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"Taking everything at face value it would seem they stamp it out aggresively at the first hint of it and give 0 fucks about how people/businesses feel about it. According to a BBC reporter in china on radio 4 yesterday they have all their shops open and apparently life is largely back to normal aside from occasional local lock downs. Though national borders remain closed. Being in a totalitarian state is great when their interests align with yours. Not so much when they decide they don't like you... " Well yes agree but just think there should still be more Covid in a large densely populated country like China.... however they try to control it .... | |||
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"Our students in China report near normality, in terms of shops open, face masks optional, cafés, restaurants, cinemas and other amusements open. Travel in and out is pretty much nil and everyone goes into mandatory quarantine with regular tests if they do travel in. I agree it seems dodgy, but our students are all over China and have the same freedoms. " Travel in or out maybe nil but I’d prefer it if Chinese goods coming out were nil too .... we buy far too much from them and hopefully we can change that over time | |||
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"Our students in China report near normality, in terms of shops open, face masks optional, cafés, restaurants, cinemas and other amusements open. Travel in and out is pretty much nil and everyone goes into mandatory quarantine with regular tests if they do travel in. I agree it seems dodgy, but our students are all over China and have the same freedoms. Travel in or out maybe nil but I’d prefer it if Chinese goods coming out were nil too .... we buy far too much from them and hopefully we can change that over time " Goods in/out of China are not exactly relevant to the OP on whether they're being honest about the Covid situation, or is the OP just a distraction for the real thrust about trade? The fact is that I speak to Chinese citizens, in China, every working day, and they are going about their lives pretty much as normal, save international travel and to some extent, inter-regional travel in China itself. | |||
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"Our students in China report near normality, in terms of shops open, face masks optional, cafés, restaurants, cinemas and other amusements open. Travel in and out is pretty much nil and everyone goes into mandatory quarantine with regular tests if they do travel in. I agree it seems dodgy, but our students are all over China and have the same freedoms. Travel in or out maybe nil but I’d prefer it if Chinese goods coming out were nil too .... we buy far too much from them and hopefully we can change that over time Goods in/out of China are not exactly relevant to the OP on whether they're being honest about the Covid situation, or is the OP just a distraction for the real thrust about trade? The fact is that I speak to Chinese citizens, in China, every working day, and they are going about their lives pretty much as normal, save international travel and to some extent, inter-regional travel in China itself."  | |||
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"Our students in China report near normality, in terms of shops open, face masks optional, cafés, restaurants, cinemas and other amusements open. Travel in and out is pretty much nil and everyone goes into mandatory quarantine with regular tests if they do travel in. I agree it seems dodgy, but our students are all over China and have the same freedoms. Travel in or out maybe nil but I’d prefer it if Chinese goods coming out were nil too .... we buy far too much from them and hopefully we can change that over time Goods in/out of China are not exactly relevant to the OP on whether they're being honest about the Covid situation, or is the OP just a distraction for the real thrust about trade? The fact is that I speak to Chinese citizens, in China, every working day, and they are going about their lives pretty much as normal, save international travel and to some extent, inter-regional travel in China itself." Anything is relevant on a swingers forum lol | |||
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"Our students in China report near normality, in terms of shops open, face masks optional, cafés, restaurants, cinemas and other amusements open. Travel in and out is pretty much nil and everyone goes into mandatory quarantine with regular tests if they do travel in. I agree it seems dodgy, but our students are all over China and have the same freedoms. Travel in or out maybe nil but I’d prefer it if Chinese goods coming out were nil too .... we buy far too much from them and hopefully we can change that over time Goods in/out of China are not exactly relevant to the OP on whether they're being honest about the Covid situation, or is the OP just a distraction for the real thrust about trade? The fact is that I speak to Chinese citizens, in China, every working day, and they are going about their lives pretty much as normal, save international travel and to some extent, inter-regional travel in China itself. Anything is relevant on a swingers forum lol " Where's the link from covid cases in China to Chinese goods ? A separate post maybe . | |||
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"Our students in China report near normality, in terms of shops open, face masks optional, cafés, restaurants, cinemas and other amusements open. Travel in and out is pretty much nil and everyone goes into mandatory quarantine with regular tests if they do travel in. I agree it seems dodgy, but our students are all over China and have the same freedoms. Travel in or out maybe nil but I’d prefer it if Chinese goods coming out were nil too .... we buy far too much from them and hopefully we can change that over time Goods in/out of China are not exactly relevant to the OP on whether they're being honest about the Covid situation, or is the OP just a distraction for the real thrust about trade? The fact is that I speak to Chinese citizens, in China, every working day, and they are going about their lives pretty much as normal, save international travel and to some extent, inter-regional travel in China itself. Anything is relevant on a swingers forum lol " Indeed, but I'm wondering whether it's just a general anti Chinese post? I agree China has a lot to improve, but I can tell you that the appetite is there among the up and coming generation. They don't want to keep the status quo and I'm not sure the Communist regime will last many more decades. | |||
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"Our students in China report near normality, in terms of shops open, face masks optional, cafés, restaurants, cinemas and other amusements open. Travel in and out is pretty much nil and everyone goes into mandatory quarantine with regular tests if they do travel in. I agree it seems dodgy, but our students are all over China and have the same freedoms. Travel in or out maybe nil but I’d prefer it if Chinese goods coming out were nil too .... we buy far too much from them and hopefully we can change that over time Goods in/out of China are not exactly relevant to the OP on whether they're being honest about the Covid situation, or is the OP just a distraction for the real thrust about trade? The fact is that I speak to Chinese citizens, in China, every working day, and they are going about their lives pretty much as normal, save international travel and to some extent, inter-regional travel in China itself. Anything is relevant on a swingers forum lol Indeed, but I'm wondering whether it's just a general anti Chinese post? I agree China has a lot to improve, but I can tell you that the appetite is there among the up and coming generation. They don't want to keep the status quo and I'm not sure the Communist regime will last many more decades." The regime will still be there long after we have gone.dont you remeber the tanks rolling over people and the hours of machine gun fire? That was only 30 years ago.protest in china and lose everything.that credit score they have is a bit of a fucker | |||
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"Our students in China report near normality, in terms of shops open, face masks optional, cafés, restaurants, cinemas and other amusements open. Travel in and out is pretty much nil and everyone goes into mandatory quarantine with regular tests if they do travel in. I agree it seems dodgy, but our students are all over China and have the same freedoms. Travel in or out maybe nil but I’d prefer it if Chinese goods coming out were nil too .... we buy far too much from them and hopefully we can change that over time Goods in/out of China are not exactly relevant to the OP on whether they're being honest about the Covid situation, or is the OP just a distraction for the real thrust about trade? The fact is that I speak to Chinese citizens, in China, every working day, and they are going about their lives pretty much as normal, save international travel and to some extent, inter-regional travel in China itself. Anything is relevant on a swingers forum lol Where's the link from covid cases in China to Chinese goods ? A separate post maybe ." Jaguar Land Rover. | |||
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"It's a shame so many all over the world have suffered with this virus. I'm not surprised that India the second most populated country in the world is having a surge in cases. Especially given the dense location of a large proportion of the population. China, the MOST populated country. Still claiming very low infection rates. Am I missing something? " | |||
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"Our students in China report near normality, in terms of shops open, face masks optional, cafés, restaurants, cinemas and other amusements open. Travel in and out is pretty much nil and everyone goes into mandatory quarantine with regular tests if they do travel in. I agree it seems dodgy, but our students are all over China and have the same freedoms. Travel in or out maybe nil but I’d prefer it if Chinese goods coming out were nil too .... we buy far too much from them and hopefully we can change that over time Goods in/out of China are not exactly relevant to the OP on whether they're being honest about the Covid situation, or is the OP just a distraction for the real thrust about trade? The fact is that I speak to Chinese citizens, in China, every working day, and they are going about their lives pretty much as normal, save international travel and to some extent, inter-regional travel in China itself. Anything is relevant on a swingers forum lol Indeed, but I'm wondering whether it's just a general anti Chinese post? I agree China has a lot to improve, but I can tell you that the appetite is there among the up and coming generation. They don't want to keep the status quo and I'm not sure the Communist regime will last many more decades. The regime will still be there long after we have gone.dont you remeber the tanks rolling over people and the hours of machine gun fire? That was only 30 years ago.protest in china and lose everything.that credit score they have is a bit of a fucker" 30 years ago, I was 5, so I don't REMEMBER Tiananmen Square, no. Obviously I know what happened through reading as an older person. All I can say is what I see and hear from Chinese young people, ages 17-25 (ish). | |||
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"It's a shame so many all over the world have suffered with this virus. I'm not surprised that India the second most populated country in the world is having a surge in cases. Especially given the dense location of a large proportion of the population. China, the MOST populated country. Still claiming very low infection rates. Am I missing something? " Missing pretty much most of what has been said here. The Chinese took 1 of the strictest controls of their people very quickly. Others haven't by and large. The Chinese now appear to have things fairly settled. India has a very different culture and hasn't had such strict isolation and restrictions of people, by comparison. The virus is rampaging with exponential growth in numbers. We almost certainly don't have honest numbers from China but life is unlikely now to be much different from the settled stability, unlike in India, where it's dangerous chaos. The latter reflects what can happen when it's viewed prematurely as no longer much of an issue and premature relaxation of measures occurs. The UK faced that in microcosm, after the summer. | |||
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"If you had it back in the beginning they nailed your windows shut with wood and stopped you spreading it. " Yup, that's one way to stop a virus spreading. | |||
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"Our students in China report near normality, in terms of shops open, face masks optional, cafés, restaurants, cinemas and other amusements open. Travel in and out is pretty much nil and everyone goes into mandatory quarantine with regular tests if they do travel in. I agree it seems dodgy, but our students are all over China and have the same freedoms. Travel in or out maybe nil but I’d prefer it if Chinese goods coming out were nil too .... we buy far too much from them and hopefully we can change that over time Goods in/out of China are not exactly relevant to the OP on whether they're being honest about the Covid situation, or is the OP just a distraction for the real thrust about trade? The fact is that I speak to Chinese citizens, in China, every working day, and they are going about their lives pretty much as normal, save international travel and to some extent, inter-regional travel in China itself. Anything is relevant on a swingers forum lol Indeed, but I'm wondering whether it's just a general anti Chinese post? I agree China has a lot to improve, but I can tell you that the appetite is there among the up and coming generation. They don't want to keep the status quo and I'm not sure the Communist regime will last many more decades. The regime will still be there long after we have gone.dont you remeber the tanks rolling over people and the hours of machine gun fire? That was only 30 years ago.protest in china and lose everything.that credit score they have is a bit of a fucker 30 years ago, I was 5, so I don't REMEMBER Tiananmen Square, no. Obviously I know what happened through reading as an older person. All I can say is what I see and hear from Chinese young people, ages 17-25 (ish)." Hey dont get me wrong yea there young and like all youngsters they want to live in an ideal world but start poking the chinese communist party and it will only ever end one way.just like russia they really couldnt care what the rest of the worlds opinion of them is | |||
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"It's a shame so many all over the world have suffered with this virus. I'm not surprised that India the second most populated country in the world is having a surge in cases. Especially given the dense location of a large proportion of the population. China, the MOST populated country. Still claiming very low infection rates. Am I missing something? Missing pretty much most of what has been said here. The Chinese took 1 of the strictest controls of their people very quickly. Others haven't by and large. The Chinese now appear to have things fairly settled. India has a very different culture and hasn't had such strict isolation and restrictions of people, by comparison. The virus is rampaging with exponential growth in numbers. We almost certainly don't have honest numbers from China but life is unlikely now to be much different from the settled stability, unlike in India, where it's dangerous chaos. The latter reflects what can happen when it's viewed prematurely as no longer much of an issue and premature relaxation of measures occurs. The UK faced that in microcosm, after the summer. " I agree totally what you say, I guess we just have to take their word for it in regards to numbers etc. As for cultures and way of life you can throw that tag around a number of country's that are struggling too. I wouldn't particularly say the UK has that kind of culture and compared to others I believe (with a few exceptions) we as a nation have followed restrictions well. Despite this we have a high rate of all fronts. I suppose trying to compare country to country is probably the wrong way to look at things. | |||
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"Taking everything at face value it would seem they stamp it out aggresively at the first hint of it and give 0 fucks about how people/businesses feel about it. According to a BBC reporter in china on radio 4 yesterday they have all their shops open and apparently life is largely back to normal aside from occasional local lock downs. Though national borders remain closed. Being in a totalitarian state is great when their interests align with yours. Not so much when they decide they don't like you... " they prob made the virus anyway in a lab | |||
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"Taking everything at face value it would seem they stamp it out aggresively at the first hint of it and give 0 fucks about how people/businesses feel about it. According to a BBC reporter in china on radio 4 yesterday they have all their shops open and apparently life is largely back to normal aside from occasional local lock downs. Though national borders remain closed. Being in a totalitarian state is great when their interests align with yours. Not so much when they decide they don't like you... they prob made the virus anyway in a lab" There's less than zero evidence for that tired line. | |||
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"Anyone else noticed the home tests are made in China "Where are STD tests made? | |||
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"Where are most masks made ?" Where are most things made. | |||
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"Our students in China report near normality, in terms of shops open, face masks optional, cafés, restaurants, cinemas and other amusements open. Travel in and out is pretty much nil and everyone goes into mandatory quarantine with regular tests if they do travel in. I agree it seems dodgy, but our students are all over China and have the same freedoms. Travel in or out maybe nil but I’d prefer it if Chinese goods coming out were nil too .... we buy far too much from them and hopefully we can change that over time Goods in/out of China are not exactly relevant to the OP on whether they're being honest about the Covid situation, or is the OP just a distraction for the real thrust about trade? The fact is that I speak to Chinese citizens, in China, every working day, and they are going about their lives pretty much as normal, save international travel and to some extent, inter-regional travel in China itself. Anything is relevant on a swingers forum lol Indeed, but I'm wondering whether it's just a general anti Chinese post? I agree China has a lot to improve, but I can tell you that the appetite is there among the up and coming generation. They don't want to keep the status quo and I'm not sure the Communist regime will last many more decades. The regime will still be there long after we have gone.dont you remeber the tanks rolling over people and the hours of machine gun fire? That was only 30 years ago.protest in china and lose everything.that credit score they have is a bit of a fucker 30 years ago, I was 5, so I don't REMEMBER Tiananmen Square, no. Obviously I know what happened through reading as an older person. All I can say is what I see and hear from Chinese young people, ages 17-25 (ish)." Closely followed by their government guides and masters. You can see them with groups of students around the universities. They are briefed along the same lines, say what they are told and spy like hell, even the students. When I covered open days, they would be all over weapons on dusply, turn your back and they were over the tape, lifting plug covers and taking photos. Do I trust anything they say or claim, not a chance. Yes, they come across helpful and nice, if they didn't they wouldn't glean much would they. | |||
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"Our students in China report near normality, in terms of shops open, face masks optional, cafés, restaurants, cinemas and other amusements open. Travel in and out is pretty much nil and everyone goes into mandatory quarantine with regular tests if they do travel in. I agree it seems dodgy, but our students are all over China and have the same freedoms. Travel in or out maybe nil but I’d prefer it if Chinese goods coming out were nil too .... we buy far too much from them and hopefully we can change that over time Goods in/out of China are not exactly relevant to the OP on whether they're being honest about the Covid situation, or is the OP just a distraction for the real thrust about trade? The fact is that I speak to Chinese citizens, in China, every working day, and they are going about their lives pretty much as normal, save international travel and to some extent, inter-regional travel in China itself. Anything is relevant on a swingers forum lol Indeed, but I'm wondering whether it's just a general anti Chinese post? I agree China has a lot to improve, but I can tell you that the appetite is there among the up and coming generation. They don't want to keep the status quo and I'm not sure the Communist regime will last many more decades. The regime will still be there long after we have gone.dont you remeber the tanks rolling over people and the hours of machine gun fire? That was only 30 years ago.protest in china and lose everything.that credit score they have is a bit of a fucker 30 years ago, I was 5, so I don't REMEMBER Tiananmen Square, no. Obviously I know what happened through reading as an older person. All I can say is what I see and hear from Chinese young people, ages 17-25 (ish). Closely followed by their government guides and masters. You can see them with groups of students around the universities. They are briefed along the same lines, say what they are told and spy like hell, even the students. When I covered open days, they would be all over weapons on dusply, turn your back and they were over the tape, lifting plug covers and taking photos. Do I trust anything they say or claim, not a chance. Yes, they come across helpful and nice, if they didn't they wouldn't glean much would they. " These are students studying at a UK higher education provider, albeit currently mostly remotely from home (China) this year. Usually they come to Manchester and study in person. | |||
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"Is it just me ..... I can’t understand how China has no Covid, compared to India, well apparently there were two cases the other day near the boundary with Burma. I don’t trust them at all . I know they don’t report everything but we do have reporters there, so the Covid thing is just very odd ? " You should never trust a word China says. | |||
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"Covid has spread rapidly in India due to people going to there religious _estivals and now they are paying for it ," I'm fairly sure that there are multiple factors in the acceleration of the virus in India. Mass gatherings are likely to contribute, but general poor sanitary conditions afforded to the very poor masses is likely to be a bigger factor. Cal | |||
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"If you had it back in the beginning they nailed your windows shut with wood and stopped you spreading it. Yup, that's one way to stop a virus spreading." The rumour was that it wasn't just windows. They nailed your door shut as well. Pretty strong incentive for everyone to be bloody careful about observing the strictest possible self-isolation measures. They don't get anti-lockdown rallies in China because it wouldn't be a mere caution or fine issued to just the organisers. Simply attending such an event would at the very least put your name on an "enemies of the state" register. At worst... well you probably wouldn't be given any opportunity to spread the disease... | |||
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"Anyone else noticed the home tests are made in China "Everything is made in China. It’s cheap labour. | |||
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"Also, throughout history China has a habit of sacrificing its population for the advancement of Chinese policy/economy. From WW2 to Korean War to The Great Leap Forwards etc Chinese leaders have willingly let millions of Chinese perish to achieve their goals. I believe that it has been no different with covid. " My thoughts exactly Life is cheap in China and always has been. It’s basic culture and mindset is no less ruthless than it was in the days of the great dynasties, but as regards getting results in things like COVID there is actually no better system. I do have a sneaking suspicion that they used the same tactics as we use for animal disease epidemics in the uk. Highly effective, just like making a firebreak to stop a forest fire by felling a band of trees. | |||
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"Facts are facts, sometimes difficult for us here in the West to swallow because of our perceived illusions of "superiority". China's numbers may be a bit fudged but all indications suggest they are back to normal and COVID deaths are a thing of the past and these are independent reports not from their state news agencies. The Chinese controlled it with mitigation measures largely and later with vaccinations. Yes, some measures (lockdowns) were draconian but then New Zealand and Australia did localized lockdowns that were equally draconian. Secondly, China had a steadfast centrally controlled NATIONAL strategy that was followed to the letter. Taiwan a similar story. Singapore too (yes small, but they implemented a national plan). UK - different story. Back and forth on things, political rather than science based decisions and more focus on optics than people's lives. Places like the America and India even worse (no national strategy, fragmented approach of states doing their "individual" things and constant yapping away about American or Indian "exceptionalism). As a result over half a million deaths in America so far and projected over 1 million deaths in India. " | |||
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"china has re infected india its all to do with the borders conflict last time they used microwave " I often use a microwave for Indian and Chinese. | |||
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"Facts are facts, sometimes difficult for us here in the West to swallow because of our perceived illusions of "superiority". China's numbers may be a bit fudged but all indications suggest they are back to normal and COVID deaths are a thing of the past and these are independent reports not from their state news agencies. The Chinese controlled it with mitigation measures largely and later with vaccinations. Yes, some measures (lockdowns) were draconian but then New Zealand and Australia did localized lockdowns that were equally draconian. Secondly, China had a steadfast centrally controlled NATIONAL strategy that was followed to the letter. Taiwan a similar story. Singapore too (yes small, but they implemented a national plan). UK - different story. Back and forth on things, political rather than science based decisions and more focus on optics than people's lives. Places like the America and India even worse (no national strategy, fragmented approach of states doing their "individual" things and constant yapping away about American or Indian "exceptionalism). As a result over half a million deaths in America so far and projected over 1 million deaths in India. " | |||
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"Our students in China report near normality, in terms of shops open, face masks optional, cafés, restaurants, cinemas and other amusements open. Travel in and out is pretty much nil and everyone goes into mandatory quarantine with regular tests if they do travel in. I agree it seems dodgy, but our students are all over China and have the same freedoms. Travel in or out maybe nil but I’d prefer it if Chinese goods coming out were nil too .... we buy far too much from them and hopefully we can change that over time " We are all responsibly for turning China into a super power who’s military will soon dwarf combined western forces. When China is ready to expand its control across continents they will! | |||
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