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"I don't know you and haven't researched, so I assume that you have due reason to have your exemption. There are serious health, including physical and mental health reasons for exemption and I would not pry, as it's private. " Thank you for your kind response on the subject | |||
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"...... you respond with if i was to suggest that I'm exempt from wearing a face mask in public Positives or negatives as there are kindness and arrogance within different people. " I'd wonder why the hell you randomly told me that | |||
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"...... you respond with if i was to suggest that I'm exempt from wearing a face mask in public Positives or negatives as there are kindness and arrogance within different people. " I would hope you are a caring responsible adult and care about other peoples health and wear a visor if you can or make sure you are vaccinated or not mix if any symptoms | |||
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"...... you respond with if i was to suggest that I'm exempt from wearing a face mask in public Positives or negatives as there are kindness and arrogance within different people. " Slightly naive about this one.. Why would someone be exempt from wearing a face covering? Is it an allergy/reaction to the material? In which case do they not wrap up with scarves in winter? Or is it because of some kind of fear of being assaulted/ hand over the mouth kind of thing? How does that work with oxygen?, gas and air in hospitals? Other things.. Do these people refuse them also?. I guess I'm lucky as they don't bother me at all so I can't see any reason for being exempt from covering your nose and mouth loosely with a piece of cloth Happy to be educated on this one | |||
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"...... you respond with if i was to suggest that I'm exempt from wearing a face mask in public Positives or negatives as there are kindness and arrogance within different people. " You are responsible for your own health, and the health of others, and I am responsible for my own health and the health of others. I wouldn't say anything to you at all, if on the street. I'd just cross the road and avoid you and give you the space you need and the space I need. Simple. | |||
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"...... you respond with if i was to suggest that I'm exempt from wearing a face mask in public Positives or negatives as there are kindness and arrogance within different people. Slightly naive about this one.. Why would someone be exempt from wearing a face covering? Is it an allergy/reaction to the material? In which case do they not wrap up with scarves in winter? Or is it because of some kind of fear of being assaulted/ hand over the mouth kind of thing? How does that work with oxygen?, gas and air in hospitals? Other things.. Do these people refuse them also?. I guess I'm lucky as they don't bother me at all so I can't see any reason for being exempt from covering your nose and mouth loosely with a piece of cloth Happy to be educated on this one " One reason I know of that people forget is the mental health ones. My mates lad for example has a few issues and when trying to wear a mask it nearly always sets off a panic attack. Luckily though, he is old enough to be left on his own when his dad shops, so they can avoid the most common situation. | |||
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"...... you respond with if i was to suggest that I'm exempt from wearing a face mask in public Positives or negatives as there are kindness and arrogance within different people. " The same as if we saw someone parked in a disabled spot but did not look disabled when getting out - NOTHING, cos it's none of our business | |||
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"...... you respond with if i was to suggest that I'm exempt from wearing a face mask in public Positives or negatives as there are kindness and arrogance within different people. Slightly naive about this one.. Why would someone be exempt from wearing a face covering? Is it an allergy/reaction to the material? In which case do they not wrap up with scarves in winter? Or is it because of some kind of fear of being assaulted/ hand over the mouth kind of thing? How does that work with oxygen?, gas and air in hospitals? Other things.. Do these people refuse them also?. I guess I'm lucky as they don't bother me at all so I can't see any reason for being exempt from covering your nose and mouth loosely with a piece of cloth Happy to be educated on this one " Unfortunately yes you are naive to the situation. People have many reasons for not wearing a mask. Oxygen in hospitals are simply that.. oxygen which help you breath easier with assistance with little form of resistance. Wearing a scarf in the winter. Yes i do that too but round my neck only. It not a case of a piece of material around the face its about the impact of it. I'm actually in remission for my 2nd form of cancer to which wearing a mask give me a form of distress which is avoidable. So yes your a little right in what you say. You can't see any reason why... but the reasons are there. | |||
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"I wouldn't care , makes me laugh that people think a face mask is so effective. " Exactly, at least someone gets it | |||
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"I don't know you and haven't researched, so I assume that you have due reason to have your exemption. There are serious health, including physical and mental health reasons for exemption and I would not pry, as it's private. " | |||
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"...... you respond with if i was to suggest that I'm exempt from wearing a face mask in public Positives or negatives as there are kindness and arrogance within different people. " I feel people should be issued with a certificate to say they are exempt,it is no different than having to produce proof of vaccine in the future. | |||
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"By "in public", I imagine you mean places like shops etc. I've no reason to doubt your sincerity but I would make damn sure that there was plenty of space between us." I make sure i stand well away more than the required distance. | |||
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"If you were also wearing a lanyard and keeping your distance from other people I'd just think fair play. If you weren't I'd wonder if you actually are." This is a big bug bare. Anyone can get a lanyard and you cannot lawfully ask persons what the reasons are. So the lanyard is pointless | |||
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"If you were also wearing a lanyard and keeping your distance from other people I'd just think fair play. If you weren't I'd wonder if you actually are. This is a big bug bare. Anyone can get a lanyard and you cannot lawfully ask persons what the reasons are. So the lanyard is pointless " In my opinion the lanyard is a common curtesy to others as there is no law on having to wear it. I do to show respect to others and give them the opportunity to give that little more distance if they wish. So really it does serve a purpose | |||
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"If you were also wearing a lanyard and keeping your distance from other people I'd just think fair play. If you weren't I'd wonder if you actually are. This is a big bug bare. Anyone can get a lanyard and you cannot lawfully ask persons what the reasons are. So the lanyard is pointless " In my experience I've found that people who genuinely aren't able to wear a mask are more than happy to wear a lanyard. I'm aware anyone can get one. We were given guidance at work (a retail environment) which stated we could ask politely that people wear a mask, not the reasons!!! For our safety and others to! If they had a lanyard we obvs wouldn't. | |||
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"... The other day someone who was 'exempt' walked right up to me in the queue leaving me no space at all and feeling trapped as I couldn't even move away. Because of that behaviour, I couldn't help thinking they weren't exempt, but just a fucking dick who doesn't give a toss about anyone else." I can relate to that. I always seem to get followed into supermarkets by problem people. Two young men were arsing around a woman who was actually doing the shopping. None of the three wore masks. The lads talked incessantly and kept passing me and then going back again. For the first time since the covid era started, I confronted one and suggested him that as he wasn't wearing a mask he should reduce the amount of talking and moving about. He looked insolently at me and claimed exemption form face covering. He was fully expecting me to query that and I floored him completely by not going down that path. I replied that I wasn't asking him whether or not he was exempt, merely to act more responsibly. luckily it worked and they simmered down and I went down a totally different aisle in order not to encounter them again. like you "I couldn't help thinking they weren't exempt, but just fucking dicks who don't give a toss about anyone else". Well, I didn't have to think it, it was obvious from their total recklessness. So my advice is consider pointing out (having assessed your own safety) the potential distress to other shoppers but don't get involved in the whys and wherefores of them not wearing masks. They need to realise that the rules have already been modified so that people unable to cope with face covering can still shop but with that concession still comes responsibility. My general policy is not to call anyone a **** when it is obvious that they already know they are! | |||
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"If you were also wearing a lanyard and keeping your distance from other people I'd just think fair play. If you weren't I'd wonder if you actually are. This is a big bug bare. Anyone can get a lanyard and you cannot lawfully ask persons what the reasons are. So the lanyard is pointless In my opinion the lanyard is a common curtesy to others as there is no law on having to wear it. I do to show respect to others and give them the opportunity to give that little more distance if they wish. So really it does serve a purpose" The only purpose it serves is to tell people you're wearing a lanyard. Absolutely nothing else. ANYONE can buy a lanyard off the Internet and no reasons are required as to why you are buying it so all it is saying is that I bought this item from the Internet. Nothing more. | |||
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"...... you respond with if i was to suggest that I'm exempt from wearing a face mask in public Positives or negatives as there are kindness and arrogance within different people. " Nobody has to wear a mask in public. However, are you suggesting inside shops or transport? | |||
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"If you came into where i work you would have to wear 1 or a visor which we provide. It is surgery policy and in all honesty those that complain ......and they do i explain to them that they only wearing it while i see them for the most 5 mins i have to wear it everyday. And again if you have a serious illness that makes you exempt.... Then you are the one that needs to wear something as you are more at risk of being seriously ill if you catch covid Sorry you asked and will prob get slated but ive seen too many healthy people ill and die from this. Stay safe people.. k " when you say surgery do you mean medical? because i would have expected that to make you more aware that the list of reasons not to wear a mask and the risk of reasons you might be at higher risk of covid do not correlate | |||
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"...... you respond with if i was to suggest that I'm exempt from wearing a face mask in public Positives or negatives as there are kindness and arrogance within different people. " No mask.. simple wear a visor.. | |||
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"If you came into where i work you would have to wear 1 or a visor which we provide. It is surgery policy and in all honesty those that complain ......and they do i explain to them that they only wearing it while i see them for the most 5 mins i have to wear it everyday. And again if you have a serious illness that makes you exempt.... Then you are the one that needs to wear something as you are more at risk of being seriously ill if you catch covid Sorry you asked and will prob get slated but ive seen too many healthy people ill and die from this. Stay safe people.. k " Not here. Ive been to hospital appointments exempt and had zero complaints dur to them fully understanding my health. Exempt is exempt.. Then those blaming exempt people is just arrogance. Visors too can give you full distress so unless you suffer this then theres no understanding Such a shame there are people that can't relate to ill health sufferers. | |||
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"I was in Vietnam March 2020. There was no exemption there in shops. No mask. No entry. " Thats fine.. but our rules are.. exemption with entry. | |||
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"...... you respond with if i was to suggest that I'm exempt from wearing a face mask in public Positives or negatives as there are kindness and arrogance within different people. " If you suggested that to my face, I’d ask you why you told me as I’d not asked it’s none of my business. If you were behaving responsibly then that would be ideal, if not then you may still be exempt. I’ve seen pretty much every variant of mask situations. | |||
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"I was in Vietnam March 2020. There was no exemption there in shops. No mask. No entry. Thats fine.. but our rules are.. exemption with entry." But it makes me wonder why we accept exemptions when other countries don't | |||
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"...... you respond with if i was to suggest that I'm exempt from wearing a face mask in public Positives or negatives as there are kindness and arrogance within different people. If you suggested that to my face, I’d ask you why you told me as I’d not asked it’s none of my business. If you were behaving responsibly then that would be ideal, if not then you may still be exempt. I’ve seen pretty much every variant of mask situations." To be fair.. even though im exempt i think alot of those that wear masks that complain are not even wearing correct ones or even wearing correctly so pretty double standards. But this is not all just few who dont want to wear it because they get too hot and feel it... Hmmmmm | |||
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"I was in Vietnam March 2020. There was no exemption there in shops. No mask. No entry. Thats fine.. but our rules are.. exemption with entry. But it makes me wonder why we accept exemptions when other countries don't " Because we have an understanding for major ill health i presume | |||
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" To be fair.. even though im exempt i think alot of those that wear masks that complain are not even wearing correct ones or even wearing correctly so pretty double standards. But this is not all just few who dont want to wear it because they get too hot and feel it... Hmmmmm " Maybe people think you aren't wearing a mask just because you are feeling too hot and don't want to ? | |||
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"...... you respond with if i was to suggest that I'm exempt from wearing a face mask in public Positives or negatives as there are kindness and arrogance within different people. If you suggested that to my face, I’d ask you why you told me as I’d not asked it’s none of my business. If you were behaving responsibly then that would be ideal, if not then you may still be exempt. I’ve seen pretty much every variant of mask situations. To be fair.. even though im exempt i think alot of those that wear masks that complain are not even wearing correct ones or even wearing correctly so pretty double standards. But this is not all just few who dont want to wear it because they get too hot and feel it... Hmmmmm " Why is wearing a mask and doing your best a double standard? I'm perfectly sympathetic for those who can't - tbh I struggle - but calling people who don't wear a face covering the way you approve of hypocritical is a bit much | |||
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"...... you respond with if i was to suggest that I'm exempt from wearing a face mask in public Positives or negatives as there are kindness and arrogance within different people. If you suggested that to my face, I’d ask you why you told me as I’d not asked it’s none of my business. If you were behaving responsibly then that would be ideal, if not then you may still be exempt. I’ve seen pretty much every variant of mask situations. To be fair.. even though im exempt i think alot of those that wear masks that complain are not even wearing correct ones or even wearing correctly so pretty double standards. But this is not all just few who dont want to wear it because they get too hot and feel it... Hmmmmm Why is wearing a mask and doing your best a double standard? I'm perfectly sympathetic for those who can't - tbh I struggle - but calling people who don't wear a face covering the way you approve of hypocritical is a bit much" No its not.. Its a comment on those that complain only. Wear it how you like but then dont complain... thats the point | |||
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"...... you respond with if i was to suggest that I'm exempt from wearing a face mask in public Positives or negatives as there are kindness and arrogance within different people. If you suggested that to my face, I’d ask you why you told me as I’d not asked it’s none of my business. If you were behaving responsibly then that would be ideal, if not then you may still be exempt. I’ve seen pretty much every variant of mask situations. To be fair.. even though im exempt i think alot of those that wear masks that complain are not even wearing correct ones or even wearing correctly so pretty double standards. But this is not all just few who dont want to wear it because they get too hot and feel it... Hmmmmm " This is the problem, the few who do genuinely have an issue that prevents them wearing a mask are being overshadowed by the dickheads that just don't want to wear one. I personally think that masks should be mandatory in public buildings, having exemptions is too easy to abuse. Or, provide those with genuine health issues that prevent them wearing a mask with some sort of ID card, only provided by the government. Unfortunately, alot of people who can wear a mask won't, I have certain issues that would mean I'm exempt but I know I'm able to wear a mask so I do. It's the idiots that look for loopholes that are the problem. | |||
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"...... you respond with if i was to suggest that I'm exempt from wearing a face mask in public Positives or negatives as there are kindness and arrogance within different people. If you suggested that to my face, I’d ask you why you told me as I’d not asked it’s none of my business. If you were behaving responsibly then that would be ideal, if not then you may still be exempt. I’ve seen pretty much every variant of mask situations. To be fair.. even though im exempt i think alot of those that wear masks that complain are not even wearing correct ones or even wearing correctly so pretty double standards. But this is not all just few who dont want to wear it because they get too hot and feel it... Hmmmmm Why is wearing a mask and doing your best a double standard? I'm perfectly sympathetic for those who can't - tbh I struggle - but calling people who don't wear a face covering the way you approve of hypocritical is a bit much No its not.. Its a comment on those that complain only. Wear it how you like but then dont complain... thats the point" Why can't I be concerned? Public health concerns all of us. | |||
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"...... you respond with if i was to suggest that I'm exempt from wearing a face mask in public Positives or negatives as there are kindness and arrogance within different people. If you suggested that to my face, I’d ask you why you told me as I’d not asked it’s none of my business. If you were behaving responsibly then that would be ideal, if not then you may still be exempt. I’ve seen pretty much every variant of mask situations. To be fair.. even though im exempt i think alot of those that wear masks that complain are not even wearing correct ones or even wearing correctly so pretty double standards. But this is not all just few who dont want to wear it because they get too hot and feel it... Hmmmmm This is the problem, the few who do genuinely have an issue that prevents them wearing a mask are being overshadowed by the dickheads that just don't want to wear one. I personally think that masks should be mandatory in public buildings, having exemptions is too easy to abuse. Or, provide those with genuine health issues that prevent them wearing a mask with some sort of ID card, only provided by the government. Unfortunately, alot of people who can wear a mask won't, I have certain issues that would mean I'm exempt but I know I'm able to wear a mask so I do. It's the idiots that look for loopholes that are the problem." Thats right. I actually have my illness on a card that is also on my lanyard tag that was supplied by my doctor. But it doesnt really matter anymore after they suggest a possibility of doing away with masks in the near future as a request. Then all those that insist on masks now will you continue to wear.. good if you did. | |||
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"Are there really so many people who are unable to wear a breathable piece of cloth over their nose and mouth for ten minutes ? " 10 minutes.. wow fast shopper | |||
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"10 minutes for emergency items that you havent got on your home delivery or click and collect order" Don't do home delivery or click and collect. You get the unhealthy last dates they want rid of. I go and source my shopping myself. | |||
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"10 minutes for emergency items that you havent got on your home delivery or click and collect order" I don't think asking people with certain vulnerability to not go out is the answer either. It's a tricky one. Because I want to protect those who can't, including their privacy and dignity - but those who think they're too special for the rules (are not exempt) can take a long walk off a short pier. | |||
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" I go and source my shopping myself. " Exactly. So it is your choice to go into the shops. Not a necessity. So don't be suprised if some people are uncomfortable when they see you not wearing a mask. | |||
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" I go and source my shopping myself. Exactly. So it is your choice to go into the shops. Not a necessity. So don't be suprised if some people are uncomfortable when they see you not wearing a mask. " Then they obviously have confidence issues that need assessing. | |||
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" I don't think asking people with certain vulnerability to not go out is the answer either. It's a tricky one. " I agree. But isn't this what the government asked the clinically vulnerable people to do for almost a year during lockdown ? What people in care homes are still having to do after 14 months ? | |||
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" I don't think asking people with certain vulnerability to not go out is the answer either. It's a tricky one. I agree. But isn't this what the government asked the clinically vulnerable people to do for almost a year during lockdown ? What people in care homes are still having to do after 14 months ? " That's very true. | |||
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" I go and source my shopping myself. Exactly. So it is your choice to go into the shops. Not a necessity. So don't be suprised if some people are uncomfortable when they see you not wearing a mask. Then they obviously have confidence issues that need assessing." or they don't want to catch a pandemic disease? | |||
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"I wouldn't care , makes me laugh that people think a face mask is so effective. " You'd be surprised to understand that masks do have loads of effect if you look at the range of jobs that involves wearing a mask and the benefits which stop a person inhalation of dust for example if a mask is of certain types of material it can differ but if it doesn't have a filter but how much pollution does a person breathe in daily | |||
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"10 minutes for emergency items that you havent got on your home delivery or click and collect order Don't do home delivery or click and collect. You get the unhealthy last dates they want rid of. I go and source my shopping myself. " if it helps any they are actually much better than this now - years ago sure but i think they do select a good date range any time i have ordered in the last year because they want people to get a good experience and keep using the service | |||
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"...... you respond with if i was to suggest that I'm exempt from wearing a face mask in public Positives or negatives as there are kindness and arrogance within different people. " absolutely no reaction as I am well aware I have no right to ask nor antagonise you over your personal data and would not like it done to me or another who is possibly less mentally able to deal with the attack on personal privacy in a public place which is degrading to the exempt individual. you do you, I'll do me. | |||
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"I’m contemplating getting a sunflower lanyard as I finding a mask a little over stimulating at the moment. (I have ASD) If you wore one of those OP I doubt anyone would bat an eyelid. Especially if you were distancing " you do not need to give a visual symbol to having a disability, this wasn't driven hard after first lock down due to exactly as you can see above, those who fear react adversely and reject those who the fear from their societal circles which can include venues. If any one asks simply say exempt, they are private persons and entitled to no more information than that with out it being degrading and discriminatory particularly towards disabled and abused persons. Do not give away your privacy and freedoms for a 99% survival rated natural mortal being. | |||
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"I’m contemplating getting a sunflower lanyard as I finding a mask a little over stimulating at the moment. (I have ASD) If you wore one of those OP I doubt anyone would bat an eyelid. Especially if you were distancing you do not need to give a visual symbol to having a disability, this wasn't driven hard after first lock down due to exactly as you can see above, those who fear react adversely and reject those who the fear from their societal circles which can include venues. If any one asks simply say exempt, they are private persons and entitled to no more information than that with out it being degrading and discriminatory particularly towards disabled and abused persons. Do not give away your privacy and freedoms for a 99% survival rated natural mortal being. " I wear my lanyard but not to give people an insight into my illness but purly to give them an early opportunity to distance more if they feel the need to do so. | |||
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" Do not give away your privacy and freedoms for a 99% survival rated natural mortal being. " I would prefer not to wear a mask but it isn't a major inconvenience to wear one and because it makes other people feel more comfortable I am considerate and always wear one. | |||
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" Do not give away your privacy and freedoms for a 99% survival rated natural mortal being. I would prefer not to wear a mask but it isn't a major inconvenience to wear one and because it makes other people feel more comfortable I am considerate and always wear one. " So whos inconsiderate | |||
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" So whos inconsiderate " I don't think I am | |||
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" So whos inconsiderate I don't think I am" So who is | |||
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"OP what would happen to you if you wore a mask ?" Unfortunately i asked you a question which you failed to answer so im happy to answer your question in tandem | |||
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"I am inconsiderate. What would happen to you if you wore a mask ? " Hmmm you said you wasn't before a few posts up... So you want to know what will happen.. well.... Refer to thread | |||
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""A form of distress" " Thats all that is being said without sharing private data | |||
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""A form of distress" Thats all that is being said without sharing private data " I was curious if it is physical or psychological distress | |||
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""A form of distress" Thats all that is being said without sharing private data I was curious if it is physical or psychological distress" Physical | |||
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" Thats all that is being said without sharing private data " It was you who shared private data by opening a thread saying you are exempt from wearing a facemask | |||
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" Thats all that is being said without sharing private data It was you who shared private data by opening a thread saying you are exempt from wearing a facemask" Thats not private... thats public. Not wearing a mask is not something you can hide | |||
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"Without reading any other posts my reaction would be to say do the right thing for the public at large and stay at home. Minimise your own risk as you must be vulnerable and minimise the risks to others by not going out. Simple really. I cant see a need to go out and be a potential risk to yourself or anyone. This is an age of the Internet, on line shopping etc." Understand but also i do minimise risks as said earlier by giving lots more space ... but thats down to everyone.. | |||
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"Anybody else exempt " Yep, I still wear one though. | |||
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"If you were also wearing a lanyard and keeping your distance from other people I'd just think fair play. If you weren't I'd wonder if you actually are. This is a big bug bare. Anyone can get a lanyard and you cannot lawfully ask persons what the reasons are. So the lanyard is pointless In my opinion the lanyard is a common curtesy to others as there is no law on having to wear it. I do to show respect to others and give them the opportunity to give that little more distance if they wish. So really it does serve a purpose" why the lanyard? if someone can see clearly that they are not wearing a mask common sense should kick In | |||
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"If you were also wearing a lanyard and keeping your distance from other people I'd just think fair play. If you weren't I'd wonder if you actually are. This is a big bug bare. Anyone can get a lanyard and you cannot lawfully ask persons what the reasons are. So the lanyard is pointless In my opinion the lanyard is a common curtesy to others as there is no law on having to wear it. I do to show respect to others and give them the opportunity to give that little more distance if they wish. So really it does serve a purpose why the lanyard? if someone can see clearly that they are not wearing a mask common sense should kick In " As mentioned many times... lanyard is something i wear to show respect and give others that opportunity to distance more | |||
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"Anybody else exempt Yep, I still wear one though." True.. Shame i can't have that option to still wear one | |||
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"Anybody else exempt " I will see if I can get the youths I encountered the other day who were arsing around maskless to join Fab and put forward their point of view. Could be interesting but carries the risk of not going down well with a proportion of their otherwise potential meets, should that time ever return. | |||
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"Anybody else exempt I will see if I can get the youths I encountered the other day who were arsing around maskless to join Fab and put forward their point of view. Could be interesting but carries the risk of not going down well with a proportion of their otherwise potential meets, should that time ever return." Oh dear | |||
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"If you were also wearing a lanyard and keeping your distance from other people I'd just think fair play. If you weren't I'd wonder if you actually are. This is a big bug bare. Anyone can get a lanyard and you cannot lawfully ask persons what the reasons are. So the lanyard is pointless In my opinion the lanyard is a common curtesy to others as there is no law on having to wear it. I do to show respect to others and give them the opportunity to give that little more distance if they wish. So really it does serve a purpose why the lanyard? if someone can see clearly that they are not wearing a mask common sense should kick In As mentioned many times... lanyard is something i wear to show respect and give others that opportunity to distance more " fair enough each to their own, I just feel that the pandemic as got to people mentally to the point there they can't think clearly, me personally if I see someone without a mask and if the fact that they were not wearing a mask bothered me, I would not need a lanyard to tell to keep my distance. in your defence I can understand the relief it will bring from the attacks form people who feel it's place to do so | |||
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"People have varying reasons for all their actions but as someone who has lost someone to covid and about to loose another as they can’t get treatment for cancer due to covid I would do anything to avoid spreading any illness and if you can’t wear a mask for medical reasons I don’t see what problem a visor would create? Doesn’t sit flat against your face? If you were welding for example would you not wear a visor for protection?" Different situations have different effects on people. It not a case of something sitting flat on the face its the enclosure for some. Wouldn't weld due to the issue of wearing a visor so no issues. | |||
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