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"As long as we have the virus circulating, we will have mutations. Worldwide suppression of SARS-CoV-2 needs to be the objective of everyone, so for a start, vaccine nationalism needs to do one."  | |||
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"As long as we have the virus circulating, we will have mutations. Worldwide suppression of SARS-CoV-2 needs to be the objective of everyone, so for a start, vaccine nationalism needs to do one." I understand that. But so long as demand far outstrips supply it will happen. The far more immediately achievable is to quarantine arrivals and manage arrivals to our island nation. Which a year on we still seem to be fannying around with. | |||
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"I find it difficult to believe that people coming in from India aren't required to quarantine but there it is, right in front of my eyes. I genuinely am at a loss" Me too. All I can do is keep my unvaccinated butt at home. | |||
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"I find it difficult to believe that people coming in from India aren't required to quarantine but there it is, right in front of my eyes. I genuinely am at a loss" They have to self isolate for two weeks at home but not in the quarantine hotel.... | |||
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"I find it difficult to believe that people coming in from India aren't required to quarantine but there it is, right in front of my eyes. I genuinely am at a loss They have to self isolate for two weeks at home but not in the quarantine hotel...." That'll go as well as it's done for the last year then. Cafe, last summer. "Oh I got back from my holiday yesterday, it was gorgeous. Yeah yeah self isolation, wadda they gonna do, make me?  " | |||
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"I find it difficult to believe that people coming in from India aren't required to quarantine but there it is, right in front of my eyes. I genuinely am at a loss They have to self isolate for two weeks at home but not in the quarantine hotel.... That'll go as well as it's done for the last year then. Cafe, last summer. "Oh I got back from my holiday yesterday, it was gorgeous. Yeah yeah self isolation, wadda they gonna do, make me? ""Yup..... | |||
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"I find it difficult to believe that people coming in from India aren't required to quarantine but there it is, right in front of my eyes. I genuinely am at a loss They have to self isolate for two weeks at home but not in the quarantine hotel...." I just saw that. Let's hope that's enough to keep it at a minimal level. | |||
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"Boris is going to India at the end of the month" Not that that's got anything to do with it not being on the red list  | |||
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"Boris is going to India at the end of the month" Let's hope they keep him there lol | |||
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"Boris is going to India at the end of the month Not that that's got anything to do with it not being on the red list "Quite  | |||
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"Boris is going to India at the end of the month Not that that's got anything to do with it not being on the red list
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"Boris is going to India at the end of the month Not that that's got anything to do with it not being on the red list
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"Boris is going to India at the end of the month" Lets hope his trade visit is worthwhile. We need to build bridges and trade. | |||
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"Many countries still arriving into UK by various means Should of stopped all border entrances same as we aren't allowed to leave no-one should be entering until its safe regardless of where their from As for variants there will be many types as with flu The vaccines are designed to reduce effects not eradicate it As with flu jabs people still get flu but not as bad Can't understand to be fair how variants come about as beginning of year it was covid strain World wide pandemic can't see how it can mutate because your from another country So if it can mutate from nationality to nationality why can't it mutate inside the UK between County to county Personally think its more scaremongering The survival rate from covid is high anyways and even more so once vaccinated so really can't see why we would need to put restrictions back in place " So if it can mutate from nationality to nationality why can't it mutate inside the UK between County to county..... Err... It can.. And does. Not aware of the Kent strain currently running around Europe.? | |||
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"Many countries still arriving into UK by various means Should of stopped all border entrances same as we aren't allowed to leave no-one should be entering until its safe regardless of where their from As for variants there will be many types as with flu The vaccines are designed to reduce effects not eradicate it As with flu jabs people still get flu but not as bad Can't understand to be fair how variants come about as beginning of year it was covid strain World wide pandemic can't see how it can mutate because your from another country So if it can mutate from nationality to nationality why can't it mutate inside the UK between County to county Personally think its more scaremongering The survival rate from covid is high anyways and even more so once vaccinated so really can't see why we would need to put restrictions back in place " Please go and read about mutations and how and why they happen. They're happening in your body at this very moment! Mutations have nothing to do with geography, we humans just like to give things names, in this case, based on where we first observed something. | |||
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"Uk is leading the world with vaccinations " Actually Bhutan is now the world leader | |||
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"Uk is leading the world with vaccinations Actually Bhutan is now the world leader" We should take note of Bhutan. It does a lot of things very well. | |||
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"OK so that's that then there will be many mutations Vaccines are still designed to reduce effects of covid so they are all covid based so can't see why vaccines won't continue to reduce effects Identical twins still have same genetic make up even if one has a mole on his ass" Have you read about the Indian variant? It potentially can evade the immune system, so the vaccines may be ineffective. That's the problem with letting a virus run rampant around the world. It will adapt to the environment and mutating to evade the immune system is an excellent adaptation if you are a virus. | |||
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"The point is if it mutated in India due to climate or whatever it can mutate the same in the UK from county to county So what you wanna do have your life restricted until you die or get on with living and enjoy what time you have left no-one knows what's around the corner Everything that the government has said or newspapers have reported has been stretched and over the top to keep us in fear If that's not true why didn't they both say there's a pandemic around but it's got a 98.9% survival rate expecially once vaccinated Personally I want my life back cause what I'm doing now is simply existing an to me that ain't a life There's too much scare mongering and doom n gloom people but some of us have had enough Expecially ones who have continued to work through all this and I don't mean at home " I repeat - please go and find out from a reputable source, how and why mutations happen. It's nothing to do with climate, geography or anything else. It's simple biology. Any time DNA or RNA replicates, errors can occur. These are mutations. But what would I know? I only teach this stuff. From home for the past year | |||
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"OK so that's that then there will be many mutations Vaccines are still designed to reduce effects of covid so they are all covid based so can't see why vaccines won't continue to reduce effects Identical twins still have same genetic make up even if one has a mole on his ass Have you read about the Indian variant? It potentially can evade the immune system, so the vaccines may be ineffective. That's the problem with letting a virus run rampant around the world. It will adapt to the environment and mutating to evade the immune system is an excellent adaptation if you are a virus." I never said it may or not be bad if you had read my comment earlier I said we aren't allowed out of the country so why are we allowing any nationality in full stop from any country | |||
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"No one said you didn't know your stuff but I'm asking has it mutated that much its no longer covid 19 Probably not So vaccines will probably offer some protection Wasn't long ago we had a variant and they said they were unsure if vaccines would work against it and lo behold they did No one knows how long the vaccines will protect for or if they will protect against every variant and we won't know that for years to come as testing is ongoing So do we keep restrictions coming in and out for the next 10 years on a what if or a maybe " It's called Covid-19 for COronaVIrus Disease (COVID) and 19 for the year it first emerged (2019). It's the same virus, just slightly different sequences in some genes. Like how all Labradors are Labradors, whether black, brown or yellow. The different coat colours are due to mutation. Your DNA is mutating all the time, I can assure you. Nothing to do with anything other than copying errors when your cells replicate. | |||
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"Then let's hope the vaccine is helpful against the changes Can't see many people worrying about variants by the ques outside the travel agents think once we are allowed to leave a very good fair few won't be thinking of variants when their on the plane " That's because they probably don't understand the risks fully. Just look at what happened worldwide when people went on their jollies last summer... | |||
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"Then let's hope the vaccine is helpful against the changes Can't see many people worrying about variants by the ques outside the travel agents think once we are allowed to leave a very good fair few won't be thinking of variants when their on the plane That's because they probably don't understand the risks fully. Just look at what happened worldwide when people went on their jollies last summer..." If Johnny jumps off a bridge, does this mean you have to do it too? | |||
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"Then let's hope the vaccine is helpful against the changes Can't see many people worrying about variants by the ques outside the travel agents think once we are allowed to leave a very good fair few won't be thinking of variants when their on the plane That's because they probably don't understand the risks fully. Just look at what happened worldwide when people went on their jollies last summer... If Johnny jumps off a bridge, does this mean you have to do it too?" Nope it doesn't but it also doesn't mean I should lock myself away in fear I will continue to do what I want and when I'm permitted no one has said that you should do any different | |||
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"Then let's hope the vaccine is helpful against the changes Can't see many people worrying about variants by the ques outside the travel agents think once we are allowed to leave a very good fair few won't be thinking of variants when their on the plane That's because they probably don't understand the risks fully. Just look at what happened worldwide when people went on their jollies last summer... If Johnny jumps off a bridge, does this mean you have to do it too? Nope it doesn't but it also doesn't mean I should lock myself away in fear I will continue to do what I want and when I'm permitted no one has said that you should do any different" I'm not afraid. I'm doing my bit for others to slow the spread. It's called being community minded and risk averse during an international crisis. | |||
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"OK so that's that then there will be many mutations Vaccines are still designed to reduce effects of covid so they are all covid based so can't see why vaccines won't continue to reduce effects Identical twins still have same genetic make up even if one has a mole on his ass Have you read about the Indian variant? It potentially can evade the immune system, so the vaccines may be ineffective. That's the problem with letting a virus run rampant around the world. It will adapt to the environment and mutating to evade the immune system is an excellent adaptation if you are a virus." So back to the herd immunity debate.. How can you have herd immunity to something if the immune system is evaded.? | |||
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"OK so that's that then there will be many mutations Vaccines are still designed to reduce effects of covid so they are all covid based so can't see why vaccines won't continue to reduce effects Identical twins still have same genetic make up even if one has a mole on his ass Have you read about the Indian variant? It potentially can evade the immune system, so the vaccines may be ineffective. That's the problem with letting a virus run rampant around the world. It will adapt to the environment and mutating to evade the immune system is an excellent adaptation if you are a virus. So back to the herd immunity debate.. How can you have herd immunity to something if the immune system is evaded.? " It's possible that you can't. | |||
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"I think it's going to have to be a more quickly updated list of countries that have to be added to the red list and, as it's going to take a long time for India to get their citizens vaccinated and the virus under control, I could see it being there for some time. It's hard to believe that we're a year on from not securing our borders properly and still doing more of the same " Like you I find it difficult to believe... 8k tourists a day... 20k hauliers a week... Millions of flight arrival passengers this year. I'm amazed that with all the shit the press put out there.. There hasn't been more pressure on this critical Control measure. | |||
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"If I remember rightly from previous posts you was happy to let nationalities into the UK as it was the humane thing to do if they wasn't allowed in by other countries and like I said then if we are restricted on leaving then it's no good allowing others in to bring variants with them " Try using the quote and comment function so we know who you are addressing. | |||
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"OK so that's that then there will be many mutations Vaccines are still designed to reduce effects of covid so they are all covid based so can't see why vaccines won't continue to reduce effects Identical twins still have same genetic make up even if one has a mole on his ass Have you read about the Indian variant? It potentially can evade the immune system, so the vaccines may be ineffective. That's the problem with letting a virus run rampant around the world. It will adapt to the environment and mutating to evade the immune system is an excellent adaptation if you are a virus. I never said it may or not be bad if you had read my comment earlier I said we aren't allowed out of the country so why are we allowing any nationality in full stop from any country " Exactly that. Why are we? | |||
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"If I remember rightly from previous posts you was happy to let nationalities into the UK as it was the humane thing to do if they wasn't allowed in by other countries and like I said then if we are restricted on leaving then it's no good allowing others in to bring variants with them " I was happy to let refugees in and vaccinate them. Because I recognise that this is a global problem and I have compassion. I didn't say "and let them run around infecting everyone": quarantine exists. I agree we should close the borders, except perhaps on compassionate grounds. But personally I'd close the borders to everyone, in or out, until the entire population has had a chance to be vaccinated with a full dose (two jabs). Including children. | |||
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"Then let's hope the vaccine is helpful against the changes Can't see many people worrying about variants by the ques outside the travel agents think once we are allowed to leave a very good fair few won't be thinking of variants when their on the plane That's because they probably don't understand the risks fully. Just look at what happened worldwide when people went on their jollies last summer... If Johnny jumps off a bridge, does this mean you have to do it too? Nope it doesn't but it also doesn't mean I should lock myself away in fear I will continue to do what I want and when I'm permitted no one has said that you should do any different I'm not afraid. I'm doing my bit for others to slow the spread. It's called being community minded and risk averse during an international crisis." Your not doing your bit Retrain to do tests retrain to admister jabs volunteer to take medication to the elderly Volunteer to do deliveries to the vulnerable that's helping others Staying home and avoiding everyone only helps yourself You had a chance to go home to your family last year when flights opened but you chose to stay so retrain help others by aiding the NHS in its fight against the virus And the vunerable | |||
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"If I remember rightly from previous posts you was happy to let nationalities into the UK as it was the humane thing to do if they wasn't allowed in by other countries and like I said then if we are restricted on leaving then it's no good allowing others in to bring variants with them Try using the quote and comment function so we know who you are addressing." Sorry not aimed at you | |||
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"If I remember rightly from previous posts you was happy to let nationalities into the UK as it was the humane thing to do if they wasn't allowed in by other countries and like I said then if we are restricted on leaving then it's no good allowing others in to bring variants with them I was happy to let refugees in and vaccinate them. Because I recognise that this is a global problem and I have compassion. I didn't say "and let them run around infecting everyone": quarantine exists. I agree we should close the borders, except perhaps on compassionate grounds. But personally I'd close the borders to everyone, in or out, until the entire population has had a chance to be vaccinated with a full dose (two jabs). Including children." Compassionate grounds Once they have isolated they can still catch it spread it so how does that help an already struggling country Sorry but if we are going to stop variants entering then no one should be allowed in Your not gonna care cause you won't come into contact with any of them | |||
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"Then let's hope the vaccine is helpful against the changes Can't see many people worrying about variants by the ques outside the travel agents think once we are allowed to leave a very good fair few won't be thinking of variants when their on the plane That's because they probably don't understand the risks fully. Just look at what happened worldwide when people went on their jollies last summer... If Johnny jumps off a bridge, does this mean you have to do it too? Nope it doesn't but it also doesn't mean I should lock myself away in fear I will continue to do what I want and when I'm permitted no one has said that you should do any different I'm not afraid. I'm doing my bit for others to slow the spread. It's called being community minded and risk averse during an international crisis. Your not doing your bit Retrain to do tests retrain to admister jabs volunteer to take medication to the elderly Volunteer to do deliveries to the vulnerable that's helping others Staying home and avoiding everyone only helps yourself You had a chance to go home to your family last year when flights opened but you chose to stay so retrain help others by aiding the NHS in its fight against the virus And the vunerable" How do you know what other people are doing to help? How do you know people are not helping from home by, oh I don't know, volunteering to support elderly people who are isolated?? Just an example that popped into my head  | |||
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"Then let's hope the vaccine is helpful against the changes Can't see many people worrying about variants by the ques outside the travel agents think once we are allowed to leave a very good fair few won't be thinking of variants when their on the plane That's because they probably don't understand the risks fully. Just look at what happened worldwide when people went on their jollies last summer... If Johnny jumps off a bridge, does this mean you have to do it too? Nope it doesn't but it also doesn't mean I should lock myself away in fear I will continue to do what I want and when I'm permitted no one has said that you should do any different I'm not afraid. I'm doing my bit for others to slow the spread. It's called being community minded and risk averse during an international crisis. Your not doing your bit Retrain to do tests retrain to admister jabs volunteer to take medication to the elderly Volunteer to do deliveries to the vulnerable that's helping others Staying home and avoiding everyone only helps yourself You had a chance to go home to your family last year when flights opened but you chose to stay so retrain help others by aiding the NHS in its fight against the virus And the vunerable How do you know what other people are doing to help? How do you know people are not helping from home by, oh I don't know, volunteering to support elderly people who are isolated?? Just an example that popped into my head "Because the person it was aimed at has already told me before I'm in the wrong for going out to work and wanting a life and they are doing more by staying at home and avoiding anyone | |||
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"The point is if it mutated in India due to climate or whatever it can mutate the same in the UK from county to county So what you wanna do have your life restricted until you die or get on with living and enjoy what time you have left no-one knows what's around the corner Everything that the government has said or newspapers have reported has been stretched and over the top to keep us in fear If that's not true why didn't they both say there's a pandemic around but it's got a 98.9% survival rate expecially once vaccinated Personally I want my life back cause what I'm doing now is simply existing an to me that ain't a life There's too much scare mongering and doom n gloom people but some of us have had enough Expecially ones who have continued to work through all this and I don't mean at home " no the point is that you repeatedly make it clear that you do not understand the science you are basing your comments on and therefore every opinion you base on it is invalid | |||
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"Then let's hope the vaccine is helpful against the changes Can't see many people worrying about variants by the ques outside the travel agents think once we are allowed to leave a very good fair few won't be thinking of variants when their on the plane That's because they probably don't understand the risks fully. Just look at what happened worldwide when people went on their jollies last summer... If Johnny jumps off a bridge, does this mean you have to do it too? Nope it doesn't but it also doesn't mean I should lock myself away in fear I will continue to do what I want and when I'm permitted no one has said that you should do any different I'm not afraid. I'm doing my bit for others to slow the spread. It's called being community minded and risk averse during an international crisis. Your not doing your bit Retrain to do tests retrain to admister jabs volunteer to take medication to the elderly Volunteer to do deliveries to the vulnerable that's helping others Staying home and avoiding everyone only helps yourself You had a chance to go home to your family last year when flights opened but you chose to stay so retrain help others by aiding the NHS in its fight against the virus And the vunerable How do you know what other people are doing to help? How do you know people are not helping from home by, oh I don't know, volunteering to support elderly people who are isolated?? Just an example that popped into my head
Because the person it was aimed at has already told me before I'm in the wrong for going out to work and wanting a life and they are doing more by staying at home and avoiding anyone "Why are you being so aggressive? | |||
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"Then let's hope the vaccine is helpful against the changes Can't see many people worrying about variants by the ques outside the travel agents think once we are allowed to leave a very good fair few won't be thinking of variants when their on the plane That's because they probably don't understand the risks fully. Just look at what happened worldwide when people went on their jollies last summer... If Johnny jumps off a bridge, does this mean you have to do it too? Nope it doesn't but it also doesn't mean I should lock myself away in fear I will continue to do what I want and when I'm permitted no one has said that you should do any different I'm not afraid. I'm doing my bit for others to slow the spread. It's called being community minded and risk averse during an international crisis. Your not doing your bit Retrain to do tests retrain to admister jabs volunteer to take medication to the elderly Volunteer to do deliveries to the vulnerable that's helping others Staying home and avoiding everyone only helps yourself You had a chance to go home to your family last year when flights opened but you chose to stay so retrain help others by aiding the NHS in its fight against the virus And the vunerable How do you know what other people are doing to help? How do you know people are not helping from home by, oh I don't know, volunteering to support elderly people who are isolated?? Just an example that popped into my head
Because the person it was aimed at has already told me before I'm in the wrong for going out to work and wanting a life and they are doing more by staying at home and avoiding anyone
Why are you being so aggressive?"Not aggressive just sick of the same person saying they are doing more than others have been because they want to see an end to restrictions Personally I'm sick of having the only thing to look forward to is work | |||
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"Well, I'm glad to know my volunteering with the elderly is worthless, despite a tenfold increase in workload this year and moving from company/tea and sympathy to science education, mental health first aid, bereavement support, and more." So you do go and visit people then as can't see much first aid dine from home | |||
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"Well, I'm glad to know my volunteering with the elderly is worthless, despite a tenfold increase in workload this year and moving from company/tea and sympathy to science education, mental health first aid, bereavement support, and more. So you do go and visit people then as can't see much first aid dine from home " Perhaps add to your list of things to research "mental health first aid". | |||
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"Then let's hope the vaccine is helpful against the changes Can't see many people worrying about variants by the ques outside the travel agents think once we are allowed to leave a very good fair few won't be thinking of variants when their on the plane That's because they probably don't understand the risks fully. Just look at what happened worldwide when people went on their jollies last summer... If Johnny jumps off a bridge, does this mean you have to do it too? Nope it doesn't but it also doesn't mean I should lock myself away in fear I will continue to do what I want and when I'm permitted no one has said that you should do any different I'm not afraid. I'm doing my bit for others to slow the spread. It's called being community minded and risk averse during an international crisis. Your not doing your bit Retrain to do tests retrain to admister jabs volunteer to take medication to the elderly Volunteer to do deliveries to the vulnerable that's helping others Staying home and avoiding everyone only helps yourself You had a chance to go home to your family last year when flights opened but you chose to stay so retrain help others by aiding the NHS in its fight against the virus And the vunerable How do you know what other people are doing to help? How do you know people are not helping from home by, oh I don't know, volunteering to support elderly people who are isolated?? Just an example that popped into my head
Because the person it was aimed at has already told me before I'm in the wrong for going out to work and wanting a life and they are doing more by staying at home and avoiding anyone
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Not aggressive just sick of the same person saying they are doing more than others have been because they want to see an end to restrictions
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"Well, I'm glad to know my volunteering with the elderly is worthless, despite a tenfold increase in workload this year and moving from company/tea and sympathy to science education, mental health first aid, bereavement support, and more. So you do go and visit people then as can't see much first aid dine from home " I think you should calm down with the personal attacks. | |||
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"Well, I'm glad to know my volunteering with the elderly is worthless, despite a tenfold increase in workload this year and moving from company/tea and sympathy to science education, mental health first aid, bereavement support, and more. So you do go and visit people then as can't see much first aid dine from home " Like fuck do I. I keep my germs to myself. Because, you know, pandemic? We have this thing called a telephone which even our most incapacitated people can use. | |||
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"The point is if it mutated in India due to climate or whatever it can mutate the same in the UK from county to county So what you wanna do have your life restricted until you die or get on with living and enjoy what time you have left no-one knows what's around the corner Everything that the government has said or newspapers have reported has been stretched and over the top to keep us in fear If that's not true why didn't they both say there's a pandemic around but it's got a 98.9% survival rate expecially once vaccinated Personally I want my life back cause what I'm doing now is simply existing an to me that ain't a life There's too much scare mongering and doom n gloom people but some of us have had enough Expecially ones who have continued to work through all this and I don't mean at home no the point is that you repeatedly make it clear that you do not understand the science you are basing your comments on and therefore every opinion you base on it is invalid " I admit I don't understand it and if you read my first comment I said borders should be closed both ways to prevent variants entering Not many people do understand it as we aren't microbiologists Even they are still learning | |||
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"The point is if it mutated in India due to climate or whatever it can mutate the same in the UK from county to county So what you wanna do have your life restricted until you die or get on with living and enjoy what time you have left no-one knows what's around the corner Everything that the government has said or newspapers have reported has been stretched and over the top to keep us in fear If that's not true why didn't they both say there's a pandemic around but it's got a 98.9% survival rate expecially once vaccinated Personally I want my life back cause what I'm doing now is simply existing an to me that ain't a life There's too much scare mongering and doom n gloom people but some of us have had enough Expecially ones who have continued to work through all this and I don't mean at home no the point is that you repeatedly make it clear that you do not understand the science you are basing your comments on and therefore every opinion you base on it is invalid I admit I don't understand it and if you read my first comment I said borders should be closed both ways to prevent variants entering Not many people do understand it as we aren't microbiologists Even they are still learning " Kinky couple literally teaches microbiology. Maybe you should listen. | |||
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"The point is if it mutated in India due to climate or whatever it can mutate the same in the UK from county to county So what you wanna do have your life restricted until you die or get on with living and enjoy what time you have left no-one knows what's around the corner Everything that the government has said or newspapers have reported has been stretched and over the top to keep us in fear If that's not true why didn't they both say there's a pandemic around but it's got a 98.9% survival rate expecially once vaccinated Personally I want my life back cause what I'm doing now is simply existing an to me that ain't a life There's too much scare mongering and doom n gloom people but some of us have had enough Expecially ones who have continued to work through all this and I don't mean at home no the point is that you repeatedly make it clear that you do not understand the science you are basing your comments on and therefore every opinion you base on it is invalid I admit I don't understand it and if you read my first comment I said borders should be closed both ways to prevent variants entering Not many people do understand it as we aren't microbiologists Even they are still learning " yes but when most people don’t understand we listen to people that are qualified to educate us rather than just steam ahead repeating the same nonsense | |||
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"The point is if it mutated in India due to climate or whatever it can mutate the same in the UK from county to county So what you wanna do have your life restricted until you die or get on with living and enjoy what time you have left no-one knows what's around the corner Everything that the government has said or newspapers have reported has been stretched and over the top to keep us in fear If that's not true why didn't they both say there's a pandemic around but it's got a 98.9% survival rate expecially once vaccinated Personally I want my life back cause what I'm doing now is simply existing an to me that ain't a life There's too much scare mongering and doom n gloom people but some of us have had enough Expecially ones who have continued to work through all this and I don't mean at home no the point is that you repeatedly make it clear that you do not understand the science you are basing your comments on and therefore every opinion you base on it is invalid I admit I don't understand it and if you read my first comment I said borders should be closed both ways to prevent variants entering Not many people do understand it as we aren't microbiologists Even they are still learning Kinky couple literally teaches microbiology. Maybe you should listen." I do listen And I still want an end to lock down is that so much to want I'm sick of hearing nothing but bad news I want something to look forward to | |||
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"The point is if it mutated in India due to climate or whatever it can mutate the same in the UK from county to county So what you wanna do have your life restricted until you die or get on with living and enjoy what time you have left no-one knows what's around the corner Everything that the government has said or newspapers have reported has been stretched and over the top to keep us in fear If that's not true why didn't they both say there's a pandemic around but it's got a 98.9% survival rate expecially once vaccinated Personally I want my life back cause what I'm doing now is simply existing an to me that ain't a life There's too much scare mongering and doom n gloom people but some of us have had enough Expecially ones who have continued to work through all this and I don't mean at home no the point is that you repeatedly make it clear that you do not understand the science you are basing your comments on and therefore every opinion you base on it is invalid I admit I don't understand it and if you read my first comment I said borders should be closed both ways to prevent variants entering Not many people do understand it as we aren't microbiologists Even they are still learning yes but when most people don’t understand we listen to people that are qualified to educate us rather than just steam ahead repeating the same nonsense " I asked if it is mutating between nationalities how come we are not hearing about more local variants how is that steaming ahead | |||
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"The point is if it mutated in India due to climate or whatever it can mutate the same in the UK from county to county So what you wanna do have your life restricted until you die or get on with living and enjoy what time you have left no-one knows what's around the corner Everything that the government has said or newspapers have reported has been stretched and over the top to keep us in fear If that's not true why didn't they both say there's a pandemic around but it's got a 98.9% survival rate expecially once vaccinated Personally I want my life back cause what I'm doing now is simply existing an to me that ain't a life There's too much scare mongering and doom n gloom people but some of us have had enough Expecially ones who have continued to work through all this and I don't mean at home no the point is that you repeatedly make it clear that you do not understand the science you are basing your comments on and therefore every opinion you base on it is invalid I admit I don't understand it and if you read my first comment I said borders should be closed both ways to prevent variants entering Not many people do understand it as we aren't microbiologists Even they are still learning Kinky couple literally teaches microbiology. Maybe you should listen. I do listen And I still want an end to lock down is that so much to want I'm sick of hearing nothing but bad news I want something to look forward to " you don’t listen , this quoted thread comes after them explaining to you how mutations work and yet it still starts with you saying “ The point is if it mutated in India due to climate or whatever it can mutate the same in the UK from county to county” | |||
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"The point is if it mutated in India due to climate or whatever it can mutate the same in the UK from county to county So what you wanna do have your life restricted until you die or get on with living and enjoy what time you have left no-one knows what's around the corner Everything that the government has said or newspapers have reported has been stretched and over the top to keep us in fear If that's not true why didn't they both say there's a pandemic around but it's got a 98.9% survival rate expecially once vaccinated Personally I want my life back cause what I'm doing now is simply existing an to me that ain't a life There's too much scare mongering and doom n gloom people but some of us have had enough Expecially ones who have continued to work through all this and I don't mean at home no the point is that you repeatedly make it clear that you do not understand the science you are basing your comments on and therefore every opinion you base on it is invalid I admit I don't understand it and if you read my first comment I said borders should be closed both ways to prevent variants entering Not many people do understand it as we aren't microbiologists Even they are still learning Kinky couple literally teaches microbiology. Maybe you should listen. I do listen And I still want an end to lock down is that so much to want I'm sick of hearing nothing but bad news I want something to look forward to you don’t listen , this quoted thread comes after them explaining to you how mutations work and yet it still starts with you saying “ The point is if it mutated in India due to climate or whatever it can mutate the same in the UK from county to county”" So is that not true didn't we have a Kent version | |||
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"The point is if it mutated in India due to climate or whatever it can mutate the same in the UK from county to county So what you wanna do have your life restricted until you die or get on with living and enjoy what time you have left no-one knows what's around the corner Everything that the government has said or newspapers have reported has been stretched and over the top to keep us in fear If that's not true why didn't they both say there's a pandemic around but it's got a 98.9% survival rate expecially once vaccinated Personally I want my life back cause what I'm doing now is simply existing an to me that ain't a life There's too much scare mongering and doom n gloom people but some of us have had enough Expecially ones who have continued to work through all this and I don't mean at home no the point is that you repeatedly make it clear that you do not understand the science you are basing your comments on and therefore every opinion you base on it is invalid I admit I don't understand it and if you read my first comment I said borders should be closed both ways to prevent variants entering Not many people do understand it as we aren't microbiologists Even they are still learning Kinky couple literally teaches microbiology. Maybe you should listen. I do listen And I still want an end to lock down is that so much to want I'm sick of hearing nothing but bad news I want something to look forward to you don’t listen , this quoted thread comes after them explaining to you how mutations work and yet it still starts with you saying “ The point is if it mutated in India due to climate or whatever it can mutate the same in the UK from county to county” So is that not true didn't we have a Kent version " yes we did , and again if you read what is on the thread you would have learned that is because we named it after where it was first discovered, nothing to do with geography or the virus moving from place to place mutations are happening all the time, most of them are tiny and not of concern, only the significant mutations are being given names | |||
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"The point is if it mutated in India due to climate or whatever it can mutate the same in the UK from county to county So what you wanna do have your life restricted until you die or get on with living and enjoy what time you have left no-one knows what's around the corner Everything that the government has said or newspapers have reported has been stretched and over the top to keep us in fear If that's not true why didn't they both say there's a pandemic around but it's got a 98.9% survival rate expecially once vaccinated Personally I want my life back cause what I'm doing now is simply existing an to me that ain't a life There's too much scare mongering and doom n gloom people but some of us have had enough Expecially ones who have continued to work through all this and I don't mean at home no the point is that you repeatedly make it clear that you do not understand the science you are basing your comments on and therefore every opinion you base on it is invalid I admit I don't understand it and if you read my first comment I said borders should be closed both ways to prevent variants entering Not many people do understand it as we aren't microbiologists Even they are still learning Kinky couple literally teaches microbiology. Maybe you should listen. I do listen And I still want an end to lock down is that so much to want I'm sick of hearing nothing but bad news I want something to look forward to you don’t listen , this quoted thread comes after them explaining to you how mutations work and yet it still starts with you saying “ The point is if it mutated in India due to climate or whatever it can mutate the same in the UK from county to county” So is that not true didn't we have a Kent version yes we did , and again if you read what is on the thread you would have learned that is because we named it after where it was first discovered, nothing to do with geography or the virus moving from place to place mutations are happening all the time, most of them are tiny and not of concern, only the significant mutations are being given names " OK so I stand by my first post which states our borders should be closed I then went on to say I didn't understand the variants | |||
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"The point is if it mutated in India due to climate or whatever it can mutate the same in the UK from county to county So what you wanna do have your life restricted until you die or get on with living and enjoy what time you have left no-one knows what's around the corner Everything that the government has said or newspapers have reported has been stretched and over the top to keep us in fear If that's not true why didn't they both say there's a pandemic around but it's got a 98.9% survival rate expecially once vaccinated Personally I want my life back cause what I'm doing now is simply existing an to me that ain't a life There's too much scare mongering and doom n gloom people but some of us have had enough Expecially ones who have continued to work through all this and I don't mean at home no the point is that you repeatedly make it clear that you do not understand the science you are basing your comments on and therefore every opinion you base on it is invalid I admit I don't understand it and if you read my first comment I said borders should be closed both ways to prevent variants entering Not many people do understand it as we aren't microbiologists Even they are still learning Kinky couple literally teaches microbiology. Maybe you should listen. I do listen And I still want an end to lock down is that so much to want I'm sick of hearing nothing but bad news I want something to look forward to you don’t listen , this quoted thread comes after them explaining to you how mutations work and yet it still starts with you saying “ The point is if it mutated in India due to climate or whatever it can mutate the same in the UK from county to county” So is that not true didn't we have a Kent version yes we did , and again if you read what is on the thread you would have learned that is because we named it after where it was first discovered, nothing to do with geography or the virus moving from place to place mutations are happening all the time, most of them are tiny and not of concern, only the significant mutations are being given names OK so I stand by my first post which states our borders should be closed I then went on to say I didn't understand the variants " If you don't understand the variants, there is loads of information that has been posted amongst the replies above. You don't need to be a virologist or microbiologist to understand the way that mutations (variants) work, but obviously sometimes the information just misses its target. The reason that this particular variant (or mutation) of the virus is worrying, is because it appears to have altered the "spike protein". If you think of the virus as having a shape like a jigsaw piece, the "spike proteins" are what creates the shape. Then the immunity in our body is the exact shape for the jigsaw piece to slot into. So... if the spike protein changes then it doesn't fit into the (immunity)jigsaw anymore, and a new immune response is required. I hope this helps. Cal | |||
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" OK so I stand by my first post which states our borders should be closed I then went on to say I didn't understand the variants ------ If you don't understand the variants, there is loads of information that has been posted amongst the replies above. You don't need to be a virologist or microbiologist to understand the way that mutations (variants) work, but obviously sometimes the information just misses its target. The reason that this particular variant (or mutation) of the virus is worrying, is because it appears to have altered the "spike protein". If you think of the virus as having a shape like a jigsaw piece, the "spike proteins" are what creates the shape. Then the immunity in our body is the exact shape for the jigsaw piece to slot into. So... if the spike protein changes then it doesn't fit into the (immunity)jigsaw anymore, and a new immune response is required. I hope this helps. Cal" I will apologise to the experts on the thread for my oversimplified "pseudo" explanation.  | |||
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"The point is if it mutated in India due to climate or whatever it can mutate the same in the UK from county to county So what you wanna do have your life restricted until you die or get on with living and enjoy what time you have left no-one knows what's around the corner Everything that the government has said or newspapers have reported has been stretched and over the top to keep us in fear If that's not true why didn't they both say there's a pandemic around but it's got a 98.9% survival rate expecially once vaccinated Personally I want my life back cause what I'm doing now is simply existing an to me that ain't a life There's too much scare mongering and doom n gloom people but some of us have had enough Expecially ones who have continued to work through all this and I don't mean at home no the point is that you repeatedly make it clear that you do not understand the science you are basing your comments on and therefore every opinion you base on it is invalid I admit I don't understand it and if you read my first comment I said borders should be closed both ways to prevent variants entering Not many people do understand it as we aren't microbiologists Even they are still learning Kinky couple literally teaches microbiology. Maybe you should listen. I do listen And I still want an end to lock down is that so much to want I'm sick of hearing nothing but bad news I want something to look forward to you don’t listen , this quoted thread comes after them explaining to you how mutations work and yet it still starts with you saying “ The point is if it mutated in India due to climate or whatever it can mutate the same in the UK from county to county” So is that not true didn't we have a Kent version yes we did , and again if you read what is on the thread you would have learned that is because we named it after where it was first discovered, nothing to do with geography or the virus moving from place to place mutations are happening all the time, most of them are tiny and not of concern, only the significant mutations are being given names OK so I stand by my first post which states our borders should be closed I then went on to say I didn't understand the variants If you don't understand the variants, there is loads of information that has been posted amongst the replies above. You don't need to be a virologist or microbiologist to understand the way that mutations (variants) work, but obviously sometimes the information just misses its target. The reason that this particular variant (or mutation) of the virus is worrying, is because it appears to have altered the "spike protein". If you think of the virus as having a shape like a jigsaw piece, the "spike proteins" are what creates the shape. Then the immunity in our body is the exact shape for the jigsaw piece to slot into. So... if the spike protein changes then it doesn't fit into the (immunity)jigsaw anymore, and a new immune response is required. I hope this helps. Cal"
Also, a lot of somewhat strained communication could be avoided, if people listened better and did a little research.
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"This has the feeling of deja vu... 77 cases of this "extremely dangerous" variant that "could put us back to square one" have been found in the UK. And yet arrivals from India can just walk out no isolation nor quarantine... Wtf.. https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-indian-variant-could-scupper-easing-of-uk-coronavirus-lockdown-rules-warns-expert-12277830 " People seem very quick to forget that most of the world is currently suffering from the English variant of Covid-19. Vaccinate, trace, treat... it’s the best way forward. As for the various posts suggesting we treat the rest of the world as “the enemy” I fear you’ve lost sight of the fact that we wish for our people to resume their multinational lives and businesses to resume. If you want to see the results of a policy to close all borders then New Zealand is a great pointer.... virtually no infections but now heading towards its second year of a decimated tourist industry and a widespread financial crisis. There’s no perfect solution here, but blaming other nations, singling out less fortunate countries with higher poverty levels moves us firmly away from a humane and considered course of action. The world needs to be vaccinated, that’s the end point we should strive towards x | |||
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"I find it difficult to believe that people coming in from India aren't required to quarantine but there it is, right in front of my eyes. I genuinely am at a loss" To think that people still reckon Boris Buffoon is still doing a good job. Priceless | |||
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"This has the feeling of deja vu... 77 cases of this "extremely dangerous" variant that "could put us back to square one" have been found in the UK. And yet arrivals from India can just walk out no isolation nor quarantine... Wtf.. https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-indian-variant-could-scupper-easing-of-uk-coronavirus-lockdown-rules-warns-expert-12277830 People seem very quick to forget that most of the world is currently suffering from the English variant of Covid-19. Vaccinate, trace, treat... it’s the best way forward. As for the various posts suggesting we treat the rest of the world as “the enemy” I fear you’ve lost sight of the fact that we wish for our people to resume their multinational lives and businesses to resume. If you want to see the results of a policy to close all borders then New Zealand is a great pointer.... virtually no infections but now heading towards its second year of a decimated tourist industry and a widespread financial crisis. There’s no perfect solution here, but blaming other nations, singling out less fortunate countries with higher poverty levels moves us firmly away from a humane and considered course of action. The world needs to be vaccinated, that’s the end point we should strive towards x" i didn’t read it as a blame on india or any other country that has a variant, but it does seem counterintuitive to allow travel from anywhere til both we and they reach appropriate levels pf vaccination to reduce risk of a mutation that brings us back to step 1 the way i see it is get your own house in order with the border closed, that allows the economy to reopen in your own country, then switch your efforts to assisting with the international crisis which will at some point allow the borders to open and international travel return to normal | |||
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"I don't think it's an Indian variant but it may be an India variant. " It's B.1.617 if we're going to be technical. | |||
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"i didn’t read it as a blame on india or any other country that has a variant, but it does seem counterintuitive to allow travel from anywhere til both we and they reach appropriate levels pf vaccination to reduce risk of a mutation that brings us back to step 1 the way i see it is get your own house in order with the border closed, that allows the economy to reopen in your own country, then switch your efforts to assisting with the international crisis which will at some point allow the borders to open and international travel return to normal " This is the point, we have circa 77 recorded cases, none are currently in hospital and testing suggests there is no rapid spread of the new variant. Every action we take does damage either physically in illness, deaths etc or economically in the knock on to businesses.we have to gauge which is the worst outcome and these policies are taken with that in mind. To be honest I just get bored of the very ill considered journalism that strives to create a crisis from every new event or the desire to use whatever we can to undermine government, policy or direction. I’m no fan of Boris and co but this is an absolute non story. 2 weeks ago we where all being led to believe the Oxford vaccine would be killing multitudes with blood clots... the reality is the contraception pill has a higher chance of doing so... this kind of blinkered journalism does a lot of damage and is ridiculously alarmist. As a city centre ICU we have zero special provision for the India variant, we are very well informed about it but currently it presents no increased risk to our city, it’s population or indeed our ability to treat people. I hasten to add those decisions have been made by people who have dedicated their lives to virology, patient treatment and infectious diseases. Our world is opening up, currently we are seeing no negative reactions to it doing so... we should be cautious but celebrate that and move forward in a considered manner. | |||
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"This has the feeling of deja vu... 77 cases of this "extremely dangerous" variant that "could put us back to square one" have been found in the UK. And yet arrivals from India can just walk out no isolation nor quarantine... Wtf.. https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-indian-variant-could-scupper-easing-of-uk-coronavirus-lockdown-rules-warns-expert-12277830 People seem very quick to forget that most of the world is currently suffering from the English variant of Covid-19. Vaccinate, trace, treat... it’s the best way forward. As for the various posts suggesting we treat the rest of the world as “the enemy” I fear you’ve lost sight of the fact that we wish for our people to resume their multinational lives and businesses to resume. If you want to see the results of a policy to close all borders then New Zealand is a great pointer.... virtually no infections but now heading towards its second year of a decimated tourist industry and a widespread financial crisis. There’s no perfect solution here, but blaming other nations, singling out less fortunate countries with higher poverty levels moves us firmly away from a humane and considered course of action. The world needs to be vaccinated, that’s the end point we should strive towards x i didn’t read it as a blame on india or any other country that has a variant, but it does seem counterintuitive to allow travel from anywhere til both we and they reach appropriate levels pf vaccination to reduce risk of a mutation that brings us back to step 1 the way i see it is get your own house in order with the border closed, that allows the economy to reopen in your own country, then switch your efforts to assisting with the international crisis which will at some point allow the borders to open and international travel return to normal " I had thought that's what we were doing... But... It seems not. I'd be very interested to know exactly how many people are crossing our borders, from where, and what happens to them. If any many or none are being tested, isolated before anything else. The skies seem awfully busy around Heathrow considering we aren't allowed to fly anywhere. | |||
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"Personally think looking at stats I've more chance of dying of cancer than covid so I've stopped worrying I continue to social distance where possible some of my job tasks make this difficult I wear my mask in public places and offices at work I wash my hands regular and sanitise with alcohol I've had my vaccine not much else I can do unless I give up my lively hood and lock myself away Only to die of something else " Exactly | |||
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"This has the feeling of deja vu... 77 cases of this "extremely dangerous" variant that "could put us back to square one" have been found in the UK. And yet arrivals from India can just walk out no isolation nor quarantine... Wtf.. https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-indian-variant-could-scupper-easing-of-uk-coronavirus-lockdown-rules-warns-expert-12277830 People seem very quick to forget that most of the world is currently suffering from the English variant of Covid-19. Vaccinate, trace, treat... it’s the best way forward. As for the various posts suggesting we treat the rest of the world as “the enemy” I fear you’ve lost sight of the fact that we wish for our people to resume their multinational lives and businesses to resume. If you want to see the results of a policy to close all borders then New Zealand is a great pointer.... virtually no infections but now heading towards its second year of a decimated tourist industry and a widespread financial crisis. There’s no perfect solution here, but blaming other nations, singling out less fortunate countries with higher poverty levels moves us firmly away from a humane and considered course of action. The world needs to be vaccinated, that’s the end point we should strive towards x i didn’t read it as a blame on india or any other country that has a variant, but it does seem counterintuitive to allow travel from anywhere til both we and they reach appropriate levels pf vaccination to reduce risk of a mutation that brings us back to step 1 the way i see it is get your own house in order with the border closed, that allows the economy to reopen in your own country, then switch your efforts to assisting with the international crisis which will at some point allow the borders to open and international travel return to normal I had thought that's what we were doing... But... It seems not. I'd be very interested to know exactly how many people are crossing our borders, from where, and what happens to them. If any many or none are being tested, isolated before anything else. The skies seem awfully busy around Heathrow considering we aren't allowed to fly anywhere. " yea i read on this thread 8k tourists a day, i thought it was essential travel only just now | |||
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"That'll be a few thousand more people travelling here, before the deadline at 4am on Friday and all needing hotel quarantine.
They are having to lay on extra flights to accommodate the rush in the last few days to get back before they have to isolate. It's a beautiful thing "Sigh | |||
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"That'll be a few thousand more people travelling here, before the deadline at 4am on Friday and all needing hotel quarantine.
They are having to lay on extra flights to accommodate the rush in the last few days to get back before they have to isolate. It's a beautiful thing
Sigh"And here you go... Get this.. Current Community infection levels in UK... 28 per 100,000. 3400 arrivals from India in the 2 weeks to 6 April (while infection rates in India were half what they are now)... Of those 161 were tested positive for covid on ARRIVAL!... So to put that in comparison that is 4800 per 100,000....which is almost 200 times higher than our community rate. And these people not required to quarantine... Self isolate... Fucking disgraceful. | |||
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"That'll be a few thousand more people travelling here, before the deadline at 4am on Friday and all needing hotel quarantine.
They are having to lay on extra flights to accommodate the rush in the last few days to get back before they have to isolate. It's a beautiful thing
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And here you go... Get this..
Current Community infection levels in UK... 28 per 100,000.
3400 arrivals from India in the 2 weeks to 6 April (while infection rates in India were half what they are now)...
Of those 161 were tested positive for covid on ARRIVAL!... So to put that in comparison that is 4800 per 100,000....which is almost 200 times higher than our community rate. And these people not required to quarantine... Self isolate... Fucking disgraceful. "That truly beggers belief | |||
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"That'll be a few thousand more people travelling here, before the deadline at 4am on Friday and all needing hotel quarantine.
They are having to lay on extra flights to accommodate the rush in the last few days to get back before they have to isolate. It's a beautiful thing
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And here you go... Get this..
Current Community infection levels in UK... 28 per 100,000.
3400 arrivals from India in the 2 weeks to 6 April (while infection rates in India were half what they are now)...
Of those 161 were tested positive for covid on ARRIVAL!... So to put that in comparison that is 4800 per 100,000....which is almost 200 times higher than our community rate. And these people not required to quarantine... Self isolate... Fucking disgraceful.
That truly beggers belief "Here's the source by the way https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-56806103 | |||
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"That'll be a few thousand more people travelling here, before the deadline at 4am on Friday and all needing hotel quarantine.
They are having to lay on extra flights to accommodate the rush in the last few days to get back before they have to isolate. It's a beautiful thing
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And here you go... Get this..
Current Community infection levels in UK... 28 per 100,000.
3400 arrivals from India in the 2 weeks to 6 April (while infection rates in India were half what they are now)...
Of those 161 were tested positive for covid on ARRIVAL!... So to put that in comparison that is 4800 per 100,000....which is almost 200 times higher than our community rate. And these people not required to quarantine... Self isolate... Fucking disgraceful. "I’m not sure why you think they don’t need to self isolate upon return, all passengers into the UK (with a few exceptions) need to - quarantine for 10 days - take a coronavirus (COVID-19) test on day 2 and day 8 of quarantining unless your job permits exemption - follow the national social distancing rules If you are travelling from a red list country it is different | |||
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"That'll be a few thousand more people travelling here, before the deadline at 4am on Friday and all needing hotel quarantine.
They are having to lay on extra flights to accommodate the rush in the last few days to get back before they have to isolate. It's a beautiful thing
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And here you go... Get this..
Current Community infection levels in UK... 28 per 100,000.
3400 arrivals from India in the 2 weeks to 6 April (while infection rates in India were half what they are now)...
Of those 161 were tested positive for covid on ARRIVAL!... So to put that in comparison that is 4800 per 100,000....which is almost 200 times higher than our community rate. And these people not required to quarantine... Self isolate... Fucking disgraceful.
That truly beggers belief
Here's the source by the way
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-56806103
"its not fully true though, they do need to quarantine and self isolate, just not in a pre specified hotel and test the fact we even have this data shows to some extent the measures we have in place are doing what we hoped yes they could be stricter , but no point throwing out false stories to panic people , particularly when all it serves to do is have them go fuck this if they can be out and about so can i, i am done with restrictions | |||
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"That'll be a few thousand more people travelling here, before the deadline at 4am on Friday and all needing hotel quarantine.
They are having to lay on extra flights to accommodate the rush in the last few days to get back before they have to isolate. It's a beautiful thing
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And here you go... Get this..
Current Community infection levels in UK... 28 per 100,000.
3400 arrivals from India in the 2 weeks to 6 April (while infection rates in India were half what they are now)...
Of those 161 were tested positive for covid on ARRIVAL!... So to put that in comparison that is 4800 per 100,000....which is almost 200 times higher than our community rate. And these people not required to quarantine... Self isolate... Fucking disgraceful.
That truly beggers belief
Here's the source by the way
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-56806103
its not fully true though, they do need to quarantine and self isolate, just not in a pre specified hotel
and test
the fact we even have this data shows to some extent the measures we have in place are doing what we hoped
yes they could be stricter , but no point throwing out false stories to panic people , particularly when all it serves to do is have them go fuck this if they can be out and about so can i, i am done with restrictions "It's not false. They got on a flight and landed here with covid and they don't have to quarantine until Friday. Its ludicrous. | |||
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"That'll be a few thousand more people travelling here, before the deadline at 4am on Friday and all needing hotel quarantine.
They are having to lay on extra flights to accommodate the rush in the last few days to get back before they have to isolate. It's a beautiful thing
Sigh
And here you go... Get this..
Current Community infection levels in UK... 28 per 100,000.
3400 arrivals from India in the 2 weeks to 6 April (while infection rates in India were half what they are now)...
Of those 161 were tested positive for covid on ARRIVAL!... So to put that in comparison that is 4800 per 100,000....which is almost 200 times higher than our community rate. And these people not required to quarantine... Self isolate... Fucking disgraceful.
That truly beggers belief
Here's the source by the way
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-56806103
its not fully true though, they do need to quarantine and self isolate, just not in a pre specified hotel
and test
the fact we even have this data shows to some extent the measures we have in place are doing what we hoped
yes they could be stricter , but no point throwing out false stories to panic people , particularly when all it serves to do is have them go fuck this if they can be out and about so can i, i am done with restrictions
It's not false. They got on a flight and landed here with covid and they don't have to quarantine until Friday. Its ludicrous. "they do have to quarantine, just not in a pre specified hotel , they can do it at their own residence india has the same restrictions as america at the moment - did you see how harry had to quarantine then negative test to release ? same rules | |||
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"Not sure if it's been mentioned already, but the Indian variant has a propensity to put the victims into a deep Korma.. " This isn't true at all. This is nonsense, and deeply irresponsible to spread rumours about. You are phall of shit. | |||
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"Not sure if it's been mentioned already, but the Indian variant has a propensity to put the victims into a deep Korma.. This isn't true at all. This is nonsense, and deeply irresponsible to spread rumours about. You are phall of shit." Where's you sense of humour | |||
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"Not sure if it's been mentioned already, but the Indian variant has a propensity to put the victims into a deep Korma.. This isn't true at all. This is nonsense, and deeply irresponsible to spread rumours about. You are phall of shit.Where's you sense of humour "read it again ... they have the same sense of humour lol | |||
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"Not sure if it's been mentioned already, but the Indian variant has a propensity to put the victims into a deep Korma.. This isn't true at all. This is nonsense, and deeply irresponsible to spread rumours about. You are phall of shit.Where's you sense of humour
read it again ... they have the same sense of humour lol "Oh yeah doh  | |||
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"This one at least sounds tasty.." Under rated comment ^^^ | |||
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"There will be more variants to cone, as each country and its own type of covid waiting to be found." Hopefully we might be a bit smarter at managing who's landing in our country, if they are tested positive or negative and where they go to when they land. | |||
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"There will be more variants to cone, as each country and its own type of covid waiting to be found." this is not how variants work, they are not created region to region, they are just named after the region they are found in | |||
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"There will be more variants to cone, as each country and its own type of covid waiting to be found. this is not how variants work, they are not created region to region, they are just named after the region they are found in " Well, we try not to do that, but B117 isn't as memorable as Kent nor P1 as memorable as Brazil. I forget the number for South Africa but they call it EEK and that seems fitting | |||
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"For those who mention the AUS/NZ model, it has one potential flaw. Having spoke to a supplier in Australia last week he said the test and isolate model has worked well, but sometime in the future they need to open borders. To do that they need to vaccinate and quickly. His concern was if the virus escapes detection, then there is one large population open to rapid infection. At the moment they are doing well, but for how much longer. India was doing well but it seemed to have got out of hand, a country that size and population will make it nigh on impossible to get it back under control. " They're vaccinating, although the failure of the CSIRO/UQ vaccine, the reliance on the Oxford vaccine slows that down (not because supplies are being sent to PNG and Timor Leste, but because with the blood clots they're saying only people over 50 are to have Oxford) I think when Perth WA had a single case they did over 60k tests. It's not like they're not looking. Tbh the big flaw is the Australian citizens and permanent residents who are stranded because they can't get home. In the region of 40 000 of them. | |||
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"This has the feeling of deja vu... 77 cases of this "extremely dangerous" variant that "could put us back to square one" have been found in the UK. And yet arrivals from India can just walk out no isolation nor quarantine... Wtf.. https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-indian-variant-could-scupper-easing-of-uk-coronavirus-lockdown-rules-warns-expert-12277830 " LOL. People have been arriving from Japan from day one with no problems or quarantine this is not new stop listening to the lying media. We should be fully open now like Florida, Texas and the 12 other states we cannot close the country indefinitely this is complete madness. We need to learn to live with this and we probably have herd immunity already. What's wrong with people? This is like like living in crazy land | |||
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"This has the feeling of deja vu... 77 cases of this "extremely dangerous" variant that "could put us back to square one" have been found in the UK. And yet arrivals from India can just walk out no isolation nor quarantine... Wtf.. https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-indian-variant-could-scupper-easing-of-uk-coronavirus-lockdown-rules-warns-expert-12277830 LOL. People have been arriving from Japan from day one with no problems or quarantine this is not new stop listening to the lying media. We should be fully open now like Florida, Texas and the 12 other states we cannot close the country indefinitely this is complete madness. We need to learn to live with this and we probably have herd immunity already. What's wrong with people? This is like like living in crazy land " when you preface your post with a condescending LOL it kinda makes the rest of it hard to take seriously | |||
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"This has the feeling of deja vu... 77 cases of this "extremely dangerous" variant that "could put us back to square one" have been found in the UK. And yet arrivals from India can just walk out no isolation nor quarantine... Wtf.. https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-indian-variant-could-scupper-easing-of-uk-coronavirus-lockdown-rules-warns-expert-12277830 LOL. People have been arriving from Japan from day one with no problems or quarantine this is not new stop listening to the lying media. We should be fully open now like Florida, Texas and the 12 other states we cannot close the country indefinitely this is complete madness. We need to learn to live with this and we probably have herd immunity already. What's wrong with people? This is like like living in crazy land " I know. Imagine listening to evidence during a pandemic. Ridiculous | |||
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"This has the feeling of deja vu... 77 cases of this "extremely dangerous" variant that "could put us back to square one" have been found in the UK. And yet arrivals from India can just walk out no isolation nor quarantine... Wtf.. https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-indian-variant-could-scupper-easing-of-uk-coronavirus-lockdown-rules-warns-expert-12277830 LOL. People have been arriving from Japan from day one with no problems or quarantine this is not new stop listening to the lying media. We should be fully open now like Florida, Texas and the 12 other states we cannot close the country indefinitely this is complete madness. We need to learn to live with this and we probably have herd immunity already. What's wrong with people? This is like like living in crazy land " You're comparing arrivals from Japan ... (which are about a 20th of the arrivals from india).. And who have 3000 new infections a day... With India who were 300k new infections yesterday and who have tens of thousands of arrivals in their seasonal travel.? | |||
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