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By *ophieslut OP   TV/TS
over a year ago

Central

Out of the vaccines we're using, the Oxford AstraZeneca has struggled more than the others? It's being produced and sold at cost and has been most caught up with supply disputes between the EU and the UK. Has it been an unfortunate victim of its success, especially as it's cheap? Obviously due its price, it's very attractive for ordering high volumes of stock too. A political football is often sought too, when your own house isn't in top form.

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By *atEvolutionCouple
over a year ago

atlantisEVOLUTION Swingers Club. Stoke

Europe has made it a political football.

There is a lot more at play here than just production and supply.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The AZ vaccine is importantly the easier of the two to store and transport, which is going to make it the most desirable.

I have to admit I was (and still am) against Brexit, but the EU have got their vaccine roll out totally wrong.

They didn't pre order quickly enough

They then refused to vaccinate over 50's with AZ

They then suspended using AZ at all

Then decided it could only be given to over 50's.

Then having realised they've dropped the biggest bo**ock of all time, they scramble to blame everyone but themselves.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Anyone think that Having a national heath service with its structure, has contributed to making distribution easier?

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By *icentiousCouple
over a year ago

Up on them there hills


"Europe has made it a political football.

There is a lot more at play here than just production and supply.

"

Agreed, survival may be one of then.

As many Europeans watch loved ones die, I wonder how many are thinking, “is European bureaucracy the way?”

“Look at the UK”.

A few people, in Europe appear to have the need for political lives to survive over the lives of actual people they represent.

Well from one of my perspectives.

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By *udistcpl1Couple
over a year ago

Wirral

Both jabbed here with AZ vaccine(based on chimp virus of course). Don't know about politics and contracts etc but them bananas have started to taste better.

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By *lansmanMan
over a year ago

Sheffield


"Europe has made it a political football.

There is a lot more at play here than just production and supply.

Agreed, survival may be one of then.

As many Europeans watch loved ones die, I wonder how many are thinking, “is European bureaucracy the way?”

“Look at the UK”.

A few people, in Europe appear to have the need for political lives to survive over the lives of actual people they represent.

Well from one of my perspectives."

I believe the EU has to keep the pressure on the UK . It has to prove brexit is a failure as its own survival depends on it. Im not saying brexit is perhaps the right way but just from an EU perspective.

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By *inky_couple2020Couple
over a year ago

North West

I've just spent a four hour shift jabbing people with the Oxford-AZ vaccine in a very multi cultural part of the NW. I'd say about 2/3 of the folks who came today were in the "harder to reach" ethnic minority groups. Many had poor English and brought family/friends to translate. Basically, you'd expect the most hesitancy. Out of maybe 40 odd people who came to my cubicle, only one declined the vaccine at all. He asked for the Pfizer-BioNTech (which isn't available at that centre), took the info leaflet and said he'd consider coming back. Maybe 3 or 4 people asked about what's been in the news but the overwhelming majority were quick to say yes after we highlighted it was the Oxford-AZ one. We had a rush of people after Friday prayers in the adjacent mosque. Apparently the Imam's sermon was about the safety of the vaccines and the importance of having it for the good of everyone. Two gents asked to photograph or video the actual vaccine being given so they could share to their friends/family (yes please - no face though!) It was really heartening to spend the day doing it (hoping to do lots more!)

So, despite the issues, despite greater hesitancy in certain communities, my experience today suggested that these issues that have come up with Oxford-AZ can be overcome, especially if community elders/leaders get on board.

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By *iamondCougarWoman
over a year ago

Norfuck! / Lincolnshire


"The AZ vaccine is importantly the easier of the two to store and transport, which is going to make it the most desirable.

I have to admit I was (and still am) against Brexit, but the EU have got their vaccine roll out totally wrong.

They didn't pre order quickly enough

They then refused to vaccinate over 50's with AZ

They then suspended using AZ at all

Then decided it could only be given to over 50's.

Then having realised they've dropped the biggest bo**ock of all time, they scramble to blame everyone but themselves."

It’s shocking behaviour from the EU and whilst the UK is the envy of the world at present perhaps Europe needs to kick its sorry arse into gear and stop bleating it’s AZ fault! Smacks of political bullying to me

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By *inky_CarpenterMan
over a year ago

Portsmouth

AZ may have developed a really good vaccine in an incredibly short time span with their Oxford partners.... But they really shot themselves in the foot with PR and Marketing. All the own goals may even have actually been funny if it wasn't for the stakes involved!

The incompetence of their management just handed out free ammunition to anti Vaxers and corrupt politicians! And ultimately some innocent people will die unnecessarily because of their incompetent communication!

The whole thing has made me furious!

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By *un guy 2020Man
over a year ago

near you

I am glad wee got out of EU or our vaccinations would be well behind by these eurocrat lunatics Rule Britannia ps got astra Zenica jag today

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By *inky_couple2020Couple
over a year ago

North West

It's also worth pointing out AZ have never produced a vaccine before, so they had to start from scratch with a vaccine manufacturing facility. It's certainly an interesting choice for a vaccine partner anyway. I've worked for them in the past but on their anti cancer drug Zoladex mainly.

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By *ackformore100Man
over a year ago

Tin town


"I've just spent a four hour shift jabbing people with the Oxford-AZ vaccine in a very multi cultural part of the NW. I'd say about 2/3 of the folks who came today were in the "harder to reach" ethnic minority groups. Many had poor English and brought family/friends to translate. Basically, you'd expect the most hesitancy. Out of maybe 40 odd people who came to my cubicle, only one declined the vaccine at all. He asked for the Pfizer-BioNTech (which isn't available at that centre), took the info leaflet and said he'd consider coming back. Maybe 3 or 4 people asked about what's been in the news but the overwhelming majority were quick to say yes after we highlighted it was the Oxford-AZ one. We had a rush of people after Friday prayers in the adjacent mosque. Apparently the Imam's sermon was about the safety of the vaccines and the importance of having it for the good of everyone. Two gents asked to photograph or video the actual vaccine being given so they could share to their friends/family (yes please - no face though!) It was really heartening to spend the day doing it (hoping to do lots more!)

So, despite the issues, despite greater hesitancy in certain communities, my experience today suggested that these issues that have come up with Oxford-AZ can be overcome, especially if community elders/leaders get on board. "

Good work!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I am glad wee got out of EU or our vaccinations would be well behind by these eurocrat lunatics Rule Britannia ps got astra Zenica jag today "

Congrats on the jab

I honestly don't think being in or out of the EU would have had any effect on our vaccine role out.

The member states have had individual choice all the way through as to their individual roll out. If we'd still been in, I'm pretty sure everything we've done from pre-order through to roll out would have still been done.

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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago

upton wirral


"Out of the vaccines we're using, the Oxford AstraZeneca has struggled more than the others? It's being produced and sold at cost and has been most caught up with supply disputes between the EU and the UK. Has it been an unfortunate victim of its success, especially as it's cheap? Obviously due its price, it's very attractive for ordering high volumes of stock too. A political football is often sought too, when your own house isn't in top form. "
Basically yes to this Europe is acted as Europe does.They only believe in free and fair trade between themselves not the rest of the world

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By *olly_chromaticTV/TS
over a year ago

Stockport


"I've just spent a four hour shift jabbing people with the Oxford-AZ vaccine in a very multi cultural part of the NW. I'd say about 2/3 of the folks who came today were in the "harder to reach" ethnic minority groups. Many had poor English and brought family/friends to translate. Basically, you'd expect the most hesitancy. Out of maybe 40 odd people who came to my cubicle, only one declined the vaccine at all. He asked for the Pfizer-BioNTech (which isn't available at that centre), took the info leaflet and said he'd consider coming back. Maybe 3 or 4 people asked about what's been in the news but the overwhelming majority were quick to say yes after we highlighted it was the Oxford-AZ one. We had a rush of people after Friday prayers in the adjacent mosque. Apparently the Imam's sermon was about the safety of the vaccines and the importance of having it for the good of everyone. Two gents asked to photograph or video the actual vaccine being given so they could share to their friends/family (yes please - no face though!) It was really heartening to spend the day doing it (hoping to do lots more!)

So, despite the issues, despite greater hesitancy in certain communities, my experience today suggested that these issues that have come up with Oxford-AZ can be overcome, especially if community elders/leaders get on board. "

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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago

near ipswich

France have a particular axe to grind as they believed in their own research and production which turned out to be an epic fail and with most of their eggs in that basket decided to turn on AZ to distract from the fact.

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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago

upton wirral


"I've just spent a four hour shift jabbing people with the Oxford-AZ vaccine in a very multi cultural part of the NW. I'd say about 2/3 of the folks who came today were in the "harder to reach" ethnic minority groups. Many had poor English and brought family/friends to translate. Basically, you'd expect the most hesitancy. Out of maybe 40 odd people who came to my cubicle, only one declined the vaccine at all. He asked for the Pfizer-BioNTech (which isn't available at that centre), took the info leaflet and said he'd consider coming back. Maybe 3 or 4 people asked about what's been in the news but the overwhelming majority were quick to say yes after we highlighted it was the Oxford-AZ one. We had a rush of people after Friday prayers in the adjacent mosque. Apparently the Imam's sermon was about the safety of the vaccines and the importance of having it for the good of everyone. Two gents asked to photograph or video the actual vaccine being given so they could share to their friends/family (yes please - no face though!) It was really heartening to spend the day doing it (hoping to do lots more!)

So, despite the issues, despite greater hesitancy in certain communities, my experience today suggested that these issues that have come up with Oxford-AZ can be overcome, especially if community elders/leaders get on board.

"
Great to read very uplifting

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By *avenTinaCouple
over a year ago

Southport


"The AZ vaccine is importantly the easier of the two to store and transport, which is going to make it the most desirable.

I have to admit I was (and still am) against Brexit, but the EU have got their vaccine roll out totally wrong.

They didn't pre order quickly enough

They then refused to vaccinate over 50's with AZ

They then suspended using AZ at all

Then decided it could only be given to over 50's.

Then having realised they've dropped the biggest bo**ock of all time, they scramble to blame everyone but themselves."
and you still think we should of remained? The last few months have just confirmed we made the right decision to leave

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I've just spent a four hour shift jabbing people with the Oxford-AZ vaccine in a very multi cultural part of the NW. I'd say about 2/3 of the folks who came today were in the "harder to reach" ethnic minority groups. Many had poor English and brought family/friends to translate. Basically, you'd expect the most hesitancy. Out of maybe 40 odd people who came to my cubicle, only one declined the vaccine at all. He asked for the Pfizer-BioNTech (which isn't available at that centre), took the info leaflet and said he'd consider coming back. Maybe 3 or 4 people asked about what's been in the news but the overwhelming majority were quick to say yes after we highlighted it was the Oxford-AZ one. We had a rush of people after Friday prayers in the adjacent mosque. Apparently the Imam's sermon was about the safety of the vaccines and the importance of having it for the good of everyone. Two gents asked to photograph or video the actual vaccine being given so they could share to their friends/family (yes please - no face though!) It was really heartening to spend the day doing it (hoping to do lots more!)

So, despite the issues, despite greater hesitancy in certain communities, my experience today suggested that these issues that have come up with Oxford-AZ can be overcome, especially if community elders/leaders get on board. "

Well done

I had the AZ jab and am vey happy that I did. IMHO the EU messed up massively and are trying to cover it up by blaming everyone except themselves.

A previous poster mentioned about AZ's poor PR. Surely, they have no need for PR, they are selling the vaccine at no profit so all they have to do is produce it and distribute it. It is various countries politicians, primarily in the EU, who have been putting it's effectiveness down. The scientists seem to say differently.

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By *rben112Man
over a year ago

worcester


"The AZ vaccine is importantly the easier of the two to store and transport, which is going to make it the most desirable.

I have to admit I was (and still am) against Brexit, but the EU have got their vaccine roll out totally wrong.

They didn't pre order quickly enough

They then refused to vaccinate over 50's with AZ

They then suspended using AZ at all

Then decided it could only be given to over 50's.

Then having realised they've dropped the biggest bo**ock of all time, they scramble to blame everyone but themselves."

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By *ophieslut OP   TV/TS
over a year ago

Central


"The AZ vaccine is importantly the easier of the two to store and transport, which is going to make it the most desirable.

I have to admit I was (and still am) against Brexit, but the EU have got their vaccine roll out totally wrong.

They didn't pre order quickly enough

They then refused to vaccinate over 50's with AZ

They then suspended using AZ at all

Then decided it could only be given to over 50's.

Then having realised they've dropped the biggest bo**ock of all time, they scramble to blame everyone but themselves. and you still think we should of remained? The last few months have just confirmed we made the right decision to leave "

It's not the Politics forum, so I'll stick with the virus, as it's much too soon to know the balance of risks, damage or any benefit, though the export issues are significant here, which puts the odd country move over there in the shade.

We can only hope that the determination to get great protection for citizens everywhere wins out overall, as the negotiators we hope, all see more sense.

It's good that AZ have managed to get this as a first vaccine succor for themselves and production and logistics already helping millions of people. With some luck, we won't have any major third wave effects or another virus in the near future either. At least global production capacity is now higher and an additional supplier is now able to have confidence in its abilities, as well as this expertise. UK manufacturing is also increased, helping a little, to counter economic harm.

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By *ertwoCouple
over a year ago

omagh

Facts speak for them selfs the UK is out in front because it got of its ass and started using it while the EU bullies tried to tell the world it was not safe that is the true reason they are behind. The EU failed its people the UK gave them the rights to make as much as they wanted but they failed to spend the money for labs to make what they needed and now want the orders we paid for. A Dam good reason to stay out side the EU maybe even think twice about buying their goods.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Facts speak for them selfs the UK is out in front because it got of its ass and started using it while the EU bullies tried to tell the world it was not safe that is the true reason they are behind. The EU failed its people the UK gave them the rights to make as much as they wanted but they failed to spend the money for labs to make what they needed and now want the orders we paid for. A Dam good reason to stay out side the EU maybe even think twice about buying their goods."

AZ should have been more transparent at how many vaccines it could deliver. Promising 100 million but only delivering 30 million to the EU .... imagine if the this happend to the uk

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By *ertwoCouple
over a year ago

omagh

Germany has stocks of vaccine held back for those who can pay 800 euro maybe the other EU member states should look closer at them selfs before blaming us for their failures.

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By *heltenhamBiGuyMan
over a year ago

Cheltenham

I've had the AZ vaccine and no issues with it.

I'd rather follow the advice of the scientists than squabbling "politicians"

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By *he Ring WraithMan
over a year ago

Bradford

Its not a politics forum, but politics, the virus and the vaccine are now so intertwined in the arguments between eurpoe and the uk there is no parting them i suspect.

Who is telling the truth, since its all politicians spouting off i suspect NONE of them are telling the truth, just what suits their arguments.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I sure am glad the UK left the EU .... 40 years of whinging was more than enough to have put up with!!

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By *oubleswing2019Man
over a year ago

Colchester

A major part of the issue with the EU shambles is that the EU Commission are trying to act consistently across the board with their member countries, but individual nationalism within the EU is pulling them in all directions.

They are forgetting they are supposed to aspire and act like a Federal Republic (The USA is a Federated Republic, which works very well when properly implemented).

Instead, too much import is given to the individual member states, and hence all the squabbling.

By all means, you can be Spanish, French, German or whatever, but you're all riding the same bus.

They seem to have forgotten this, which is bizarre considering they have a shared currency and a shared framework of laws.

I guess the difference being, the political apparatus in the US with a President State Governors doesn't translate the same, and would require EU country leaders to realign as Governors which would make more sense in a Federation.

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By *udistcpl1Couple
over a year ago

Wirral


"Facts speak for them selfs the UK is out in front because it got of its ass and started using it while the EU bullies tried to tell the world it was not safe that is the true reason they are behind. The EU failed its people the UK gave them the rights to make as much as they wanted but they failed to spend the money for labs to make what they needed and now want the orders we paid for. A Dam good reason to stay out side the EU maybe even think twice about buying their goods.

AZ should have been more transparent at how many vaccines it could deliver. Promising 100 million but only delivering 30 million to the EU .... imagine if the this happend to the uk"

I guess you have nothing to do with manufacturing or know anything about it then.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Facts speak for them selfs the UK is out in front because it got of its ass and started using it while the EU bullies tried to tell the world it was not safe that is the true reason they are behind. The EU failed its people the UK gave them the rights to make as much as they wanted but they failed to spend the money for labs to make what they needed and now want the orders we paid for. A Dam good reason to stay out side the EU maybe even think twice about buying their goods.

AZ should have been more transparent at how many vaccines it could deliver. Promising 100 million but only delivering 30 million to the EU .... imagine if the this happend to the uk

I guess you have nothing to do with manufacturing or know anything about it then."

Manufacturing so.eyhing new and complex logistics is not easy . Tgats why the contract was "best endeavours " it's gone surprisingly well really !!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Facts speak for them selfs the UK is out in front because it got of its ass and started using it while the EU bullies tried to tell the world it was not safe that is the true reason they are behind. The EU failed its people the UK gave them the rights to make as much as they wanted but they failed to spend the money for labs to make what they needed and now want the orders we paid for. A Dam good reason to stay out side the EU maybe even think twice about buying their goods.

AZ should have been more transparent at how many vaccines it could deliver. Promising 100 million but only delivering 30 million to the EU .... imagine if the this happend to the uk"

There was no promise. It was best endeavor

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By *aver999Couple
over a year ago

East Mids


"Facts speak for them selfs the UK is out in front because it got of its ass and started using it while the EU bullies tried to tell the world it was not safe that is the true reason they are behind. The EU failed its people the UK gave them the rights to make as much as they wanted but they failed to spend the money for labs to make what they needed and now want the orders we paid for. A Dam good reason to stay out side the EU maybe even think twice about buying their goods.

AZ should have been more transparent at how many vaccines it could deliver. Promising 100 million but only delivering 30 million to the EU .... imagine if the this happend to the uk"

Well its the same for us we've only had 1/5 of what we ordered so no different to the EU we just started jabbing earlier and consistently

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By *emmabTV/TS
over a year ago

Leicestershire


"I am glad wee got out of EU or our vaccinations would be well behind by these eurocrat lunatics Rule Britannia ps got astra Zenica jag today

Congrats on the jab

I honestly don't think being in or out of the EU would have had any effect on our vaccine role out.

The member states have had individual choice all the way through as to their individual roll out. If we'd still been in, I'm pretty sure everything we've done from pre-order through to roll out would have still been done."

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By *argoyleMan
over a year ago

dudley

I saw in the news that Novavax has refused to sign a contract with the EU after it has seen the EU threaten to seize supplies contracted to other countries and generally denigrate AZ.

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By *ophieslut OP   TV/TS
over a year ago

Central

Perhaps it shouldn't have been sold at cost, for anyone wanting supplies that weren't best endeavours.

As it stands, best endeavours isn't an absolute commitment to supply a very specific order scope to a precise date. It does seem a victim of its own success. And as someone pointed out, they have perhaps not been their own best PR in how they've communicated publicly. There aren't many real winners here, if any - their customers are all under atrocious pandemic pressures, the public are missing out on getting treatments as early as they'd like (if their country could provide it) and the manufacturer doesn't make profit but gets a PR hit.

It's not fully possible to ignore politics but we should do and keep the majority of the discussions on the virus, rather than political snipping etc - we don't need to add more work for the busy mods. There are great positives in this -

It's been phenomenal to get this going and millions of doses out there, to many countries so quickly. Their medicine has saved many lives and is helping to get countries back towards having open economies etc. The real stars are the Oxford team but it would be foolish to ignore what AstraZeneca has achieved too.

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By *uthLessKnickersCouple
over a year ago

Cornwall/Devon


"I've just spent a four hour shift jabbing people with the Oxford-AZ vaccine in a very multi cultural part of the NW. I'd say about 2/3 of the folks who came today were in the "harder to reach" ethnic minority groups. Many had poor English and brought family/friends to translate. Basically, you'd expect the most hesitancy. Out of maybe 40 odd people who came to my cubicle, only one declined the vaccine at all. He asked for the Pfizer-BioNTech (which isn't available at that centre), took the info leaflet and said he'd consider coming back. Maybe 3 or 4 people asked about what's been in the news but the overwhelming majority were quick to say yes after we highlighted it was the Oxford-AZ one. We had a rush of people after Friday prayers in the adjacent mosque. Apparently the Imam's sermon was about the safety of the vaccines and the importance of having it for the good of everyone. Two gents asked to photograph or video the actual vaccine being given so they could share to their friends/family (yes please - no face though!) It was really heartening to spend the day doing it (hoping to do lots more!)

So, despite the issues, despite greater hesitancy in certain communities, my experience today suggested that these issues that have come up with Oxford-AZ can be overcome, especially if community elders/leaders get on board. "

Madam! We salute you! Thank you!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Out of the vaccines we're using, the Oxford AstraZeneca has struggled more than the others? It's being produced and sold at cost ... Obviously due its price, it's very attractive for ordering high volumes of stock too. "

The reason the AstraZeneca is cheap is that for the time being it has been produced on a not-for-profit basis. Moderna doses cost much more as they say they want to recover their costs from before Covid of research and development into RNA vaccines.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I've just spent a four hour shift jabbing people with the Oxford-AZ vaccine in a very multi cultural part of the NW. I'd say about 2/3 of the folks who came today were in the "harder to reach" ethnic minority groups. Many had poor English and brought family/friends to translate. Basically, you'd expect the most hesitancy. Out of maybe 40 odd people who came to my cubicle, only one declined the vaccine at all. He asked for the Pfizer-BioNTech (which isn't available at that centre), took the info leaflet and said he'd consider coming back. Maybe 3 or 4 people asked about what's been in the news but the overwhelming majority were quick to say yes after we highlighted it was the Oxford-AZ one. We had a rush of people after Friday prayers in the adjacent mosque. Apparently the Imam's sermon was about the safety of the vaccines and the importance of having it for the good of everyone. Two gents asked to photograph or video the actual vaccine being given so they could share to their friends/family (yes please - no face though!) It was really heartening to spend the day doing it (hoping to do lots more!)

So, despite the issues, despite greater hesitancy in certain communities, my experience today suggested that these issues that have come up with Oxford-AZ can be overcome, especially if community elders/leaders get on board. "

Great to hear a positive story

Thank you

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By *amish SMan
over a year ago

Eastleigh


"It's also worth pointing out AZ have never produced a vaccine before, so they had to start from scratch with a vaccine manufacturing facility. It's certainly an interesting choice for a vaccine partner anyway. I've worked for them in the past but on their anti cancer drug Zoladex mainly."

There were also vaccine making companies that tried and failed.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"It's also worth pointing out AZ have never produced a vaccine before, so they had to start from scratch with a vaccine manufacturing facility. It's certainly an interesting choice for a vaccine partner anyway. I've worked for them in the past but on their anti cancer drug Zoladex mainly."

Worked on it how?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I've just spent a four hour shift jabbing people with the Oxford-AZ vaccine in a very multi cultural part of the NW. I'd say about 2/3 of the folks who came today were in the "harder to reach" ethnic minority groups. Many had poor English and brought family/friends to translate. Basically, you'd expect the most hesitancy. Out of maybe 40 odd people who came to my cubicle, only one declined the vaccine at all. He asked for the Pfizer-BioNTech (which isn't available at that centre), took the info leaflet and said he'd consider coming back. Maybe 3 or 4 people asked about what's been in the news but the overwhelming majority were quick to say yes after we highlighted it was the Oxford-AZ one. We had a rush of people after Friday prayers in the adjacent mosque. Apparently the Imam's sermon was about the safety of the vaccines and the importance of having it for the good of everyone. Two gents asked to photograph or video the actual vaccine being given so they could share to their friends/family (yes please - no face though!) It was really heartening to spend the day doing it (hoping to do lots more!)

So, despite the issues, despite greater hesitancy in certain communities, my experience today suggested that these issues that have come up with Oxford-AZ can be overcome, especially if community elders/leaders get on board.

Well done

I had the AZ jab and am vey happy that I did. IMHO the EU messed up massively and are trying to cover it up by blaming everyone except themselves.

A previous poster mentioned about AZ's poor PR. Surely, they have no need for PR, they are selling the vaccine at no profit so all they have to do is produce it and distribute it. It is various countries politicians, primarily in the EU, who have been putting it's effectiveness down. The scientists seem to say differently."

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By *he Vital SparkMan
over a year ago

Preston


"The AZ vaccine is importantly the easier of the two to store and transport, which is going to make it the most desirable.

I have to admit I was (and still am) against Brexit, but the EU have got their vaccine roll out totally wrong.

They didn't pre order quickly enough

They then refused to vaccinate over 50's with AZ

They then suspended using AZ at all

Then decided it could only be given to over 50's.

Then having realised they've dropped the biggest bo**ock of all time, they scramble to blame everyone but themselves. and you still think we should of remained? The last few months have just confirmed we made the right decision to leave "

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By *nmgCouple
over a year ago

Liverpool

Had my first (AZ) jab on Tuesday, and I've got to say it's currently.kicking my arse - I feel like I've been hit by a train!

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By *inky_couple2020Couple
over a year ago

North West


"It's also worth pointing out AZ have never produced a vaccine before, so they had to start from scratch with a vaccine manufacturing facility. It's certainly an interesting choice for a vaccine partner anyway. I've worked for them in the past but on their anti cancer drug Zoladex mainly.

Worked on it how?"

On the production side of it, microbiological safety..

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

The thing I keep hearing is "good vaccine, PR sucks". It's a shame it's come to that.

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By *amish SMan
over a year ago

Eastleigh

The facts are there for all to see in the countries that have vaccinated well, seems that some EU countries fail to see it. UK, Israel, and even the US are now seeing results of vaccination.

None of the deaths related to clots reported in the news can be attributed to the vaccination, which is a result of crap reporting, as they don't give a background figure as comparison.

It just astounds me why some EU states disregard numerous safety agencies including the EU's own about vaccine safety. Every day the hold back vaccinating is 3 days lost.

My boss who lives on the continent says vaccination is a right mess and it does not look like it is going in the right direction either. He has written off this year already.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Europe has made it a political football.

There is a lot more at play here than just production and supply.

"

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Before everyone continues talking nonsense about Europe. Just wait a couple of weeks until the press lifts the embargo on the full picture of AZ side effects. It’s orders of magnitudes worst than any other vaccine and there’s a reason for

It. I seriously doubt the USA will ever approve it and I almost expect the EU EMA to completely halt its use. Leaving boris with his pants down after trying really hard to downplay the problems of this vaccine.

I’ll give you a hint. Remember last summer when the UK medical authorities were claiming the UK had found a secret sauce to make the AZ vaccine more efficacious? That seems to be the same element that is increasing the risk to blood clots to unacceptably high levels.

Let that sink in for a minute.

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By *iverscuMan
over a year ago

Berkshire


"Before everyone continues talking nonsense about Europe. Just wait a couple of weeks until the press lifts the embargo on the full picture of AZ side effects. It’s orders of magnitudes worst than any other vaccine and there’s a reason for

It. I seriously doubt the USA will ever approve it and I almost expect the EU EMA to completely halt its use. Leaving boris with his pants down after trying really hard to downplay the problems of this vaccine.

I’ll give you a hint. Remember last summer when the UK medical authorities were claiming the UK had found a secret sauce to make the AZ vaccine more efficacious? That seems to be the same element that is increasing the risk to blood clots to unacceptably high levels.

Let that sink in for a minute. "

please elaborate

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By *inky_couple2020Couple
over a year ago

North West

For anyone interested, the Oxford-AZ vaccine contains:

COVID-19 Vaccine (ChAdOx1-S* recombinant) 5 × 10^10 viral particles

L-Histidine

L-Histidine hydrochloride monohydrate

Magnesium chloride hexahydrate

Polysorbate 80

Ethanol

Sucrose

Sodium chloride

Disodium edetate dihydrate

Water for injections

From the top of the list, in plain English, this is:

The engineered chimpanzee adenovirus with the SARS-CoV-2 spike protein sequence inserted

An amino acid (part of the proteins that make up all living things, including humans)

A modified version of the amino acid which is more soluble.

A salt of magnesium with 6 water molecules attached - magnesium chloride is the source of magnesium in supplements etc.

An emulsifier that is used in the manufacture of ice cream (improves fat droplet distribution) and is found in all the flu vaccines too.

Alcohol (the sort in your beer, wine etc)

Sugar - the sort you put on your cornflakes

Salt - the sort you put on your chips

A chelating agent (scavenges mineral ions, such as calcium) - is given as a drug in its own right to treat high serum calcium and digitalis toxicity etc.

Water - a very pure, ion free type but perfectly drinkable.

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)


"Before everyone continues talking nonsense about Europe. Just wait a couple of weeks until the press lifts the embargo on the full picture of AZ side effects. It’s orders of magnitudes worst than any other vaccine and there’s a reason for

It. I seriously doubt the USA will ever approve it and I almost expect the EU EMA to completely halt its use. Leaving boris with his pants down after trying really hard to downplay the problems of this vaccine.

I’ll give you a hint. Remember last summer when the UK medical authorities were claiming the UK had found a secret sauce to make the AZ vaccine more efficacious? That seems to be the same element that is increasing the risk to blood clots to unacceptably high levels.

Let that sink in for a minute. "

I agree that there's a lot of nonsense about Europe.

That doesn't mean that what you're saying has any basis in reality either.

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By *ichaelsmyMan
over a year ago

douglas

Th eu messed up big style with the order.

The eu bullied everyone into a central order, distribution etc

The eu messed up and people are not happy

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By *ustforfun49Man
over a year ago

chesterfield


"The AZ vaccine is importantly the easier of the two to store and transport, which is going to make it the most desirable.

I have to admit I was (and still am) against Brexit, but the EU have got their vaccine roll out totally wrong.

They didn't pre order quickly enough

They then refused to vaccinate over 50's with AZ

They then suspended using AZ at all

Then decided it could only be given to over 50's.

Then having realised they've dropped the biggest bo**ock of all time, they scramble to blame everyone but themselves."

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By *over not a fighter69Man
over a year ago

greenock

Your an idiot if you don't vaccinate, its up there with anti vaxers for kids...... idiots!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"For anyone interested, the Oxford-AZ vaccine contains:

COVID-19 Vaccine (ChAdOx1-S* recombinant) 5 × 10^10 viral particles

L-Histidine

L-Histidine hydrochloride monohydrate

Magnesium chloride hexahydrate

Polysorbate 80

Ethanol

Sucrose

Sodium chloride

Disodium edetate dihydrate

Water for injections

From the top of the list, in plain English, this is:

The engineered chimpanzee adenovirus with the SARS-CoV-2 spike protein sequence inserted

An amino acid (part of the proteins that make up all living things, including humans)

A modified version of the amino acid which is more soluble.

A salt of magnesium with 6 water molecules attached - magnesium chloride is the source of magnesium in supplements etc.

An emulsifier that is used in the manufacture of ice cream (improves fat droplet distribution) and is found in all the flu vaccines too.

Alcohol (the sort in your beer, wine etc)

Sugar - the sort you put on your cornflakes

Salt - the sort you put on your chips

A chelating agent (scavenges mineral ions, such as calcium) - is given as a drug in its own right to treat high serum calcium and digitalis toxicity etc.

Water - a very pure, ion free type but perfectly drinkable."

Polysorbate 80 is found in most foods and make-up too

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By *xploring_FunWoman
over a year ago

Coventry


"Before everyone continues talking nonsense about Europe. Just wait a couple of weeks until the press lifts the embargo on the full picture of AZ side effects. It’s orders of magnitudes worst than any other vaccine and there’s a reason for

It. I seriously doubt the USA will ever approve it and I almost expect the EU EMA to completely halt its use. Leaving boris with his pants down after trying really hard to downplay the problems of this vaccine.

I’ll give you a hint. Remember last summer when the UK medical authorities were claiming the UK had found a secret sauce to make the AZ vaccine more efficacious? That seems to be the same element that is increasing the risk to blood clots to unacceptably high levels.

Let that sink in for a minute. "

And where does your information come from then?

If you are going to come on scaremongering then at least explain your sources for it

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By *e CapCouple
over a year ago

Basingstoke

Some people must be very naive to think that Europe will pause Astra Zeneca because is not from EU. First Astra Zeneca is also an Anglo Swedish company, last time I’ve checked Sweden was still in EU. Quite few of the factories are actually in EU. After they’ve spent a trillion to manage the virus plus another one and a half in preparation for the recovery they must be completely mad to block the AstraZeneca vaccine because this company will make few hundreds million profit. Stop listening to British Brainwashing Channel only and read some news from other sources as well if you want to understand more. This vaccine was paused not just in Europe but in Canada and Norway as well. Are the Canucks in the same boat with EU or what? The americans are still thinking, why? This vaccine was paused by some of the most developed countries in the world not by Tanzania, China or Russia. Things like Europe wants to teach England a lesson are cheap propaganda for stupid people. Europe already forgot about Brexit.

The idiotic argument paraded in the media and by some scientists that the benefit of vaccinating so many people is greater than that of few hundred deaths from blood cloth as side effects doesn’t stand. This virus pose almost zero danger to people under 50. Only few hundreds died out of millions infected. If the vaccine kills tens or maybe hundreds of relatively healthy young people, mostly women then we have a problem. We don’t even know how many elderly are actually dying from the same vaccine. It’s just being old is more acceptable to die from a blood cloth than a young person. I’m not against vaccines but I think once we managed to put the vulnerable people to safety we should take a break, make sure this vaccines are actually safe, maybe discover some better drugs as well before charging into unknown like Don Quixote.

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By *andy 1Couple
over a year ago

northeast

we got our jab on the 20 of feb we get the second 1 14 may we r over the moon and both feel great

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

We will never know the true facts about the situation...lets face it, some companies stand to make billions from the vaccine so how much lobbying is being done behind the scenes to discredit competition add to that how much is also politically motivated... we do know that the blood clotting occurs naturally. Its also not known if its a result of the covid virus itself, the vaccine or other factors...to say that covid doesn't effect those under 50 is crazy...even teenagers have died as a result of having covid.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"We will never know the true facts about the situation...lets face it, some companies stand to make billions from the vaccine so how much lobbying is being done behind the scenes to discredit competition add to that how much is also politically motivated... we do know that the blood clotting occurs naturally. Its also not known if its a result of the covid virus itself, the vaccine or other factors...to say that covid doesn't effect those under 50 is crazy...even teenagers have died as a result of having covid. "

And, unfortunately, blood clots effect any age and any health ... strokes are a very real thing

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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago

near ipswich


"Some people must be very naive to think that Europe will pause Astra Zeneca because is not from EU. First Astra Zeneca is also an Anglo Swedish company, last time I’ve checked Sweden was still in EU. Quite few of the factories are actually in EU. After they’ve spent a trillion to manage the virus plus another one and a half in preparation for the recovery they must be completely mad to block the AstraZeneca vaccine because this company will make few hundreds million profit. Stop listening to British Brainwashing Channel only and read some news from other sources as well if you want to understand more. This vaccine was paused not just in Europe but in Canada and Norway as well. Are the Canucks in the same boat with EU or what? The americans are still thinking, why? This vaccine was paused by some of the most developed countries in the world not by Tanzania, China or Russia. Things like Europe wants to teach England a lesson are cheap propaganda for stupid people. Europe already forgot about Brexit.

The idiotic argument paraded in the media and by some scientists that the benefit of vaccinating so many people is greater than that of few hundred deaths from blood cloth as side effects doesn’t stand. This virus pose almost zero danger to people under 50. Only few hundreds died out of millions infected. If the vaccine kills tens or maybe hundreds of relatively healthy young people, mostly women then we have a problem. We don’t even know how many elderly are actually dying from the same vaccine. It’s just being old is more acceptable to die from a blood cloth than a young person. I’m not against vaccines but I think once we managed to put the vulnerable people to safety we should take a break, make sure this vaccines are actually safe, maybe discover some better drugs as well before charging into unknown like Don Quixote.

"
Total rubbish there has been no link between the vaccine and blood clots, in normal life without a vaccine between 2-16 per million people get blood clots even the EMA have said they have no problem with it.People like macron and merkel are responsible for sending mixed messages about AZ and have caused no end of damage to the rollouts.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"The AZ vaccine is importantly the easier of the two to store and transport, which is going to make it the most desirable.

I have to admit I was (and still am) against Brexit, but the EU have got their vaccine roll out totally wrong.

They didn't pre order quickly enough

They then refused to vaccinate over 50's with AZ

They then suspended using AZ at all

Then decided it could only be given to over 50's.

Then having realised they've dropped the biggest bo**ock of all time, they scramble to blame everyone but themselves."

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By *ackformore100Man
over a year ago

Tin town


"Some people must be very naive to think that Europe will pause Astra Zeneca because is not from EU. First Astra Zeneca is also an Anglo Swedish company, last time I’ve checked Sweden was still in EU. Quite few of the factories are actually in EU. After they’ve spent a trillion to manage the virus plus another one and a half in preparation for the recovery they must be completely mad to block the AstraZeneca vaccine because this company will make few hundreds million profit. Stop listening to British Brainwashing Channel only and read some news from other sources as well if you want to understand more. This vaccine was paused not just in Europe but in Canada and Norway as well. Are the Canucks in the same boat with EU or what? The americans are still thinking, why? This vaccine was paused by some of the most developed countries in the world not by Tanzania, China or Russia. Things like Europe wants to teach England a lesson are cheap propaganda for stupid people. Europe already forgot about Brexit.

The idiotic argument paraded in the media and by some scientists that the benefit of vaccinating so many people is greater than that of few hundred deaths from blood cloth as side effects doesn’t stand. This virus pose almost zero danger to people under 50. Only few hundreds died out of millions infected. If the vaccine kills tens or maybe hundreds of relatively healthy young people, mostly women then we have a problem. We don’t even know how many elderly are actually dying from the same vaccine. It’s just being old is more acceptable to die from a blood cloth than a young person. I’m not against vaccines but I think once we managed to put the vulnerable people to safety we should take a break, make sure this vaccines are actually safe, maybe discover some better drugs as well before charging into unknown like Don Quixote.

"

There's more than one side to the row with the EU over this. If you care to look you can see how difficult macron has made it for his countryman soriot who is chief exec of AZ. For you to suggest the politics is led by the British is naive at best.

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/eu-vaccines-war-astrazeneca-jabs-uk-michel-barnier-b927490.html

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By * and M lookingCouple
over a year ago

Worcester


"Anyone think that Having a national heath service with its structure, has contributed to making distribution easier? "

Think you will find that the military were handling the distribution side of things.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Just imagine if you opened up a petrol station and you was selling it at cost

Don't you think the big boys like BP/shell ect would try all tricks to get you out of business just a thought

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By *ackformore100Man
over a year ago

Tin town


"Just imagine if you opened up a petrol station and you was selling it at cost

Don't you think the big boys like BP/shell ect would try all tricks to get you out of business just a thought"

Even more... Imagine you'd ordered your tankers of petrol and then the big bully up the road says... "no fair, we are going to stop you having what you ordered because you have more than us.. Even though we don't want it"

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By *isfits behaving badlyCouple
over a year ago

Coventry

Has it? Especially when you consider its global potential. It can be kept fridge temperature, far cheaper and user friendly. I think globally it will be that jab that's saves far more of the world than the other 2 offered here.

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By *htcMan
over a year ago

MK

All fake news setup by the big companies to try to sell more vaccines at there high prices. Nothing wrong with Az vaccine.

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