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Under 30s no longer to be offered Astra Zeneca jab

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

People aged 18-29 will now only be offered either the Pfizer or Moderna (or another alternative) unless the Astra Zeneca is the only one available in their area

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By *litterbabeWoman
over a year ago

hiding from cock pics.

That must be slightly uncomfortable for those who have already had it and are under 30.

I realise the risks are very low anyway.

It would only be vulnerable under 30's who have already had it or those on the front line I guess.

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By *ewcouplemidsCouple
over a year ago

walsall

I'm over 30 but was given the vaccine early due to my medical history of multiple DVTs

And yes I was given the Oxford one but haven't suffered any ill effects from it

As other posts have stated long periods of sitting still for hours such as driving or flights increase our chances of clotting as do many other medications such as the ladies pill

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

It's been halted for that age group due to a "different balance of risk" compared to in older people.

The risk from Covid is a lot lower in younger people hence why the "benefit of the vaccine outweighing the risk from Covid" isn't the same to them as it is to older people who are more likely to be seriously affected by Covid.

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By *oncupiscence73Woman
over a year ago

South


"It's been halted for that age group due to a "different balance of risk" compared to in older people.

The risk from Covid is a lot lower in younger people hence why the "benefit of the vaccine outweighing the risk from Covid" isn't the same to them as it is to older people who are more likely to be seriously affected by Covid. "

This ...... and even so the risks of covid hospitalisation are far higher than the risks of Oxford vaccine even in the younger age group.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

To be honest I don't understand why its only the under 30's.

79 people out of 20 million who have had the Oxford vaccine have developed a rare blood clot and 19 of those have died.

3 of those 19 were under 30 and the rest between 31 and 78.

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By *pursChick aka ShortieWoman
over a year ago

On a mooch


"To be honest I don't understand why its only the under 30's.

79 people out of 20 million who have had the Oxford vaccine have developed a rare blood clot and 19 of those have died.

3 of those 19 were under 30 and the rest between 31 and 78."

In my layman understanding I think it’s all down to the risk of ending up in ICU with covid or serious harm from the vaccine. For that age group the risks are not that far apart, over that having the vaccine outweighs the risk of not having it, catching covid and ending up in ICU

Someone please correct if I’ve understood it wrong

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"To be honest I don't understand why its only the under 30's.

79 people out of 20 million who have had the Oxford vaccine have developed a rare blood clot and 19 of those have died.

3 of those 19 were under 30 and the rest between 31 and 78.

In my layman understanding I think it’s all down to the risk of ending up in ICU with covid or serious harm from the vaccine. For that age group the risks are not that far apart, over that having the vaccine outweighs the risk of not having it, catching covid and ending up in ICU

Someone please correct if I’ve understood it wrong "

Oh actually that makes sense.

Thanks for that.

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By *inky_couple2020Couple
over a year ago

North West


"That must be slightly uncomfortable for those who have already had it and are under 30.

I realise the risks are very low anyway.

It would only be vulnerable under 30's who have already had it or those on the front line I guess."

Apparently the clotting events have happened in a short time period after the vaccines so if someone has had the Oxford-AZ vaccine weeks ago and are fine, then in all likelihood they will remain fine.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"That must be slightly uncomfortable for those who have already had it and are under 30.

I realise the risks are very low anyway.

It would only be vulnerable under 30's who have already had it or those on the front line I guess.

Apparently the clotting events have happened in a short time period after the vaccines so if someone has had the Oxford-AZ vaccine weeks ago and are fine, then in all likelihood they will remain fine. "

yes , even to the extent that if you are under 30 had AZ as jab 1 and are fine you will still get AZ as jab 2 as you are not deemed as high risk

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By *inky_couple2020Couple
over a year ago

North West

I'm jabbing again on Friday with the Oxford-AZ vaccine so awaiting updated instructions...

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham

So the JVCI says it's preferable for this age group to have an alternative jab and that those who have already has one AZ jab should have their second dose.

Note the word preferable. Not absolute.

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By *ovebjsMan
over a year ago

Bristol

Everyone seems to be targeting the AZ vaccine and forgetting that there have been blood clots in people who have had the Pfizer one as well!

Everything has risk of some kind or another, how many women still take the pill everyday without thinking about the 1-1000 chance of Deep vain thrombosis?

Or aspirin wit the chance of possible side effects ?

The chances of a clot from the AZ or any other one is loads less

I have more chance of my pacemaker fucking up than this happening

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

O o O oo

I don't get this, out of 19 people die of clots 3 are under 30 so they stop the jab for that age group.

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

O o O oo


"To be honest I don't understand why its only the under 30's.

79 people out of 20 million who have had the Oxford vaccine have developed a rare blood clot and 19 of those have died.

3 of those 19 were under 30 and the rest between 31 and 78."

This...if it is a problem for under 30's why is it not a problem for the over 30's who died too

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"To be honest I don't understand why its only the under 30's.

79 people out of 20 million who have had the Oxford vaccine have developed a rare blood clot and 19 of those have died.

3 of those 19 were under 30 and the rest between 31 and 78.

This...if it is a problem for under 30's why is it not a problem for the over 30's who died too"

is it possibly a weighing up of risks thing - the number of cases is still very low , its still better odds to have the jab than not and risk getting covid and its complications instead , and presumably we have time to switch supply before we hit the under 30s group without actually delaying anyones jabs leaving the covid risk open longer? whereas if we stopped it for everyone and had to switch supply now we increase covid risk instead of blood clot risk which has higher odds?

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

O o O oo

I get the odds thing about your chances of getting Clots to getting covid, but I don't get the stopping it for one section of people and not the other.

Hancock was saying today it is safe to go get your second dose but as only 5 million have had it up to now how does he know for sure. The rates of clots has doubled in a week after more than 20 million have been vaccinated so who knows if enough data is there yet to say it is safe for a second dose.

For weeks they kept quiet about this and even rubbished other countries for being wary then I really don't think I trust what they say anymore

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By *inky_couple2020Couple
over a year ago

North West


"I don't get this, out of 19 people die of clots 3 are under 30 so they stop the jab for that age group. "

There's an infographic in this article showing the risk-benefit analysis which will form the basis of the recommendation:

BBC News - Covid: Under-30s offered alternative to Oxford-AstraZeneca jab

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-56665517

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By *estivalMan
over a year ago

borehamwood

Well when i eventually get invited i will make my mind up when i get there if its az they offer think i will be declining

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By *olly_chromaticTV/TS
over a year ago

Stockport

What I'd like to see is the statistics on how many people have been hit by a number 9 bus on the way to or from the vax clinic? And how does this correlate with Pfizer or AZ?

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

O o O oo


"What I'd like to see is the statistics on how many people have been hit by a number 9 bus on the way to or from the vax clinic? And how does this correlate with Pfizer or AZ?"

The likes of this never adds to a debate

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

O o O oo


"I don't get this, out of 19 people die of clots 3 are under 30 so they stop the jab for that age group.

There's an infographic in this article showing the risk-benefit analysis which will form the basis of the recommendation:

BBC News - Covid: Under-30s offered alternative to Oxford-AstraZeneca jab

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-56665517"

Thanks, I saw that one, just trying to find more info. I could be misunderstanding the ones I found but it basically says because over 60's are liable to have strokes anyway then those dying of don't really matter as much as the under 30's who don't normally have strokes.

I wonder why a 31 year old is not at risk but a 30 year old is...all of it is puzzling.

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By *olly_chromaticTV/TS
over a year ago

Stockport


"I don't get this, out of 19 people die of clots 3 are under 30 so they stop the jab for that age group.

There's an infographic in this article showing the risk-benefit analysis which will form the basis of the recommendation:

BBC News - Covid: Under-30s offered alternative to Oxford-AstraZeneca jab

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-56665517

Thanks, I saw that one, just trying to find more info. I could be misunderstanding the ones I found but it basically says because over 60's are liable to have strokes anyway then those dying of don't really matter as much as the under 30's who don't normally have strokes.

I wonder why a 31 year old is not at risk but a 30 year old is...all of it is puzzling."

Being serious for once, I think that it's decision making based on very marginal statistics, and balancing tiny risk of one sort against tiny risk of another sort. The data sets are small, but give some indication that there is a correlation one way or the other with age. At one age extreme the clot risk from covid seems to outweigh the clot risk from vaccine, at the other age extreme vice versa. It's probably near enough balanced from age 20 to 40, but the health politics requires somebody to give a clear black and white answer to a situation that is infinitesimal shading from grey to slightly darker grey.

In any case, risk of death from all other causes combined (the hypothetical number 9, plus falling down stairs, plus every other accidental and natural cause, including death from other symptoms of covid) will outweigh the risk from the vaccine.

So yes, current data sets may indicate that one type of vaccine could be preferable to another for particular age groups (although I would not be surprised to see that judgement change over coming weeks and months as more studies of different vaccines continue), but all indications so far are that overall any vaccine is better than no vaccine.

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