and they inform you the car has no MOT now who is responsible here me or you You were because it was your responsibility to ask and because you didn't it's becomes you that committed the offence not me this is an example... Actually it would be you at fault and liable for lending a vehicle in an unfit state. If you willingly lie and say its fine then you would also be guilty of endangering life. The issue here is trust between two consenting parties. If information has been asked and both parties consent then any repercussions would fall upon the party that lied in order to gain favour. If you know you haven't been vaccinated and lie to get a meet then the onus is on you. You have knowingly put yourself into a potentially dangerous situation for favourable outcome and gain. It becomes the said person to check and their responsibility End of discussion getting back to the original post" No lawyer or barrister would argue your opinion, particularly where evidence of misinformation is evident. Have you asked matt Hancock to provide evidence of the decisions made or are you acting in good faith ? | |||
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"People do realise that fab isn't the only way to arrange meets, right? In fact people can still arrange meets if they really want to. All they are doing is preventing people from advertising for meets because even when lockdowns were lifted there were still restrictions in place in terms of sexual contact and like bollocks does everyone bemoaning the site owners decision purely want to arrange non contact socials. " Yet they allow blatant pics and status updates which allude to the very thing they're trying to block. Interesting way of doing things. | |||
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"People do realise that fab isn't the only way to arrange meets, right? In fact people can still arrange meets if they really want to. All they are doing is preventing people from advertising for meets because even when lockdowns were lifted there were still restrictions in place in terms of sexual contact and like bollocks does everyone bemoaning the site owners decision purely want to arrange non contact socials. Yet they allow blatant pics and status updates which allude to the very thing they're trying to block. Interesting way of doing things. " Think you'll find they remove statuses that promote meets as soon as they are made aware of them. They don't read every members status updates.... Its physically not possible. I know some people who have had their statuses removed several times. Also, unless the pics are time and date stamped how will they prove they are from a recent meet? | |||
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"I do think fabs position is not driven by the governments guidance but rather by the personal choices of site owners (which is rather unprofessional but not illegal). I say this because when house holds were permitted to mix last year indoors, fab never lifted their restrictions. Now if they do want to argue that social distancing was their reason then that’s absolutely bonkers because no venue or site can monitor or enforce that when people are within their permitted bubble. Surely you can’t tell people from two households that they are sat too close to each other on the same table when the government permits them seating together " This is the problem with people not reading the notice to the bottom. It is explained on this thread on the last post. https://www.fabswingers.com/forum/feedback/1026660 If people had read it they would know that when the Gov opened up out of lockdown, as long as you were sticking to those rules then you are not breaking any rules on this site. | |||
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