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By *igh wide and handsome OP   Man
over a year ago

Dagenham

I read a lot of arguments on here for not opening up is every life counts, don't be selfish.

The same people use the opposite arguement with the vaccine. Very low odss, and so on.

What's the difference??

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By *alandNitaCouple
over a year ago

Scunthorpe


"I read a lot of arguments on here for not opening up is every life counts, don't be selfish.

The same people use the opposite arguement with the vaccine. Very low odss, and so on.

What's the difference??"

The main difference is that one side is all about "doing what I want at the expense of others" whilst the other side is "I will sacrifice my own pleasures to help protect others".

Not MUCH difference.

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

Risk assessments aren't typically very accurately done by people. You'll have to form your own opinion on who's following the better science for guidance

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By *igh wide and handsome OP   Man
over a year ago

Dagenham

I get that, but how can you argue every life matters in one instance, and it's very low risk don't worry about the 30 or so dead people in the other??

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

Because one results in much fewer deaths than another?

30 deaths per however many million versus 1 in 100 to 1 in 1000?

Vaccines are also "doing the best we can". Life as normal is just... not doing anything - it's not taking care of people at all.

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By *alandNitaCouple
over a year ago

Scunthorpe


"I get that, but how can you argue every life matters in one instance, and it's very low risk don't worry about the 30 or so dead people in the other??"

I don't think that anyone is arguing that the people who have died of blood-clots don't matter. There is an intensive investigation to establish if there is a link, and measures are in place to reduce the chances of it happening... because even though it's less than 1 in a million, every life does matter and we want to save as many as possible.

Cal

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)


"I get that, but how can you argue every life matters in one instance, and it's very low risk don't worry about the 30 or so dead people in the other??

I don't think that anyone is arguing that the people who have died of blood-clots don't matter. There is an intensive investigation to establish if there is a link, and measures are in place to reduce the chances of it happening... because even though it's less than 1 in a million, every life does matter and we want to save as many as possible.

Cal"

"We want to save as many lives as possible" is really it.

Covid kills between 1 in 1000 and 3 in 100 people.

These vaccines cause these effects in a fraction of that.

Less dead people is good.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Has anyone here read the "risk" leaflet on Paracetamol, Ibuprofen, or aspirin?

Do you refuse to take them because of the risk/side effects..?

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By *igh wide and handsome OP   Man
over a year ago

Dagenham


"Has anyone here read the "risk" leaflet on Paracetamol, Ibuprofen, or aspirin?

Do you refuse to take them because of the risk/side effects..?"

But this thread is nothing to do with the side effects of the vaccine, it's about why people say every life matters when it comes to opening stuff up again and why it's about odds and low risk when the vaccine death's are mentioned

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By *ackformore100Man
over a year ago

Tin town


"Has anyone here read the "risk" leaflet on Paracetamol, Ibuprofen, or aspirin?

Do you refuse to take them because of the risk/side effects..?

But this thread is nothing to do with the side effects of the vaccine, it's about why people say every life matters when it comes to opening stuff up again and why it's about odds and low risk when the vaccine death's are mentioned"

I'm not sure that's what people are saying at all. I think perhaps you have interpreted it that way. It's not one or the other. Both are part of the same continuum, problem and potential solution.

Vaccine is one of 3 tools we have in our toolkit, socially distance, vaccinations and do nothing.

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By *hatawasteMan
over a year ago

stafford


"I read a lot of arguments on here for not opening up is every life counts, don't be selfish.

The same people use the opposite arguement with the vaccine. Very low odss, and so on.

What's the difference??"

Its not really every life matters only to small groups or families.To the rest of us if someone's relative passes away it has no impact on most of us.. Sad yes of course. However, ultimately a statistic. This situation now seems to be really about all data good and bad. It needs to be recorded accurately as possible to aid decision making..in the hope the number of deaths goes down..

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)


"Has anyone here read the "risk" leaflet on Paracetamol, Ibuprofen, or aspirin?

Do you refuse to take them because of the risk/side effects..?

But this thread is nothing to do with the side effects of the vaccine, it's about why people say every life matters when it comes to opening stuff up again and why it's about odds and low risk when the vaccine death's are mentioned"

Because we prevent every death *possible*

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