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"Would it make sense to make these antibody tests readily available? maybe using parts of the, very much under used, test centres throughout the country. People could find out if they have the antibodies before they were vaccinated, then, if they had the antibodies, they wouldn’t need the vaccine and it could go to somebody else that does. The government could save a bit of money on vaccinations and give a lot of people, worried about the virus, some reassurances if they already have the antibodies. Just a thought... " The antibody tests have to be processed in a lab. The cost of doing it doesn't make sense when having the vaccine simply boosts and natural immunity and therefore can only be a good thing. In short, it's not worth doing it. | |||
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"Would it make sense to make these antibody tests readily available? maybe using parts of the, very much under used, test centres throughout the country. People could find out if they have the antibodies before they were vaccinated, then, if they had the antibodies, they wouldn’t need the vaccine and it could go to somebody else that does. The government could save a bit of money on vaccinations and give a lot of people, worried about the virus, some reassurances if they already have the antibodies. Just a thought... The antibody tests have to be processed in a lab. The cost of doing it doesn't make sense when having the vaccine simply boosts and natural immunity and therefore can only be a good thing. In short, it's not worth doing it." If the vaccine was 100% safe I’d agree with you... but it’s not. You would lessen the people exposed to the risk from the vaccine possibly? | |||
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"Would it make sense to make these antibody tests readily available? maybe using parts of the, very much under used, test centres throughout the country. People could find out if they have the antibodies before they were vaccinated, then, if they had the antibodies, they wouldn’t need the vaccine and it could go to somebody else that does. The government could save a bit of money on vaccinations and give a lot of people, worried about the virus, some reassurances if they already have the antibodies. Just a thought... The antibody tests have to be processed in a lab. The cost of doing it doesn't make sense when having the vaccine simply boosts and natural immunity and therefore can only be a good thing. In short, it's not worth doing it. If the vaccine was 100% safe I’d agree with you... but it’s not. You would lessen the people exposed to the risk from the vaccine possibly? " Surely that would be another, different test to do with clotting etc. no drug is 100% safe but risk factors so low that testing to exclude any or all would also not be financially worth doing. | |||
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"Would it make sense to make these antibody tests readily available? maybe using parts of the, very much under used, test centres throughout the country. People could find out if they have the antibodies before they were vaccinated, then, if they had the antibodies, they wouldn’t need the vaccine and it could go to somebody else that does. The government could save a bit of money on vaccinations and give a lot of people, worried about the virus, some reassurances if they already have the antibodies. Just a thought... The antibody tests have to be processed in a lab. The cost of doing it doesn't make sense when having the vaccine simply boosts and natural immunity and therefore can only be a good thing. In short, it's not worth doing it. If the vaccine was 100% safe I’d agree with you... but it’s not. You would lessen the people exposed to the risk from the vaccine possibly? Surely that would be another, different test to do with clotting etc. no drug is 100% safe but risk factors so low that testing to exclude any or all would also not be financially worth doing." I’m not sure about that? This is not small numbers, we are talking massive numbers of people that may already have antibodies, either from having Covid or built up from having other coronaviruses. Meaning lots of people not exposed to the risk of vaccine. You also have the peace of mind factor, I’m sure a lot of people would like to know if they already had antibodies before taking any risk, no matter how small, from the vaccine. | |||
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"A study of 80 -99 year olds (165 total) showed that after 5 -6 weeks there was a high antibody response, 93% for Pfizer and 87% for AZ, from just the first jab which would indicate that the scientific advice on spacing between first and second jabs is correct and that the Government were right to pursue vaccinating as many people first rather than a second jab after 3 weeks. Encouragingly for the AZ vaccine, it has a 3 times stronger response in regards to T-cells over the Pfizer. T cells are thought to help in fighting more severe infection and against virus variants. People who have had a Coronavirus infection and also vaccinated had an antibody response 600 times higher which is encouraging as the second vaccine dose is hoped to initiate a similar response." And most of this information will be put on an obscure website for most people not to see as the media do not want us reading anything possitive incase we start to think they are only peddling doom and gloom. Please post this possitive information to as many friends and family as possible | |||
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"Would it make sense to make these antibody tests readily available? maybe using parts of the, very much under used, test centres throughout the country. People could find out if they have the antibodies before they were vaccinated, then, if they had the antibodies, they wouldn’t need the vaccine and it could go to somebody else that does. The government could save a bit of money on vaccinations and give a lot of people, worried about the virus, some reassurances if they already have the antibodies. Just a thought... The antibody tests have to be processed in a lab. The cost of doing it doesn't make sense when having the vaccine simply boosts and natural immunity and therefore can only be a good thing. In short, it's not worth doing it. If the vaccine was 100% safe I’d agree with you... but it’s not. You would lessen the people exposed to the risk from the vaccine possibly? Surely that would be another, different test to do with clotting etc. no drug is 100% safe but risk factors so low that testing to exclude any or all would also not be financially worth doing. I’m not sure about that? This is not small numbers, we are talking massive numbers of people that may already have antibodies, either from having Covid or built up from having other coronaviruses. Meaning lots of people not exposed to the risk of vaccine. You also have the peace of mind factor, I’m sure a lot of people would like to know if they already had antibodies before taking any risk, no matter how small, from the vaccine." It would be more cost effective to spend the money on vaccines and vaccinate all rather than antibody tests to assess who needs vaccinating. You can access antibody tests privately I believe | |||
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"Would it make sense to make these antibody tests readily available? maybe using parts of the, very much under used, test centres throughout the country. People could find out if they have the antibodies before they were vaccinated, then, if they had the antibodies, they wouldn’t need the vaccine and it could go to somebody else that does. The government could save a bit of money on vaccinations and give a lot of people, worried about the virus, some reassurances if they already have the antibodies. Just a thought... The antibody tests have to be processed in a lab. The cost of doing it doesn't make sense when having the vaccine simply boosts and natural immunity and therefore can only be a good thing. In short, it's not worth doing it. If the vaccine was 100% safe I’d agree with you... but it’s not. You would lessen the people exposed to the risk from the vaccine possibly? " No drug, vaccine or medical intervention is 100% safe. Utterly impossible. | |||
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"Would it make sense to make these antibody tests readily available? maybe using parts of the, very much under used, test centres throughout the country. People could find out if they have the antibodies before they were vaccinated, then, if they had the antibodies, they wouldn’t need the vaccine and it could go to somebody else that does. The government could save a bit of money on vaccinations and give a lot of people, worried about the virus, some reassurances if they already have the antibodies. Just a thought... The antibody tests have to be processed in a lab. The cost of doing it doesn't make sense when having the vaccine simply boosts and natural immunity and therefore can only be a good thing. In short, it's not worth doing it. If the vaccine was 100% safe I’d agree with you... but it’s not. You would lessen the people exposed to the risk from the vaccine possibly? Surely that would be another, different test to do with clotting etc. no drug is 100% safe but risk factors so low that testing to exclude any or all would also not be financially worth doing. I’m not sure about that? This is not small numbers, we are talking massive numbers of people that may already have antibodies, either from having Covid or built up from having other coronaviruses. Meaning lots of people not exposed to the risk of vaccine. You also have the peace of mind factor, I’m sure a lot of people would like to know if they already had antibodies before taking any risk, no matter how small, from the vaccine. It would be more cost effective to spend the money on vaccines and vaccinate all rather than antibody tests to assess who needs vaccinating. You can access antibody tests privately I believe " Are you aware of the costing related to each? I’m not but given the money spent on furlough it would probably be a drop in the ocean. Not sure if you are aware but The Government has a magic money tree. Regardless of the cost, just going round jabbing everyone up, whether they need it or not, with a vaccine still in medical trials, seems crazy to me. An antibody test is a lot safer than the vaccine... and I’d assume a lot cheaper. | |||
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"Would it make sense to make these antibody tests readily available? maybe using parts of the, very much under used, test centres throughout the country. People could find out if they have the antibodies before they were vaccinated, then, if they had the antibodies, they wouldn’t need the vaccine and it could go to somebody else that does. The government could save a bit of money on vaccinations and give a lot of people, worried about the virus, some reassurances if they already have the antibodies. Just a thought... The antibody tests have to be processed in a lab. The cost of doing it doesn't make sense when having the vaccine simply boosts and natural immunity and therefore can only be a good thing. In short, it's not worth doing it. If the vaccine was 100% safe I’d agree with you... but it’s not. You would lessen the people exposed to the risk from the vaccine possibly? No drug, vaccine or medical intervention is 100% safe. Utterly impossible." Is there any evidence of anybody dying from taking an antibody test? Or even being seriously injured?? There is certainly evidence that the vaccine can cause serious harm but not sure about the antibody test. | |||
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"Would it make sense to make these antibody tests readily available? maybe using parts of the, very much under used, test centres throughout the country. People could find out if they have the antibodies before they were vaccinated, then, if they had the antibodies, they wouldn’t need the vaccine and it could go to somebody else that does. The government could save a bit of money on vaccinations and give a lot of people, worried about the virus, some reassurances if they already have the antibodies. Just a thought... The antibody tests have to be processed in a lab. The cost of doing it doesn't make sense when having the vaccine simply boosts and natural immunity and therefore can only be a good thing. In short, it's not worth doing it. If the vaccine was 100% safe I’d agree with you... but it’s not. You would lessen the people exposed to the risk from the vaccine possibly? Surely that would be another, different test to do with clotting etc. no drug is 100% safe but risk factors so low that testing to exclude any or all would also not be financially worth doing. I’m not sure about that? This is not small numbers, we are talking massive numbers of people that may already have antibodies, either from having Covid or built up from having other coronaviruses. Meaning lots of people not exposed to the risk of vaccine. You also have the peace of mind factor, I’m sure a lot of people would like to know if they already had antibodies before taking any risk, no matter how small, from the vaccine. It would be more cost effective to spend the money on vaccines and vaccinate all rather than antibody tests to assess who needs vaccinating. You can access antibody tests privately I believe Are you aware of the costing related to each? I’m not but given the money spent on furlough it would probably be a drop in the ocean. Not sure if you are aware but The Government has a magic money tree. Regardless of the cost, just going round jabbing everyone up, whether they need it or not, with a vaccine still in medical trials, seems crazy to me. An antibody test is a lot safer than the vaccine... and I’d assume a lot cheaper." The vaccines are cheaper than doing mass antibody tests, which to be accurate require blood tests to be drawn from a vein by a medical professional, sent to a lab for analysis etc. The vaccines are as safe as any other type of medical intervention. | |||
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"Would it make sense to make these antibody tests readily available? maybe using parts of the, very much under used, test centres throughout the country. People could find out if they have the antibodies before they were vaccinated, then, if they had the antibodies, they wouldn’t need the vaccine and it could go to somebody else that does. The government could save a bit of money on vaccinations and give a lot of people, worried about the virus, some reassurances if they already have the antibodies. Just a thought... The antibody tests have to be processed in a lab. The cost of doing it doesn't make sense when having the vaccine simply boosts and natural immunity and therefore can only be a good thing. In short, it's not worth doing it. If the vaccine was 100% safe I’d agree with you... but it’s not. You would lessen the people exposed to the risk from the vaccine possibly? Surely that would be another, different test to do with clotting etc. no drug is 100% safe but risk factors so low that testing to exclude any or all would also not be financially worth doing. I’m not sure about that? This is not small numbers, we are talking massive numbers of people that may already have antibodies, either from having Covid or built up from having other coronaviruses. Meaning lots of people not exposed to the risk of vaccine. You also have the peace of mind factor, I’m sure a lot of people would like to know if they already had antibodies before taking any risk, no matter how small, from the vaccine. It would be more cost effective to spend the money on vaccines and vaccinate all rather than antibody tests to assess who needs vaccinating. You can access antibody tests privately I believe Are you aware of the costing related to each? I’m not but given the money spent on furlough it would probably be a drop in the ocean. Not sure if you are aware but The Government has a magic money tree. Regardless of the cost, just going round jabbing everyone up, whether they need it or not, with a vaccine still in medical trials, seems crazy to me. An antibody test is a lot safer than the vaccine... and I’d assume a lot cheaper. The vaccines are cheaper than doing mass antibody tests, which to be accurate require blood tests to be drawn from a vein by a medical professional, sent to a lab for analysis etc. The vaccines are as safe as any other type of medical intervention." I’m sure the government could negotiate a good price, especially given the numbers they would be processing.. it was just a suggestion anyway... a idea for lessening the chances of somebody getting seriously hurt from a new vaccine. | |||
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"The chances of someone getting hurt from the vaccine is less than dieing in a plane crash but for arguements The possible blood clots for instance if link is proven 1 in 250k Female contraceptive 1 in 2k Dvt from flying 1 in 1k Dvt in general population 39/47 in 1 million Also Paracetamol has been banned in some states of the US as it has been proven to be carcinogenic and can cause cancer ? If you were to read every over the counter medications leaflet there are millions of possible side effects but billions are still taken day in day out. "  | |||
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"The chances of someone getting hurt from the vaccine is less than dieing in a plane crash but for arguements The possible blood clots for instance if link is proven 1 in 250k Female contraceptive 1 in 2k Dvt from flying 1 in 1k Dvt in general population 39/47 in 1 million Also Paracetamol has been banned in some states of the US as it has been proven to be carcinogenic and can cause cancer ? If you were to read every over the counter medications leaflet there are millions of possible side effects but billions are still taken day in day out. "Oh alright then, let’s just give it to anybody because there is risk in everything. Never mind that’s still in clinical trials, long term effects etc! Let’s not minimise the chances of somebody getting hurt from the vaccine... it doesn’t matter does it? that would be too much trouble. Just jab them up.. and if you don’t like it!! Tough! Cos that’s how we treat people nowadays. | |||
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"Would it make sense to make these antibody tests readily available? maybe using parts of the, very much under used, test centres throughout the country. People could find out if they have the antibodies before they were vaccinated, then, if they had the antibodies, they wouldn’t need the vaccine and it could go to somebody else that does. The government could save a bit of money on vaccinations and give a lot of people, worried about the virus, some reassurances if they already have the antibodies. Just a thought... The antibody tests have to be processed in a lab. The cost of doing it doesn't make sense when having the vaccine simply boosts and natural immunity and therefore can only be a good thing. In short, it's not worth doing it. If the vaccine was 100% safe I’d agree with you... but it’s not. You would lessen the people exposed to the risk from the vaccine possibly? Surely that would be another, different test to do with clotting etc. no drug is 100% safe but risk factors so low that testing to exclude any or all would also not be financially worth doing. I’m not sure about that? This is not small numbers, we are talking massive numbers of people that may already have antibodies, either from having Covid or built up from having other coronaviruses. Meaning lots of people not exposed to the risk of vaccine. You also have the peace of mind factor, I’m sure a lot of people would like to know if they already had antibodies before taking any risk, no matter how small, from the vaccine. It would be more cost effective to spend the money on vaccines and vaccinate all rather than antibody tests to assess who needs vaccinating. You can access antibody tests privately I believe Are you aware of the costing related to each? I’m not but given the money spent on furlough it would probably be a drop in the ocean. Not sure if you are aware but The Government has a magic money tree. Regardless of the cost, just going round jabbing everyone up, whether they need it or not, with a vaccine still in medical trials, seems crazy to me. An antibody test is a lot safer than the vaccine... and I’d assume a lot cheaper." So you propose an antidoy test which to be accurate needs to be a blood test taking up nhs resources and costs to take the blood and do the test. If negative more resources to then vaccinate. A basic lab test for normal bloods cost in the region of £25 each not to mention the time that would be taken out of nhs clinics to do this and cut down staff available to perform necessary blood tests. I dont think it at all feasible or practice to test everyone prior to vaccination. | |||
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"The chances of someone getting hurt from the vaccine is less than dieing in a plane crash but for arguements The possible blood clots for instance if link is proven 1 in 250k Female contraceptive 1 in 2k Dvt from flying 1 in 1k Dvt in general population 39/47 in 1 million Also Paracetamol has been banned in some states of the US as it has been proven to be carcinogenic and can cause cancer ? If you were to read every over the counter medications leaflet there are millions of possible side effects but billions are still taken day in day out. " Paracetamol is not banned in the USA. It is referred to as acetaminophen and used widely. California has CONSIDERED labelling it as a carcinogen (Jan 2021). However the FDA states that it would be "false and misleading" to do so and illegal under federal law. Overall result - paracetamol/acetaminophen is not banned in the USA. | |||
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"Would it make sense to make these antibody tests readily available? maybe using parts of the, very much under used, test centres throughout the country. People could find out if they have the antibodies before they were vaccinated, then, if they had the antibodies, they wouldn’t need the vaccine and it could go to somebody else that does. The government could save a bit of money on vaccinations and give a lot of people, worried about the virus, some reassurances if they already have the antibodies. Just a thought... The antibody tests have to be processed in a lab. The cost of doing it doesn't make sense when having the vaccine simply boosts and natural immunity and therefore can only be a good thing. In short, it's not worth doing it. If the vaccine was 100% safe I’d agree with you... but it’s not. You would lessen the people exposed to the risk from the vaccine possibly? Surely that would be another, different test to do with clotting etc. no drug is 100% safe but risk factors so low that testing to exclude any or all would also not be financially worth doing. I’m not sure about that? This is not small numbers, we are talking massive numbers of people that may already have antibodies, either from having Covid or built up from having other coronaviruses. Meaning lots of people not exposed to the risk of vaccine. You also have the peace of mind factor, I’m sure a lot of people would like to know if they already had antibodies before taking any risk, no matter how small, from the vaccine. It would be more cost effective to spend the money on vaccines and vaccinate all rather than antibody tests to assess who needs vaccinating. You can access antibody tests privately I believe Are you aware of the costing related to each? I’m not but given the money spent on furlough it would probably be a drop in the ocean. Not sure if you are aware but The Government has a magic money tree. Regardless of the cost, just going round jabbing everyone up, whether they need it or not, with a vaccine still in medical trials, seems crazy to me. An antibody test is a lot safer than the vaccine... and I’d assume a lot cheaper. So you propose an antidoy test which to be accurate needs to be a blood test taking up nhs resources and costs to take the blood and do the test. If negative more resources to then vaccinate. A basic lab test for normal bloods cost in the region of £25 each not to mention the time that would be taken out of nhs clinics to do this and cut down staff available to perform necessary blood tests. G I dont think it at all feasible or practice to test everyone prior to vaccination. " I’m sure they have plenty of staff not doing much at the moment, given routine ops etc aren’t happening, failing that The NHS could outsource the work, they are very good at that. The cost of the test would no doubt come down if it was rolled out on a large scale... ultimately it’s about lessening the risk from the vaccine, you could do this by not giving the vaccine to people that don’t need it.... this would actually save lives and protect the NHS! | |||
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"Would it make sense to make these antibody tests readily available? maybe using parts of the, very much under used, test centres throughout the country. People could find out if they have the antibodies before they were vaccinated, then, if they had the antibodies, they wouldn’t need the vaccine and it could go to somebody else that does. The government could save a bit of money on vaccinations and give a lot of people, worried about the virus, some reassurances if they already have the antibodies. Just a thought... The antibody tests have to be processed in a lab. The cost of doing it doesn't make sense when having the vaccine simply boosts and natural immunity and therefore can only be a good thing. In short, it's not worth doing it. If the vaccine was 100% safe I’d agree with you... but it’s not. You would lessen the people exposed to the risk from the vaccine possibly? Surely that would be another, different test to do with clotting etc. no drug is 100% safe but risk factors so low that testing to exclude any or all would also not be financially worth doing. I’m not sure about that? This is not small numbers, we are talking massive numbers of people that may already have antibodies, either from having Covid or built up from having other coronaviruses. Meaning lots of people not exposed to the risk of vaccine. You also have the peace of mind factor, I’m sure a lot of people would like to know if they already had antibodies before taking any risk, no matter how small, from the vaccine. It would be more cost effective to spend the money on vaccines and vaccinate all rather than antibody tests to assess who needs vaccinating. You can access antibody tests privately I believe Are you aware of the costing related to each? I’m not but given the money spent on furlough it would probably be a drop in the ocean. Not sure if you are aware but The Government has a magic money tree. Regardless of the cost, just going round jabbing everyone up, whether they need it or not, with a vaccine still in medical trials, seems crazy to me. An antibody test is a lot safer than the vaccine... and I’d assume a lot cheaper. So you propose an antidoy test which to be accurate needs to be a blood test taking up nhs resources and costs to take the blood and do the test. If negative more resources to then vaccinate. A basic lab test for normal bloods cost in the region of £25 each not to mention the time that would be taken out of nhs clinics to do this and cut down staff available to perform necessary blood tests. G I dont think it at all feasible or practice to test everyone prior to vaccination. I’m sure they have plenty of staff not doing much at the moment, given routine ops etc aren’t happening, failing that The NHS could outsource the work, they are very good at that. The cost of the test would no doubt come down if it was rolled out on a large scale... ultimately it’s about lessening the risk from the vaccine, you could do this by not giving the vaccine to people that don’t need it.... this would actually save lives and protect the NHS!" NHS aren’t doing much work? Outsource to Bojo’s mates? Jesus you are just precious | |||
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"Would it make sense to make these antibody tests readily available? maybe using parts of the, very much under used, test centres throughout the country. People could find out if they have the antibodies before they were vaccinated, then, if they had the antibodies, they wouldn’t need the vaccine and it could go to somebody else that does. The government could save a bit of money on vaccinations and give a lot of people, worried about the virus, some reassurances if they already have the antibodies. Just a thought... The antibody tests have to be processed in a lab. The cost of doing it doesn't make sense when having the vaccine simply boosts and natural immunity and therefore can only be a good thing. In short, it's not worth doing it. If the vaccine was 100% safe I’d agree with you... but it’s not. You would lessen the people exposed to the risk from the vaccine possibly? Surely that would be another, different test to do with clotting etc. no drug is 100% safe but risk factors so low that testing to exclude any or all would also not be financially worth doing. I’m not sure about that? This is not small numbers, we are talking massive numbers of people that may already have antibodies, either from having Covid or built up from having other coronaviruses. Meaning lots of people not exposed to the risk of vaccine. You also have the peace of mind factor, I’m sure a lot of people would like to know if they already had antibodies before taking any risk, no matter how small, from the vaccine. It would be more cost effective to spend the money on vaccines and vaccinate all rather than antibody tests to assess who needs vaccinating. You can access antibody tests privately I believe Are you aware of the costing related to each? I’m not but given the money spent on furlough it would probably be a drop in the ocean. Not sure if you are aware but The Government has a magic money tree. Regardless of the cost, just going round jabbing everyone up, whether they need it or not, with a vaccine still in medical trials, seems crazy to me. An antibody test is a lot safer than the vaccine... and I’d assume a lot cheaper. So you propose an antidoy test which to be accurate needs to be a blood test taking up nhs resources and costs to take the blood and do the test. If negative more resources to then vaccinate. A basic lab test for normal bloods cost in the region of £25 each not to mention the time that would be taken out of nhs clinics to do this and cut down staff available to perform necessary blood tests. G I dont think it at all feasible or practice to test everyone prior to vaccination. I’m sure they have plenty of staff not doing much at the moment, given routine ops etc aren’t happening, failing that The NHS could outsource the work, they are very good at that. The cost of the test would no doubt come down if it was rolled out on a large scale... ultimately it’s about lessening the risk from the vaccine, you could do this by not giving the vaccine to people that don’t need it.... this would actually save lives and protect the NHS! NHS aren’t doing much work? Outsource to Bojo’s mates? Jesus you are just precious " Precious about saving lives? Yes indeed I am. I just mean those doctors and nurses that aren’t carrying out routine ops could help out... oh and I didn’t mention anything about who they should outsource it to... both were just suggestions. | |||
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"Would it make sense to make these antibody tests readily available? maybe using parts of the, very much under used, test centres throughout the country. People could find out if they have the antibodies before they were vaccinated, then, if they had the antibodies, they wouldn’t need the vaccine and it could go to somebody else that does. The government could save a bit of money on vaccinations and give a lot of people, worried about the virus, some reassurances if they already have the antibodies. Just a thought... The antibody tests have to be processed in a lab. The cost of doing it doesn't make sense when having the vaccine simply boosts and natural immunity and therefore can only be a good thing. In short, it's not worth doing it. If the vaccine was 100% safe I’d agree with you... but it’s not. You would lessen the people exposed to the risk from the vaccine possibly? Surely that would be another, different test to do with clotting etc. no drug is 100% safe but risk factors so low that testing to exclude any or all would also not be financially worth doing. I’m not sure about that? This is not small numbers, we are talking massive numbers of people that may already have antibodies, either from having Covid or built up from having other coronaviruses. Meaning lots of people not exposed to the risk of vaccine. You also have the peace of mind factor, I’m sure a lot of people would like to know if they already had antibodies before taking any risk, no matter how small, from the vaccine. It would be more cost effective to spend the money on vaccines and vaccinate all rather than antibody tests to assess who needs vaccinating. You can access antibody tests privately I believe Are you aware of the costing related to each? I’m not but given the money spent on furlough it would probably be a drop in the ocean. Not sure if you are aware but The Government has a magic money tree. Regardless of the cost, just going round jabbing everyone up, whether they need it or not, with a vaccine still in medical trials, seems crazy to me. An antibody test is a lot safer than the vaccine... and I’d assume a lot cheaper. So you propose an antidoy test which to be accurate needs to be a blood test taking up nhs resources and costs to take the blood and do the test. If negative more resources to then vaccinate. A basic lab test for normal bloods cost in the region of £25 each not to mention the time that would be taken out of nhs clinics to do this and cut down staff available to perform necessary blood tests. G I dont think it at all feasible or practice to test everyone prior to vaccination. I’m sure they have plenty of staff not doing much at the moment, given routine ops etc aren’t happening, failing that The NHS could outsource the work, they are very good at that. The cost of the test would no doubt come down if it was rolled out on a large scale... ultimately it’s about lessening the risk from the vaccine, you could do this by not giving the vaccine to people that don’t need it.... this would actually save lives and protect the NHS! NHS aren’t doing much work? Outsource to Bojo’s mates? Jesus you are just precious Precious about saving lives? Yes indeed I am. I just mean those doctors and nurses that aren’t carrying out routine ops could help out... oh and I didn’t mention anything about who they should outsource it to... both were just suggestions." Medics who haven't been doing their regular role have been redeployed, they aren't sitting having cocktails and canapés at home! | |||
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"Would it make sense to make these antibody tests readily available? maybe using parts of the, very much under used, test centres throughout the country. People could find out if they have the antibodies before they were vaccinated, then, if they had the antibodies, they wouldn’t need the vaccine and it could go to somebody else that does. The government could save a bit of money on vaccinations and give a lot of people, worried about the virus, some reassurances if they already have the antibodies. Just a thought... The antibody tests have to be processed in a lab. The cost of doing it doesn't make sense when having the vaccine simply boosts and natural immunity and therefore can only be a good thing. In short, it's not worth doing it. If the vaccine was 100% safe I’d agree with you... but it’s not. You would lessen the people exposed to the risk from the vaccine possibly? Surely that would be another, different test to do with clotting etc. no drug is 100% safe but risk factors so low that testing to exclude any or all would also not be financially worth doing. I’m not sure about that? This is not small numbers, we are talking massive numbers of people that may already have antibodies, either from having Covid or built up from having other coronaviruses. Meaning lots of people not exposed to the risk of vaccine. You also have the peace of mind factor, I’m sure a lot of people would like to know if they already had antibodies before taking any risk, no matter how small, from the vaccine. It would be more cost effective to spend the money on vaccines and vaccinate all rather than antibody tests to assess who needs vaccinating. You can access antibody tests privately I believe Are you aware of the costing related to each? I’m not but given the money spent on furlough it would probably be a drop in the ocean. Not sure if you are aware but The Government has a magic money tree. Regardless of the cost, just going round jabbing everyone up, whether they need it or not, with a vaccine still in medical trials, seems crazy to me. An antibody test is a lot safer than the vaccine... and I’d assume a lot cheaper. So you propose an antidoy test which to be accurate needs to be a blood test taking up nhs resources and costs to take the blood and do the test. If negative more resources to then vaccinate. A basic lab test for normal bloods cost in the region of £25 each not to mention the time that would be taken out of nhs clinics to do this and cut down staff available to perform necessary blood tests. G I dont think it at all feasible or practice to test everyone prior to vaccination. I’m sure they have plenty of staff not doing much at the moment, given routine ops etc aren’t happening, failing that The NHS could outsource the work, they are very good at that. The cost of the test would no doubt come down if it was rolled out on a large scale... ultimately it’s about lessening the risk from the vaccine, you could do this by not giving the vaccine to people that don’t need it.... this would actually save lives and protect the NHS!" I work in a gp surgery and I am non stop. Seeing 30 plus patients a day for bloods and routine tests. Have been right through the lockdown. I dont know why everyone seems to think we are not doing anything. Most surgery's have gone to phone calls and triage appointment for doctors but then nurses who obviously can't do bloods etc over the phone are really busy and most are doing vaccination clinics on their days off and weekends. We don't have time or resources for testing prior to vaccines there just isn't the time. | |||
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"Would it make sense to make these antibody tests readily available? maybe using parts of the, very much under used, test centres throughout the country. People could find out if they have the antibodies before they were vaccinated, then, if they had the antibodies, they wouldn’t need the vaccine and it could go to somebody else that does. The government could save a bit of money on vaccinations and give a lot of people, worried about the virus, some reassurances if they already have the antibodies. Just a thought... The antibody tests have to be processed in a lab. The cost of doing it doesn't make sense when having the vaccine simply boosts and natural immunity and therefore can only be a good thing. In short, it's not worth doing it. If the vaccine was 100% safe I’d agree with you... but it’s not. You would lessen the people exposed to the risk from the vaccine possibly? Surely that would be another, different test to do with clotting etc. no drug is 100% safe but risk factors so low that testing to exclude any or all would also not be financially worth doing. I’m not sure about that? This is not small numbers, we are talking massive numbers of people that may already have antibodies, either from having Covid or built up from having other coronaviruses. Meaning lots of people not exposed to the risk of vaccine. You also have the peace of mind factor, I’m sure a lot of people would like to know if they already had antibodies before taking any risk, no matter how small, from the vaccine. It would be more cost effective to spend the money on vaccines and vaccinate all rather than antibody tests to assess who needs vaccinating. You can access antibody tests privately I believe Are you aware of the costing related to each? I’m not but given the money spent on furlough it would probably be a drop in the ocean. Not sure if you are aware but The Government has a magic money tree. Regardless of the cost, just going round jabbing everyone up, whether they need it or not, with a vaccine still in medical trials, seems crazy to me. An antibody test is a lot safer than the vaccine... and I’d assume a lot cheaper. So you propose an antidoy test which to be accurate needs to be a blood test taking up nhs resources and costs to take the blood and do the test. If negative more resources to then vaccinate. A basic lab test for normal bloods cost in the region of £25 each not to mention the time that would be taken out of nhs clinics to do this and cut down staff available to perform necessary blood tests. G I dont think it at all feasible or practice to test everyone prior to vaccination. I’m sure they have plenty of staff not doing much at the moment, given routine ops etc aren’t happening, failing that The NHS could outsource the work, they are very good at that. The cost of the test would no doubt come down if it was rolled out on a large scale... ultimately it’s about lessening the risk from the vaccine, you could do this by not giving the vaccine to people that don’t need it.... this would actually save lives and protect the NHS! NHS aren’t doing much work? Outsource to Bojo’s mates? Jesus you are just precious Precious about saving lives? Yes indeed I am. I just mean those doctors and nurses that aren’t carrying out routine ops could help out... oh and I didn’t mention anything about who they should outsource it to... both were just suggestions. Medics who haven't been doing their regular role have been redeployed, they aren't sitting having cocktails and canapés at home!" No you’re quite, some have been put on furlough, they could get them back. | |||
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"Would it make sense to make these antibody tests readily available? maybe using parts of the, very much under used, test centres throughout the country. People could find out if they have the antibodies before they were vaccinated, then, if they had the antibodies, they wouldn’t need the vaccine and it could go to somebody else that does. The government could save a bit of money on vaccinations and give a lot of people, worried about the virus, some reassurances if they already have the antibodies. Just a thought... The antibody tests have to be processed in a lab. The cost of doing it doesn't make sense when having the vaccine simply boosts and natural immunity and therefore can only be a good thing. In short, it's not worth doing it. If the vaccine was 100% safe I’d agree with you... but it’s not. You would lessen the people exposed to the risk from the vaccine possibly? Surely that would be another, different test to do with clotting etc. no drug is 100% safe but risk factors so low that testing to exclude any or all would also not be financially worth doing. I’m not sure about that? This is not small numbers, we are talking massive numbers of people that may already have antibodies, either from having Covid or built up from having other coronaviruses. Meaning lots of people not exposed to the risk of vaccine. You also have the peace of mind factor, I’m sure a lot of people would like to know if they already had antibodies before taking any risk, no matter how small, from the vaccine. It would be more cost effective to spend the money on vaccines and vaccinate all rather than antibody tests to assess who needs vaccinating. You can access antibody tests privately I believe Are you aware of the costing related to each? I’m not but given the money spent on furlough it would probably be a drop in the ocean. Not sure if you are aware but The Government has a magic money tree. Regardless of the cost, just going round jabbing everyone up, whether they need it or not, with a vaccine still in medical trials, seems crazy to me. An antibody test is a lot safer than the vaccine... and I’d assume a lot cheaper. So you propose an antidoy test which to be accurate needs to be a blood test taking up nhs resources and costs to take the blood and do the test. If negative more resources to then vaccinate. A basic lab test for normal bloods cost in the region of £25 each not to mention the time that would be taken out of nhs clinics to do this and cut down staff available to perform necessary blood tests. G I dont think it at all feasible or practice to test everyone prior to vaccination. I’m sure they have plenty of staff not doing much at the moment, given routine ops etc aren’t happening, failing that The NHS could outsource the work, they are very good at that. The cost of the test would no doubt come down if it was rolled out on a large scale... ultimately it’s about lessening the risk from the vaccine, you could do this by not giving the vaccine to people that don’t need it.... this would actually save lives and protect the NHS! I work in a gp surgery and I am non stop. Seeing 30 plus patients a day for bloods and routine tests. Have been right through the lockdown. I dont know why everyone seems to think we are not doing anything. Most surgery's have gone to phone calls and triage appointment for doctors but then nurses who obviously can't do bloods etc over the phone are really busy and most are doing vaccination clinics on their days off and weekends. We don't have time or resources for testing prior to vaccines there just isn't the time. " This is why I suggested outsourcing if it wasn’t feasible. The NHS wouldn’t even have to lift a finger, somebody else could sort it, then send the NHS the people that actually need the vaccine. | |||
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"The chances of someone getting hurt from the vaccine is less than dieing in a plane crash but for arguements The possible blood clots for instance if link is proven 1 in 250k Female contraceptive 1 in 2k Dvt from flying 1 in 1k Dvt in general population 39/47 in 1 million Also Paracetamol has been banned in some states of the US as it has been proven to be carcinogenic and can cause cancer ? If you were to read every over the counter medications leaflet there are millions of possible side effects but billions are still taken day in day out.
Oh alright then, let’s just give it to anybody because there is risk in everything. Never mind that’s still in clinical trials, long term effects etc! Let’s not minimise the chances of somebody getting hurt from the vaccine... it doesn’t matter does it? that would be too much trouble. Just jab them up.. and if you don’t like it!! Tough! Cos that’s how we treat people nowadays."Are you also proposing that we test everyone before they get on a plane then to see if their blood is likely to clot and cause a DVT? We could do and that would save many more lives! | |||
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"Would it make sense to make these antibody tests readily available? maybe using parts of the, very much under used, test centres throughout the country. People could find out if they have the antibodies before they were vaccinated, then, if they had the antibodies, they wouldn’t need the vaccine and it could go to somebody else that does. The government could save a bit of money on vaccinations and give a lot of people, worried about the virus, some reassurances if they already have the antibodies. Just a thought... The antibody tests have to be processed in a lab. The cost of doing it doesn't make sense when having the vaccine simply boosts and natural immunity and therefore can only be a good thing. In short, it's not worth doing it. If the vaccine was 100% safe I’d agree with you... but it’s not. You would lessen the people exposed to the risk from the vaccine possibly? Surely that would be another, different test to do with clotting etc. no drug is 100% safe but risk factors so low that testing to exclude any or all would also not be financially worth doing. I’m not sure about that? This is not small numbers, we are talking massive numbers of people that may already have antibodies, either from having Covid or built up from having other coronaviruses. Meaning lots of people not exposed to the risk of vaccine. You also have the peace of mind factor, I’m sure a lot of people would like to know if they already had antibodies before taking any risk, no matter how small, from the vaccine. It would be more cost effective to spend the money on vaccines and vaccinate all rather than antibody tests to assess who needs vaccinating. You can access antibody tests privately I believe Are you aware of the costing related to each? I’m not but given the money spent on furlough it would probably be a drop in the ocean. Not sure if you are aware but The Government has a magic money tree. Regardless of the cost, just going round jabbing everyone up, whether they need it or not, with a vaccine still in medical trials, seems crazy to me. An antibody test is a lot safer than the vaccine... and I’d assume a lot cheaper. So you propose an antidoy test which to be accurate needs to be a blood test taking up nhs resources and costs to take the blood and do the test. If negative more resources to then vaccinate. A basic lab test for normal bloods cost in the region of £25 each not to mention the time that would be taken out of nhs clinics to do this and cut down staff available to perform necessary blood tests. G I dont think it at all feasible or practice to test everyone prior to vaccination. I’m sure they have plenty of staff not doing much at the moment, given routine ops etc aren’t happening, failing that The NHS could outsource the work, they are very good at that. The cost of the test would no doubt come down if it was rolled out on a large scale... ultimately it’s about lessening the risk from the vaccine, you could do this by not giving the vaccine to people that don’t need it.... this would actually save lives and protect the NHS! NHS aren’t doing much work? Outsource to Bojo’s mates? Jesus you are just precious Precious about saving lives? Yes indeed I am. I just mean those doctors and nurses that aren’t carrying out routine ops could help out... oh and I didn’t mention anything about who they should outsource it to... both were just suggestions. Medics who haven't been doing their regular role have been redeployed, they aren't sitting having cocktails and canapés at home! No you’re quite, some have been put on furlough, they could get them back." Anyone employed by the public sector (teachers NHS doctors etx etc) is not able to be furloughed #justsaying | |||
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"Would it make sense to make these antibody tests readily available? maybe using parts of the, very much under used, test centres throughout the country. People could find out if they have the antibodies before they were vaccinated, then, if they had the antibodies, they wouldn’t need the vaccine and it could go to somebody else that does. The government could save a bit of money on vaccinations and give a lot of people, worried about the virus, some reassurances if they already have the antibodies. Just a thought... The antibody tests have to be processed in a lab. The cost of doing it doesn't make sense when having the vaccine simply boosts and natural immunity and therefore can only be a good thing. In short, it's not worth doing it. If the vaccine was 100% safe I’d agree with you... but it’s not. You would lessen the people exposed to the risk from the vaccine possibly? Surely that would be another, different test to do with clotting etc. no drug is 100% safe but risk factors so low that testing to exclude any or all would also not be financially worth doing. I’m not sure about that? This is not small numbers, we are talking massive numbers of people that may already have antibodies, either from having Covid or built up from having other coronaviruses. Meaning lots of people not exposed to the risk of vaccine. You also have the peace of mind factor, I’m sure a lot of people would like to know if they already had antibodies before taking any risk, no matter how small, from the vaccine. It would be more cost effective to spend the money on vaccines and vaccinate all rather than antibody tests to assess who needs vaccinating. You can access antibody tests privately I believe Are you aware of the costing related to each? I’m not but given the money spent on furlough it would probably be a drop in the ocean. Not sure if you are aware but The Government has a magic money tree. Regardless of the cost, just going round jabbing everyone up, whether they need it or not, with a vaccine still in medical trials, seems crazy to me. An antibody test is a lot safer than the vaccine... and I’d assume a lot cheaper. So you propose an antidoy test which to be accurate needs to be a blood test taking up nhs resources and costs to take the blood and do the test. If negative more resources to then vaccinate. A basic lab test for normal bloods cost in the region of £25 each not to mention the time that would be taken out of nhs clinics to do this and cut down staff available to perform necessary blood tests. G I dont think it at all feasible or practice to test everyone prior to vaccination. I’m sure they have plenty of staff not doing much at the moment, given routine ops etc aren’t happening, failing that The NHS could outsource the work, they are very good at that. The cost of the test would no doubt come down if it was rolled out on a large scale... ultimately it’s about lessening the risk from the vaccine, you could do this by not giving the vaccine to people that don’t need it.... this would actually save lives and protect the NHS! I work in a gp surgery and I am non stop. Seeing 30 plus patients a day for bloods and routine tests. Have been right through the lockdown. I dont know why everyone seems to think we are not doing anything. Most surgery's have gone to phone calls and triage appointment for doctors but then nurses who obviously can't do bloods etc over the phone are really busy and most are doing vaccination clinics on their days off and weekends. We don't have time or resources for testing prior to vaccines there just isn't the time. This is why I suggested outsourcing if it wasn’t feasible. The NHS wouldn’t even have to lift a finger, somebody else could sort it, then send the NHS the people that actually need the vaccine." Outsource to where exactly? You need qualified staff to take blood. Where do you think you will find the hundreds of people needed to do blood tests on everyone. We are vaccinating thousands across the country daily and you want them all testing first. Its just not possible. | |||
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"Would it make sense to make these antibody tests readily available? maybe using parts of the, very much under used, test centres throughout the country. People could find out if they have the antibodies before they were vaccinated, then, if they had the antibodies, they wouldn’t need the vaccine and it could go to somebody else that does. The government could save a bit of money on vaccinations and give a lot of people, worried about the virus, some reassurances if they already have the antibodies. Just a thought... The antibody tests have to be processed in a lab. The cost of doing it doesn't make sense when having the vaccine simply boosts and natural immunity and therefore can only be a good thing. In short, it's not worth doing it. If the vaccine was 100% safe I’d agree with you... but it’s not. You would lessen the people exposed to the risk from the vaccine possibly? Surely that would be another, different test to do with clotting etc. no drug is 100% safe but risk factors so low that testing to exclude any or all would also not be financially worth doing. I’m not sure about that? This is not small numbers, we are talking massive numbers of people that may already have antibodies, either from having Covid or built up from having other coronaviruses. Meaning lots of people not exposed to the risk of vaccine. You also have the peace of mind factor, I’m sure a lot of people would like to know if they already had antibodies before taking any risk, no matter how small, from the vaccine. It would be more cost effective to spend the money on vaccines and vaccinate all rather than antibody tests to assess who needs vaccinating. You can access antibody tests privately I believe Are you aware of the costing related to each? I’m not but given the money spent on furlough it would probably be a drop in the ocean. Not sure if you are aware but The Government has a magic money tree. Regardless of the cost, just going round jabbing everyone up, whether they need it or not, with a vaccine still in medical trials, seems crazy to me. An antibody test is a lot safer than the vaccine... and I’d assume a lot cheaper. So you propose an antidoy test which to be accurate needs to be a blood test taking up nhs resources and costs to take the blood and do the test. If negative more resources to then vaccinate. A basic lab test for normal bloods cost in the region of £25 each not to mention the time that would be taken out of nhs clinics to do this and cut down staff available to perform necessary blood tests. G I dont think it at all feasible or practice to test everyone prior to vaccination. I’m sure they have plenty of staff not doing much at the moment, given routine ops etc aren’t happening, failing that The NHS could outsource the work, they are very good at that. The cost of the test would no doubt come down if it was rolled out on a large scale... ultimately it’s about lessening the risk from the vaccine, you could do this by not giving the vaccine to people that don’t need it.... this would actually save lives and protect the NHS! I work in a gp surgery and I am non stop. Seeing 30 plus patients a day for bloods and routine tests. Have been right through the lockdown. I dont know why everyone seems to think we are not doing anything. Most surgery's have gone to phone calls and triage appointment for doctors but then nurses who obviously can't do bloods etc over the phone are really busy and most are doing vaccination clinics on their days off and weekends. We don't have time or resources for testing prior to vaccines there just isn't the time. This is why I suggested outsourcing if it wasn’t feasible. The NHS wouldn’t even have to lift a finger, somebody else could sort it, then send the NHS the people that actually need the vaccine. Outsource to where exactly? You need qualified staff to take blood. Where do you think you will find the hundreds of people needed to do blood tests on everyone. We are vaccinating thousands across the country daily and you want them all testing first. Its just not possible. " It is definitely possible, they could move some of the resources from giving the jabs to giving the antibodies test...ultimately these antibody test will result in less vaccinations needed so you would have staff available. Also, Given the majority of elderly and vulnerable are now vaccinated, they can afford to slow the vaccination programme down a bit. | |||
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"Would it make sense to make these antibody tests readily available? maybe using parts of the, very much under used, test centres throughout the country. People could find out if they have the antibodies before they were vaccinated, then, if they had the antibodies, they wouldn’t need the vaccine and it could go to somebody else that does. The government could save a bit of money on vaccinations and give a lot of people, worried about the virus, some reassurances if they already have the antibodies. Just a thought... The antibody tests have to be processed in a lab. The cost of doing it doesn't make sense when having the vaccine simply boosts and natural immunity and therefore can only be a good thing. In short, it's not worth doing it. If the vaccine was 100% safe I’d agree with you... but it’s not. You would lessen the people exposed to the risk from the vaccine possibly? Surely that would be another, different test to do with clotting etc. no drug is 100% safe but risk factors so low that testing to exclude any or all would also not be financially worth doing. I’m not sure about that? This is not small numbers, we are talking massive numbers of people that may already have antibodies, either from having Covid or built up from having other coronaviruses. Meaning lots of people not exposed to the risk of vaccine. You also have the peace of mind factor, I’m sure a lot of people would like to know if they already had antibodies before taking any risk, no matter how small, from the vaccine. It would be more cost effective to spend the money on vaccines and vaccinate all rather than antibody tests to assess who needs vaccinating. You can access antibody tests privately I believe Are you aware of the costing related to each? I’m not but given the money spent on furlough it would probably be a drop in the ocean. Not sure if you are aware but The Government has a magic money tree. Regardless of the cost, just going round jabbing everyone up, whether they need it or not, with a vaccine still in medical trials, seems crazy to me. An antibody test is a lot safer than the vaccine... and I’d assume a lot cheaper. So you propose an antidoy test which to be accurate needs to be a blood test taking up nhs resources and costs to take the blood and do the test. If negative more resources to then vaccinate. A basic lab test for normal bloods cost in the region of £25 each not to mention the time that would be taken out of nhs clinics to do this and cut down staff available to perform necessary blood tests. G I dont think it at all feasible or practice to test everyone prior to vaccination. I’m sure they have plenty of staff not doing much at the moment, given routine ops etc aren’t happening, failing that The NHS could outsource the work, they are very good at that. The cost of the test would no doubt come down if it was rolled out on a large scale... ultimately it’s about lessening the risk from the vaccine, you could do this by not giving the vaccine to people that don’t need it.... this would actually save lives and protect the NHS! NHS aren’t doing much work? Outsource to Bojo’s mates? Jesus you are just precious Precious about saving lives? Yes indeed I am. I just mean those doctors and nurses that aren’t carrying out routine ops could help out... oh and I didn’t mention anything about who they should outsource it to... both were just suggestions. Medics who haven't been doing their regular role have been redeployed, they aren't sitting having cocktails and canapés at home! No you’re quite, some have been put on furlough, they could get them back. Anyone employed by the public sector (teachers NHS doctors etx etc) is not able to be furloughed #justsaying" You are wrong here I’m afraid, they can and are but don’t feel like you have to take my word for it, look it up. | |||
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"Would it make sense to make these antibody tests readily available? maybe using parts of the, very much under used, test centres throughout the country. People could find out if they have the antibodies before they were vaccinated, then, if they had the antibodies, they wouldn’t need the vaccine and it could go to somebody else that does. The government could save a bit of money on vaccinations and give a lot of people, worried about the virus, some reassurances if they already have the antibodies. Just a thought... The antibody tests have to be processed in a lab. The cost of doing it doesn't make sense when having the vaccine simply boosts and natural immunity and therefore can only be a good thing. In short, it's not worth doing it. If the vaccine was 100% safe I’d agree with you... but it’s not. You would lessen the people exposed to the risk from the vaccine possibly? Surely that would be another, different test to do with clotting etc. no drug is 100% safe but risk factors so low that testing to exclude any or all would also not be financially worth doing. I’m not sure about that? This is not small numbers, we are talking massive numbers of people that may already have antibodies, either from having Covid or built up from having other coronaviruses. Meaning lots of people not exposed to the risk of vaccine. You also have the peace of mind factor, I’m sure a lot of people would like to know if they already had antibodies before taking any risk, no matter how small, from the vaccine. It would be more cost effective to spend the money on vaccines and vaccinate all rather than antibody tests to assess who needs vaccinating. You can access antibody tests privately I believe Are you aware of the costing related to each? I’m not but given the money spent on furlough it would probably be a drop in the ocean. Not sure if you are aware but The Government has a magic money tree. Regardless of the cost, just going round jabbing everyone up, whether they need it or not, with a vaccine still in medical trials, seems crazy to me. An antibody test is a lot safer than the vaccine... and I’d assume a lot cheaper. So you propose an antidoy test which to be accurate needs to be a blood test taking up nhs resources and costs to take the blood and do the test. If negative more resources to then vaccinate. A basic lab test for normal bloods cost in the region of £25 each not to mention the time that would be taken out of nhs clinics to do this and cut down staff available to perform necessary blood tests. G I dont think it at all feasible or practice to test everyone prior to vaccination. I’m sure they have plenty of staff not doing much at the moment, given routine ops etc aren’t happening, failing that The NHS could outsource the work, they are very good at that. The cost of the test would no doubt come down if it was rolled out on a large scale... ultimately it’s about lessening the risk from the vaccine, you could do this by not giving the vaccine to people that don’t need it.... this would actually save lives and protect the NHS! NHS aren’t doing much work? Outsource to Bojo’s mates? Jesus you are just precious Precious about saving lives? Yes indeed I am. I just mean those doctors and nurses that aren’t carrying out routine ops could help out... oh and I didn’t mention anything about who they should outsource it to... both were just suggestions. Medics who haven't been doing their regular role have been redeployed, they aren't sitting having cocktails and canapés at home! No you’re quite, some have been put on furlough, they could get them back. Anyone employed by the public sector (teachers NHS doctors etx etc) is not able to be furloughed #justsaying You are wrong here I’m afraid, they can and are but don’t feel like you have to take my word for it, look it up." It’s my job .. I know these things I don’t have to look it up | |||
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"Would it make sense to make these antibody tests readily available? maybe using parts of the, very much under used, test centres throughout the country. People could find out if they have the antibodies before they were vaccinated, then, if they had the antibodies, they wouldn’t need the vaccine and it could go to somebody else that does. The government could save a bit of money on vaccinations and give a lot of people, worried about the virus, some reassurances if they already have the antibodies. Just a thought... The antibody tests have to be processed in a lab. The cost of doing it doesn't make sense when having the vaccine simply boosts and natural immunity and therefore can only be a good thing. In short, it's not worth doing it. If the vaccine was 100% safe I’d agree with you... but it’s not. You would lessen the people exposed to the risk from the vaccine possibly? Surely that would be another, different test to do with clotting etc. no drug is 100% safe but risk factors so low that testing to exclude any or all would also not be financially worth doing. I’m not sure about that? This is not small numbers, we are talking massive numbers of people that may already have antibodies, either from having Covid or built up from having other coronaviruses. Meaning lots of people not exposed to the risk of vaccine. You also have the peace of mind factor, I’m sure a lot of people would like to know if they already had antibodies before taking any risk, no matter how small, from the vaccine. It would be more cost effective to spend the money on vaccines and vaccinate all rather than antibody tests to assess who needs vaccinating. You can access antibody tests privately I believe Are you aware of the costing related to each? I’m not but given the money spent on furlough it would probably be a drop in the ocean. Not sure if you are aware but The Government has a magic money tree. Regardless of the cost, just going round jabbing everyone up, whether they need it or not, with a vaccine still in medical trials, seems crazy to me. An antibody test is a lot safer than the vaccine... and I’d assume a lot cheaper. So you propose an antidoy test which to be accurate needs to be a blood test taking up nhs resources and costs to take the blood and do the test. If negative more resources to then vaccinate. A basic lab test for normal bloods cost in the region of £25 each not to mention the time that would be taken out of nhs clinics to do this and cut down staff available to perform necessary blood tests. G I dont think it at all feasible or practice to test everyone prior to vaccination. I’m sure they have plenty of staff not doing much at the moment, given routine ops etc aren’t happening, failing that The NHS could outsource the work, they are very good at that. The cost of the test would no doubt come down if it was rolled out on a large scale... ultimately it’s about lessening the risk from the vaccine, you could do this by not giving the vaccine to people that don’t need it.... this would actually save lives and protect the NHS! NHS aren’t doing much work? Outsource to Bojo’s mates? Jesus you are just precious Precious about saving lives? Yes indeed I am. I just mean those doctors and nurses that aren’t carrying out routine ops could help out... oh and I didn’t mention anything about who they should outsource it to... both were just suggestions. Medics who haven't been doing their regular role have been redeployed, they aren't sitting having cocktails and canapés at home! No you’re quite, some have been put on furlough, they could get them back. Anyone employed by the public sector (teachers NHS doctors etx etc) is not able to be furloughed #justsaying You are wrong here I’m afraid, they can and are but don’t feel like you have to take my word for it, look it up." And I quote The government guidance says that where employers receive public funding for staff costs, and that funding is continuing, they would expect employers to use that money to continue to pay staff in the usual fashion – and correspondingly not furlough them. This also applies to non-public sector employers who receive public funding for staff costs. | |||
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"The chances of someone getting hurt from the vaccine is less than dieing in a plane crash but for arguements The possible blood clots for instance if link is proven 1 in 250k Female contraceptive 1 in 2k Dvt from flying 1 in 1k Dvt in general population 39/47 in 1 million Also Paracetamol has been banned in some states of the US as it has been proven to be carcinogenic and can cause cancer ? If you were to read every over the counter medications leaflet there are millions of possible side effects but billions are still taken day in day out.
Oh alright then, let’s just give it to anybody because there is risk in everything. Never mind that’s still in clinical trials, long term effects etc! Let’s not minimise the chances of somebody getting hurt from the vaccine... it doesn’t matter does it? that would be too much trouble. Just jab them up.. and if you don’t like it!! Tough! Cos that’s how we treat people nowadays.
Are you also proposing that we test everyone before they get on a plane then to see if their blood is likely to clot and cause a DVT? We could do and that would save many more lives!"If you were forcing people to get on a plane then I suppose they could. Sorry I don’t mean forcing... if you said ‘listen, if you wanna live your normal life you need to get on this plane’ then the people being put on the plane would be well within their rights to request it. | |||
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"Would it make sense to make these antibody tests readily available? maybe using parts of the, very much under used, test centres throughout the country. People could find out if they have the antibodies before they were vaccinated, then, if they had the antibodies, they wouldn’t need the vaccine and it could go to somebody else that does. The government could save a bit of money on vaccinations and give a lot of people, worried about the virus, some reassurances if they already have the antibodies. Just a thought... The antibody tests have to be processed in a lab. The cost of doing it doesn't make sense when having the vaccine simply boosts and natural immunity and therefore can only be a good thing. In short, it's not worth doing it. If the vaccine was 100% safe I’d agree with you... but it’s not. You would lessen the people exposed to the risk from the vaccine possibly? Surely that would be another, different test to do with clotting etc. no drug is 100% safe but risk factors so low that testing to exclude any or all would also not be financially worth doing. I’m not sure about that? This is not small numbers, we are talking massive numbers of people that may already have antibodies, either from having Covid or built up from having other coronaviruses. Meaning lots of people not exposed to the risk of vaccine. You also have the peace of mind factor, I’m sure a lot of people would like to know if they already had antibodies before taking any risk, no matter how small, from the vaccine. It would be more cost effective to spend the money on vaccines and vaccinate all rather than antibody tests to assess who needs vaccinating. You can access antibody tests privately I believe Are you aware of the costing related to each? I’m not but given the money spent on furlough it would probably be a drop in the ocean. Not sure if you are aware but The Government has a magic money tree. Regardless of the cost, just going round jabbing everyone up, whether they need it or not, with a vaccine still in medical trials, seems crazy to me. An antibody test is a lot safer than the vaccine... and I’d assume a lot cheaper. So you propose an antidoy test which to be accurate needs to be a blood test taking up nhs resources and costs to take the blood and do the test. If negative more resources to then vaccinate. A basic lab test for normal bloods cost in the region of £25 each not to mention the time that would be taken out of nhs clinics to do this and cut down staff available to perform necessary blood tests. G I dont think it at all feasible or practice to test everyone prior to vaccination. I’m sure they have plenty of staff not doing much at the moment, given routine ops etc aren’t happening, failing that The NHS could outsource the work, they are very good at that. The cost of the test would no doubt come down if it was rolled out on a large scale... ultimately it’s about lessening the risk from the vaccine, you could do this by not giving the vaccine to people that don’t need it.... this would actually save lives and protect the NHS! NHS aren’t doing much work? Outsource to Bojo’s mates? Jesus you are just precious Precious about saving lives? Yes indeed I am. I just mean those doctors and nurses that aren’t carrying out routine ops could help out... oh and I didn’t mention anything about who they should outsource it to... both were just suggestions. Medics who haven't been doing their regular role have been redeployed, they aren't sitting having cocktails and canapés at home! No you’re quite, some have been put on furlough, they could get them back. Anyone employed by the public sector (teachers NHS doctors etx etc) is not able to be furloughed #justsaying You are wrong here I’m afraid, they can and are but don’t feel like you have to take my word for it, look it up. And I quote The government guidance says that where employers receive public funding for staff costs, and that funding is continuing, they would expect employers to use that money to continue to pay staff in the usual fashion – and correspondingly not furlough them. This also applies to non-public sector employers who receive public funding for staff costs. " Are they at work? When I say furlough I mean the staff not actually at work doing their job, the ones at home being paid. They should get them back. | |||
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"Would it make sense to make these antibody tests readily available? maybe using parts of the, very much under used, test centres throughout the country. People could find out if they have the antibodies before they were vaccinated, then, if they had the antibodies, they wouldn’t need the vaccine and it could go to somebody else that does. The government could save a bit of money on vaccinations and give a lot of people, worried about the virus, some reassurances if they already have the antibodies. Just a thought... The antibody tests have to be processed in a lab. The cost of doing it doesn't make sense when having the vaccine simply boosts and natural immunity and therefore can only be a good thing. In short, it's not worth doing it. If the vaccine was 100% safe I’d agree with you... but it’s not. You would lessen the people exposed to the risk from the vaccine possibly? Surely that would be another, different test to do with clotting etc. no drug is 100% safe but risk factors so low that testing to exclude any or all would also not be financially worth doing. I’m not sure about that? This is not small numbers, we are talking massive numbers of people that may already have antibodies, either from having Covid or built up from having other coronaviruses. Meaning lots of people not exposed to the risk of vaccine. You also have the peace of mind factor, I’m sure a lot of people would like to know if they already had antibodies before taking any risk, no matter how small, from the vaccine. It would be more cost effective to spend the money on vaccines and vaccinate all rather than antibody tests to assess who needs vaccinating. You can access antibody tests privately I believe Are you aware of the costing related to each? I’m not but given the money spent on furlough it would probably be a drop in the ocean. Not sure if you are aware but The Government has a magic money tree. Regardless of the cost, just going round jabbing everyone up, whether they need it or not, with a vaccine still in medical trials, seems crazy to me. An antibody test is a lot safer than the vaccine... and I’d assume a lot cheaper. So you propose an antidoy test which to be accurate needs to be a blood test taking up nhs resources and costs to take the blood and do the test. If negative more resources to then vaccinate. A basic lab test for normal bloods cost in the region of £25 each not to mention the time that would be taken out of nhs clinics to do this and cut down staff available to perform necessary blood tests. G I dont think it at all feasible or practice to test everyone prior to vaccination. I’m sure they have plenty of staff not doing much at the moment, given routine ops etc aren’t happening, failing that The NHS could outsource the work, they are very good at that. The cost of the test would no doubt come down if it was rolled out on a large scale... ultimately it’s about lessening the risk from the vaccine, you could do this by not giving the vaccine to people that don’t need it.... this would actually save lives and protect the NHS! NHS aren’t doing much work? Outsource to Bojo’s mates? Jesus you are just precious Precious about saving lives? Yes indeed I am. I just mean those doctors and nurses that aren’t carrying out routine ops could help out... oh and I didn’t mention anything about who they should outsource it to... both were just suggestions. Medics who haven't been doing their regular role have been redeployed, they aren't sitting having cocktails and canapés at home! No you’re quite, some have been put on furlough, they could get them back. Anyone employed by the public sector (teachers NHS doctors etx etc) is not able to be furloughed #justsaying You are wrong here I’m afraid, they can and are but don’t feel like you have to take my word for it, look it up. And I quote The government guidance says that where employers receive public funding for staff costs, and that funding is continuing, they would expect employers to use that money to continue to pay staff in the usual fashion – and correspondingly not furlough them. This also applies to non-public sector employers who receive public funding for staff costs. Are they at work? When I say furlough I mean the staff not actually at work doing their job, the ones at home being paid. They should get them back." They work or they don’t get paid ... no public sector worker can access furlough funds | |||
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"Would it make sense to make these antibody tests readily available? maybe using parts of the, very much under used, test centres throughout the country. People could find out if they have the antibodies before they were vaccinated, then, if they had the antibodies, they wouldn’t need the vaccine and it could go to somebody else that does. The government could save a bit of money on vaccinations and give a lot of people, worried about the virus, some reassurances if they already have the antibodies. Just a thought... The antibody tests have to be processed in a lab. The cost of doing it doesn't make sense when having the vaccine simply boosts and natural immunity and therefore can only be a good thing. In short, it's not worth doing it. If the vaccine was 100% safe I’d agree with you... but it’s not. You would lessen the people exposed to the risk from the vaccine possibly? Surely that would be another, different test to do with clotting etc. no drug is 100% safe but risk factors so low that testing to exclude any or all would also not be financially worth doing. I’m not sure about that? This is not small numbers, we are talking massive numbers of people that may already have antibodies, either from having Covid or built up from having other coronaviruses. Meaning lots of people not exposed to the risk of vaccine. You also have the peace of mind factor, I’m sure a lot of people would like to know if they already had antibodies before taking any risk, no matter how small, from the vaccine. It would be more cost effective to spend the money on vaccines and vaccinate all rather than antibody tests to assess who needs vaccinating. You can access antibody tests privately I believe Are you aware of the costing related to each? I’m not but given the money spent on furlough it would probably be a drop in the ocean. Not sure if you are aware but The Government has a magic money tree. Regardless of the cost, just going round jabbing everyone up, whether they need it or not, with a vaccine still in medical trials, seems crazy to me. An antibody test is a lot safer than the vaccine... and I’d assume a lot cheaper. So you propose an antidoy test which to be accurate needs to be a blood test taking up nhs resources and costs to take the blood and do the test. If negative more resources to then vaccinate. A basic lab test for normal bloods cost in the region of £25 each not to mention the time that would be taken out of nhs clinics to do this and cut down staff available to perform necessary blood tests. G I dont think it at all feasible or practice to test everyone prior to vaccination. I’m sure they have plenty of staff not doing much at the moment, given routine ops etc aren’t happening, failing that The NHS could outsource the work, they are very good at that. The cost of the test would no doubt come down if it was rolled out on a large scale... ultimately it’s about lessening the risk from the vaccine, you could do this by not giving the vaccine to people that don’t need it.... this would actually save lives and protect the NHS! NHS aren’t doing much work? Outsource to Bojo’s mates? Jesus you are just precious Precious about saving lives? Yes indeed I am. I just mean those doctors and nurses that aren’t carrying out routine ops could help out... oh and I didn’t mention anything about who they should outsource it to... both were just suggestions. Medics who haven't been doing their regular role have been redeployed, they aren't sitting having cocktails and canapés at home! No you’re quite, some have been put on furlough, they could get them back. Anyone employed by the public sector (teachers NHS doctors etx etc) is not able to be furloughed #justsaying You are wrong here I’m afraid, they can and are but don’t feel like you have to take my word for it, look it up. And I quote The government guidance says that where employers receive public funding for staff costs, and that funding is continuing, they would expect employers to use that money to continue to pay staff in the usual fashion – and correspondingly not furlough them. This also applies to non-public sector employers who receive public funding for staff costs. Are they at work? When I say furlough I mean the staff not actually at work doing their job, the ones at home being paid. They should get them back." No nhs workers are at home being paid. Sorry to disappoint you. If they are at home it is because they are self isolating or they are on annual leave. None of them can be furloughed. We have staff working from home still calling patients but they are still working. | |||
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"Would it make sense to make these antibody tests readily available? maybe using parts of the, very much under used, test centres throughout the country. People could find out if they have the antibodies before they were vaccinated, then, if they had the antibodies, they wouldn’t need the vaccine and it could go to somebody else that does. The government could save a bit of money on vaccinations and give a lot of people, worried about the virus, some reassurances if they already have the antibodies. Just a thought... The antibody tests have to be processed in a lab. The cost of doing it doesn't make sense when having the vaccine simply boosts and natural immunity and therefore can only be a good thing. In short, it's not worth doing it. If the vaccine was 100% safe I’d agree with you... but it’s not. You would lessen the people exposed to the risk from the vaccine possibly? Surely that would be another, different test to do with clotting etc. no drug is 100% safe but risk factors so low that testing to exclude any or all would also not be financially worth doing. I’m not sure about that? This is not small numbers, we are talking massive numbers of people that may already have antibodies, either from having Covid or built up from having other coronaviruses. Meaning lots of people not exposed to the risk of vaccine. You also have the peace of mind factor, I’m sure a lot of people would like to know if they already had antibodies before taking any risk, no matter how small, from the vaccine. It would be more cost effective to spend the money on vaccines and vaccinate all rather than antibody tests to assess who needs vaccinating. You can access antibody tests privately I believe Are you aware of the costing related to each? I’m not but given the money spent on furlough it would probably be a drop in the ocean. Not sure if you are aware but The Government has a magic money tree. Regardless of the cost, just going round jabbing everyone up, whether they need it or not, with a vaccine still in medical trials, seems crazy to me. An antibody test is a lot safer than the vaccine... and I’d assume a lot cheaper. So you propose an antidoy test which to be accurate needs to be a blood test taking up nhs resources and costs to take the blood and do the test. If negative more resources to then vaccinate. A basic lab test for normal bloods cost in the region of £25 each not to mention the time that would be taken out of nhs clinics to do this and cut down staff available to perform necessary blood tests. G I dont think it at all feasible or practice to test everyone prior to vaccination. I’m sure they have plenty of staff not doing much at the moment, given routine ops etc aren’t happening, failing that The NHS could outsource the work, they are very good at that. The cost of the test would no doubt come down if it was rolled out on a large scale... ultimately it’s about lessening the risk from the vaccine, you could do this by not giving the vaccine to people that don’t need it.... this would actually save lives and protect the NHS! NHS aren’t doing much work? Outsource to Bojo’s mates? Jesus you are just precious Precious about saving lives? Yes indeed I am. I just mean those doctors and nurses that aren’t carrying out routine ops could help out... oh and I didn’t mention anything about who they should outsource it to... both were just suggestions. Medics who haven't been doing their regular role have been redeployed, they aren't sitting having cocktails and canapés at home! No you’re quite, some have been put on furlough, they could get them back. Anyone employed by the public sector (teachers NHS doctors etx etc) is not able to be furloughed #justsaying You are wrong here I’m afraid, they can and are but don’t feel like you have to take my word for it, look it up. And I quote The government guidance says that where employers receive public funding for staff costs, and that funding is continuing, they would expect employers to use that money to continue to pay staff in the usual fashion – and correspondingly not furlough them. This also applies to non-public sector employers who receive public funding for staff costs. Are they at work? When I say furlough I mean the staff not actually at work doing their job, the ones at home being paid. They should get them back. They work or they don’t get paid ... no public sector worker can access furlough funds" Yes yes furlough funds!! I heard that bit but, the employer, in this case the NHS, will still pay the wages for somebody that is at home not carrying out their duties. | |||
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"Would it make sense to make these antibody tests readily available? maybe using parts of the, very much under used, test centres throughout the country. People could find out if they have the antibodies before they were vaccinated, then, if they had the antibodies, they wouldn’t need the vaccine and it could go to somebody else that does. The government could save a bit of money on vaccinations and give a lot of people, worried about the virus, some reassurances if they already have the antibodies. Just a thought... The antibody tests have to be processed in a lab. The cost of doing it doesn't make sense when having the vaccine simply boosts and natural immunity and therefore can only be a good thing. In short, it's not worth doing it. If the vaccine was 100% safe I’d agree with you... but it’s not. You would lessen the people exposed to the risk from the vaccine possibly? Surely that would be another, different test to do with clotting etc. no drug is 100% safe but risk factors so low that testing to exclude any or all would also not be financially worth doing. I’m not sure about that? This is not small numbers, we are talking massive numbers of people that may already have antibodies, either from having Covid or built up from having other coronaviruses. Meaning lots of people not exposed to the risk of vaccine. You also have the peace of mind factor, I’m sure a lot of people would like to know if they already had antibodies before taking any risk, no matter how small, from the vaccine. It would be more cost effective to spend the money on vaccines and vaccinate all rather than antibody tests to assess who needs vaccinating. You can access antibody tests privately I believe Are you aware of the costing related to each? I’m not but given the money spent on furlough it would probably be a drop in the ocean. Not sure if you are aware but The Government has a magic money tree. Regardless of the cost, just going round jabbing everyone up, whether they need it or not, with a vaccine still in medical trials, seems crazy to me. An antibody test is a lot safer than the vaccine... and I’d assume a lot cheaper. So you propose an antidoy test which to be accurate needs to be a blood test taking up nhs resources and costs to take the blood and do the test. If negative more resources to then vaccinate. A basic lab test for normal bloods cost in the region of £25 each not to mention the time that would be taken out of nhs clinics to do this and cut down staff available to perform necessary blood tests. G I dont think it at all feasible or practice to test everyone prior to vaccination. I’m sure they have plenty of staff not doing much at the moment, given routine ops etc aren’t happening, failing that The NHS could outsource the work, they are very good at that. The cost of the test would no doubt come down if it was rolled out on a large scale... ultimately it’s about lessening the risk from the vaccine, you could do this by not giving the vaccine to people that don’t need it.... this would actually save lives and protect the NHS! NHS aren’t doing much work? Outsource to Bojo’s mates? Jesus you are just precious Precious about saving lives? Yes indeed I am. I just mean those doctors and nurses that aren’t carrying out routine ops could help out... oh and I didn’t mention anything about who they should outsource it to... both were just suggestions. Medics who haven't been doing their regular role have been redeployed, they aren't sitting having cocktails and canapés at home! No you’re quite, some have been put on furlough, they could get them back. Anyone employed by the public sector (teachers NHS doctors etx etc) is not able to be furloughed #justsaying You are wrong here I’m afraid, they can and are but don’t feel like you have to take my word for it, look it up. And I quote The government guidance says that where employers receive public funding for staff costs, and that funding is continuing, they would expect employers to use that money to continue to pay staff in the usual fashion – and correspondingly not furlough them. This also applies to non-public sector employers who receive public funding for staff costs. Are they at work? When I say furlough I mean the staff not actually at work doing their job, the ones at home being paid. They should get them back. They work or they don’t get paid ... no public sector worker can access furlough funds Yes yes furlough funds!! I heard that bit but, the employer, in this case the NHS, will still pay the wages for somebody that is at home not carrying out their duties." Of course they won’t .... why would they? Unless they’re off sick then they work or don’t get paid. I wonder what planet you’re on if you think any different. The NHS has been over run people redeployed I know several podiatrists that have been working on COVID wards etc etc, what on earth leads you to believe they are sitting around at home? | |||
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"Would it make sense to make these antibody tests readily available? maybe using parts of the, very much under used, test centres throughout the country. People could find out if they have the antibodies before they were vaccinated, then, if they had the antibodies, they wouldn’t need the vaccine and it could go to somebody else that does. The government could save a bit of money on vaccinations and give a lot of people, worried about the virus, some reassurances if they already have the antibodies. Just a thought... The antibody tests have to be processed in a lab. The cost of doing it doesn't make sense when having the vaccine simply boosts and natural immunity and therefore can only be a good thing. In short, it's not worth doing it. If the vaccine was 100% safe I’d agree with you... but it’s not. You would lessen the people exposed to the risk from the vaccine possibly? No drug, vaccine or medical intervention is 100% safe. Utterly impossible." So true take simple antacid drug zantac sold over the counter for 10 years now banned due to cancer risks No medication is 100% safe but neither are you if you catch covid and are one of the unlucky ones that get it severe | |||
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"Mrman82 You are obviously someone who thinks he knows everything about everything and will even argue with people and tell them they don't know how their own job works. You believe whatever crap you want the rest of us know you are wrong and we are right. I'm done. " very polite compared to what a lot of us were thinking. If _rman82 is so anti jab then don t have it . People are not being forced to have it but almost 41 million people have had it willingly at a cost of between £3 and £10 to the uk tax payer depending on the jab much cheaper than an antibody test.
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"Mrman82 You are obviously someone who thinks he knows everything about everything and will even argue with people and tell them they don't know how their own job works. You believe whatever crap you want the rest of us know you are wrong and we are right. I'm done. very polite compared to what a lot of us were thinking. If _rman82 is so anti jab then don t have it . People are not being forced to have it but almost 41 million people have had it willingly at a cost of between £3 and £10 to the uk tax payer depending on the jab much cheaper than an antibody test.
Bet if everyone said the vaccine was bad for you _rman82 would say it isn t just to try and be different and an attention seeker. "I think he just likes an argument as you say he would argue about anything. I dont mind a healthy discussion but when someone is so determined not to take any notice of people who know more about what is being discussed than them I can't be bothered. | |||
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"Would it make sense to make these antibody tests readily available? maybe using parts of the, very much under used, test centres throughout the country. People could find out if they have the antibodies before they were vaccinated, then, if they had the antibodies, they wouldn’t need the vaccine and it could go to somebody else that does. The government could save a bit of money on vaccinations and give a lot of people, worried about the virus, some reassurances if they already have the antibodies. Just a thought... The antibody tests have to be processed in a lab. The cost of doing it doesn't make sense when having the vaccine simply boosts and natural immunity and therefore can only be a good thing. In short, it's not worth doing it. If the vaccine was 100% safe I’d agree with you... but it’s not. You would lessen the people exposed to the risk from the vaccine possibly? Surely that would be another, different test to do with clotting etc. no drug is 100% safe but risk factors so low that testing to exclude any or all would also not be financially worth doing. I’m not sure about that? This is not small numbers, we are talking massive numbers of people that may already have antibodies, either from having Covid or built up from having other coronaviruses. Meaning lots of people not exposed to the risk of vaccine. You also have the peace of mind factor, I’m sure a lot of people would like to know if they already had antibodies before taking any risk, no matter how small, from the vaccine. It would be more cost effective to spend the money on vaccines and vaccinate all rather than antibody tests to assess who needs vaccinating. You can access antibody tests privately I believe Are you aware of the costing related to each? I’m not but given the money spent on furlough it would probably be a drop in the ocean. Not sure if you are aware but The Government has a magic money tree. Regardless of the cost, just going round jabbing everyone up, whether they need it or not, with a vaccine still in medical trials, seems crazy to me. An antibody test is a lot safer than the vaccine... and I’d assume a lot cheaper." "An antibody test is a lot safer than a vaccine" how does an antibody test protect you from Covid? | |||
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"Antibody test is pointless. The study of US military personnel has proven this. You can catch it twice. " I heard this on the radio today. | |||
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"Hahaha are you lot finished? I came on here with a reasonable suggestion. If you don’t want to listen to it please don’t feel the need to comment. I know! It’s frustrating because I don’t agree with some of you... or tow the line, do as I’m told, but I’m afraid you’ll just have to learn to live with it... it’s called a ‘different opinion’.. crazy I know but in the good old days you could have one... and not be shouted down by a load know it alls." And those of us who understand how the systems you are criticising actually work have every right to tell you that you are wrong but you refuse to take any notice. | |||
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"Hahaha are you lot finished? I came on here with a reasonable suggestion. If you don’t want to listen to it please don’t feel the need to comment. I know! It’s frustrating because I don’t agree with some of you... or tow the line, do as I’m told, but I’m afraid you’ll just have to learn to live with it... it’s called a ‘different opinion’.. crazy I know but in the good old days you could have one... and not be shouted down by a load know it alls. And those of us who understand how the systems you are criticising actually work have every right to tell you that you are wrong but you refuse to take any notice. " | |||
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"Hahaha are you lot finished? I came on here with a reasonable suggestion. If you don’t want to listen to it please don’t feel the need to comment. I know! It’s frustrating because I don’t agree with some of you... or tow the line, do as I’m told, but I’m afraid you’ll just have to learn to live with it... it’s called a ‘different opinion’.. crazy I know but in the good old days you could have one... and not be shouted down by a load know it alls. And those of us who understand how the systems you are criticising actually work have every right to tell you that you are wrong but you refuse to take any notice. "  | |||
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