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"No it doesnt stop you catching it yet were being forced to have it!" I would say that's not entirely correct as far as justification for having/not having. The science created something that helps stimulate antibodies to fight future attacks of the virus.. It's not a cure for now. The idea is our immune system will become stronger through having it and over time our bodies will have generated enough fighting capacity to give any more things like it a run for their money.. That's it I'd simple terms.. It's not an instant cure for anything.. Also it is likely that we will need boosters of the vaccine each year as the virus changes and mutates.. Just like with the flu jab.. So you aren't being forced.. You are maybe being advised to have it? and made aware of what might happen if you don't have it.. All perfectly reasonable in my book | |||
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"It seems to be an accepted fact by some on here that the vaccine cannot prevent you catching or spreading the virus. I’m not a virologist, but I cannot find anything online that actually states this. As far as I can gather, there is no evidence either way, presumably because it’s all quite new. Now, ‘no evidence that it prevents spread’ is quite different to ‘it does not prevent spread’ I know there are a few on here who are actually experts, can anyone enlighten me out here?" I’m not an expert. But reports from Spanish care homes are 100% saying it’s stopping transmission. As i Said no expert but the health ministers are saying the same thing here. | |||
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"No it doesnt stop you catching it yet were being forced to have it!" your not being forced to have it its a choice you make we chose yes | |||
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"It seems to be an accepted fact by some on here that the vaccine cannot prevent you catching or spreading the virus. I’m not a virologist, but I cannot find anything online that actually states this. As far as I can gather, there is no evidence either way, presumably because it’s all quite new. Now, ‘no evidence that it prevents spread’ is quite different to ‘it does not prevent spread’ I know there are a few on here who are actually experts, can anyone enlighten me out here?" Probably just need to Google (other search engines available) or look at nhs website under vaccine...its all over the news and had been for months. | |||
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"Yes it has, and there is insufficient evidence to say either way. Thanks Kinky couple, I read that report, and it looks as though there may be an effect on transmission" I suspect its too early to say categorically... Here's a story about Israel who seem to be further along than most... https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-56722186 | |||
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"No it doesnt stop you catching it yet were being forced to have it! I would say that's not entirely correct as far as justification for having/not having. The science created something that helps stimulate antibodies to fight future attacks of the virus.. It's not a cure for now. The idea is our immune system will become stronger through having it and over time our bodies will have generated enough fighting capacity to give any more things like it a run for their money.. That's it I'd simple terms.. It's not an instant cure for anything.. Also it is likely that we will need boosters of the vaccine each year as the virus changes and mutates.. Just like with the flu jab.. So you aren't being forced.. You are maybe being advised to have it? and made aware of what might happen if you don't have it.. All perfectly reasonable in my book " Ahh. The voice of reason! Don't you just love the ignorance of the self appointed who assert things which when actually analyzed are complete rubbish? Reminds me of the middle ages when the authorities stated with complete certainty that the earth was the centre of the universe and everything revolved around it! And woe betide you if you had the timerity to argue? | |||
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"It seems to be an accepted fact by some on here that the vaccine cannot prevent you catching or spreading the virus. I’m not a virologist, but I cannot find anything online that actually states this. As far as I can gather, there is no evidence either way, presumably because it’s all quite new. Now, ‘no evidence that it prevents spread’ is quite different to ‘it does not prevent spread’ I know there are a few on here who are actually experts, can anyone enlighten me out here?" ni it lowers symptoms | |||
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"No it doesnt stop you catching it yet were being forced to have it!" Have you had your childhood vaccines? If so, they are exactly the same, they teach your body how to fight it, not wrap you in a hazmat suit. Do some reading on how vaccines actually work instead of reading headlines and panicking. | |||
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"My wife got covid about a month after having the first vaccination. " That's unfortunate, but one vaccine does not provide full coverage. I'd expect her illness was much milder than of she had not been vaccinated. | |||
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"No it doesnt stop you catching it yet were being forced to have it! Have you had your childhood vaccines? If so, they are exactly the same, they teach your body how to fight it, not wrap you in a hazmat suit. Do some reading on how vaccines actually work instead of reading headlines and panicking. "  | |||
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"No it doesnt stop you catching it yet were being forced to have it! Have you had your childhood vaccines? If so, they are exactly the same, they teach your body how to fight it, not wrap you in a hazmat suit. Do some reading on how vaccines actually work instead of reading headlines and panicking. " It. Is. Not. The. Same. | |||
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"No it doesnt stop you catching it yet were being forced to have it! Have you had your childhood vaccines? If so, they are exactly the same, they teach your body how to fight it, not wrap you in a hazmat suit. Do some reading on how vaccines actually work instead of reading headlines and panicking. It. Is. Not. The. Same. " How isn't it the same? | |||
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"No it doesnt stop you catching it yet were being forced to have it! Have you had your childhood vaccines? If so, they are exactly the same, they teach your body how to fight it, not wrap you in a hazmat suit. Do some reading on how vaccines actually work instead of reading headlines and panicking. It. Is. Not. The. Same. How isn't it the same? " vaccine /'vaksi?n,'vaks?n/ Learn to pronounce noun a substance used to stimulate the production of antibodies and provide immunity against one or several diseases, prepared from the causative agent of a disease, its products, or a synthetic substitute, treated to act as an antigen without inducing the disease. _____________ What sort of protection does COVID-19 vaccination give me? So far, we know that the three currently approved COVID-19 vaccinations in the UK (BioNTech/Pfizer, Moderna, Oxford-AstraZeneca) prevent people getting sick with COVID-19. We don’t yet know if any of these vaccines stop people becoming infected with SARS-CoV-2 and whether they prevent you from spreading the virus. We know that the vaccines reduce your chance of getting ill with COVID-19 but we don’t know if you can still be carrying the virus, even if you don’t have any symptoms and feel well. This could mean that vaccinated people still spread the virus unknowingly Information is out there. All you have to do is look for it. P.S. its not even Facebook! Shocking, I know! | |||
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"No it doesnt stop you catching it yet were being forced to have it! Have you had your childhood vaccines? If so, they are exactly the same, they teach your body how to fight it, not wrap you in a hazmat suit. Do some reading on how vaccines actually work instead of reading headlines and panicking. It. Is. Not. The. Same. How isn't it the same? vaccine /'vaksi?n,'vaks?n/ Learn to pronounce noun a substance used to stimulate the production of antibodies and provide immunity against one or several diseases, prepared from the causative agent of a disease, its products, or a synthetic substitute, treated to act as an antigen without inducing the disease. _____________ What sort of protection does COVID-19 vaccination give me? So far, we know that the three currently approved COVID-19 vaccinations in the UK (BioNTech/Pfizer, Moderna, Oxford-AstraZeneca) prevent people getting sick with COVID-19. We don’t yet know if any of these vaccines stop people becoming infected with SARS-CoV-2 and whether they prevent you from spreading the virus. We know that the vaccines reduce your chance of getting ill with COVID-19 but we don’t know if you can still be carrying the virus, even if you don’t have any symptoms and feel well. This could mean that vaccinated people still spread the virus unknowingly Information is out there. All you have to do is look for it. P.S. its not even Facebook! Shocking, I know! " So, what's the polio vaccine? | |||
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"No it doesnt stop you catching it yet were being forced to have it! Have you had your childhood vaccines? If so, they are exactly the same, they teach your body how to fight it, not wrap you in a hazmat suit. Do some reading on how vaccines actually work instead of reading headlines and panicking. It. Is. Not. The. Same. How isn't it the same? vaccine /'vaksi?n,'vaks?n/ Learn to pronounce noun a substance used to stimulate the production of antibodies and provide immunity against one or several diseases, prepared from the causative agent of a disease, its products, or a synthetic substitute, treated to act as an antigen without inducing the disease. _____________ What sort of protection does COVID-19 vaccination give me? So far, we know that the three currently approved COVID-19 vaccinations in the UK (BioNTech/Pfizer, Moderna, Oxford-AstraZeneca) prevent people getting sick with COVID-19. We don’t yet know if any of these vaccines stop people becoming infected with SARS-CoV-2 and whether they prevent you from spreading the virus. We know that the vaccines reduce your chance of getting ill with COVID-19 but we don’t know if you can still be carrying the virus, even if you don’t have any symptoms and feel well. This could mean that vaccinated people still spread the virus unknowingly Information is out there. All you have to do is look for it. P.S. its not even Facebook! Shocking, I know! " The Covid vaccines stimulate immunity. They cause the body to produce B and T cells against the spike protein antigen on the SARS-CoV-2 virus. I think you have fundamentally misunderstood. My background is in microbiology (including the study of immunology) so I know what I'm talking about. A good number of vaccines in common use prevent serious illness but not necessarily transmission. The inactivated polio virus vaccine and whooping cough vaccine being examples. | |||
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"No it doesnt stop you catching it yet were being forced to have it! Have you had your childhood vaccines? If so, they are exactly the same, they teach your body how to fight it, not wrap you in a hazmat suit. Do some reading on how vaccines actually work instead of reading headlines and panicking. It. Is. Not. The. Same. How isn't it the same? vaccine /'vaksi?n,'vaks?n/ Learn to pronounce noun a substance used to stimulate the production of antibodies and provide immunity against one or several diseases, prepared from the causative agent of a disease, its products, or a synthetic substitute, treated to act as an antigen without inducing the disease. _____________ What sort of protection does COVID-19 vaccination give me? So far, we know that the three currently approved COVID-19 vaccinations in the UK (BioNTech/Pfizer, Moderna, Oxford-AstraZeneca) prevent people getting sick with COVID-19. We don’t yet know if any of these vaccines stop people becoming infected with SARS-CoV-2 and whether they prevent you from spreading the virus. We know that the vaccines reduce your chance of getting ill with COVID-19 but we don’t know if you can still be carrying the virus, even if you don’t have any symptoms and feel well. This could mean that vaccinated people still spread the virus unknowingly Information is out there. All you have to do is look for it. P.S. its not even Facebook! Shocking, I know! The Covid vaccines stimulate immunity. They cause the body to produce B and T cells against the spike protein antigen on the SARS-CoV-2 virus. I think you have fundamentally misunderstood. My background is in microbiology (including the study of immunology) so I know what I'm talking about. A good number of vaccines in common use prevent serious illness but not necessarily transmission. The inactivated polio virus vaccine and whooping cough vaccine being examples." I did not misunderstand a thing. You twisted it nicely though. Everything I say after this will open a can of worms and its sunny over here and I would like to enjoy sunshine with people who matter instead. Have a good day | |||
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"No it doesnt stop you catching it yet were being forced to have it! Have you had your childhood vaccines? If so, they are exactly the same, they teach your body how to fight it, not wrap you in a hazmat suit. Do some reading on how vaccines actually work instead of reading headlines and panicking. It. Is. Not. The. Same. How isn't it the same? vaccine /'vaksi?n,'vaks?n/ Learn to pronounce noun a substance used to stimulate the production of antibodies and provide immunity against one or several diseases, prepared from the causative agent of a disease, its products, or a synthetic substitute, treated to act as an antigen without inducing the disease. _____________ What sort of protection does COVID-19 vaccination give me? So far, we know that the three currently approved COVID-19 vaccinations in the UK (BioNTech/Pfizer, Moderna, Oxford-AstraZeneca) prevent people getting sick with COVID-19. We don’t yet know if any of these vaccines stop people becoming infected with SARS-CoV-2 and whether they prevent you from spreading the virus. We know that the vaccines reduce your chance of getting ill with COVID-19 but we don’t know if you can still be carrying the virus, even if you don’t have any symptoms and feel well. This could mean that vaccinated people still spread the virus unknowingly Information is out there. All you have to do is look for it. P.S. its not even Facebook! Shocking, I know! The Covid vaccines stimulate immunity. They cause the body to produce B and T cells against the spike protein antigen on the SARS-CoV-2 virus. I think you have fundamentally misunderstood. My background is in microbiology (including the study of immunology) so I know what I'm talking about. A good number of vaccines in common use prevent serious illness but not necessarily transmission. The inactivated polio virus vaccine and whooping cough vaccine being examples. I did not misunderstand a thing. You twisted it nicely though. Everything I say after this will open a can of worms and its sunny over here and I would like to enjoy sunshine with people who matter instead. Have a good day "What has been twisted? Glad you can enjoy your evening - hope you explain why you think a microbiologist is wrong. | |||
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"Well it is a bloody trial till 2023 so guess the data won’t be in till then "That old chestnut again  . Each vaccine is going through its own separate approvals process in each country that it's licensed for. Obviously evidence has to be submitted for any initial application to be considered and the granting authority may stipulate conditions, with an initial approval. | |||
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"Well it is a bloody trial till 2023 so guess the data won’t be in till then
That old chestnut again . Each vaccine is going through its own separate approvals process in each country that it's licensed for. Obviously evidence has to be submitted for any initial application to be considered and the granting authority may stipulate conditions, with an initial approval. "It's been approved in the UK. It's a shame the facts don't suit the story being spun  | |||
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"Based on info from virologists you can catch covid even with the jab and there are still chances you can pass it on but you are not gonna die from corona. So please be safe everybody! " | |||
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"Based on info from virologists you can catch covid even with the jab and there are still chances you can pass it on but you are not gonna die from corona. So please be safe everybody! "So it's not a vaccine...It's a therapy. | |||
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"Based on info from virologists you can catch covid even with the jab and there are still chances you can pass it on but you are not gonna die from corona. So please be safe everybody!
So it's not a vaccine...It's a therapy."So what's the polio vaccine and the whooping cough vaccine then?! Jeez. The vaccines for SARS-CoV-2 stimulate B and T cell responses in the overwhelming majority of people injected with them. That is immunity, having the immune cells specific to that viral antigen present in your body. These vaccines are vaccines just as any other. The AZ one uses an established viral vector model. The Pfizer-BioNTech and Moderna use an mRNA technique that has been proven experimentally since the late 1980s. | |||
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"Based on info from virologists you can catch covid even with the jab and there are still chances you can pass it on but you are not gonna die from corona. So please be safe everybody!
So it's not a vaccine...It's a therapy."Ah, the "if you squint at various US laws you can define all of these out of being vaccines, so they're not vaccines so we should be scared" line. ... Ok. Why are you basing your view on UK approved medicines on a US dependent conspiracy theory? | |||
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"We don't have any concrete evidence to say either way but early studies do suggest that the vaccine not only limits severity of illness but lowers transmission and makes it harder to catch covid. But it's all early days so far But every vaccinated person is one less person to worry about.. I've had both now " This is what i've read in various places, My job involves entering peoples houses at times, and although every precaution is carried out and people are not generally in the same part of the property during my visit, it does give me a little bit more confidence. but there are no guarantees. | |||
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"No it doesn't stop you catching it yet were being forced to have it!" A seatbelt doesn't stop you from having a road accident, but if you do have one you'll most likely to be jolly glad you were wearing one when you did. | |||
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"No it doesnt stop you catching it yet were being forced to have it!" Who's being forced? | |||
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"No it doesnt stop you catching it yet were being forced to have it! Have you had your childhood vaccines? If so, they are exactly the same, they teach your body how to fight it, not wrap you in a hazmat suit. Do some reading on how vaccines actually work instead of reading headlines and panicking. It. Is. Not. The. Same. How isn't it the same? vaccine /'vaksi?n,'vaks?n/ Learn to pronounce noun a substance used to stimulate the production of antibodies and provide immunity against one or several diseases, prepared from the causative agent of a disease, its products, or a synthetic substitute, treated to act as an antigen without inducing the disease. _____________ What sort of protection does COVID-19 vaccination give me? So far, we know that the three currently approved COVID-19 vaccinations in the UK (BioNTech/Pfizer, Moderna, Oxford-AstraZeneca) prevent people getting sick with COVID-19. We don’t yet know if any of these vaccines stop people becoming infected with SARS-CoV-2 and whether they prevent you from spreading the virus. We know that the vaccines reduce your chance of getting ill with COVID-19 but we don’t know if you can still be carrying the virus, even if you don’t have any symptoms and feel well. This could mean that vaccinated people still spread the virus unknowingly Information is out there. All you have to do is look for it. P.S. its not even Facebook! Shocking, I know! The Covid vaccines stimulate immunity. They cause the body to produce B and T cells against the spike protein antigen on the SARS-CoV-2 virus. I think you have fundamentally misunderstood. My background is in microbiology (including the study of immunology) so I know what I'm talking about. A good number of vaccines in common use prevent serious illness but not necessarily transmission. The inactivated polio virus vaccine and whooping cough vaccine being examples. I did not misunderstand a thing. You twisted it nicely though. Everything I say after this will open a can of worms and its sunny over here and I would like to enjoy sunshine with people who matter instead. Have a good day "You have definitely misunderstood. Vaccines do not promise 100% immunity, nor 100% prevention of transmission. | |||
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"No it doesnt stop you catching it yet were being forced to have it!" You not forced you can refuse it if you don't want it i did but only cos i dont trust it as yet too earlie to tell | |||
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"Well what has been on the news and such is that you can carry it even if you have had the jab" This | |||
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"No it doesnt stop you catching it yet were being forced to have it! You not forced you can refuse it if you don't want it i did but only cos i dont trust it as yet too earlie to tell " Forced/coerced same thing the original qeustion was does it stop you catching it and the answer is no it doesnt.. | |||
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"No it doesnt stop you catching it yet were being forced to have it! You not forced you can refuse it if you don't want it i did but only cos i dont trust it as yet too earlie to tell Forced/coerced same thing the original qeustion was does it stop you catching it and the answer is no it doesnt.. " Do you know what coercion actually means?  | |||
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"No it doesnt stop you catching it yet were being forced to have it!" A vaccine works by "teaching" your immune system how to deal with a virus. Vaccines (any of them) do not stop you from catching a virus, but because your immune system knows how to deal with it, it is dispatched quickly... with much reduced "illness". Cal | |||
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"No it doesnt stop you catching it yet were being forced to have it! You not forced you can refuse it if you don't want it i did but only cos i dont trust it as yet too earlie to tell Forced/coerced same thing the original qeustion was does it stop you catching it and the answer is no it doesnt.. Do you know what coercion actually means? "Yes i do thanks an no i dont need informing thankyou. | |||
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"Well it is a bloody trial till 2023 so guess the data won’t be in till then
That old chestnut again . Each vaccine is going through its own separate approvals process in each country that it's licensed for. Obviously evidence has to be submitted for any initial application to be considered and the granting authority may stipulate conditions, with an initial approval.
It's been approved in the UK. It's a shame the facts don't suit the story being spun "A quick look on dot gov will disprove that. It has only been given a temporary authorisation Quote from the Phizer authorisation "This temporary Authorisation under Regulation 174 permits the supply of identified COVID-19 mRNA Vaccine BNT162b2 batches, based on the safety, quality and efficacy data submitted by Pfizer/BioNTech to MHRA in the period from 1 October to 2 December 2020" | |||
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"Well it is a bloody trial till 2023 so guess the data won’t be in till then
That old chestnut again . Each vaccine is going through its own separate approvals process in each country that it's licensed for. Obviously evidence has to be submitted for any initial application to be considered and the granting authority may stipulate conditions, with an initial approval.
It's been approved in the UK. It's a shame the facts don't suit the story being spun
A quick look on dot gov will disprove that.
It has only been given a temporary authorisation
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"This temporary Authorisation under Regulation 174 permits the supply of identified COVID-19 mRNA Vaccine BNT162b2 batches, based on the safety, quality and efficacy data submitted by Pfizer/BioNTech to MHRA in the period from 1 October to 2 December 2020" "According to the BMJ, this was just because it was an emergency and they didn't want to wait for the EU regulatory bodies (relevant at that time). | |||
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" According to the BMJ, this was just because it was an emergency and they didn't want to wait for the EU regulatory bodies (relevant at that time)." Yes they gave it temporary authorisation before the EU. But the EU has also only given it a temporary authorisation until 2023 and completion of trails. | |||
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" According to the BMJ, this was just because it was an emergency and they didn't want to wait for the EU regulatory bodies (relevant at that time). Yes they gave it temporary authorisation before the EU. But the EU has also only given it a temporary authorisation until 2023 and completion of trails. " I am untroubled. | |||
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"Well it is a bloody trial till 2023 so guess the data won’t be in till then
That old chestnut again . Each vaccine is going through its own separate approvals process in each country that it's licensed for. Obviously evidence has to be submitted for any initial application to be considered and the granting authority may stipulate conditions, with an initial approval.
It's been approved in the UK. It's a shame the facts don't suit the story being spun
A quick look on dot gov will disprove that.
It has only been given a temporary authorisation
Quote from the Phizer authorisation
"This temporary Authorisation under Regulation 174 permits the supply of identified COVID-19 mRNA Vaccine BNT162b2 batches, based on the safety, quality and efficacy data submitted by Pfizer/BioNTech to MHRA in the period from 1 October to 2 December 2020" "So it's authorised then? | |||
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"Well it is a bloody trial till 2023 so guess the data won’t be in till then
That old chestnut again . Each vaccine is going through its own separate approvals process in each country that it's licensed for. Obviously evidence has to be submitted for any initial application to be considered and the granting authority may stipulate conditions, with an initial approval.
It's been approved in the UK. It's a shame the facts don't suit the story being spun
A quick look on dot gov will disprove that.
It has only been given a temporary authorisation
Quote from the Phizer authorisation
"This temporary Authorisation under Regulation 174 permits the supply of identified COVID-19 mRNA Vaccine BNT162b2 batches, based on the safety, quality and efficacy data submitted by Pfizer/BioNTech to MHRA in the period from 1 October to 2 December 2020"
So it's authorised then? "Yup, and the temporary authorisation may be because of wanting to go faster than the EU. Facts, eh? | |||
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" According to the BMJ, this was just because it was an emergency and they didn't want to wait for the EU regulatory bodies (relevant at that time). Yes they gave it temporary authorisation before the EU. But the EU has also only given it a temporary authorisation until 2023 and completion of trails. " Yep, it's authorised. The reason they give emergency authorisation is so that it can be quickly distributed and avoid all the red tape. It still has to pass the relevant safety checks etc. People with far more knowledge than you have deemed it safe, I'm going to listen to them. | |||
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"No it doesnt stop you catching it yet were being forced to have it! I would say that's not entirely correct as far as justification for having/not having. The science created something that helps stimulate antibodies to fight future attacks of the virus.. It's not a cure for now. The idea is our immune system will become stronger through having it and over time our bodies will have generated enough fighting capacity to give any more things like it a run for their money.. That's it I'd simple terms.. It's not an instant cure for anything.. Also it is likely that we will need boosters of the vaccine each year as the virus changes and mutates.. Just like with the flu jab.. So you aren't being forced.. You are maybe being advised to have it? and made aware of what might happen if you don't have it.. All perfectly reasonable in my book Ahh. The voice of reason! Don't you just love the ignorance of the self appointed who assert things which when actually analyzed are complete rubbish? Reminds me of the middle ages when the authorities stated with complete certainty that the earth was the centre of the universe and everything revolved around it! And woe betide you if you had the timerity to argue?" Some of us have studied at least a couple of modules at degree level in microbiology... that trumps those who’s knowledge of vaccination come only from YouTube and facebook... | |||
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"No it doesnt stop you catching it yet were being forced to have it! I would say that's not entirely correct as far as justification for having/not having. The science created something that helps stimulate antibodies to fight future attacks of the virus.. It's not a cure for now. The idea is our immune system will become stronger through having it and over time our bodies will have generated enough fighting capacity to give any more things like it a run for their money.. That's it I'd simple terms.. It's not an instant cure for anything.. Also it is likely that we will need boosters of the vaccine each year as the virus changes and mutates.. Just like with the flu jab.. So you aren't being forced.. You are maybe being advised to have it? and made aware of what might happen if you don't have it.. All perfectly reasonable in my book Ahh. The voice of reason! Don't you just love the ignorance of the self appointed who assert things which when actually analyzed are complete rubbish? Reminds me of the middle ages when the authorities stated with complete certainty that the earth was the centre of the universe and everything revolved around it! And woe betide you if you had the timerity to argue? Some of us have studied at least a couple of modules at degree level in microbiology... that trumps those who’s knowledge of vaccination come only from YouTube and facebook..." Some of us have studied for a whole degree in microbiology but are still told we don't understand how vaccination works  | |||
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"My mate was vaccinated because he's high risk. 2 weeks after jab. Positive for covid "most likely caught covid before the vaccine started to work to it's potential,this takes at least 3 weeks , hope this helps | |||
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"No it doesnt stop you catching it yet were being forced to have it!" Are you? | |||
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"No it doesnt stop you catching it yet were being forced to have it! Are you? " Yes, as the world is gearing towards no vaccine , no services I.e flying to another country etc | |||
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"My mate was vaccinated because he's high risk. 2 weeks after jab. Positive for covid most likely caught covid before the vaccine started to work to it's potential,this takes at least 3 weeks , hope this helps "Or... People do still catch it post vaccine. The vaccine does not work for everyone. Or it doesn't stop infection but attenuates it and makes shedding shorter and less... So less significant symptoms... With over 32m people vaccinated... And such high community rates still I'd expect people who have been vaccinated to be infected.. Its not a surprise. | |||
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"No it doesnt stop you catching it yet were being forced to have it! I would say that's not entirely correct as far as justification for having/not having. The science created something that helps stimulate antibodies to fight future attacks of the virus.. It's not a cure for now. The idea is our immune system will become stronger through having it and over time our bodies will have generated enough fighting capacity to give any more things like it a run for their money.. That's it I'd simple terms.. It's not an instant cure for anything.. Also it is likely that we will need boosters of the vaccine each year as the virus changes and mutates.. Just like with the flu jab.. So you aren't being forced.. You are maybe being advised to have it? and made aware of what might happen if you don't have it.. All perfectly reasonable in my book Ahh. The voice of reason! Don't you just love the ignorance of the self appointed who assert things which when actually analyzed are complete rubbish? Reminds me of the middle ages when the authorities stated with complete certainty that the earth was the centre of the universe and everything revolved around it! And woe betide you if you had the timerity to argue? Some of us have studied at least a couple of modules at degree level in microbiology... that trumps those who’s knowledge of vaccination come only from YouTube and facebook... Some of us have studied for a whole degree in microbiology but are still told we don't understand how vaccination works "Silly sheeple thinking you know things via qualifications rather than Google | |||
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"No it doesn't and its not a vaccine It's an experimental injection " What a silly statement. Firstly there isn't an "IT", there are now 5 different vaccines available in the uk and 13 in use world wide. Secondly, of course they are vaccines... even if you believe that they are still "unproven" or "experimental", they are still vaccines and have already proven to save lives. Cal | |||
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"No it doesn't and its not a vaccine It's an experimental injection What a silly statement. Firstly there isn't an "IT", there are now 5 different vaccines available in the uk and 13 in use world wide. Secondly, of course they are vaccines... even if you believe that they are still "unproven" or "experimental", they are still vaccines and have already proven to save lives. Cal" But if we repeat the talking points our leaders tell us to say, maybe the unthinking sheeple will wake up! | |||
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"My mate was vaccinated because he's high risk. 2 weeks after jab. Positive for covid "If the vaccine he received is 99% effective your mate is the 1% but for each person like your mate 99 others have gained full protection from it | |||
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If the vaccine he received is 99% effective your mate is the 1% but for each person like your mate 99 others have gained full protection from it"One jab is also not the complete treatment. I don't know why this has been forgotten. | |||
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"No it doesn't and its not a vaccine It's an experimental injection " And you are clearly never going to advance far in life then.. Some news.. Everything starts off as an experiment.. Without experimenting we would not have advanced one bit in the world.. The only difference this time is if we don't take part I it to find out.. This virus will win and all of its other strains too. Also remember you are perfectly allowed to reject being part of the experiment.. HOWEVER there is no way whatsoever that you can then expect to enjoy what happens next for the rest of us as far as our freedom to mix, travel, work and socialise is concerned .. Assuming it's a success that is.. If its not we are all all fucked frankly! But let's just say for argument sake it is.. And they won't let you travel, do certain jobs, go to pubs. Etc etc What then? | |||
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"No it doesnt stop you catching it yet were being forced to have it! Are you? Yes, as the world is gearing towards no vaccine , no services I.e flying to another country etc" Still not forced though. You can still say no thank you. | |||
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"No it doesn't and its not a vaccine It's an experimental injection And you are clearly never going to advance far in life then.. Some news.. Everything starts off as an experiment.. Without experimenting we would not have advanced one bit in the world.. The only difference this time is if we don't take part I it to find out.. This virus will win and all of its other strains too. Also remember you are perfectly allowed to reject being part of the experiment.. HOWEVER there is no way whatsoever that you can then expect to enjoy what happens next for the rest of us as far as our freedom to mix, travel, work and socialise is concerned .. Assuming it's a success that is.. If its not we are all all fucked frankly! But let's just say for argument sake it is.. And they won't let you travel, do certain jobs, go to pubs. Etc etc What then? " Us vaccinated lot will have a great time  | |||
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"No it doesn't and its not a vaccine It's an experimental injection And you are clearly never going to advance far in life then.. Some news.. Everything starts off as an experiment.. Without experimenting we would not have advanced one bit in the world.. The only difference this time is if we don't take part I it to find out.. This virus will win and all of its other strains too. Also remember you are perfectly allowed to reject being part of the experiment.. HOWEVER there is no way whatsoever that you can then expect to enjoy what happens next for the rest of us as far as our freedom to mix, travel, work and socialise is concerned .. Assuming it's a success that is.. If its not we are all all fucked frankly! But let's just say for argument sake it is.. And they won't let you travel, do certain jobs, go to pubs. Etc etc What then? Us vaccinated lot will have a great time " | |||
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"No it doesn't and its not a vaccine It's an experimental injection And you are clearly never going to advance far in life then.. Some news.. Everything starts off as an experiment.. Without experimenting we would not have advanced one bit in the world.. The only difference this time is if we don't take part I it to find out.. This virus will win and all of its other strains too. Also remember you are perfectly allowed to reject being part of the experiment.. HOWEVER there is no way whatsoever that you can then expect to enjoy what happens next for the rest of us as far as our freedom to mix, travel, work and socialise is concerned .. Assuming it's a success that is.. If its not we are all all fucked frankly! But let's just say for argument sake it is.. And they won't let you travel, do certain jobs, go to pubs. Etc etc What then? " Freedom to social travel and work should be a human right and not taken away because you want a vaccine, there should be restrictions imposed who want no part. That should be illegal. | |||
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"No it doesn't and its not a vaccine It's an experimental injection And you are clearly never going to advance far in life then.. Some news.. Everything starts off as an experiment.. Without experimenting we would not have advanced one bit in the world.. The only difference this time is if we don't take part I it to find out.. This virus will win and all of its other strains too. Also remember you are perfectly allowed to reject being part of the experiment.. HOWEVER there is no way whatsoever that you can then expect to enjoy what happens next for the rest of us as far as our freedom to mix, travel, work and socialise is concerned .. Assuming it's a success that is.. If its not we are all all fucked frankly! But let's just say for argument sake it is.. And they won't let you travel, do certain jobs, go to pubs. Etc etc What then? Freedom to social travel and work should be a human right and not taken away because you want a vaccine, there should be restrictions imposed who want no part. That should be illegal." Which are more important, the rights of the unvaccinated by choice, or the rights of those who cannot be vaccinated or are not protected by a vaccine? | |||
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"They say it’s not 100% guaranteed, I don’t know if All of you saw Boris last week . He wants all adults to do twice a week Lateral flow test. Even if you Have no symptoms. They are available on line for free. "Only in England. | |||
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"It won't stop intial infection. What it does though is prevent the virus from proliferating in the body nearly as much as you're immune system will recognise it. This means a lower chance you'll be able to spread it and a much lower chance you'll get Ill. " Hooray, facts! | |||
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Microbiologist to the rescue
Are you a microbiologist too?! We get around, eh?!
I am! I specialise in bacteriology and AST but I've dabbled with virology. My facility is the one doing the wastewater testing for covid "Ooh that's awesome. I listened to a discussion of it in the US. | |||
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"It won't stop intial infection. What it does though is prevent the virus from proliferating in the body nearly as much as you're immune system will recognise it. This means a lower chance you'll be able to spread it and a much lower chance you'll get Ill. Hooray, facts! just happy to spread information instead of the Rona
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Microbiologist to the rescue
Are you a microbiologist too?! We get around, eh?!
I am! I specialise in bacteriology and AST but I've dabbled with virology. My facility is the one doing the wastewater testing for covid "Ooooooo exciting! I teach foundation students now but my specialist area was nosocomial infection | |||
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"It won't stop intial infection. What it does though is prevent the virus from proliferating in the body nearly as much as you're immune system will recognise it. This means a lower chance you'll be able to spread it and a much lower chance you'll get Ill. Hooray, facts! just happy to spread information instead of the Rona
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Microbiologist to the rescue
Are you a microbiologist too?! We get around, eh?!
I am! I specialise in bacteriology and AST but I've dabbled with virology. My facility is the one doing the wastewater testing for covid
Ooh that's awesome.
I listened to a discussion of it in the US."It's definitely some interesting stuff! | |||
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"It won't stop intial infection. What it does though is prevent the virus from proliferating in the body nearly as much as you're immune system will recognise it. This means a lower chance you'll be able to spread it and a much lower chance you'll get Ill. Hooray, facts! just happy to spread information instead of the Rona
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Microbiologist to the rescue
Are you a microbiologist too?! We get around, eh?!
I am! I specialise in bacteriology and AST but I've dabbled with virology. My facility is the one doing the wastewater testing for covid
Ooooooo exciting! I teach foundation students now but my specialist area was nosocomial infection "areee so MRSA, C. difficile etc? My labs focused on aquaculture related pathogens such as Flavos etc but I work a lot with human infectious diseases from the environment such as salmonella and some of the Nasty vibrios out there | |||
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"It won't stop intial infection. What it does though is prevent the virus from proliferating in the body nearly as much as you're immune system will recognise it. This means a lower chance you'll be able to spread it and a much lower chance you'll get Ill. Hooray, facts! just happy to spread information instead of the Rona
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Microbiologist to the rescue
Are you a microbiologist too?! We get around, eh?!
I am! I specialise in bacteriology and AST but I've dabbled with virology. My facility is the one doing the wastewater testing for covid
Ooooooo exciting! I teach foundation students now but my specialist area was nosocomial infection areee so MRSA, C. difficile etc? My labs focused on aquaculture related pathogens such as Flavos etc but I work a lot with human infectious diseases from the environment such as salmonella and some of the Nasty vibrios out there "Hello brain boxes | |||
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Microbiologist to the rescue
Are you a microbiologist too?! We get around, eh?!
I am! I specialise in bacteriology and AST but I've dabbled with virology. My facility is the one doing the wastewater testing for covid
Ooooooo exciting! I teach foundation students now but my specialist area was nosocomial infection areee so MRSA, C. difficile etc? My labs focused on aquaculture related pathogens such as Flavos etc but I work a lot with human infectious diseases from the environment such as salmonella and some of the Nasty vibrios out there "Yeah, mainly Staph stuff though I did work on a Campy project for a bit (flagellar motility stuff). Then I've worked in pharma and medical device labs too  | |||
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"It won't stop intial infection. What it does though is prevent the virus from proliferating in the body nearly as much as you're immune system will recognise it. This means a lower chance you'll be able to spread it and a much lower chance you'll get Ill. Hooray, facts! just happy to spread information instead of the Rona
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Microbiologist to the rescue
Are you a microbiologist too?! We get around, eh?!
I am! I specialise in bacteriology and AST but I've dabbled with virology. My facility is the one doing the wastewater testing for covid
Ooooooo exciting! I teach foundation students now but my specialist area was nosocomial infection areee so MRSA, C. difficile etc? My labs focused on aquaculture related pathogens such as Flavos etc but I work a lot with human infectious diseases from the environment such as salmonella and some of the Nasty vibrios out there
Yeah, mainly Staph stuff though I did work on a Campy project for a bit (flagellar motility stuff).
Then I've worked in pharma and medical device labs too "awesome stuff! Sorry I've kind of dragged this thread off topic  | |||
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Microbiologist to the rescue
Are you a microbiologist too?! We get around, eh?!
I am! I specialise in bacteriology and AST but I've dabbled with virology. My facility is the one doing the wastewater testing for covid
Ooooooo exciting! I teach foundation students now but my specialist area was nosocomial infection areee so MRSA, C. difficile etc? My labs focused on aquaculture related pathogens such as Flavos etc but I work a lot with human infectious diseases from the environment such as salmonella and some of the Nasty vibrios out there
Yeah, mainly Staph stuff though I did work on a Campy project for a bit (flagellar motility stuff).
Then I've worked in pharma and medical device labs too awesome stuff! Sorry I've kind of dragged this thread off topic "Microbiology is never off topic | |||
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Microbiologist to the rescue
Are you a microbiologist too?! We get around, eh?!
I am! I specialise in bacteriology and AST but I've dabbled with virology. My facility is the one doing the wastewater testing for covid
Ooooooo exciting! I teach foundation students now but my specialist area was nosocomial infection areee so MRSA, C. difficile etc? My labs focused on aquaculture related pathogens such as Flavos etc but I work a lot with human infectious diseases from the environment such as salmonella and some of the Nasty vibrios out there
Yeah, mainly Staph stuff though I did work on a Campy project for a bit (flagellar motility stuff).
Then I've worked in pharma and medical device labs too awesome stuff! Sorry I've kind of dragged this thread off topic
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Microbiologist to the rescue
Are you a microbiologist too?! We get around, eh?!
I am! I specialise in bacteriology and AST but I've dabbled with virology. My facility is the one doing the wastewater testing for covid
Ooooooo exciting! I teach foundation students now but my specialist area was nosocomial infection areee so MRSA, C. difficile etc? My labs focused on aquaculture related pathogens such as Flavos etc but I work a lot with human infectious diseases from the environment such as salmonella and some of the Nasty vibrios out there
Yeah, mainly Staph stuff though I did work on a Campy project for a bit (flagellar motility stuff).
Then I've worked in pharma and medical device labs too awesome stuff! Sorry I've kind of dragged this thread off topic
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"I rarely watch TV, never read newspapers & only listen to radio first thing in the morning while having breakfast. Yet even I know it was never said it would stop you getting it! From day one it was said all it would do is hopefully stop you getting very ill with it & fingers crossed keep you out of hospital & in that it appears to be working just fine. IF it also cuts down transmissions too, well then that’s just an added bonus that maybe wasn’t expected. S" That's no fun, why listen to experts when Stacey on facebook, whose septum has collapsed from the copious amounts of illegal narcotics she inhales on Friday night, tells us that the vaccine will kill us all or turn us into mutants? | |||
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"I rarely watch TV, never read newspapers & only listen to radio first thing in the morning while having breakfast. Yet even I know it was never said it would stop you getting it! From day one it was said all it would do is hopefully stop you getting very ill with it & fingers crossed keep you out of hospital & in that it appears to be working just fine. IF it also cuts down transmissions too, well then that’s just an added bonus that maybe wasn’t expected. S That's no fun, why listen to experts when Stacey on facebook, whose septum has collapsed from the copious amounts of illegal narcotics she inhales on Friday night, tells us that the vaccine will kill us all or turn us into mutants?" Ahh good ole FB, I run my business through it so I am on it all the time, annoys the hell out of me some of the utter claptrap some spout. Usually by the ones who can’t spell or punctuate, who’d have thought the two were linked huh ??
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"No it doesn't and its not a vaccine It's an experimental injection " Absolutely correct. Phizers website says the trials don't end till 2023. The ceo of moderna says it does alter your DNA. Can't believe so many people are so keen to have an untested vaccine shoved in their body's. Not talking about microchips etc. Talking about the unknown. Now they want to mix two kinds together .
Also, let's not forget the original trials were on 18 to 50 year old with no underlying health issues. And out of I think it was 45000 people. Only half were vaxxed. The rest were placebo.
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"No it doesn't and its not a vaccine It's an experimental injection Absolutely correct. Phizers website says the trials don't end till 2023. The ceo of moderna says it does alter your DNA. Can't believe so many people are so keen to have an untested vaccine shoved in their body's. Not talking about microchips etc. Talking about the unknown. Now they want to mix two kinds together .
Also, let's not forget the original trials were on 18 to 50 year old with no underlying health issues. And out of I think it was 45000 people. Only half were vaxxed. The rest were placebo.
So 22500 healthy people to gather data from. What an absolute joke."The moderna comment is totally false, yet another person that doesn't bother looking for facts, just copies what they see on facebook. Also, regarding the trials, people volunteered to be in those trials and they are the only people involved in the trials. Given the benefits that the vaccine provides, I'd think people would stop looking for things to bitch about, but I guess that's too much to ask. | |||
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"No it doesn't and its not a vaccine It's an experimental injection Absolutely correct. Phizers website says the trials don't end till 2023. The ceo of moderna says it does alter your DNA. Can't believe so many people are so keen to have an untested vaccine shoved in their body's. Not talking about microchips etc. Talking about the unknown. Now they want to mix two kinds together .
Also, let's not forget the original trials were on 18 to 50 year old with no underlying health issues. And out of I think it was 45000 people. Only half were vaxxed. The rest were placebo.
So 22500 healthy people to gather data from. What an absolute joke.
The moderna comment is totally false, yet another person that doesn't bother looking for facts, just copies what they see on facebook.
Also, regarding the trials, people volunteered to be in those trials and they are the only people involved in the trials.
Given the benefits that the vaccine provides, I'd think people would stop looking for things to bitch about, but I guess that's too much to ask. "Another, can't have a discussion without having a dig. No I'm not on Facebook actually. Yes he did say that. Go look for yourself. If you want to stick an experimental vaccine in your body to save yourself from a virus thats killed less than 0.1 percent of the global population. Most of whom had underlying conditions and many who simply tested positive within 28 days of death.(regardless of real cause) go right ahead. I'll wait until next year thanks | |||
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"No it doesn't and its not a vaccine It's an experimental injection Absolutely correct. Phizers website says the trials don't end till 2023. The ceo of moderna says it does alter your DNA. Can't believe so many people are so keen to have an untested vaccine shoved in their body's. Not talking about microchips etc. Talking about the unknown. Now they want to mix two kinds together .
Also, let's not forget the original trials were on 18 to 50 year old with no underlying health issues. And out of I think it was 45000 people. Only half were vaxxed. The rest were placebo.
So 22500 healthy people to gather data from. What an absolute joke.
The moderna comment is totally false, yet another person that doesn't bother looking for facts, just copies what they see on facebook.
Also, regarding the trials, people volunteered to be in those trials and they are the only people involved in the trials.
Given the benefits that the vaccine provides, I'd think people would stop looking for things to bitch about, but I guess that's too much to ask.
Another, can't have a discussion without having a dig. No I'm not on Facebook actually. Yes he did say that. Go look for yourself. If you want to stick an experimental vaccine in your body to save yourself from a virus thats killed less than 0.1 percent of the global population. Most of whom had underlying conditions and many who simply tested positive within 28 days of death.(regardless of real cause) go right ahead.
I'll wait until next year thanks "He said no such thing: https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-moderna-mrna-idUSL1N2M10IV | |||
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"No it doesn't and its not a vaccine It's an experimental injection Absolutely correct. Phizers website says the trials don't end till 2023. The ceo of moderna says it does alter your DNA. Can't believe so many people are so keen to have an untested vaccine shoved in their body's. Not talking about microchips etc. Talking about the unknown. Now they want to mix two kinds together .
Also, let's not forget the original trials were on 18 to 50 year old with no underlying health issues. And out of I think it was 45000 people. Only half were vaxxed. The rest were placebo.
So 22500 healthy people to gather data from. What an absolute joke.
The moderna comment is totally false, yet another person that doesn't bother looking for facts, just copies what they see on facebook.
Also, regarding the trials, people volunteered to be in those trials and they are the only people involved in the trials.
Given the benefits that the vaccine provides, I'd think people would stop looking for things to bitch about, but I guess that's too much to ask.
Another, can't have a discussion without having a dig. No I'm not on Facebook actually. Yes he did say that. Go look for yourself. If you want to stick an experimental vaccine in your body to save yourself from a virus thats killed less than 0.1 percent of the global population. Most of whom had underlying conditions and many who simply tested positive within 28 days of death.(regardless of real cause) go right ahead.
I'll wait until next year thanks "He did not say that, and yes, I'll have a dig when you're spreading falsehoods. A very quick Google search proves you wrong. | |||
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"No it doesn't and its not a vaccine It's an experimental injection Absolutely correct. Phizers website says the trials don't end till 2023. The ceo of moderna says it does alter your DNA. Can't believe so many people are so keen to have an untested vaccine shoved in their body's. Not talking about microchips etc. Talking about the unknown. Now they want to mix two kinds together .
Also, let's not forget the original trials were on 18 to 50 year old with no underlying health issues. And out of I think it was 45000 people. Only half were vaxxed. The rest were placebo.
So 22500 healthy people to gather data from. What an absolute joke.
The moderna comment is totally false, yet another person that doesn't bother looking for facts, just copies what they see on facebook.
Also, regarding the trials, people volunteered to be in those trials and they are the only people involved in the trials.
Given the benefits that the vaccine provides, I'd think people would stop looking for things to bitch about, but I guess that's too much to ask.
Another, can't have a discussion without having a dig. No I'm not on Facebook actually. Yes he did say that. Go look for yourself. If you want to stick an experimental vaccine in your body to save yourself from a virus thats killed less than 0.1 percent of the global population. Most of whom had underlying conditions and many who simply tested positive within 28 days of death.(regardless of real cause) go right ahead.
I'll wait until next year thanks
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"No it doesn't and its not a vaccine It's an experimental injection Absolutely correct. Phizers website says the trials don't end till 2023. The ceo of moderna says it does alter your DNA. Can't believe so many people are so keen to have an untested vaccine shoved in their body's. Not talking about microchips etc. Talking about the unknown. Now they want to mix two kinds together .
Also, let's not forget the original trials were on 18 to 50 year old with no underlying health issues. And out of I think it was 45000 people. Only half were vaxxed. The rest were placebo.
So 22500 healthy people to gather data from. What an absolute joke.
The moderna comment is totally false, yet another person that doesn't bother looking for facts, just copies what they see on facebook.
Also, regarding the trials, people volunteered to be in those trials and they are the only people involved in the trials.
Given the benefits that the vaccine provides, I'd think people would stop looking for things to bitch about, but I guess that's too much to ask.
Another, can't have a discussion without having a dig. No I'm not on Facebook actually. Yes he did say that. Go look for yourself. If you want to stick an experimental vaccine in your body to save yourself from a virus thats killed less than 0.1 percent of the global population. Most of whom had underlying conditions and many who simply tested positive within 28 days of death.(regardless of real cause) go right ahead.
I'll wait until next year thanks
He did not say that, and yes, I'll have a dig when you're spreading falsehoods. A very quick Google search proves you wrong.
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"No it doesn't and its not a vaccine It's an experimental injection Absolutely correct. Phizers website says the trials don't end till 2023. The ceo of moderna says it does alter your DNA. Can't believe so many people are so keen to have an untested vaccine shoved in their body's. Not talking about microchips etc. Talking about the unknown. Now they want to mix two kinds together .
Also, let's not forget the original trials were on 18 to 50 year old with no underlying health issues. And out of I think it was 45000 people. Only half were vaxxed. The rest were placebo.
So 22500 healthy people to gather data from. What an absolute joke.
The moderna comment is totally false, yet another person that doesn't bother looking for facts, just copies what they see on facebook.
Also, regarding the trials, people volunteered to be in those trials and they are the only people involved in the trials.
Given the benefits that the vaccine provides, I'd think people would stop looking for things to bitch about, but I guess that's too much to ask.
Another, can't have a discussion without having a dig. No I'm not on Facebook actually. Yes he did say that. Go look for yourself. If you want to stick an experimental vaccine in your body to save yourself from a virus thats killed less than 0.1 percent of the global population. Most of whom had underlying conditions and many who simply tested positive within 28 days of death.(regardless of real cause) go right ahead.
I'll wait until next year thanks
He did not say that, and yes, I'll have a dig when you're spreading falsehoods. A very quick Google search proves you wrong.
Enjoy being a guinea pig
Enjoy the restrictions they hopefully impose on people like you "What a lovely human being you are. Why not just have your vaccine and stop concerning yourself with those that don't want to experimented on. After all. You've had the vax so your safe aren't you? it's amazing what fear can do to people. I suppose I'll be a lower form of human if I don't. Welcome to the vaccine apartheid so very very very sad.
Have a look into the auto immune response that ALL the animals they tested on died from after being exposed to the virus "in the wild"
I hope you are ok in thing term.
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" Enjoy the restrictions they hopefully impose on people like you
What a lovely human being you are.
Why not just have your vaccine and stop concerning yourself with those that don't want to experimented on. After all. You've had the vax so your safe aren't you? it's amazing what fear can do to people. I suppose I'll be a lower form of human if I don't. Welcome to the vaccine apartheid so very very very sad.
Have a look into the auto immune response that ALL the animals they tested on died from after being exposed to the virus "in the wild"
I hope you are ok in thing term.
I genuinely mean that because I'm not a virtue signalling, higher than mighty sheep person "You're spreading falsehoods, trying to convince people not to have the vaccine, why not just not have the vaccine and stop concerning yourself with people who do want it? You're lying to people and getting defensive when called out on it, and yes, I do think you're a lower form of human if you spout bullshit about something you have no idea about then try to pass it off as fact. | |||
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" Enjoy the restrictions they hopefully impose on people like you
What a lovely human being you are.
Why not just have your vaccine and stop concerning yourself with those that don't want to experimented on. After all. You've had the vax so your safe aren't you? it's amazing what fear can do to people. I suppose I'll be a lower form of human if I don't. Welcome to the vaccine apartheid so very very very sad.
Have a look into the auto immune response that ALL the animals they tested on died from after being exposed to the virus "in the wild"
I hope you are ok in thing term.
I genuinely mean that because I'm not a virtue signalling, higher than mighty sheep person
You're spreading falsehoods, trying to convince people not to have the vaccine, why not just not have the vaccine and stop concerning yourself with people who do want it? You're lying to people and getting defensive when called out on it, and yes, I do think you're a lower form of human if you spout bullshit about something you have no idea about then try to pass it off as fact. "Lol. I'm expressing an opinion. Not trying to convince anyone. Why you so angry. Again so sad that others aren't allowed an opinion. I could school you on peer reviewed FACTS if I could share links. Look up professor sucharit bhakdi. Think he knows what he's on about. Then again, maybe you're far more qualified. I'm out. X | |||
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" Enjoy the restrictions they hopefully impose on people like you
What a lovely human being you are.
Why not just have your vaccine and stop concerning yourself with those that don't want to experimented on. After all. You've had the vax so your safe aren't you? it's amazing what fear can do to people. I suppose I'll be a lower form of human if I don't. Welcome to the vaccine apartheid so very very very sad.
Have a look into the auto immune response that ALL the animals they tested on died from after being exposed to the virus "in the wild"
I hope you are ok in thing term.
I genuinely mean that because I'm not a virtue signalling, higher than mighty sheep person
You're spreading falsehoods, trying to convince people not to have the vaccine, why not just not have the vaccine and stop concerning yourself with people who do want it? You're lying to people and getting defensive when called out on it, and yes, I do think you're a lower form of human if you spout bullshit about something you have no idea about then try to pass it off as fact.
Lol. I'm expressing an opinion. Not trying to convince anyone. Why you so angry. Again so sad that others aren't allowed an opinion.
I could school you on peer reviewed FACTS if I could share links. Look up professor sucharit bhakdi. Think he knows what he's on about. Then again, maybe you're far more qualified. I'm out. X"Nope, you stated that the CEO of moderna said it changes your DNA, that's not an opinion, that's you twisting someone's words to further your own agenda. You mean the man that has been disproven and had many of his writings called 'unscientific' by his peers? That man? | |||
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" Enjoy the restrictions they hopefully impose on people like you
What a lovely human being you are.
Why not just have your vaccine and stop concerning yourself with those that don't want to experimented on. After all. You've had the vax so your safe aren't you? it's amazing what fear can do to people. I suppose I'll be a lower form of human if I don't. Welcome to the vaccine apartheid so very very very sad.
Have a look into the auto immune response that ALL the animals they tested on died from after being exposed to the virus "in the wild"
I hope you are ok in thing term.
I genuinely mean that because I'm not a virtue signalling, higher than mighty sheep person
You're spreading falsehoods, trying to convince people not to have the vaccine, why not just not have the vaccine and stop concerning yourself with people who do want it? You're lying to people and getting defensive when called out on it, and yes, I do think you're a lower form of human if you spout bullshit about something you have no idea about then try to pass it off as fact.
Lol. I'm expressing an opinion. Not trying to convince anyone. Why you so angry. Again so sad that others aren't allowed an opinion.
I could school you on peer reviewed FACTS if I could share links. Look up professor sucharit bhakdi. Think he knows what he's on about. Then again, maybe you're far more qualified. I'm out. X
Nope, you stated that the CEO of moderna said it changes your DNA, that's not an opinion, that's you twisting someone's words to further your own agenda.
You mean the man that has been disproven and had many of his writings called 'unscientific' by his peers? That man? "Yeh coz main stream media tells you that it's true lol. Try googlinig Facebook, Google and BBC , pharma. Nuffield said. Can't be bothered. | |||
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" Enjoy the restrictions they hopefully impose on people like you
What a lovely human being you are.
Why not just have your vaccine and stop concerning yourself with those that don't want to experimented on. After all. You've had the vax so your safe aren't you? it's amazing what fear can do to people. I suppose I'll be a lower form of human if I don't. Welcome to the vaccine apartheid so very very very sad.
Have a look into the auto immune response that ALL the animals they tested on died from after being exposed to the virus "in the wild"
I hope you are ok in thing term.
I genuinely mean that because I'm not a virtue signalling, higher than mighty sheep person
You're spreading falsehoods, trying to convince people not to have the vaccine, why not just not have the vaccine and stop concerning yourself with people who do want it? You're lying to people and getting defensive when called out on it, and yes, I do think you're a lower form of human if you spout bullshit about something you have no idea about then try to pass it off as fact.
Lol. I'm expressing an opinion. Not trying to convince anyone. Why you so angry. Again so sad that others aren't allowed an opinion.
I could school you on peer reviewed FACTS if I could share links. Look up professor sucharit bhakdi. Think he knows what he's on about. Then again, maybe you're far more qualified. I'm out. X
Nope, you stated that the CEO of moderna said it changes your DNA, that's not an opinion, that's you twisting someone's words to further your own agenda.
You mean the man that has been disproven and had many of his writings called 'unscientific' by his peers? That man?
Yeh coz main stream media tells you that it's true lol.
Try googlinig Facebook, Google and BBC , pharma. Nuffield said. Can't be bothered. "What are you talking about? YOU blatantly lied about something | |||
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" Enjoy the restrictions they hopefully impose on people like you
What a lovely human being you are.
Why not just have your vaccine and stop concerning yourself with those that don't want to experimented on. After all. You've had the vax so your safe aren't you? it's amazing what fear can do to people. I suppose I'll be a lower form of human if I don't. Welcome to the vaccine apartheid so very very very sad.
Have a look into the auto immune response that ALL the animals they tested on died from after being exposed to the virus "in the wild"
I hope you are ok in thing term.
I genuinely mean that because I'm not a virtue signalling, higher than mighty sheep person
You're spreading falsehoods, trying to convince people not to have the vaccine, why not just not have the vaccine and stop concerning yourself with people who do want it? You're lying to people and getting defensive when called out on it, and yes, I do think you're a lower form of human if you spout bullshit about something you have no idea about then try to pass it off as fact.
Lol. I'm expressing an opinion. Not trying to convince anyone. Why you so angry. Again so sad that others aren't allowed an opinion.
I could school you on peer reviewed FACTS if I could share links. Look up professor sucharit bhakdi. Think he knows what he's on about. Then again, maybe you're far more qualified. I'm out. X
Nope, you stated that the CEO of moderna said it changes your DNA, that's not an opinion, that's you twisting someone's words to further your own agenda.
You mean the man that has been disproven and had many of his writings called 'unscientific' by his peers? That man?
Yeh coz main stream media tells you that it's true lol.
Try googlinig Facebook, Google and BBC , pharma. Nuffield said. Can't be bothered.
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"Ok. I'm going to hold my hands up and admit I'd seen the ceo of moderna thing and it's clear it turns out he was misconstrued and I fell for it. I'm big enough to admit I'm wrong. HOWEVER. My stance doesn't change on the vax. Have a look at ADE. it's a study published in pubmed. That's all I'm saying "There's absolutely zero evidence that antibody dependent enhancement occurs with Covid-19 vaccines. It was theoretical but has not been observed: Medpage Today: "Why ADE Hasn't Been a Problem With COVID Vaccines" Sciencemag.org: "Antibody-Dependent Enhancement and the Coronavirus Vaccines" A quote from the second one: The Bottom Line So here’s the short version: no sign of ADE during the preclinical animal studies. No sign during the human clinical trials. No sign during the initial vaccine rollouts into the population. And (so far) no sign of ADE even with the variant strains in different parts of the world. We have things to worry about in this pandemic, but as far as I can tell today, antibody-dependent enhancement does not seem to be one of them. I understand why people would worry about it, and want to avoid it. But if you’re coming across reports that say that it’s a real problem right now and that you should avoid getting vaccinated because of it, well, I just don’t see it. Some of that is well-intentioned caution, and some of it is probably flat-out anti-vaccine scaremongering. | |||
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"Ok. I'm going to hold my hands up and admit I'd seen the ceo of moderna thing and it's clear it turns out he was misconstrued and I fell for it. I'm big enough to admit I'm wrong. HOWEVER. My stance doesn't change on the vax. Have a look at ADE. it's a study published in pubmed. That's all I'm saying "Dengue isn't Covid. Hope this helps | |||
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"Ok. I'm going to hold my hands up and admit I'd seen the ceo of moderna thing and it's clear it turns out he was misconstrued and I fell for it. I'm big enough to admit I'm wrong. HOWEVER. My stance doesn't change on the vax. Have a look at ADE. it's a study published in pubmed. That's all I'm saying "Still yawning and rolling your eyes? | |||
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"Ok. I'm going to hold my hands up and admit I'd seen the ceo of moderna thing and it's clear it turns out he was misconstrued and I fell for it. I'm big enough to admit I'm wrong. HOWEVER. My stance doesn't change on the vax. Have a look at ADE. it's a study published in pubmed. That's all I'm saying
Still yawning and rolling your eyes? "Scrambling for literally anything I suspect. Infertility autism side effects experimental gene therapy ADE mercury. Maybe it'll turn us into cows (some argued that in Jenner's time) | |||
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"From Pub med. Results of the study: COVID-19 vaccines designed to elicit neutralising antibodies may sensitise vaccine recipients to more severe disease than if they were not vaccinated. Vaccines for SARS, MERS and RSV have never been approved, and the data generated in the development and testing of these vaccines suggest a serious mechanistic concern: that vaccines designed empirically using the traditional approach (consisting of the unmodified or minimally modified coronavirus viral spike to elicit neutralising antibodies), be they composed of protein, viral vector, DNA or RNA and irrespective of delivery method, may worsen COVID-19 disease via antibody-dependent enhancement (ADE). This risk is sufficiently obscured in clinical trial protocols and consent forms for ongoing COVID-19 vaccine trials that adequate patient comprehension of this risk is unlikely to occur, obviating truly informed consent by subjects in these trials. Conclusions drawn from the study and clinical implications: The specific and significant COVID-19 risk of ADE should have been and should be prominently and independently disclosed to research subjects currently in vaccine trials, as well as those being recruited for the trials and future patients after vaccine approval, in order to meet the medical ethics standard of patient comprehension for informed consent.
"This is actually hilarious, it's about patient comprehension. You should take note of the word may, they haven't provided evidence, just said it might happen. You seem to have issues with comprehension. What's your point? | |||
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" This is actually hilarious, it's about patient comprehension. You should take note of the word may, they haven't provided evidence, just said it might happen. You seem to have issues with comprehension. What's your point?" Cherry picking evidence or misreading stuff: very, very typical on this side of the aisle. | |||
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"From Pub med. Results of the study: COVID-19 vaccines designed to elicit neutralising antibodies may sensitise vaccine recipients to more severe disease than if they were not vaccinated. Vaccines for SARS, MERS and RSV have never been approved, and the data generated in the development and testing of these vaccines suggest a serious mechanistic concern: that vaccines designed empirically using the traditional approach (consisting of the unmodified or minimally modified coronavirus viral spike to elicit neutralising antibodies), be they composed of protein, viral vector, DNA or RNA and irrespective of delivery method, may worsen COVID-19 disease via antibody-dependent enhancement (ADE). This risk is sufficiently obscured in clinical trial protocols and consent forms for ongoing COVID-19 vaccine trials that adequate patient comprehension of this risk is unlikely to occur, obviating truly informed consent by subjects in these trials. Conclusions drawn from the study and clinical implications: The specific and significant COVID-19 risk of ADE should have been and should be prominently and independently disclosed to research subjects currently in vaccine trials, as well as those being recruited for the trials and future patients after vaccine approval, in order to meet the medical ethics standard of patient comprehension for informed consent.
This is actually hilarious, it's about patient comprehension. You should take note of the word may, they haven't provided evidence, just said it might happen. You seem to have issues with comprehension.
What's your point?"My point is there is clearly an issue with potential ADE that isn't being disclosed to people. I'm not quite sure why you're so aggressive in your reply. You seem to think I'm anti vax. I'm not. ( Not that it should concern anyone, unless your names karen). I'm sharing my thoughts out of care for fellow human beings. Weather I'm proved right or wrong is irrelevant. No hiding from these FACTS. 1. No long term studies exist for these vaccines. 2. NOBODY knows what effect they may have long term. ( hence the freedom from liability that the pharma companies have) 3. If you think for 1 second that big pharma will tell you the truth. You're wrong! (See phizer lawsuits for a start) see the history of oxycodeine and what it's done to thousands of lives. 4. The phizer trials do not end till 2023 which means yes, they are experimenting on people. All this and more for something that's killed, or been involved in someway for 3 million deaths out of a global population of over 6 billion. Even the times has recently stated that over a quarter of uk covid deaths, weren't covid related. You do the maths. I'm pointing out things I've heard. I'm always open to being corrected when wrong. I will have the vaccine when I know its safe and fully outweighs the mortality rate of covid. As for ebola, dengue fever etc. Very high mortality rate so why no vaccines? End of the day it's too early to say. Until the second doses have been rolled out and we've gone through another flu season/3rd wave. I'll pass. Being concerned about a vaccine with so little data gathered over a long period of time, is NOT anti vax. Merely being cautious. If anyone thinks that's ridiculous should be ashamed of themselves. You can believe what msm and social media tell you. That's fine. When you realise that both of those are funded by big tech and big pharma. You have a right to listen to all sides of the argument. Never mind fact checkers. They aren't necessarily being unbiased. Especially when they also receive funding from the aforementioned. I actually hope I'm completely wrong in my fears. Banning/discrediting time served, highly qualified professors from the big platforms only serves to fuel the suspicion. With professor sucharit bhakdi for example. The man has taught all over. He's won awards. He raises concerns and all of a sudden he's not to be trusted. COMMON SENSE would tell you somethings not quite right. Good luck with your vaccines. I hope you have success with it. | |||
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"My point is there is clearly an issue with potential ADE that isn't being disclosed to people. I'm not quite sure why you're so aggressive in your reply. You seem to think I'm anti vax. I'm not. ( Not that it should concern anyone, unless your names karen). I'm sharing my thoughts out of care for fellow human beings. Weather I'm proved right or wrong is irrelevant. No hiding from these FACTS. 1. No long term studies exist for these vaccines. 2. NOBODY knows what effect they may have long term. ( hence the freedom from liability that the pharma companies have) 3. If you think for 1 second that big pharma will tell you the truth. You're wrong! (See phizer lawsuits for a start) see the history of oxycodeine and what it's done to thousands of lives. This I totally agree with as the vaccine is now going to come with a warning which I'm sure covers any lawsuit" The vaccine is covered under state liability, as is every other vaccine. It carries a list of side effects/risks, as does every other vaccine, medicine, painkiller (medicine) or medical procedure. | |||
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"My point is there is clearly an issue with potential ADE that isn't being disclosed to people. I'm not quite sure why you're so aggressive in your reply. You seem to think I'm anti vax. I'm not. ( Not that it should concern anyone, unless your names karen). I'm sharing my thoughts out of care for fellow human beings. Weather I'm proved right or wrong is irrelevant. No hiding from these FACTS. 1. No long term studies exist for these vaccines. 2. NOBODY knows what effect they may have long term. ( hence the freedom from liability that the pharma companies have) 3. If you think for 1 second that big pharma will tell you the truth. You're wrong! (See phizer lawsuits for a start) see the history of oxycodeine and what it's done to thousands of lives. This I totally agree with as the vaccine is now going to come with a warning which I'm sure covers any lawsuit" The "long term studies" element is a bit of a grey area. Obviously there are many different vaccines (20ish), but they are all based on pre-existing technologies so there is a huge amount of long-term data on the bulk of each vaccine. The "Freedom from litigation" was realistically part of government "begging" the manufacturers to release their vaccines before they wanted to. | |||
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"My point is there is clearly an issue with potential ADE that isn't being disclosed to people. I'm not quite sure why you're so aggressive in your reply. You seem to think I'm anti vax. I'm not. ( Not that it should concern anyone, unless your names karen). I'm sharing my thoughts out of care for fellow human beings. Weather I'm proved right or wrong is irrelevant. No hiding from these FACTS. 1. No long term studies exist for these vaccines. 2. NOBODY knows what effect they may have long term. ( hence the freedom from liability that the pharma companies have) 3. If you think for 1 second that big pharma will tell you the truth. You're wrong! (See phizer lawsuits for a start) see the history of oxycodeine and what it's done to thousands of lives. This I totally agree with as the vaccine is now going to come with a warning which I'm sure covers any lawsuit The "long term studies" element is a bit of a grey area. Obviously there are many different vaccines (20ish), but they are all based on pre-existing technologies so there is a huge amount of long-term data on the bulk of each vaccine. The "Freedom from litigation" was realistically part of government "begging" the manufacturers to release their vaccines before they wanted to." And the litigation thing applies to most or all vaccines in the UK and this kind of action has been taken for decades | |||
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"My point is there is clearly an issue with potential ADE that isn't being disclosed to people. I'm not quite sure why you're so aggressive in your reply. You seem to think I'm anti vax. I'm not. ( Not that it should concern anyone, unless your names karen). I'm sharing my thoughts out of care for fellow human beings. Weather I'm proved right or wrong is irrelevant. No hiding from these FACTS. 1. No long term studies exist for these vaccines. 2. NOBODY knows what effect they may have long term. ( hence the freedom from liability that the pharma companies have) 3. If you think for 1 second that big pharma will tell you the truth. You're wrong! (See phizer lawsuits for a start) see the history of oxycodeine and what it's done to thousands of lives. This I totally agree with as the vaccine is now going to come with a warning which I'm sure covers any lawsuit The vaccine is covered under state liability, as is every other vaccine. It carries a list of side effects/risks, as does every other vaccine, medicine, painkiller (medicine) or medical procedure." Can you point me to where it says you're covered by state liability please. Also, seeing as they are only just asking for blood clots to be added to the list of adverse reactions. How on earth can they add complications to a list if they are still discovering them? The vaccines haven't been going long enough to know. Average data gathering for flu vaccines take around 10 years to correlate. With all due respect. Unless you have a crystal ball,there's absolutely no way to say at this moment. The list of side effects are simply generic for all vaccines. | |||
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"My point is there is clearly an issue with potential ADE that isn't being disclosed to people. I'm not quite sure why you're so aggressive in your reply. You seem to think I'm anti vax. I'm not. ( Not that it should concern anyone, unless your names karen). I'm sharing my thoughts out of care for fellow human beings. Weather I'm proved right or wrong is irrelevant. No hiding from these FACTS. 1. No long term studies exist for these vaccines. 2. NOBODY knows what effect they may have long term. ( hence the freedom from liability that the pharma companies have) 3. If you think for 1 second that big pharma will tell you the truth. You're wrong! (See phizer lawsuits for a start) see the history of oxycodeine and what it's done to thousands of lives. This I totally agree with as the vaccine is now going to come with a warning which I'm sure covers any lawsuit The vaccine is covered under state liability, as is every other vaccine. It carries a list of side effects/risks, as does every other vaccine, medicine, painkiller (medicine) or medical procedure. Can you point me to where it says you're covered by state liability please. Also, seeing as they are only just asking for blood clots to be added to the list of adverse reactions. How on earth can they add complications to a list if they are still discovering them? The vaccines haven't been going long enough to know. Average data gathering for flu vaccines take around 10 years to correlate. With all due respect. Unless you have a crystal ball,there's absolutely no way to say at this moment. The list of side effects are simply generic for all vaccines." https://www.gov.uk/vaccine-damage-payment | |||
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"My point is there is clearly an issue with potential ADE that isn't being disclosed to people. I'm not quite sure why you're so aggressive in your reply. You seem to think I'm anti vax. I'm not. ( Not that it should concern anyone, unless your names karen). I'm sharing my thoughts out of care for fellow human beings. Weather I'm proved right or wrong is irrelevant. No hiding from these FACTS. 1. No long term studies exist for these vaccines. 2. NOBODY knows what effect they may have long term. ( hence the freedom from liability that the pharma companies have) 3. If you think for 1 second that big pharma will tell you the truth. You're wrong! (See phizer lawsuits for a start) see the history of oxycodeine and what it's done to thousands of lives. This I totally agree with as the vaccine is now going to come with a warning which I'm sure covers any lawsuit The vaccine is covered under state liability, as is every other vaccine. It carries a list of side effects/risks, as does every other vaccine, medicine, painkiller (medicine) or medical procedure. Can you point me to where it says you're covered by state liability please. Also, seeing as they are only just asking for blood clots to be added to the list of adverse reactions. How on earth can they add complications to a list if they are still discovering them? The vaccines haven't been going long enough to know. Average data gathering for flu vaccines take around 10 years to correlate. With all due respect. Unless you have a crystal ball,there's absolutely no way to say at this moment. The list of side effects are simply generic for all vaccines. https://www.gov.uk/vaccine-damage-payment" Oo cool. I get £120,000 pounds as long as I'm over 60 percent disabled by the vaccine. I asked for the link to where it says the pharmaceutical companies are liable. There isn't one though is there. Seeing as everyone thinks the vaccine is safe. (Coz phizer,moderna,j and j, astrazeneca say so) Why no liability? Laughable | |||
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"My point is there is clearly an issue with potential ADE that isn't being disclosed to people. I'm not quite sure why you're so aggressive in your reply. You seem to think I'm anti vax. I'm not. ( Not that it should concern anyone, unless your names karen). I'm sharing my thoughts out of care for fellow human beings. Weather I'm proved right or wrong is irrelevant. No hiding from these FACTS. 1. No long term studies exist for these vaccines. 2. NOBODY knows what effect they may have long term. ( hence the freedom from liability that the pharma companies have) 3. If you think for 1 second that big pharma will tell you the truth. You're wrong! (See phizer lawsuits for a start) see the history of oxycodeine and what it's done to thousands of lives. This I totally agree with as the vaccine is now going to come with a warning which I'm sure covers any lawsuit The vaccine is covered under state liability, as is every other vaccine. It carries a list of side effects/risks, as does every other vaccine, medicine, painkiller (medicine) or medical procedure. Can you point me to where it says you're covered by state liability please. Also, seeing as they are only just asking for blood clots to be added to the list of adverse reactions. How on earth can they add complications to a list if they are still discovering them? The vaccines haven't been going long enough to know. Average data gathering for flu vaccines take around 10 years to correlate. With all due respect. Unless you have a crystal ball,there's absolutely no way to say at this moment. The list of side effects are simply generic for all vaccines. https://www.gov.uk/vaccine-damage-payment Oo cool. I get £120,000 pounds as long as I'm over 60 percent disabled by the vaccine. I asked for the link to where it says the pharmaceutical companies are liable. There isn't one though is there. Seeing as everyone thinks the vaccine is safe. (Coz phizer,moderna,j and j, astrazeneca say so) Why no liability? Laughable "It's the same system that applies to every vaccine. If you don't like it, take it up with your MP, it's a political decision. Because these companies say so - umm. No. That's not how any of this works. Look it up if you like, clinical trials happened, they passed, and they were scrutinised by various governments and approved. | |||
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"My point is there is clearly an issue with potential ADE that isn't being disclosed to people. I'm not quite sure why you're so aggressive in your reply. You seem to think I'm anti vax. I'm not. ( Not that it should concern anyone, unless your names karen). I'm sharing my thoughts out of care for fellow human beings. Weather I'm proved right or wrong is irrelevant. No hiding from these FACTS. 1. No long term studies exist for these vaccines. 2. NOBODY knows what effect they may have long term. ( hence the freedom from liability that the pharma companies have) 3. If you think for 1 second that big pharma will tell you the truth. You're wrong! (See phizer lawsuits for a start) see the history of oxycodeine and what it's done to thousands of lives. This I totally agree with as the vaccine is now going to come with a warning which I'm sure covers any lawsuit The vaccine is covered under state liability, as is every other vaccine. It carries a list of side effects/risks, as does every other vaccine, medicine, painkiller (medicine) or medical procedure. Can you point me to where it says you're covered by state liability please. Also, seeing as they are only just asking for blood clots to be added to the list of adverse reactions. How on earth can they add complications to a list if they are still discovering them? The vaccines haven't been going long enough to know. Average data gathering for flu vaccines take around 10 years to correlate. With all due respect. Unless you have a crystal ball,there's absolutely no way to say at this moment. The list of side effects are simply generic for all vaccines. https://www.gov.uk/vaccine-damage-payment Oo cool. I get £120,000 pounds as long as I'm over 60 percent disabled by the vaccine. I asked for the link to where it says the pharmaceutical companies are liable. There isn't one though is there. Seeing as everyone thinks the vaccine is safe. (Coz phizer,moderna,j and j, astrazeneca say so) Why no liability? Laughable "So as an anti vaxxer what do you think the alternative is? Living like this? Herd immunity? .. tell me what is the safer alternative? | |||
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"My point is there is clearly an issue with potential ADE that isn't being disclosed to people. I'm not quite sure why you're so aggressive in your reply. You seem to think I'm anti vax. I'm not. ( Not that it should concern anyone, unless your names karen). I'm sharing my thoughts out of care for fellow human beings. Weather I'm proved right or wrong is irrelevant. No hiding from these FACTS. 1. No long term studies exist for these vaccines. 2. NOBODY knows what effect they may have long term. ( hence the freedom from liability that the pharma companies have) 3. If you think for 1 second that big pharma will tell you the truth. You're wrong! (See phizer lawsuits for a start) see the history of oxycodeine and what it's done to thousands of lives. This I totally agree with as the vaccine is now going to come with a warning which I'm sure covers any lawsuit The vaccine is covered under state liability, as is every other vaccine. It carries a list of side effects/risks, as does every other vaccine, medicine, painkiller (medicine) or medical procedure. Can you point me to where it says you're covered by state liability please. Also, seeing as they are only just asking for blood clots to be added to the list of adverse reactions. How on earth can they add complications to a list if they are still discovering them? The vaccines haven't been going long enough to know. Average data gathering for flu vaccines take around 10 years to correlate. With all due respect. Unless you have a crystal ball,there's absolutely no way to say at this moment. The list of side effects are simply generic for all vaccines. https://www.gov.uk/vaccine-damage-payment Oo cool. I get £120,000 pounds as long as I'm over 60 percent disabled by the vaccine. I asked for the link to where it says the pharmaceutical companies are liable. There isn't one though is there. Seeing as everyone thinks the vaccine is safe. (Coz phizer,moderna,j and j, astrazeneca say so) Why no liability? Laughable
So as an anti vaxxer what do you think the alternative is? Living like this? Herd immunity? .. tell me what is the safer alternative?"I assume by antivaxer you mean yourself? I'm certainly not anti vax. I've had mine. As have my children. (Which I allowed) I'm anti untested (long term) vax yes. I'm anti being a guinea pig for companies who's soul reason for existing is profit. (If you think they're in business to save people then there's no hope for you) Heard immunity absolutely. Apparently we met that target last week. Oh and before anyone says herd immunity is reached when enough people have had the vaccine as per the who website. I think you'll find that page was changed in November 2020. Before that it was the time served, well established story that when enough people have been infected. Herd immunity is achieved. Funny that | |||
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"My point is there is clearly an issue with potential ADE that isn't being disclosed to people. I'm not quite sure why you're so aggressive in your reply. You seem to think I'm anti vax. I'm not. ( Not that it should concern anyone, unless your names karen). I'm sharing my thoughts out of care for fellow human beings. Weather I'm proved right or wrong is irrelevant. No hiding from these FACTS. 1. No long term studies exist for these vaccines. 2. NOBODY knows what effect they may have long term. ( hence the freedom from liability that the pharma companies have) 3. If you think for 1 second that big pharma will tell you the truth. You're wrong! (See phizer lawsuits for a start) see the history of oxycodeine and what it's done to thousands of lives. This I totally agree with as the vaccine is now going to come with a warning which I'm sure covers any lawsuit The vaccine is covered under state liability, as is every other vaccine. It carries a list of side effects/risks, as does every other vaccine, medicine, painkiller (medicine) or medical procedure. Can you point me to where it says you're covered by state liability please. Also, seeing as they are only just asking for blood clots to be added to the list of adverse reactions. How on earth can they add complications to a list if they are still discovering them? The vaccines haven't been going long enough to know. Average data gathering for flu vaccines take around 10 years to correlate. With all due respect. Unless you have a crystal ball,there's absolutely no way to say at this moment. The list of side effects are simply generic for all vaccines. https://www.gov.uk/vaccine-damage-payment Oo cool. I get £120,000 pounds as long as I'm over 60 percent disabled by the vaccine. I asked for the link to where it says the pharmaceutical companies are liable. There isn't one though is there. Seeing as everyone thinks the vaccine is safe. (Coz phizer,moderna,j and j, astrazeneca say so) Why no liability? Laughable
So as an anti vaxxer what do you think the alternative is? Living like this? Herd immunity? .. tell me what is the safer alternative?
I assume by antivaxer you mean yourself?
I'm certainly not anti vax. I've had mine. As have my children. (Which I allowed)
I'm anti untested (long term) vax yes.
I'm anti being a guinea pig for companies who's soul reason for existing is profit.
(If you think they're in business to save people then there's no hope for you)
Heard immunity absolutely.
Apparently we met that target last week.
Oh and before anyone says herd immunity is reached when enough people have had the vaccine as per the who website.
I think you'll find that page was changed in November 2020.
Before that it was the time served, well established story that when enough people have been infected. Herd immunity is achieved. Funny that "Look, ladies and gentlemen. Not just wrong, not just very wrong. Quantum wrong. It's so shiny | |||
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"Lol you are funny. Would you like to see the evidence? It's right here waiting for you. Unfortunately I can't upload it here. "Given your concern about ADE which is unfounded and based on now out of date material, your lack of understanding of clinical trials or approvals, and more besides, I suspect that you're not entirely clear what "evidence" means and the bar required. | |||
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"Lol you are funny. Would you like to see the evidence? It's right here waiting for you. Unfortunately I can't upload it here.
Given your concern about ADE which is unfounded and based on now out of date material, your lack of understanding of clinical trials or approvals, and more besides, I suspect that you're not entirely clear what "evidence" means and the bar required."Thanks for your opinion. I'm done talking to you about this. We'll agree that I'm right and you're wrong then leave it at that. Stay safe. Stay well. All the best. | |||
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"My point is there is clearly an issue with potential ADE that isn't being disclosed to people. I'm not quite sure why you're so aggressive in your reply. You seem to think I'm anti vax. I'm not. ( Not that it should concern anyone, unless your names karen). I'm sharing my thoughts out of care for fellow human beings. Weather I'm proved right or wrong is irrelevant. No hiding from these FACTS. 1. No long term studies exist for these vaccines. 2. NOBODY knows what effect they may have long term. ( hence the freedom from liability that the pharma companies have) 3. If you think for 1 second that big pharma will tell you the truth. You're wrong! (See phizer lawsuits for a start) see the history of oxycodeine and what it's done to thousands of lives. This I totally agree with as the vaccine is now going to come with a warning which I'm sure covers any lawsuit The vaccine is covered under state liability, as is every other vaccine. It carries a list of side effects/risks, as does every other vaccine, medicine, painkiller (medicine) or medical procedure. Can you point me to where it says you're covered by state liability please. Also, seeing as they are only just asking for blood clots to be added to the list of adverse reactions. How on earth can they add complications to a list if they are still discovering them? The vaccines haven't been going long enough to know. Average data gathering for flu vaccines take around 10 years to correlate. With all due respect. Unless you have a crystal ball,there's absolutely no way to say at this moment. The list of side effects are simply generic for all vaccines. https://www.gov.uk/vaccine-damage-payment Oo cool. I get £120,000 pounds as long as I'm over 60 percent disabled by the vaccine. I asked for the link to where it says the pharmaceutical companies are liable. There isn't one though is there. Seeing as everyone thinks the vaccine is safe. (Coz phizer,moderna,j and j, astrazeneca say so) Why no liability? Laughable
So as an anti vaxxer what do you think the alternative is? Living like this? Herd immunity? .. tell me what is the safer alternative?
I assume by antivaxer you mean yourself?
I'm certainly not anti vax. I've had mine. As have my children. (Which I allowed)
I'm anti untested (long term) vax yes.
I'm anti being a guinea pig for companies who's soul reason for existing is profit.
(If you think they're in business to save people then there's no hope for you)
Heard immunity absolutely.
Apparently we met that target last week.
Oh and before anyone says herd immunity is reached when enough people have had the vaccine as per the who website.
I think you'll find that page was changed in November 2020.
Before that it was the time served, well established story that when enough people have been infected. Herd immunity is achieved. Funny that "Herd immunity is not concerned with vaccination or viral infections, any/every source of immunity contributes to the immunity of the herd. I think there also needs to be lines drawn between the scientists who developed the vaccines and the "pharma" indindustries that are manufacture the products. The vast majority of scientists are only concerned with the truth and the science, and there are plenty of others who are always going to "check" the science to ensure that it is correct and accurate... there's no getting away with telling porkies. Cal | |||
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"Lol you are funny. Would you like to see the evidence? It's right here waiting for you. Unfortunately I can't upload it here.
Given your concern about ADE which is unfounded and based on now out of date material, your lack of understanding of clinical trials or approvals, and more besides, I suspect that you're not entirely clear what "evidence" means and the bar required.
Thanks for your opinion.
I'm done talking to you about this. We'll agree that I'm right and you're wrong then leave it at that.
Stay safe. Stay well. All the best. "You’re wrong #justsaying | |||
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"Lol you are funny. Would you like to see the evidence? It's right here waiting for you. Unfortunately I can't upload it here.
Given your concern about ADE which is unfounded and based on now out of date material, your lack of understanding of clinical trials or approvals, and more besides, I suspect that you're not entirely clear what "evidence" means and the bar required.
Thanks for your opinion.
I'm done talking to you about this. We'll agree that I'm right and you're wrong then leave it at that.
Stay safe. Stay well. All the best. "You say you're happy to be proved wrong, yet you spent half of this thread defending a lie told by the mainstream media, when you finally admitted you were wrong you found something else to bitch about. For a 'not an antivaxxer' you're sure acting like one. How about we all agree that you've been proved wrong at least once so we will take your 'evidence' as what it is, crap you found online that supported your agenda so you ran with it, with no intention of checking if it's true or not. As far as I'm concerned, anything you say is a twisted version of the truth, if you were that concerned about the safety of the vaccine, you wouldn't have let your children have it. | |||
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"Lol you are funny. Would you like to see the evidence? It's right here waiting for you. Unfortunately I can't upload it here.
Given your concern about ADE which is unfounded and based on now out of date material, your lack of understanding of clinical trials or approvals, and more besides, I suspect that you're not entirely clear what "evidence" means and the bar required.
Thanks for your opinion.
I'm done talking to you about this. We'll agree that I'm right and you're wrong then leave it at that.
Stay safe. Stay well. All the best.
You’re wrong #justsaying"He's not just wrong, he's M&S wrong. | |||
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"Lol you are funny. Would you like to see the evidence? It's right here waiting for you. Unfortunately I can't upload it here.
Given your concern about ADE which is unfounded and based on now out of date material, your lack of understanding of clinical trials or approvals, and more besides, I suspect that you're not entirely clear what "evidence" means and the bar required.
Thanks for your opinion.
I'm done talking to you about this. We'll agree that I'm right and you're wrong then leave it at that.
Stay safe. Stay well. All the best.
You’re wrong #justsaying
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Enjoy your little clique.
I'm far too normal to waste anymore energy on most of you.
Maybe try living your life via your own opinion rather than the one you've been convinced is actually your own.
The level of immaturity is absolutely mind boggling.
Frightened of ypur own shadows for goodness sake. Enjoy your vaccines.
I'll stick to the actual statistics to make my mind up and my very own immune system to deal with this one thanks. If my immune system doesn't cope. THAT'S LIFE. You're not escaping the grim reaper no matter how hard you try.
Hopefully before that time comes I'll spend my days in relative health rather than take a chance at spending my days nursing a potential long term disability over something I'm simply not scared of. You know the saying.
Rocky 4. "If he dies, he dies".
Feel free to talk amongst yourselves. Maybe even spend some time ridiculing an alternative opinion if that makes you feel so worthy.
I'm out.
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"Ahh bless you all. My funniest moment was seeing the comment "you believe everything msm tells you" Errmmm
Enjoy your little clique.
I'm far too normal to waste anymore energy on most of you.
Maybe try living your life via your own opinion rather than the one you've been convinced is actually your own.
The level of immaturity is absolutely mind boggling.
Frightened of ypur own shadows for goodness sake. Enjoy your vaccines.
I'll stick to the actual statistics to make my mind up and my very own immune system to deal with this one thanks. If my immune system doesn't cope. THAT'S LIFE. You're not escaping the grim reaper no matter how hard you try.
Hopefully before that time comes I'll spend my days in relative health rather than take a chance at spending my days nursing a potential long term disability over something I'm simply not scared of. You know the saying.
Rocky 4. "If he dies, he dies".
Feel free to talk amongst yourselves. Maybe even spend some time ridiculing an alternative opinion if that makes you feel so worthy.
I'm out.
Bye "... Says the person who said "we'll agree that I'm right" | |||
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"Ahh bless you all. My funniest moment was seeing the comment "you believe everything msm tells you" Errmmm
Enjoy your little clique.
I'm far too normal to waste anymore energy on most of you.
Maybe try living your life via your own opinion rather than the one you've been convinced is actually your own.
The level of immaturity is absolutely mind boggling.
Frightened of ypur own shadows for goodness sake. Enjoy your vaccines.
I'll stick to the actual statistics to make my mind up and my very own immune system to deal with this one thanks. If my immune system doesn't cope. THAT'S LIFE. You're not escaping the grim reaper no matter how hard you try.
Hopefully before that time comes I'll spend my days in relative health rather than take a chance at spending my days nursing a potential long term disability over something I'm simply not scared of. You know the saying.
Rocky 4. "If he dies, he dies".
Feel free to talk amongst yourselves. Maybe even spend some time ridiculing an alternative opinion if that makes you feel so worthy.
I'm out.
Bye "Ah, the good old 'crap, I've been handed my arse on a shiny platter so now I'll pretend I'm better than everyone and attempt to make a graceful exit' strategy. About as graceful as a hippo doing the river dance. | |||
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Go hug someone. I really think you need it......Badly "Weren't you leaving? Twice? | |||
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Go hug someone. I really think you need it......Badly
Weren't you leaving? Twice? "Is it flounce Friday already? ...... | |||
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"Ahh bless you all. My funniest moment was seeing the comment "you believe everything msm tells you" Errmmm
Enjoy your little clique.
I'm far too normal to waste anymore energy on most of you.
Maybe try living your life via your own opinion rather than the one you've been convinced is actually your own.
The level of immaturity is absolutely mind boggling.
Frightened of ypur own shadows for goodness sake. Enjoy your vaccines.
I'll stick to the actual statistics to make my mind up and my very own immune system to deal with this one thanks. If my immune system doesn't cope. THAT'S LIFE. You're not escaping the grim reaper no matter how hard you try.
Hopefully before that time comes I'll spend my days in relative health rather than take a chance at spending my days nursing a potential long term disability over something I'm simply not scared of. You know the saying.
Rocky 4. "If he dies, he dies".
Feel free to talk amongst yourselves. Maybe even spend some time ridiculing an alternative opinion if that makes you feel so worthy.
I'm out.
Bye
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