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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

Must give contact details or sign in with track and trace when going into a pub/restaurant when they reopen.. Instead of 1 person per group as previous.

Personally i think its good idea..

And go....

Sits back with popcorn ready..

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By *ools and the brainCouple
over a year ago

couple, us we him her.


"Must give contact details or sign in with track and trace when going into a pub/restaurant when they reopen.. Instead of 1 person per group as previous.

Personally i think its good idea..

And go....

Sits back with popcorn ready.. "

Yes why not I have to give my details of every site I visit with work.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Must give contact details or sign in with track and trace when going into a pub/restaurant when they reopen.. Instead of 1 person per group as previous.

Personally i think its good idea..

And go....

Sits back with popcorn ready.. "

No bothered either way about doing it.....however as long as it's done securely.

Last year I was in a restaurant with my son and they were just passing a book and pen round the restaurant for people to write their details in. Meaning, not only were people handling a book and pen that could have been germ ridden, our details were there for all to see.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Its only if you don't live in the same household.

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By *gent CoulsonMan
over a year ago

Secret hideaway in the pennines


"Must give contact details or sign in with track and trace when going into a pub/restaurant when they reopen.. Instead of 1 person per group as previous.

Personally i think its good idea..

And go....

Sits back with popcorn ready.. "
We operated that way from july, those that didn't have the app were manually recored

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Must give contact details or sign in with track and trace when going into a pub/restaurant when they reopen.. Instead of 1 person per group as previous.

Personally i think its good idea..

And go....

Sits back with popcorn ready.. We operated that way from july, those that didn't have the app were manually recored"

Fair play. A company ahead of the times. I commend you Sir.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Must give contact details or sign in with track and trace when going into a pub/restaurant when they reopen.. Instead of 1 person per group as previous.

Personally i think its good idea..

And go....

Sits back with popcorn ready.. "

Sounds like u hoping for some drama on here? We had to do this anyway and been loads of threads about it..yawn NEXT

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By *rMrs84Couple
over a year ago

Doncaster


"Must give contact details or sign in with track and trace when going into a pub/restaurant when they reopen.. Instead of 1 person per group as previous.

Personally i think its good idea..

And go....

Sits back with popcorn ready.. We operated that way from july, those that didn't have the app were manually recored"
to be honest we thought it was this way when my friend and I went out in September time.

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By *ackandtheunicornCouple
over a year ago

liverpool

Feel like this will cause more problems than it saves. Last time they were doing this everyone was using the same filthy pen and notebook.

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

I've visited places with sterilised pens, returned after single use, if people had no pen to use. I think it's probably good to get the exact details of each customer, rather than 1 group member as probably more than 1 household will meet out together, such as extended family members.

We already know that only a fraction of infections are reported at present, for many reasons, including people not being able to afford to take time off work.

If we are happy with an overall process and system that doesn't work very well, then just carrying on more or less as we are will hit it. It's a bit pathetic though - we've spent £37 billions on just track and trace, so we ought to have much, much higher standards. Or we could stop pretending.

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By *eryBigGirlWoman
over a year ago

East Yorkshire

Considering only 2 households can meet up with 6 as a maximum it’s no real hardship to record each household!!

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By *allySlinkyWoman
over a year ago

Leeds


"Considering only 2 households can meet up with 6 as a maximum it’s no real hardship to record each household!!"

Six individuals can meet up. Two households bigger than six can meet up.

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)


"I've visited places with sterilised pens, returned after single use, if people had no pen to use. I think it's probably good to get the exact details of each customer, rather than 1 group member as probably more than 1 household will meet out together, such as extended family members.

We already know that only a fraction of infections are reported at present, for many reasons, including people not being able to afford to take time off work.

If we are happy with an overall process and system that doesn't work very well, then just carrying on more or less as we are will hit it. It's a bit pathetic though - we've spent £37 billions on just track and trace, so we ought to have much, much higher standards. Or we could stop pretending. "

Yes, I've seen sterilised pens and strips of paper stored in a container for the day

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By *icecouple561Couple
Forum Mod
over a year ago

East Sussex

I bet there'll be a lot of Mr M Mouse with phone number 12345.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I bet there'll be a lot of Mr M Mouse with phone number 12345. "

This ^

The ones that don’t want to give correct details won’t and some places will just accept ‘we live together’.

Iv been to several places and they have never asked for details or just made me write on a scrap of paper.

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By *riar BelisseWoman
over a year ago

Delightful Bliss

Every business will have a track and trace QR code so you can "check In" like the ones we have already in the places already open, there are visible posters on the supermarkets and takeaway windows

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"I bet there'll be a lot of Mr M Mouse with phone number 12345.

This ^

The ones that don’t want to give correct details won’t and some places will just accept ‘we live together’.

Iv been to several places and they have never asked for details or just made me write on a scrap of paper.

"

Should.and could these places be open to being fined then fornot doing this properly.

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By *ackformore100Man
over a year ago

Tin town


"Every business will have a track and trace QR code so you can "check In" like the ones we have already in the places already open, there are visible posters on the supermarkets and takeaway windows"

Not hard is it?

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By *ngel696969Woman
over a year ago

Farnworth

People can give their names and addresses and phone numbers which were never checked and confirmed previously so you have to believe what they say.

The 'record' keeping must not be seen by a customer as in passing a book or piece of paper around as it's a breach of the data protection act.

The QR code (for those with smart phones), can be scanned as an alternative as previously and on the phone, previously, it said on the phone the place you'd scanned in to. There was a choice to say yes or no. If you pressed no, who is to know?

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By *ackformore100Man
over a year ago

Tin town

Presumably people are going to these places to spend money which will most of the time be credit card or apple pay or similar... So "they" will have your details one way of the other.... That and the 10 cc TV cameras...

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)


"I bet there'll be a lot of Mr M Mouse with phone number 12345. "

If people really love lockdown, reduced NHS services, and crippling the economy, they'll carry on with this nonsense.

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By *riar BelisseWoman
over a year ago

Delightful Bliss


"People can give their names and addresses and phone numbers which were never checked and confirmed previously so you have to believe what they say.

The 'record' keeping must not be seen by a customer as in passing a book or piece of paper around as it's a breach of the data protection act.

The QR code (for those with smart phones), can be scanned as an alternative as previously and on the phone, previously, it said on the phone the place you'd scanned in to. There was a choice to say yes or no. If you pressed no, who is to know? "

When we went to pizza hut last year they refused entry until we had checked In and we had to show them the phone to say we had done it

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

We saw similar books,in bars/restaurants during the last easing of restrictions.

Personally I was amazed at the amount of Disney characters and super heroes that lived near me

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By *ngel696969Woman
over a year ago

Farnworth


"Presumably people are going to these places to spend money which will most of the time be credit card or apple pay or similar... So "they" will have your details one way of the other.... That and the 10 cc TV cameras..."

Lots of places cash only and it's not up to the businesses to police their customers plus it would take a court order to view and cctv doesn't say who you are, just that you've been there.

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By *ngel696969Woman
over a year ago

Farnworth


"People can give their names and addresses and phone numbers which were never checked and confirmed previously so you have to believe what they say.

The 'record' keeping must not be seen by a customer as in passing a book or piece of paper around as it's a breach of the data protection act.

The QR code (for those with smart phones), can be scanned as an alternative as previously and on the phone, previously, it said on the phone the place you'd scanned in to. There was a choice to say yes or no. If you pressed no, who is to know?

When we went to pizza hut last year they refused entry until we had checked In and we had to show them the phone to say we had done it"

Fair enough but not all places do

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By *ackformore100Man
over a year ago

Tin town


"People can give their names and addresses and phone numbers which were never checked and confirmed previously so you have to believe what they say.

The 'record' keeping must not be seen by a customer as in passing a book or piece of paper around as it's a breach of the data protection act.

The QR code (for those with smart phones), can be scanned as an alternative as previously and on the phone, previously, it said on the phone the place you'd scanned in to. There was a choice to say yes or no. If you pressed no, who is to know?

When we went to pizza hut last year they refused entry until we had checked In and we had to show them the phone to say we had done it"

I can hear the cries of freedom already...

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By *ackformore100Man
over a year ago

Tin town


"Presumably people are going to these places to spend money which will most of the time be credit card or apple pay or similar... So "they" will have your details one way of the other.... That and the 10 cc TV cameras...

Lots of places cash only and it's not up to the businesses to police their customers plus it would take a court order to view and cctv doesn't say who you are, just that you've been there. "

The cctv was tongue in cheek. But actually... It is the licensees responsibility to manage their customers. Its usually in the conditions of the license being granted. As for cash only? Certainly not where I've been. And that was even pre covid. Some still pay cash (me) and sometimes I'm told.... Card only sir. Guess we all have different experiences.

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)


"People can give their names and addresses and phone numbers which were never checked and confirmed previously so you have to believe what they say.

The 'record' keeping must not be seen by a customer as in passing a book or piece of paper around as it's a breach of the data protection act.

The QR code (for those with smart phones), can be scanned as an alternative as previously and on the phone, previously, it said on the phone the place you'd scanned in to. There was a choice to say yes or no. If you pressed no, who is to know?

When we went to pizza hut last year they refused entry until we had checked In and we had to show them the phone to say we had done it

I can hear the cries of freedom already...

"

With great freedom comes great responsibility

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I bet there'll be a lot of Mr M Mouse with phone number 12345.

This ^

The ones that don’t want to give correct details won’t and some places will just accept ‘we live together’.

Iv been to several places and they have never asked for details or just made me write on a scrap of paper.

"

I think pubs can be fined if they don't do this...so it will be on the pubs best interests to not allow people like that in...let an idiot in to spend £20 or risk £1000 fine....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I dont have a problem with this however it has to be remembered that there are a lot of people, particularly the elderly who do still not have a smart phone (like my dad) and who would struggle with using one (like my dad).

It could of course force them into the tech age.

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)


"I dont have a problem with this however it has to be remembered that there are a lot of people, particularly the elderly who do still not have a smart phone (like my dad) and who would struggle with using one (like my dad).

It could of course force them into the tech age."

I never downloaded the app. Pen and paper remained an option throughout, last year.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I welcome it, it is only feared by those with something to hide or the overly liberal mob who think it encroaches into our life. We all are already under scrutiny from all sorts of organisation,everyone we Google something it is recorded on our digital profile. So I welcome another piece of digital compliance in our day to day life it it goes a long way to keep everyone safer.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

And I would include a Covid vaccine passport in this

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)


"And I would include a Covid vaccine passport in this"

I have concerns about the use of our data, but have no problem in principle with its use for public health.

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By *ackformore100Man
over a year ago

Tin town


"I dont have a problem with this however it has to be remembered that there are a lot of people, particularly the elderly who do still not have a smart phone (like my dad) and who would struggle with using one (like my dad).

It could of course force them into the tech age."

That is interesting and needs to be catered for, but also edge cases should not stop the majority from being asked to do something very very simple. Now... What benefit from it? I'm dubious... But if it helps getting things going again for a while... Its worth it. Is it something we want to do long term? Maybe not but let's do what we need to, to get moving again.

In the pub going demographic... There is a very very low percentage who do not have a mobile phone. And just like your dad, they will have a work around I'm sure.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

To start people can only sit outside,on every table is a pen and paper,its table service only,so while someone is getting your drinks you fill in everyone's name on that table,then when that group leaves a new pen and paper is placed down....and remember you can't go in pub to use toilets

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By *ngel696969Woman
over a year ago

Farnworth


"Presumably people are going to these places to spend money which will most of the time be credit card or apple pay or similar... So "they" will have your details one way of the other.... That and the 10 cc TV cameras...

Lots of places cash only and it's not up to the businesses to police their customers plus it would take a court order to view and cctv doesn't say who you are, just that you've been there.

The cctv was tongue in cheek. But actually... It is the licensees responsibility to manage their customers. Its usually in the conditions of the license being granted. As for cash only? Certainly not where I've been. And that was even pre covid. Some still pay cash (me) and sometimes I'm told.... Card only sir. Guess we all have different experiences. "

Yes manage their business but not to police it. Some go and don't have their phone and they can't insist you have it and if they give a name and address, it's not up to the licencee to make sure it's valid and correct.

Lots of pubs and clubs don't take cards because of the costs. Not been to anywhere that insists on card only.

However, even if they did pay by card, there are no addresses on a card.

How's that going to work. Bring a utility bill or council bill because not everyone drives, pays utility bills or council tax.

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By *allySlinkyWoman
over a year ago

Leeds


"remember you can't go in pub to use toilets "

Wetherspoons have said people will be allowed inside to use the toilets

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By *ngel696969Woman
over a year ago

Farnworth


"remember you can't go in pub to use toilets

Wetherspoons have said people will be allowed inside to use the toilets"

Whoopee

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

After the last time I gave track and trace my number and they sold it to sales teams I’ll be giving a fake number this time

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By *iker boy 69Man
over a year ago

midlands


"Must give contact details or sign in with track and trace when going into a pub/restaurant when they reopen.. Instead of 1 person per group as previous.

Personally i think its good idea..

And go....

Sits back with popcorn ready.. "

If thats what you want, then surely signing into every shop you visit, or hairdressers, and cafe should be the same.

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By *ob198XaMan
over a year ago

teleford

When the pubs open which will be safest means to get home, car sharing or drink driving?

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By *ackformore100Man
over a year ago

Tin town


"When the pubs open which will be safest means to get home, car sharing or drink driving? "

Walking buddy... Do the right thing!

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By *ob198XaMan
over a year ago

teleford


"When the pubs open which will be safest means to get home, car sharing or drink driving?

Walking buddy... Do the right thing! "

It’s at least 3 miles to a pub, which is at least 6 miles back home

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"After the last time I gave track and trace my number and they sold it to sales teams I’ll be giving a fake number this time"

You gave your mumber the the NHS.track and trace or you put your number on paper in a pub or restaurant?

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By *elnkazCouple
over a year ago

cheshire

But they dont ask for detail in the free for all supermarkets .k

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)


"But they dont ask for detail in the free for all supermarkets .k"

So?

No one is proposing passports or restrictions for accessing supermarkets.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"But they dont ask for detail in the free for all supermarkets .k"

You dont sit around withc5 or 6 mates getting pissed i supermarket. You should be wearing mask as you shop.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"But they dont ask for detail in the free for all supermarkets .k"

People have to buy food, people do not have to go to the pub.

Also you should be keeping your distance, Shopping alone and if you are not exempt wearing a face covering in a supermarket.

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By *ornucopiaMan
over a year ago

Bexley

It sounds like an excellent get out for people who don't like pubs.

I knew something good would come out of this pandemic!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I bet there'll be a lot of Mr M Mouse with phone number 12345. "

Seriously we had everything last year, Had atleast one Boris Johnson every day!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The easier and most efficient way of monitoring people movement will be via an app.

Pubs/ restaurants will not want to faff spending time talking people’s details. People will probably just use the premises WiFi to log their presence.

Yes there will be human rights issues but it’s what’s being used abroad already eg Dubai.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"The easier and most efficient way of monitoring people movement will be via an app.

Pubs/ restaurants will not want to faff spending time talking people’s details. People will probably just use the premises WiFi to log their presence.

Yes there will be human rights issues but it’s what’s being used abroad already eg Dubai."

It is what is used in most Asian countries and that is why they have dealt with it better than us. I don't have a problem with my data being used as long as it is being used for public health and it's a small price to pay having an app on your phone or filling out a card

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central


"The easier and most efficient way of monitoring people movement will be via an app.

Pubs/ restaurants will not want to faff spending time talking people’s details. People will probably just use the premises WiFi to log their presence.

Yes there will be human rights issues but it’s what’s being used abroad already eg Dubai."

Same old, same old. Who is new that's monitoring you? The state could track much of what people do already - and could get everything on individuals of interest - so using an existing app to check in, that stores data locally - isn't much different. For groups it may just be 1 person checking in. For people filling in paper slips, the venue will recycle them after a couple of weeks. People with tech have their data hoovered up and conglomerated, bought and sold, nonstop. A tiny bit of data on a venue visit is miniscule by comparison. I'm very much against the huge volumes of private citizen data collection but I think this option of using NHS vaccine confirmation to allow entry, isn't really adding much data to the state, for example, above and beyond what it can get via GPS, card transactions etc.

As it's individuals who get and spread infections, I'd have individuals checking in, not a notional group head. Adults should be responsible for themselves and their own behaviour only.

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