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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

I am wondering if anyone has experienced any persistent side effects from any of the vaccines. I have two friends who because of their jobs had to get vaccinated. Both in thier late 30's one Male one Female. Both got the 1st jab of AstraZeneca.

Male has had the following for 5 weeks since getting the jab:

Intermittent nausea at least once a day lasting up to an hour. Intermittent loss of appetite. And low mood.

Female has had the following, bouts of pressure in the left side of her head ( yes i am nagging her to go to doc) and low mood.

I stess i am not anti vaccination nor part of the tin foil hat brigade, but it has me incredibly sceptical about the vaccinations.

Has anyone experienced effects lasting more than a couple of weeks?

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By *ealitybitesMan
over a year ago

Belfast

Didn't have any side effects at all from the AZ jab and don't know anyone who had any issues apart from a dull headache and sore arm the next day.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

You might be better asking in the virus forum

I don't know anyone who's had a vaccine yet

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The good man's aunt got the jab. She is and old lady and has some natural health issues of the age but she also has mentioned the recurrent nausea and lack of taste of food. She also got an intestine condition going on before the vaccine. They don't know if the vaccine accentuated these symptoms and not sure if they'll ever know.

And I'm the same, still a bit sceptic about this one...I'm appreciative that vacccines have done wonders for the vast majority of the world's population. But also have caused a lot of damage. Being on the side of the minority doesn't mean it's less important. All scenarios should count and have equal attention and consideration.

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By *ebel_LionMan
over a year ago

cork

my sister had the vaccine......she grew what we thought was a third leg first, then got a pronounces adams apple and asked to be called Dave

jokes aside, we should listen to the true professionals and listen to them and make an informed decision as to whether to progress with taking a vaccine. none of us are experts in this field

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By *ustBoWoman
over a year ago

Somewhere in Co. Down

I had both of mine 2nd one in January and have been fine as have anyone who had them around the same time including quite a few elderly people that I know.

I know a few other people who had been ill for a few days after but no one seems to have had any long term issues that have shown since they had the vaccine.

Like anything tho it will effect people different ways.

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By *osmicGateMan
over a year ago

louth

Know a nurse who got first vaccine in February.. She has been suffering with a sore arm.. High blood pressure and headaches since.. Needless to say she didn't get the 2nd dose..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Had 1st jab last week and sore arm and felt unwell for about three days but right as rain now. I know quite a lot who now have had both jabs and all the same.

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By *oxyvixen99Woman
over a year ago

Newtownabbey

No issues with mine

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By *og-ManMan
over a year ago

somewhere

Genuine reply not interested in stirring shit on this

Both my parents in their 80's are like spring chickens after both shots of the pfizer vaccine... both full of energy

Two mates had a parent die within 48 hrs of getting second pfizer shot but both had underlying health conditions...one was buried today

No one seems to be putting the blame on the vaccine at all in either family ....just the luck of the draw

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

I am very sceptical about any new drug, and i would have no problem taking something once its in widespread use for a couple of years, and the lack of informed mainstream information is scary. Just positive spin about bleeds being one in a million events. Even the response on here shows that there are more contradictions, even if some are not life threatening. All anyone wants is the truth.

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By *lameBoyMan
over a year ago

Enfield & Dublin

I had Covid in November and recovered mostly by late February early March. I got the first dose of AstraZenica at the end of March and had a slight tenderness at the injection site. No other side effects at all.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I got the AZ one yesterday, they say common side effects are flu like symptoms and tiredness... No sh1t sherlock! I've had 3 naps of over an hour each, shivering more than a wand... Ladies apply within... Aches and pains everywhere! Haven't heard of anyone having any issues with Pfizer...

I am disappointed in it too, I'm not glowing in the dark and haven't developed any super powers either!

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

You should talk to your doctor. They will be able to best advise you.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Boris was asked last week in the house to provide stats on the number of serious side effects after people taking the injection. He said he would prefer to discuss this privately with the member of the House and until now, silence.

If anyone is unsure about having it just read the ingredients it's your choice.

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By *hatawasteMan
over a year ago

stafford


"I am wondering if anyone has experienced any persistent side effects from any of the vaccines. I have two friends who because of their jobs had to get vaccinated. Both in thier late 30's one Male one Female. Both got the 1st jab of AstraZeneca.

Male has had the following for 5 weeks since getting the jab:

Intermittent nausea at least once a day lasting up to an hour. Intermittent loss of appetite. And low mood.

Female has had the following, bouts of pressure in the left side of her head ( yes i am nagging her to go to doc) and low mood.

I stess i am not anti vaccination nor part of the tin foil hat brigade, but it has me incredibly sceptical about the vaccinations.

Has anyone experienced effects lasting more than a couple of weeks?

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Had first one AZ a few weeks ago.. No side effects at all thankfully..

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By *ady LickWoman
over a year ago

Northampton Somewhere


"Boris was asked last week in the house to provide stats on the number of serious side effects after people taking the injection. He said he would prefer to discuss this privately with the member of the House and until now, silence.

If anyone is unsure about having it just read the ingredients it's your choice. "

He was also asked this evening by a member of the public if they were going to publish deaths after vaccination alongside the usual numbers. The short answer was no I believe.

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By *xploring_FunWoman
over a year ago

Visiting Scotland

There are always going to be small numbers of people who have more side effects than others.

I have a friend who had a horrendous reaction to a contraceptive pill. Life changing consequences. That doesn’t make it a dangerous medication across the board any more than some people having allergies means certain foods should be banned (there would be no foods left because everything would be banned!)

I had side effects for just over two weeks after the first dose of AZ. Extreme tiredness mostly.

The reaction to the vaccine also has to be balanced up against how ill someone would potentially be if they catch it. I know I’ll feel shot after vax 2, however I also know I’ll be in trouble if I catch covid so it’s a balanced risk.

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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago

upton wirral


"I am wondering if anyone has experienced any persistent side effects from any of the vaccines. I have two friends who because of their jobs had to get vaccinated. Both in thier late 30's one Male one Female. Both got the 1st jab of AstraZeneca.

Male has had the following for 5 weeks since getting the jab:

Intermittent nausea at least once a day lasting up to an hour. Intermittent loss of appetite. And low mood.

Female has had the following, bouts of pressure in the left side of her head ( yes i am nagging her to go to doc) and low mood.

I stess i am not anti vaccination nor part of the tin foil hat brigade, but it has me incredibly sceptical about the vaccinations.

Has anyone experienced effects lasting more than a couple of weeks?

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I think people are looking for faults with this great vaccine ad imagining things millions have had this vaccine and are fine as I am

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)


"There are always going to be small numbers of people who have more side effects than others.

I have a friend who had a horrendous reaction to a contraceptive pill. Life changing consequences. That doesn’t make it a dangerous medication across the board any more than some people having allergies means certain foods should be banned (there would be no foods left because everything would be banned!)

I had side effects for just over two weeks after the first dose of AZ. Extreme tiredness mostly.

The reaction to the vaccine also has to be balanced up against how ill someone would potentially be if they catch it. I know I’ll feel shot after vax 2, however I also know I’ll be in trouble if I catch covid so it’s a balanced risk. "

Yes.

If one in 1000 people die of Covid and one in a million people die of the Covid vaccine (it's less than that), then the vaccine is a better bet than risking the disease.

I say this as someone with a relative who suffered a life changing adverse reaction from a vaccine (not Covid).

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By *atnip make me purrWoman
over a year ago

Reading

One of the issues is knowing for sure that it was the vaccine and not just coincidence.

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)


"One of the issues is knowing for sure that it was the vaccine and not just coincidence."

Definitely. That was a big problem with the MMR scare.

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By *ucka39Man
over a year ago

Newcastle

As reported today it has been stated possiblity of long-term effects and will now have a health warning attached to the vaccine if anyone heard this evening on sky news by some medical professor or commissioner (female) EMBA

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By *xploring_FunWoman
over a year ago

Visiting Scotland


"There are always going to be small numbers of people who have more side effects than others.

I have a friend who had a horrendous reaction to a contraceptive pill. Life changing consequences. That doesn’t make it a dangerous medication across the board any more than some people having allergies means certain foods should be banned (there would be no foods left because everything would be banned!)

I had side effects for just over two weeks after the first dose of AZ. Extreme tiredness mostly.

The reaction to the vaccine also has to be balanced up against how ill someone would potentially be if they catch it. I know I’ll feel shot after vax 2, however I also know I’ll be in trouble if I catch covid so it’s a balanced risk.

Yes.

If one in 1000 people die of Covid and one in a million people die of the Covid vaccine (it's less than that), then the vaccine is a better bet than risking the disease.

I say this as someone with a relative who suffered a life changing adverse reaction from a vaccine (not Covid)."

Exactly.

I have narcolepsy and a couple of people in a group I’m in developed it after the swine flu jab.

Whilst there are issues round there because some data was deliberately withheld by certain parties each of them had said they’d likely have taken the swine flu vax risk anyway, and they’ve all had at least their first dose of the covid vaccine.

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)


"There are always going to be small numbers of people who have more side effects than others.

I have a friend who had a horrendous reaction to a contraceptive pill. Life changing consequences. That doesn’t make it a dangerous medication across the board any more than some people having allergies means certain foods should be banned (there would be no foods left because everything would be banned!)

I had side effects for just over two weeks after the first dose of AZ. Extreme tiredness mostly.

The reaction to the vaccine also has to be balanced up against how ill someone would potentially be if they catch it. I know I’ll feel shot after vax 2, however I also know I’ll be in trouble if I catch covid so it’s a balanced risk.

Yes.

If one in 1000 people die of Covid and one in a million people die of the Covid vaccine (it's less than that), then the vaccine is a better bet than risking the disease.

I say this as someone with a relative who suffered a life changing adverse reaction from a vaccine (not Covid).

Exactly.

I have narcolepsy and a couple of people in a group I’m in developed it after the swine flu jab.

Whilst there are issues round there because some data was deliberately withheld by certain parties each of them had said they’d likely have taken the swine flu vax risk anyway, and they’ve all had at least their first dose of the covid vaccine."

I wasn't asked to participate, but I signed up for Covid vaccine trials knowing damn well that a tiny minority of people have adverse reactions to vaccines. It's for the good of the population as a whole.

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

The side effects are generally insignificant and infrequent, apart from the very mild initial ones.

Obviously anyone can get a medical issue by coincidence after an event but it doesn't mean that there's any connection between them.

It's amazing that someone would have significant health problems and not do anything about them. If significant side effects don't get reported, there's no potential to prevent others having them or, even worse, losing their lives.

For the sufferer of major health problems, early diagnosis and treatment is preferable to leaving it too late.

I had no side effects and everyone I know has been the same. There are lots of different forum threads on the vaccines and side effects that people had, if they felt they had any.

Many GPs are offering phone appointments, so can be easy to arrange. I'd do it immediately or call NHS direct.

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By *rax and MantisCouple
over a year ago

Epsom

More chance of getting complications from the pill, than from any vaccine....

Everything you choose has a element of risk, including playing around...

I'd rather have the jab and not need it (which I have) Than regret it at a later stage...x

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central


"I am very sceptical about any new drug, and i would have no problem taking something once its in widespread use for a couple of years, and the lack of informed mainstream information is scary. Just positive spin about bleeds being one in a million events. Even the response on here shows that there are more contradictions, even if some are not life threatening. All anyone wants is the truth. "

The data is fully public, from the trials.

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)


"I am very sceptical about any new drug, and i would have no problem taking something once its in widespread use for a couple of years, and the lack of informed mainstream information is scary. Just positive spin about bleeds being one in a million events. Even the response on here shows that there are more contradictions, even if some are not life threatening. All anyone wants is the truth.

The data is fully public, from the trials. "

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By *ave-and-LouiseCouple
over a year ago

Torquay

I've had both Pfizer jabs, no side effects. 8 or 9 of us in my workplace have had both jabs now, some had Pfizer some Astra and no one has mentioned any side effects other than a couple that had the Astra jab feeling a little rough on the first evening after the Jab. There must be around a 100 people in my area (south Devon) that have had both jabs now and I've not heard of anything significant being discussed.

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By *allySlinkyWoman
over a year ago

Leeds


"Know a nurse who got first vaccine in February.. She has been suffering with a sore arm.. High blood pressure and headaches since.. Needless to say she didn't get the 2nd dose.. "

It isn't time for her to have the second dose yet !

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By *iger4uWoman
over a year ago

In my happy place

I had the AZ. Fine for 24 hours.

After that tender arm, nausea and vomiting. And one unfortunate bowel incident.

And very tired.

That lasted 4 days.

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By *ove2lickJemWoman
over a year ago

LIVERPOOL


"Know a nurse who got first vaccine in February.. She has been suffering with a sore arm.. High blood pressure and headaches since.. Needless to say she didn't get the 2nd dose.. "

Second dose wouldn't be anywhere near administered yet anyway? Trusts vary massively but rule of thumb/Boris the tw@t is 12 weeks so they wouldn't even be anywhere near to refuse eligible dates yet anyway?!

I'm a carer. I've had first dose Pfizer, second due in a few weeks. The person I care for had their second AZ today and was totally floored, none of this looks good and it makes me angry I'm forced to have it, doesn't matter good or bad, I'm FORCED to.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"There are always going to be small numbers of people who have more side effects than others.

I have a friend who had a horrendous reaction to a contraceptive pill. Life changing consequences. That doesn’t make it a dangerous medication across the board any more than some people having allergies means certain foods should be banned (there would be no foods left because everything would be banned!)

I had side effects for just over two weeks after the first dose of AZ. Extreme tiredness mostly.

The reaction to the vaccine also has to be balanced up against how ill someone would potentially be if they catch it. I know I’ll feel shot after vax 2, however I also know I’ll be in trouble if I catch covid so it’s a balanced risk.

Yes.

If one in 1000 people die of Covid and one in a million people die of the Covid vaccine (it's less than that), then the vaccine is a better bet than risking the disease.

I say this as someone with a relative who suffered a life changing adverse reaction from a vaccine (not Covid).

Exactly.

I have narcolepsy and a couple of people in a group I’m in developed it after the swine flu jab.

Whilst there are issues round there because some data was deliberately withheld by certain parties each of them had said they’d likely have taken the swine flu vax risk anyway, and they’ve all had at least their first dose of the covid vaccine.

I wasn't asked to participate, but I signed up for Covid vaccine trials knowing damn well that a tiny minority of people have adverse reactions to vaccines. It's for the good of the population as a whole."

No, the government won't give us the number of deaths or bad side effects from this injection. So we don't know

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Know a nurse who got first vaccine in February.. She has been suffering with a sore arm.. High blood pressure and headaches since.. Needless to say she didn't get the 2nd dose..

Second dose wouldn't be anywhere near administered yet anyway? Trusts vary massively but rule of thumb/Boris the tw@t is 12 weeks so they wouldn't even be anywhere near to refuse eligible dates yet anyway?!

I'm a carer. I've had first dose Pfizer, second due in a few weeks. The person I care for had their second AZ today and was totally floored, none of this looks good and it makes me angry I'm forced to have it, doesn't matter good or bad, I'm FORCED to. "

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By *eeleyWoman
over a year ago

Dudley

The risk of side effects from the vaccine is far lower than the risk covid poses, not only to our physical health and mental health but also the health of those around us. That's without mentioning the effect of covid running rampant through the population requiring more restrictions.

For me it's a no brainer and I cannot get my head around all the people constantly looking for faults with the vaccines.

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)


"The risk of side effects from the vaccine is far lower than the risk covid poses, not only to our physical health and mental health but also the health of those around us. That's without mentioning the effect of covid running rampant through the population requiring more restrictions.

For me it's a no brainer and I cannot get my head around all the people constantly looking for faults with the vaccines. "

Agreed.

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By *eeleyWoman
over a year ago

Dudley


"There are always going to be small numbers of people who have more side effects than others.

I have a friend who had a horrendous reaction to a contraceptive pill. Life changing consequences. That doesn’t make it a dangerous medication across the board any more than some people having allergies means certain foods should be banned (there would be no foods left because everything would be banned!)

I had side effects for just over two weeks after the first dose of AZ. Extreme tiredness mostly.

The reaction to the vaccine also has to be balanced up against how ill someone would potentially be if they catch it. I know I’ll feel shot after vax 2, however I also know I’ll be in trouble if I catch covid so it’s a balanced risk.

Yes.

If one in 1000 people die of Covid and one in a million people die of the Covid vaccine (it's less than that), then the vaccine is a better bet than risking the disease.

I say this as someone with a relative who suffered a life changing adverse reaction from a vaccine (not Covid).

Exactly.

I have narcolepsy and a couple of people in a group I’m in developed it after the swine flu jab.

Whilst there are issues round there because some data was deliberately withheld by certain parties each of them had said they’d likely have taken the swine flu vax risk anyway, and they’ve all had at least their first dose of the covid vaccine.

I wasn't asked to participate, but I signed up for Covid vaccine trials knowing damn well that a tiny minority of people have adverse reactions to vaccines. It's for the good of the population as a whole.

No, the government won't give us the number of deaths or bad side effects from this injection. So we don't know"

At the moment, alot of the problems people are having aren't proven to have a link to the vaccine.

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)


"There are always going to be small numbers of people who have more side effects than others.

I have a friend who had a horrendous reaction to a contraceptive pill. Life changing consequences. That doesn’t make it a dangerous medication across the board any more than some people having allergies means certain foods should be banned (there would be no foods left because everything would be banned!)

I had side effects for just over two weeks after the first dose of AZ. Extreme tiredness mostly.

The reaction to the vaccine also has to be balanced up against how ill someone would potentially be if they catch it. I know I’ll feel shot after vax 2, however I also know I’ll be in trouble if I catch covid so it’s a balanced risk.

Yes.

If one in 1000 people die of Covid and one in a million people die of the Covid vaccine (it's less than that), then the vaccine is a better bet than risking the disease.

I say this as someone with a relative who suffered a life changing adverse reaction from a vaccine (not Covid).

Exactly.

I have narcolepsy and a couple of people in a group I’m in developed it after the swine flu jab.

Whilst there are issues round there because some data was deliberately withheld by certain parties each of them had said they’d likely have taken the swine flu vax risk anyway, and they’ve all had at least their first dose of the covid vaccine.

I wasn't asked to participate, but I signed up for Covid vaccine trials knowing damn well that a tiny minority of people have adverse reactions to vaccines. It's for the good of the population as a whole.

No, the government won't give us the number of deaths or bad side effects from this injection. So we don't know

At the moment, alot of the problems people are having aren't proven to have a link to the vaccine. "

Maybe they were hit by a bus (ala with/of Covid)

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Go on to "yellow card mhra" and log/report problems there.

I struggle to move my arm post vaccination 4m ago. Cant touch back of head or back of bra, can't extend above eye level. Awaiting ultra sound scan ..I'm 8th person I know with same problem

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By *rsbrooksandjohnCouple
over a year ago

Swansea

Mrs b was under the weather for about 48hrs after her 1st. I had a sore armpit and mild headache the day after. Both my parents have had their 2 jabs with no side effects at all.but they think they may have had covid back in february last year. I also tested possitive for covid in december last year but had a headache only (would usually not have been enough to keep me off work but felt it was better to be safe than sorry so had a test). So maybe there is a link to people who were asymptomatic and no side ecfects

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By *litterbabeWoman
over a year ago

hiding from cock pics.

My dad was fine but my brother who is half his age has suffered for 3 weeks feeling really tired and rundown, after his first vaccination.

He hasn't been able to manage a full days work yet but does feel a bit better now than he did in week one.

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By *he FAB Social - MCRCouple (FF)
over a year ago

manchester

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By *xploring_FunWoman
over a year ago

Visiting Scotland


"There are always going to be small numbers of people who have more side effects than others.

I have a friend who had a horrendous reaction to a contraceptive pill. Life changing consequences. That doesn’t make it a dangerous medication across the board any more than some people having allergies means certain foods should be banned (there would be no foods left because everything would be banned!)

I had side effects for just over two weeks after the first dose of AZ. Extreme tiredness mostly.

The reaction to the vaccine also has to be balanced up against how ill someone would potentially be if they catch it. I know I’ll feel shot after vax 2, however I also know I’ll be in trouble if I catch covid so it’s a balanced risk.

Yes.

If one in 1000 people die of Covid and one in a million people die of the Covid vaccine (it's less than that), then the vaccine is a better bet than risking the disease.

I say this as someone with a relative who suffered a life changing adverse reaction from a vaccine (not Covid).

Exactly.

I have narcolepsy and a couple of people in a group I’m in developed it after the swine flu jab.

Whilst there are issues round there because some data was deliberately withheld by certain parties each of them had said they’d likely have taken the swine flu vax risk anyway, and they’ve all had at least their first dose of the covid vaccine.

I wasn't asked to participate, but I signed up for Covid vaccine trials knowing damn well that a tiny minority of people have adverse reactions to vaccines. It's for the good of the population as a whole.

No, the government won't give us the number of deaths or bad side effects from this injection. So we don't know"

Until they know they can’t give us figures.

There are no deaths yet that have been proven to be from the vaccine. That’s not hiding numbers, that’s not having numbers available.

The two are not the same.

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By *xploring_FunWoman
over a year ago

Visiting Scotland

A lot of this is reminding me a lot of the kerfuffle when the male contraceptive pill was trialled.

It’s amazing how the same side effects, and pretty much same chance of them, were seen as utterly unacceptable in the male pill, yet they are commonly accepted in the female contraceptive pill.

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

What I find amazing is that much of what we think of as an illness is just our body's natural healthy processes, not something like an infection .

I've blamed infections so much in the past, when it's just been my healthy body at work

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By *imes_berksMan
over a year ago

Bracknell


"A lot of this is reminding me a lot of the kerfuffle when the male contraceptive pill was trialled.

It’s amazing how the same side effects, and pretty much same chance of them, were seen as utterly unacceptable in the male pill, yet they are commonly accepted in the female contraceptive pill.

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but it’s well known that man flu is much worse than normal flu

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Hi I had my first Astra zen jab to day bit of a headache and sane shivering hopefully it pass

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By *olly_chromaticTV/TS
over a year ago

Stockport

Question for the microbiologists and others following the virus science: has there been any investigation of correlation between duration/intensity of vaccine after-effects and family history of serious covid effects? As in, is there any suggestions at all of genetic susceptibility to increased danger from covid? And if so, is there a possibility that those being badly affected by vaccination could be the ones that would have had even worse symptoms from full-on covid?

It seems reasonable to me (but I am most definitely NOT an expert in virology) that if just a tiny amount of gunk mimicking the virus spikes can make somebody very ill, then there is a good chance that a dose of the real thing multiplying itself up inside their body would have put them in hospital or worse.

Could well be that anybody cursing their luck at feeling poorly after the jab, should actually be celebrating getting protected -because proper covid would have killed or crippled them.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I am wondering if anyone has experienced any persistent side effects from any of the vaccines. I have two friends who because of their jobs had to get vaccinated. Both in thier late 30's one Male one Female. Both got the 1st jab of AstraZeneca.

Male has had the following for 5 weeks since getting the jab:

Intermittent nausea at least once a day lasting up to an hour. Intermittent loss of appetite. And low mood.

Female has had the following, bouts of pressure in the left side of her head ( yes i am nagging her to go to doc) and low mood.

I stess i am not anti vaccination nor part of the tin foil hat brigade, but it has me incredibly sceptical about the vaccinations.

Has anyone experienced effects lasting more than a couple of weeks?

"

I have.

Happy for you to pm me.

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By *ncubus XMan
over a year ago

midlands - glasgow - islands

No just loads of crap long term effects from having Covid!

Since November it’s crap!

Get the jab FFS!

Covid is a piece of shit!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I am very sceptical about any new drug, and i would have no problem taking something once its in widespread use for a couple of years, and the lack of informed mainstream information is scary. Just positive spin about bleeds being one in a million events. Even the response on here shows that there are more contradictions, even if some are not life threatening. All anyone wants is the truth. "

There is a Yellow Card Scheme in place for people to register any adverse reactions to the vacinne. Unfortunately, this is not true data as there are a lot of people unaware of the scheme. I truly believe that everyone who has the vacinne should be asked to register to the scheme even if it is to tick a "no reaction" box. The government are quick to let us know the death figures and positive cases daily but they don't seem to be pushing for true data regarding issues with the vacinne.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Any longterm side effects or other than expected must be reported to the Medicines and Healthcare products Regulatory Agency through their Yellow Card mobile app or website. Rather than just chatting about it here please ... and obviously talk to your Dr as well

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By *atnip make me purrWoman
over a year ago

Reading


"Go on to "yellow card mhra" and log/report problems there.

I struggle to move my arm post vaccination 4m ago. Cant touch back of head or back of bra, can't extend above eye level. Awaiting ultra sound scan ..I'm 8th person I know with same problem"

I have frozen shoulder and its exactly like this but for me predates the jab. Had it in my left arm then my right. Luckily i work from home and so can go bra less because i can't for the life of me get one on. It is a very, very common condition for the over 40s.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Go on to "yellow card mhra" and log/report problems there.

I struggle to move my arm post vaccination 4m ago. Cant touch back of head or back of bra, can't extend above eye level. Awaiting ultra sound scan ..I'm 8th person I know with same problem

I have frozen shoulder and its exactly like this but for me predates the jab. Had it in my left arm then my right. Luckily i work from home and so can go bra less because i can't for the life of me get one on. It is a very, very common condition for the over 40s."

Ladies over 40 and can be successfully treated fortunately!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I am very sceptical about any new drug, and i would have no problem taking something once its in widespread use for a couple of years, and the lack of informed mainstream information is scary. Just positive spin about bleeds being one in a million events. Even the response on here shows that there are more contradictions, even if some are not life threatening. All anyone wants is the truth. "
they not going to tell you the truth anyway they want people to have the jab they dont care thats why you cant get any compensation from them

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)


"I am very sceptical about any new drug, and i would have no problem taking something once its in widespread use for a couple of years, and the lack of informed mainstream information is scary. Just positive spin about bleeds being one in a million events. Even the response on here shows that there are more contradictions, even if some are not life threatening. All anyone wants is the truth. they not going to tell you the truth anyway they want people to have the jab they dont care thats why you cant get any compensation from them"

Like that compensation scheme that absolutely doesn't exist?

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By *inky_couple2020Couple
over a year ago

North West


"Question for the microbiologists and others following the virus science: has there been any investigation of correlation between duration/intensity of vaccine after-effects and family history of serious covid effects? As in, is there any suggestions at all of genetic susceptibility to increased danger from covid? And if so, is there a possibility that those being badly affected by vaccination could be the ones that would have had even worse symptoms from full-on covid?

It seems reasonable to me (but I am most definitely NOT an expert in virology) that if just a tiny amount of gunk mimicking the virus spikes can make somebody very ill, then there is a good chance that a dose of the real thing multiplying itself up inside their body would have put them in hospital or worse.

Could well be that anybody cursing their luck at feeling poorly after the jab, should actually be celebrating getting protected -because proper covid would have killed or crippled them."

Polly, I am not aware of any data on that at the present moment, but is not beyond the realms of possibility as a phenomenon.

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By *oved Up 2Couple
over a year ago

nottingham

We are currently delivering 2nd AZ vaccines at the vaccination centre I work at. Majority of patients are reporting no side effects whatsoever from their 1st. A few are saying they felt off for a couple of days.

Personally I've had both mine. 1st one sore arm, 2nd nothing at all other than the best night's sleep I've had in years. Hubby had his 1st with no issues

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)


"We are currently delivering 2nd AZ vaccines at the vaccination centre I work at. Majority of patients are reporting no side effects whatsoever from their 1st. A few are saying they felt off for a couple of days.

Personally I've had both mine. 1st one sore arm, 2nd nothing at all other than the best night's sleep I've had in years. Hubby had his 1st with no issues"

Thank you for what you do

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Go on to "yellow card mhra" and log/report problems there.

I struggle to move my arm post vaccination 4m ago. Cant touch back of head or back of bra, can't extend above eye level. Awaiting ultra sound scan ..I'm 8th person I know with same problem"

I'm struggling with this too, I can't hold any weight in the arm I had the vaccine in. Been like that since first jab. Had my second now and its still as bad!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I am wondering if anyone has experienced any persistent side effects from any of the vaccines. I have two friends who because of their jobs had to get vaccinated. Both in thier late 30's one Male one Female. Both got the 1st jab of AstraZeneca.

Male has had the following for 5 weeks since getting the jab:

Intermittent nausea at least once a day lasting up to an hour. Intermittent loss of appetite. And low mood.

Female has had the following, bouts of pressure in the left side of her head ( yes i am nagging her to go to doc) and low mood.

I stess i am not anti vaccination nor part of the tin foil hat brigade, but it has me incredibly sceptical about the vaccinations.

Has anyone experienced effects lasting more than a couple of weeks?

I think people are looking for faults with this great vaccine ad imagining things millions have had this vaccine and are fine as I am"

Exactly, it’s quite bizarre how folks see the picture of the world to suit themselves. They seem to see the vaccine, lockdowns and any other efforts to combat the virus as having a hidden agenda etc. The few negative anecdotes are all far more interesting to them than the millions of success stories.

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By *iobhan123Woman
over a year ago

Deal


"Know a nurse who got first vaccine in February.. She has been suffering with a sore arm.. High blood pressure and headaches since.. Needless to say she didn't get the 2nd dose..

Second dose wouldn't be anywhere near administered yet anyway? Trusts vary massively but rule of thumb/Boris the tw@t is 12 weeks so they wouldn't even be anywhere near to refuse eligible dates yet anyway?!

I'm a carer. I've had first dose Pfizer, second due in a few weeks. The person I care for had their second AZ today and was totally floored, none of this looks good and it makes me angry I'm forced to have it, doesn't matter good or bad, I'm FORCED to. "

We have so much of the vaccine, we are doing second dose AZ for anyone who had their first dose in February, 8-12 weeks is the manufacturer guidance

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By *oncupiscence73Woman
over a year ago

South


"I am wondering if anyone has experienced any persistent side effects from any of the vaccines. I have two friends who because of their jobs had to get vaccinated. Both in thier late 30's one Male one Female. Both got the 1st jab of AstraZeneca.

Male has had the following for 5 weeks since getting the jab:

Intermittent nausea at least once a day lasting up to an hour. Intermittent loss of appetite. And low mood.

Female has had the following, bouts of pressure in the left side of her head ( yes i am nagging her to go to doc) and low mood.

I stess i am not anti vaccination nor part of the tin foil hat brigade, but it has me incredibly sceptical about the vaccinations.

Has anyone experienced effects lasting more than a couple of weeks?

"

I don’t know anyone who has had long term side effects ... I know hundreds who have low mood though - don’t we all atm?

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By *oncupiscence73Woman
over a year ago

South


"I am wondering if anyone has experienced any persistent side effects from any of the vaccines. I have two friends who because of their jobs had to get vaccinated. Both in thier late 30's one Male one Female. Both got the 1st jab of AstraZeneca.

Male has had the following for 5 weeks since getting the jab:

Intermittent nausea at least once a day lasting up to an hour. Intermittent loss of appetite. And low mood.

Female has had the following, bouts of pressure in the left side of her head ( yes i am nagging her to go to doc) and low mood.

I stess i am not anti vaccination nor part of the tin foil hat brigade, but it has me incredibly sceptical about the vaccinations.

Has anyone experienced effects lasting more than a couple of weeks?

I think people are looking for faults with this great vaccine ad imagining things millions have had this vaccine and are fine as I am

Exactly, it’s quite bizarre how folks see the picture of the world to suit themselves. They seem to see the vaccine, lockdowns and any other efforts to combat the virus as having a hidden agenda etc. The few negative anecdotes are all far more interesting to them than the millions of success stories. "

This!! Seeing my mum have the confidence to go to the coop after being cooped up indoors for a year I’ll take all the side effect you have thank you.

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By *oncupiscence73Woman
over a year ago

South


"We are currently delivering 2nd AZ vaccines at the vaccination centre I work at. Majority of patients are reporting no side effects whatsoever from their 1st. A few are saying they felt off for a couple of days.

Personally I've had both mine. 1st one sore arm, 2nd nothing at all other than the best night's sleep I've had in years. Hubby had his 1st with no issues"

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By *oncupiscence73Woman
over a year ago

South


"There are always going to be small numbers of people who have more side effects than others.

I have a friend who had a horrendous reaction to a contraceptive pill. Life changing consequences. That doesn’t make it a dangerous medication across the board any more than some people having allergies means certain foods should be banned (there would be no foods left because everything would be banned!)

I had side effects for just over two weeks after the first dose of AZ. Extreme tiredness mostly.

The reaction to the vaccine also has to be balanced up against how ill someone would potentially be if they catch it. I know I’ll feel shot after vax 2, however I also know I’ll be in trouble if I catch covid so it’s a balanced risk.

Yes.

If one in 1000 people die of Covid and one in a million people die of the Covid vaccine (it's less than that), then the vaccine is a better bet than risking the disease.

I say this as someone with a relative who suffered a life changing adverse reaction from a vaccine (not Covid).

Exactly.

I have narcolepsy and a couple of people in a group I’m in developed it after the swine flu jab.

Whilst there are issues round there because some data was deliberately withheld by certain parties each of them had said they’d likely have taken the swine flu vax risk anyway, and they’ve all had at least their first dose of the covid vaccine.

I wasn't asked to participate, but I signed up for Covid vaccine trials knowing damn well that a tiny minority of people have adverse reactions to vaccines. It's for the good of the population as a whole.

No, the government won't give us the number of deaths or bad side effects from this injection. So we don't know"

I’ve got some numbers ... 130,000 dead 1.1 million long covid. A sore arm doesn’t really compare

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

Bad effects will happen. Humans do fixate on these things - but overall these are very safe.

If bad things happen talk to your doctor.

If you're concerned about bad things happening talk to your doctor.

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By *rotic-TouchTV/TS
over a year ago

doncaster

I've had both Pfizer shots and have had no I'll effects other than a sore arm for about 12 hours

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By *hagTonightMan
over a year ago

From the land of haribos.

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By *hagTonightMan
over a year ago

From the land of haribos.

Time will tell, to see what will happen.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

One of my friends had the jab and has horrendous headaches daily since. She’s had to take a ton of time off work since.

I won’t be getting the jab any time soon.

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By *iobhan123Woman
over a year ago

Deal

Both Pfizer jabs and worked all day at the vaccination site, no side effects whatsoever

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By *ypriotMaleMan
over a year ago

Cyprus / London

I had pfizer, no issues a part from being more horny

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central


"Time will tell, to see what will happen."

We've already got a very good picture Shag. 757,352,008 vaccine shots have been given around the world - pretty much 760 million vaccine injections

Compared to those hundreds of millions, there are almost no serious issues

Immunity is generally very good for these people, especially after the 2nd dose, which some require. In some countries and areas infection levels are in decline, with the vaccinated people thus less likely to get infected, die or get seriously ill, potentially with lifelong disabilities, such as from organ failure. Those areas are increasingly safer for all people. People who have the vaccine are helping everyone, including those unfortunately not able to have the vaccine. It's community spirited and is a natural, healthy desire to help others less fortunate than ourselves.

That the so called side effects are predominantly because a person gets a thin bit of metal poked through their skin and they get some soreness or because a person's immune system gets to work, perhaps making them a little more tired, for example, shouldn't be much to think about - our immune system creates responses to new things all the time; with this, it's an immune response that's not caused by something bad but by something that is good. We don't get an illness, we get a natural immune response. We should celebrate the wonders of our own body when this happens. We feel a little poorly because we are so healthy.

Almost 800 million injections given. This is phenomenal. Data from the trials is fully available and longer term progression of the illness and vaccination programme will be available too. For now, the important thing is to get safer communities again, including the swinging community.

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By *inky_couple2020Couple
over a year ago

North West

^^^What Sophie said

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By *host63Man
over a year ago

Bedfont Feltham

Sore arm slight headache mild fever.

Compared to full bore covid I will take it.

My sister has a mild fuse in Jan. She still gets out of breath going up the stairs.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I was poorly for about 3 weeks post jab with headaches, fatigue, muscle aches, decreased appetite and abdominal pains. 4th week still had decreased appetite and muscle aches but definitely felt better.

Docs weren't interested unless I suffered dizzyness, pins and needles and numbness and was advised to ring 999 straight away.

Reported all effects to the Yellow Card scheme.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I am wondering if anyone has experienced any persistent side effects from any of the vaccines. I have two friends who because of their jobs had to get vaccinated. Both in thier late 30's one Male one Female. Both got the 1st jab of AstraZeneca.

Male has had the following for 5 weeks since getting the jab:

Intermittent nausea at least once a day lasting up to an hour. Intermittent loss of appetite. And low mood.

Female has had the following, bouts of pressure in the left side of her head ( yes i am nagging her to go to doc) and low mood.

I stess i am not anti vaccination nor part of the tin foil hat brigade, but it has me incredibly sceptical about the vaccinations.

Has anyone experienced effects lasting more than a couple of weeks?

"

It sounds odd... if they are frontliners as you said then they’d be double dosed by now surely?

Side effects usually show quickly and disappear, what you describe isn’t really fitting with any of the known side effects from any of the vacinne a tbh.

They should go to a doctor, simple as that.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I am wondering if anyone has experienced any persistent side effects from any of the vaccines. I have two friends who because of their jobs had to get vaccinated. Both in thier late 30's one Male one Female. Both got the 1st jab of AstraZeneca.

Male has had the following for 5 weeks since getting the jab:

Intermittent nausea at least once a day lasting up to an hour. Intermittent loss of appetite. And low mood.

Female has had the following, bouts of pressure in the left side of her head ( yes i am nagging her to go to doc) and low mood.

I stess i am not anti vaccination nor part of the tin foil hat brigade, but it has me incredibly sceptical about the vaccinations.

Has anyone experienced effects lasting more than a couple of weeks?

"

SOme dizziness but not half as bad as the ones I had after the Covid19 last march, tiredness and vertigo for a couple of months

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By *oncupiscence73Woman
over a year ago

South


"Time will tell, to see what will happen.

We've already got a very good picture Shag. 757,352,008 vaccine shots have been given around the world - pretty much 760 million vaccine injections

Compared to those hundreds of millions, there are almost no serious issues

Immunity is generally very good for these people, especially after the 2nd dose, which some require. In some countries and areas infection levels are in decline, with the vaccinated people thus less likely to get infected, die or get seriously ill, potentially with lifelong disabilities, such as from organ failure. Those areas are increasingly safer for all people. People who have the vaccine are helping everyone, including those unfortunately not able to have the vaccine. It's community spirited and is a natural, healthy desire to help others less fortunate than ourselves.

That the so called side effects are predominantly because a person gets a thin bit of metal poked through their skin and they get some soreness or because a person's immune system gets to work, perhaps making them a little more tired, for example, shouldn't be much to think about - our immune system creates responses to new things all the time; with this, it's an immune response that's not caused by something bad but by something that is good. We don't get an illness, we get a natural immune response. We should celebrate the wonders of our own body when this happens. We feel a little poorly because we are so healthy.

Almost 800 million injections given. This is phenomenal. Data from the trials is fully available and longer term progression of the illness and vaccination programme will be available too. For now, the important thing is to get safer communities again, including the swinging community. "

This!!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Time will tell, to see what will happen.

We've already got a very good picture Shag. 757,352,008 vaccine shots have been given around the world - pretty much 760 million vaccine injections

Compared to those hundreds of millions, there are almost no serious issues

Immunity is generally very good for these people, especially after the 2nd dose, which some require. In some countries and areas infection levels are in decline, with the vaccinated people thus less likely to get infected, die or get seriously ill, potentially with lifelong disabilities, such as from organ failure. Those areas are increasingly safer for all people. People who have the vaccine are helping everyone, including those unfortunately not able to have the vaccine. It's community spirited and is a natural, healthy desire to help others less fortunate than ourselves.

That the so called side effects are predominantly because a person gets a thin bit of metal poked through their skin and they get some soreness or because a person's immune system gets to work, perhaps making them a little more tired, for example, shouldn't be much to think about - our immune system creates responses to new things all the time; with this, it's an immune response that's not caused by something bad but by something that is good. We don't get an illness, we get a natural immune response. We should celebrate the wonders of our own body when this happens. We feel a little poorly because we are so healthy.

Almost 800 million injections given. This is phenomenal. Data from the trials is fully available and longer term progression of the illness and vaccination programme will be available too. For now, the important thing is to get safer communities again, including the swinging community. "

I think when he said time will tell he more towards timeline I.e a few years

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

No issues at all, afterwards. Much better to have the jab than to catch Covid, as a general rule.

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By *hagTonightMan
over a year ago

From the land of haribos.


"Time will tell, to see what will happen.

We've already got a very good picture Shag. 757,352,008 vaccine shots have been given around the world - pretty much 760 million vaccine injections

Compared to those hundreds of millions, there are almost no serious issues

Immunity is generally very good for these people, especially after the 2nd dose, which some require. In some countries and areas infection levels are in decline, with the vaccinated people thus less likely to get infected, die or get seriously ill, potentially with lifelong disabilities, such as from organ failure. Those areas are increasingly safer for all people. People who have the vaccine are helping everyone, including those unfortunately not able to have the vaccine. It's community spirited and is a natural, healthy desire to help others less fortunate than ourselves.

That the so called side effects are predominantly because a person gets a thin bit of metal poked through their skin and they get some soreness or because a person's immune system gets to work, perhaps making them a little more tired, for example, shouldn't be much to think about - our immune system creates responses to new things all the time; with this, it's an immune response that's not caused by something bad but by something that is good. We don't get an illness, we get a natural immune response. We should celebrate the wonders of our own body when this happens. We feel a little poorly because we are so healthy.

Almost 800 million injections given. This is phenomenal. Data from the trials is fully available and longer term progression of the illness and vaccination programme will be available too. For now, the important thing is to get safer communities again, including the swinging community.

I think when he said time will tell he more towards timeline I.e a few years "
That is right. I did mean to see what happens in a few years time, when one can more accurately asses how it goes.

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By *eeleyWoman
over a year ago

Dudley

A question for those people that want to wait years, are you happy to be in lockdown for all that time?

If everyone decided to wait a few years covid would run rampant through the world killing and causing disabilities for a huge number of people, or are you hoping those of us that are having the vaccine will protect you?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"A question for those people that want to wait years, are you happy to be in lockdown for all that time?

If everyone decided to wait a few years covid would run rampant through the world killing and causing disabilities for a huge number of people, or are you hoping those of us that are having the vaccine will protect you? "

i have another one , if the yet unknown long term side effects of the vaccine worry you, how do you feel about the long term as yet unknown side effects of having the virus

how long dd it take us to realise chicken pox later caused shingles, that hpv could later cause cancer? what is unknown is not exclusive to a vaccine

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By *ardiffCoupleNJCouple
over a year ago

Pontypridd/Rhyfelin

Nothing for first 12 hours then moderate flu symptoms for one day then woke up next morning absolutely fine wondering whether I'd even imagined the flu symptoms....

Nothing since.

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By *eeleyWoman
over a year ago

Dudley


"A question for those people that want to wait years, are you happy to be in lockdown for all that time?

If everyone decided to wait a few years covid would run rampant through the world killing and causing disabilities for a huge number of people, or are you hoping those of us that are having the vaccine will protect you?

i have another one , if the yet unknown long term side effects of the vaccine worry you, how do you feel about the long term as yet unknown side effects of having the virus

how long dd it take us to realise chicken pox later caused shingles, that hpv could later cause cancer? what is unknown is not exclusive to a vaccine "

Exactly, we have already seen evidence of severe long term health issues from covid, why risk that but not risk the vaccine? It boggles my mind.

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By *jonesMan
over a year ago

Plymouth


"my sister had the vaccine......she grew what we thought was a third leg first, then got a pronounces adams apple and asked to be called Dave

jokes aside, we should listen to the true professionals and listen to them and make an informed decision as to whether to progress with taking a vaccine. none of us are experts in this field"

Doctors have a tendency to hear what they want to hear or are familiar with...and also in many of the enquiries into medical mishaps a recurring theme is not being listened to and also no body or group takes an overview (until it's to late) and joining the dots ...I'm not antivax...but I am slightly nervous...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"my sister had the vaccine......she grew what we thought was a third leg first, then got a pronounces adams apple and asked to be called Dave

jokes aside, we should listen to the true professionals and listen to them and make an informed decision as to whether to progress with taking a vaccine. none of us are experts in this field

Doctors have a tendency to hear what they want to hear or are familiar with...and also in many of the enquiries into medical mishaps a recurring theme is not being listened to and also no body or group takes an overview (until it's to late) and joining the dots ...I'm not antivax...but I am slightly nervous..."

every human has confirmational bias built into our psychology - its not exclusive to doctors , its why scientific studies are repeated and they have control groups and give some people placebos etc

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By *uenevereWoman
over a year ago

Scunthorpe

I'm not aware of anyone who has had any longer term side effects from the vaccine.

My dad and a colleague had short term mild flu symptoms, the rest of those I know had a slightly sore arm, as did we.

OP, as others have said, you need to speak to your GP. When I was vaccinated, I was advised to seek medical advice, if I had any side effects lasting more than a few days.

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)


"my sister had the vaccine......she grew what we thought was a third leg first, then got a pronounces adams apple and asked to be called Dave

jokes aside, we should listen to the true professionals and listen to them and make an informed decision as to whether to progress with taking a vaccine. none of us are experts in this field

Doctors have a tendency to hear what they want to hear or are familiar with...and also in many of the enquiries into medical mishaps a recurring theme is not being listened to and also no body or group takes an overview (until it's to late) and joining the dots ...I'm not antivax...but I am slightly nervous...

every human has confirmational bias built into our psychology - its not exclusive to doctors , its why scientific studies are repeated and they have control groups and give some people placebos etc "

Yes. The studies and data are designed to eliminate official bias.

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By *eoeclipseWoman
over a year ago

glasgow


"my sister had the vaccine......she grew what we thought was a third leg first, then got a pronounces adams apple and asked to be called Dave

jokes aside, we should listen to the true professionals and listen to them and make an informed decision as to whether to progress with taking a vaccine. none of us are experts in this field

Doctors have a tendency to hear what they want to hear or are familiar with...and also in many of the enquiries into medical mishaps a recurring theme is not being listened to and also no body or group takes an overview (until it's to late) and joining the dots ...I'm not antivax...but I am slightly nervous...

every human has confirmational bias built into our psychology - its not exclusive to doctors , its why scientific studies are repeated and they have control groups and give some people placebos etc

Yes. The studies and data are designed to eliminate official bias."

No, they are not, they are funded by big pharma or whom ever has funded the study for the data.

23&me were caught handing over gene data to one of the big pharma firms in usa in 2019, many of the other genealogy companies have too (whom are all trying to close the gaps in their records and willing to allow fbi & like of to go through data without consent)...read t&c's.

There is reports coming out of US of women's cycles & miscarrages being affected. there will be plenty of others hidden away especially since pharmas have anonymity from all damages. There is nothing on our news about any negative side affects, twitter is quiet on that front too, so who knows what's really going on with the volumes or what they are, no one is saying or its being squashed.

Atm there is no way to tell or predict the true long term effects of the vaccine until that time has already passed,

you either have to trust gov/big pharma not to get it wrong & be willing to be affected with no come back or don't get the vaccine yet. That is your choice entirely and cannot be forced or coerced.

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By *uy4swingingMan
over a year ago

Gloucestershire

The only serious side effects I have had since my first jab is sheer joy of being protected and feeling really good about it. Thank goodness for science amd these brilliant vaccines. Highly recommend it for your own health, your family and friends too.

Let’s beat the virus by getting jabbed and start enjoying fabulous swinging again.

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central


"my sister had the vaccine......she grew what we thought was a third leg first, then got a pronounces adams apple and asked to be called Dave

jokes aside, we should listen to the true professionals and listen to them and make an informed decision as to whether to progress with taking a vaccine. none of us are experts in this field

Doctors have a tendency to hear what they want to hear or are familiar with...and also in many of the enquiries into medical mishaps a recurring theme is not being listened to and also no body or group takes an overview (until it's to late) and joining the dots ...I'm not antivax...but I am slightly nervous..."

The good thing is that all Doctors are aware of the side effects reporting system and use it. They will do this out of caution, responsibility, a duty of care to their patients and the wider community. If they have a patient with particularly troubling symptoms, they will not exclusively assume it to be due to a side effect but will certainly not exclude it. Symptoms that persist for an extended period will be of concern to all Drs and they will want the best for their patients.

The vast majority of side effects will occur fairly soon after a vaccination. In a couple of years, we will probably have several new vaccines and I'm curious about the other people, such as Shag, who are thinking of waiting for a couple of years due to them being new. Each 1 will be different and they could forever be waiting for another few years, as new ones get launched. We've had incredibly thorough testing and 1st year vaccinations approaching 1 billion - nothing has ever had such detailed testing, evaluation and scrutiny. There comes a time when, with a severe illness, people have to progress, for the greater good. We cannot stay stuck, in a potential situation like India has and just do nothing, as some seem to wish for but don't offer a better solution. At no point in our species' history have we had such amazing potential to make such astounding levels of change.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Go on to "yellow card mhra" and log/report problems there.

I struggle to move my arm post vaccination 4m ago. Cant touch back of head or back of bra, can't extend above eye level. Awaiting ultra sound scan ..I'm 8th person I know with same problem

I have frozen shoulder and its exactly like this but for me predates the jab. Had it in my left arm then my right. Luckily i work from home and so can go bra less because i can't for the life of me get one on. It is a very, very common condition for the over 40s.

Ladies over 40 and can be successfully treated fortunately! "

Luckily not frozen shoulder

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By *eeleyWoman
over a year ago

Dudley


"my sister had the vaccine......she grew what we thought was a third leg first, then got a pronounces adams apple and asked to be called Dave

jokes aside, we should listen to the true professionals and listen to them and make an informed decision as to whether to progress with taking a vaccine. none of us are experts in this field

Doctors have a tendency to hear what they want to hear or are familiar with...and also in many of the enquiries into medical mishaps a recurring theme is not being listened to and also no body or group takes an overview (until it's to late) and joining the dots ...I'm not antivax...but I am slightly nervous...

every human has confirmational bias built into our psychology - its not exclusive to doctors , its why scientific studies are repeated and they have control groups and give some people placebos etc

Yes. The studies and data are designed to eliminate official bias.

No, they are not, they are funded by big pharma or whom ever has funded the study for the data.

23&me were caught handing over gene data to one of the big pharma firms in usa in 2019, many of the other genealogy companies have too (whom are all trying to close the gaps in their records and willing to allow fbi & like of to go through data without consent)...read t&c's.

There is reports coming out of US of women's cycles & miscarrages being affected. there will be plenty of others hidden away especially since pharmas have anonymity from all damages. There is nothing on our news about any negative side affects, twitter is quiet on that front too, so who knows what's really going on with the volumes or what they are, no one is saying or its being squashed.

Atm there is no way to tell or predict the true long term effects of the vaccine until that time has already passed,

you either have to trust gov/big pharma not to get it wrong & be willing to be affected with no come back or don't get the vaccine yet. That is your choice entirely and cannot be forced or coerced."

Are you willing to sit in lockdown until that time has passed?

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)


"my sister had the vaccine......she grew what we thought was a third leg first, then got a pronounces adams apple and asked to be called Dave

jokes aside, we should listen to the true professionals and listen to them and make an informed decision as to whether to progress with taking a vaccine. none of us are experts in this field

Doctors have a tendency to hear what they want to hear or are familiar with...and also in many of the enquiries into medical mishaps a recurring theme is not being listened to and also no body or group takes an overview (until it's to late) and joining the dots ...I'm not antivax...but I am slightly nervous...

every human has confirmational bias built into our psychology - its not exclusive to doctors , its why scientific studies are repeated and they have control groups and give some people placebos etc

Yes. The studies and data are designed to eliminate official bias.

No, they are not, they are funded by big pharma or whom ever has funded the study for the data.

23&me were caught handing over gene data to one of the big pharma firms in usa in 2019, many of the other genealogy companies have too (whom are all trying to close the gaps in their records and willing to allow fbi & like of to go through data without consent)...read t&c's.

There is reports coming out of US of women's cycles & miscarrages being affected. there will be plenty of others hidden away especially since pharmas have anonymity from all damages. There is nothing on our news about any negative side affects, twitter is quiet on that front too, so who knows what's really going on with the volumes or what they are, no one is saying or its being squashed.

Atm there is no way to tell or predict the true long term effects of the vaccine until that time has already passed,

you either have to trust gov/big pharma not to get it wrong & be willing to be affected with no come back or don't get the vaccine yet. That is your choice entirely and cannot be forced or coerced."

... Look into how studies work.

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By *eoeclipseWoman
over a year ago

glasgow


"my sister had the vaccine......she grew what we thought was a third leg first, then got a pronounces adams apple and asked to be called Dave

jokes aside, we should listen to the true professionals and listen to them and make an informed decision as to whether to progress with taking a vaccine. none of us are experts in this field

Doctors have a tendency to hear what they want to hear or are familiar with...and also in many of the enquiries into medical mishaps a recurring theme is not being listened to and also no body or group takes an overview (until it's to late) and joining the dots ...I'm not antivax...but I am slightly nervous...

every human has confirmational bias built into our psychology - its not exclusive to doctors , its why scientific studies are repeated and they have control groups and give some people placebos etc

Yes. The studies and data are designed to eliminate official bias.

No, they are not, they are funded by big pharma or whom ever has funded the study for the data.

23&me were caught handing over gene data to one of the big pharma firms in usa in 2019, many of the other genealogy companies have too (whom are all trying to close the gaps in their records and willing to allow fbi & like of to go through data without consent)...read t&c's.

There is reports coming out of US of women's cycles & miscarrages being affected. there will be plenty of others hidden away especially since pharmas have anonymity from all damages. There is nothing on our news about any negative side affects, twitter is quiet on that front too, so who knows what's really going on with the volumes or what they are, no one is saying or its being squashed.

Atm there is no way to tell or predict the true long term effects of the vaccine until that time has already passed,

you either have to trust gov/big pharma not to get it wrong & be willing to be affected with no come back or don't get the vaccine yet. That is your choice entirely and cannot be forced or coerced.

Are you willing to sit in lockdown until that time has passed? "

Nope & i'm a free human being always have been, always will be, i am not being locked up for doing nothing wrong other than being an organic human being.

You can keep your homosapienophobias to yourself, i do not need to prove i or anyone else is healthy to live a normal life & the fear driven insanity needs to stop.

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By *eoeclipseWoman
over a year ago

glasgow


"my sister had the vaccine......she grew what we thought was a third leg first, then got a pronounces adams apple and asked to be called Dave

jokes aside, we should listen to the true professionals and listen to them and make an informed decision as to whether to progress with taking a vaccine. none of us are experts in this field

Doctors have a tendency to hear what they want to hear or are familiar with...and also in many of the enquiries into medical mishaps a recurring theme is not being listened to and also no body or group takes an overview (until it's to late) and joining the dots ...I'm not antivax...but I am slightly nervous...

every human has confirmational bias built into our psychology - its not exclusive to doctors , its why scientific studies are repeated and they have control groups and give some people placebos etc

Yes. The studies and data are designed to eliminate official bias.

No, they are not, they are funded by big pharma or whom ever has funded the study for the data.

23&me were caught handing over gene data to one of the big pharma firms in usa in 2019, many of the other genealogy companies have too (whom are all trying to close the gaps in their records and willing to allow fbi & like of to go through data without consent)...read t&c's.

There is reports coming out of US of women's cycles & miscarrages being affected. there will be plenty of others hidden away especially since pharmas have anonymity from all damages. There is nothing on our news about any negative side affects, twitter is quiet on that front too, so who knows what's really going on with the volumes or what they are, no one is saying or its being squashed.

Atm there is no way to tell or predict the true long term effects of the vaccine until that time has already passed,

you either have to trust gov/big pharma not to get it wrong & be willing to be affected with no come back or don't get the vaccine yet. That is your choice entirely and cannot be forced or coerced.

... Look into how studies work."

Its called following the money, that way you find true purpose & persons behind it. It is always money, they dont develop stuff for free nor to expect it to be delivered out of goodwill to the fellow human.

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)


"my sister had the vaccine......she grew what we thought was a third leg first, then got a pronounces adams apple and asked to be called Dave

jokes aside, we should listen to the true professionals and listen to them and make an informed decision as to whether to progress with taking a vaccine. none of us are experts in this field

Doctors have a tendency to hear what they want to hear or are familiar with...and also in many of the enquiries into medical mishaps a recurring theme is not being listened to and also no body or group takes an overview (until it's to late) and joining the dots ...I'm not antivax...but I am slightly nervous...

every human has confirmational bias built into our psychology - its not exclusive to doctors , its why scientific studies are repeated and they have control groups and give some people placebos etc

Yes. The studies and data are designed to eliminate official bias.

No, they are not, they are funded by big pharma or whom ever has funded the study for the data.

23&me were caught handing over gene data to one of the big pharma firms in usa in 2019, many of the other genealogy companies have too (whom are all trying to close the gaps in their records and willing to allow fbi & like of to go through data without consent)...read t&c's.

There is reports coming out of US of women's cycles & miscarrages being affected. there will be plenty of others hidden away especially since pharmas have anonymity from all damages. There is nothing on our news about any negative side affects, twitter is quiet on that front too, so who knows what's really going on with the volumes or what they are, no one is saying or its being squashed.

Atm there is no way to tell or predict the true long term effects of the vaccine until that time has already passed,

you either have to trust gov/big pharma not to get it wrong & be willing to be affected with no come back or don't get the vaccine yet. That is your choice entirely and cannot be forced or coerced.

... Look into how studies work.

Its called following the money, that way you find true purpose & persons behind it. It is always money, they dont develop stuff for free nor to expect it to be delivered out of goodwill to the fellow human. "

*Sigh*

Studies reveal conflicts of interest, and the way they're run is designed to remove bias (blinding, etc).

Do you expect manufacturers to supply products for free, people to work for nothing from facility managers through to the scientists?

"Sorry, son, I would feed you, but my cleaning today was for a pharmaceutical company. I hope my virtue is enough to fill your rumbling tummy"

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By *radleyandRavenCouple
over a year ago

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By *radleyandRavenCouple
over a year ago

Herts

The only long-term side effect I had was fatigue. I had my 1st vaccine at the end of February and had 48hrs of fever, vomiting, chills, aches and pains all over, etc, which completely disappeared over the 3rd night.

But the tiredness was fecking unreal and I'm still getting over it.

For the first 4 weeks, I kept nodding off throughout the day.

I would still take the vaccine in a heartbeat though!

- Amy. x

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By *andyfloss2000Woman
over a year ago

ashford


"The good man's aunt got the jab. She is and old lady and has some natural health issues of the age but she also has mentioned the recurrent nausea and lack of taste of food. She also got an intestine condition going on before the vaccine. They don't know if the vaccine accentuated these symptoms and not sure if they'll ever know.

And I'm the same, still a bit sceptic about this one...I'm appreciative that vacccines have done wonders for the vast majority of the world's population. But also have caused a lot of damage. Being on the side of the minority doesn't mean it's less important. All scenarios should count and have equal attention and consideration."

I didnt read the side effects list they gave me is sickness one of them? As I have have been feeling sick on and of since my first jab got my next one next friday might mention it ! I take metformin for diabetes which can upset tummy so put it down to that x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yes i grew a 2nd cock so bonus to me

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By *eeleyWoman
over a year ago

Dudley


"my sister had the vaccine......she grew what we thought was a third leg first, then got a pronounces adams apple and asked to be called Dave

jokes aside, we should listen to the true professionals and listen to them and make an informed decision as to whether to progress with taking a vaccine. none of us are experts in this field

Doctors have a tendency to hear what they want to hear or are familiar with...and also in many of the enquiries into medical mishaps a recurring theme is not being listened to and also no body or group takes an overview (until it's to late) and joining the dots ...I'm not antivax...but I am slightly nervous...

every human has confirmational bias built into our psychology - its not exclusive to doctors , its why scientific studies are repeated and they have control groups and give some people placebos etc

Yes. The studies and data are designed to eliminate official bias.

No, they are not, they are funded by big pharma or whom ever has funded the study for the data.

23&me were caught handing over gene data to one of the big pharma firms in usa in 2019, many of the other genealogy companies have too (whom are all trying to close the gaps in their records and willing to allow fbi & like of to go through data without consent)...read t&c's.

There is reports coming out of US of women's cycles & miscarrages being affected. there will be plenty of others hidden away especially since pharmas have anonymity from all damages. There is nothing on our news about any negative side affects, twitter is quiet on that front too, so who knows what's really going on with the volumes or what they are, no one is saying or its being squashed.

Atm there is no way to tell or predict the true long term effects of the vaccine until that time has already passed,

you either have to trust gov/big pharma not to get it wrong & be willing to be affected with no come back or don't get the vaccine yet. That is your choice entirely and cannot be forced or coerced.

Are you willing to sit in lockdown until that time has passed?

Nope & i'm a free human being always have been, always will be, i am not being locked up for doing nothing wrong other than being an organic human being.

You can keep your homosapienophobias to yourself, i do not need to prove i or anyone else is healthy to live a normal life & the fear driven insanity needs to stop. "

So how do you think covid will stay under control? Or are you expecting people like me to have the vaccine so you can sit on your high horse and pretend there isn't a deadly virus?

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)


"my sister had the vaccine......she grew what we thought was a third leg first, then got a pronounces adams apple and asked to be called Dave

jokes aside, we should listen to the true professionals and listen to them and make an informed decision as to whether to progress with taking a vaccine. none of us are experts in this field

Doctors have a tendency to hear what they want to hear or are familiar with...and also in many of the enquiries into medical mishaps a recurring theme is not being listened to and also no body or group takes an overview (until it's to late) and joining the dots ...I'm not antivax...but I am slightly nervous...

every human has confirmational bias built into our psychology - its not exclusive to doctors , its why scientific studies are repeated and they have control groups and give some people placebos etc

Yes. The studies and data are designed to eliminate official bias.

No, they are not, they are funded by big pharma or whom ever has funded the study for the data.

23&me were caught handing over gene data to one of the big pharma firms in usa in 2019, many of the other genealogy companies have too (whom are all trying to close the gaps in their records and willing to allow fbi & like of to go through data without consent)...read t&c's.

There is reports coming out of US of women's cycles & miscarrages being affected. there will be plenty of others hidden away especially since pharmas have anonymity from all damages. There is nothing on our news about any negative side affects, twitter is quiet on that front too, so who knows what's really going on with the volumes or what they are, no one is saying or its being squashed.

Atm there is no way to tell or predict the true long term effects of the vaccine until that time has already passed,

you either have to trust gov/big pharma not to get it wrong & be willing to be affected with no come back or don't get the vaccine yet. That is your choice entirely and cannot be forced or coerced.

Are you willing to sit in lockdown until that time has passed?

Nope & i'm a free human being always have been, always will be, i am not being locked up for doing nothing wrong other than being an organic human being.

You can keep your homosapienophobias to yourself, i do not need to prove i or anyone else is healthy to live a normal life & the fear driven insanity needs to stop.

So how do you think covid will stay under control? Or are you expecting people like me to have the vaccine so you can sit on your high horse and pretend there isn't a deadly virus? "

I think people are unaware that their rights and freedoms are underpinned by duty and responsibility. Or if they are aware of it, they assume it's their freedom and your duty.

Sorry, but no.

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By *eeleyWoman
over a year ago

Dudley


"my sister had the vaccine......she grew what we thought was a third leg first, then got a pronounces adams apple and asked to be called Dave

jokes aside, we should listen to the true professionals and listen to them and make an informed decision as to whether to progress with taking a vaccine. none of us are experts in this field

Doctors have a tendency to hear what they want to hear or are familiar with...and also in many of the enquiries into medical mishaps a recurring theme is not being listened to and also no body or group takes an overview (until it's to late) and joining the dots ...I'm not antivax...but I am slightly nervous...

every human has confirmational bias built into our psychology - its not exclusive to doctors , its why scientific studies are repeated and they have control groups and give some people placebos etc

Yes. The studies and data are designed to eliminate official bias.

No, they are not, they are funded by big pharma or whom ever has funded the study for the data.

23&me were caught handing over gene data to one of the big pharma firms in usa in 2019, many of the other genealogy companies have too (whom are all trying to close the gaps in their records and willing to allow fbi & like of to go through data without consent)...read t&c's.

There is reports coming out of US of women's cycles & miscarrages being affected. there will be plenty of others hidden away especially since pharmas have anonymity from all damages. There is nothing on our news about any negative side affects, twitter is quiet on that front too, so who knows what's really going on with the volumes or what they are, no one is saying or its being squashed.

Atm there is no way to tell or predict the true long term effects of the vaccine until that time has already passed,

you either have to trust gov/big pharma not to get it wrong & be willing to be affected with no come back or don't get the vaccine yet. That is your choice entirely and cannot be forced or coerced.

Are you willing to sit in lockdown until that time has passed?

Nope & i'm a free human being always have been, always will be, i am not being locked up for doing nothing wrong other than being an organic human being.

You can keep your homosapienophobias to yourself, i do not need to prove i or anyone else is healthy to live a normal life & the fear driven insanity needs to stop.

So how do you think covid will stay under control? Or are you expecting people like me to have the vaccine so you can sit on your high horse and pretend there isn't a deadly virus?

I think people are unaware that their rights and freedoms are underpinned by duty and responsibility. Or if they are aware of it, they assume it's their freedom and your duty.

Sorry, but no."

They can enjoy their freedom when they aren't putting the country at risk.

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)


"my sister had the vaccine......she grew what we thought was a third leg first, then got a pronounces adams apple and asked to be called Dave

jokes aside, we should listen to the true professionals and listen to them and make an informed decision as to whether to progress with taking a vaccine. none of us are experts in this field

Doctors have a tendency to hear what they want to hear or are familiar with...and also in many of the enquiries into medical mishaps a recurring theme is not being listened to and also no body or group takes an overview (until it's to late) and joining the dots ...I'm not antivax...but I am slightly nervous...

every human has confirmational bias built into our psychology - its not exclusive to doctors , its why scientific studies are repeated and they have control groups and give some people placebos etc

Yes. The studies and data are designed to eliminate official bias.

No, they are not, they are funded by big pharma or whom ever has funded the study for the data.

23&me were caught handing over gene data to one of the big pharma firms in usa in 2019, many of the other genealogy companies have too (whom are all trying to close the gaps in their records and willing to allow fbi & like of to go through data without consent)...read t&c's.

There is reports coming out of US of women's cycles & miscarrages being affected. there will be plenty of others hidden away especially since pharmas have anonymity from all damages. There is nothing on our news about any negative side affects, twitter is quiet on that front too, so who knows what's really going on with the volumes or what they are, no one is saying or its being squashed.

Atm there is no way to tell or predict the true long term effects of the vaccine until that time has already passed,

you either have to trust gov/big pharma not to get it wrong & be willing to be affected with no come back or don't get the vaccine yet. That is your choice entirely and cannot be forced or coerced.

Are you willing to sit in lockdown until that time has passed?

Nope & i'm a free human being always have been, always will be, i am not being locked up for doing nothing wrong other than being an organic human being.

You can keep your homosapienophobias to yourself, i do not need to prove i or anyone else is healthy to live a normal life & the fear driven insanity needs to stop.

So how do you think covid will stay under control? Or are you expecting people like me to have the vaccine so you can sit on your high horse and pretend there isn't a deadly virus?

I think people are unaware that their rights and freedoms are underpinned by duty and responsibility. Or if they are aware of it, they assume it's their freedom and your duty.

Sorry, but no.

They can enjoy their freedom when they aren't putting the country at risk. "

They can enjoy their freedom when they deal with their responsibility.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"my sister had the vaccine......she grew what we thought was a third leg first, then got a pronounces adams apple and asked to be called Dave

jokes aside, we should listen to the true professionals and listen to them and make an informed decision as to whether to progress with taking a vaccine. none of us are experts in this field

Doctors have a tendency to hear what they want to hear or are familiar with...and also in many of the enquiries into medical mishaps a recurring theme is not being listened to and also no body or group takes an overview (until it's to late) and joining the dots ...I'm not antivax...but I am slightly nervous...

every human has confirmational bias built into our psychology - its not exclusive to doctors , its why scientific studies are repeated and they have control groups and give some people placebos etc

Yes. The studies and data are designed to eliminate official bias.

No, they are not, they are funded by big pharma or whom ever has funded the study for the data.

23&me were caught handing over gene data to one of the big pharma firms in usa in 2019, many of the other genealogy companies have too (whom are all trying to close the gaps in their records and willing to allow fbi & like of to go through data without consent)...read t&c's.

There is reports coming out of US of women's cycles & miscarrages being affected. there will be plenty of others hidden away especially since pharmas have anonymity from all damages. There is nothing on our news about any negative side affects, twitter is quiet on that front too, so who knows what's really going on with the volumes or what they are, no one is saying or its being squashed.

Atm there is no way to tell or predict the true long term effects of the vaccine until that time has already passed,

you either have to trust gov/big pharma not to get it wrong & be willing to be affected with no come back or don't get the vaccine yet. That is your choice entirely and cannot be forced or coerced."

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By *eoeclipseWoman
over a year ago

glasgow


"my sister had the vaccine......she grew what we thought was a third leg first, then got a pronounces adams apple and asked to be called Dave

jokes aside, we should listen to the true professionals and listen to them and make an informed decision as to whether to progress with taking a vaccine. none of us are experts in this field

Doctors have a tendency to hear what they want to hear or are familiar with...and also in many of the enquiries into medical mishaps a recurring theme is not being listened to and also no body or group takes an overview (until it's to late) and joining the dots ...I'm not antivax...but I am slightly nervous...

every human has confirmational bias built into our psychology - its not exclusive to doctors , its why scientific studies are repeated and they have control groups and give some people placebos etc

Yes. The studies and data are designed to eliminate official bias.

No, they are not, they are funded by big pharma or whom ever has funded the study for the data.

23&me were caught handing over gene data to one of the big pharma firms in usa in 2019, many of the other genealogy companies have too (whom are all trying to close the gaps in their records and willing to allow fbi & like of to go through data without consent)...read t&c's.

There is reports coming out of US of women's cycles & miscarrages being affected. there will be plenty of others hidden away especially since pharmas have anonymity from all damages. There is nothing on our news about any negative side affects, twitter is quiet on that front too, so who knows what's really going on with the volumes or what they are, no one is saying or its being squashed.

Atm there is no way to tell or predict the true long term effects of the vaccine until that time has already passed,

you either have to trust gov/big pharma not to get it wrong & be willing to be affected with no come back or don't get the vaccine yet. That is your choice entirely and cannot be forced or coerced.

... Look into how studies work.

Its called following the money, that way you find true purpose & persons behind it. It is always money, they dont develop stuff for free nor to expect it to be delivered out of goodwill to the fellow human.

*Sigh*

Studies reveal conflicts of interest, and the way they're run is designed to remove bias (blinding, etc).

Do you expect manufacturers to supply products for free, people to work for nothing from facility managers through to the scientists?

"Sorry, son, I would feed you, but my cleaning today was for a pharmaceutical company. I hope my virtue is enough to fill your rumbling tummy""

They cannot remove bias as by that point its usually implanted in the scientists mind as to what they want it to show, and quite clearly theres conflicts of interest when the top companies are sister companies or friends/family, just look at uk gov just now & learn what lobbing is please, it does not just involve tax breaks, it very much involves grants, revenue and loans etc.

That is a very silly example and of course not and yes we should be considering where we work, they values and the damages they do to environm etc.

do they need millions in salaries...nope, do they need grand mansions & private jets, nope, do they need massive dividends, nope.

Much in the same as charities they should be not for profit models and no one withing needs stupid sized salaries.

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By *eoeclipseWoman
over a year ago

glasgow


"my sister had the vaccine......she grew what we thought was a third leg first, then got a pronounces adams apple and asked to be called Dave

jokes aside, we should listen to the true professionals and listen to them and make an informed decision as to whether to progress with taking a vaccine. none of us are experts in this field

Doctors have a tendency to hear what they want to hear or are familiar with...and also in many of the enquiries into medical mishaps a recurring theme is not being listened to and also no body or group takes an overview (until it's to late) and joining the dots ...I'm not antivax...but I am slightly nervous...

every human has confirmational bias built into our psychology - its not exclusive to doctors , its why scientific studies are repeated and they have control groups and give some people placebos etc

Yes. The studies and data are designed to eliminate official bias.

No, they are not, they are funded by big pharma or whom ever has funded the study for the data.

23&me were caught handing over gene data to one of the big pharma firms in usa in 2019, many of the other genealogy companies have too (whom are all trying to close the gaps in their records and willing to allow fbi & like of to go through data without consent)...read t&c's.

There is reports coming out of US of women's cycles & miscarrages being affected. there will be plenty of others hidden away especially since pharmas have anonymity from all damages. There is nothing on our news about any negative side affects, twitter is quiet on that front too, so who knows what's really going on with the volumes or what they are, no one is saying or its being squashed.

Atm there is no way to tell or predict the true long term effects of the vaccine until that time has already passed,

you either have to trust gov/big pharma not to get it wrong & be willing to be affected with no come back or don't get the vaccine yet. That is your choice entirely and cannot be forced or coerced.

... Look into how studies work.

Its called following the money, that way you find true purpose & persons behind it. It is always money, they dont develop stuff for free nor to expect it to be delivered out of goodwill to the fellow human.

*Sigh*

Studies reveal conflicts of interest, and the way they're run is designed to remove bias (blinding, etc).

Do you expect manufacturers to supply products for free, people to work for nothing from facility managers through to the scientists?

"Sorry, son, I would feed you, but my cleaning today was for a pharmaceutical company. I hope my virtue is enough to fill your rumbling tummy""

They cannot remove bias as by that point its usually implanted in the scientists mind as to what they want it to show, and quite clearly theres conflicts of interest when the top companies are sister companies or friends/family, just look at uk gov just now & learn what lobbing is please, it does not just involve tax breaks, it very much involves grants, revenue and loans etc.

Never mind that money given to workers goes straight back into the big companies, you do realise even money goes in circles?

consumers need to consider more what businesses do abroad h ay home with both staff, resources and pollution. (proof - danone & water company wanted to rip up school planted trees to build a water bottling plant - water is free, plastic pollutes & trees give oxygen - court said no thank feck! All sorts of wrongs there)

That is a very silly example! yes we should be considering where we work, they values and the damages they do to environment etc. We live in this world, it isnt just for the top 1%, not is it just for humans.

do they need millions in salaries...nope, do they need grand mansions & private jets, nope, do they need massive dividends, nope.

Much in the same as charities they should be not for profit models and no one withing needs stupid sized salaries.

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By *eoeclipseWoman
over a year ago

glasgow


"my sister had the vaccine......she grew what we thought was a third leg first, then got a pronounces adams apple and asked to be called Dave

jokes aside, we should listen to the true professionals and listen to them and make an informed decision as to whether to progress with taking a vaccine. none of us are experts in this field

Doctors have a tendency to hear what they want to hear or are familiar with...and also in many of the enquiries into medical mishaps a recurring theme is not being listened to and also no body or group takes an overview (until it's to late) and joining the dots ...I'm not antivax...but I am slightly nervous...

every human has confirmational bias built into our psychology - its not exclusive to doctors , its why scientific studies are repeated and they have control groups and give some people placebos etc

Yes. The studies and data are designed to eliminate official bias.

No, they are not, they are funded by big pharma or whom ever has funded the study for the data.

23&me were caught handing over gene data to one of the big pharma firms in usa in 2019, many of the other genealogy companies have too (whom are all trying to close the gaps in their records and willing to allow fbi & like of to go through data without consent)...read t&c's.

There is reports coming out of US of women's cycles & miscarrages being affected. there will be plenty of others hidden away especially since pharmas have anonymity from all damages. There is nothing on our news about any negative side affects, twitter is quiet on that front too, so who knows what's really going on with the volumes or what they are, no one is saying or its being squashed.

Atm there is no way to tell or predict the true long term effects of the vaccine until that time has already passed,

you either have to trust gov/big pharma not to get it wrong & be willing to be affected with no come back or don't get the vaccine yet. That is your choice entirely and cannot be forced or coerced.

Are you willing to sit in lockdown until that time has passed?

Nope & i'm a free human being always have been, always will be, i am not being locked up for doing nothing wrong other than being an organic human being.

You can keep your homosapienophobias to yourself, i do not need to prove i or anyone else is healthy to live a normal life & the fear driven insanity needs to stop.

So how do you think covid will stay under control? Or are you expecting people like me to have the vaccine so you can sit on your high horse and pretend there isn't a deadly virus?

I think people are unaware that their rights and freedoms are underpinned by duty and responsibility. Or if they are aware of it, they assume it's their freedom and your duty.

Sorry, but no."

Yes, there is personal responsibility that does not extend to being responsible for other members of society.

We live under roman law, rule of law aka live & let live.

So how about you deal with the fact death is natural in all species, as are viruses.

scared? Why? it has over 99% survival rate!

you keep yourself home & let the rest of us live our lives. i wont be, freedom of movement, right to religion, right to medical care (should i choose), right to choose work & field, right to (primary) education, freedom of speech, right to the arts & culture etc.

You lot don't even realise the right you have & use on a daily basis because it is (largely) our normal in the richer countries.

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By *oncupiscence73Woman
over a year ago

South


"my sister had the vaccine......she grew what we thought was a third leg first, then got a pronounces adams apple and asked to be called Dave

jokes aside, we should listen to the true professionals and listen to them and make an informed decision as to whether to progress with taking a vaccine. none of us are experts in this field

Doctors have a tendency to hear what they want to hear or are familiar with...and also in many of the enquiries into medical mishaps a recurring theme is not being listened to and also no body or group takes an overview (until it's to late) and joining the dots ...I'm not antivax...but I am slightly nervous...

every human has confirmational bias built into our psychology - its not exclusive to doctors , its why scientific studies are repeated and they have control groups and give some people placebos etc

Yes. The studies and data are designed to eliminate official bias.

No, they are not, they are funded by big pharma or whom ever has funded the study for the data.

23&me were caught handing over gene data to one of the big pharma firms in usa in 2019, many of the other genealogy companies have too (whom are all trying to close the gaps in their records and willing to allow fbi & like of to go through data without consent)...read t&c's.

There is reports coming out of US of women's cycles & miscarrages being affected. there will be plenty of others hidden away especially since pharmas have anonymity from all damages. There is nothing on our news about any negative side affects, twitter is quiet on that front too, so who knows what's really going on with the volumes or what they are, no one is saying or its being squashed.

Atm there is no way to tell or predict the true long term effects of the vaccine until that time has already passed,

you either have to trust gov/big pharma not to get it wrong & be willing to be affected with no come back or don't get the vaccine yet. That is your choice entirely and cannot be forced or coerced.

Are you willing to sit in lockdown until that time has passed?

Nope & i'm a free human being always have been, always will be, i am not being locked up for doing nothing wrong other than being an organic human being.

You can keep your homosapienophobias to yourself, i do not need to prove i or anyone else is healthy to live a normal life & the fear driven insanity needs to stop.

So how do you think covid will stay under control? Or are you expecting people like me to have the vaccine so you can sit on your high horse and pretend there isn't a deadly virus?

I think people are unaware that their rights and freedoms are underpinned by duty and responsibility. Or if they are aware of it, they assume it's their freedom and your duty.

Sorry, but no.

Yes, there is personal responsibility that does not extend to being responsible for other members of society.

We live under roman law, rule of law aka live & let live.

So how about you deal with the fact death is natural in all species, as are viruses.

scared? Why? it has over 99% survival rate!

you keep yourself home & let the rest of us live our lives. i wont be, freedom of movement, right to religion, right to medical care (should i choose), right to choose work & field, right to (primary) education, freedom of speech, right to the arts & culture etc.

You lot don't even realise the right you have & use on a daily basis because it is (largely) our normal in the richer countries. "

Really? What? Do you have children? Parents? Anyone you care about? What a horrific thing to say! I really Didnt think anyone could shock me with their selfishness on fab anymore after this year ... and then I read your post just wow. I must remember to tell all my colleagues and NHS staff that personal responsibility means you don’t give a fuck about anyone else .... just wow!

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)


"my sister had the vaccine......she grew what we thought was a third leg first, then got a pronounces adams apple and asked to be called Dave

jokes aside, we should listen to the true professionals and listen to them and make an informed decision as to whether to progress with taking a vaccine. none of us are experts in this field

Doctors have a tendency to hear what they want to hear or are familiar with...and also in many of the enquiries into medical mishaps a recurring theme is not being listened to and also no body or group takes an overview (until it's to late) and joining the dots ...I'm not antivax...but I am slightly nervous...

every human has confirmational bias built into our psychology - its not exclusive to doctors , its why scientific studies are repeated and they have control groups and give some people placebos etc

Yes. The studies and data are designed to eliminate official bias.

No, they are not, they are funded by big pharma or whom ever has funded the study for the data.

23&me were caught handing over gene data to one of the big pharma firms in usa in 2019, many of the other genealogy companies have too (whom are all trying to close the gaps in their records and willing to allow fbi & like of to go through data without consent)...read t&c's.

There is reports coming out of US of women's cycles & miscarrages being affected. there will be plenty of others hidden away especially since pharmas have anonymity from all damages. There is nothing on our news about any negative side affects, twitter is quiet on that front too, so who knows what's really going on with the volumes or what they are, no one is saying or its being squashed.

Atm there is no way to tell or predict the true long term effects of the vaccine until that time has already passed,

you either have to trust gov/big pharma not to get it wrong & be willing to be affected with no come back or don't get the vaccine yet. That is your choice entirely and cannot be forced or coerced.

Are you willing to sit in lockdown until that time has passed?

Nope & i'm a free human being always have been, always will be, i am not being locked up for doing nothing wrong other than being an organic human being.

You can keep your homosapienophobias to yourself, i do not need to prove i or anyone else is healthy to live a normal life & the fear driven insanity needs to stop.

So how do you think covid will stay under control? Or are you expecting people like me to have the vaccine so you can sit on your high horse and pretend there isn't a deadly virus?

I think people are unaware that their rights and freedoms are underpinned by duty and responsibility. Or if they are aware of it, they assume it's their freedom and your duty.

Sorry, but no.

Yes, there is personal responsibility that does not extend to being responsible for other members of society.

We live under roman law, rule of law aka live & let live.

So how about you deal with the fact death is natural in all species, as are viruses.

scared? Why? it has over 99% survival rate!

you keep yourself home & let the rest of us live our lives. i wont be, freedom of movement, right to religion, right to medical care (should i choose), right to choose work & field, right to (primary) education, freedom of speech, right to the arts & culture etc.

You lot don't even realise the right you have & use on a daily basis because it is (largely) our normal in the richer countries. "

You live under Scots law.

I live under English law.

We both live under UK law.

We don't live under Roman law and I have zero clue what that means in context.

I'm afraid you're talking nonsense.

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By *eeleyWoman
over a year ago

Dudley


"

Yes, there is personal responsibility that does not extend to being responsible for other members of society.

We live under roman law, rule of law aka live & let live.

So how about you deal with the fact death is natural in all species, as are viruses.

scared? Why? it has over 99% survival rate!

you keep yourself home & let the rest of us live our lives. i wont be, freedom of movement, right to religion, right to medical care (should i choose), right to choose work & field, right to (primary) education, freedom of speech, right to the arts & culture etc.

You lot don't even realise the right you have & use on a daily basis because it is (largely) our normal in the richer countries. "

Right, well, can you kindly remove yourself from all the benefits you gain from being a member of society?

These rights you speak of, do I also not have a right to live in a society where I'm not put in danger by people that have no idea what they are talking about and are making decisions based on bullshit they read online?

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By *eoeclipseWoman
over a year ago

glasgow


"my sister had the vaccine......she grew what we thought was a third leg first, then got a pronounces adams apple and asked to be called Dave

jokes aside, we should listen to the true professionals and listen to them and make an informed decision as to whether to progress with taking a vaccine. none of us are experts in this field

Doctors have a tendency to hear what they want to hear or are familiar with...and also in many of the enquiries into medical mishaps a recurring theme is not being listened to and also no body or group takes an overview (until it's to late) and joining the dots ...I'm not antivax...but I am slightly nervous...

every human has confirmational bias built into our psychology - its not exclusive to doctors , its why scientific studies are repeated and they have control groups and give some people placebos etc

Yes. The studies and data are designed to eliminate official bias.

No, they are not, they are funded by big pharma or whom ever has funded the study for the data.

23&me were caught handing over gene data to one of the big pharma firms in usa in 2019, many of the other genealogy companies have too (whom are all trying to close the gaps in their records and willing to allow fbi & like of to go through data without consent)...read t&c's.

There is reports coming out of US of women's cycles & miscarrages being affected. there will be plenty of others hidden away especially since pharmas have anonymity from all damages. There is nothing on our news about any negative side affects, twitter is quiet on that front too, so who knows what's really going on with the volumes or what they are, no one is saying or its being squashed.

Atm there is no way to tell or predict the true long term effects of the vaccine until that time has already passed,

you either have to trust gov/big pharma not to get it wrong & be willing to be affected with no come back or don't get the vaccine yet. That is your choice entirely and cannot be forced or coerced.

Are you willing to sit in lockdown until that time has passed?

Nope & i'm a free human being always have been, always will be, i am not being locked up for doing nothing wrong other than being an organic human being.

You can keep your homosapienophobias to yourself, i do not need to prove i or anyone else is healthy to live a normal life & the fear driven insanity needs to stop.

So how do you think covid will stay under control? Or are you expecting people like me to have the vaccine so you can sit on your high horse and pretend there isn't a deadly virus?

I think people are unaware that their rights and freedoms are underpinned by duty and responsibility. Or if they are aware of it, they assume it's their freedom and your duty.

Sorry, but no.

Yes, there is personal responsibility that does not extend to being responsible for other members of society.

We live under roman law, rule of law aka live & let live.

So how about you deal with the fact death is natural in all species, as are viruses.

scared? Why? it has over 99% survival rate!

you keep yourself home & let the rest of us live our lives. i wont be, freedom of movement, right to religion, right to medical care (should i choose), right to choose work & field, right to (primary) education, freedom of speech, right to the arts & culture etc.

You lot don't even realise the right you have & use on a daily basis because it is (largely) our normal in the richer countries.

You live under Scots law.

I live under English law.

We both live under UK law.

We don't live under Roman law and I have zero clue what that means in context.

I'm afraid you're talking nonsense."

Just shows how little you know of law, UK law is Roman law! Thats where it came from!

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By *nigma2000Man
over a year ago

Keighley

Had both doses and no lasting effects at all

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)


"my sister had the vaccine......she grew what we thought was a third leg first, then got a pronounces adams apple and asked to be called Dave

jokes aside, we should listen to the true professionals and listen to them and make an informed decision as to whether to progress with taking a vaccine. none of us are experts in this field

Doctors have a tendency to hear what they want to hear or are familiar with...and also in many of the enquiries into medical mishaps a recurring theme is not being listened to and also no body or group takes an overview (until it's to late) and joining the dots ...I'm not antivax...but I am slightly nervous...

every human has confirmational bias built into our psychology - its not exclusive to doctors , its why scientific studies are repeated and they have control groups and give some people placebos etc

Yes. The studies and data are designed to eliminate official bias.

No, they are not, they are funded by big pharma or whom ever has funded the study for the data.

23&me were caught handing over gene data to one of the big pharma firms in usa in 2019, many of the other genealogy companies have too (whom are all trying to close the gaps in their records and willing to allow fbi & like of to go through data without consent)...read t&c's.

There is reports coming out of US of women's cycles & miscarrages being affected. there will be plenty of others hidden away especially since pharmas have anonymity from all damages. There is nothing on our news about any negative side affects, twitter is quiet on that front too, so who knows what's really going on with the volumes or what they are, no one is saying or its being squashed.

Atm there is no way to tell or predict the true long term effects of the vaccine until that time has already passed,

you either have to trust gov/big pharma not to get it wrong & be willing to be affected with no come back or don't get the vaccine yet. That is your choice entirely and cannot be forced or coerced.

Are you willing to sit in lockdown until that time has passed?

Nope & i'm a free human being always have been, always will be, i am not being locked up for doing nothing wrong other than being an organic human being.

You can keep your homosapienophobias to yourself, i do not need to prove i or anyone else is healthy to live a normal life & the fear driven insanity needs to stop.

So how do you think covid will stay under control? Or are you expecting people like me to have the vaccine so you can sit on your high horse and pretend there isn't a deadly virus?

I think people are unaware that their rights and freedoms are underpinned by duty and responsibility. Or if they are aware of it, they assume it's their freedom and your duty.

Sorry, but no.

Yes, there is personal responsibility that does not extend to being responsible for other members of society.

We live under roman law, rule of law aka live & let live.

So how about you deal with the fact death is natural in all species, as are viruses.

scared? Why? it has over 99% survival rate!

you keep yourself home & let the rest of us live our lives. i wont be, freedom of movement, right to religion, right to medical care (should i choose), right to choose work & field, right to (primary) education, freedom of speech, right to the arts & culture etc.

You lot don't even realise the right you have & use on a daily basis because it is (largely) our normal in the richer countries.

You live under Scots law.

I live under English law.

We both live under UK law.

We don't live under Roman law and I have zero clue what that means in context.

I'm afraid you're talking nonsense.

Just shows how little you know of law, UK law is Roman law! Thats where it came from!"

The UK has a common law system, which is predominantly indigenous. (Scots law has some civil law elements)

The continent has more civil law, which is derived from Roman law.

(Roman law was the western ancestor of codified laws and the law as a professional system, but that's startlingly unimportant)

... Anyone who knows what my academic specialism was is probably finding this very funny.

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By *eoeclipseWoman
over a year ago

glasgow


"my sister had the vaccine......she grew what we thought was a third leg first, then got a pronounces adams apple and asked to be called Dave

jokes aside, we should listen to the true professionals and listen to them and make an informed decision as to whether to progress with taking a vaccine. none of us are experts in this field

Doctors have a tendency to hear what they want to hear or are familiar with...and also in many of the enquiries into medical mishaps a recurring theme is not being listened to and also no body or group takes an overview (until it's to late) and joining the dots ...I'm not antivax...but I am slightly nervous...

every human has confirmational bias built into our psychology - its not exclusive to doctors , its why scientific studies are repeated and they have control groups and give some people placebos etc

Yes. The studies and data are designed to eliminate official bias.

No, they are not, they are funded by big pharma or whom ever has funded the study for the data.

23&me were caught handing over gene data to one of the big pharma firms in usa in 2019, many of the other genealogy companies have too (whom are all trying to close the gaps in their records and willing to allow fbi & like of to go through data without consent)...read t&c's.

There is reports coming out of US of women's cycles & miscarrages being affected. there will be plenty of others hidden away especially since pharmas have anonymity from all damages. There is nothing on our news about any negative side affects, twitter is quiet on that front too, so who knows what's really going on with the volumes or what they are, no one is saying or its being squashed.

Atm there is no way to tell or predict the true long term effects of the vaccine until that time has already passed,

you either have to trust gov/big pharma not to get it wrong & be willing to be affected with no come back or don't get the vaccine yet. That is your choice entirely and cannot be forced or coerced.

Are you willing to sit in lockdown until that time has passed?

Nope & i'm a free human being always have been, always will be, i am not being locked up for doing nothing wrong other than being an organic human being.

You can keep your homosapienophobias to yourself, i do not need to prove i or anyone else is healthy to live a normal life & the fear driven insanity needs to stop.

So how do you think covid will stay under control? Or are you expecting people like me to have the vaccine so you can sit on your high horse and pretend there isn't a deadly virus?

I think people are unaware that their rights and freedoms are underpinned by duty and responsibility. Or if they are aware of it, they assume it's their freedom and your duty.

Sorry, but no.

Yes, there is personal responsibility that does not extend to being responsible for other members of society.

We live under roman law, rule of law aka live & let live.

So how about you deal with the fact death is natural in all species, as are viruses.

scared? Why? it has over 99% survival rate!

you keep yourself home & let the rest of us live our lives. i wont be, freedom of movement, right to religion, right to medical care (should i choose), right to choose work & field, right to (primary) education, freedom of speech, right to the arts & culture etc.

You lot don't even realise the right you have & use on a daily basis because it is (largely) our normal in the richer countries.

Really? What? Do you have children? Parents? Anyone you care about? What a horrific thing to say! I really Didnt think anyone could shock me with their selfishness on fab anymore after this year ... and then I read your post just wow. I must remember to tell all my colleagues and NHS staff that personal responsibility means you don’t give a fuck about anyone else .... just wow!"

Who's being selfish when you want to force medical treatments & controls on others?

Yes personal responsibilty does mean thinking for yourself, risk assessing yourself.

Can you also tell all those people to take care of the planet that we all have to live on & stop polluting it with the damn waste then? Are they all doing everything to be healthy, look after the planet & all species please, might be able to stem off upcoming mass starvations & real pandemics.

Ha ha you having a laugh! 2/3's of UK are unhealthy including NHS staff, most of which know little other than what they are taught & only need 60% to pass, love treating symptoms & not the root cause with big pharma.

How about they try to look after their own health properly & not make damn excuses for it.

Plus you'll never get zero viruses, even those that have vaccinations are still about & always will be as these are part of nature & population checks.

Sorry but humans are not above other species its circular!

Btw you know covid is a sars virus so not new at all & 4 of that family are in gen pop & are seasonal, just like flu and so many others.

As for asking bout family....well duh! Every body does, kinda cant be here without one! The difference is that i know death is a part of life, especially in older ages, that we don't get to choose when or by what!

I have had to choose quality of life over existence more than one, i know exactly what the cost is & my emotions do not rule it, quality of life does.

And don't dare try to diminish my skill set or care abilities because i don't agree with your fear & insane thinking of homosapienophobia. I'm sorry the media & gov have given you those fears over every fellow human being being dangerous without testing. You should really seek help for those anxieties.

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By *oncupiscence73Woman
over a year ago

South


"my sister had the vaccine......she grew what we thought was a third leg first, then got a pronounces adams apple and asked to be called Dave

jokes aside, we should listen to the true professionals and listen to them and make an informed decision as to whether to progress with taking a vaccine. none of us are experts in this field

Doctors have a tendency to hear what they want to hear or are familiar with...and also in many of the enquiries into medical mishaps a recurring theme is not being listened to and also no body or group takes an overview (until it's to late) and joining the dots ...I'm not antivax...but I am slightly nervous...

every human has confirmational bias built into our psychology - its not exclusive to doctors , its why scientific studies are repeated and they have control groups and give some people placebos etc

Yes. The studies and data are designed to eliminate official bias.

No, they are not, they are funded by big pharma or whom ever has funded the study for the data.

23&me were caught handing over gene data to one of the big pharma firms in usa in 2019, many of the other genealogy companies have too (whom are all trying to close the gaps in their records and willing to allow fbi & like of to go through data without consent)...read t&c's.

There is reports coming out of US of women's cycles & miscarrages being affected. there will be plenty of others hidden away especially since pharmas have anonymity from all damages. There is nothing on our news about any negative side affects, twitter is quiet on that front too, so who knows what's really going on with the volumes or what they are, no one is saying or its being squashed.

Atm there is no way to tell or predict the true long term effects of the vaccine until that time has already passed,

you either have to trust gov/big pharma not to get it wrong & be willing to be affected with no come back or don't get the vaccine yet. That is your choice entirely and cannot be forced or coerced.

Are you willing to sit in lockdown until that time has passed?

Nope & i'm a free human being always have been, always will be, i am not being locked up for doing nothing wrong other than being an organic human being.

You can keep your homosapienophobias to yourself, i do not need to prove i or anyone else is healthy to live a normal life & the fear driven insanity needs to stop.

So how do you think covid will stay under control? Or are you expecting people like me to have the vaccine so you can sit on your high horse and pretend there isn't a deadly virus?

I think people are unaware that their rights and freedoms are underpinned by duty and responsibility. Or if they are aware of it, they assume it's their freedom and your duty.

Sorry, but no.

Yes, there is personal responsibility that does not extend to being responsible for other members of society.

We live under roman law, rule of law aka live & let live.

So how about you deal with the fact death is natural in all species, as are viruses.

scared? Why? it has over 99% survival rate!

you keep yourself home & let the rest of us live our lives. i wont be, freedom of movement, right to religion, right to medical care (should i choose), right to choose work & field, right to (primary) education, freedom of speech, right to the arts & culture etc.

You lot don't even realise the right you have & use on a daily basis because it is (largely) our normal in the richer countries.

Really? What? Do you have children? Parents? Anyone you care about? What a horrific thing to say! I really Didnt think anyone could shock me with their selfishness on fab anymore after this year ... and then I read your post just wow. I must remember to tell all my colleagues and NHS staff that personal responsibility means you don’t give a fuck about anyone else .... just wow!

Who's being selfish when you want to force medical treatments & controls on others?

Yes personal responsibilty does mean thinking for yourself, risk assessing yourself.

Can you also tell all those people to take care of the planet that we all have to live on & stop polluting it with the damn waste then? Are they all doing everything to be healthy, look after the planet & all species please, might be able to stem off upcoming mass starvations & real pandemics.

Ha ha you having a laugh! 2/3's of UK are unhealthy including NHS staff, most of which know little other than what they are taught & only need 60% to pass, love treating symptoms & not the root cause with big pharma.

How about they try to look after their own health properly & not make damn excuses for it.

Plus you'll never get zero viruses, even those that have vaccinations are still about & always will be as these are part of nature & population checks.

Sorry but humans are not above other species its circular!

Btw you know covid is a sars virus so not new at all & 4 of that family are in gen pop & are seasonal, just like flu and so many others.

As for asking bout family....well duh! Every body does, kinda cant be here without one! The difference is that i know death is a part of life, especially in older ages, that we don't get to choose when or by what!

I have had to choose quality of life over existence more than one, i know exactly what the cost is & my emotions do not rule it, quality of life does.

And don't dare try to diminish my skill set or care abilities because i don't agree with your fear & insane thinking of homosapienophobia. I'm sorry the media & gov have given you those fears over every fellow human being being dangerous without testing. You should really seek help for those anxieties."

Well what a load of nonsense that was - (backs away with thumbs up) okay then.... erm good luck with that

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