FabSwingers.com forum: Don't meet indoors

By *allySlinky OP Woman
over a year ago

Leeds

Boris said today that two vaccinated people shouldn't meet indoors as the vaccine isn't 100% effective. So how can we ever get back to normal socialising ?

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

I expect that the advice will change as the disease burden and knowledge base changes.

No vaccine is 100% effective.

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By *hrista BellendWoman
over a year ago

surrounded by twinkly lights

He's trying to slow us down, we won't know if and how high we are going to spike yet from the rule of 6, let alone all the mixing this weekend, lots of people are having family contact for easter

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By *ittleMissCaliWoman
over a year ago

all loved up

It's to encourage us to take it slow.

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"It's to encourage us to take it slow. "

This too.

I note that the CDC has changed advice re fully vaccinated people in the US.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It's to encourage us to take it slow.

This too.

I note that the CDC has changed advice re fully vaccinated people in the US."

The CDC website says vaccination stops people getting infected.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

He's keeping the message simple for people who love to twist the rules.

Don't. Meet. Indoors.

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By *D835Man
over a year ago

London

"Boris said today that two vaccinated people shouldn't meet indoors as the vaccine isn't 100% effective. So how can we ever get back to normal socialising ?"

Well he didn't say it will never happen, more like we can't do so *yet*

We will eventually be able to meet indoors with unlimited number of people when all social restrictions are lifted after June 17.

Even though we are doing well with the vaccine rollout at the moment, so far, only 4.5 million adults have had *both* doses of the vaccine. The rest have had only one dose or nothing at all.

So if we allow too much mixing indoors at this stage, it will cause infections to soar leading to an increase in hospitalisations.

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"It's to encourage us to take it slow.

This too.

I note that the CDC has changed advice re fully vaccinated people in the US.

The CDC website says vaccination stops people getting infected.

There is some evidence to suggest that in some vaccines. But not others. (we also know that polio vaccination doesn't prevent infection - and yet we're approaching eradication)

It's a challenging choice, what to tell the public and why. Different public health bodies draw different lines for different reasons.

I take the message, it's not safe to do so given the current position of the UK.

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"He's keeping the message simple for people who love to twist the rules.

Don't. Meet. Indoors."

Yup.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Having just driven through the local town of Whitstable i am more concerned with the fact that there were at least 100 or so people crammed together outside a kebab shop and a coffee shop (not a mask in sight) than a couple of people indoors.

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By *allySlinky OP Woman
over a year ago

Leeds

Why are the people of Whitstable eating kebabs and not their local oysters ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Why are the people of Whitstable eating kebabs and not their local oysters ?"

They were DFL's and other trendies not locals.

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By *mmixtapeCouple
over a year ago

middle earth

Way better than a "just go for it message" I don't want another lockdown lol

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By *rman82Man
over a year ago

Manchester

"Way better than a "just go for it message" I don't want another lockdown lol"

It doesn’t matter whether you do or you don’t, your actions won’t control whether there is another lockdown or not. The government like to guilt us into thinking that is the case but, whilst parliament is acting the way it is, they can do as they please.

Lockdown, no lockdown the virus will spread, luckily it’s got a 99.8% survival rate so I’d live your life to the full...there will only ever be more and more restrictions around the corner. Party Hard!

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

Easter gives people lots more free time, so it's an ideal time to remind people of the message

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By *arkus1812Man
over a year ago

Lifes departure lounge NN9 Northamptonshire East not West MidlandsMidlands

During the last couple of weeks I have had Heating engineer, Plumber and Electrician working in my house but I am unable to allow to have my Sister visit me despite her having had both vaccinations and then a negative test 3 days ago.

Looking at the number of cars parked in my Close today I would appear that almost every house had visitors.

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"During the last couple of weeks I have had Heating engineer, Plumber and Electrician working in my house but I am unable to allow to have my Sister visit me despite her having had both vaccinations and then a negative test 3 days ago.

Looking at the number of cars parked in my Close today I would appear that almost every house had visitors."

It's frustrating, but it's important to keep doing the right thing

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By *ad NannaWoman
over a year ago

East London

Once they have a better understanding of how the virus mutates and how our hospitals will cope, then I suspect they might relax the rules.

If everyone went back to normal all at the same time we could have people dying unnecessarily.

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By *inky_couple2020Couple
over a year ago

North West

Looking at the number of cars parked in my Close today I would appear that almost every house had visitors."

I'm assuming that you could move to a different room while the tradespeople were working? That's what the guidance is... One assumes you'd be sitting in the same room as your sister if she visits? The issue with indoors is that people think it's easy to stay distanced but it's not, people get closer, hug, kiss etc and that's how it spreads.

However, if you or your sister are single people, you could form a social bubble and visit each other exclusively.

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By *r. JoystickMan
over a year ago

London

It's pretty simple. The more and more people who get vaccinated, the lesser the risk for everybody in that network of interactions.

This will be around for years and one say we'll have to treat it like the flu (etc.)

We've done what, 50-60% of the country so far? A month or so on that number will be up even further and the effect that has on transmission (well less so that, but more so a massively adverse effect) is exponential.

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"It's pretty simple. The more and more people who get vaccinated, the lesser the risk for everybody in that network of interactions.

This will be around for years and one say we'll have to treat it like the flu (etc.)

Less, because all approved jabs are two doses.

But otherwise yes

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

So if we have the two jabs we can't meet others, we still have to wear masks, we still have to distance, we are not immune and it doesn't stop us passing it on. So why are we having a jab for something with a 99.8% recovery rate? It's a bit of a mystery to us. Can somebody please shed some light on this illogical situation. X

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

I'm afraid you've got some out of date and some misinformation all mashed up in there, no wonder it looks illogical.

It's ok.

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By *r. JoystickMan
over a year ago

London

Official Government website is a good place to start.

Don't listen to the politicians as you've got some numpties giving out wrong advice even now, but take a read into transmission rates, the effect of dosing out the entire population (not simply individuals).

Fab isn't a great place for actual info on this!

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By *icolerobbieCouple
over a year ago

walsall

So what’s the point of vaccination passports if no two vaccinated people can meet indoors?

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By *oncupiscence73Woman
over a year ago

South

"So what’s the point of vaccination passports if no two vaccinated people can meet indoors? "

I would think as very few people have had both vaccines and your not fully protected

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By *r. JoystickMan
over a year ago

London

"So what’s the point of vaccination passports if no two vaccinated people can meet indoors? "

I'm against vaccination passports personally. It's a slippery slope.

The indoor rule meet should not be seen on an individual by individual basis. It should be viewed in respect to the percentage of the population with two jabs.

In effect, this is what the 'roadmap' per se echos. The more vaccinated, the safer it generally is to meet people to the capacities we did before.

You -have- to make some arbitrary rules because of you don't it's a free for all (not sure why people done get this, too much of a egocentric view).

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By *ittleMissCaliWoman
over a year ago

all loved up

"So if we have the two jabs we can't meet others, we still have to wear masks, we still have to distance, we are not immune and it doesn't stop us passing it on. So why are we having a jab for something with a 99.8% recovery rate? It's a bit of a mystery to us. Can somebody please shed some light on this illogical situation. X"
firstly it does help stop us catching it... it also reduces the possibility of passing it on if you happen to catch it quite considerably from the research coming out now

The reason why we still have to wear a mask.. make spade and abide by social distancing is that not everyone has had even 1 dose yet x

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By *r. JoystickMan
over a year ago

London

"The reason why we still have to wear a mask.. make spade and abide by social distancing is that not everyone has had even 1 dose yet x"

Bingo! Think of us 20-odd year old still waiting patiently...

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By *allySlinky OP Woman
over a year ago

Leeds

"So what’s the point of vaccination passports if no two vaccinated people can meet indoors? "

Exactly !

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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago

upton wirral

"Boris said today that two vaccinated people shouldn't meet indoors as the vaccine isn't 100% effective. So how can we ever get back to normal socialising ?"
Well when I have had to will meet people who have had one vaccination

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By *nottygirlWoman
over a year ago

Glasgowshire

I'm thinking it means because one vaccination isn't protective, but when we've had both we should be able to meet others indoors? I'm getting my 1st today, I hope it's not Pfizer.

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By *allySlinky OP Woman
over a year ago

Leeds

I'm pleased mine was Pfizer

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By *nottygirlWoman
over a year ago

Glasgowshire

I've heard very bad reports about Pfizer, after the 2nd one. Makes me feel better if there are good reports to be heard too.

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By *allySlinky OP Woman
over a year ago

Leeds

All the over 80s I know have had both doses of Pfizer and none had any side effects whatsoever

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By *nottygirlWoman
over a year ago

Glasgowshire

That's good to hear, gives me confidence

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By *olly_chromaticTV/TS
over a year ago

Stockport

"So what’s the point of vaccination passports if no two vaccinated people can meet indoors? "

By the time any form of vaccination passport is actually implemented, there will be a point to it. Although if it takes as long to do passports as it did to do the test & trace app, it might well have gone past the moment when they could be of any use at all.

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By *inky_couple2020Couple
over a year ago

North West

"All the over 80s I know have had both doses of Pfizer and none had any side effects whatsoever"

My Dad had zero side effects. It could mean he has zero immune response too, though! He seems fine for now and that's all we can do.

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By *nnie2009Couple
over a year ago

Blackpool

"I'm pleased mine was Pfizer"
me too x

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By *arkus1812Man
over a year ago

Lifes departure lounge NN9 Northamptonshire East not West MidlandsMidlands

"All the over 80s I know have had both doses of Pfizer and none had any side effects whatsoever"

I too am over 80 and have had two Pfizer jabs 12 weeks apart, I have had no after effects whatsoever.

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By *ornyQueerWoman
over a year ago

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I've met my close fwb we both had vaccines. It's seriously bad for mental health to be alone too much. I think bubbles are still allowed? Some people live alone like me.

If we don't all get vaccinated and the government allow us out more people will start dying from mental health than covid..

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