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"I didn't use the App to book my vaccination. My GP phoned me up. " Same here | |||
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"https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-nhs-app-to-be-used-as-covid-passport-for-international-travel-grant-shapps-confirms-12289071 "Going to be very interesting now to see how many of the 'shan' t' brigade now start to compromise on their thinking about vaccines .. I still think it would be better to have made it so people provide a negative test before boarding a flight or getting on a ship etc.. That's probably more effective? And less of a forcing people to do something they don't want to do approach.. Problem is now the seasides and campsites are going potentially going to be riddled with non vaccinated and tested people which people are also going to be worried about .. Exciting times ahead!  | |||
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"https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-nhs-app-to-be-used-as-covid-passport-for-international-travel-grant-shapps-confirms-12289071
Going to be very interesting now to see how many of the 'shan' t' brigade now start to compromise on their thinking about vaccines ..
I still think it would be better to have made it so people provide a negative test before boarding a flight or getting on a ship etc.. That's probably more effective? And less of a forcing people to do something they don't want to do approach..
Problem is now the seasides and campsites are going potentially going to be riddled with non vaccinated and tested people which people are also going to be worried about ..
Exciting times ahead! "They do require a negative PCR test before travel. | |||
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"https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-nhs-app-to-be-used-as-covid-passport-for-international-travel-grant-shapps-confirms-12289071 "I thought that scabby little appointment card we were given at the vaccine centre was our "passport"? | |||
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I thought that scabby little appointment card we were given at the vaccine centre was our "passport"? "I think only the deniers were suggesting something so stupid. Herp derp easily forgeable, vaxxers are stupid, can't make me. | |||
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I thought that scabby little appointment card we were given at the vaccine centre was our "passport"?
I think only the deniers were suggesting something so stupid.
Herp derp easily forgeable, vaxxers are stupid, can't make me."Will children be able to travel? | |||
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"https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-nhs-app-to-be-used-as-covid-passport-for-international-travel-grant-shapps-confirms-12289071
I thought that scabby little appointment card we were given at the vaccine centre was our "passport"?
I think only the deniers were suggesting something so stupid.
Herp derp easily forgeable, vaxxers are stupid, can't make me.
Will children be able to travel?"Not a clue. Ask the countries where they're looking for a passport. All I'm saying is that the straw man of "easily forgeable piece of paper" has been laughable all along (and I'd love to see them try  ) | |||
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"The NHS digital app is for England only. How will it work for the rest Scotland Wales and NI?" I guess the one thing all countries will have to get right is an agreement for how this works.. Logically I would say all UK countries will have to adopt the same system whichever one that will be... And that same system will ultimately become one used across the whole world one day. | |||
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"The NHS digital app is for England only. How will it work for the rest Scotland Wales and NI? I guess the one thing all countries will have to get right is an agreement for how this works.. Logically I would say all UK countries will have to adopt the same system whichever one that will be... And that same system will ultimately become one used across the whole world one day. " That'll be Google then. | |||
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"The NHS digital app is for England only. How will it work for the rest Scotland Wales and NI? I guess the one thing all countries will have to get right is an agreement for how this works.. Logically I would say all UK countries will have to adopt the same system whichever one that will be... And that same system will ultimately become one used across the whole world one day. " Yes. My guess would be that it's in the works. What I do know is that the idea that it's that piece of paper is... daft and always was. Just because people want it to fail, doesn't mean that governments everywhere are that stupid. | |||
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"What about people without smartphones?" This is a more important question. Many older folk, who've had two vaccines, do not have smartphones! | |||
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"What about people without smartphones? This is a more important question. Many older folk, who've had two vaccines, do not have smartphones!"  | |||
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"I've been locked out of my nhs app for ages. I had to change my phone number due to a stalker and it wont allow me to use it without a text sent to that number. " I'd delete the app and then re register using your new number.. Might work? | |||
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"I've been locked out of my nhs app for ages. I had to change my phone number due to a stalker and it wont allow me to use it without a text sent to that number. I'd delete the app and then re register using your new number.. Might work? " cant as its linked to my nhs number x the doctors has my correct number.. I messaged them. They are supposed to be sorting it out x | |||
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"What about people without smartphones? This is a more important question. Many older folk, who've had two vaccines, do not have smartphones!" It's a valid question but (subject to a little research) more than likely an edge case which can have an exception process. Smart phones are pretty much ubiquitous in the demographic that will need a vaccine passport. How many of those without a smartphone are going to need a vaccine passport? I'm sure we can manage a work around for that... Or if phones are stolen... Or misused... Or out of charge... Or broken... Or god forbid the tech doesn't work... | |||
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"The NHS digital app is for England only. How will it work for the rest Scotland Wales and NI?" I think you can still travel to these places without a passport... for now. Cal | |||
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"Government sources clarified it would not be the NHS COVID app - currently used to "check in" to venues such as pubs and restaurants for contact-tracing purposes - but would instead be the NHS app used to book general appointments." That I can never access. I stopped using it because it wouldn't let me log on. | |||
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"What about people without smartphones? This is a more important question. Many older folk, who've had two vaccines, do not have smartphones!" Would an old person without a smartphone be the type to go jetting around the world though?  | |||
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"https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-nhs-app-to-be-used-as-covid-passport-for-international-travel-grant-shapps-confirms-12289071
I thought that scabby little appointment card we were given at the vaccine centre was our "passport"? "You mean the ones that have been selling on ebay for ridiculous prices? Easily forged. We have to lock ours in a safe at night at the vaccination centre as we've had attempted break-ins | |||
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"What about people without smartphones? This is a more important question. Many older folk, who've had two vaccines, do not have smartphones! It's a valid question but (subject to a little research) more than likely an edge case which can have an exception process. Smart phones are pretty much ubiquitous in the demographic that will need a vaccine passport. How many of those without a smartphone are going to need a vaccine passport? I'm sure we can manage a work around for that... Or if phones are stolen... Or misused... Or out of charge... Or broken... Or god forbid the tech doesn't work... " I know for a fact my 81yo father wants to travel to Spain when he can. He does have a phone but he hasn't got a clue how to use it or download apps. Lots of older people want to go on holiday, on cruises with Saga etc and will need to prove their vaccine status but may not have or know how to use smartphones. | |||
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"What about people without smartphones? This is a more important question. Many older folk, who've had two vaccines, do not have smartphones! Would an old person without a smartphone be the type to go jetting around the world though? "My Grandad carried on travelling into his 80s but never had a mobile phone at all. So yes... | |||
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"What about people without smartphones? This is a more important question. Many older folk, who've had two vaccines, do not have smartphones! It's a valid question but (subject to a little research) more than likely an edge case which can have an exception process. Smart phones are pretty much ubiquitous in the demographic that will need a vaccine passport. How many of those without a smartphone are going to need a vaccine passport? I'm sure we can manage a work around for that... Or if phones are stolen... Or misused... Or out of charge... Or broken... Or god forbid the tech doesn't work... I know for a fact my 81yo father wants to travel to Spain when he can. He does have a phone but he hasn't got a clue how to use it or download apps. Lots of older people want to go on holiday, on cruises with Saga etc and will need to prove their vaccine status but may not have or know how to use smartphones." I'd dispute the "lots of" folks without smartphones, but in any case they will have to have to work around for the few situations like the above. Maybe they will have a proxy.. Just like we used to with passports for children.? | |||
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I thought that scabby little appointment card we were given at the vaccine centre was our "passport"?
You mean the ones that have been selling on ebay for ridiculous prices? Easily forged. We have to lock ours in a safe at night at the vaccination centre as we've had attempted break-ins"I was told mine was a fake the other day as it was handwritten not a sticker.  | |||
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"What about people without smartphones? This is a more important question. Many older folk, who've had two vaccines, do not have smartphones!" A Smart enough phone cost less than a fit to fly pcr test | |||
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"What about people without smartphones?" Yes. I wonder the same too, not everyone have it. I dont think that they have thought this one through. | |||
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"What about people without smartphones? This is a more important question. Many older folk, who've had two vaccines, do not have smartphones! A Smart enough phone cost less than a fit to fly pcr test "My Dad has one but he can't bloody well use it!! | |||
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"https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-nhs-app-to-be-used-as-covid-passport-for-international-travel-grant-shapps-confirms-12289071
I thought that scabby little appointment card we were given at the vaccine centre was our "passport"?
You mean the ones that have been selling on ebay for ridiculous prices? Easily forged. We have to lock ours in a safe at night at the vaccination centre as we've had attempted break-ins I was told mine was a fake the other day as it was handwritten not a sticker. "Every single vaccine card we have given in the clinics are handwritten. We don't have the facility to print labels. | |||
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I thought that scabby little appointment card we were given at the vaccine centre was our "passport"?
You mean the ones that have been selling on ebay for ridiculous prices? Easily forged. We have to lock ours in a safe at night at the vaccination centre as we've had attempted break-ins I was told mine was a fake the other day as it was handwritten not a sticker.
Every single vaccine card we have given in the clinics are handwritten. We don't have the facility to print labels."I know. But the clinic I'm mainly covering has stickers | |||
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"Health/vaccine passports are a forerunner to full digital IDs, CBDCs, and personalised ESG scores. If you don’t know what any of those are, how they relate, and their implications, I suggest you do some investigating." Lol ok. I'm sure it's terrifying and hilarious | |||
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"Health/vaccine passports are a forerunner to full digital IDs, CBDCs, and personalised ESG scores. If you don’t know what any of those are, how they relate, and their implications, I suggest you do some investigating. Lol ok. I'm sure it's terrifying and hilarious" Are you 77th brigade by any chance??  | |||
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"Health/vaccine passports are a forerunner to full digital IDs, CBDCs, and personalised ESG scores. If you don’t know what any of those are, how they relate, and their implications, I suggest you do some investigating. Lol ok. I'm sure it's terrifying and hilarious Are you 77th brigade by any chance?? "I have no idea what this means and I don't care | |||
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"The NHS digital app is for England only. How will it work for the rest Scotland Wales and NI? I guess the one thing all countries will have to get right is an agreement for how this works.. Logically I would say all UK countries will have to adopt the same system whichever one that will be... And that same system will ultimately become one used across the whole world one day. " I think that the one certainty we can have is that whatever the system ends up being worldwide, it's not going to anything invented by this government  | |||
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"The NHS digital app is for England only. How will it work for the rest Scotland Wales and NI? I guess the one thing all countries will have to get right is an agreement for how this works.. Logically I would say all UK countries will have to adopt the same system whichever one that will be... And that same system will ultimately become one used across the whole world one day. I think that the one certainty we can have is that whatever the system ends up being worldwide, it's not going to anything invented by this government "Will it be Bill Gates? And lizards? Let there be lizards  | |||
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"What about people without smartphones?" It's not really a valid argument given most people do have them in one form or another. Arguably there is a situation developing now where people who won't have suitable hand tech will end up being excluded not just from holidays but also things like banking etc. This is what we have mapped out for our future. Technological advancement is something everyone needs to try and keep up with or they will suffer .. the world is not a ' fair' / ' everyone wins' as everyone portrays it to be and the truth is whether anyone likes it or not with things like this ' you snooze you lose' .. | |||
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"https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-nhs-app-to-be-used-as-covid-passport-for-international-travel-grant-shapps-confirms-12289071
Going to be very interesting now to see how many of the 'shan' t' brigade now start to compromise on their thinking about vaccines ..
I still think it would be better to have made it so people provide a negative test before boarding a flight or getting on a ship etc.. That's probably more effective? And less of a forcing people to do something they don't want to do approach..
Problem is now the seasides and campsites are going potentially going to be riddled with non vaccinated and tested people which people are also going to be worried about ..
Exciting times ahead! "Travellers to overseas will still likely be subject to having had negative tests before their outbound and return flights, even if they have received 2 vaccine shots, ss well as meeting the criteria set by any foreign government. The app could be used to hold the test results, as well as vaccine status. | |||
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"Government sources clarified it would not be the NHS COVID app - currently used to "check in" to venues such as pubs and restaurants for contact-tracing purposes - but would instead be the NHS app used to book general appointments. That I can never access. I stopped using it because it wouldn't let me log on. " I've had my GPs deregister and register me, each time that I've had similar issues. | |||
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"What about people without smartphones? It's not really a valid argument given most people do have them in one form or another. Arguably there is a situation developing now where people who won't have suitable hand tech will end up being excluded not just from holidays but also things like banking etc. This is what we have mapped out for our future. Technological advancement is something everyone needs to try and keep up with or they will suffer .. the world is not a ' fair' / ' everyone wins' as everyone portrays it to be and the truth is whether anyone likes it or not with things like this ' you snooze you lose' .. " I have two staff members who don't own any kind of mobile phone, one of whom doesn't have home internet either. He's teaching on a device supplied by the college and with a 4G dongle we supplied. The data I can find from 2020 suggests about 82% of the UK population owns a smartphone. That's still 18% who don't have one. Also many older people may have them, but they don't know how to use them properly and might not be able to retain the instructions. My Dad falls into this category - Samsung smartphone owner, increasingly unable to even send texts and certainly doesn't know how to download apps or link to his NHS records. At a flight gate or train station, he'd have no idea how to use his phone to scan a QR code etc. We can't exclude 18% of the population, plus those who are unable to use the devices. And by the way, I'm all in favour of having to prove immune status somehow, but it has to be inclusive. | |||
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"The NHS digital app is for England only. How will it work for the rest Scotland Wales and NI? I guess the one thing all countries will have to get right is an agreement for how this works.. Logically I would say all UK countries will have to adopt the same system whichever one that will be... And that same system will ultimately become one used across the whole world one day. I think that the one certainty we can have is that whatever the system ends up being worldwide, it's not going to anything invented by this government "There will be a system invented by this government, have billions spent on it... then abandoned in favour of something else entirely | |||
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"Health/vaccine passports are a forerunner to full digital IDs, CBDCs, and personalised ESG scores. If you don’t know what any of those are, how they relate, and their implications, I suggest you do some investigating." I'm really disappointed. It's already Wednesday and for my Forum Bingo Card, I would have had a full house, if you'd just added 1 more conspiracy term on your list  .
If someone has some sympathy with a poor student, this will give me a COMPLETE first 4 months of the year run of Full House Bingo, perhaps you'll add sufficient conspiracy words into the post please?  | |||
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"What about people without smartphones? It's not really a valid argument given most people do have them in one form or another. Arguably there is a situation developing now where people who won't have suitable hand tech will end up being excluded not just from holidays but also things like banking etc. This is what we have mapped out for our future. Technological advancement is something everyone needs to try and keep up with or they will suffer .. the world is not a ' fair' / ' everyone wins' as everyone portrays it to be and the truth is whether anyone likes it or not with things like this ' you snooze you lose' .. I have two staff members who don't own any kind of mobile phone, one of whom doesn't have home internet either. He's teaching on a device supplied by the college and with a 4G dongle we supplied. The data I can find from 2020 suggests about 82% of the UK population owns a smartphone. That's still 18% who don't have one. Also many older people may have them, but they don't know how to use them properly and might not be able to retain the instructions. My Dad falls into this category - Samsung smartphone owner, increasingly unable to even send texts and certainly doesn't know how to download apps or link to his NHS records. At a flight gate or train station, he'd have no idea how to use his phone to scan a QR code etc. We can't exclude 18% of the population, plus those who are unable to use the devices. And by the way, I'm all in favour of having to prove immune status somehow, but it has to be inclusive." Sory but I really don't agree .. the continued need for everyone and anyone to be ' included' for fear of missing out is wholly wrong .. let me put it to you this way .. if .. and it is very likely this is going to happen .. banking can only be done online on smartphones in the future and without it you can't pay bills or get paid a salary or benefit, etc .. what then? will all that '18%' you refer to still expect the government to maintain computer or mechanical antiquated systems at the taxpayer's ( my ) expense? I say no that's not fair! Why should we have to cater to a few people who won't pay £10 for a mobile phone or refuse to use the technology? Surely that's a waste of money and it will also jam up any ideas or initiatives people have to improve our daily lives .. This is what happened years ago when banks brought out ATM cards .. staff had to be on hand to train some people how to use them and eventually everyone now uses them or buys online .. the point being you embrace technology not run from it or there's no point developing it in the first place is there ? | |||
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"What about people without smartphones? It's not really a valid argument given most people do have them in one form or another. Arguably there is a situation developing now where people who won't have suitable hand tech will end up being excluded not just from holidays but also things like banking etc. This is what we have mapped out for our future. Technological advancement is something everyone needs to try and keep up with or they will suffer .. the world is not a ' fair' / ' everyone wins' as everyone portrays it to be and the truth is whether anyone likes it or not with things like this ' you snooze you lose' .. I have two staff members who don't own any kind of mobile phone, one of whom doesn't have home internet either. He's teaching on a device supplied by the college and with a 4G dongle we supplied. The data I can find from 2020 suggests about 82% of the UK population owns a smartphone. That's still 18% who don't have one. Also many older people may have them, but they don't know how to use them properly and might not be able to retain the instructions. My Dad falls into this category - Samsung smartphone owner, increasingly unable to even send texts and certainly doesn't know how to download apps or link to his NHS records. At a flight gate or train station, he'd have no idea how to use his phone to scan a QR code etc. We can't exclude 18% of the population, plus those who are unable to use the devices. And by the way, I'm all in favour of having to prove immune status somehow, but it has to be inclusive. Sory but I really don't agree .. the continued need for everyone and anyone to be ' included' for fear of missing out is wholly wrong .. let me put it to you this way .. if .. and it is very likely this is going to happen .. banking can only be done online on smartphones in the future and without it you can't pay bills or get paid a salary or benefit, etc .. what then? will all that '18%' you refer to still expect the government to maintain computer or mechanical antiquated systems at the taxpayer's ( my ) expense? I say no that's not fair! Why should we have to cater to a few people who won't pay £10 for a mobile phone or refuse to use the technology? Surely that's a waste of money and it will also jam up any ideas or initiatives people have to improve our daily lives .. This is what happened years ago when banks brought out ATM cards .. staff had to be on hand to train some people how to use them and eventually everyone now uses them or buys online .. the point being you embrace technology not run from it or there's no point developing it in the first place is there ?" There will definitely be some officials who will try to spin it that way, as if it's the fault of the victims who are responsible for the government taking inappropriate decisions that weren't inclusive enough. | |||
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"What about people without smartphones? It's not really a valid argument given most people do have them in one form or another. Arguably there is a situation developing now where people who won't have suitable hand tech will end up being excluded not just from holidays but also things like banking etc. This is what we have mapped out for our future. Technological advancement is something everyone needs to try and keep up with or they will suffer .. the world is not a ' fair' / ' everyone wins' as everyone portrays it to be and the truth is whether anyone likes it or not with things like this ' you snooze you lose' .. I have two staff members who don't own any kind of mobile phone, one of whom doesn't have home internet either. He's teaching on a device supplied by the college and with a 4G dongle we supplied. The data I can find from 2020 suggests about 82% of the UK population owns a smartphone. That's still 18% who don't have one. Also many older people may have them, but they don't know how to use them properly and might not be able to retain the instructions. My Dad falls into this category - Samsung smartphone owner, increasingly unable to even send texts and certainly doesn't know how to download apps or link to his NHS records. At a flight gate or train station, he'd have no idea how to use his phone to scan a QR code etc. We can't exclude 18% of the population, plus those who are unable to use the devices. And by the way, I'm all in favour of having to prove immune status somehow, but it has to be inclusive. Sory but I really don't agree .. the continued need for everyone and anyone to be ' included' for fear of missing out is wholly wrong .. let me put it to you this way .. if .. and it is very likely this is going to happen .. banking can only be done online on smartphones in the future and without it you can't pay bills or get paid a salary or benefit, etc .. what then? will all that '18%' you refer to still expect the government to maintain computer or mechanical antiquated systems at the taxpayer's ( my ) expense? I say no that's not fair! Why should we have to cater to a few people who won't pay £10 for a mobile phone or refuse to use the technology? Surely that's a waste of money and it will also jam up any ideas or initiatives people have to improve our daily lives .. This is what happened years ago when banks brought out ATM cards .. staff had to be on hand to train some people how to use them and eventually everyone now uses them or buys online .. the point being you embrace technology not run from it or there's no point developing it in the first place is there ?" I'm currently having to spend a disproportionate amount of my time driving between my Dad's house and mine (1hr each way) because he can't cope with managing his finances online. I don't have PoA for finance so all I can do to assist him is physically be with him. He's still able to go into a branch, but they're all closing or require appointments to be pre booked. You book them...... online! Plenty of elderly and disabled people cannot use the smartphone or internet technology unfortunately, and there's no alternative at the moment in many cases. I'm disabled myself, so actually I find it incredibly difficult to keep driving to my Dad's to get him out of another financial pickle because he's forgotten how to log in to the internet banking, locked himself out and missed paying bills etc. | |||
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"What about people without smartphones? It's not really a valid argument given most people do have them in one form or another. Arguably there is a situation developing now where people who won't have suitable hand tech will end up being excluded not just from holidays but also things like banking etc. This is what we have mapped out for our future. Technological advancement is something everyone needs to try and keep up with or they will suffer .. the world is not a ' fair' / ' everyone wins' as everyone portrays it to be and the truth is whether anyone likes it or not with things like this ' you snooze you lose' .. I have two staff members who don't own any kind of mobile phone, one of whom doesn't have home internet either. He's teaching on a device supplied by the college and with a 4G dongle we supplied. The data I can find from 2020 suggests about 82% of the UK population owns a smartphone. That's still 18% who don't have one. Also many older people may have them, but they don't know how to use them properly and might not be able to retain the instructions. My Dad falls into this category - Samsung smartphone owner, increasingly unable to even send texts and certainly doesn't know how to download apps or link to his NHS records. At a flight gate or train station, he'd have no idea how to use his phone to scan a QR code etc. We can't exclude 18% of the population, plus those who are unable to use the devices. And by the way, I'm all in favour of having to prove immune status somehow, but it has to be inclusive. Sory but I really don't agree .. the continued need for everyone and anyone to be ' included' for fear of missing out is wholly wrong .. let me put it to you this way .. if .. and it is very likely this is going to happen .. banking can only be done online on smartphones in the future and without it you can't pay bills or get paid a salary or benefit, etc .. what then? will all that '18%' you refer to still expect the government to maintain computer or mechanical antiquated systems at the taxpayer's ( my ) expense? I say no that's not fair! Why should we have to cater to a few people who won't pay £10 for a mobile phone or refuse to use the technology? Surely that's a waste of money and it will also jam up any ideas or initiatives people have to improve our daily lives .. This is what happened years ago when banks brought out ATM cards .. staff had to be on hand to train some people how to use them and eventually everyone now uses them or buys online .. the point being you embrace technology not run from it or there's no point developing it in the first place is there ? I'm currently having to spend a disproportionate amount of my time driving between my Dad's house and mine (1hr each way) because he can't cope with managing his finances online. I don't have PoA for finance so all I can do to assist him is physically be with him. He's still able to go into a branch, but they're all closing or require appointments to be pre booked. You book them...... online! Plenty of elderly and disabled people cannot use the smartphone or internet technology unfortunately, and there's no alternative at the moment in many cases. I'm disabled myself, so actually I find it incredibly difficult to keep driving to my Dad's to get him out of another financial pickle because he's forgotten how to log in to the internet banking, locked himself out and missed paying bills etc." isn't this a fantastic opportunity for someone? support for the ' silver albeit reluctant sometimes surfers out there .. someone who is paid by the state to support people with the use of technology .. of course, the big issue is trust with details, finances, etc which is why usually family members end up doing it .. but if there was a way it would create a great little business for someone don't you think? I am sure something like this is going to exist very soon if it's not there already .. best of luck with your current situation and travel etc | |||
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"What about people without smartphones? It's not really a valid argument given most people do have them in one form or another. Arguably there is a situation developing now where people who won't have suitable hand tech will end up being excluded not just from holidays but also things like banking etc. This is what we have mapped out for our future. Technological advancement is something everyone needs to try and keep up with or they will suffer .. the world is not a ' fair' / ' everyone wins' as everyone portrays it to be and the truth is whether anyone likes it or not with things like this ' you snooze you lose' .. I have two staff members who don't own any kind of mobile phone, one of whom doesn't have home internet either. He's teaching on a device supplied by the college and with a 4G dongle we supplied. The data I can find from 2020 suggests about 82% of the UK population owns a smartphone. That's still 18% who don't have one. Also many older people may have them, but they don't know how to use them properly and might not be able to retain the instructions. My Dad falls into this category - Samsung smartphone owner, increasingly unable to even send texts and certainly doesn't know how to download apps or link to his NHS records. At a flight gate or train station, he'd have no idea how to use his phone to scan a QR code etc. We can't exclude 18% of the population, plus those who are unable to use the devices. And by the way, I'm all in favour of having to prove immune status somehow, but it has to be inclusive. Sory but I really don't agree .. the continued need for everyone and anyone to be ' included' for fear of missing out is wholly wrong .. let me put it to you this way .. if .. and it is very likely this is going to happen .. banking can only be done online on smartphones in the future and without it you can't pay bills or get paid a salary or benefit, etc .. what then? will all that '18%' you refer to still expect the government to maintain computer or mechanical antiquated systems at the taxpayer's ( my ) expense? I say no that's not fair! Why should we have to cater to a few people who won't pay £10 for a mobile phone or refuse to use the technology? Surely that's a waste of money and it will also jam up any ideas or initiatives people have to improve our daily lives .. This is what happened years ago when banks brought out ATM cards .. staff had to be on hand to train some people how to use them and eventually everyone now uses them or buys online .. the point being you embrace technology not run from it or there's no point developing it in the first place is there ? There will definitely be some officials who will try to spin it that way, as if it's the fault of the victims who are responsible for the government taking inappropriate decisions that weren't inclusive enough. " You could argue a system of support and training for the people who were/ are struggling would then make it inclusive again though? Just because you cant use something doesn't mean you cant have it right? | |||
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"What about people without smartphones? It's not really a valid argument given most people do have them in one form or another. Arguably there is a situation developing now where people who won't have suitable hand tech will end up being excluded not just from holidays but also things like banking etc. This is what we have mapped out for our future. Technological advancement is something everyone needs to try and keep up with or they will suffer .. the world is not a ' fair' / ' everyone wins' as everyone portrays it to be and the truth is whether anyone likes it or not with things like this ' you snooze you lose' .. I have two staff members who don't own any kind of mobile phone, one of whom doesn't have home internet either. He's teaching on a device supplied by the college and with a 4G dongle we supplied. The data I can find from 2020 suggests about 82% of the UK population owns a smartphone. That's still 18% who don't have one. Also many older people may have them, but they don't know how to use them properly and might not be able to retain the instructions. My Dad falls into this category - Samsung smartphone owner, increasingly unable to even send texts and certainly doesn't know how to download apps or link to his NHS records. At a flight gate or train station, he'd have no idea how to use his phone to scan a QR code etc. We can't exclude 18% of the population, plus those who are unable to use the devices. And by the way, I'm all in favour of having to prove immune status somehow, but it has to be inclusive. Sory but I really don't agree .. the continued need for everyone and anyone to be ' included' for fear of missing out is wholly wrong .. let me put it to you this way .. if .. and it is very likely this is going to happen .. banking can only be done online on smartphones in the future and without it you can't pay bills or get paid a salary or benefit, etc .. what then? will all that '18%' you refer to still expect the government to maintain computer or mechanical antiquated systems at the taxpayer's ( my ) expense? I say no that's not fair! Why should we have to cater to a few people who won't pay £10 for a mobile phone or refuse to use the technology? Surely that's a waste of money and it will also jam up any ideas or initiatives people have to improve our daily lives .. This is what happened years ago when banks brought out ATM cards .. staff had to be on hand to train some people how to use them and eventually everyone now uses them or buys online .. the point being you embrace technology not run from it or there's no point developing it in the first place is there ? I'm currently having to spend a disproportionate amount of my time driving between my Dad's house and mine (1hr each way) because he can't cope with managing his finances online. I don't have PoA for finance so all I can do to assist him is physically be with him. He's still able to go into a branch, but they're all closing or require appointments to be pre booked. You book them...... online! Plenty of elderly and disabled people cannot use the smartphone or internet technology unfortunately, and there's no alternative at the moment in many cases. I'm disabled myself, so actually I find it incredibly difficult to keep driving to my Dad's to get him out of another financial pickle because he's forgotten how to log in to the internet banking, locked himself out and missed paying bills etc. isn't this a fantastic opportunity for someone? support for the ' silver albeit reluctant sometimes surfers out there .. someone who is paid by the state to support people with the use of technology .. of course, the big issue is trust with details, finances, etc which is why usually family members end up doing it .. but if there was a way it would create a great little business for someone don't you think? I am sure something like this is going to exist very soon if it's not there already .. best of luck with your current situation and travel etc " There may be an opportunity there but we should not be putting the cart before the horse, as they say. We must decide on approximate investment and service development based on needs and the reality of today, rather than what might magically happen, if the 'inconvenience' of reality didn't exist. | |||
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" isn't this a fantastic opportunity for someone? support for the ' silver albeit reluctant sometimes surfers out there .. someone who is paid by the state to support people with the use of technology .. of course, the big issue is trust with details, finances, etc which is why usually family members end up doing it .. but if there was a way it would create a great little business for someone don't you think? I am sure something like this is going to exist very soon if it's not there already .. best of luck with your current situation and travel etc " My Dad has dementia. No amount of silver surfer coaching will enable him to retain the information. He used to be fine using a smartphone and the internet. He was an early and enthusiastic adopter of new technologies throughout the 90s and 2000s but his working memory is probably only things over 15-20yrs now. He answered "no" to the question "do you have any joint replacements" the other week. He had a knee replacement in 2008, so actually I think it's more than 20yrs now. Basically, he forgets what has been said immediately afterwards. I just spent 5 days supervising him before a medical test because he had to follow a special diet but couldn't remember not to eat brown bread 5mins after I'd said it. He knows how to make toast, but only in the way he's done all his life. Managing my Dad's finances and health online is incredibly hard. Medical apps don't allow multiple users so the patient has the log on and people with PoA have to use the same one, but if the elderly person keeps pressing buttons in your absence and locks the log on, no-one can do anything. If you've got a cure for dementia, you'd be onto a winner | |||
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"What about people without smartphones?Yes. I wonder the same too, not everyone have it. I dont think that they have thought this one through." I also wonder what they do if a person cant afford to get one, who want to go on holiday? Will they be given one free as well? | |||
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"What about people without smartphones?Yes. I wonder the same too, not everyone have it. I dont think that they have thought this one through.I also wonder what they do if a person cant afford to get one, who want to go on holiday? Will they be given one free as well?" Is their driving license free?or Passport free? | |||
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"Can someone tell me where to find the vaccine info in the app? I can’t see mine. " It will most likely come live once they have sorted the detail. | |||
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"What about people without smartphones?Yes. I wonder the same too, not everyone have it. I dont think that they have thought this one through.I also wonder what they do if a person cant afford to get one, who want to go on holiday? Will they be given one free as well?" The government should provide a suitable free of charge alternative, for those without access to the app, including for reasons such as disability. They obviously need to communicate very quickly with governments abroad, to enable this with sufficient time for negotiation as well as development, plus briefing to the public. It was stated yesterday by government that they were looking forward to starting the discussions with foreign governments . Nothing like managing things well, is there? | |||
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"Can someone tell me where to find the vaccine info in the app? I can’t see mine. It will most likely come live once they have sorted the detail." I had my first vaccine in feb. I’m surprised it’s not in there already. | |||
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"What about people without smartphones?Yes. I wonder the same too, not everyone have it. I dont think that they have thought this one through.I also wonder what they do if a person cant afford to get one, who want to go on holiday? Will they be given one free as well? The government should provide a suitable free of charge alternative, for those without access to the app, including for reasons such as disability. They obviously need to communicate very quickly with governments abroad, to enable this with sufficient time for negotiation as well as development, plus briefing to the public. It was stated yesterday by government that they were looking forward to starting the discussions with foreign governments . Nothing like managing things well, is there? "Yes, you are right there, it doesnt go so well, as there seems to be more questions than answers there. | |||
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"What about people without smartphones?Yes. I wonder the same too, not everyone have it. I dont think that they have thought this one through.I also wonder what they do if a person cant afford to get one, who want to go on holiday? Will they be given one free as well?" Free holiday? Where do I sign | |||
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"What about people without smartphones?Yes. I wonder the same too, not everyone have it. I dont think that they have thought this one through.I also wonder what they do if a person cant afford to get one, who want to go on holiday? Will they be given one free as well? Free holiday? Where do I sign "That would be good, but no. I meant if they would get a free iphone from the government there. | |||
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"My GP surgery have never suggested we use an NHS app. We can't presently book appointments online at all - we have SystmOnline but they disabled the online booking thing last March and never reopened it. Our surgery put out on social media that we should book appointments by filling in a form on their website or by phoning (which is next to impossible to get through on). My Covid vaccine was arranged by text message..." My practice sent out a text message to contact them then didn't answer the phone for 2 days. It took me a week to get to book a slot. Total crap. Wife gets a message, with a link for a booking. All done in 10 mins. Some Docs have got it right and some have been hopeless | |||
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"That's' because they haven't yet put it into the app." They haven't put anything into the app! Others on here say they can see their medical records, book appointments etc but none of that is available for my practice. The same as SystmOnline which is now just a glorified prescription ordering website. Basically my surgery offers zero digital tools to manage your health/appointments. | |||
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"That's' because they haven't yet put it into the app. They haven't put anything into the app! Others on here say they can see their medical records, book appointments etc but none of that is available for my practice. The same as SystmOnline which is now just a glorified prescription ordering website. Basically my surgery offers zero digital tools to manage your health/appointments." Again. That's because they haven't ****yet**** put it into the app. | |||
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"That's' because they haven't yet put it into the app. They haven't put anything into the app! Others on here say they can see their medical records, book appointments etc but none of that is available for my practice. The same as SystmOnline which is now just a glorified prescription ordering website. Basically my surgery offers zero digital tools to manage your health/appointments. Again. That's because they haven't ****yet**** put it into the app." You misunderstand. Forget the vaccine thing. When I click on "book appointments" in the NHS app, it says this service is not available at this practice. The same as on the website SystmOnline, which previously (before March 2020) WAS capable of online booking. I've asked for access to my records in SystmOnline before, but was told my practice don't subscribe to that bit of it. My practice does not offer online services! | |||
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"That's' because they haven't yet put it into the app. They haven't put anything into the app! Others on here say they can see their medical records, book appointments etc but none of that is available for my practice. The same as SystmOnline which is now just a glorified prescription ordering website. Basically my surgery offers zero digital tools to manage your health/appointments. Again. That's because they haven't ****yet**** put it into the app. You misunderstand. Forget the vaccine thing. When I click on "book appointments" in the NHS app, it says this service is not available at this practice. The same as on the website SystmOnline, which previously (before March 2020) WAS capable of online booking. I've asked for access to my records in SystmOnline before, but was told my practice don't subscribe to that bit of it. My practice does not offer online services!" It's not your GP surgery that offer the service it's your online NHS Patient Record. Your GP will most certainly be connected to it. When you visit the Doctor they have to access it to do your care. If they don't then they really need the Care Commission to investigate why not. Get on the case  | |||
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" Grant Shapps confirmed the app will be used as proof Brits have had their Covid-19 vaccination, or tested negative for the virus, before going on holiday. “It will be the NHS App that is used for people when they book appointments with the NHS and so on, to be able to show you’ve had a vaccine or that you’ve had testing,” Shapps said. He added that he is working with other countries to ensure the system is internationally recognised." The NHS app only covers England not the rest of the UK | |||
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" Grant Shapps confirmed the app will be used as proof Brits have had their Covid-19 vaccination, or tested negative for the virus, before going on holiday. “It will be the NHS App that is used for people when they book appointments with the NHS and so on, to be able to show you’ve had a vaccine or that you’ve had testing,” Shapps said. He added that he is working with other countries to ensure the system is internationally recognised. The NHS app only covers England not the rest of the UK " Healthcare is devolved - check with your local Health Authority. Can't see then not taking part in the same process however. | |||
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"That's' because they haven't yet put it into the app. They haven't put anything into the app! Others on here say they can see their medical records, book appointments etc but none of that is available for my practice. The same as SystmOnline which is now just a glorified prescription ordering website. Basically my surgery offers zero digital tools to manage your health/appointments. Again. That's because they haven't ****yet**** put it into the app. You misunderstand. Forget the vaccine thing. When I click on "book appointments" in the NHS app, it says this service is not available at this practice. The same as on the website SystmOnline, which previously (before March 2020) WAS capable of online booking. I've asked for access to my records in SystmOnline before, but was told my practice don't subscribe to that bit of it. My practice does not offer online services!" Re the booking via the app, we had it before covid but currently it is suspended. All bookings need to made via phone or the triage GP website. To me I just see it as a way of the GP controlling in person appointments and nothing more, sure it will return in time. | |||
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"I don't think the NHS app will be the final answer. I suspect we'll need a single UK answer, and obviously those without smart phones will need a solution. I'm glad one is coming forward, though." Many many thousands of people don't use the API system at Airports or at Euro tunnel. (slows them down through check-in though) There always has to be an alternative way. | |||
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" Grant Shapps confirmed the app will be used as proof Brits have had their Covid-19 vaccination, or tested negative for the virus, before going on holiday. “It will be the NHS App that is used for people when they book appointments with the NHS and so on, to be able to show you’ve had a vaccine or that you’ve had testing,” Shapps said. He added that he is working with other countries to ensure the system is internationally recognised. The NHS app only covers England not the rest of the UK " AH but that's going to change I believe to a universal system across the whole of Europe eventually.. So we will all be using the same system | |||
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"That's' because they haven't yet put it into the app. They haven't put anything into the app! Others on here say they can see their medical records, book appointments etc but none of that is available for my practice. The same as SystmOnline which is now just a glorified prescription ordering website. Basically my surgery offers zero digital tools to manage your health/appointments. Again. That's because they haven't ****yet**** put it into the app. You misunderstand. Forget the vaccine thing. When I click on "book appointments" in the NHS app, it says this service is not available at this practice. The same as on the website SystmOnline, which previously (before March 2020) WAS capable of online booking. I've asked for access to my records in SystmOnline before, but was told my practice don't subscribe to that bit of it. My practice does not offer online services!" That's a bit unfortunate but I guess some practices will be a bit behind the times.. So it might be a bit of a kick up the bum for them. As far as booking the vaccine is concerned you can do that outside your GPS service.. Just go online and they will book you in to one of the pop up vaccine centres that are all over the country Mind you depends on which part of the country you are in of course as to where your nearest one is. Point being you don't have to just use your GP to get the vaccination. Best of luck hope you get sorted out | |||
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"Health/vaccine passports are a forerunner to full digital IDs, CBDCs, and personalised ESG scores. If you don’t know what any of those are, how they relate, and their implications, I suggest you do some investigating." As usual, comments like this are unfairly met with condescension and ridicule. Never understand why people can’t voice their concerns without something being mentioned about lizards or other wild conspiracies. I also feel like this vaccination status system could be the forerunner to something more intrusive. Doesn’t mean I think Bill Gates is a shapeshifting reptile. But it does seem like a waste of time and money to run a system solely for the purpose of allowing summer holidays. | |||
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"Health/vaccine passports are a forerunner to full digital IDs, CBDCs, and personalised ESG scores. If you don’t know what any of those are, how they relate, and their implications, I suggest you do some investigating. As usual, comments like this are unfairly met with condescension and ridicule. Never understand why people can’t voice their concerns without something being mentioned about lizards or other wild conspiracies. I also feel like this vaccination status system could be the forerunner to something more intrusive. Doesn’t mean I think Bill Gates is a shapeshifting reptile. But it does seem like a waste of time and money to run a system solely for the purpose of allowing summer holidays. " You are right.. There's a tendency for people to be at extreme ends of the spectrum. Everyone's entitled to an opinion. Though the problem comes from wrongly informed people basing decisions on what they read in the daily fail or worse the currant bun.. Sadly people these days seem to love conspiracy theory too and get most of their ' facts' from an amateur random on YT.. they believe these people completely and get quite angry if yiu disagree with them .. Its rare unfortunately that people don't read and research things for themselves and make a balanced judgement before deciding what is right and wrong and telling everyone else about it. Particularly online With the current situation and suddenly getting worried about monitoring, being spied on etc . Isn't this a bit like shutting the gate long after the horse has bolted? We love tech, phones, games, laptops, world wide Web etc and positively dragged it into our lives over the last 40 years as much as we could .. Constantly advancing our knowledge and staying on trend with new developments all the time . Fact is things like this are never originally designed for fun or our fun are they? .. They are usually linked to defence programmes and the rise of computers and the Internet are no different. So the backbone and architecture to use our everyday tech for other things has always been there.. And now it's going to be used Now it's clear there are plans afoot to start utilising the technology for more than just porn and game playing.. And yes it's probably going to mean we are more closely monitored in everyday life in some way.. Not quite China but I would say people are not going to be able to get away with as much as we used to before.. Finance,tax, health, education, social payments and benefits and nationality status etc are bound to be included in this at some point somehow But we aren't at Big brother or Minority report stage yet I would say .. We might be one day though unless people start to question tech developments much more before allowing them to become part of our lives .. But frankly right now I would say that needs to be someone else's problem.. One to be dealt with in the future once we all get back to normal again | |||
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"That's' because they haven't yet put it into the app. They haven't put anything into the app! Others on here say they can see their medical records, book appointments etc but none of that is available for my practice. The same as SystmOnline which is now just a glorified prescription ordering website. Basically my surgery offers zero digital tools to manage your health/appointments. Again. That's because they haven't ****yet**** put it into the app. You misunderstand. Forget the vaccine thing. When I click on "book appointments" in the NHS app, it says this service is not available at this practice. The same as on the website SystmOnline, which previously (before March 2020) WAS capable of online booking. I've asked for access to my records in SystmOnline before, but was told my practice don't subscribe to that bit of it. My practice does not offer online services! That's a bit unfortunate but I guess some practices will be a bit behind the times.. So it might be a bit of a kick up the bum for them. As far as booking the vaccine is concerned you can do that outside your GPS service.. Just go online and they will book you in to one of the pop up vaccine centres that are all over the country Mind you depends on which part of the country you are in of course as to where your nearest one is. Point being you don't have to just use your GP to get the vaccination. Best of luck hope you get sorted out " I've had my vaccine, that's not an issue and I'm vaccinating people in various clinics myself as a volunteer. The issue is our surgery (a large surgery serving over 20,000 people) has naff all online services! My dad's surgery has everything available online. Just a shame he can't remember how to use it | |||
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"Health/vaccine passports are a forerunner to full digital IDs, CBDCs, and personalised ESG scores. If you don’t know what any of those are, how they relate, and their implications, I suggest you do some investigating. As usual, comments like this are unfairly met with condescension and ridicule. Never understand why people can’t voice their concerns without something being mentioned about lizards or other wild conspiracies. I also feel like this vaccination status system could be the forerunner to something more intrusive. Doesn’t mean I think Bill Gates is a shapeshifting reptile. But it does seem like a waste of time and money to run a system solely for the purpose of allowing summer holidays. You are right.. There's a tendency for people to be at extreme ends of the spectrum. Everyone's entitled to an opinion. Though the problem comes from wrongly informed people basing decisions on what they read in the daily fail or worse the currant bun.. Sadly people these days seem to love conspiracy theory too and get most of their ' facts' from an amateur random on YT.. they believe these people completely and get quite angry if yiu disagree with them .. Its rare unfortunately that people don't read and research things for themselves and make a balanced judgement before deciding what is right and wrong and telling everyone else about it. Particularly online With the current situation and suddenly getting worried about monitoring, being spied on etc . Isn't this a bit like shutting the gate long after the horse has bolted? We love tech, phones, games, laptops, world wide Web etc and positively dragged it into our lives over the last 40 years as much as we could .. Constantly advancing our knowledge and staying on trend with new developments all the time . Fact is things like this are never originally designed for fun or our fun are they? .. They are usually linked to defence programmes and the rise of computers and the Internet are no different. So the backbone and architecture to use our everyday tech for other things has always been there.. And now it's going to be used Now it's clear there are plans afoot to start utilising the technology for more than just porn and game playing.. And yes it's probably going to mean we are more closely monitored in everyday life in some way.. Not quite China but I would say people are not going to be able to get away with as much as we used to before.. Finance,tax, health, education, social payments and benefits and nationality status etc are bound to be included in this at some point somehow But we aren't at Big brother or Minority report stage yet I would say .. We might be one day though unless people start to question tech developments much more before allowing them to become part of our lives .. But frankly right now I would say that needs to be someone else's problem.. One to be dealt with in the future once we all get back to normal again " Indeed, we can do little these days without it being tracked by something somewhere. And while we’re not at the level China are yet, it does seem like an increasing possibility somewhere down the road. Although, I would hate to think it’s everyone’s problem later because it’s not someone’s problem now. Time will tell I suppose. If it’s anything like Sercos system it won’t even work anyway haha. | |||
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"Papers Please. 1930s germany. 90 years on & we are allowing the same things to happen. on a larger & more efficient scale. all your data (medical, financial) stored & available to be checked at any time. Imagine the hackers rubbing their hands. if the vaccined cant contract/transmit - why do you need one? if the vaccinated CAN contract/transmit - why do you need one? Its about control. think logically. " Its not the same at all! | |||
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"Health/vaccine passports are a forerunner to full digital IDs, CBDCs, and personalised ESG scores. If you don’t know what any of those are, how they relate, and their implications, I suggest you do some investigating. As usual, comments like this are unfairly met with condescension and ridicule. Never understand why people can’t voice their concerns without something being mentioned about lizards or other wild conspiracies. I also feel like this vaccination status system could be the forerunner to something more intrusive. Doesn’t mean I think Bill Gates is a shapeshifting reptile. But it does seem like a waste of time and money to run a system solely for the purpose of allowing summer holidays. You are right.. There's a tendency for people to be at extreme ends of the spectrum. Everyone's entitled to an opinion. Though the problem comes from wrongly informed people basing decisions on what they read in the daily fail or worse the currant bun.. Sadly people these days seem to love conspiracy theory too and get most of their ' facts' from an amateur random on YT.. they believe these people completely and get quite angry if yiu disagree with them .. Its rare unfortunately that people don't read and research things for themselves and make a balanced judgement before deciding what is right and wrong and telling everyone else about it. Particularly online With the current situation and suddenly getting worried about monitoring, being spied on etc . Isn't this a bit like shutting the gate long after the horse has bolted? We love tech, phones, games, laptops, world wide Web etc and positively dragged it into our lives over the last 40 years as much as we could .. Constantly advancing our knowledge and staying on trend with new developments all the time . Fact is things like this are never originally designed for fun or our fun are they? .. They are usually linked to defence programmes and the rise of computers and the Internet are no different. So the backbone and architecture to use our everyday tech for other things has always been there.. And now it's going to be used Now it's clear there are plans afoot to start utilising the technology for more than just porn and game playing.. And yes it's probably going to mean we are more closely monitored in everyday life in some way.. Not quite China but I would say people are not going to be able to get away with as much as we used to before.. Finance,tax, health, education, social payments and benefits and nationality status etc are bound to be included in this at some point somehow But we aren't at Big brother or Minority report stage yet I would say .. We might be one day though unless people start to question tech developments much more before allowing them to become part of our lives .. But frankly right now I would say that needs to be someone else's problem.. One to be dealt with in the future once we all get back to normal again " Lets be honest. The gathering / use / misuse of people's personal data has been going on for many years and not by any government. It's the hackers and bla**mailers and marketing companies and supermarkets who know when your periods are due as they k ow when you buy sanitary towels. Our govt can't develop a simple app so the chances of it having the ability to deliver some all seeing monitoring capability are between slim and none. Google / amazon / Microsoft / Norton / apple on the other hand... Well they are more than capable. | |||
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"Papers Please. 1930s germany. 90 years on & we are allowing the same things to happen. on a larger & more efficient scale. all your data (medical, financial) stored & available to be checked at any time. Imagine the hackers rubbing their hands. if the vaccined cant contract/transmit - why do you need one? if the vaccinated CAN contract/transmit - why do you need one? Its about control. think logically. " OK I'm thinking logically... "it's about control" Can you answer these questions? 1/ who is it who is trying to exert Control? 2/exactly what is it that "they" are trying to control? 3/ to what end? What do "they" gain from "controlling" you? | |||
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"Papers Please. 1930s germany. 90 years on & we are allowing the same things to happen. on a larger & more efficient scale. all your data (medical, financial) stored & available to be checked at any time. Imagine the hackers rubbing their hands. if the vaccined cant contract/transmit - why do you need one? if the vaccinated CAN contract/transmit - why do you need one? Its about control. think logically. " I'm thinking very logically, and can see exactly zero relationship between public health measures and industrialised genocide What I do see is people insulting the memory of those who perished by equating the Holocaust with a thing they think is icky. | |||
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"Papers Please. 1930s germany. 90 years on & we are allowing the same things to happen. on a larger & more efficient scale. all your data (medical, financial) stored & available to be checked at any time. Imagine the hackers rubbing their hands. if the vaccined cant contract/transmit - why do you need one? if the vaccinated CAN contract/transmit - why do you need one? Its about control. think logically. " Ironic that your last two words are that and in the same thread you try and tenuously link the current situation to a vile regime.. Your clearly not using logic in your rhetoric.. | |||
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"Papers Please. 1930s germany. 90 years on & we are allowing the same things to happen. on a larger & more efficient scale. all your data (medical, financial) stored & available to be checked at any time. Imagine the hackers rubbing their hands. if the vaccined cant contract/transmit - why do you need one? if the vaccinated CAN contract/transmit - why do you need one? Its about control. think logically. Ironic that your last two words are that and in the same thread you try and tenuously link the current situation to a vile regime.. Your clearly not using logic in your rhetoric.." The reality is if the government wanted to check any of our data, they probably can do already and have been able to do so for years; doubt they need a vaccine passport to do that. Equally hackers probably can do so as well. | |||
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