FabSwingers.com forum: Vaccine freeloaders

By *empsey and hotpiece OP Man
over a year ago

North west

Apparently a term for those who refused the CV vaccine, (not for medical reasons) but are now enjoying more freedom with lock down restrictions.

Emerging evidence suggests that the low covid rates are connected with the vaccine, and one dose can more than half transmission rates.

It seems some people’s argument that the vaccine didn’t prevent infection or transmission, is slowly being discredited.

I just wonder if they will stick to their beliefs and not visit the pub or club.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Apparently a term for those who refused the CV vaccine, (not for medical reasons) but are now enjoying more freedom with lock down restrictions.

Emerging evidence suggests that the low covid rates are connected with the vaccine, and one dose can more than half transmission rates.

It seems some people’s argument that the vaccine didn’t prevent infection or transmission, is slowly being discredited.

I just wonder if they will stick to their beliefs and not visit the pub or club."
doesn't really matter does it, if the majority of people get vaccinated then the small minority that aren't vaccinated shouldn't in theory really make a difference, problem comes if the population of vaccinated doesn't out way the non vaccinated but that isnt forecast to be the case so it makes no difference and there fore is abit of a non thing to think about.

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By *empsey and hotpiece OP Man
over a year ago

North west

"Apparently a term for those who refused the CV vaccine, (not for medical reasons) but are now enjoying more freedom with lock down restrictions.

Emerging evidence suggests that the low covid rates are connected with the vaccine, and one dose can more than half transmission rates.

It seems some people’s argument that the vaccine didn’t prevent infection or transmission, is slowly being discredited.

I just wonder if they will stick to their beliefs and not visit the pub or club. doesn't really matter does it, if the majority of people get vaccinated then the small minority that aren't vaccinated shouldn't in theory really make a difference, problem comes if the population of vaccinated doesn't out way the non vaccinated but that isnt forecast to be the case so it makes no difference and there fore is abit of a non thing to think about."

You miss my point completely. I don’t care if the vaccine freeloaders enjoy a restriction free life, but it’s a little hypocritical to do so if they believed the vaccine was pointless.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Apparently a term for those who refused the CV vaccine, (not for medical reasons) but are now enjoying more freedom with lock down restrictions.

Emerging evidence suggests that the low covid rates are connected with the vaccine, and one dose can more than half transmission rates.

It seems some people’s argument that the vaccine didn’t prevent infection or transmission, is slowly being discredited.

You miss my point completely. I don’t care if the vaccine freeloaders enjoy a restriction free life, but it’s a little hypocritical to do so if they believed the vaccine was pointless."
I understand what your getting at and people should just read about the science with the vaccine and not some crap on Facebook and go get vaccinated when they get it offered but unfortunately there is alot of selfish people who don't seem to understand quite simple science and you won't be able to change there minds and yes they will enjoy a covid free lifestyle not much we can do about that.

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By *hrista BellendWoman
over a year ago

surrounded by twinkly lights

Surely we cannot call the people who cannot have a vaccine "freeloaders"

The low covid rates are down to a number of things and a natural spike will occur in autumn once the weather changes again, what's interesting is that we are not going below 2000 average new daily cases...

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"Surely we cannot call the people who cannot have a vaccine "freeloaders"

Free loaders or free riders is the term that has been used for this kind of thing for a long time.

It threatens herd immunity, ultimately. Below a certain percentage vaccinated within a group, the vulnerable become at risk again. We see this in communities with high percentages of anti vaccination re measles and whooping cough.

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

* I don't think "cannot" have the vaccine is the problem here, though. As a "herd" we all stand up to protect our vulnerable.

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By *ilmissplumpyWoman
over a year ago

Wolverhampton

"Apparently a term for those who refused the CV vaccine, (not for medical reasons) but are now enjoying more freedom with lock down restrictions.

Emerging evidence suggests that the low covid rates are connected with the vaccine, and one dose can more than half transmission rates.

It seems some people’s argument that the vaccine didn’t prevent infection or transmission, is slowly being discredited.

You miss my point completely. I don’t care if the vaccine freeloaders enjoy a restriction free life, but it’s a little hypocritical to do so if they believed the vaccine was pointless."

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

Every person who is unable to be vaccinated relies on a lot more of us who can, to get it for the benefit of all. Struggling businesses, those who haven't been helped financially by furlough, anyone not lucky enough to know a government Minister to get a contract worth £millions etc, all rely on the vaccine.

With just 2 ways to stop the country being India or Brazil, either having restrictions or getting the vaccines with enough people doing it for others as well as themselves - it's vaccine or bust.

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By *yn drwgMan
over a year ago

Camarthen

I believe the vaccine has made a difference and I've had my 1st jab older members of the family have had both and to protect them is one of the main reasons I had the vaccine, we live in a democratic country and by simply making it available for everyone who wants to be vaccinated is the only way. By telling the anti vaccers you have to have it is being just as bad as they telling us we shouldn't. It's a choice!

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By *oolz4Man
over a year ago

London

It is appointed unto all mankind once to die then the judgment. Now who is a lier and who love fantasy.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

would those same people refuse to be treated if they caught it

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

There's no need to worry about this, we'll have herd immunity with well over 90% being vaccinated.

Hardly anyone is refusing the jab.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I do wonder how many of those banging on about those refusing the vaccine actually know them.

If not it appears to be a collective case of shouting into the wind, along with a bit of virtue signaling thrown in.

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By *yn drwgMan
over a year ago

Camarthen

"There's no need to worry about this, we'll have herd immunity with well over 90% being vaccinated.

Hardly anyone is refusing the jab."

There has been a high volume of people taking the jab yes which seems to be working it's a bit early to predict 90% as we will have to wait and see what the younger generation chooses to do, my son who's 18 was offered it as he has a condition but declined I would have rathered he did have it but it's his choice.

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"I do wonder how many of those banging on about those refusing the vaccine actually know them.

If not it appears to be a collective case of shouting into the wind, along with a bit of virtue signaling thrown in."

Are we not allowed to discuss these issues? Does it not potentially hurt us all?

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By *all me FlikWoman
over a year ago

Galaxy Far Far Away

Just over 34.5 million vaccinated as of Friday.....some way to go yet for a 90% take up.

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By *hatawasteMan
over a year ago

stafford

I struggle with understanding why people can't live by the consequences of their actions..

I have had the vaccine and booked for my second

I get tested regularly

So I feel I have put my health at risk by agreeing to be vaccinated

I did it so that I and others can start to enjoy life again. So I fully expect I will be allowed to mix freely with people who have taken the same risk with their lives in this big experiment one day fairly soon .

Others chose not to take the same risks as I have .. The opposite in fact they are happy to risk not being vaccinated which I have no problem with.

Some of these people say they understand that their decision has consequences and rightly so in my opinion.

That being the same freedoms afforded to other people would not always be guaranteed to them if they could not show clear covid stats .Many say they have agreed to this.. Especially on Fab!. Also that they accept it and understand how things are likely to be . I will be expecting them to honour that 'agreement' or acknowledgement perhaps after May 17th Otherwise the situation is frankly unfair on people who have taken risks and had a fairly unknown vaccine etc isn't it?

I also think everyone now needs to be willing to prove they are Covid free across the board and whenever asked . I don't care how healthy, fit, active anyone thinks they are.. the fact is you can still be a Covid carrier and show no symptoms .. So it's fair if you won't have a vaccine you must agree to be tested.. We all must .. The only option I can see is anyone who still wants to live the way they chose and are happy to accept consequences / refuses to be tested or prove they are free from Covid might need to consider living 'off grid' maybe or something like that instead?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Just over 34.5 million vaccinated as of Friday.....some way to go yet for a 90% take up."

It's well over 90% for the age groups who've been eligible for the vaccine so far.

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By *yn drwgMan
over a year ago

Camarthen

"Just over 34.5 million vaccinated as of Friday.....some way to go yet for a 90% take up.

It's well over 90% for the age groups who've been eligible for the vaccine so far."

This maybe true

that doesn't mean the whole of the population as I mentioned earlier we will have to wait and see what the younger generation and teenagers do.

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By *yn drwgMan
over a year ago

Camarthen

"I struggle with understanding why people can't live by the consequences of their actions..

I have had the vaccine and booked for my second

I get tested regularly

So I feel I have put my health at risk by agreeing to be vaccinated

Others chose not to take the same risks as I have .. The opposite in fact they are happy to risk not being vaccinated which I have no problem with.

Some of these people say they understand that their decision has consequences and rightly so in my opinion.

I agree with what you are saying and the reason so many have taken the vaccine is that we all want the same thing of normality, the process probably will be slowed down by people not being vaccinated but we shouldn't force people to do anything.

It sounds slightly contradictory as we have been controlled for the last year!

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By *all me FlikWoman
over a year ago

Galaxy Far Far Away

"Just over 34.5 million vaccinated as of Friday.....some way to go yet for a 90% take up.

It's well over 90% for the age groups who've been eligible for the vaccine so far.

This maybe true

that doesn't mean the whole of the population as I mentioned earlier we will have to wait and see what the younger generation and teenagers do. "

Exactly this....we are in their hands

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By *rNaturistMan
over a year ago

Northants

Hate me if you will.. doesn't change what i think.

I have had both doses and would have more in the future.

Those that refuse for any other reason than for medical exemption as of the effects are just prolonging the virus in numbers.

If you think lightning a candle and sitting with your legs crossed humming and sniffing pop bloody pourri is going to save you then good luck.

But they would go running to get it when it could potentially

be a requirement to go on holiday.

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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago

upton wirral

"Apparently a term for those who refused the CV vaccine, (not for medical reasons) but are now enjoying more freedom with lock down restrictions.

Emerging evidence suggests that the low covid rates are connected with the vaccine, and one dose can more than half transmission rates.

It seems some people’s argument that the vaccine didn’t prevent infection or transmission, is slowly being discredited.

I just wonder if they will stick to their beliefs and not visit the pub or club."
No they will just carry on although I hate the idea of vaccination passports maybe for three months to make them change there minds.

Also not allowed to go abroad stop there sunny holidays

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By *ealthy_and_HungMan
over a year ago

Princes Risborough, Luasanne, Alderney

according to some in the news, the act of going on holiday this summer is more cause for alarm than the small numbers of folks not being vaccinated and remaining in the UK. so much conflicting opinions have now diluted information beyond being reliable in any way. this is possibly where personal convictions take over from truth and everything just ends up in a messy vindictive finger pointing row as time goes on.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

https://youtu.be/5otPH1apDjM

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Apparently a term for those who refused the CV vaccine, (not for medical reasons) but are now enjoying more freedom with lock down restrictions.

Emerging evidence suggests that the low covid rates are connected with the vaccine, and one dose can more than half transmission rates.

It seems some people’s argument that the vaccine didn’t prevent infection or transmission, is slowly being discredited.

You miss my point completely. I don’t care if the vaccine freeloaders enjoy a restriction free life, but it’s a little hypocritical to do so if they believed the vaccine was pointless."

the disconnect in your thinking is that A (doesn’t want the vaccine) = B (believes the vaccine doesn’t stop transmission)

actually A could equal B, C, D, E

a whole range of reasons for not wanting it , some of them even being they dont believe in the danger of covid at all , so why would they stay home when restrictions open

i do agree these people are benefitting from others taking a risk , especially where their objection is because they think its not a fully teated or safe vaccine , but not much we can do about it

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By *hatawasteMan
over a year ago

stafford

"Apparently a term for those who refused the CV vaccine, (not for medical reasons) but are now enjoying more freedom with lock down restrictions.

Emerging evidence suggests that the low covid rates are connected with the vaccine, and one dose can more than half transmission rates.

It seems some people’s argument that the vaccine didn’t prevent infection or transmission, is slowly being discredited.

You miss my point completely. I don’t care if the vaccine freeloaders enjoy a restriction free life, but it’s a little hypocritical to do so if they believed the vaccine was pointless.

the disconnect in your thinking is that A (doesn’t want the vaccine) = B (believes the vaccine doesn’t stop transmission)

actually A could equal B, C, D, E

a whole range of reasons for not wanting it , some of them even being they dont believe in the danger of covid at all , so why would they stay home when restrictions open

i do agree these people are benefitting from others taking a risk , especially where their objection is because they think its not a fully teated or safe vaccine , but not much we can do about it "

Beggars belief that people who said the equiv of 'not bothered' are now saying ' no fair'?

The only thing that could be done is to make testing mandatory .. Or eventually could make it proof of 2 vaccinations..

Either way if they let the ones who continue to refuse testing to carry on as everyone else then that just craps on the people who have took one for the team as you might say as far as jabs etc are concerned ..put it this way I won't be going anywhere that doesn't ensure test or Covid free for everyone in the same place. Simple as that

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By *ust RachelTV/TS
over a year ago

Horsham

A friend or my mum has said she isn't going to be vaccinated, only thing is she has said her won't regardless of their own wishes.

The bit that annoys me is, she helps the elderly by doing some gardening, getting shopping, etc. She refuses to wear a mask when she goes into peoples houses as well.

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By *olly_chromaticTV/TS
over a year ago

Stockport

"Apparently a term for those who refused the CV vaccine, (not for medical reasons) but are now enjoying more freedom with lock down restrictions.

Emerging evidence suggests that the low covid rates are connected with the vaccine, and one dose can more than half transmission rates.

It seems some people’s argument that the vaccine didn’t prevent infection or transmission, is slowly being discredited.

For every 1 person that _cannot_ be vaccinated, there needs to be at least nine people who do get vaccinated, if we are ever to achieve proper herd immunity. This includes across all age groups down to teenage. For the moment excluding children, the takeup across adults has to be correspondingly higher.

So each person that refuses on spurious non-medical grounds forces nine others to step up to the plate and do it, or the long term danger will remain for all those with weakened immune systems such as cancer patients and the very elderly.

Perhaps all those that say "I'd rather take my chances with covid" could do the decent thing and go catch themselves a good hard dose of covid, cultivate their antibodies the "natural" way, rather than free loading on decent contributing members of society.

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"A friend or my mum has said she isn't going to be vaccinated, only thing is she has said her won't regardless of their own wishes.

The bit that annoys me is, she helps the elderly by doing some gardening, getting shopping, etc. She refuses to wear a mask when she goes into peoples houses as well. "

I help the elderly. I'm back in person.

They're horrified I haven't been jabbed. But... I haven't been jabbed *yet*. I'm too young.

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By *an JuniperoCouple
over a year ago

North East

This could be the beginning of some quite dangerous and somewhat unnecessary discrimination. I was unfamiliar with the term “vaccine freeloader” until just now but hope it doesn’t take off.

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By *ady LickWoman
over a year ago

Northampton Somewhere

"This could be the beginning of some quite dangerous and somewhat unnecessary discrimination. I was unfamiliar with the term “vaccine freeloader” until just now but hope it doesn’t take off. "

Its a horrible term, totally offensive.

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By *an JuniperoCouple
over a year ago

North East

"This could be the beginning of some quite dangerous and somewhat unnecessary discrimination. I was unfamiliar with the term “vaccine freeloader” until just now but hope it doesn’t take off.

Its a horrible term, totally offensive. "

100%

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By *estivalMan
over a year ago

borehamwood

Had my first shot last week and will have my 2nd wen offerd it.as far as thse not taking it thats there choice have mates who aint having it but wont be finger pointing or falling out with them.as for testing or passport fuck that have had my jab not doing anymore than that

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By *ady LickWoman
over a year ago

Northampton Somewhere

"Had my first shot last week and will have my 2nd wen offerd it.as far as thse not taking it thats there choice have mates who aint having it but wont be finger pointing or falling out with them.as for testing or passport fuck that have had my jab not doing anymore than that"

That's how it should be. Respect the decisions others make. Really no need to ridicule or make them feel inferior.

I'm not vaccinating but I am testing and happy to continue to do so for as long as advised.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Apparently a term for those who refused the CV vaccine, (not for medical reasons) but are now enjoying more freedom with lock down restrictions.

Emerging evidence suggests that the low covid rates are connected with the vaccine, and one dose can more than half transmission rates.

It seems some people’s argument that the vaccine didn’t prevent infection or transmission, is slowly being discredited.

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By *izandpaulCouple
over a year ago

merseyside

Don't really think we can judge people.

We would then start to go down a road of not treating people or barring them from healthcare services if they have ever smoked, overweight, drink excessively, never exercise etc etc

Most of us, hand on heart, could improve their health with better life choices but would you want to live in a place where this happens and were would you stop...only if you have never smoked, only if you are a few pounds overweight, only if you jog or go to the gym so many times a week.

It would take a lot longer vetting than treating patients.

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By *hagTonightMan
over a year ago

From the land of haribos.

"Don't really think we can judge people.

We would then start to go down a road of not treating people or barring them from healthcare services if they have ever smoked, overweight, drink excessively, never exercise etc etc

It would take a lot longer vetting than treating patients.

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This

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

i’m not really sure how people can be offended to be honest , its fact that if you choose to not take the vaccine but enough other people do, you will still benefit from their actions which lead to immunity of the herd and the fact that it will allow life to return to normal

nobody is taking the choice away from you, and i am not advocating for exclusion from society or anything like that, but facts are facts, you will benefit from other peoples actions rather than your own

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"i’m not really sure how people can be offended to be honest , its fact that if you choose to not take the vaccine but enough other people do, you will still benefit from their actions which lead to immunity of the herd and the fact that it will allow life to return to normal

That’s what society is about. That’s why those earning the highest income pay more taxes which help fund the health care and welfare of those less fortunate.

I doubt some of those who have questioned whether those who refuse the vaccine should benefit from those who have received it, would argue that the nhs should only treat those who pay into it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"according to some in the news, the act of going on holiday this summer is more cause for alarm than the small numbers of folks not being vaccinated and remaining in the UK. so much conflicting opinions have now diluted information beyond being reliable in any way. this is possibly where personal convictions take over from truth and everything just ends up in a messy vindictive finger pointing row as time goes on. "

This occurred to me too. Those who are gagging to take holidays without thought of what new strain they risk bringing back....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Apparently a term for those who refused the CV vaccine, (not for medical reasons) but are now enjoying more freedom with lock down restrictions.

Emerging evidence suggests that the low covid rates are connected with the vaccine, and one dose can more than half transmission rates.

It seems some people’s argument that the vaccine didn’t prevent infection or transmission, is slowly being discredited.

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By *leasureMaxDanMan
over a year ago

World Wide Web

"A friend or my mum has said she isn't going to be vaccinated, only thing is she has said her won't regardless of their own wishes.

The bit that annoys me is, she helps the elderly by doing some gardening, getting shopping, etc. She refuses to wear a mask when she goes into peoples houses as well.

I help the elderly. I'm back in person.

They're horrified I haven't been jabbed. But... I haven't been jabbed *yet*. I'm too young."
You can get your vaccine in no time if volunteering for vulnerable regardless your age.

Not looked into it hard enough pehraps? Oh the irony..

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By *ady LickWoman
over a year ago

Northampton Somewhere

You can't see how the word free loader could cause offence? Ok then

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"A friend or my mum has said she isn't going to be vaccinated, only thing is she has said her won't regardless of their own wishes.

The bit that annoys me is, she helps the elderly by doing some gardening, getting shopping, etc. She refuses to wear a mask when she goes into peoples houses as well.

I help the elderly. I'm back in person.

They're horrified I haven't been jabbed. But... I haven't been jabbed *yet*. I'm too young. You can get your vaccine in no time if volunteering for vulnerable regardless your age.

Not looked into it hard enough pehraps? Oh the irony..

Going to hopefully be jabbed at a vaccine trial tomorrow, but thanks for your concern.

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By *eeleyWoman
over a year ago

Dudley

You can't see how the word free loader could cause offence? Ok then

Alot of the people choosing not to be vaccinated have no real reason for it, they just read too much nonsense and decide to run with it. Those of us that do have it, are making the country safer for everyone, while those that don't have it, are potentially making it less safe for people who cannot have the vaccine. I'm offended on behalf of my friend whose young son has cystic fibrosis and would most certainly die if he caught covid, people who don't get vaccinated increase his risk.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

That’s what society is about. That’s why those earning the highest income pay more taxes which help fund the health care and welfare of those less fortunate.

I doubt some of those who have questioned whether those who refuse the vaccine should benefit from those who have received it, would argue that the nhs should only treat those who pay into it."

yes i agree, society about contributing what you are able to

the difference between your nhs example and people electing not to have a vaccine is choose not and cannot

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By *rack and FieldMan
over a year ago

Doncaster

If you've had it and recovered and now have antibody/t-cell immunity why on earth would you want to inject an experimental therapy that is already showing proven side effects!

I believe that the government should be offering test for antibody/t-cell immunity to determine where we are 1 year on in respect of 'herd immunity' and setting a base line.

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By *nkedMilfWoman
over a year ago

Colchester

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By *nkedMilfWoman
over a year ago

Colchester

"Apparently a term for those who refused the CV vaccine, (not for medical reasons) but are now enjoying more freedom with lock down restrictions.

Emerging evidence suggests that the low covid rates are connected with the vaccine, and one dose can more than half transmission rates.

It seems some people’s argument that the vaccine didn’t prevent infection or transmission, is slowly being discredited.

You miss my point completely. I don’t care if the vaccine freeloaders enjoy a restriction free life, but it’s a little hypocritical to do so if they believed the vaccine was pointless."

Why is it hypocritical? I'm not sure I understand your point?

Those that don't believe in the vaccine have mostly (as much as possible anyhow) led non restricted lives so why is it hypocritical to do so now?

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By *eeleyWoman
over a year ago

Dudley

"If you've had it and recovered and now have antibody/t-cell immunity why on earth would you want to inject an experimental therapy that is already showing proven side effects!

I believe that the government should be offering test for antibody/t-cell immunity to determine where we are 1 year on in respect of 'herd immunity' and setting a base line.

For the millionth time, it is not an experimental therapy, it's a tried and tested vaccine. Every drug had side effects, it's completely normal.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

You can't see how the word free loader could cause offence? Ok then

from macmillan dictionary but choose any online definition you like they all amount to the same ...

Definition of FREELOADER (noun): someone getting things from people without giving anything.

ie getting the benefit of herd immunity without any contribution towards it

all i am saying is it seems odd for people to freely choose an action , then be offended by the definition/ consequences of the action... nobody twisted any arms into the choice that was made

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By *rNaturistMan
over a year ago

Northants

To be honest like I've always said.

I hope it becomes mandatory for a condition of travel. Those who think covid is a myth would soon go running to get jabbed to go on holiday

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By *eeleyWoman
over a year ago

Dudley

You can't see how the word free loader could cause offence? Ok then

from macmillan dictionary but choose any online definition you like they all amount to the same ...

Definition of FREELOADER (noun): someone getting things from people without giving anything.

ie getting the benefit of herd immunity without any contribution towards it

all i am saying is it seems odd for people to freely choose an action , then be offended by the definition/ consequences of the action... nobody twisted any arms into the choice that was made

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By *eeleyWoman
over a year ago

Dudley

"To be honest like I've always said.

I hope it becomes mandatory for a condition of travel. Those who think covid is a myth would soon go running to get jabbed to go on holiday

Agreed!

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

You can't see how the word free loader could cause offence? Ok then

from macmillan dictionary but choose any online definition you like they all amount to the same ...

Definition of FREELOADER (noun): someone getting things from people without giving anything.

ie getting the benefit of herd immunity without any contribution towards it

all i am saying is it seems odd for people to freely choose an action , then be offended by the definition/ consequences of the action... nobody twisted any arms into the choice that was made

The term already existed. *Shrug*

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By *rNaturistMan
over a year ago

Northants

I would always do my part for society to survive to the best it can be. Including having both jabs to date.

I'd never be that so called freeloader. If you suck my cock I'd always face plant your pussy in return

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By *eeleyWoman
over a year ago

Dudley

"I would always do my part for society to survive to the best it can be. Including having both jabs to date.

I'd never be that so called freeloader. If you suck my cock I'd always face plant your pussy in return

Sounds violent and painful

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"If you've had it and recovered and now have antibody/t-cell immunity why on earth would you want to inject an experimental therapy that is already showing proven side effects!

I believe that the government should be offering test for antibody/t-cell immunity to determine where we are 1 year on in respect of 'herd immunity' and setting a base line.

They don't need to test people, they already have the info. Every time you go into a supermarket they scan you via the door scanners.

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By *ady LickWoman
over a year ago

Northampton Somewhere

You can't see how the word free loader could cause offence? Ok then

from macmillan dictionary but choose any online definition you like they all amount to the same ...

Definition of FREELOADER (noun): someone getting things from people without giving anything.

ie getting the benefit of herd immunity without any contribution towards it

all i am saying is it seems odd for people to freely choose an action , then be offended by the definition/ consequences of the action... nobody twisted any arms into the choice that was made

verb: patronise

treat in a way that is apparently kind or helpful but that betrays a feeling of superiority.

No need really although of course you are entitled to your opinion, as we all are.

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By *rNaturistMan
over a year ago

Northants

Anyway

I got

Tea

Coffee

Biscuits

Tic tacs

When getting my jabs

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By *onjoMan
over a year ago

west mids

I believe in Darwin’s theory of evolution.

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By *hatawasteMan
over a year ago

stafford

"If you've had it and recovered and now have antibody/t-cell immunity why on earth would you want to inject an experimental therapy that is already showing proven side effects!

I believe that the government should be offering test for antibody/t-cell immunity to determine where we are 1 year on in respect of 'herd immunity' and setting a base line.

They don't need to test people, they already have the info. Every time you go into a supermarket they scan you via the door scanners. "

Not where I live they don't.. ??

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"If you've had it and recovered and now have antibody/t-cell immunity why on earth would you want to inject an experimental therapy that is already showing proven side effects!

I believe that the government should be offering test for antibody/t-cell immunity to determine where we are 1 year on in respect of 'herd immunity' and setting a base line.

They don't need to test people, they already have the info. Every time you go into a supermarket they scan you via the door scanners.

Not where I live they don't.. ??"

That's what *they* want you to think

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By *ilmissplumpyWoman
over a year ago

Wolverhampton

"Apparently a term for those who refused the CV vaccine, (not for medical reasons) but are now enjoying more freedom with lock down restrictions.

Emerging evidence suggests that the low covid rates are connected with the vaccine, and one dose can more than half transmission rates.

It seems some people’s argument that the vaccine didn’t prevent infection or transmission, is slowly being discredited.

Really? Well me and the thousands of other staff in the hospital I work at are screwed. For that fact so will all those who potentially may catch covid as all the NHS staff are doomed by your words...

Delude, misinformed, or just you tube educated...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

FREELOADERS WTF!

Ive had c19,( ive had worse colds), what I did have was a very strong immune re-action , so I will go with my T-cell immunity and dont see why I need the "vaccine" when I will have a better defense than those that have had it.

There seems to be a civil war brewing in this country stoked-up by the govt especially now they are going to blame the next wave on those who for one reason or another cant or dont want it.

For those that have had it-you are now "immune"-right so why worry about what others choose to do with their health.

This country is getting more like 1930s Germany every day.

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By *alandNitaCouple
over a year ago

Scunthorpe

"FREELOADERS WTF!

There seems to be a civil war brewing in this country stoked-up by the govt especially now they are going to blame the next wave on those who for one reason or another cant or dont want it.

For those that have had it-you are now "immune"-right so why worry about what others choose to do with their health.

This country is getting more like 1930s Germany every day."

Whilst I don't agree that you will have a "better" immunity than those who were vaccinated (I think it will be similar), I agree whole heartedly that this concept of "free-loading" is bogus.

Everybody has the right (and rightly so) to choose for themselves whether or not to be vaccinated. As long as the numbers doing so are small enough as to not put the rest of us at risk, then the Impact will be negligible... especially when some of them will already have a natural immunity due to having the virus.

The latest figures indicate that in the age groups who have been offered a vaccine, 90% or more have been jabbed

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

"FREELOADERS WTF!

There seems to be a civil war brewing in this country stoked-up by the govt especially now they are going to blame the next wave on those who for one reason or another cant or dont want it.

For those that have had it-you are now "immune"-right so why worry about what others choose to do with their health.

This country is getting more like 1930s Germany every day."

It would be unacceptable if the government tried to get the vaccinated into a war against the unvaccinated.

I think that we will individually gain a stronger immunity, even after an infection, if we bolster that immunity with that gained via a vaccine. There have been instances, potentially driven by mutations, where those who had been infected get reinfected, without a long delay. Whilst we may get a combined flu/covid shot, keeping the numbers of both of these in future will be helpful, as we're not going to be free of themz especially in winter. This could help to prevent further harm to people who may have acquired invisible, unknown damage from covid.

Progress around the world against the virus is going to be slow, leaving us vulnerable to mutations in the millions of people getting infected. Those mutations may have a different profile, for how it affects us - more infectious, affecting other profiles of people and how it affects them, or more easily reinfecting, such as started in Brazil, as well as more deadly.

A vaccine's acquired immunity could be thought of as a booster, to that gained from natural infection.

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By *rNaturistMan
over a year ago

Northants

"FREELOADERS WTF!

There seems to be a civil war brewing in this country stoked-up by the govt especially now they are going to blame the next wave on those who for one reason or another cant or dont want it.

For those that have had it-you are now "immune"-right so why worry about what others choose to do with their health.

This country is getting more like 1930s Germany every day.

It would be unacceptable if the government tried to get the vaccinated into a war against the unvaccinated.

A vaccine's acquired immunity could be thought of as a booster, to that gained from natural infection. "

Said my opinion some time ago but just seems to be a hatred thing now constantly.

Wish fab would just get rid of the virus heading now and stop the debates as it appears to be messing with peoples emotions.

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By *irldnCouple
over a year ago

Brighton

You gotta love how so many people on social media (not just here) treat all these “debates” as black & white extremes. Total tribalism. Never any room for shades of grey (50 or otherwise). Complexity is lost in a scramble to score points or hammer home opinions or attempt to belittle or shame others with an opinion that diverges from “my world view” encouraging a pile on of the likeminded!

Generally I like to try and see all sides of an argument and will deliberately play devil’s advocate to at least attempt a more rounded discussion (virtue signalling moi? Never!)

But one thing I do have to say is this...

All the people out there (not just on here) claiming they are having the vaccine for the good of society are either lying or we must live in THE most altruistic society that has ever existed (and based on how THIS country acts around other societal issues I simply do not believe it).

Folks you are having the vaccine to protect yourself first and foremost. Any benefit to family, friends or society is a by-product and not the primary driver. Just be honest!

If (big IF) you were told that there is definitely a long term negative health impact of these vaccines, say perhaps reducing life expectancy by 10 years, and you then still decided to have the jab, well THEN you can claim that helping society etc is your primary driver.

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By *empsey and hotpiece OP Man
over a year ago

North west

This escalated

Not sure why some get so bent out of shape about a “term” though.

Just to clarify, I have no problem with anyone taking the choice not to have the vaccine, and I don’t believe they should be questioned or penalised in anyway for not doing so.

My original point was wether those who refused the vaccine because they felt it infringed their rights or they didn’t believe there was any point because it didn’t stop transmission , will they enjoy their freedom and realise the vaccine they refused is partly the reason they can go to the pub etc .

I’m sure there’s a whole host of reasons some haven’t taken the vaccine, but there’s some who denied the virus exsisted or fed into conspiracy and some who spread propaganda about the vaccine, i think the term freeloader is fully justified in their case.

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By *mmixtapeCouple
over a year ago

middle earth

"* I don't think "cannot" have the vaccine is the problem here, though. As a "herd" we all stand up to protect our vulnerable."

This is the main point.

The problem is never the people who cannot get the vaccine, it's the people that will not get the vaccine that cause issues. Yes it's your choice, but if there isn't a large enough uptake herd immunity simply won't be effective. The idea of vaccines is that everyone who can get it should.. that's historically how they have worked.

I would like to know how uptake goes, obviously not everyone who wants it has had access yet but once the demand dries up I wonder if enough people will have got it

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By *hatawasteMan
over a year ago

stafford

"FREELOADERS WTF!

There seems to be a civil war brewing in this country stoked-up by the govt especially now they are going to blame the next wave on those who for one reason or another cant or dont want it.

For those that have had it-you are now "immune"-right so why worry about what others choose to do with their health.

This country is getting more like 1930s Germany every day."

Sorry but you are viewing this wrong in my opinion

Consider this..

Firstly.. The jab is not about you or your health its about everyone else's. Particularly the vulnerable.. That's why most people have agreed to it.

Secondly it's still a choice.. And you have a right to decide what you want to do or not as the case may be.

Also this is an obvious precursor to a link with health insurance criteria in the future.. Without vaccinations I guarantee premiums will be higher.. And that's an unfortunate inevitability

but here's the thing.. Even though people accept your opinion/, choices they don't have to be nice about it! .. I think that's what is surprising people about this..people are being told to be kind and nice and the like to each other.. Everyone wins a race and gets a medal kind of society.. Which whilst sounding lovely and safe is completely lying to anyone about the reality of the world right now. People are getting passionate at both ends of the argument of course neither understanding each other very well ..

This is not anything to do with pre war Germany because its common sense. Its not anything else.. Comparing it to the Jewish /Kristalnacht situation is a bit much because people currently people are tolerant and are happy for the non vaccinated to be allowed the same freedoms as everyone else.. However those people will need to take a test for sure.

I would argue the problem will come if people start to refuse testing too because it will start some problems when people are going to pubs or concerts etc and rightly so in my opinion..

By all means don't have the jab but accept that will come with consequences one way or another and people will tell you how they feel about it .. And you must absolutely agree to prove testing/Covid free before being in the same places as people who have risked their health and taken the jab in a very big experiment

Last point if you have had Covid have you registered to take part in the experiments going on towards understanding it more? That would be quite a cool thing to do?

Life insurance and health insurance premiums? That will be up to you I guess..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

" All the people out there (not just on here) claiming they are having the vaccine for the good of society are either lying or we must live in THE most altruistic society that has ever existed (and based on how THIS country acts around other societal issues I simply do not believe it).

Folks you are having the vaccine to protect yourself first and foremost. Any benefit to family, friends or society is a by-product and not the primary driver. Just be honest! "

honestly i think many young healthy people are not even all that fussed by the medical protection side of it, they are taking it to get their life back , but we only get that life back if as a community or herd or whatever we reach a high enough level of immunity which is where this do it for the good of society point comes from

Sure the ultimate goal is perhaps for their own life but they know that is only achieved if enough of us do the community minded thing

Most altruistic acts are for the benefit of others. There probably aren’t many similar examples in other areas of life where you need to make the community effort for a direct impact on your own life which is why you probably don’t see the same level of “altruism” in other areas , other than possibly litter picking or arranging to clear fly tipping in your local area - you do the community thing but it benefits you as your house value stays up in you don’t live in a tip and you don’t have to look at the eyesore , and i do genuinely see loads of posts about that kind of stuff on the neighbourhood app

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"You gotta love how so many people on social media (not just here) treat all these “debates” as black & white extremes. Total tribalism. Never any room for shades of grey (50 or otherwise). Complexity is lost in a scramble to score points or hammer home opinions or attempt to belittle or shame others with an opinion that diverges from “my world view” encouraging a pile on of the likeminded!

Generally I like to try and see all sides of an argument and will deliberately play devil’s advocate to at least attempt a more rounded discussion (virtue signalling moi? Never!)

But one thing I do have to say is this...

Folks you are having the vaccine to protect yourself first and foremost. Any benefit to family, friends or society is a by-product and not the primary driver. Just be honest!

So just to play devils advocate here. Let’s suppose consciousness evolves through stages where our values become more inclusive, compassionate and loving. This would be based on understanding the connectedness of the whole Universe. This would be based on an understanding of evolution of consciousness that says we move from undifferentiated un consciousness in the womb, through, egocentric, ethnocentric, world-centric, planetary-centric to cosmocentric consciousness as we wake up, grow up, clean up, open up and show up in new ways to better serve the needs of the world. Would there then be room for increasingly altruistic acts, even if it is based on what benefits the Self benefits everyone because we are all connected?

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over a year ago

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By *rNaturistMan
over a year ago

Northants

YAWN

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By *irldnCouple
over a year ago

Brighton

Folks you are having the vaccine to protect yourself first and foremost. Any benefit to family, friends or society is a by-product and not the primary driver. Just be honest!

Sure the ultimate goal is perhaps for their own life but they know that is only achieved if enough of us do the community minded thing

But that is the point. It IS still about “benefit to me” whether that be “my health” or “my lifestyle”.

People may claim they had the jab to help John’s pub reopen but the primary reason is they want to go back to John’s pub.

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By *irldnCouple
over a year ago

Brighton

Generally I like to try and see all sides of an argument and will deliberately play devil’s advocate to at least attempt a more rounded discussion (virtue signalling moi? Never!)

But one thing I do have to say is this...

Folks you are having the vaccine to protect yourself first and foremost. Any benefit to family, friends or society is a by-product and not the primary driver. Just be honest!

Nice concept but I think you are assigning more credit then is due for the vast majority of our fellow (hu)man

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By *heNYCSausageMan
over a year ago

Everton

"Apparently a term for those who refused the CV vaccine, (not for medical reasons) but are now enjoying more freedom with lock down restrictions.

Emerging evidence suggests that the low covid rates are connected with the vaccine, and one dose can more than half transmission rates.

It seems some people’s argument that the vaccine didn’t prevent infection or transmission, is slowly being discredited.

I just wonder if they will stick to their beliefs and not visit the pub or club."

Are you forgetting that there’s a lockdown in place and people are still social distancing?

The numbers are dropping but solely putting it down to vaccinations (which aren’t immunisations) is just stupid.

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"Apparently a term for those who refused the CV vaccine, (not for medical reasons) but are now enjoying more freedom with lock down restrictions.

Emerging evidence suggests that the low covid rates are connected with the vaccine, and one dose can more than half transmission rates.

It seems some people’s argument that the vaccine didn’t prevent infection or transmission, is slowly being discredited.

I just wonder if they will stick to their beliefs and not visit the pub or club.

Are you forgetting that there’s a lockdown in place and people are still social distancing?

The numbers are dropping but solely putting it down to vaccinations (which aren’t immunisations) is just stupid. "

From the CDC (unsure if I can link US government):

"Vaccination: The act of introducing a vaccine into the body to produce immunity to a specific disease. Immunization: A process by which a person becomes protected against a disease through vaccination. This term is often used interchangeably with vaccination or inoculation."

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over a year ago

Folks you are having the vaccine to protect yourself first and foremost. Any benefit to family, friends or society is a by-product and not the primary driver. Just be honest!

Sure the ultimate goal is perhaps for their own life but they know that is only achieved if enough of us do the community minded thing

But that is the point. It IS still about “benefit to me” whether that be “my health” or “my lifestyle”.

People may claim they had the jab to help John’s pub reopen but the primary reason is they want to go back to John’s pub."

I had the jab so I can protect myself and everyone else. It is possible to hold multiple positive intentions at once. I am particularly concerned for those who cannot be vaccinated because they rely on the rest of us being vaccinated to create herd immunity. I am fully aware of the extremely low level of risk of the vaccine to me, compared to the likelihood of severe illness and dying from Covid.

I hope we will learn a great deal from this pandemic that benefits humanity and vaccine development is one area where we could make massive progress.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Apparently a term for those who refused the CV vaccine, (not for medical reasons) but are now enjoying more freedom with lock down restrictions.

Emerging evidence suggests that the low covid rates are connected with the vaccine, and one dose can more than half transmission rates.

It seems some people’s argument that the vaccine didn’t prevent infection or transmission, is slowly being discredited.

I just wonder if they will stick to their beliefs and not visit the pub or club.

Are you forgetting that there’s a lockdown in place and people are still social distancing?

The numbers are dropping but solely putting it down to vaccinations (which aren’t immunisations) is just stupid. "

There is evidence now that it is due to a combination of those factors and excellent statistical research being done to start to understand the effect of the multiple variables.

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By *heNYCSausageMan
over a year ago

Everton

"Apparently a term for those who refused the CV vaccine, (not for medical reasons) but are now enjoying more freedom with lock down restrictions.

Emerging evidence suggests that the low covid rates are connected with the vaccine, and one dose can more than half transmission rates.

It seems some people’s argument that the vaccine didn’t prevent infection or transmission, is slowly being discredited.

I just wonder if they will stick to their beliefs and not visit the pub or club.

Are you forgetting that there’s a lockdown in place and people are still social distancing?

The numbers are dropping but solely putting it down to vaccinations (which aren’t immunisations) is just stupid.

From the CDC (unsure if I can link US government):

I saw that simple Google search too. But if you read more (and I know you’re the type that wohld), you’d have seen another quote that says:

“ The terms ‘vaccination’ and ‘immunisation’ don’t mean quite the same thing. Vaccination is the term used for getting a vaccine – that is, actually getting the injection or taking an oral vaccine dose. Immunisation refers to the process of both getting the vaccine and becoming immune to the disease following vaccination.”

So whilst they are similar, they aren’t the same or interchangeable. And even Oxford said that this vaccination won’t give you COViD (like the flub jab and rubella injections give you a harmless variant of the virus).

But I digress. I won’t be taking the vaccine. I’m not an anti-vaxxer but I don’t trust something that’s not had a long term study.

Look at Thalidomide. It was given to pregnant women as a cure for morning sickness. No long term study there either

No one knows the long term effects of the vaccine. There are rumours that it could cause infertility. That doesn’t bother me cause I’ve had the snip lol

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"Apparently a term for those who refused the CV vaccine, (not for medical reasons) but are now enjoying more freedom with lock down restrictions.

Emerging evidence suggests that the low covid rates are connected with the vaccine, and one dose can more than half transmission rates.

It seems some people’s argument that the vaccine didn’t prevent infection or transmission, is slowly being discredited.

I just wonder if they will stick to their beliefs and not visit the pub or club.

Are you forgetting that there’s a lockdown in place and people are still social distancing?

The numbers are dropping but solely putting it down to vaccinations (which aren’t immunisations) is just stupid.

From the CDC (unsure if I can link US government):

I saw that simple Google search too. But if you read more (and I know you’re the type that wohld), you’d have seen another quote that says:

But I digress. I won’t be taking the vaccine. I’m not an anti-vaxxer but I don’t trust something that’s not had a long term study.

Look at Thalidomide. It was given to pregnant women as a cure for morning sickness. No long term study there either

No one knows the long term effects of the vaccine. There are rumours that it could cause infertility. That doesn’t bother me cause I’ve had the snip lol"

Vaccination induces immunisation. It's splitting hairs.

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By *rNaturistMan
over a year ago

Northants

I wonder if all those refusing the vaccine due to not knowing it's effects read the full inserted leaflet when taking thier first ever paracetamol

Just saying.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Generally I like to try and see all sides of an argument and will deliberately play devil’s advocate to at least attempt a more rounded discussion (virtue signalling moi? Never!)

But one thing I do have to say is this...

Folks you are having the vaccine to protect yourself first and foremost. Any benefit to family, friends or society is a by-product and not the primary driver. Just be honest!

Nice concept but I think you are assigning more credit then is due for the vast majority of our fellow (hu)man"

For sure the majority of the population of the world are still operating from egocentric, ethnocentric and early world-centric values, but the percentage who are not is increasing on a daily basis. As such I am very willing to accept that it here are some individuals who are driven by socially-conscious motives.

Some of us had childhood experiences that transformed how we saw the world. That can have a massive impact on how we see the world as adults. I’m happy to believe there’s a proportion of people with those kind of values on Fab as well

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By *heNYCSausageMan
over a year ago

Everton

"I wonder if all those refusing the vaccine due to not knowing it's effects read the full inserted leaflet when taking thier first ever paracetamol

Just saying.

Maybe not paracetamol but when I’m prescribed medication I always read the label, and then research it too

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By *rNaturistMan
over a year ago

Northants

"I wonder if all those refusing the vaccine due to not knowing it's effects read the full inserted leaflet when taking thier first ever paracetamol

Just saying.

Maybe not paracetamol but when I’m prescribed medication I always read the label, and then research it too"

Lets hope you never require an anti venom within minutes.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Apparently a term for those who refused the CV vaccine, (not for medical reasons) but are now enjoying more freedom with lock down restrictions.

Emerging evidence suggests that the low covid rates are connected with the vaccine, and one dose can more than half transmission rates.

It seems some people’s argument that the vaccine didn’t prevent infection or transmission, is slowly being discredited.

I just wonder if they will stick to their beliefs and not visit the pub or club.

Are you forgetting that there’s a lockdown in place and people are still social distancing?

The numbers are dropping but solely putting it down to vaccinations (which aren’t immunisations) is just stupid.

From the CDC (unsure if I can link US government):

I saw that simple Google search too. But if you read more (and I know you’re the type that wohld), you’d have seen another quote that says:

But I digress. I won’t be taking the vaccine. I’m not an anti-vaxxer but I don’t trust something that’s not had a long term study.

Look at Thalidomide. It was given to pregnant women as a cure for morning sickness. No long term study there either

No one knows the long term effects of the vaccine. There are rumours that it could cause infertility. That doesn’t bother me cause I’ve had the snip lol"

Medical research has made huge advances since the Thalidomide issue and some of these issues really are red herrings. There are lots of rumours. Social media is full of them and the algorithms fuel our hunger for this brainwashing hogwash. Doing our own research on Facebook and Twitter is not the same as rigorous scientific inquiry. Understanding potential bias in scientific research is also very important too, so funding needs to be investigated. Once we start investigating biases behind claims and checking the veracity of certain claims we soon realise how misinformation dupes us when we aren’t paying attention.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I wonder if all those refusing the vaccine due to not knowing it's effects read the full inserted leaflet when taking thier first ever paracetamol

Just saying.

Maybe not paracetamol but when I’m prescribed medication I always read the label, and then research it too"

You have your own laboratory?

You conduct clinical trials?

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By *heNYCSausageMan
over a year ago

Everton

"Apparently a term for those who refused the CV vaccine, (not for medical reasons) but are now enjoying more freedom with lock down restrictions.

Emerging evidence suggests that the low covid rates are connected with the vaccine, and one dose can more than half transmission rates.

It seems some people’s argument that the vaccine didn’t prevent infection or transmission, is slowly being discredited.

I just wonder if they will stick to their beliefs and not visit the pub or club.

Are you forgetting that there’s a lockdown in place and people are still social distancing?

The numbers are dropping but solely putting it down to vaccinations (which aren’t immunisations) is just stupid.

From the CDC (unsure if I can link US government):

I saw that simple Google search too. But if you read more (and I know you’re the type that wohld), you’d have seen another quote that says:

But I digress. I won’t be taking the vaccine. I’m not an anti-vaxxer but I don’t trust something that’s not had a long term study.

Look at Thalidomide. It was given to pregnant women as a cure for morning sickness. No long term study there either

No one knows the long term effects of the vaccine. There are rumours that it could cause infertility. That doesn’t bother me cause I’ve had the snip lol

Lol I’m not a Facebook/Twitter researcher

And I also believe the earth is round and man has in fact visited the moon

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By *heNYCSausageMan
over a year ago

Everton

"I wonder if all those refusing the vaccine due to not knowing it's effects read the full inserted leaflet when taking thier first ever paracetamol

Just saying.

Maybe not paracetamol but when I’m prescribed medication I always read the label, and then research it too

You have your own laboratory?

You conduct clinical trials?"

Stupid argument.

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over a year ago

"I wonder if all those refusing the vaccine due to not knowing it's effects read the full inserted leaflet when taking thier first ever paracetamol

Just saying.

Maybe not paracetamol but when I’m prescribed medication I always read the label, and then research it too

You have your own laboratory?

You conduct clinical trials?

Stupid argument. "

Well you are suggesting you know better than the recommendations that come through rigorous scientific research and well documented medical evidence. Unless you are doing equally rigorous research your own research is likely fraught with bias that you may not even be aware of. From your previous posts I think this is the case.

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By *irldnCouple
over a year ago

Brighton

Folks you are having the vaccine to protect yourself first and foremost. Any benefit to family, friends or society is a by-product and not the primary driver. Just be honest!

Sure the ultimate goal is perhaps for their own life but they know that is only achieved if enough of us do the community minded thing

But that is the point. It IS still about “benefit to me” whether that be “my health” or “my lifestyle”.

People may claim they had the jab to help John’s pub reopen but the primary reason is they want to go back to John’s pub.

I hope we will learn a great deal from this pandemic that benefits humanity and vaccine development is one area where we could make massive progress."

Of course we can all have multiple intentions but that is not altruism.

You can only claim altruistic intent if (in this case) the vaccine provided no benefit to yourself (or potentially a disbenefit) Clearly it does.

Of course it makes us feel good about ourselves thinking that our actions will have a positive impact on others, but that is the byproduct of that action and the real test would be whether so many people would have the vaccine(s) if they provided no protection to you or would not allow you to reclaim your lifestyle.

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

I don't think altruism means absolute selflessness.

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By *irldnCouple
over a year ago

Brighton

Just to add (as you cannot edit posts)...

There are of course some truly altruistic people in the world. All those a year ago who took part in vaccine trials with no idea of the potential impact on themselves.

People having the vaccine now are not in the same league.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Folks you are having the vaccine to protect yourself first and foremost. Any benefit to family, friends or society is a by-product and not the primary driver. Just be honest!

Sure the ultimate goal is perhaps for their own life but they know that is only achieved if enough of us do the community minded thing

But that is the point. It IS still about “benefit to me” whether that be “my health” or “my lifestyle”.

People may claim they had the jab to help John’s pub reopen but the primary reason is they want to go back to John’s pub.

I hope we will learn a great deal from this pandemic that benefits humanity and vaccine development is one area where we could make massive progress.

Of course we can all have multiple intentions but that is not altruism.

You can only claim altruistic intent if (in this case) the vaccine provided no benefit to yourself (or potentially a disbenefit) Clearly it does.

Altruism is an ideal it is something we can work towards. As humans even at our most enlightened it can only be from a perspective of what benefits the Self benefits all.

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By *rNaturistMan
over a year ago

Northants

"I wonder if all those refusing the vaccine due to not knowing it's effects read the full inserted leaflet when taking thier first ever paracetamol

Just saying.

Maybe not paracetamol but when I’m prescribed medication I always read the label, and then research it too

You have your own laboratory?

You conduct clinical trials?

Stupid argument. "

Not really he's actually very right.

Take medication and vaccine out for a moment.

Do you research every tiny piece of food you place in your body. Do you research each and every ingredient in that food..Do you research its origin and do you research how it was transported and do you research the backgrounds of those employed to produce that food.

Just saying

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By *heNYCSausageMan
over a year ago

Everton

"I wonder if all those refusing the vaccine due to not knowing it's effects read the full inserted leaflet when taking thier first ever paracetamol

Just saying.

Maybe not paracetamol but when I’m prescribed medication I always read the label, and then research it too

You have your own laboratory?

You conduct clinical trials?

Stupid argument.

Not at all. I have aspergers. I don’t just think “oh that sounds good”. I read and I read and I read.

I’m not questioning any of the “ rigorous scientific research and well documented medical evidence”. Show me where I said that. What I said was “the reason I won’t be taking the vaccine is because there’s been no long term study”.

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"I wonder if all those refusing the vaccine due to not knowing it's effects read the full inserted leaflet when taking thier first ever paracetamol

Just saying.

Maybe not paracetamol but when I’m prescribed medication I always read the label, and then research it too

You have your own laboratory?

You conduct clinical trials?

Stupid argument.

Not really he's actually very right.

Take medication and vaccine out for a moment.

Just saying "

Or understand the terminology? The background knowledge? The wider debates within the field? The weight of one type of evidence over another? Statistical significance and what that entails? Whether the conclusions of papers match the data? Does the data have holes?

If reading commentary rather than papers, whether the people writing might be credible or not, and why.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I wonder if all those refusing the vaccine due to not knowing it's effects read the full inserted leaflet when taking thier first ever paracetamol

Just saying.

Maybe not paracetamol but when I’m prescribed medication I always read the label, and then research it too

You have your own laboratory?

You conduct clinical trials?

Stupid argument.

Not at all. I have aspergers. I don’t just think “oh that sounds good”. I read and I read and I read.

I pray you don’t get infected.

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By *irldnCouple
over a year ago

Brighton

"I wonder if all those refusing the vaccine due to not knowing it's effects read the full inserted leaflet when taking thier first ever paracetamol

Just saying.

Often see people using this argument but it is apples and pears.

Paracetamol was first used in clinical trials in 1893 and went into full commercial use in the 1950s. So I suspect there is a LOT of data on side effects both short and long term.

It is the same with vaccines. Most have been around for many years so data on long term effects is available, researched and peer reviewed.

One of the last emergency vaccine programmes was for Swine Flu. Caused narcolepsy and worse (look it up, especially cases in Ireland). NHS staff had no choice as I recall?

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By *entlemanrogueMan
over a year ago

Motherwell

"Apparently a term for those who refused the CV vaccine, (not for medical reasons) but are now enjoying more freedom with lock down restrictions.

Emerging evidence suggests that the low covid rates are connected with the vaccine, and one dose can more than half transmission rates.

It seems some people’s argument that the vaccine didn’t prevent infection or transmission, is slowly being discredited.

You miss my point completely. I don’t care if the vaccine freeloaders enjoy a restriction free life, but it’s a little hypocritical to do so if they believed the vaccine was pointless."

Initially we were told it may not stop either transmittion or infection. This was not something someone online made up one day.

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over a year ago

Folks you are having the vaccine to protect yourself first and foremost. Any benefit to family, friends or society is a by-product and not the primary driver. Just be honest!

Sure the ultimate goal is perhaps for their own life but they know that is only achieved if enough of us do the community minded thing

But that is the point. It IS still about “benefit to me” whether that be “my health” or “my lifestyle”.

People may claim they had the jab to help John’s pub reopen but the primary reason is they want to go back to John’s pub."

i don’t disagree, but people also know they wont get back to John’s pub if enough people don’t also do their bit (even if that bit is for their own selfish reasons)

and its not just Billy wanting to get back to John’s pub cause he likes a drink, its also John wanting to get back to running his pub, Jean wanting to get back her job cleaning it , and so on

all 3 of them yes have a primary reason linked to themselves but some of that is “I would like to have an income again”, so i don’t think its unreasonable for John and Jean in that scenario to be frustrated by people that just say oh well not my problem i would rather abstain because i read a lot of conspiracy crap online

i mean have you read the bill gates threads

i’ve always said in threads i don’t care why people get it, even if its just because they need a passport stamp for their holidays , fine , if it’s entirely for reasons that benefit yourself , no problem, as long as we hit the required level for herd immunity it doesn’t really matter folks reasons for wanting it

and if we don’t thats when we start visiting peoples reasons for not wanting it to see how we can resolve it for enough of them to get us across the line

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By *irldnCouple
over a year ago

Brighton

"I don't think altruism means absolute selflessness."

You just know I won’t agree with that though right?

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over a year ago

"Apparently a term for those who refused the CV vaccine, (not for medical reasons) but are now enjoying more freedom with lock down restrictions.

Emerging evidence suggests that the low covid rates are connected with the vaccine, and one dose can more than half transmission rates.

It seems some people’s argument that the vaccine didn’t prevent infection or transmission, is slowly being discredited.

You miss my point completely. I don’t care if the vaccine freeloaders enjoy a restriction free life, but it’s a little hypocritical to do so if they believed the vaccine was pointless.

Initially we were told it may not stop either transmittion or infection. This was not something someone online made up one day."

initially we were told that yes, because at that time the studies had focussed on reduction of symptoms, hospitalisation and death

all further studies into ability to catch and spread are however showing positive results that it reduces both

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"I don't think altruism means absolute selflessness.

You just know I won’t agree with that though right?

Not asking you to, though

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"Apparently a term for those who refused the CV vaccine, (not for medical reasons) but are now enjoying more freedom with lock down restrictions.

Emerging evidence suggests that the low covid rates are connected with the vaccine, and one dose can more than half transmission rates.

It seems some people’s argument that the vaccine didn’t prevent infection or transmission, is slowly being discredited.

You miss my point completely. I don’t care if the vaccine freeloaders enjoy a restriction free life, but it’s a little hypocritical to do so if they believed the vaccine was pointless.

Initially we were told it may not stop either transmittion or infection. This was not something someone online made up one day.

initially we were told that yes, because at that time the studies had focussed on reduction of symptoms, hospitalisation and death

all further studies into ability to catch and spread are however showing positive results that it reduces both "

They acted in an abundance of caution and advised us accordingly. Seems wise to me

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By *irldnCouple
over a year ago

Brighton

Folks you are having the vaccine to protect yourself first and foremost. Any benefit to family, friends or society is a by-product and not the primary driver. Just be honest!

Sure the ultimate goal is perhaps for their own life but they know that is only achieved if enough of us do the community minded thing

But that is the point. It IS still about “benefit to me” whether that be “my health” or “my lifestyle”.

People may claim they had the jab to help John’s pub reopen but the primary reason is they want to go back to John’s pub.

i don’t disagree, but people also know they wont get back to John’s pub if enough people don’t also do their bit (even if that bit is for their own selfish reasons)

and its not just Billy wanting to get back to John’s pub cause he likes a drink, its also John wanting to get back to running his pub, Jean wanting to get back her job cleaning it , and so on

i mean have you read the bill gates threads

and if we don’t thats when we start visiting peoples reasons for not wanting it to see how we can resolve it for enough of them to get us across the line "

Wish it was easier on a phone to only quote a segment, this is getting long and will be closed soon.

Right so you have just reframed the point I was making (or moved the goalposts). I have not said it is wrong for people to have any motivation whatsoever for having the vaccine. My point is that very very few can claim the PRIMARY reason is altruistic (ie for the benefit of society).

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By *amish SMan
over a year ago

Eastleigh

Kenyan government minister comes to mind. There will be more, herd immunity reduces the liklihood of the non vaxxers catching it, but does nothing to reduce their suffering or potential demise when they do.

I firmly if it is their right to not have it, but I strongly feel that they should be charged for their treatment if they catch it. Of course this does not apply to those medically exempt from having the vaccination.

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By *irldnCouple
over a year ago

Brighton

"Kenyan government minister comes to mind. There will be more, herd immunity reduces the liklihood of the non vaxxers catching it, but does nothing to reduce their suffering or potential demise when they do.

Wow really! So shall we next extend that to people who smoke? Drink too much alcohol? Are obese? What about refuse A&E to a dangerous driver who caused an accident?

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By *rNaturistMan
over a year ago

Northants

YAWN

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

" Right so you have just reframed the point I was making (or moved the goalposts). I have not said it is wrong for people to have any motivation whatsoever for having the vaccine. My point is that very very few can claim the PRIMARY reason is altruistic (ie for the benefit of society) "

i wasn't trying to reframe or change your point, just clarifying my position that i really don’t care why folk get it , as long as enough of us do

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Wow really! So shall we next extend that to people who smoke? Drink too much alcohol? Are obese? What about refuse A&E to a dangerous driver who caused an accident?"

yeah you can’t do that , its too messy, and we don’t just hang people out to dry (or in this case die) because we don’t agree with decisions they made

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By *rNaturistMan
over a year ago

Northants

Can't wait for post 175

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

Wow really! So shall we next extend that to people who smoke? Drink too much alcohol? Are obese? What about refuse A&E to a dangerous driver who caused an accident?

yeah you can’t do that , its too messy, and we don’t just hang people out to dry (or in this case die) because we don’t agree with decisions they made "

No, I don't think healthcare should depend on ability to pay or making good choices. But I also don't think that people should be exempt from criticism about the choices they make.

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By *rNaturistMan
over a year ago

Northants

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By *heNYCSausageMan
over a year ago

Everton

At the end of the day this is my decision. My body, it would be me that had to live with any long term side effects that haven’t been discovered yet.

So I choose to not take the vaccine. Pure and simple. Why are people telling me I have to? Do I tell you how to live your life?

I don’t leave my house except to go to work.

I hardly see any people even in work.

I’m a total recluse most of the time.

Anywhere I go I’m wearing a clean facemask.

I get tested twice a week in work. I volunteered to be the guinea pig in this experiment.

I’m doing everything in my power to protect myself SAFELY. I know and understand the risks. And I do everything I can to minimise them. But I won’t risk my long term health for anyone.

If you don’t like it, please, feel free to block me.

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By *rNaturistMan
over a year ago

Northants

"At the end of the day this is my decision. My body, it would be me that had to live with any long term side effects that haven’t been discovered yet.

So I choose to not take the vaccine. Pure and simple. Why are people telling me I have to? Do I tell you how to live your life?

I don’t leave my house except to go to work.

I hardly see any people even in work.

I’m a total recluse most of the time.

Anywhere I go I’m wearing a clean facemask.

I get tested twice a week in work. I volunteered to be the guinea pig in this experiment.

I’m doing everything in my power to protect myself SAFELY. I know and understand the risks. And I do everything I can to minimise them. But I won’t risk my long term health for anyone.

If you don’t like it, please, feel free to block me. "

I volunteered to be the guinea pig in this experiment. As you quote.

But you chose not to have the vaccine.

Hmmmm

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By *heNYCSausageMan
over a year ago

Everton

"At the end of the day this is my decision. My body, it would be me that had to live with any long term side effects that haven’t been discovered yet.

So I choose to not take the vaccine. Pure and simple. Why are people telling me I have to? Do I tell you how to live your life?

I don’t leave my house except to go to work.

I hardly see any people even in work.

I’m a total recluse most of the time.

Anywhere I go I’m wearing a clean facemask.

I get tested twice a week in work. I volunteered to be the guinea pig in this experiment.

I’m doing everything in my power to protect myself SAFELY. I know and understand the risks. And I do everything I can to minimise them. But I won’t risk my long term health for anyone.

If you don’t like it, please, feel free to block me.

I volunteered to be the guinea pig in this experiment. As you quote.

But you chose not to have the vaccine.

Hmmmm "

And I respect your decision to have the test. I just don’t want to risk it myself until there’s been a long term study

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By *ady LickWoman
over a year ago

Northampton Somewhere

"At the end of the day this is my decision. My body, it would be me that had to live with any long term side effects that haven’t been discovered yet.

So I choose to not take the vaccine. Pure and simple. Why are people telling me I have to? Do I tell you how to live your life?

I don’t leave my house except to go to work.

I hardly see any people even in work.

I’m a total recluse most of the time.

Anywhere I go I’m wearing a clean facemask.

I get tested twice a week in work. I volunteered to be the guinea pig in this experiment.

I’m doing everything in my power to protect myself SAFELY. I know and understand the risks. And I do everything I can to minimise them. But I won’t risk my long term health for anyone.

If you don’t like it, please, feel free to block me.

I volunteered to be the guinea pig in this experiment. As you quote.

But you chose not to have the vaccine.

Hmmmm "

You can't compare testing to having the vaccine in this case, if he's testing at work as opposed to having the vaccine.

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By *irldnCouple
over a year ago

Brighton

i wasn't trying to reframe or change your point, just clarifying my position that i really don’t care why folk get it , as long as enough of us do "

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By *rNaturistMan
over a year ago

Northants

"At the end of the day this is my decision. My body, it would be me that had to live with any long term side effects that haven’t been discovered yet.

So I choose to not take the vaccine. Pure and simple. Why are people telling me I have to? Do I tell you how to live your life?

I don’t leave my house except to go to work.

I hardly see any people even in work.

I’m a total recluse most of the time.

Anywhere I go I’m wearing a clean facemask.

I get tested twice a week in work. I volunteered to be the guinea pig in this experiment.

I’m doing everything in my power to protect myself SAFELY. I know and understand the risks. And I do everything I can to minimise them. But I won’t risk my long term health for anyone.

If you don’t like it, please, feel free to block me.

I volunteered to be the guinea pig in this experiment. As you quote.

But you chose not to have the vaccine.

Hmmmm

You can't compare testing to having the vaccine in this case, if he's testing at work as opposed to having the vaccine. "

Haha testing didn't need a vaulenteer .. we didnt rely on his outcome to then feel it was ok to go get tested...

Wow

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By *heNYCSausageMan
over a year ago

Everton

"At the end of the day this is my decision. My body, it would be me that had to live with any long term side effects that haven’t been discovered yet.

So I choose to not take the vaccine. Pure and simple. Why are people telling me I have to? Do I tell you how to live your life?

I don’t leave my house except to go to work.

I hardly see any people even in work.

I’m a total recluse most of the time.

Anywhere I go I’m wearing a clean facemask.

I get tested twice a week in work. I volunteered to be the guinea pig in this experiment.

I’m doing everything in my power to protect myself SAFELY. I know and understand the risks. And I do everything I can to minimise them. But I won’t risk my long term health for anyone.

If you don’t like it, please, feel free to block me.

I volunteered to be the guinea pig in this experiment. As you quote.

But you chose not to have the vaccine.

Hmmmm

You can't compare testing to having the vaccine in this case, if he's testing at work as opposed to having the vaccine. "

Work actually asked for “Guinea pigs to trial the 2 day lateral flow testing”. I was the first to volunteer.

I’m proper anal about this COViD shit. It cost me my dream career. I stay safe, I’ve managed to avoid it despite my ex and our kids catching it and them spending time with me before becoming symptomatic.

I told you, I’m as safe as I could possibly be.

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By *irldnCouple
over a year ago

Brighton

"At the end of the day this is my decision. My body, it would be me that had to live with any long term side effects that haven’t been discovered yet.

So I choose to not take the vaccine. Pure and simple. Why are people telling me I have to? Do I tell you how to live your life?

I don’t leave my house except to go to work.

I hardly see any people even in work.

I’m a total recluse most of the time.

Anywhere I go I’m wearing a clean facemask.

I get tested twice a week in work. I volunteered to be the guinea pig in this experiment.

I’m doing everything in my power to protect myself SAFELY. I know and understand the risks. And I do everything I can to minimise them. But I won’t risk my long term health for anyone.

If you don’t like it, please, feel free to block me.

I volunteered to be the guinea pig in this experiment. As you quote.

But you chose not to have the vaccine.

Hmmmm "

YAWN

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By *rNaturistMan
over a year ago

Northants

Yeah YAWN...

people are funny.. realise they make mistakes on the thread and try and disguise it.

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By *rNaturistMan
over a year ago

Northants

47 to go

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By *ady LickWoman
over a year ago

Northampton Somewhere

"At the end of the day this is my decision. My body, it would be me that had to live with any long term side effects that haven’t been discovered yet.

So I choose to not take the vaccine. Pure and simple. Why are people telling me I have to? Do I tell you how to live your life?

I don’t leave my house except to go to work.

I hardly see any people even in work.

I’m a total recluse most of the time.

Anywhere I go I’m wearing a clean facemask.

I get tested twice a week in work. I volunteered to be the guinea pig in this experiment.

I’m doing everything in my power to protect myself SAFELY. I know and understand the risks. And I do everything I can to minimise them. But I won’t risk my long term health for anyone.

If you don’t like it, please, feel free to block me.

I volunteered to be the guinea pig in this experiment. As you quote.

But you chose not to have the vaccine.

Hmmmm

You can't compare testing to having the vaccine in this case, if he's testing at work as opposed to having the vaccine.

Work actually asked for “Guinea pigs to trial the 2 day lateral flow testing”. I was the first to volunteer.

I told you, I’m as safe as I could possibly be. "

Yes I get that, tell them /\/\

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By *irldnCouple
over a year ago

Brighton

"Yeah YAWN...

people are funny.. realise they make mistakes on the thread and try and disguise it.

What mistake

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By *rNaturistMan
over a year ago

Northants

"Yeah YAWN...

people are funny.. realise they make mistakes on the thread and try and disguise it.

What mistake"

Best to read top to bottom

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By *eeleyWoman
over a year ago

Dudley

"At the end of the day this is my decision. My body, it would be me that had to live with any long term side effects that haven’t been discovered yet.

So I choose to not take the vaccine. Pure and simple. Why are people telling me I have to? Do I tell you how to live your life?

I don’t leave my house except to go to work.

I hardly see any people even in work.

I’m a total recluse most of the time.

Anywhere I go I’m wearing a clean facemask.

I get tested twice a week in work. I volunteered to be the guinea pig in this experiment.

I’m doing everything in my power to protect myself SAFELY. I know and understand the risks. And I do everything I can to minimise them. But I won’t risk my long term health for anyone.

If you don’t like it, please, feel free to block me.

I volunteered to be the guinea pig in this experiment. As you quote.

But you chose not to have the vaccine.

Hmmmm

And I respect your decision to have the test. I just don’t want to risk it myself until there’s been a long term study "

Are you prepared to face restrictions until you get vaccinated? Just curious.

I've seen alot of people refuse the vaccine who then expect to run around doing whatever the hell they like with no concern for the people they could potentially impact.

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By *rNaturistMan
over a year ago

Northants

"At the end of the day this is my decision. My body, it would be me that had to live with any long term side effects that haven’t been discovered yet.

So I choose to not take the vaccine. Pure and simple. Why are people telling me I have to? Do I tell you how to live your life?

I don’t leave my house except to go to work.

I hardly see any people even in work.

I’m a total recluse most of the time.

Anywhere I go I’m wearing a clean facemask.

I get tested twice a week in work. I volunteered to be the guinea pig in this experiment.

I’m doing everything in my power to protect myself SAFELY. I know and understand the risks. And I do everything I can to minimise them. But I won’t risk my long term health for anyone.

If you don’t like it, please, feel free to block me.

I volunteered to be the guinea pig in this experiment. As you quote.

But you chose not to have the vaccine.

Hmmmm

And I respect your decision to have the test. I just don’t want to risk it myself until there’s been a long term study

Are you prepared to face restrictions until you get vaccinated? Just curious.

I've seen alot of people refuse the vaccine who then expect to run around doing whatever the hell they like with no concern for the people they could potentially impact. "

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By *nnie2009Couple
over a year ago

Blackpool

"To be honest like I've always said.

I hope it becomes mandatory for a condition of travel. Those who think covid is a myth would soon go running to get jabbed to go on holiday

"
well said

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I do wonder how many of those banging on about those refusing the vaccine actually know them.

If not it appears to be a collective case of shouting into the wind, along with a bit of virtue signaling thrown in."

I know a few who have refused it because of ‘spiritual’ reasons/think it’s poison ect.

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By *empsey and hotpiece OP Man
over a year ago

North west

"Apparently a term for those who refused the CV vaccine, (not for medical reasons) but are now enjoying more freedom with lock down restrictions.

Emerging evidence suggests that the low covid rates are connected with the vaccine, and one dose can more than half transmission rates.

It seems some people’s argument that the vaccine didn’t prevent infection or transmission, is slowly being discredited.

I just wonder if they will stick to their beliefs and not visit the pub or club.

Are you forgetting that there’s a lockdown in place and people are still social distancing?

The numbers are dropping but solely putting it down to vaccinations (which aren’t immunisations) is just stupid. "

No, not at all, why do you assume I’m putting reduced numbers down to vaccine alone?

The vaccine is another layer of defence against the virus, all the measures play their part, take one away and we have less defence.

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By *heNYCSausageMan
over a year ago

Everton

"At the end of the day this is my decision. My body, it would be me that had to live with any long term side effects that haven’t been discovered yet.

So I choose to not take the vaccine. Pure and simple. Why are people telling me I have to? Do I tell you how to live your life?

I don’t leave my house except to go to work.

I hardly see any people even in work.

I’m a total recluse most of the time.

Anywhere I go I’m wearing a clean facemask.

I get tested twice a week in work. I volunteered to be the guinea pig in this experiment.

I’m doing everything in my power to protect myself SAFELY. I know and understand the risks. And I do everything I can to minimise them. But I won’t risk my long term health for anyone.

If you don’t like it, please, feel free to block me.

I volunteered to be the guinea pig in this experiment. As you quote.

But you chose not to have the vaccine.

Hmmmm

And I respect your decision to have the test. I just don’t want to risk it myself until there’s been a long term study

Are you prepared to face restrictions until you get vaccinated? Just curious.

I've seen alot of people refuse the vaccine who then expect to run around doing whatever the hell they like with no concern for the people they could potentially impact. "

Yes. Give me restrictions. Don’t allow me to leave my home unless it’s for work or food shopping. I’m ok with that.

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By *rack and FieldMan
over a year ago

Doncaster

Thats not what the manufacturers state Im afraid

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"Thats not what the manufacturers state Im afraid

I thought big pharma were evil and couldn't be trusted.

Or is it that they're evil incarnate, except when they say stuff that sounds scary?

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By *rNaturistMan
over a year ago

Northants

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I do wonder how many of those banging on about those refusing the vaccine actually know them.

If not it appears to be a collective case of shouting into the wind, along with a bit of virtue signaling thrown in.

I know a few who have refused it because of ‘spiritual’ reasons/think it’s poison ect.

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mythic beliefs are quite common

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By *empsey and hotpiece OP Man
over a year ago

North west

"Thats not what the manufacturers state Im afraid

What isn’t what the manufacturers state?

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By *entlemanrogueMan
over a year ago

Motherwell

"Can't wait for post 175

one more poitnelss comment in the pile for you.

Why do you even look? if you want the thread to end, simply dont look.

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

Vaccination and immunisation. The vaccines, based on research, leads to good effective immunisation. Obviously all immunity is based on the strength of our immune system, however we acquired the immune response.

The main vaccines here appear to trigger great immune responses

. Others, in use elsewhere, may not be quite as good. Thankfully the MHRA works in the public interest for this.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

For this issue, and any other in life, ask yourself what you can do about it.

If the answer is nothing, don't let it bother you enough to complain about it on the Internet.

Have a shag instead.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Apparently a term for those who refused the CV vaccine, (not for medical reasons) but are now enjoying more freedom with lock down restrictions.

Emerging evidence suggests that the low covid rates are connected with the vaccine, and one dose can more than half transmission rates.

It seems some people’s argument that the vaccine didn’t prevent infection or transmission, is slowly being discredited.

You miss my point completely. I don’t care if the vaccine freeloaders enjoy a restriction free life, but it’s a little hypocritical to do so if they believed the vaccine was pointless."

Silly

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"For this issue, and any other in life, ask yourself what you can do about it.

If the answer is nothing, don't let it bother you enough to complain about it on the Internet.

Have a shag instead.

Can't. Pandemic

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By *alandNitaCouple
over a year ago

Scunthorpe

"For this issue, and any other in life, ask yourself what you can do about it.

If the answer is nothing, don't let it bother you enough to complain about it on the Internet.

Have a shag instead.

Can't. Pandemic"

What... no sex-bubble

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"For this issue, and any other in life, ask yourself what you can do about it.

If the answer is nothing, don't let it bother you enough to complain about it on the Internet.

Have a shag instead.

Can't. Pandemic

What... no sex-bubble

Nope. Not doing it.

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By *empsey and hotpiece OP Man
over a year ago

North west

Silly "

Why is it silly? Vaccine is another layer of defence against the virus, as is “hands ,face space”.

If you see someone not abiding by the HFS recommendations, do you think “selfish “? I know I do.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Silly

Why is it silly? Vaccine is another layer of defence against the virus, as is “hands ,face space”.

If you see someone not abiding by the HFS recommendations, do you think “selfish “? I know I do."

It’s not hypocritical if someone believes the vaccine is not for them, I think your too interested in what others do. HFS is much easier to abide by than taking a year studied vaccine for some. You call scared people selfish I think your just to inna people business

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By *rNaturistMan
over a year ago

Northants

YAWN

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By *hatawasteMan
over a year ago

stafford

"YAWN"

you be careful something doesn't fall in there!

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By *eeleyWoman
over a year ago

Dudley

Silly

Why is it silly? Vaccine is another layer of defence against the virus, as is “hands ,face space”.

If you see someone not abiding by the HFS recommendations, do you think “selfish “? I know I do.

Scared of what exactly?

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By *empsey and hotpiece OP Man
over a year ago

North west

Silly

Why is it silly? Vaccine is another layer of defence against the virus, as is “hands ,face space”.

If you see someone not abiding by the HFS recommendations, do you think “selfish “? I know I do.

You can twist it round however you like, fear of something isn’t a defence , and I’m not interested in people’s business, how do you come to that conclusion? They can do as they like.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Silly

Why is it silly? Vaccine is another layer of defence against the virus, as is “hands ,face space”.

If you see someone not abiding by the HFS recommendations, do you think “selfish “? I know I do.

You can twist it round however you like, fear of something isn’t a defence , and I’m not interested in people’s business, how do you come to that conclusion? They can do as they like. "

I know they can you just call them hypocrite for doing so

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Silly

Why is it silly? Vaccine is another layer of defence against the virus, as is “hands ,face space”.

If you see someone not abiding by the HFS recommendations, do you think “selfish “? I know I do.

Scared of what exactly? "

Various

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By *amish SMan
over a year ago

Eastleigh

People are charged in some cases to use the NHS, Irrespective of their ability to pay.

If some think they are doing enough to avoid catching covid but then decide against the vaccine when entitled, is not really 'doing enough' you will always be worrying about catching it. Irrespective of whether you give a toss whether you could die or not is selfish as you have no consideration of those that try and keep you alive or watch you die and then have to tell relatives. Personally, those that decide not to get vaccinated and die of covid are no great loss, its just their selfish attitudes against those that try and save them which grates.

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By *rNaturistMan
over a year ago

Northants

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By *heNYCSausageMan
over a year ago

Everton

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"People are charged in some cases to use the NHS, Irrespective of their ability to pay.

You’re a charmer aren’t you.

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By *eeleyWoman
over a year ago

Dudley

Silly

Why is it silly? Vaccine is another layer of defence against the virus, as is “hands ,face space”.

If you see someone not abiding by the HFS recommendations, do you think “selfish “? I know I do.

Scared of what exactly?

Various "

Elaborate please. Someone here may be able to help you overcome your fears.

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By *heNYCSausageMan
over a year ago

Everton

Silly

Why is it silly? Vaccine is another layer of defence against the virus, as is “hands ,face space”.

If you see someone not abiding by the HFS recommendations, do you think “selfish “? I know I do.

Scared of what exactly?

Various

Elaborate please. Someone here may be able to help you overcome your fears. "

If I may butt in and answer this.

No long term study. What happens if we’re having a yet unknown adverse reaction to the vaccine? Why would I risk my future health for something untested? It was rushed out and there’s usually a reason why vaccines take years for testing.

So I’ll keep myself safe for now, vaccine free, and inwas tested today, still COViD free

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By *rNaturistMan
over a year ago

Northants

Silly

Why is it silly? Vaccine is another layer of defence against the virus, as is “hands ,face space”.

If you see someone not abiding by the HFS recommendations, do you think “selfish “? I know I do.

Scared of what exactly?

Various

Elaborate please. Someone here may be able to help you overcome your fears.

If I may butt in and answer this.

So I’ll keep myself safe for now, vaccine free, and inwas tested today, still COViD free

That's right they jabbed how many millions not knowing anything and not testing.

The thoughts of some don't surprise me they don't understand the concept

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By *eeleyWoman
over a year ago

Dudley

Silly

Why is it silly? Vaccine is another layer of defence against the virus, as is “hands ,face space”.

If you see someone not abiding by the HFS recommendations, do you think “selfish “? I know I do.

Scared of what exactly?

Various

Elaborate please. Someone here may be able to help you overcome your fears.

If I may butt in and answer this.

So I’ll keep myself safe for now, vaccine free, and inwas tested today, still COViD free

1. It wasn't untested.

2. It wasn't rushed, they had already been studying coronaviruses for many years, because of the SARS and MERS outbreaks.

3. It passed every safety check required of any new medication.

4. The reason it was passed so quickly was because of the immediate need for it, that doesn't mean it is unsafe or dangerous.

5. Studies so far are showing a much greater benefit than first expected and the vaccines have been deemed as safe.

6. Having a vaccine isn't just about keeping yourself safe, it's about contributing to keeping everyone safe.

7. The benefits of the vaccine far outweigh the risks, not only to yourself, but to everyone else.

8. The vaccines are working, countries with a high vaccination rate are showing considerably less deaths and hospitalisations than those without high vaccination rates.

This is the most important point

9. You do not know more than the people who have been in the profession for decades, you do not know more than the people that tested the vaccine in order for it to be deemed safe, you also do not know more than the medical professionals that are begging people to have the vaccine after they have watched people die horrific deaths for the past year.

Would you go to your doctor about an illness then tell him he's wrong and refuse treatment? Even if he told you it's safe but has rare side effects?

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By *rNaturistMan
over a year ago

Northants

Silly

Why is it silly? Vaccine is another layer of defence against the virus, as is “hands ,face space”.

If you see someone not abiding by the HFS recommendations, do you think “selfish “? I know I do.

Scared of what exactly?

Various

Elaborate please. Someone here may be able to help you overcome your fears.

If I may butt in and answer this.

So I’ll keep myself safe for now, vaccine free, and inwas tested today, still COViD free

1. It wasn't untested.

2. It wasn't rushed, they had already been studying coronaviruses for many years, because of the SARS and MERS outbreaks.

3. It passed every safety check required of any new medication.

4. The reason it was passed so quickly was because of the immediate need for it, that doesn't mean it is unsafe or dangerous.

5. Studies so far are showing a much greater benefit than first expected and the vaccines have been deemed as safe.

6. Having a vaccine isn't just about keeping yourself safe, it's about contributing to keeping everyone safe.

7. The benefits of the vaccine far outweigh the risks, not only to yourself, but to everyone else.

8. The vaccines are working, countries with a high vaccination rate are showing considerably less deaths and hospitalisations than those without high vaccination rates.

This is the most important point

Would you go to your doctor about an illness then tell him he's wrong and refuse treatment? Even if he told you it's safe but has rare side effects? "

Well somebody told someone that Everton was worth following and they believed that at first

Doubled up on vaccine here. I don't want to knowingly contribute to my own downfall.

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By *heNYCSausageMan
over a year ago

Everton

Silly

Why is it silly? Vaccine is another layer of defence against the virus, as is “hands ,face space”.

If you see someone not abiding by the HFS recommendations, do you think “selfish “? I know I do.

Scared of what exactly?

Various

Elaborate please. Someone here may be able to help you overcome your fears.

If I may butt in and answer this.

So I’ll keep myself safe for now, vaccine free, and inwas tested today, still COViD free

1. It wasn't untested.

2. It wasn't rushed, they had already been studying coronaviruses for many years, because of the SARS and MERS outbreaks.

3. It passed every safety check required of any new medication.

4. The reason it was passed so quickly was because of the immediate need for it, that doesn't mean it is unsafe or dangerous.

5. Studies so far are showing a much greater benefit than first expected and the vaccines have been deemed as safe.

6. Having a vaccine isn't just about keeping yourself safe, it's about contributing to keeping everyone safe.

7. The benefits of the vaccine far outweigh the risks, not only to yourself, but to everyone else.

8. The vaccines are working, countries with a high vaccination rate are showing considerably less deaths and hospitalisations than those without high vaccination rates.

This is the most important point

Would you go to your doctor about an illness then tell him he's wrong and refuse treatment? Even if he told you it's safe but has rare side effects? "

I’m only going to reply to a few points you raised.

1: I didn’t say untested. I said there’s no study of long term side effects.

3: so did thalidomide

6: I keeping others safe by being antisocial. And when I’m in public I wear doubled up PPE. M

7. No long term studies for side effects not yet discovered. They’re discovering new benefits all the time. That comes with testing so why are they only coming to light now? How do you know that the next thing they discover about the vaccine is that it closes one of your heart valves down or makes it smaller or effects your lungs capacity. You don’t know cause there’s been no long term study. (I’m not saying that’s what will happen, just making a point)

8: those same countries have stricter social distance guidelines and lockdowns.

Still not convinced me to risk my long term health sorry x

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By *heNYCSausageMan
over a year ago

Everton

Well somebody told someone that Everton was worth following and they believed that at first

Low blow!!! Haha

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By *rNaturistMan
over a year ago

Northants

Silly

Why is it silly? Vaccine is another layer of defence against the virus, as is “hands ,face space”.

If you see someone not abiding by the HFS recommendations, do you think “selfish “? I know I do.

Scared of what exactly?

Various

Elaborate please. Someone here may be able to help you overcome your fears.

If I may butt in and answer this.

So I’ll keep myself safe for now, vaccine free, and inwas tested today, still COViD free

1. It wasn't untested.

2. It wasn't rushed, they had already been studying coronaviruses for many years, because of the SARS and MERS outbreaks.

3. It passed every safety check required of any new medication.

4. The reason it was passed so quickly was because of the immediate need for it, that doesn't mean it is unsafe or dangerous.

5. Studies so far are showing a much greater benefit than first expected and the vaccines have been deemed as safe.

6. Having a vaccine isn't just about keeping yourself safe, it's about contributing to keeping everyone safe.

7. The benefits of the vaccine far outweigh the risks, not only to yourself, but to everyone else.

8. The vaccines are working, countries with a high vaccination rate are showing considerably less deaths and hospitalisations than those without high vaccination rates.

This is the most important point

Would you go to your doctor about an illness then tell him he's wrong and refuse treatment? Even if he told you it's safe but has rare side effects?

I’m only going to reply to a few points you raised.

1: I didn’t say untested. I said there’s no study of long term side effects.

3: so did thalidomide

6: I keeping others safe by being antisocial. And when I’m in public I wear doubled up PPE. M

8: those same countries have stricter social distance guidelines and lockdowns.

Still not convinced me to risk my long term health sorry x"

Clearly stated untested

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By *heNYCSausageMan
over a year ago

Everton

Silly

Why is it silly? Vaccine is another layer of defence against the virus, as is “hands ,face space”.

If you see someone not abiding by the HFS recommendations, do you think “selfish “? I know I do.

Scared of what exactly?

Various

Elaborate please. Someone here may be able to help you overcome your fears.

If I may butt in and answer this.

So I’ll keep myself safe for now, vaccine free, and inwas tested today, still COViD free

1. It wasn't untested.

2. It wasn't rushed, they had already been studying coronaviruses for many years, because of the SARS and MERS outbreaks.

3. It passed every safety check required of any new medication.

4. The reason it was passed so quickly was because of the immediate need for it, that doesn't mean it is unsafe or dangerous.

5. Studies so far are showing a much greater benefit than first expected and the vaccines have been deemed as safe.

6. Having a vaccine isn't just about keeping yourself safe, it's about contributing to keeping everyone safe.

7. The benefits of the vaccine far outweigh the risks, not only to yourself, but to everyone else.

8. The vaccines are working, countries with a high vaccination rate are showing considerably less deaths and hospitalisations than those without high vaccination rates.

This is the most important point

Would you go to your doctor about an illness then tell him he's wrong and refuse treatment? Even if he told you it's safe but has rare side effects?

I’m only going to reply to a few points you raised.

1: I didn’t say untested. I said there’s no study of long term side effects.

3: so did thalidomide

6: I keeping others safe by being antisocial. And when I’m in public I wear doubled up PPE. M

8: those same countries have stricter social distance guidelines and lockdowns.

Still not convinced me to risk my long term health sorry x

Clearly stated untested "

From all that you could only find that fault? I misspoke. I mean “untested long term”

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By *rNaturistMan
over a year ago

Northants

Silly

Why is it silly? Vaccine is another layer of defence against the virus, as is “hands ,face space”.

If you see someone not abiding by the HFS recommendations, do you think “selfish “? I know I do.

Scared of what exactly?

Various

Elaborate please. Someone here may be able to help you overcome your fears.

If I may butt in and answer this.

So I’ll keep myself safe for now, vaccine free, and inwas tested today, still COViD free

1. It wasn't untested.

2. It wasn't rushed, they had already been studying coronaviruses for many years, because of the SARS and MERS outbreaks.

3. It passed every safety check required of any new medication.

4. The reason it was passed so quickly was because of the immediate need for it, that doesn't mean it is unsafe or dangerous.

5. Studies so far are showing a much greater benefit than first expected and the vaccines have been deemed as safe.

6. Having a vaccine isn't just about keeping yourself safe, it's about contributing to keeping everyone safe.

7. The benefits of the vaccine far outweigh the risks, not only to yourself, but to everyone else.

8. The vaccines are working, countries with a high vaccination rate are showing considerably less deaths and hospitalisations than those without high vaccination rates.

This is the most important point

Would you go to your doctor about an illness then tell him he's wrong and refuse treatment? Even if he told you it's safe but has rare side effects?

I’m only going to reply to a few points you raised.

1: I didn’t say untested. I said there’s no study of long term side effects.

3: so did thalidomide

6: I keeping others safe by being antisocial. And when I’m in public I wear doubled up PPE. M

8: those same countries have stricter social distance guidelines and lockdowns.

Still not convinced me to risk my long term health sorry x

Clearly stated untested

From all that you could only find that fault? I misspoke. I mean “untested long term”

No im sure there is more... i was reacting to the first point only.

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By *heNYCSausageMan
over a year ago

Everton

Silly

Why is it silly? Vaccine is another layer of defence against the virus, as is “hands ,face space”.

If you see someone not abiding by the HFS recommendations, do you think “selfish “? I know I do.

Scared of what exactly?

Various

Elaborate please. Someone here may be able to help you overcome your fears.

If I may butt in and answer this.

So I’ll keep myself safe for now, vaccine free, and inwas tested today, still COViD free

1. It wasn't untested.

2. It wasn't rushed, they had already been studying coronaviruses for many years, because of the SARS and MERS outbreaks.

3. It passed every safety check required of any new medication.

4. The reason it was passed so quickly was because of the immediate need for it, that doesn't mean it is unsafe or dangerous.

5. Studies so far are showing a much greater benefit than first expected and the vaccines have been deemed as safe.

6. Having a vaccine isn't just about keeping yourself safe, it's about contributing to keeping everyone safe.

7. The benefits of the vaccine far outweigh the risks, not only to yourself, but to everyone else.

8. The vaccines are working, countries with a high vaccination rate are showing considerably less deaths and hospitalisations than those without high vaccination rates.

This is the most important point

Would you go to your doctor about an illness then tell him he's wrong and refuse treatment? Even if he told you it's safe but has rare side effects?

I’m only going to reply to a few points you raised.

1: I didn’t say untested. I said there’s no study of long term side effects.

3: so did thalidomide

6: I keeping others safe by being antisocial. And when I’m in public I wear doubled up PPE. M

8: those same countries have stricter social distance guidelines and lockdowns.

Still not convinced me to risk my long term health sorry x

Clearly stated untested

From all that you could only find that fault? I misspoke. I mean “untested long term”

No im sure there is more... i was reacting to the first point only. "

I’ll wait. Going to make a cuppa. BRB

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By *rNaturistMan
over a year ago

Northants

Silly

Why is it silly? Vaccine is another layer of defence against the virus, as is “hands ,face space”.

If you see someone not abiding by the HFS recommendations, do you think “selfish “? I know I do.

Scared of what exactly?

Various

Elaborate please. Someone here may be able to help you overcome your fears.

If I may butt in and answer this.

So I’ll keep myself safe for now, vaccine free, and inwas tested today, still COViD free

1. It wasn't untested.

2. It wasn't rushed, they had already been studying coronaviruses for many years, because of the SARS and MERS outbreaks.

3. It passed every safety check required of any new medication.

4. The reason it was passed so quickly was because of the immediate need for it, that doesn't mean it is unsafe or dangerous.

5. Studies so far are showing a much greater benefit than first expected and the vaccines have been deemed as safe.

6. Having a vaccine isn't just about keeping yourself safe, it's about contributing to keeping everyone safe.

7. The benefits of the vaccine far outweigh the risks, not only to yourself, but to everyone else.

8. The vaccines are working, countries with a high vaccination rate are showing considerably less deaths and hospitalisations than those without high vaccination rates.

This is the most important point

Would you go to your doctor about an illness then tell him he's wrong and refuse treatment? Even if he told you it's safe but has rare side effects?

I’m only going to reply to a few points you raised.

1: I didn’t say untested. I said there’s no study of long term side effects.

3: so did thalidomide

6: I keeping others safe by being antisocial. And when I’m in public I wear doubled up PPE. M

8: those same countries have stricter social distance guidelines and lockdowns.

Still not convinced me to risk my long term health sorry x

Clearly stated untested

From all that you could only find that fault? I misspoke. I mean “untested long term”

No im sure there is more... i was reacting to the first point only.

I’ll wait. Going to make a cuppa. BRB

Well you will never get your answer as the thread is doneeeeee

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over a year ago

Northants

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