FabSwingers.com forum: Care home staff could be forced to have vaccine

By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

from sky news

Care home staff in England could be forced to get a vaccine, the government has said.

The Department of Health and Social Care has launched a consultation on making vaccination a condition of deployment for care home staff.

A five-week consultation will seek views and a decision is expected this summer.

According to experts from the Scientific Advisory Group for Emergencies (Sage), 80% of staff and 90% of residents need to be vaccinated to provide a minimum level of protection against COVID outbreaks.

Latest vaccination figures from NHS England show that 78.9% of older adult care home staff have had a jab.

Health and Social Care Secretary Matt Hancock said: "Older people living in care homes are most at risk of suffering serious consequences of COVID-19 and we have seen the grave effects the virus has had on this group.

"Making vaccines a condition of deployment is something many care homes have called for, to help them provide greater protection for staff and residents in older people's care homes and so save lives.

"The vaccine is already preventing deaths and is our route out of this pandemic. We have a duty of care to those most vulnerable to COVID-19, so it is right we consider all options to keep people safe."

The proposal would not include staff who are exempt from taking the vaccine on medical grounds.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Its official the uk is a fascist state

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By *xploring_FunWoman
over a year ago

Coventry

"Its official the uk is a fascist state "

Did you say the same when it became mandatory for al NHS staff to be vaccinated against Hep B?

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By *oncupiscence73Woman
over a year ago

South

"Its official the uk is a fascist state

Did you say the same when it became mandatory for al NHS staff to be vaccinated against Hep B?"

This

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Its official the uk is a fascist state "

and you came to that conclusion why ??

a simple look in the dictionary will tell you what fascism means and as a country we are a zillion miles away from that thank god

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By *lan157Man
over a year ago

a village near Haywards Heath in East Sussex

Seems reasonable to protect our relatives in nursing homes .

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"Its official the uk is a fascist state "

Please define fascism and explain how it applies to the UK. Show your working and reasoning.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Seems reasonable to protect our relatives in nursing homes . "

and the staff too

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By * Your PleasureMan
over a year ago

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Sounds reasonable to me, I don’t know why anyone wouldn’t want to be vaccinated against possible death!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

As we all get older we may need to go into a care home! Shouldn't we want the people who look after us to be as protected as they can be to help protect us in our old age?

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

I do community work with the elderly and offered to stand down until I've been vaccinated.

Seemed to be the least I could do.

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By *xhib12Man
over a year ago

Blyth

"Its official the uk is a fascist state "

You obviously have no idea what fascism is, however you do win today's prize for 'most ridiculous comment'. Well done.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Am I missing something? It only helps to prevent an individual from getting a serious case not from contracting or passing it on. I can understand all residents but surely testing workers is more important? I'm not against such an idea btw.

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"Am I missing something? It only helps to prevent an individual from getting a serious case not from contracting or passing it on. I can understand all residents but surely testing workers is more important? I'm not against such an idea btw."

The building evidence suggests it might well reduce transmission.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Its official the uk is a fascist state

and you came to that conclusion why ??

a simple look in the dictionary will tell you what fascism means and as a country we are a zillion miles away from that thank god "
only to those that dont want vaccine antivax stuff

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Plenty of sheeple here

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By *ob198XaMan
over a year ago

teleford

"Its official the uk is a fascist state "

Even if that were true it’s a better alternative to being a communist state...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The building evidence suggests it might well reduce transmission."

I see, it's something of a no brainer then.

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"Plenty of sheeple here "

Got any evidence for that?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Seems common sense to me

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By *elshsunsWoman
over a year ago

Flintshire

"Its official the uk is a fascist state "

You only just realised

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By *elshsunsWoman
over a year ago

Flintshire

"Its official the uk is a fascist state

Did you say the same when it became mandatory for al NHS staff to be vaccinated against Hep B?"

Different bloody scenario

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By *elshsunsWoman
over a year ago

Flintshire

"Plenty of sheeple here "

Place is full of them

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By *oved Up 2Couple
over a year ago

nottingham

"Its official the uk is a fascist state

Did you say the same when it became mandatory for al NHS staff to be vaccinated against Hep B?"

Exactly. It's mandatory for us. It's all about protecting ourselves and others. If someone decides to work in care you have a duty to those you care for. Obvious exception is those who can't have it on medical grounds

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By *ob198XaMan
over a year ago

teleford

You frequently come into contact with many pathogenic virus... they enter your body every day but your immune system has learnt to recognise these and quickly counters them before they get established and start significantly replicating. Vaccines train your immune system, you may still have Covid particles enter you but if your immune response to the vaccine (or previous infection) has been good then it is very very unlikely for you to become a significant spreader of the virus. This is currently down played so those who have been vaccinated don’t stop ignoring the rules, seeing them would encourage poorer compliance amongst those still unvaccinated.

To give the best protection to those in care both the patient and the caregiver need to be fully vaccinated.

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By *elshsunsWoman
over a year ago

Flintshire

"Its official the uk is a fascist state

Did you say the same when it became mandatory for al NHS staff to be vaccinated against Hep B?

What rubbish

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By *luebell888Woman
over a year ago

Glasgowish

"Seems reasonable to protect our relatives in nursing homes . "

My friends mum is in a nursing home and she has refused to allow her mum to be vaccinated and has refused to get the vaccination herself due to being against it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

To give the best protection to those in care both the patient and the caregiver need to be fully vaccinated."

Thanks for the concise response

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

To give the best protection to those in care both the patient and the caregiver need to be fully vaccinated."

How do you explain Texas, Florida, Sweden among others all fully open with no mask mandate, no vax passports with falling cases?

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By *eardAndTheBratCouple
over a year ago

Calne

So... How many people on this are trained medical or pharmaceutical staff?

This feels like its of hot air being blown around by people who know a few big words and have suddenly decided they're an expert.

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By *lan157Man
over a year ago

a village near Haywards Heath in East Sussex

"Seems reasonable to protect our relatives in nursing homes .

My friends mum is in a nursing home and she has refused to allow her mum to be vaccinated and has refused to get the vaccination herself due to being against it."

Does your friend's mother not have her own voice ?

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Seems reasonable to protect our relatives in nursing homes .

My friends mum is in a nursing home and she has refused to allow her mum to be vaccinated and has refused to get the vaccination herself due to being against it."

everyone has a choice but depending on how things go dont be suppried if they are asked to leave ... i have seen this happen already as the providers/managers are trying to protect everyone..

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

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By *oved Up 2Couple
over a year ago

nottingham

Testing won't stop people passing the virus on. No vaccination is 100% effective but this reduces severity which is key to keeping our elderly safe. Vaccination and testing need to both be done

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By *oved Up 2Couple
over a year ago

nottingham

"Seems reasonable to protect our relatives in nursing homes .

My friends mum is in a nursing home and she has refused to allow her mum to be vaccinated and has refused to get the vaccination herself due to being against it.

Does your friend's mother not have her own voice ? "

She may not have capacity. Many elderly people in care suffer from dementia

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"Seems reasonable to protect our relatives in nursing homes .

My friends mum is in a nursing home and she has refused to allow her mum to be vaccinated and has refused to get the vaccination herself due to being against it.

Does your friend's mother not have her own voice ?

She may not have capacity. Many elderly people in care suffer from dementia"

I can't imagine denying a vulnerable relative standard of care.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Its official the uk is a fascist state

Please define fascism and explain how it applies to the UK. Show your working and reasoning."

I dont agree with his comment about a fascist state but he has a point. Shouting down other views because you dont agree with them = thats fasicm defined

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By *adMerWoman
over a year ago

Sandwich

As a carer I consider it my responsibility to do everything I can to mitigate the risks to the people I care for.

It really boils my piss that some of our staff have refused to get vaccinated. Strangely enough they are the same staff that show little care for our residents, treat them as an annoyance and are just turning up for the pay check.

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"Its official the uk is a fascist state

Please define fascism and explain how it applies to the UK. Show your working and reasoning.

I dont agree with his comment about a fascist state but he has a point. Shouting down other views because you dont agree with them = thats fasicm defined

What's his point?

What views have I shouted down? I asked him to explain.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Its official the uk is a fascist state

Please define fascism and explain how it applies to the UK. Show your working and reasoning.

I dont agree with his comment about a fascist state but he has a point. Shouting down other views because you dont agree with them = thats fasicm defined

no one shut his views down it was just called out ..

play nice guys we all have views and rightly so ...its a debate nothing more nothing less

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By *inky_couple2020Couple
over a year ago

North West

"I do community work with the elderly and offered to stand down until I've been vaccinated.

Seemed to be the least I could do."

You could get the vaccine possibly, I'll message you.

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By *inky_couple2020Couple
over a year ago

North West

"Seems reasonable to protect our relatives in nursing homes .

My friends mum is in a nursing home and she has refused to allow her mum to be vaccinated and has refused to get the vaccination herself due to being against it.

Does your friend's mother not have her own voice ?

She may not have capacity. Many elderly people in care suffer from dementia"

My Grandad missed out on the initial appointment offered to him because my Covid denier mother deleted an answerphone message offering him the appointment. My Grandad was 100% mentally competent. He was offered a further appointment on 22nd Jan. That was the day he was admitted to hospital with Covid, caught from my Covid denying mother and her denier husband. My Grandad died of Covid on 25th January. Covid denier stepfather died the following week, denying till the last. Mother still denies. I would like her prosecuted for preventing Grandad timely access to healthcare but apparently you can't do that.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Its official the uk is a fascist state

Please define fascism and explain how it applies to the UK. Show your working and reasoning.

I dont agree with his comment about a fascist state but he has a point. Shouting down other views because you dont agree with them = thats fasicm defined

no one shut his views down it was just called out ..

play nice guys we all have views and rightly so ...its a debate nothing more nothing less"

Just proves my point.

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"Its official the uk is a fascist state

Please define fascism and explain how it applies to the UK. Show your working and reasoning.

I dont agree with his comment about a fascist state but he has a point. Shouting down other views because you dont agree with them = thats fasicm defined

no one shut his views down it was just called out ..

play nice guys we all have views and rightly so ...its a debate nothing more nothing less

Just proves my point. "

What point is being proven?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Is the same going to apply to care home visitors? Surely it should?

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By *dam_TinaCouple
over a year ago

Hampshire

"Its official the uk is a fascist state "

Just like you said New Zealand is

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By *xploring_FunWoman
over a year ago

Coventry

"Its official the uk is a fascist state

Did you say the same when it became mandatory for al NHS staff to be vaccinated against Hep B?

Different bloody scenario "

Not remotely different.

To have my career in the NHS I had to have the BCG (didn’t get it at school for a random reason) and HepB vax. Otherwise no career in that field.

Exactly the same here with this one.

People are free not to be vaccinated, but if you want specific careers there are often things that come as part of it. This is one of them

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By *inky_couple2020Couple
over a year ago

North West

"Its official the uk is a fascist state

Did you say the same when it became mandatory for al NHS staff to be vaccinated against Hep B?

Different bloody scenario

Not remotely different.

To have my career in the NHS I had to have the BCG (didn’t get it at school for a random reason) and HepB vax. Otherwise no career in that field.

Exactly the same here with this one.

People are free not to be vaccinated, but if you want specific careers there are often things that come as part of it. This is one of them "

Yup. Agreed.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

So is there a plan to sack all staff that decline to be vaccinated? Only asking as I haven't heard anything similar being proposed in Wales atn so interested to know what Englands plans are

I work in a care home btw and have had both jabs

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By *anesjhCouple
over a year ago

LONDON.

"Its official the uk is a fascist state

Please define fascism and explain how it applies to the UK. Show your working and reasoning.

I dont agree with his comment about a fascist state but he has a point. Shouting down other views because you dont agree with them = thats fasicm defined

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By *xploring_FunWoman
over a year ago

Coventry

"Its official the uk is a fascist state

Please define fascism and explain how it applies to the UK. Show your working and reasoning.

I dont agree with his comment about a fascist state but he has a point. Shouting down other views because you dont agree with them = thats fasicm defined

Disagreeing with someone is not shouting them down.

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By *ools and the brainCouple
over a year ago

couple, us we him her.

"Its official the uk is a fascist state

You obviously have no idea what fascism is, however you do win today's prize for 'most ridiculous comment'. Well done."

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By * AND R 777Couple
over a year ago

Teesside

"Its official the uk is a fascist state

You obviously have no idea what fascism is, however you do win today's prize for 'most ridiculous comment'. Well done."

It is a ridiculous comment, but today there is a thred that says cheese is racist I think that wins today prize

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By *luebell888Woman
over a year ago

Glasgowish

"Seems reasonable to protect our relatives in nursing homes .

My friends mum is in a nursing home and she has refused to allow her mum to be vaccinated and has refused to get the vaccination herself due to being against it.

Does your friend's mother not have her own voice ? "

No, she has dementia so therefore my friend has the right to make choices for her.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Seems reasonable to protect our relatives in nursing homes .

My friends mum is in a nursing home and she has refused to allow her mum to be vaccinated and has refused to get the vaccination herself due to being against it.

Does your friend's mother not have her own voice ?

No, she has dementia so therefore my friend has the right to make choices for her."

If your friend has Power of Attorney for her mother's health then it's a difficult area, if she doesn't and is just next of kin or DOLs RPR, a doctor can overrule her decision if they believe it is in her mothers best interests to have the vaccine

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By *inky_couple2020Couple
over a year ago

North West

"Seems reasonable to protect our relatives in nursing homes .

My friends mum is in a nursing home and she has refused to allow her mum to be vaccinated and has refused to get the vaccination herself due to being against it.

Does your friend's mother not have her own voice ?

No, she has dementia so therefore my friend has the right to make choices for her.

PoA can be challenged by medical professionals if they think that the Attorney isn't making decisions in the best interest of the patient, but this requires legal intervention obviously.

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By *ixieUKMan
over a year ago

MORDEN

"Its official the uk is a fascist state "

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By *ittleMissCaliWoman
over a year ago

trouble most likely, or creating it :)

I had to agree to be vaccinated before I could be employed at my care home job. I had no issue with that as had already had my first vaccine anyway

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Its official the uk is a fascist state

Did you say the same when it became mandatory for al NHS staff to be vaccinated against Hep B?

Different bloody scenario "

How is it?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Seems reasonable to protect our relatives in nursing homes .

My friends mum is in a nursing home and she has refused to allow her mum to be vaccinated and has refused to get the vaccination herself due to being against it.

Does your friend's mother not have her own voice ?

No, she has dementia so therefore my friend has the right to make choices for her.

PoA can be challenged by medical professionals if they think that the Attorney isn't making decisions in the best interest of the patient, but this requires legal intervention obviously."

That's right

It is a difficult, complex area

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By *ausageNmashCouple
over a year ago

Andover

"Its official the uk is a fascist state "

Really

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By *ausageNmashCouple
over a year ago

Andover

"Plenty of sheeple here "

Bahhh...

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By *ausageNmashCouple
over a year ago

Andover

"Its official the uk is a fascist state

Did you say the same when it became mandatory for al NHS staff to be vaccinated against Hep B?

Different bloody scenario "

No it's not

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The company I work for already has it as a requirement in their contract for new starters.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The company I work for already has it as a requirement in their contract for new starters."

Its stated that refusing the vaccination programme will put service users/residents at risk.

Although on the other side, if a resident refuses the vaccine, they will not be expected to find another home.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

There are many ethical questions to be raised about mandatory vaccinations. Not just for care staff but also supported people.

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By *ackformore100Man
over a year ago

Tin town

"Its official the uk is a fascist state

Really

Yes had you not realised? Taking measures to stop people getting ill or dying is a fascist thing.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"As a carer I consider it my responsibility to do everything I can to mitigate the risks to the people I care for.

Their body, their choice.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"There are many ethical questions to be raised about mandatory vaccinations. Not just for care staff but also supported people. "

Absolutely!

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By *inky_couple2020Couple
over a year ago

North West

"As a carer I consider it my responsibility to do everything I can to mitigate the risks to the people I care for.

Their body, their choice. "

It's not the choice of vulnerable care home residents to be infected by staff who may be unvaccinated and bring the virus into a close-care facility. Mandatory Hep B vaccines are already required in large areas of the health service, with staff having to prove immunity via antibody tests.

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"As a carer I consider it my responsibility to do everything I can to mitigate the risks to the people I care for.

Their body, their choice. "

Their body, their choice to find another job.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The company I work for already has it as a requirement in their contract for new starters.

Its stated that refusing the vaccination programme will put service users/residents at risk.

Although on the other side, if a resident refuses the vaccine, they will not be expected to find another home."

Surely it should also be a requirement for residents, to protect staff who may not be able to have the vaccine for medical reasons? And definitely for visitors. No jabs, no visits

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By *ittleMissCaliWoman
over a year ago

trouble most likely, or creating it :)

"The company I work for already has it as a requirement in their contract for new starters."
yup I had to agree to this when I started my new job x

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By *etWetWet453Couple
over a year ago

CAMBERLEY

"Plenty of sheeple here "

Why is it that you refer to people, who happen to believe in something, as `sheeple,` when the flock of people who dis believe, like you do, could equally be termed `sheeple?`

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"from sky news

Care home staff in England could be forced to get a vaccine, the government has said.

The Department of Health and Social Care has launched a consultation on making vaccination a condition of deployment for care home staff.

A five-week consultation will seek views and a decision is expected this summer.

Latest vaccination figures from NHS England show that 78.9% of older adult care home staff have had a jab.

The proposal would not include staff who are exempt from taking the vaccine on medical grounds."

I have no problem with vaccines as have had loads over the yrs,for different destinations etc but this one I have found the clinical trials are still on going and I think I will wait until they finish, just my choice, family have taken it etc so until the trials are over maybe it should not be mandatory?

I have some issues with hand sanitisers however, as you need to get “good” bacteria into the body, it boosts immune system, also with social distancing you fail to pick up colds etc that trains the immune system and my fear is now immune systems low we will see people getting sick for things they would normally be ok with, just an opinion, know it may be wrong also

just wondering if others thought the same?

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By *yn drwgMan
over a year ago

Camarthen

Care home workers have been tested at least weekly since Christmas!

I don't particularly want the vaccine but will be having it to protect my elderly family.

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By *nterracialDesiresCouple (MM)
over a year ago

London / Essex

"Its official the uk is a fascist state

Did you say the same when it became mandatory for al NHS staff to be vaccinated against Hep B?"

One cannot compare the two. The Hep B vaccine is not mRNA. Look it up.

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"Its official the uk is a fascist state

Did you say the same when it became mandatory for al NHS staff to be vaccinated against Hep B?

One cannot compare the two. The Hep B vaccine is not mRNA. Look it up."

Neither is the Oxford vaccine.

And they're all fully approved by the same regulatory body.

Look it up. Hope this helps.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Plenty of sheeple here "

Ding ding I'll take "things that the uneducated say when they've not got a valid argument."

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By *inky_couple2020Couple
over a year ago

North West

"Its official the uk is a fascist state

Did you say the same when it became mandatory for al NHS staff to be vaccinated against Hep B?

One cannot compare the two. The Hep B vaccine is not mRNA. Look it up."

Do you even know what mRNA is or what its function is??

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The company I work for already has it as a requirement in their contract for new starters.

Its stated that refusing the vaccination programme will put service users/residents at risk.

Although on the other side, if a resident refuses the vaccine, they will not be expected to find another home.

Surely it should also be a requirement for residents, to protect staff who may not be able to have the vaccine for medical reasons? And definitely for visitors. No jabs, no visits

I am unsure about this, it was obviously a question that came up at work when we were discussing. Say person A came to a residential home pre covid, pay privately, then survived the first wave and a vaccine is offered and they refuse, still having capacity to do so, I'm not sure what would happen in that situation.

*Disclaimer, that was just all hypothetical, and just a discussion we literally had the other day.

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By *ocbigMan
over a year ago

Birmingham

"Its official the uk is a fascist state

Please define fascism and explain how it applies to the UK. Show your working and reasoning.

I dont agree with his comment about a fascist state but he has a point. Shouting down other views because you dont agree with them = thats fasicm defined

However....everyone who has an opposing viewpoint has voiced it, has in some cases shown evidence , but supporters have done nothing but name call, no reply to queries & no explanation. Just saying.

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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago

upton wirral

"Its official the uk is a fascist state "
How can you be so ignorant?

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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago

upton wirral

"Seems reasonable to protect our relatives in nursing homes . "

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I manage a care home and I agree staff should be vaccinated after watching how quickly it affects and kills the elderly. However how can we insist on staff all being vaccinated but letting visitors in who haven’t been surely they are just as much risk as staff !!!!

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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago

upton wirral

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Its official the uk is a fascist state "

Of all the creeping infringements on our liberties and privileges, being offered a free vaccination against at a worldwide health risk and being “discriminated” against for not taking it when you have no good reason not to, is waaaay down the list.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

In the care home I work visitors have to provide proof of a negative test before they are allowed to visit a relative.

They are happy to do so in order to protect the residents.

Happily all the staff are fully vaccinated.

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"Its official the uk is a fascist state

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

In the care home I work visitors have to provide proof of a negative test before they are allowed to visit a relative.

They are happy to do so in order to protect the residents.

Happily all the staff are fully vaccinated.

We test all visitors and staff Everyone is very happy to do this and my staff have all had both vaccines. My point was if it’s to be made compulsory it needs to be for anyone entering a care home xx

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over a year ago

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

In the care home I work visitors have to provide proof of a negative test before they are allowed to visit a relative.

They are happy to do so in order to protect the residents.

Happily all the staff are fully vaccinated.

I personally think that staff have the duty of care and thus have the greatest responsibility.

(I'll be having the jabs)

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By *oncupiscence73Woman
over a year ago

South

"Its official the uk is a fascist state

Did you say the same when it became mandatory for al NHS staff to be vaccinated against Hep B?

What rubbish "

It’s rubbish that people who choose to work in care have a duty of care to the people they care for?

Wow ... suppose teachers have no duty of care for their kids of doctors for their patients.

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By *inky_couple2020Couple
over a year ago

North West

In the care home I work visitors have to provide proof of a negative test before they are allowed to visit a relative.

They are happy to do so in order to protect the residents.

Happily all the staff are fully vaccinated.

There's an argument for that, but staff who will be spending many hours with residents, providing close personal care and who will move between many tens of residents in a given day/shift are also arguably far more likely to spread the virus to a resident than a family member who visits one person, outdoors or indoors 1:1, with social distancing and PPE etc.

Also I suppose it's too easy for visitors to fake having the vaccine, there's no way homes can check medical records of visitors and the only "proof" people have is a piece of cardboard that can very easily be faked.

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By *hatawasteMan
over a year ago

stafford

"Its official the uk is a fascist state "

Are you not catching on?

Quite a few people the other day proved to you that it wasn't?

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By *hatawasteMan
over a year ago

stafford

"from sky news

Care home staff in England could be forced to get a vaccine, the government has said.

The Department of Health and Social Care has launched a consultation on making vaccination a condition of deployment for care home staff.

A five-week consultation will seek views and a decision is expected this summer.

Latest vaccination figures from NHS England show that 78.9% of older adult care home staff have had a jab.

The proposal would not include staff who are exempt from taking the vaccine on medical grounds."

*claps

Finally the government are actually growing a pair!

Surely everyone must realise that there will now be certain job roles where a vaccination and booster each year is going to become mandatory..

Has to happen.. People who are old and vulnerable health is at stake.. So I'd say its justified.

Look.. The fact is we get to chose our jobs based on whether we can do them /happy with conditions and the terms of employment.. That's why not everyone cleans the drains, works on oil rigs, high up ladders, gutting fish in a factory or deep in a hole underground.. We chose what we do based on the rules..

This is just re establishing them.. You want to work in care, NHS, teaching, and other roles.. Get the jab.. If not don't..you and I both have the right to do that.. That's okay with me too.

I'm perfectly happy with changing the rules to suit the changes we are going through as should everyone else be..

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

It would be good to have staff provided with good education and counselling on this, rather than using force and potential unemployment.

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"It would be good to have staff provided with good education and counselling on this, rather than using force and potential unemployment. "

I'd prefer that, but ultimately I think the vulnerable need protection...

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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago

upton wirral

"It would be good to have staff provided with good education and counselling on this, rather than using force and potential unemployment. "
Sweet there is enough info being given out every day

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By *inky_couple2020Couple
over a year ago

North West

"It would be good to have staff provided with good education and counselling on this, rather than using force and potential unemployment.

I'd prefer that, but ultimately I think the vulnerable need protection..."

I would find it odd if someone working in the care sector had not already had the relevant information shared and was ignorant of the issue, but then again the other day, the news said 2 in 5 people couldn't identify the main symptoms of Covid-19, which blew my mind

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"It would be good to have staff provided with good education and counselling on this, rather than using force and potential unemployment.

I'd prefer that, but ultimately I think the vulnerable need protection...

Yes.

I'm not sure what people know. Public education is important, and I think empowering people is necessary. But ultimately the buck has to stop somewhere and I think the bar for caring for vulnerable people should be fairly high.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I saw for myself the devastating effect of covid when it hit our care home in Nov/Dec of last year. It was a truly frightening time.

After that, every member of staff and 99% of residents chose to have both vaccinations.

Having become very ill with covid I’d gladly have yearly boosters rather than go through it ever again.

Families of our residents are also choosing to be vaccinated.

As far as I’m concerned it IS a duty of care. If you are not prepared to be vaccinated don’t come into the profession. It’s a vocation, you do the job because you want to protect life, not endanger it.

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"I saw for myself the devastating effect of covid when it hit our care home in Nov/Dec of last year. It was a truly frightening time.

After that, every member of staff and 99% of residents chose to have both vaccinations.

Having become very ill with covid I’d gladly have yearly boosters rather than go through it ever again.

Families of our residents are also choosing to be vaccinated.

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"It would be good to have staff provided with good education and counselling on this, rather than using force and potential unemployment.

I'd prefer that, but ultimately I think the vulnerable need protection...

... I probably couldn't name all 20 listed on the symptom tracker. Am I bad?

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By *inky_couple2020Couple
over a year ago

North West

"It would be good to have staff provided with good education and counselling on this, rather than using force and potential unemployment.

I'd prefer that, but ultimately I think the vulnerable need protection...

... I probably couldn't name all 20 listed on the symptom tracker. Am I bad?

The question was the main triad of symptoms - temperature, new continuous cough and loss of taste/smell. That's what 2 in 5 could not identify apparently.

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By *inky_couple2020Couple
over a year ago

North West

"I saw for myself the devastating effect of covid when it hit our care home in Nov/Dec of last year. It was a truly frightening time.

After that, every member of staff and 99% of residents chose to have both vaccinations.

Having become very ill with covid I’d gladly have yearly boosters rather than go through it ever again.

Families of our residents are also choosing to be vaccinated.

*Applause*

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"It would be good to have staff provided with good education and counselling on this, rather than using force and potential unemployment.

I'd prefer that, but ultimately I think the vulnerable need protection...

... I probably couldn't name all 20 listed on the symptom tracker. Am I bad?

The question was the main triad of symptoms - temperature, new continuous cough and loss of taste/smell. That's what 2 in 5 could not identify apparently. "

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Should a 25 year-old female carer who is trying for a baby have to have the vaccine when advise is for pregnant ladies not to have it?

Should that carer have to tell her employer she is trying for a baby in order to be exempt?

This would be sex discrimination under current legislation.

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By *inky_couple2020Couple
over a year ago

North West

"Should a 25 year-old female carer who is trying for a baby have to have the vaccine when advise is for pregnant ladies not to have it?

Should that carer have to tell her employer she is trying for a baby in order to be exempt?

This would be sex discrimination under current legislation."

There's no advice not to have the vaccine if trying to get pregnant. Pregnant women can have the vaccine if they're in a high risk group, but obviously the benefits vs risks are to be weighed up by the woman with a medical professional. But trying for a baby and being pregnant are two totally different things and women who are of child bearing age and not pregnant have no special considerations to take outside of the same screening questions we ask all patients.

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By *rsbrooksandjohnCouple
over a year ago

Swansea

No carers should be forced to have the vaccine. The same as no nurse or doctor are forced to have hep b and other jabs before working for the nhs. But it is a condition of their employment that they have them hence no jabs no job (unless valid medical conditions).

How would you feel if your elderly family member had to go into care through no fault of their own or yours and while in care a worker looking after them who had not been vaccinated passed covid onto them and they died.

Anyone who intends to work in care and with the vulnerable should have every jab available to them for the safety of their own families and the patients they work with. It would be like a construction firm letting a person operate heavy plant machinery on a busy building site with no training or experience. Basically an accident waiting to happen. Also i think insurance companies who insure care homes and the like may have something to say in reguards to the public and patient liabity policies they issue. If you have staff not vaccinated and a patient dies then you d have no cover .

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"No carers should be forced to have the vaccine. The same as no nurse or doctor are forced to have hep b and other jabs before working for the nhs. But it is a condition of their employment that they have them hence no jabs no job (unless valid medical conditions).

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By *oubleswing2019Man
over a year ago

Colchester

"How would you feel if your elderly family member had to go into care through no fault of their own or yours and while in care a worker looking after them who had not been vaccinated passed covid onto them and they died."

I'd be devastated of course.

I would question why said individual was providing care to vulnerable adults, and would commence legal proceedings against both the home and also the individual after seeking legal counsel of course.

I'd also inform CQC immediately.

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By *ust RachelTV/TS
over a year ago

Eastbourne

Old news!

Several care home companies have already said that you will not be welcome to work for them, should you choose not to have the vaccine.

My company has done the same.

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By *xploring_FunWoman
over a year ago

Coventry

"Should a 25 year-old female carer who is trying for a baby have to have the vaccine when advise is for pregnant ladies not to have it?

Should that carer have to tell her employer she is trying for a baby in order to be exempt?

This would be sex discrimination under current legislation."

Someone who was exempt would be able to get a letter from their GP staying such.

Shielding letters, for example, didn’t detail why someone was being advised to shield, just that they were.

There’s no reason that vaccine exemptions would have any detailing on them.

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By *ust RachelTV/TS
over a year ago

Eastbourne

Can my employer force me to have the Covid-19 vaccine?

Employers will most likely seek to encourage employees to take up the vaccine, without making it compulsory.

However, depending on the type of work you do, and sectors that you work in, it may be within your employer’s legal right to take action if you are not going to be vaccinated and they think there are good reasons why you should be.

For example, this might apply to people working in healthcare or care home settings. In some circumstances, depending on the terms between the employee and employer, employees could in fact be dismissed for refusing the vaccination if it means they will present a threat to themselves, patients or service users.

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By *uttyjonnMan
over a year ago

cheshire

It would be interesting to see what would happen if an employer coerced an existing employee to have the jab and they subsequently died from a blood clot

I doubt their insurance would pay out on any damages being sought, I assume companies will be looking at the legal implications before trying to enforce this

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Absolutely unacceptable and an infringement of civil liberties.

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By *rsbrooksandjohnCouple
over a year ago

Swansea

"Absolutely unacceptable and an infringement of civil liberties. "

Why is it an infringement of civil libities???

If an vulnerable person is being cared for and becomes ill from someone that is not vaccinated or for that matter comes into work with flu or another desease isn t that the persons right to refuse to let them anywhere near them ??? And if they did become ill or even die isn t the families right to seek recompence. Ie these days sue that person and thier company for negligence

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By *xploring_FunWoman
over a year ago

Coventry

"Absolutely unacceptable and an infringement of civil liberties. "

Again, did you say the same when the HepB vaccine was made compulsory for NHs staff?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It would be interesting to see what would happen if an employer coerced an existing employee to have the jab and they subsequently died from a blood clot

I doubt their insurance would pay out on any damages being sought, I assume companies will be looking at the legal implications before trying to enforce this "

Good point

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

In the care home I work visitors have to provide proof of a negative test before they are allowed to visit a relative.

They are happy to do so in order to protect the residents.

Happily all the staff are fully vaccinated.

What about when visiting restrictions are relaxed and family members are permitted to have close contact indoors again. I agree, surely they should also have to be vaccinated to ensure their relative and other vulnerable residents are protected? This should also have to apply to any other outside professionals visiting the home. GPs, District Nurses, Chiropodists, Social Workers, Hairdressers etc all of whom have close contact with residents and see/ visit potentially 100s of different people, places etc in a single day. Seems a bit of a wasted effort to force the care home staff to take up the vaccine then allowing other potentially unvaccinated people to wander in and out

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By *inky_CarpenterMan
over a year ago

Portsmouth

I don't get why this is so controversial. For decades we have had to have mandatory vacancies to travel to various destinations. And in some industries It is again mandatory to get a multitude vaccinations to be able to work.

This isn't even about protecting the workers themselves, it's about protecting their vulnerable charges.... If someone wants to make a moral argument about why they should be allowed to kill grannies, then I think they're pretty callous!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The company I work for already has it as a requirement in their contract for new starters.

Its stated that refusing the vaccination programme will put service users/residents at risk.

Although on the other side, if a resident refuses the vaccine, they will not be expected to find another home.

Surely it should also be a requirement for residents, to protect staff who may not be able to have the vaccine for medical reasons? And definitely for visitors. No jabs, no visits

*Disclaimer, that was just all hypothetical, and just a discussion we literally had the other day."

Maybe they could have to remain isolated in their room then and not be permitted to use communal areas, in order to protect vulnerable residents who may not be medically able to take the vaccine, as opposed to serving them notice to leave

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

People don't whine about taking whatever vaccinations / innoculations are required for various world travels. If you join the military you are given a cocktail of jabs to protect you wherever you might serve. Public sector workers are offered and some required to have various jabs for their work environment. Care workers are there to care for vulnerable people, which includes protecting them from whatever shite you might transmit to them. If you can't live with that, don't be a carer.

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By *inky_CarpenterMan
over a year ago

Portsmouth

"Its official the uk is a fascist state

Please define fascism and explain how it applies to the UK. Show your working and reasoning.

I dont agree with his comment about a fascist state but he has a point. Shouting down other views because you dont agree with them = thats fasicm defined

In what world is politely asking questions for clarification the definition of racism?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Slippery slope

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Absolutely unacceptable and an infringement of civil liberties.

Again, did you say the same when the HepB vaccine was made compulsory for NHs staff? "
i had no idea that was a thing but on principle yes

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By *dam_TinaCouple
over a year ago

Hampshire

"Its official the uk is a fascist state How can you be so ignorant?"

He practices a lot

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By *laymateteeMan
over a year ago

bristol

"Its official the uk is a fascist state

Just like you said New Zealand is

I think he's just discovered the word lol

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By *ittleMissCaliWoman
over a year ago

trouble most likely, or creating it :)

"I manage a care home and I agree staff should be vaccinated after watching how quickly it affects and kills the elderly. However how can we insist on staff all being vaccinated but letting visitors in who haven’t been surely they are just as much risk as staff !!!!Well all visitors should have to be vaccinated to that would be fair surely"
no I disagree. They are purely visitors and have strict limitations to the contact. And not all visitors will be eligible where as all care staff are.

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"Slippery slope "

A slippery slope to what? Prevention of disease?

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By *ackformore100Man
over a year ago

Tin town

"As we all get older we may need to go into a care home! Shouldn't we want the people who look after us to be as protected as they can be to help protect us in our old age? "

And here's one of the issues. A year ago we were all too happy blaming central govt for the horribly high spread of infection and death in our care homes... Partly Because care homes had become pretty lax with infection control, ppe, hand washing, isolation and so on... Hopefully a year later some of those processes are a bit better now and baked in to operating policies. And they are now safer places for our elderly and infirm to be. Now care homes have an opportunity to take a further step. It is surely negligent of them if they don't. If the ops stats are accurate... 79% of older care staff... Why only 79 %? And what about the younger care staff?

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By *ackformore100Man
over a year ago

Tin town

"Its official the uk is a fascist state

Please define fascism and explain how it applies to the UK. Show your working and reasoning.

I dont agree with his comment about a fascist state but he has a point. Shouting down other views because you dont agree with them = thats fasicm defined

In what world is politely asking questions for clarification the definition of racism?"

If fascism is asking all care home staff to do all they can so they don't infect and kill their residents... We don't have much to worry about on the fascism front do we.?

I can see the protests in London now... "stop keeping our care homes safe"...

"what do we want?" "COVID"

"when do we want it?" "NOW"

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"Its official the uk is a fascist state

Please define fascism and explain how it applies to the UK. Show your working and reasoning.

I dont agree with his comment about a fascist state but he has a point. Shouting down other views because you dont agree with them = thats fasicm defined

In what world is politely asking questions for clarification the definition of racism?

If fascism is asking all care home staff to do all they can so they don't infect and kill their residents... We don't have much to worry about on the fascism front do we.?

I can see the protests in London now... "stop keeping our care homes safe"...

"what do we want?" "COVID"

"when do we want it?" "NOW" "

No apparently I'm fascist for asking questions.

Fear me

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Can everyone prove they are HIV negative?

Surely it's the moral thing to do considering the purpose of this sight?

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By *laymateteeMan
over a year ago

bristol

"Can everyone prove they are HIV negative?

Surely it's the moral thing to do considering the purpose of this sight?

Are you OK sir??.Seriously I'm a bit worried . You can tell us if something is wrong .

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"Can everyone prove they are HIV negative?

Surely it's the moral thing to do considering the purpose of this sight?

Was at last test, would be happy to be tested again, no skin off my nose

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Seems reasonable to protect our relatives in nursing homes .

and the staff too"

I think the difference is staff choose to be there and often residents don't.

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By *ackformore100Man
over a year ago

Tin town

"Can everyone prove they are HIV negative?

Surely it's the moral thing to do considering the purpose of this sight?

if you're job was fucking and swapping body fluids with others then yes it would be the moral thing to do.

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"Can everyone prove they are HIV negative?

Surely it's the moral thing to do considering the purpose of this sight?

if you're job was fucking and swapping body fluids with others then yes it would be the moral thing to do. "

I believe it's industry standard in porn

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The company I work for already has it as a requirement in their contract for new starters.

Its stated that refusing the vaccination programme will put service users/residents at risk.

Although on the other side, if a resident refuses the vaccine, they will not be expected to find another home.

Surely it should also be a requirement for residents, to protect staff who may not be able to have the vaccine for medical reasons? And definitely for visitors. No jabs, no visits

Only around 2% of the adult population are unable to have any of vaccinations currently available.

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By *ust RachelTV/TS
over a year ago

Eastbourne

"Absolutely unacceptable and an infringement of civil liberties. "

What about the civil liberties of the people they are caring for, surely they should be protected from the virus.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Its official the uk is a fascist state

Did you say the same when it became mandatory for al NHS staff to be vaccinated against Hep B?"

Fascist for the right reasons as it happens

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By *ust RachelTV/TS
over a year ago

Eastbourne

"The company I work for already has it as a requirement in their contract for new starters.

Its stated that refusing the vaccination programme will put service users/residents at risk.

Although on the other side, if a resident refuses the vaccine, they will not be expected to find another home.

Surely it should also be a requirement for residents, to protect staff who may not be able to have the vaccine for medical reasons? And definitely for visitors. No jabs, no visits

Most of the care homes I know of, you have to have an onsite test before entering the visiting pod.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Its official the uk is a fascist state

Please define fascism and explain how it applies to the UK. Show your working and reasoning."

You probably couldn’t find a state more afraid of the suggestion let alone the trappings of fascism, much to its detriment on occasions

Ironically the states that are supposedly the most opposite i.e communist are perhaps the most prime examples of fascist behaviour

China, North Korea, the good old Ruskies etc

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By *ools and the brainCouple
over a year ago

couple, us we him her.

Doctor

"Here take this pill please"

Idiot

"Why?"

Doctor

"Because it's important and we need you to take "

Idiot stamps feet and sticks out bottom lip

"But I don't want to take it and you can't make me"

Doctor

"Look by taking this pill it could potentially save your life and the lives of thousands others including family friends and elderly vulnerable people, please take it."

Idiot

"NO! Facist"

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"Its official the uk is a fascist state

Please define fascism and explain how it applies to the UK. Show your working and reasoning.

You probably couldn’t find a state more afraid of the suggestion let alone the trappings of fascism, much to its detriment on occasions

Ironically the states that are supposedly the most opposite i.e communist are perhaps the most prime examples of fascist behaviour

China, North Korea, the good old Ruskies etc "

I personally think UK rhetoric and ideology is firmly against fascism. I might quibble about trappings or some practices. (Not vaccination

)

But throwing words around doesn't solve much - if the previous poster feels that way, I'd like to know on what grounds. (and for some reason I've been labelled a bully for doing so)

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By *izandpaulCouple
over a year ago

merseyside

Paul needs to be vaccinated and carry a vaccination card to enter some Countries for work, has done for years.

He sees it as the company he works for protecting and caring for him not as any form of imposition.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Paul needs to be vaccinated and carry a vaccination card to enter some Countries for work, has done for years.

He sees it as the company he works for protecting and caring for him not as any form of imposition. "

This is my thinking.

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By *ackformore100Man
over a year ago

Tin town

"The company I work for already has it as a requirement in their contract for new starters.

Its stated that refusing the vaccination programme will put service users/residents at risk.

Although on the other side, if a resident refuses the vaccine, they will not be expected to find another home.

Surely it should also be a requirement for residents, to protect staff who may not be able to have the vaccine for medical reasons? And definitely for visitors. No jabs, no visits

Most of the care homes I know of, you have to have an onsite test before entering the visiting pod."

Again there's the issue. So visits restricted to one person one hour per week. All Visitors tested.

All staff not being tested every day.

Result. Mum caught it from a carer and died. It only works if everyone plays by the rules.

It's not hard. Everyone coming in... tested. As many as possible... Vaccinated.

Irrelevant to me but I'm fucking furious that someone's "freedom" to not be tested took away my mum and not only mine... Thousands of others.

Lets make it a proper care environment with adult behaviours and thought processes. It's not hard.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"from sky news

Care home staff in England could be forced to get a vaccine, the government has said.

The Department of Health and Social Care has launched a consultation on making vaccination a condition of deployment for care home staff.

A five-week consultation will seek views and a decision is expected this summer.

Latest vaccination figures from NHS England show that 78.9% of older adult care home staff have had a jab.

The proposal would not include staff who are exempt from taking the vaccine on medical grounds."

Going to be a lot of unfair dissmisal claims esp for the carers who have original contracts and dont want to have jab you cant enforse any medical treatment so what next total control no freedom

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By *luttyLaylaWoman
over a year ago

North West

"from sky news

Care home staff in England could be forced to get a vaccine, the government has said.

The Department of Health and Social Care has launched a consultation on making vaccination a condition of deployment for care home staff.

A five-week consultation will seek views and a decision is expected this summer.

Latest vaccination figures from NHS England show that 78.9% of older adult care home staff have had a jab.

The proposal would not include staff who are exempt from taking the vaccine on medical grounds.

Going to be a lot of unfair dissmisal claims esp for the carers who have original contracts and dont want to have jab you cant enforse any medical treatment so what next total control no freedom "

They’ll just go through consultation and change their contracts. Happens all the time and nothing can do if it’s done legally.

Everyone moaning cos it’s about covid but genuinely couldn’t care less when the NHS enforced other vaccines lol.

Anything for an argument these days!

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"from sky news

Care home staff in England could be forced to get a vaccine, the government has said.

The Department of Health and Social Care has launched a consultation on making vaccination a condition of deployment for care home staff.

A five-week consultation will seek views and a decision is expected this summer.

Latest vaccination figures from NHS England show that 78.9% of older adult care home staff have had a jab.

The proposal would not include staff who are exempt from taking the vaccine on medical grounds.

Going to be a lot of unfair dissmisal claims esp for the carers who have original contracts and dont want to have jab you cant enforse any medical treatment so what next total control no freedom "

Why is litigation a bad thing? It's how we prove what the law is in the specifics.

I predict the companies have a reasonable chance of success.

Oh noes people in healthcare have to minimise their risk to others 1984 Hitler apocalypse

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By *eoeclipseWoman
over a year ago

glasgow

"Its official the uk is a fascist state

Did you say the same when it became mandatory for al NHS staff to be vaccinated against Hep B?"

It is not mandatory!!

It is strongly suggested! there is a very big legal difference there.

Taken from NHS site "People who work in certain jobs SHOULD be vaccinated against high-risk diseases they MAY be exposed to at work."

What they are talking about now is force, i.e. if you don't have the vaccine you'll have no job, add to that, if it is made forcibly mandatory throughout the industry then you also loose the choice to choose your work/means of earning - Human right.

it also leave the door wide open and makes it far easier to make it mandatory for all industries then that means anyone who doesn't will not be able to work anywhere, those people will be dragged into gangs and criminal activities just to get a meal.

You then have to start asking big questions most don't want to admit their government capable of, like

where does the legal limit to force medications upon citizens stop?

who decides what is a biological threat?

What treatments must be given? wouldn't be you.

put it this way, if you start down this road of forcing medical treatments what is to stop them from forcing the likes of a sterilization drug upon certain people using the excuses like "it's for the safety of the greater public, these people have family history of XYZ"

or the hot climate topic basis

"it is not mandatory to eat lab grown meat"

"It's for the safety of the existing public that we cannot allow our populations to grow any further."

issues with the climate ones is that it will directly affect their profits, that why none of them want to do it. Can't eat or drink money though.

(for whatever reason, it is their right to decide for themselves.)

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By *eoeclipseWoman
over a year ago

glasgow

"from sky news

Care home staff in England could be forced to get a vaccine, the government has said.

The Department of Health and Social Care has launched a consultation on making vaccination a condition of deployment for care home staff.

A five-week consultation will seek views and a decision is expected this summer.

Latest vaccination figures from NHS England show that 78.9% of older adult care home staff have had a jab.

The proposal would not include staff who are exempt from taking the vaccine on medical grounds.

Going to be a lot of unfair dissmisal claims esp for the carers who have original contracts and don't want to have jab you cant enforce any medical treatment so what next total control no freedom "

if this happens they NEED to find a human rights lawyer and go to court, they can all do what they like until they are challenged in law and it is proven it is illegal.

this is illegal under the highest international laws and the UK is NOT the only country trying to force this.

Put it this way, if all the countries can then force what ever they like upon citizens, what have you, me, the individual got left?

your a cog in a machine, an existence, your life is not your own when you cannot make decisions for your own life.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mIdGLWOIF0c

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"from sky news

Care home staff in England could be forced to get a vaccine, the government has said.

The Department of Health and Social Care has launched a consultation on making vaccination a condition of deployment for care home staff.

A five-week consultation will seek views and a decision is expected this summer.

Latest vaccination figures from NHS England show that 78.9% of older adult care home staff have had a jab.

The proposal would not include staff who are exempt from taking the vaccine on medical grounds.

Going to be a lot of unfair dissmisal claims esp for the carers who have original contracts and don't want to have jab you cant enforce any medical treatment so what next total control no freedom

if this happens they NEED to find a human rights lawyer and go to court, they can all do what they like until they are challenged in law and it is proven it is illegal.

this is illegal under the highest international laws and the UK is NOT the only country trying to force this.

Put it this way, if all the countries can then force what ever they like upon citizens, what have you, me, the individual got left?

your a cog in a machine, an existence, your life is not your own when you cannot make decisions for your own life.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mIdGLWOIF0c"

The human rights regime the UK is under allows for vaccine mandates.

Sorry.