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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

Does having the vaccination stop you catching the virus -? If so how ? Some one please explain ?

Thanks

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By *bi_AstrayTV/TS
over a year ago

Plymouth


"Does having the vaccination stop you catching the virus -? If so how ? Some one please explain ?

Thanks

"

You know if they do that they're wrong though don't you

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By *hatawasteMan
over a year ago

stafford


"Does having the vaccination stop you catching the virus -? If so how ? Some one please explain ?

Thanks

"

No..it's not a magic bullet.. That's well documented the aim of the virus is not to stop you from getting it.. It's other more vulnerable people really

They stop the impact of it being worse than it would have been when we all catch it in the future ( which we will because it will be same as the flu and the way new strains of that work ) and it protects other people because you could be a carrier and not know it so would spread it to others..at last that's some of the theory

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

https://www.bmj.com/content/373/bmj.n1068

Papers seem to indicate promising data but still early days

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

The vaccines trigger your immune system to produce its own natural immune responses to the virus. They are based on several technologies, including mRNA and modified viruses, including that which would have infected a different animal.

It's worth researching how our immune system works, as it's composed of a complex interconnected range of systems, it's not just a system that has 1 process that neutralises incoming threats.

Once we get the vaccine inside of us, our body's natural 'security guard' type system will recognise it as a threat and cause alarms to be raised against this flagged invader. The body will produce a range of responses, including the abilities to remember the invader for future potential attacks. Obviously we only had a safe vaccine, we didn't get the real virus injected into us. The important vaccine material are protein forms that are identical to the those on the real virus surface.

The memory of these 'invader' protein forms remain in the body, long after the immune system has processed and removed them. It's these initial records of the invader that are primed and ready to respond in the future, should something with those characteristics ever reach the body in future.

If the real virus does get into us, it will discovered and will be recognised by the tell-tale protein forms on it. The body then reproduces the correct response to it based on its memory, to destroy it much more immediately than if it was unknown.

Each virus particle wants to get inside 1 of our cells, which it hijacks to make it reproduce copies of itself. Once done, those copies would then be jettisoned, once that cell breaks down. The body's immune system may recognise and neutralise all virus particles before they enter our cells to reproduce or following entry to a cell.

The sooner that the virus enters our body, following the period after vaccination needed for us to have created a full immunity to it, the quicker our body should be able to fully destroy it, before it's had chance for significant reproduction. This may all happen before anyone had developed any symptoms of an infection, which typically have a lag of a couple of days, following the virus getting into us and reproducing.

Viruses and bacteria get to us all the time and most will be neutralised, without us ever knowing about them, on the first or subsequent invasions.

Read about B and T cells and immunity, for a greater level of detail into some of our fascinating, incredible immune system.

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By *hatawasteMan
over a year ago

stafford


"The vaccines trigger your immune system to produce its own natural immune responses to the virus. They are based on several technologies, including mRNA and modified viruses, including that which would have infected a different animal.

It's worth researching how our immune system works, as it's composed of a complex interconnected range of systems, it's not just a system that has 1 process that neutralises incoming threats.

Once we get the vaccine inside of us, our body's natural 'security guard' type system will recognise it as a threat and cause alarms to be raised against this flagged invader. The body will produce a range of responses, including the abilities to remember the invader for future potential attacks. Obviously we only had a safe vaccine, we didn't get the real virus injected into us. The important vaccine material are protein forms that are identical to the those on the real virus surface.

The memory of these 'invader' protein forms remain in the body, long after the immune system has processed and removed them. It's these initial records of the invader that are primed and ready to respond in the future, should something with those characteristics ever reach the body in future.

If the real virus does get into us, it will discovered and will be recognised by the tell-tale protein forms on it. The body then reproduces the correct response to it based on its memory, to destroy it much more immediately than if it was unknown.

Each virus particle wants to get inside 1 of our cells, which it hijacks to make it reproduce copies of itself. Once done, those copies would then be jettisoned, once that cell breaks down. The body's immune system may recognise and neutralise all virus particles before they enter our cells to reproduce or following entry to a cell.

The sooner that the virus enters our body, following the period after vaccination needed for us to have created a full immunity to it, the quicker our body should be able to fully destroy it, before it's had chance for significant reproduction. This may all happen before anyone had developed any symptoms of an infection, which typically have a lag of a couple of days, following the virus getting into us and reproducing.

Viruses and bacteria get to us all the time and most will be neutralised, without us ever knowing about them, on the first or subsequent invasions.

Read about B and T cells and immunity, for a greater level of detail into some of our fascinating, incredible immune system. "

Nicely explained

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)


"The vaccines trigger your immune system to produce its own natural immune responses to the virus. They are based on several technologies, including mRNA and modified viruses, including that which would have infected a different animal.

It's worth researching how our immune system works, as it's composed of a complex interconnected range of systems, it's not just a system that has 1 process that neutralises incoming threats.

Once we get the vaccine inside of us, our body's natural 'security guard' type system will recognise it as a threat and cause alarms to be raised against this flagged invader. The body will produce a range of responses, including the abilities to remember the invader for future potential attacks. Obviously we only had a safe vaccine, we didn't get the real virus injected into us. The important vaccine material are protein forms that are identical to the those on the real virus surface.

The memory of these 'invader' protein forms remain in the body, long after the immune system has processed and removed them. It's these initial records of the invader that are primed and ready to respond in the future, should something with those characteristics ever reach the body in future.

If the real virus does get into us, it will discovered and will be recognised by the tell-tale protein forms on it. The body then reproduces the correct response to it based on its memory, to destroy it much more immediately than if it was unknown.

Each virus particle wants to get inside 1 of our cells, which it hijacks to make it reproduce copies of itself. Once done, those copies would then be jettisoned, once that cell breaks down. The body's immune system may recognise and neutralise all virus particles before they enter our cells to reproduce or following entry to a cell.

The sooner that the virus enters our body, following the period after vaccination needed for us to have created a full immunity to it, the quicker our body should be able to fully destroy it, before it's had chance for significant reproduction. This may all happen before anyone had developed any symptoms of an infection, which typically have a lag of a couple of days, following the virus getting into us and reproducing.

Viruses and bacteria get to us all the time and most will be neutralised, without us ever knowing about them, on the first or subsequent invasions.

Read about B and T cells and immunity, for a greater level of detail into some of our fascinating, incredible immune system. "

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central


"Does having the vaccination stop you catching the virus -? If so how ? Some one please explain ?

Thanks

"

It depends on what you mean by "catching the virus'. It can get into our body and may invade cells. But the speed of our immune response will be much quicker, as it's recognised, than if we'd not had the virus infect us or the vaccine, beforehand.

The vaccines seem to show some evidence of reducing how infectious we may become to others, if it does infect us. This may be some or all of the vaccines.

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)


"Does having the vaccination stop you catching the virus -? If so how ? Some one please explain ?

Thanks

It depends on what you mean by "catching the virus'. It can get into our body and may invade cells. But the speed of our immune response will be much quicker, as it's recognised, than if we'd not had the virus infect us or the vaccine, beforehand.

The vaccines seem to show some evidence of reducing how infectious we may become to others, if it does infect us. This may be some or all of the vaccines. "

It's very clear that the polio vaccine we all got does not stop infection - but the effect of it is still strong enough that we're approaching global eradication.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

Finally some who also understand this , most people think once the vaccinated, they will not get the virus,

So if this is the case why when people who have proven to have with no symptoms had it still need the vaccine - their immune system is working well and is doing the job the vaccine would be doing.

CRISPR. - this is how virus and evolution come together - how DNA learns from a virus and you pass the protection on within your dna,

We are too clean nowerdays we need virus in our bodies to make us strong otherwise we are going to be vaccinated for everything .....


"The vaccines trigger your immune system to produce its own natural immune responses to the virus. They are based on several technologies, including mRNA and modified viruses, including that which would have infected a different animal.

It's worth researching how our immune system works, as it's composed of a complex interconnected range of systems, it's not just a system that has 1 process that neutralises incoming threats.

Once we get the vaccine inside of us, our body's natural 'security guard' type system will recognise it as a threat and cause alarms to be raised against this flagged invader. The body will produce a range of responses, including the abilities to remember the invader for future potential attacks. Obviously we only had a safe vaccine, we didn't get the real virus injected into us. The important vaccine material are protein forms that are identical to the those on the real virus surface.

The memory of these 'invader' protein forms remain in the body, long after the immune system has processed and removed them. It's these initial records of the invader that are primed and ready to respond in the future, should something with those characteristics ever reach the body in future.

If the real virus does get into us, it will discovered and will be recognised by the tell-tale protein forms on it. The body then reproduces the correct response to it based on its memory, to destroy it much more immediately than if it was unknown.

Each virus particle wants to get inside 1 of our cells, which it hijacks to make it reproduce copies of itself. Once done, those copies would then be jettisoned, once that cell breaks down. The body's immune system may recognise and neutralise all virus particles before they enter our cells to reproduce or following entry to a cell.

The sooner that the virus enters our body, following the period after vaccination needed for us to have created a full immunity to it, the quicker our body should be able to fully destroy it, before it's had chance for significant reproduction. This may all happen before anyone had developed any symptoms of an infection, which typically have a lag of a couple of days, following the virus getting into us and reproducing.

Viruses and bacteria get to us all the time and most will be neutralised, without us ever knowing about them, on the first or subsequent invasions.

Read about B and T cells and immunity, for a greater level of detail into some of our fascinating, incredible immune system. "

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By *queegeeMan
over a year ago

northampton


"The vaccines trigger your immune system to produce its own natural immune responses to the virus. They are based on several technologies, including mRNA and modified viruses, including that which would have infected a different animal.

It's worth researching how our immune system works, as it's composed of a complex interconnected range of systems, it's not just a system that has 1 process that neutralises incoming threats.

Once we get the vaccine inside of us, our body's natural 'security guard' type system will recognise it as a threat and cause alarms to be raised against this flagged invader. The body will produce a range of responses, including the abilities to remember the invader for future potential attacks. Obviously we only had a safe vaccine, we didn't get the real virus injected into us. The important vaccine material are protein forms that are identical to the those on the real virus surface.

The memory of these 'invader' protein forms remain in the body, long after the immune system has processed and removed them. It's these initial records of the invader that are primed and ready to respond in the future, should something with those characteristics ever reach the body in future.

If the real virus does get into us, it will discovered and will be recognised by the tell-tale protein forms on it. The body then reproduces the correct response to it based on its memory, to destroy it much more immediately than if it was unknown.

Each virus particle wants to get inside 1 of our cells, which it hijacks to make it reproduce copies of itself. Once done, those copies would then be jettisoned, once that cell breaks down. The body's immune system may recognise and neutralise all virus particles before they enter our cells to reproduce or following entry to a cell.

The sooner that the virus enters our body, following the period after vaccination needed for us to have created a full immunity to it, the quicker our body should be able to fully destroy it, before it's had chance for significant reproduction. This may all happen before anyone had developed any symptoms of an infection, which typically have a lag of a couple of days, following the virus getting into us and reproducing.

Viruses and bacteria get to us all the time and most will be neutralised, without us ever knowing about them, on the first or subsequent invasions.

Read about B and T cells and immunity, for a greater level of detail into some of our fascinating, incredible immune system. "

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By *hatawasteMan
over a year ago

stafford

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Finally some who also understand this , most people think once the vaccinated, they will not get the virus,

So if this is the case why when people who have proven to have with no symptoms had it still need the vaccine - their immune system is working well and is doing the job the vaccine would be doing.

CRISPR. - this is how virus and evolution come together - how DNA learns from a virus and you pass the protection on within your dna,

We are too clean nowerdays we need virus in our bodies to make us strong otherwise we are going to be vaccinated for everything .....

"

That last paragraph is precisely why long-term face coverings should be avoided.

They are a useful short-term tool when in crisis but should not be normalised.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

If you read the history of the polio vaccine it might not be a good example ?? and it was another 40 years until they got it right eventually... 40 years, admittedly technology and knowledge has improved, but still... we all still need a choice to decide if we need and or want a vaccination.

Early polio vaccine projects (1935)

“”Unfortunately, initial trials were poorly executed and caused great harm to those involved. Teams of researchers in New York and Philadelphia both administered vaccines containing active poliovirus to tens of thousands of living subjects, including children and chimpanzees. Many subjects became severely ill or paralyzed, experienced allergic reactions, and even died of polio. “”


"Does having the vaccination stop you catching the virus -? If so how ? Some one please explain ?

Thanks

It depends on what you mean by "catching the virus'. It can get into our body and may invade cells. But the speed of our immune response will be much quicker, as it's recognised, than if we'd not had the virus infect us or the vaccine, beforehand.

The vaccines seem to show some evidence of reducing how infectious we may become to others, if it does infect us. This may be some or all of the vaccines.

It's very clear that the polio vaccine we all got does not stop infection - but the effect of it is still strong enough that we're approaching global eradication."

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)


"If you read the history of the polio vaccine it might not be a good example ?? and it was another 40 years until they got it right eventually... 40 years, admittedly technology and knowledge has improved, but still... we all still need a choice to decide if we need and or want a vaccination.

Early polio vaccine projects (1935)

“”Unfortunately, initial trials were poorly executed and caused great harm to those involved. Teams of researchers in New York and Philadelphia both administered vaccines containing active poliovirus to tens of thousands of living subjects, including children and chimpanzees. Many subjects became severely ill or paralyzed, experienced allergic reactions, and even died of polio. “”

Does having the vaccination stop you catching the virus -? If so how ? Some one please explain ?

Thanks

It depends on what you mean by "catching the virus'. It can get into our body and may invade cells. But the speed of our immune response will be much quicker, as it's recognised, than if we'd not had the virus infect us or the vaccine, beforehand.

The vaccines seem to show some evidence of reducing how infectious we may become to others, if it does infect us. This may be some or all of the vaccines.

It's very clear that the polio vaccine we all got does not stop infection - but the effect of it is still strong enough that we're approaching global eradication."

A good example of what?

It's a vaccine which does not stop infection - I'm very well aware of the history, that's part of the point - which is still leading to eradication.

Don't let the perfect be the enemy of the good.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

An example of how a population can be used to test a program of vaccination with limited knowledge of outcome.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

To the OP

No. You may still be invaded by virus. BUT. The idea is this will trigger your primed immune system to kick the virus as so that.

1 It won't affect you...you won't get symptoms (or very mild/ no worries)

2. Your viral load will be so low that you will not pass it on.

Currently info on the vaccines in circulation give approx 70-80% on 1 dose and 90%+ on 2 doses for the above.... 2/3 weeks from second dose...recovered from covid early last year too....so will be triple vaccinated anyway...

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

And what do we know about the long term effect of the vaccine ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Long term effects if any wont be known for a very long time.

What about long term effects of vaping? Unknown. People still choose to do it. What about long term effects of high intensity interval training? Unknown. People still do it. ?

No vaccine in my time has done more damage than good, I believe. Heard somewhere more people injured annually by slippers than vaccines. Then you could argue slippers prevent falls and may save lives, then my argument back would be how many lives have vaccines saved.

Happy to take my chances. In my eyes benefits outweigh risks and risks of others.

Up to you what you do, plenty of evidence out there. Think most evidence suggests its sweet.

I can understand some peoples hedincacy but for me reason I took it, I want protection, I want things to get back to normal faster, I want end of lockdown, I want others to be safer around me and i believe benefits outweigh risks. Some people may not believe those things. It's their prerogative

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By *izzy.Woman
over a year ago

Stoke area


"And what do we know about the long term effect of the vaccine ? "

The vaccine itself has a short half life. It does its job...getting the immune system primed incase the body gets infected with the virus and the vaccine breaks down in the body. It doesn't hang around, which is why we need a second jab and probably a booster.

So it would be extremely unlikely to have any long term effects from the vaccine, as it isn't in the body longterm.

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)


"And what do we know about the long term effect of the vaccine ?

The vaccine itself has a short half life. It does its job...getting the immune system primed incase the body gets infected with the virus and the vaccine breaks down in the body. It doesn't hang around, which is why we need a second jab and probably a booster.

So it would be extremely unlikely to have any long term effects from the vaccine, as it isn't in the body longterm."

Documented long term effects of any vaccine that happen beyond two months of administration are virtually unknown (per Paul Offit, who'd know)

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By *traight_no_iceMan
over a year ago

Stoke

This explains also how it can lower transmission too.

PUBLISHEDAPR 28, 2021, 5:00 AM SGT

SINGAPORE - The past week has delivered a Covid-19 shocker to Singapore, not just because of the increase in community cases - there were 10 - but also the infections in people who had been vaccinated or who had been previously infected.

Experts that The Straits Times spoke to said such post-vaccine infections, as well as reinfections for those who had been previously diagnosed with the disease, are to be expected, even after the majority of the people here have been fully vaccinated.

It is a reflection of things to come for the nation at large.

Associate Professor Hsu Li Yang, an infectious diseases expert at the National University of Singapore's (NUS) Saw Swee Hock School of Public Health, said these cases are "disappointing, but not a real shock".

He said: "We expect an average of five out of 100 Pfizer- or Moderna-vaccinated persons to come down with symptomatic Covid-19 if exposed, and 10 per 100 vaccinated persons to come down with any Covid-19 infection (asymptomatic or symptomatic) based on the clinical trials and real-world data from Israel and the United States."

In a sense, it is like measles, he said. Although 95 per cent of children here are vaccinated against it, cases still pop up.

Professor Ooi Eng Eong of Duke-NUS Medical School's emerging infectious diseases programme said: "These trends are consistent with what we know about vaccines and vaccination."

He said that most vaccines cannot "elicit immune response to levels sufficient to prevent infection". But those who have received Covid-19 vaccines "around the world have also shown greatly reduced risk of hospitalisation and death".

They are also less likely to spread the infection to others.

Prof Hsu explained that as these people are less sick, or totally without symptoms, they have lower viral loads, thus reducing the risk of transmission.

He added that newer variants may also have increased infection rates in people who had previously been infected or who had received both vaccine doses.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"The vaccines trigger your immune system to produce its own natural immune responses to the virus. They are based on several technologies, including mRNA and modified viruses, including that which would have infected a different animal.

It's worth researching how our immune system works, as it's composed of a complex interconnected range of systems, it's not just a system that has 1 process that neutralises incoming threats.

Once we get the vaccine inside of us, our body's natural 'security guard' type system will recognise it as a threat and cause alarms to be raised against this flagged invader. The body will produce a range of responses, including the abilities to remember the invader for future potential attacks. Obviously we only had a safe vaccine, we didn't get the real virus injected into us. The important vaccine material are protein forms that are identical to the those on the real virus surface.

The memory of these 'invader' protein forms remain in the body, long after the immune system has processed and removed them. It's these initial records of the invader that are primed and ready to respond in the future, should something with those characteristics ever reach the body in future.

If the real virus does get into us, it will discovered and will be recognised by the tell-tale protein forms on it. The body then reproduces the correct response to it based on its memory, to destroy it much more immediately than if it was unknown.

Each virus particle wants to get inside 1 of our cells, which it hijacks to make it reproduce copies of itself. Once done, those copies would then be jettisoned, once that cell breaks down. The body's immune system may recognise and neutralise all virus particles before they enter our cells to reproduce or following entry to a cell.

The sooner that the virus enters our body, following the period after vaccination needed for us to have created a full immunity to it, the quicker our body should be able to fully destroy it, before it's had chance for significant reproduction. This may all happen before anyone had developed any symptoms of an infection, which typically have a lag of a couple of days, following the virus getting into us and reproducing.

Viruses and bacteria get to us all the time and most will be neutralised, without us ever knowing about them, on the first or subsequent invasions.

Read about B and T cells and immunity, for a greater level of detail into some of our fascinating, incredible immune system. "

Well explained

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

“He added that newer variants may also have increased infection rates in people who had previously been infected or who had received both vaccine doses.”

A very interesting point - the question posed as the forum topic was to encourage discussion between people. There is no magic pill here, this is with us for a long time and everybody who thinks this vaccination is the end of this need to rethink, there is no magic pill and keeping everybody locked up and vaccinated is not the answer, this is never going to go away when you realise that, and what we a going to be asked to give away to help the cause, those freedoms and more, this is just the start.... digital Id is here....

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

Have a look at the levels of vaccine escape, the CDC in the US are reporting on it. It's not huge.

No vaccine is 100% effective.

And yes yes it's all a conspiracy, we get it, we've heard you.

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By *iss SinWoman
over a year ago

portchester

People are ever so rude on here

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By *traight_no_iceMan
over a year ago

Stoke


"“He added that newer variants may also have increased infection rates in people who had previously been infected or who had received both vaccine doses.”

A very interesting point - the question posed as the forum topic was to encourage discussion between people. There is no magic pill here, this is with us for a long time and everybody who thinks this vaccination is the end of this need to rethink, there is no magic pill and keeping everybody locked up and vaccinated is not the answer, this is never going to go away when you realise that, and what we a going to be asked to give away to help the cause, those freedoms and more, this is just the start.... digital Id is here....

"

The covid vaccines may not eradicate the virus, but they have definitely curtailed the virus, here in the UK, at least for the time being. If everywhere in the world people were getting vaccinated in the numbers we have seen in UK and Israel, I would be very optimistic that the virus would be eradicated soon. However, due to lack of information, fear for the unknown, lack of vaccines, opening up the borders etc this is not going to happen soon. Nevertheless, this does not mean that we should not be careful here and be complacent.

Personally, I believe that right now the vaccine is our best weapon against the virus -combined with some common sense. Six months since the first vaccinations, the risk of health problems is low. I do not know whether there will be any medium or long term health issues from that but nobody knows. Right now, my first dose (AZ) gives me some peace of mind and I am looking forward for my 2nd one, in one month from now.

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By *alandNitaCouple
over a year ago

Scunthorpe


"Does having the vaccination stop you catching the virus -? If so how ? Some one please explain ?

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"

In the simplest possible terms, avaccine teaches your body what to do if it encounters a virus. If the "immune response" is good enough, it can tackle the virus almost instantly... effectively "preventing" an infection from becoming established.

Cal

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By *izandpaulCouple
over a year ago

merseyside


"Does having the vaccination stop you catching the virus -? If so how ? Some one please explain ?

Thanks

"

No.

Seen quite a few patients who have been double jabbed and still catch Covid.

Generally vulnerable, frail, elderly. The good news is they survive, the bad news it knocks them for six but no different from any other infection or virus they may contract.

Let's hope we will carry on getting better results.

As a sideline went to the pub yesterday afternoon. In the beer garden, food and a few drinks, all very pleasant all socially distanced, all fine.

About an hour later, drinks flowing, more people show up, suddenly all those 2 m gaps start to shrink, is it ok if we sit here you start to hear. More drinks flow and suddenly the distance is non existent, time for home and a bit disconcerting.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Have a look at the levels of vaccine escape, the CDC in the US are reporting on it. It's not huge.

No vaccine is 100% effective.

And yes yes it's all a conspiracy, we get it, we've heard you."

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