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"To control people youve got to scare them Ive always said Covid is not our biggest problem what comes after is Loss of rights Loss of income Loss of Public services Mental health issues Debt bankruptcy homelessness Loss of health services in NHS Loss of right to demonstrate And our future kids gran kids and their kids will be paying While the Rich get Richer And all will be put down to covid The government will say got no money and control you We do not live in a Democracy State we are Like China watered down Remember this post its our future " Lol So what rights have we lost? What public services have been lost? What health services have been lost from the NHS? In what ways are the government controlling you? The only thing that is happening right now, is that The World is trying to stop this virus. Cal | |||
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"To control people youve got to scare them Ive always said Covid is not our biggest problem what comes after is Loss of rights Loss of income Loss of Public services Mental health issues Debt bankruptcy homelessness Loss of health services in NHS Loss of right to demonstrate And our future kids gran kids and their kids will be paying While the Rich get Richer And all will be put down to covid The government will say got no money and control you We do not live in a Democracy State we are Like China watered down Remember this post its our future " The fall out economical will in our opinion be far worse than the Government are letting on , without a good economy social services will be hit hard and even the NHS will suffer cutbacks , 2.5 Trillion in debt ,one of only 4 countries worldwide with overall debt higher than whole years GDP ,we’ll see how it pans out | |||
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"To control people youve got to scare them Ive always said Covid is not our biggest problem what comes after is Loss of rights Loss of income Loss of Public services Mental health issues Debt bankruptcy homelessness Loss of health services in NHS Loss of right to demonstrate And our future kids gran kids and their kids will be paying While the Rich get Richer And all will be put down to covid The government will say got no money and control you We do not live in a Democracy State we are Like China watered down Remember this post its our future " Hey.. It's not all bad. However, a lot of what you say is either true or likely to be. The key concern is on two levels I think. Firstly that the temporary measures we are under and will be under remain just temporary. Things like travel and how we live at the moment can't realistically last too long. Clearly a lot of people are living in what they see as a secure bubble financially and getting furlough payments to keep them going. That won't last and eventually there is going to be a huge reality check when people are told there's no more money many will have a different attitude..I can forsee then the second problem emerging The right to protest, complain or get upset will have been taken away and become a criminal offence.. Meaning whatever the government do no one can say anything against it, act against it or try to change it. So people will have to put up with it until there is a change in government through the ballot box. Lastly and judging from the replies on here already too many blinkered people thinking a government will bring in temporary bills to change things.. You watch.. A lot of the new rules and versions of their new world order will remain permanently etched into law.. Just tiny bits of our democratic rights as citizens taken away with the intent of making everyone a subject and thus more controllable.. It will take time but the Tory party are absolutely going to try and control the population far more than any government ever has before.. Should we be worried? Probably very worried but right now no one cares because its all being done to keep us safe from Covid.. One day that won't be the case. I wonder what their excuse will be then? | |||
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"To control people youve got to scare them Ive always said Covid is not our biggest problem what comes after is Loss of rights Loss of income Loss of Public services Mental health issues Debt bankruptcy homelessness Loss of health services in NHS Loss of right to demonstrate And our future kids gran kids and their kids will be paying While the Rich get Richer And all will be put down to covid The government will say got no money and control you We do not live in a Democracy State we are Like China watered down Remember this post its our future Lol So what rights have we lost? What public services have been lost? What health services have been lost from the NHS? In what ways are the government controlling you? The only thing that is happening right now, is that The World is trying to stop this virus. Cal" 
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"To control people youve got to scare them Ive always said Covid is not our biggest problem what comes after is Loss of rights Loss of income Loss of Public services Mental health issues Debt bankruptcy homelessness Loss of health services in NHS Loss of right to demonstrate And our future kids gran kids and their kids will be paying While the Rich get Richer And all will be put down to covid The government will say got no money and control you We do not live in a Democracy State we are Like China watered down Remember this post its our future Hey.. It's not all bad. However, a lot of what you say is either true or likely to be. The key concern is on two levels I think. Firstly that the temporary measures we are under and will be under remain just temporary. Things like travel and how we live at the moment can't realistically last too long. Clearly a lot of people are living in what they see as a secure bubble financially and getting furlough payments to keep them going. That won't last and eventually there is going to be a huge reality check when people are told there's no more money many will have a different attitude..I can forsee then the second problem emerging The right to protest, complain or get upset will have been taken away and become a criminal offence.. Meaning whatever the government do no one can say anything against it, act against it or try to change it. So people will have to put up with it until there is a change in government through the ballot box. Lastly and judging from the replies on here already too many blinkered people thinking a government will bring in temporary bills to change things.. You watch.. A lot of the new rules and versions of their new world order will remain permanently etched into law.. Just tiny bits of our democratic rights as citizens taken away with the intent of making everyone a subject and thus more controllable.. It will take time but the Tory party are absolutely going to try and control the population far more than any government ever has before.. Should we be worried? Probably very worried but right now no one cares because its all being done to keep us safe from Covid.. One day that won't be the case. I wonder what their excuse will be then? " What i dont get with all this crap "they want to take our rights away" who exactly is "they" governments,mp,s pm,s change regularly in fact any one of us can put ourselves forward to stand as a mp.What benefit is it taking peoples rights to any of them bearing in mind the law applies to them as well.People really should stop reading crap, everyone has a brain and is capable of sitting down and thinking who are these people why would they want to errode their own rights and for what possible motive.  | |||
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"To control people youve got to scare them Ive always said Covid is not our biggest problem what comes after is Loss of rights Loss of income Loss of Public services Mental health issues Debt bankruptcy homelessness Loss of health services in NHS Loss of right to demonstrate And our future kids gran kids and their kids will be paying While the Rich get Richer And all will be put down to covid The government will say got no money and control you We do not live in a Democracy State we are Like China watered down Remember this post its our future " No we dont. How would you have coped living during WW2 ?? | |||
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"To control people youve got to scare them Ive always said Covid is not our biggest problem what comes after is Loss of rights Loss of income Loss of Public services Mental health issues Debt bankruptcy homelessness Loss of health services in NHS Loss of right to demonstrate And our future kids gran kids and their kids will be paying While the Rich get Richer And all will be put down to covid The government will say got no money and control you We do not live in a Democracy State we are Like China watered down Remember this post its our future " you dident say loss of life because of idiots rioting | |||
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"Ah but how would Corbyn have done better? Just thought I would add this to the pot.." Well given that conservatism is about small state, limited intervention and personal freedoms and Corbyns brand of socialism is pretty much the exact opposite.. what do you think... | |||
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"Ah but how would Corbyn have done better? Just thought I would add this to the pot.. Well given that conservatism is about small state, limited intervention and personal freedoms and Corbyns brand of socialism is pretty much the exact opposite.. what do you think..." I was kidding as there are many irrelevancies in this thread, one more can’t do any harm.. | |||
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"What à cheery person you not!!! Remind me never to meet up with you and start a conversation. This is why I don't read newspapers or social media, fab was meant to be a fun site, to escape the pandemic, there is no escape it appears from the conspirators and their made up NONSENSE. I Would love to see how you would manage a global pandemic "Isn't that a bit la la la fingers in the ears?. You can shut your eyes chuck but it won't go away! | |||
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"Ah but how would Corbyn have done better? Just thought I would add this to the pot.. I wouldn't bother.. Your just looking for a virtual punch up I think? It's not about that arguably though the LP would not be putting measures in place to trying to control the people half as much maybe? " No you totally fail to grasp socialism! It would have seen a government trying to control people twice as much! | |||
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"It's a full on conspiracy theories bingo thread.. Only 'sheeple' to come.. No its a reality check You are going to tell me that 'when the wind blows' was a conspiracy too? Some people may need to watch that just to see how much bull rap people get fed before they realise it.. " Not sure what tangent your on but with phrases such as 'new world order' being oft used by yourself and others it's fair to say that the chances of a logical debate based on the actuality of where we are is minimal.. | |||
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"Ah but how would Corbyn have done better? Just thought I would add this to the pot.. I wouldn't bother.. Your just looking for a virtual punch up I think? It's not about that arguably though the LP would not be putting measures in place to trying to control the people half as much maybe? No you totally fail to grasp socialism! It would have seen a government trying to control people twice as much!" Possibly a confusion between socialism & communism, besides I suspect we would have more of a democratic socialism...the clue being the ‘d’ word. | |||
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"Ah but how would Corbyn have done better? Just thought I would add this to the pot.. I wouldn't bother.. Your just looking for a virtual punch up I think? It's not about that arguably though the LP would not be putting measures in place to trying to control the people half as much maybe? No you totally fail to grasp socialism! It would have seen a government trying to control people twice as much!" I didn't think I was trying to grasp any ' ism'? Just stating an ' A' political point of view.  | |||
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"Ah but how would Corbyn have done better? Just thought I would add this to the pot.. I wouldn't bother.. Your just looking for a virtual punch up I think? It's not about that arguably though the LP would not be putting measures in place to trying to control the people half as much maybe? No you totally fail to grasp socialism! It would have seen a government trying to control people twice as much! Possibly a confusion between socialism & communism, besides I suspect we would have more of a democratic socialism...the clue being the ‘d’ word." Oh no confusion, I can just see through that smokescreen  | |||
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"To control people youve got to scare them Ive always said Covid is not our biggest problem what comes after is Loss of rights Loss of income Loss of Public services Mental health issues Debt bankruptcy homelessness Loss of health services in NHS Loss of right to demonstrate And our future kids gran kids and their kids will be paying While the Rich get Richer And all will be put down to covid The government will say got no money and control you We do not live in a Democracy State we are Like China watered down Remember this post its our future " I absolutely agree. The most worrying thing is the vast majority are complying without thinking about the consequences. They are willingly absorbing lies, manipulation and vitriol. Feeding the chaos of arguing about inconsequentials while ignoring the huge changes quietly eroding freedoms. I keep coming back to the fact that the principal U.K. advisor is an anarchist and chaos is the aim. It looks to me as though that is exactly what the U.K. is in. | |||
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"To control people youve got to scare them Ive always said Covid is not our biggest problem what comes after is Loss of rights Loss of income Loss of Public services Mental health issues Debt bankruptcy homelessness Loss of health services in NHS Loss of right to demonstrate And our future kids gran kids and their kids will be paying While the Rich get Richer And all will be put down to covid The government will say got no money and control you We do not live in a Democracy State we are Like China watered down Remember this post its our future I absolutely agree. The most worrying thing is the vast majority are complying without thinking about the consequences. They are willingly absorbing lies, manipulation and vitriol. Feeding the chaos of arguing about inconsequentials while ignoring the huge changes quietly eroding freedoms. I keep coming back to the fact that the principal U.K. advisor is an anarchist and chaos is the aim. It looks to me as though that is exactly what the U.K. is in." Its pure comedy here today | |||
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" The virus has predominantly been handed very badly here. We've been ravaged much worse than many countries. " Disagree with that statement, there have been mistakes by countries governments all over the world. There are a number of oveapping cicumstances why we were hit so hard. Density of population, fuckwhits that don't believe rules apply to them, aging population, "obesity" medical research has highlighted is a significant factor, we are are a unhealthy nation, diabetes the list goes on but don't let the facts get in the way of a good conspiracy theory or blind anti government rhetoric. EU heading into another lockdown, we are coming out. People only worried they may not go on holiday abroad. Let's see what happens over the next few months. | |||
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"To control people youve got to scare them Ive always said Covid is not our biggest problem what comes after is Loss of rights Loss of income Loss of Public services Mental health issues Debt bankruptcy homelessness Loss of health services in NHS Loss of right to demonstrate And our future kids gran kids and their kids will be paying While the Rich get Richer And all will be put down to covid The government will say got no money and control you We do not live in a Democracy State we are Like China watered down Remember this post its our future Hey.. It's not all bad. However, a lot of what you say is either true or likely to be. The key concern is on two levels I think. Firstly that the temporary measures we are under and will be under remain just temporary. Things like travel and how we live at the moment can't realistically last too long. Clearly a lot of people are living in what they see as a secure bubble financially and getting furlough payments to keep them going. That won't last and eventually there is going to be a huge reality check when people are told there's no more money many will have a different attitude..I can forsee then the second problem emerging The right to protest, complain or get upset will have been taken away and become a criminal offence.. Meaning whatever the government do no one can say anything against it, act against it or try to change it. So people will have to put up with it until there is a change in government through the ballot box. Lastly and judging from the replies on here already too many blinkered people thinking a government will bring in temporary bills to change things.. You watch.. A lot of the new rules and versions of their new world order will remain permanently etched into law.. Just tiny bits of our democratic rights as citizens taken away with the intent of making everyone a subject and thus more controllable.. It will take time but the Tory party are absolutely going to try and control the population far more than any government ever has before.. Should we be worried? Probably very worried but right now no one cares because its all being done to keep us safe from Covid.. One day that won't be the case. I wonder what their excuse will be then? " The next excuse will be the world is getting too hot. And then it will be getting too cold. And the next excuse will simply be the climate is changing. | |||
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"Ah but how would Corbyn have done better? Just thought I would add this to the pot.." i suspect he would have swindled considerably less then the money loving people hating Tories. Less, not nothing, Hence why Scotland must part ways with the heavily corrupted WM. | |||
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"To control people youve got to scare them Ive always said Covid is not our biggest problem what comes after is Loss of rights Loss of income Loss of Public services Mental health issues Debt bankruptcy homelessness Loss of health services in NHS Loss of right to demonstrate And our future kids gran kids and their kids will be paying While the Rich get Richer And all will be put down to covid The government will say got no money and control you We do not live in a Democracy State we are Like China watered down Remember this post its our future " Who is trying to control us and why? | |||
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"To control people youve got to scare them Ive always said Covid is not our biggest problem what comes after is Loss of rights Loss of income Loss of Public services Mental health issues Debt bankruptcy homelessness Loss of health services in NHS Loss of right to demonstrate And our future kids gran kids and their kids will be paying While the Rich get Richer And all will be put down to covid The government will say got no money and control you We do not live in a Democracy State we are Like China watered down Remember this post its our future " What a load of bollocks,you do not know what freedom is | |||
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"Ah but how would Corbyn have done better? Just thought I would add this to the pot.. i suspect he would have swindled considerably less then the money loving people hating Tories. Less, not nothing, Hence why Scotland must part ways with the heavily corrupted WM." More bollocks | |||
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"I think people have come to expect too much out of life and see everything as a loss instead of just getting on with things and stop blaming everyone else "Thats what happens when you give the people what they want .. soaps and sports on TV , money in their pocket , booze and other poisons to keep them quiet and docile .. they think they are contented then don't they ? .. that they are getting a fair deal maybe and life is good .. whilst at the same time the ones higher up the food chain are having a field day safe in the knowledge that no one will notice what is really going on .. However, slowly it seems the people are waking up .. some of them and seeing things for what they really are .. wait till furlough ends .. then the fireworks are really going to start | |||
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"To control people youve got to scare them Ive always said Covid is not our biggest problem what comes after is Loss of rights Loss of income Loss of Public services Mental health issues Debt bankruptcy homelessness Loss of health services in NHS Loss of right to demonstrate And our future kids gran kids and their kids will be paying While the Rich get Richer And all will be put down to covid The government will say got no money and control you We do not live in a Democracy State we are Like China watered down Remember this post its our future " You forgot the loss of the right to smash things up, burn police cars, hurt the people who we need to keep law and order just for the hell of it because we don’t want to get jobs and contribute to society
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"To control people youve got to scare them Ive always said Covid is not our biggest problem what comes after is Loss of rights Loss of income Loss of Public services Mental health issues Debt bankruptcy homelessness Loss of health services in NHS Loss of right to demonstrate And our future kids gran kids and their kids will be paying While the Rich get Richer And all will be put down to covid The government will say got no money and control you We do not live in a Democracy State we are Like China watered down Remember this post its our future You forgot the loss of the right to smash things up, burn police cars, hurt the people who we need to keep law and order just for the hell of it because we don’t want to get jobs and contribute to society
Someone is from another planet "I would strongly sugest you read better newspapers and watch better news coverage from a reliable source . What everyone is very conveniently glossing over is that there are TWO sides to this .., Firstly there will always be black flag anarchists and class war types itching to take a pop at the establishment anytime they can .. they are FEW in number yet everyone notices them in the media Secondly there was a perfectly decent , safe and relatively Covid aware protest that happened on the same day in the same city. It was PEACEFULL! no violence and everyone well behaved . It was aprotest about something that personally I am also very concerned about .. the loss of civil liberties , to complain about how the government treat me/us and the potential criminality of the right to protest in a peaceful way .. that really bothers me and makes the Uk a very undesirable place to live in my opinion .. It bothers me because now the waters are quietish and people are being kept calm by having their money given to them for nothing .. some people have been paid a whole years salary for doing absolutely nothing .. whereas others have not had one penny piece of support and you will notice not rioted or moaned too much about it .. Eventually Furlough will end, taxes will rise, and other things will happen to the economy that pushes people more than they would like. that's when people will want to protest, complain and shout about it .. and that is why the government are doing their best to make it illegal to do so now .. THAT is why people are protesting now ..Peacefully! I wish some people would look underneath the shiny covers sometimes | |||
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"To control people youve got to scare them Ive always said Covid is not our biggest problem what comes after is Loss of rights Loss of income Loss of Public services Mental health issues Debt bankruptcy homelessness Loss of health services in NHS Loss of right to demonstrate And our future kids gran kids and their kids will be paying While the Rich get Richer And all will be put down to covid The government will say got no money and control you We do not live in a Democracy State we are Like China watered down Remember this post its our future Hey.. It's not all bad. However, a lot of what you say is either true or likely to be. The key concern is on two levels I think. Firstly that the temporary measures we are under and will be under remain just temporary. Things like travel and how we live at the moment can't realistically last too long. Clearly a lot of people are living in what they see as a secure bubble financially and getting furlough payments to keep them going. That won't last and eventually there is going to be a huge reality check when people are told there's no more money many will have a different attitude..I can forsee then the second problem emerging The right to protest, complain or get upset will have been taken away and become a criminal offence.. Meaning whatever the government do no one can say anything against it, act against it or try to change it. So people will have to put up with it until there is a change in government through the ballot box. Lastly and judging from the replies on here already too many blinkered people thinking a government will bring in temporary bills to change things.. You watch.. A lot of the new rules and versions of their new world order will remain permanently etched into law.. Just tiny bits of our democratic rights as citizens taken away with the intent of making everyone a subject and thus more controllable.. It will take time but the Tory party are absolutely going to try and control the population far more than any government ever has before.. Should we be worried? Probably very worried but right now no one cares because its all being done to keep us safe from Covid.. One day that won't be the case. I wonder what their excuse will be then? The next excuse will be the world is getting too hot. And then it will be getting too cold. And the next excuse will simply be the climate is changing. " Heating or cooling is changing... | |||
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"To control people youve got to scare them Ive always said Covid is not our biggest problem what comes after is Loss of rights Loss of income Loss of Public services Mental health issues Debt bankruptcy homelessness Loss of health services in NHS Loss of right to demonstrate And our future kids gran kids and their kids will be paying While the Rich get Richer And all will be put down to covid The government will say got no money and control you We do not live in a Democracy State we are Like China watered down Remember this post its our future I absolutely agree. The most worrying thing is the vast majority are complying without thinking about the consequences. They are willingly absorbing lies, manipulation and vitriol. Feeding the chaos of arguing about inconsequentials while ignoring the huge changes quietly eroding freedoms. I keep coming back to the fact that the principal U.K. advisor is an anarchist and chaos is the aim. It looks to me as though that is exactly what the U.K. is in." Which chief advisor? And if chaos is the aim, why outlaw protest & who benefits? | |||
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" Great thread and the full on denial of reality is great 1) 40 odd thousand less nurses ..so the NHS is ?? 2)20 odd thousand less policemen...so law & order ?? 3)4 million plus kids in poverty ..so .. 4)Most so called " Social services " on their knees 5)Record numbers of homeless families 6)Record numbers in debt 7)Record numbers using food banks 8)Record numbers of Armed forces veterans homeless 9)Record number now living in destitution ....The list goes on and on and on and on but as long as you keep your bit of the pie ?? and Fear is the only thing they know now as it works and quite funny that " Jeremy Corbyn " is bad but i'm guessing some are quite happy to get ..from the government which is classed as ....and also on another note "Open reach/BT)which we gave over 28 millions of our tax payers money to put in broadband and didn't has now been given the go ahead to charge whatever they want for full fibre broadband .. "All true. Or it will be soon | |||
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"To control people youve got to scare them Ive always said Covid is not our biggest problem what comes after is Loss of rights Loss of income Loss of Public services Mental health issues Debt bankruptcy homelessness Loss of health services in NHS Loss of right to demonstrate And our future kids gran kids and their kids will be paying While the Rich get Richer And all will be put down to covid The government will say got no money and control you We do not live in a Democracy State we are Like China watered down Remember this post its our future You forgot the loss of the right to smash things up, burn police cars, hurt the people who we need to keep law and order just for the hell of it because we don’t want to get jobs and contribute to society
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I would strongly sugest you read better newspapers and watch better news coverage from a reliable source .
What everyone is very conveniently glossing over is that there are TWO sides to this ..,
Firstly there will always be black flag anarchists and class war types itching to take a pop at the establishment anytime they can .. they are FEW in number yet everyone notices them in the media
Secondly there was a perfectly decent , safe and relatively Covid aware protest that happened on the same day in the same city.
It was PEACEFULL! no violence and everyone well behaved . It was aprotest about something that personally I am also very concerned about .. the loss of civil liberties , to complain about how the government treat me/us and the potential criminality of the right to protest in a peaceful way ..
that really bothers me and makes the Uk a very undesirable place to live in my opinion ..
It bothers me because now the waters are quietish and people are being kept calm by having their money given to them for nothing .. some people have been paid a whole years salary for doing absolutely nothing .. whereas others have not had one penny piece of support and you will notice not rioted or moaned too much about it ..
Eventually Furlough will end, taxes will rise, and other things will happen to the economy that pushes people more than they would like.
that's when people will want to protest, complain and shout about it .. and that is why the government are doing their best to make it illegal to do so now ..
THAT is why people are protesting now ..Peacefully!
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"To control people youve got to scare them Ive always said Covid is not our biggest problem what comes after is Loss of rights Loss of income Loss of Public services Mental health issues Debt bankruptcy homelessness Loss of health services in NHS Loss of right to demonstrate And our future kids gran kids and their kids will be paying While the Rich get Richer And all will be put down to covid The government will say got no money and control you We do not live in a Democracy State we are Like China watered down Remember this post its our future You forgot the loss of the right to smash things up, burn police cars, hurt the people who we need to keep law and order just for the hell of it because we don’t want to get jobs and contribute to society
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I would strongly sugest you read better newspapers and watch better news coverage from a reliable source .
What everyone is very conveniently glossing over is that there are TWO sides to this ..,
Firstly there will always be black flag anarchists and class war types itching to take a pop at the establishment anytime they can .. they are FEW in number yet everyone notices them in the media
Secondly there was a perfectly decent , safe and relatively Covid aware protest that happened on the same day in the same city.
It was PEACEFULL! no violence and everyone well behaved . It was aprotest about something that personally I am also very concerned about .. the loss of civil liberties , to complain about how the government treat me/us and the potential criminality of the right to protest in a peaceful way ..
that really bothers me and makes the Uk a very undesirable place to live in my opinion ..
It bothers me because now the waters are quietish and people are being kept calm by having their money given to them for nothing .. some people have been paid a whole years salary for doing absolutely nothing .. whereas others have not had one penny piece of support and you will notice not rioted or moaned too much about it ..
Eventually Furlough will end, taxes will rise, and other things will happen to the economy that pushes people more than they would like.
that's when people will want to protest, complain and shout about it .. and that is why the government are doing their best to make it illegal to do so now ..
THAT is why people are protesting now ..Peacefully!
I wish some people would look underneath the shiny covers sometimes More cynical crap"Now hang on! you don't get to say that and walk away !! Not when I can actually prove what I have said .. most of it! You probably have a perfectly decent contribution to make So why not try actually entering the debate instead of tut-tutting on the sidelines looking like you are scared to jump in ? | |||
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"The rich get richer because they are up before you. Putting in the hours while you clock off on time. Still work at home when not on site while your watching TV. Everyone moans and bitches about rich people but fact is most of them got off their backsides and did something about it instead of the 'just eat' lazy fuckwits who spend majority of there time slagging off on Facebook sitting on Sofa with the PlayStation. " The sheer naivety of that comment defies belief .. being so far up your own backside I hope you have a torch handy! | |||
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"I'm not sure how this morphed intoa hate the rich thread. But I will only say this. Be careful what you wish for. If "the rich" decide to take their innovations and companies elsewhere, who will own and motivate and run the companies that generate lots of jobs for us lot. Not all rich people are bent tax dodging unscrupulous nepotists. Most work hard, provide opportunities for others and pay more tax than most of us can imagine. There are some of course who are not that way.. But then there are plenty of the lazy, scrounging, or criminal element whether rich or poor. " Yep we would certainly be screwed if the likes of phillip green and Jacob reece mogg fucked off. | |||
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" Have no trouble with the "Rich" but now it is getting rather silly the level of wealth and hence power some have ?? and if you work hard and come up with a good idea all power to you !! and we do need to have a grown up conversation soon though about how we'd like "Society" to be ?? or like it to be ?? and Frank Sinatra always mused on the fact that when you are down and out you got hardly anything given to help you out ...but as soon as you made it you got everything given to you for free ?? "Agree with that... I think the emphasis is on the grown up conversation rather than the childlike swearing at a handful of names that are in the press. I think there is a much bigger issue of the likes of say amazon (and similar others) who we all use for convenience and then complain that about their corporate behaviours... Some corporations now have larger turnovers than most countries and wield far too much influence....i guess we could not be lazy and support our local butcher Baker and candle stick maker... That's in our gift. | |||
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"I'm not sure how this morphed intoa hate the rich thread. But I will only say this. Be careful what you wish for. If "the rich" decide to take their innovations and companies elsewhere, who will own and motivate and run the companies that generate lots of jobs for us lot. Not all rich people are bent tax dodging unscrupulous nepotists. Most work hard, provide opportunities for others and pay more tax than most of us can imagine. There are some of course who are not that way.. But then there are plenty of the lazy, scrounging, or criminal element whether rich or poor. Yep we would certainly be screwed if the likes of phillip green and Jacob reece mogg fucked off." Well i guess the 1000s of people who had employment in his empire for 20 years would certainly have been screwed. | |||
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"I'm not sure how this morphed intoa hate the rich thread. But I will only say this. Be careful what you wish for. If "the rich" decide to take their innovations and companies elsewhere, who will own and motivate and run the companies that generate lots of jobs for us lot. Not all rich people are bent tax dodging unscrupulous nepotists. Most work hard, provide opportunities for others and pay more tax than most of us can imagine. There are some of course who are not that way.. But then there are plenty of the lazy, scrounging, or criminal element whether rich or poor. Yep we would certainly be screwed if the likes of phillip green and Jacob reece mogg fucked off. Well i guess the 1000s of people who had employment in his empire for 20 years would certainly have been screwed. Including the ones he screwed over?" No of course not. And that sort of criminal activity is deplorable. And not defending him or any like him or those actions. You can't defend the indefensible. But many people worked for him for many years and provided for their families with their wages. Which they would not have had without his stores. | |||
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"Just because you run a business doesnt make you somehow exempt from paying your fair share on tax. The fact that people are essentially arguing that rich people shouldnt be subject to the same rules as the rest of us,is quite frankly ridiculous. " Absolutely, and the fact quite a few companies have now become so huge that they have undue influence on governments or even collections of govts like in Latin America or EU is bad for us and difficult to reverse. | |||
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"I'm not sure how this morphed intoa hate the rich thread. But I will only say this. Be careful what you wish for. If "the rich" decide to take their innovations and companies elsewhere, who will own and motivate and run the companies that generate lots of jobs for us lot. Not all rich people are bent tax dodging unscrupulous nepotists. Most work hard, provide opportunities for others and pay more tax than most of us can imagine. There are some of course who are not that way.. But then there are plenty of the lazy, scrounging, or criminal element whether rich or poor. Yep we would certainly be screwed if the likes of phillip green and Jacob reece mogg fucked off. Well i guess the 1000s of people who had employment in his empire for 20 years would certainly have been screwed. Including the ones he screwed over? No of course not. And that sort of criminal activity is deplorable. And not defending him or any like him or those actions. You can't defend the indefensible. But many people worked for him for many years and provided for their families with their wages. Which they would not have had without his stores. And phillip green wouldnt have made his millions without so many people working so diligently for him. I'm not sure where this notion comes from ,that if someone employs you, they are somehow doing you a favour. They are paying for your labour " I don't think anyone has mentioned anybody doing anyone a favour. That's your prejudged words not mine. A fair day's work for a fair days pay. Nobody's doing anyone any favours. | |||
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"To control people youve got to scare them Ive always said Covid is not our biggest problem what comes after is Loss of rights Loss of income Loss of Public services Mental health issues Debt bankruptcy homelessness Loss of health services in NHS Loss of right to demonstrate And our future kids gran kids and their kids will be paying While the Rich get Richer And all will be put down to covid The government will say got no money and control you We do not live in a Democracy State we are Like China watered down Remember this post its our future You forgot the loss of the right to smash things up, burn police cars, hurt the people who we need to keep law and order just for the hell of it because we don’t want to get jobs and contribute to society
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I would strongly sugest you read better newspapers and watch better news coverage from a reliable source .
What everyone is very conveniently glossing over is that there are TWO sides to this ..,
Firstly there will always be black flag anarchists and class war types itching to take a pop at the establishment anytime they can .. they are FEW in number yet everyone notices them in the media
Secondly there was a perfectly decent , safe and relatively Covid aware protest that happened on the same day in the same city.
It was PEACEFULL! no violence and everyone well behaved . It was aprotest about something that personally I am also very concerned about .. the loss of civil liberties , to complain about how the government treat me/us and the potential criminality of the right to protest in a peaceful way ..
that really bothers me and makes the Uk a very undesirable place to live in my opinion ..
It bothers me because now the waters are quietish and people are being kept calm by having their money given to them for nothing .. some people have been paid a whole years salary for doing absolutely nothing .. whereas others have not had one penny piece of support and you will notice not rioted or moaned too much about it ..
Eventually Furlough will end, taxes will rise, and other things will happen to the economy that pushes people more than they would like.
that's when people will want to protest, complain and shout about it .. and that is why the government are doing their best to make it illegal to do so now ..
THAT is why people are protesting now ..Peacefully!
I wish some people would look underneath the shiny covers sometimes "So no police vans were set alight? No shop windows smashed? No cops were beaten up?, I agree that it started as a peaceful protest ( even though I think its fuckin stupid in the middle of a pandemic) but it didn't end that way did it?, or do you deny that anyone was hurt, property damaged etc? | |||
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"To control people youve got to scare them Ive always said Covid is not our biggest problem what comes after is Loss of rights Loss of income Loss of Public services Mental health issues Debt bankruptcy homelessness Loss of health services in NHS Loss of right to demonstrate And our future kids gran kids and their kids will be paying While the Rich get Richer And all will be put down to covid The government will say got no money and control you We do not live in a Democracy State we are Like China watered down Remember this post its our future Lol So what rights have we lost? What public services have been lost? What health services have been lost from the NHS? In what ways are the government controlling you? The only thing that is happening right now, is that The World is trying to stop this virus. Cal" The right to protest The right to travel freely just because we can without needing a legitimate reason . The right to not wear a mask whilst in public places The right for private businesses to trade when and where they feel like it. The right to travel internationally | |||
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" And Kim Jon Jung style hair cuts?" They only really work if most people in a country have the same type of hair, or any hair. Could never happen here. Too much variety. | |||
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"To control people youve got to scare them Ive always said Covid is not our biggest problem what comes after is Loss of rights Loss of income Loss of Public services Mental health issues Debt bankruptcy homelessness Loss of health services in NHS Loss of right to demonstrate And our future kids gran kids and their kids will be paying While the Rich get Richer And all will be put down to covid The government will say got no money and control you We do not live in a Democracy State we are Like China watered down Remember this post its our future You forgot the loss of the right to smash things up, burn police cars, hurt the people who we need to keep law and order just for the hell of it because we don’t want to get jobs and contribute to society
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I would strongly sugest you read better newspapers and watch better news coverage from a reliable source .
What everyone is very conveniently glossing over is that there are TWO sides to this ..,
Firstly there will always be black flag anarchists and class war types itching to take a pop at the establishment anytime they can .. they are FEW in number yet everyone notices them in the media
Secondly there was a perfectly decent , safe and relatively Covid aware protest that happened on the same day in the same city.
It was PEACEFULL! no violence and everyone well behaved . It was aprotest about something that personally I am also very concerned about .. the loss of civil liberties , to complain about how the government treat me/us and the potential criminality of the right to protest in a peaceful way ..
that really bothers me and makes the Uk a very undesirable place to live in my opinion ..
It bothers me because now the waters are quietish and people are being kept calm by having their money given to them for nothing .. some people have been paid a whole years salary for doing absolutely nothing .. whereas others have not had one penny piece of support and you will notice not rioted or moaned too much about it ..
Eventually Furlough will end, taxes will rise, and other things will happen to the economy that pushes people more than they would like.
that's when people will want to protest, complain and shout about it .. and that is why the government are doing their best to make it illegal to do so now ..
THAT is why people are protesting now ..Peacefully!
I wish some people would look underneath the shiny covers sometimes
So no police vans were set alight? No shop windows smashed? No cops were beaten up?, I agree that it started as a peaceful protest ( even though I think its fuckin stupid in the middle of a pandemic) but it didn't end that way did it?, or do you deny that anyone was hurt, property damaged etc?"Please re Read my comment. I think it's all explained in there.. Thanks | |||
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"To control people youve got to scare them Ive always said Covid is not our biggest problem what comes after is Loss of rights Loss of income Loss of Public services Mental health issues Debt bankruptcy homelessness Loss of health services in NHS Loss of right to demonstrate And our future kids gran kids and their kids will be paying While the Rich get Richer And all will be put down to covid The government will say got no money and control you We do not live in a Democracy State we are Like China watered down Remember this post its our future Lol So what rights have we lost? What public services have been lost? What health services have been lost from the NHS? In what ways are the government controlling you? The only thing that is happening right now, is that The World is trying to stop this virus. Cal The right to protest The right to travel freely just because we can without needing a legitimate reason . The right to not wear a mask whilst in public places The right for private businesses to trade when and where they feel like it. The right to travel internationally " You are not required to wear masks in public places, businesses have never been able to trade when & where they feel like it...licenced trades, Sunday trading etc | |||
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"What à cheery person you not!!! Remind me never to meet up with you and start a conversation. This is why I don't read newspapers or social media, fab was meant to be a fun site, to escape the pandemic, there is no escape it appears from the conspirators and their made up NONSENSE. I Would love to see how you would manage a global pandemic "fact | |||
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Someone is from another planet
I would strongly sugest you read better newspapers and watch better news coverage from a reliable source .
What everyone is very conveniently glossing over is that there are TWO sides to this ..,
Firstly there will always be black flag anarchists and class war types itching to take a pop at the establishment anytime they can .. they are FEW in number yet everyone notices them in the media
Secondly there was a perfectly decent , safe and relatively Covid aware protest that happened on the same day in the same city.
It was PEACEFULL! no violence and everyone well behaved . It was aprotest about something that personally I am also very concerned about .. the loss of civil liberties , to complain about how the government treat me/us and the potential criminality of the right to protest in a peaceful way ..
that really bothers me and makes the Uk a very undesirable place to live in my opinion ..
It bothers me because now the waters are quietish and people are being kept calm by having their money given to them for nothing .. some people have been paid a whole years salary for doing absolutely nothing .. whereas others have not had one penny piece of support and you will notice not rioted or moaned too much about it ..
Eventually Furlough will end, taxes will rise, and other things will happen to the economy that pushes people more than they would like.
that's when people will want to protest, complain and shout about it .. and that is why the government are doing their best to make it illegal to do so now ..
THAT is why people are protesting now ..Peacefully!
I wish some people would look underneath the shiny covers sometimes
So no police vans were set alight? No shop windows smashed? No cops were beaten up?, I agree that it started as a peaceful protest ( even though I think its fuckin stupid in the middle of a pandemic) but it didn't end that way did it?, or do you deny that anyone was hurt, property damaged etc?
Please re Read my comment. I think it's all explained in there.. Thanks "Yeah I have re read your post but in my opinion you are wrong, you seem to just pass off everything that happened that day as nothing because some were peaceful, those that are protesting are putting others at risk and prolonging this whole situation, and in my opinion have no regard for those risking there lives to help save us. Its not that I don't believe in protesting and standing up for our rights but I have seen my young daughter look like she has aged 10 yrs in the last 12 months whilst she is fighting to save peoples lives in hospital and I just wish that people sometimes would think of others a bit more than just themselves. | |||
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"To control people youve got to scare them Ive always said Covid is not our biggest problem what comes after is Loss of rights Loss of income Loss of Public services Mental health issues Debt bankruptcy homelessness Loss of health services in NHS Loss of right to demonstrate And our future kids gran kids and their kids will be paying While the Rich get Richer And all will be put down to covid The government will say got no money and control you We do not live in a Democracy State we are Like China watered down Remember this post its our future Lol So what rights have we lost? What public services have been lost? What health services have been lost from the NHS? In what ways are the government controlling you? The only thing that is happening right now, is that The World is trying to stop this virus. Cal The right to protest The right to travel freely just because we can without needing a legitimate reason . The right to not wear a mask whilst in public places The right for private businesses to trade when and where they feel like it. The right to travel internationally You are not required to wear masks in public places, businesses have never been able to trade when & where they feel like it...licenced trades, Sunday trading etc" | |||
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"Will you remember this post when all this doom mongering comes to nothing?" **************************************** I'll tell you a true story..... Some time back, I was skipping through the forum, especially the 'virus' and 'politics' sections. For some time, I had been aware of certain incredible and plainly crackpot postings, both as original posts or replies to existing threads, on a wide variety of topics. After a time and at a particular browsing session which contained more than the usual incredulity, I decided to 'copy and paste' the best of the worst into my iphone 'notes' app. Well, after only a couple of months practising my new hobby, I was both stunned and amazed at these pickings and, in a flash of my (usual) 'gung-ho mischievous' spirit I determined to print out enough of these gems.... BUT.... without any evidence of the original posters and I assembled them all in a folder. I had my good friends peruse this latter day blend of both 'Comic Cutz' and 'Penny Dreadful' and their reactions alone were worth all my time spent in the collecting.....!! I eventually burned the lot, fearing their discovery in case of my 'sudden demise', so to speak, when my loved ones would have to organise the huge task of sorting through all my 'stuff'....!! (Rather more than normal in the clothing department due to my nature, of which all my good friends and family are perfectly happy with.....!)  | |||
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"Ah but how would Corbyn have done better? Just thought I would add this to the pot.. i suspect he would have swindled considerably less then the money loving people hating Tories. Less, not nothing, Hence why Scotland must part ways with the heavily corrupted WM.More bollocks " Your well balanced, thoughtful, insightful and excellently worded argument has entriely changed my opinion. | |||
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"I do wonder sometimes . People on here state about freedoms of speech etc being taken away. Perhaps they should look at countries such as China and a few others. This site would not exist. Plus look at the reporters who have gone “ missing “ reporting about covid there. Internet is controlled etc. " There are no freedomof speech rights in the UK, people think there are because they watch tv and movies, there are not. | |||
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"Will you remember this post when all this doom mongering comes to nothing?" Will you remember your post when you realize the government has failed to feed and provide housing etc due to lack of funds, yet has managed to pay 80% of the wages of the most of the country | |||
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"To control people youve got to scare them Ive always said Covid is not our biggest problem what comes after is Loss of rights Loss of income Loss of Public services Mental health issues Debt bankruptcy homelessness Loss of health services in NHS Loss of right to demonstrate And our future kids gran kids and their kids will be paying While the Rich get Richer And all will be put down to covid The government will say got no money and control you We do not live in a Democracy State we are Like China watered down Remember this post its our future You forgot the loss of the right to smash things up, burn police cars, hurt the people who we need to keep law and order just for the hell of it because we don’t want to get jobs and contribute to society
Someone is from another planet
I would strongly sugest you read better newspapers and watch better news coverage from a reliable source .
What everyone is very conveniently glossing over is that there are TWO sides to this ..,
Firstly there will always be black flag anarchists and class war types itching to take a pop at the establishment anytime they can .. they are FEW in number yet everyone notices them in the media
Secondly there was a perfectly decent , safe and relatively Covid aware protest that happened on the same day in the same city.
It was PEACEFULL! no violence and everyone well behaved . It was aprotest about something that personally I am also very concerned about .. the loss of civil liberties , to complain about how the government treat me/us and the potential criminality of the right to protest in a peaceful way ..
that really bothers me and makes the Uk a very undesirable place to live in my opinion ..
It bothers me because now the waters are quietish and people are being kept calm by having their money given to them for nothing .. some people have been paid a whole years salary for doing absolutely nothing .. whereas others have not had one penny piece of support and you will notice not rioted or moaned too much about it ..
Eventually Furlough will end, taxes will rise, and other things will happen to the economy that pushes people more than they would like.
that's when people will want to protest, complain and shout about it .. and that is why the government are doing their best to make it illegal to do so now ..
THAT is why people are protesting now ..Peacefully!
I wish some people would look underneath the shiny covers sometimes
So no police vans were set alight? No shop windows smashed? No cops were beaten up?, I agree that it started as a peaceful protest ( even though I think its fuckin stupid in the middle of a pandemic) but it didn't end that way did it?, or do you deny that anyone was hurt, property damaged etc?
Please re Read my comment. I think it's all explained in there.. Thanks
Yeah I have re read your post but in my opinion you are wrong, you seem to just pass off everything that happened that day as nothing because some were peaceful, those that are protesting are putting others at risk and prolonging this whole situation, and in my opinion have no regard for those risking there lives to help save us. Its not that I don't believe in protesting and standing up for our rights but I have seen my young daughter look like she has aged 10 yrs in the last 12 months whilst she is fighting to save peoples lives in hospital and I just wish that people sometimes would think of others a bit more than just themselves."Then it could be that my writing needs to be improved? What I am doing is stating a Firm case for legal protest.. So I'm not trying to ' pass anything off' The Minority... Small number of protestors are ruining it for the good ones.. The ones following the rules, wearing masks.. Did you see them? Hundreds of them!so I am defending their right to do it.. Whether anyone likes it or notb.. Change is coming and people have a right to protest about it peacefully and safely.. Sadly if they don't do it now they won't get the chance to before the bill is passed.. Otherwise I'm sure they would wait. Final point You say your child is fighting in the NHS which is doubtless a tough and noble thing to do and deserves respect But here's a thought.. The slow dismantling of the NHS and the fact that it is understaffed and underfunded will also lead to problems in the future.. If the govt get their way people can't protest or complain and ultimately it could mean your child remains poorly paid, resourced and even made redundant And people are going to need to be able to complain about that on the streets are they not Or do you think a 5k fine or 3 month prison sentence and criminal record is justified? | |||
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" Have no trouble with the "Rich" but now it is getting rather silly the level of wealth and hence power some have ?? and if you work hard and come up with a good idea all power to you !! and we do need to have a grown up conversation soon though about how we'd like "Society" to be ?? or like it to be ?? and Frank Sinatra always mused on the fact that when you are down and out you got hardly anything given to help you out ...but as soon as you made it you got everything given to you for free ?? "That is what the 51st world economic forum in Davos was all about, "The great reset". Before anyone starts shouting conspiracy theorist garbage, google it. | |||
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"Will you remember this post when all this doom mongering comes to nothing? Will you remember your post when you realize the government has failed to feed and provide housing etc due to lack of funds, yet has managed to pay 80% of the wages of the most of the country " I didn't realise it was the govts job to feed me and provide my housing. Wow I've been working all these years when I really didn't need to. | |||
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"The rich get richer because they are up before you. Putting in the hours while you clock off on time. Still work at home when not on site while your watching TV. Everyone moans and bitches about rich people but fact is most of them got off their backsides and did something about it instead of the 'just eat' lazy fuckwits who spend majority of there time slagging off on Facebook sitting on Sofa with the PlayStation. " Not read beyond this point so not sure if anyone else responded by two pence is... You are partly right and partly wrong. There are two types of rich people (generally) 1. Self made who will fit the description you give above. Hard work and talent = reward for them (although there are subsets within this and a fair few exploited workers to generate their fortunes - one example being Philip Green) 2. Inherited wealth. These people tend, for the most part to have a sense of entitlement based on very little action undertaken by themselves. Their privilege and social contacts provide opportunities not afforded to 95% of the population. Guess which group the majority (not all) of our current government ministers and cronies come from? | |||
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"I'm not sure how this morphed intoa hate the rich thread. But I will only say this. Be careful what you wish for. If "the rich" decide to take their innovations and companies elsewhere, who will own and motivate and run the companies that generate lots of jobs for us lot. Not all rich people are bent tax dodging unscrupulous nepotists. Most work hard, provide opportunities for others and pay more tax than most of us can imagine. There are some of course who are not that way.. But then there are plenty of the lazy, scrounging, or criminal element whether rich or poor. "
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" Have no trouble with the "Rich" but now it is getting rather silly the level of wealth and hence power some have ?? and if you work hard and come up with a good idea all power to you !! and we do need to have a grown up conversation soon though about how we'd like "Society" to be ?? or like it to be ?? and Frank Sinatra always mused on the fact that when you are down and out you got hardly anything given to help you out ...but as soon as you made it you got everything given to you for free ??
That is what the 51st world economic forum in Davos was all about, "The great reset".
Before anyone starts shouting conspiracy theorist garbage, google it.
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"To control people youve got to scare them Ive always said Covid is not our biggest problem what comes after is Loss of rights Loss of income Loss of Public services Mental health issues Debt bankruptcy homelessness Loss of health services in NHS Loss of right to demonstrate And our future kids gran kids and their kids will be paying While the Rich get Richer And all will be put down to covid The government will say got no money and control you We do not live in a Democracy State we are Like China watered down Remember this post its our future Hey.. It's not all bad. However, a lot of what you say is either true or likely to be. The key concern is on two levels I think. Firstly that the temporary measures we are under and will be under remain just temporary. Things like travel and how we live at the moment can't realistically last too long. Clearly a lot of people are living in what they see as a secure bubble financially and getting furlough payments to keep them going. That won't last and eventually there is going to be a huge reality check when people are told there's no more money many will have a different attitude..I can forsee then the second problem emerging The right to protest, complain or get upset will have been taken away and become a criminal offence.. Meaning whatever the government do no one can say anything against it, act against it or try to change it. So people will have to put up with it until there is a change in government through the ballot box. Lastly and judging from the replies on here already too many blinkered people thinking a government will bring in temporary bills to change things.. You watch.. A lot of the new rules and versions of their new world order will remain permanently etched into law.. Just tiny bits of our democratic rights as citizens taken away with the intent of making everyone a subject and thus more controllable.. It will take time but the Tory party are absolutely going to try and control the population far more than any government ever has before.. Should we be worried? Probably very worried but right now no one cares because its all being done to keep us safe from Covid.. One day that won't be the case. I wonder what their excuse will be then? " | |||
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"It's a revelation sometimes here, as you see the spectrum of differences amongst people. A brief point, highlighting the importance of being able to protest, to make clear our disquiet etc, would probably have had most people agreeing that such a right is what marks out a good democracy. It's when the forum gets flooded with all manner of sheeple-busting posts and threads, covering facets of this and with much hyperbole, that unnecessary division and tension gets established. " Youre right. I think a lot of so called debate on here is people saying what they want to say and just keep on repeating it.. And inflating it with hyperbole. Rather than following the thread of then discussion. There is usually more that unites us than divides us. | |||
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"To control people youve got to scare them Ive always said Covid is not our biggest problem what comes after is Loss of rights Loss of income Loss of Public services Mental health issues Debt bankruptcy homelessness Loss of health services in NHS Loss of right to demonstrate And our future kids gran kids and their kids will be paying While the Rich get Richer And all will be put down to covid The government will say got no money and control you We do not live in a Democracy State we are Like China watered down Remember this post its our future Hey.. It's not all bad. However, a lot of what you say is either true or likely to be. The key concern is on two levels I think. Firstly that the temporary measures we are under and will be under remain just temporary. Things like travel and how we live at the moment can't realistically last too long. Clearly a lot of people are living in what they see as a secure bubble financially and getting furlough payments to keep them going. That won't last and eventually there is going to be a huge reality check when people are told there's no more money many will have a different attitude..I can forsee then the second problem emerging The right to protest, complain or get upset will have been taken away and become a criminal offence.. Meaning whatever the government do no one can say anything against it, act against it or try to change it. So people will have to put up with it until there is a change in government through the ballot box. Lastly and judging from the replies on here already too many blinkered people thinking a government will bring in temporary bills to change things.. You watch.. A lot of the new rules and versions of their new world order will remain permanently etched into law.. Just tiny bits of our democratic rights as citizens taken away with the intent of making everyone a subject and thus more controllable.. It will take time but the Tory party are absolutely going to try and control the population far more than any government ever has before.. Should we be worried? Probably very worried but right now no one cares because its all being done to keep us safe from Covid.. One day that won't be the case. I wonder what their excuse will be then? "Think almost all Governments love control after all that’s why most politicians are in the game along with power ,giving up long hard fought for freedoms is a mugs game as you can bet they won’t want to give it back | |||
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"I do wonder sometimes . People on here state about freedoms of speech etc being taken away. Perhaps they should look at countries such as China and a few others. This site would not exist. Plus look at the reporters who have gone “ missing “ reporting about covid there. Internet is controlled etc. There are no freedomof speech rights in the UK, people think there are because they watch tv and movies, there are not. Please explain.. I already did, the UK has no freedom of speech, its an American thing. You mean as we have no written constitution? To be fair it seems pretty clear the guy doesn't have a clue so asking for an explanation is a fool's errand If you mean I dont have a clue, i look forward to you educating me by providing proof of our Right to free speech. When you do I will happily apologise for my lack of knowledge, (no one ccan know everything), however when you fail, i will also expect an apology. It worries the shit out of me that a grown adult is debating/disagreeing on whether the people in the UK have a right to free speech when we live in a democracy and that kind of suggests it doesn't it? For clarity it's called freedom of expression and it does have limits ( no heckling and some other stuff I can't remember ) but largely it allows any UK national the right to express themselves in public openly, freely about something they kind of want to freely express! Without being heckled!! So yes I would say the UK has a right to free speech " That was my thinking, combined with the human rights act, which is why I asked for an explanation of our lack of free speech so that I could understand where I was incorrect. | |||
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"To control people youve got to scare them Ive always said Covid is not our biggest problem what comes after is Loss of rights Loss of income Loss of Public services Mental health issues Debt bankruptcy homelessness Loss of health services in NHS Loss of right to demonstrate And our future kids gran kids and their kids will be paying While the Rich get Richer And all will be put down to covid The government will say got no money and control you We do not live in a Democracy State we are Like China watered down Remember this post its our future " The biggest fear is the fear of not being in control of the fears that one may loose something. The problem is the confusion about what one is loosing. There are a lot of confused people about. | |||
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"Now I need to have an explanation as to how freedom of speech isn’t included in freedom of expression. I see what you say about the explicit difference in the words speech & expression, but the implication seems to be that I could express my opposition through the medium of dance & be fine, but speak about it & trouble would ensue." It's interesting because notionally we believe we are free to say or write what we want. But we aren't. I don't think there are many if any countries that are. There are caveats (laws actually) that prohibit saying things which are racist, sexist, homophobic and lots of other areas are protected. Defamation... Sedition... Encouraging terrorism. It kind of makes sense...but at the same time depends how you understand that lovely epithet "freedom of speech / expression". | |||
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"Now I need to have an explanation as to how freedom of speech isn’t included in freedom of expression. I see what you say about the explicit difference in the words speech & expression, but the implication seems to be that I could express my opposition through the medium of dance & be fine, but speak about it & trouble would ensue. It's interesting because notionally we believe we are free to say or write what we want. But we aren't. I don't think there are many if any countries that are. There are caveats (laws actually) that prohibit saying things which are racist, sexist, homophobic and lots of other areas are protected. Defamation... Sedition... Encouraging terrorism. It kind of makes sense...but at the same time depends how you understand that lovely epithet "freedom of speech / expression". " Agreed, we have a qualified ‘freedom of speech’ not the same as not having freedom of speech. | |||
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"Now I need to have an explanation as to how freedom of speech isn’t included in freedom of expression. I see what you say about the explicit difference in the words speech & expression, but the implication seems to be that I could express my opposition through the medium of dance & be fine, but speak about it & trouble would ensue. It's interesting because notionally we believe we are free to say or write what we want. But we aren't. I don't think there are many if any countries that are. There are caveats (laws actually) that prohibit saying things which are racist, sexist, homophobic and lots of other areas are protected. Defamation... Sedition... Encouraging terrorism. It kind of makes sense...but at the same time depends how you understand that lovely epithet "freedom of speech / expression". Agreed, we have a qualified ‘freedom of speech’ not the same as not having freedom of speech." Is it though.? As to me freedom of speech always implies and is used by people who think they can say anything. When it is not the case at all. I couldn't stand in the street and start saying racist stuff... Ergo I have am not free to say anything. Its a little semantic but I think many watch a bit too much American TV. (where all cops are young fit and sexy etc) | |||
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"I do wonder sometimes . People on here state about freedoms of speech etc being taken away. Perhaps they should look at countries such as China and a few others. This site would not exist. Plus look at the reporters who have gone “ missing “ reporting about covid there. Internet is controlled etc. There are no freedomof speech rights in the UK, people think there are because they watch tv and movies, there are not. Please explain.. I already did, the UK has no freedom of speech, its an American thing. He’s right we don’t have freedom of speech but freedom of expression with the right to do so governed by law and its restrictions and penalties Perhaps I should have put a bit more in first post. If in this country and on here someone say Boris is a insert your own name adjective etc . Or show on placard in London . Person may get warning etc. Do that in China and say same about the leader there and person would not be seen again. Correct me if I am wrong . " Very true, from what i hear and read. | |||
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"I do wonder sometimes . People on here state about freedoms of speech etc being taken away. Perhaps they should look at countries such as China and a few others. This site would not exist. Plus look at the reporters who have gone “ missing “ reporting about covid there. Internet is controlled etc. There are no freedomof speech rights in the UK, people think there are because they watch tv and movies, there are not. Please explain.. I already did, the UK has no freedom of speech, its an American thing. You mean as we have no written constitution? To be fair it seems pretty clear the guy doesn't have a clue so asking for an explanation is a fool's errand If you mean I dont have a clue, i look forward to you educating me by providing proof of our Right to free speech. When you do I will happily apologise for my lack of knowledge, (no one ccan know everything), however when you fail, i will also expect an apology. It worries the shit out of me that a grown adult is debating/disagreeing on whether the people in the UK have a right to free speech when we live in a democracy and that kind of suggests it doesn't it? For clarity it's called freedom of expression and it does have limits ( no heckling and some other stuff I can't remember ) but largely it allows any UK national the right to express themselves in public openly, freely about something they kind of want to freely express! Without being heckled!! So yes I would say the UK has a right to free speech I said no freedom pf speech. you answered, we have freedom of expression, which is not the same. I also said people confuse American laws and uk laws and many think we do have freedom of speech. Seriously? No its not different.. Have a day off maybe?. " It's different because it is not called freedom of speech. also if someone decides to take offence at something you say, you can be fined or imprisoned. that is not freedom. | |||
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"I do wonder sometimes . People on here state about freedoms of speech etc being taken away. Perhaps they should look at countries such as China and a few others. This site would not exist. Plus look at the reporters who have gone “ missing “ reporting about covid there. Internet is controlled etc. There are no freedomof speech rights in the UK, people think there are because they watch tv and movies, there are not. Please explain.. I already did, the UK has no freedom of speech, its an American thing. You mean as we have no written constitution? To be fair it seems pretty clear the guy doesn't have a clue so asking for an explanation is a fool's errand If you mean I dont have a clue, i look forward to you educating me by providing proof of our Right to free speech. When you do I will happily apologise for my lack of knowledge, (no one ccan know everything), however when you fail, i will also expect an apology. It worries the shit out of me that a grown adult is debating/disagreeing on whether the people in the UK have a right to free speech when we live in a democracy and that kind of suggests it doesn't it? For clarity it's called freedom of expression and it does have limits ( no heckling and some other stuff I can't remember ) but largely it allows any UK national the right to express themselves in public openly, freely about something they kind of want to freely express! Without being heckled!! So yes I would say the UK has a right to free speech I said no freedom pf speech. you answered, we have freedom of expression, which is not the same. I also said people confuse American laws and uk laws and many think we do have freedom of speech. Seriously? No its not different.. Have a day off maybe?. It's different because it is not called freedom of speech. also if someone decides to take offence at something you say, you can be fined or imprisoned. that is not freedom." ... Lose your job, cancelled et al. Aye there's the rub. | |||
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"I do wonder sometimes . People on here state about freedoms of speech etc being taken away. Perhaps they should look at countries such as China and a few others. This site would not exist. Plus look at the reporters who have gone “ missing “ reporting about covid there. Internet is controlled etc. There are no freedomof speech rights in the UK, people think there are because they watch tv and movies, there are not. Please explain.. I already did, the UK has no freedom of speech, its an American thing. You mean as we have no written constitution? To be fair it seems pretty clear the guy doesn't have a clue so asking for an explanation is a fool's errand If you mean I dont have a clue, i look forward to you educating me by providing proof of our Right to free speech. When you do I will happily apologise for my lack of knowledge, (no one ccan know everything), however when you fail, i will also expect an apology. It worries the shit out of me that a grown adult is debating/disagreeing on whether the people in the UK have a right to free speech when we live in a democracy and that kind of suggests it doesn't it? For clarity it's called freedom of expression and it does have limits ( no heckling and some other stuff I can't remember ) but largely it allows any UK national the right to express themselves in public openly, freely about something they kind of want to freely express! Without being heckled!! So yes I would say the UK has a right to free speech I said no freedom pf speech. you answered, we have freedom of expression, which is not the same. I also said people confuse American laws and uk laws and many think we do have freedom of speech. Seriously? No its not different.. Have a day off maybe?. It's different because it is not called freedom of speech. also if someone decides to take offence at something you say, you can be fined or imprisoned. that is not freedom." 1. Speech is a form of expression 2. Freedom of speech isn't freedom from consequence, and it isn't a matter of someone deciding to take offence. There are limits on free speech in the UK, just as there are in the US. Ask Snowden or Assange about that. | |||
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"I do wonder sometimes . People on here state about freedoms of speech etc being taken away. Perhaps they should look at countries such as China and a few others. This site would not exist. Plus look at the reporters who have gone “ missing “ reporting about covid there. Internet is controlled etc. There are no freedomof speech rights in the UK, people think there are because they watch tv and movies, there are not. Please explain.. I already did, the UK has no freedom of speech, its an American thing. You mean as we have no written constitution? To be fair it seems pretty clear the guy doesn't have a clue so asking for an explanation is a fool's errand If you mean I dont have a clue, i look forward to you educating me by providing proof of our Right to free speech. When you do I will happily apologise for my lack of knowledge, (no one ccan know everything), however when you fail, i will also expect an apology. It worries the shit out of me that a grown adult is debating/disagreeing on whether the people in the UK have a right to free speech when we live in a democracy and that kind of suggests it doesn't it? For clarity it's called freedom of expression and it does have limits ( no heckling and some other stuff I can't remember ) but largely it allows any UK national the right to express themselves in public openly, freely about something they kind of want to freely express! Without being heckled!! So yes I would say the UK has a right to free speech I said no freedom pf speech. you answered, we have freedom of expression, which is not the same. I also said people confuse American laws and uk laws and many think we do have freedom of speech. Seriously? No its not different.. Have a day off maybe?. It's different because it is not called freedom of speech. also if someone decides to take offence at something you say, you can be fined or imprisoned. that is not freedom. 1. Speech is a form of expression 2. Freedom of speech isn't freedom from consequence, and it isn't a matter of someone deciding to take offence. There are limits on free speech in the UK, just as there are in the US. Ask Snowden or Assange about that. " Anyone can say they are offended by anything. Assange and Snowden leaked confidential information, te legends that theu are. which is a bit different | |||
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"I do wonder sometimes . People on here state about freedoms of speech etc being taken away. Perhaps they should look at countries such as China and a few others. This site would not exist. Plus look at the reporters who have gone “ missing “ reporting about covid there. Internet is controlled etc. There are no freedomof speech rights in the UK, people think there are because they watch tv and movies, there are not. Please explain.. I already did, the UK has no freedom of speech, its an American thing. You mean as we have no written constitution? To be fair it seems pretty clear the guy doesn't have a clue so asking for an explanation is a fool's errand If you mean I dont have a clue, i look forward to you educating me by providing proof of our Right to free speech. When you do I will happily apologise for my lack of knowledge, (no one ccan know everything), however when you fail, i will also expect an apology. It worries the shit out of me that a grown adult is debating/disagreeing on whether the people in the UK have a right to free speech when we live in a democracy and that kind of suggests it doesn't it? For clarity it's called freedom of expression and it does have limits ( no heckling and some other stuff I can't remember ) but largely it allows any UK national the right to express themselves in public openly, freely about something they kind of want to freely express! Without being heckled!! So yes I would say the UK has a right to free speech I said no freedom pf speech. you answered, we have freedom of expression, which is not the same. I also said people confuse American laws and uk laws and many think we do have freedom of speech. Seriously? No its not different.. Have a day off maybe?. It's different because it is not called freedom of speech. also if someone decides to take offence at something you say, you can be fined or imprisoned. that is not freedom. 1. Speech is a form of expression 2. Freedom of speech isn't freedom from consequence, and it isn't a matter of someone deciding to take offence. There are limits on free speech in the UK, just as there are in the US. Ask Snowden or Assange about that. Anyone can say they are offended by anything. Assange and Snowden leaked confidential information, te legends that theu are. which is a bit different " You can say you're offended but no one is getting prosecuted unless the law has been broken and a judge finds you guilty... So we're not free to leak confidential information? Glad you accept there are limits to free speech as well | |||
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"I do wonder sometimes . People on here state about freedoms of speech etc being taken away. Perhaps they should look at countries such as China and a few others. This site would not exist. Plus look at the reporters who have gone “ missing “ reporting about covid there. Internet is controlled etc. There are no freedomof speech rights in the UK, people think there are because they watch tv and movies, there are not. Please explain.. I already did, the UK has no freedom of speech, its an American thing. You mean as we have no written constitution? To be fair it seems pretty clear the guy doesn't have a clue so asking for an explanation is a fool's errand If you mean I dont have a clue, i look forward to you educating me by providing proof of our Right to free speech. When you do I will happily apologise for my lack of knowledge, (no one ccan know everything), however when you fail, i will also expect an apology. It worries the shit out of me that a grown adult is debating/disagreeing on whether the people in the UK have a right to free speech when we live in a democracy and that kind of suggests it doesn't it? For clarity it's called freedom of expression and it does have limits ( no heckling and some other stuff I can't remember ) but largely it allows any UK national the right to express themselves in public openly, freely about something they kind of want to freely express! Without being heckled!! So yes I would say the UK has a right to free speech I said no freedom pf speech. you answered, we have freedom of expression, which is not the same. I also said people confuse American laws and uk laws and many think we do have freedom of speech. Seriously? No its not different.. Have a day off maybe?. It's different because it is not called freedom of speech. also if someone decides to take offence at something you say, you can be fined or imprisoned. that is not freedom. 1. Speech is a form of expression 2. Freedom of speech isn't freedom from consequence, and it isn't a matter of someone deciding to take offence. There are limits on free speech in the UK, just as there are in the US. Ask Snowden or Assange about that. Anyone can say they are offended by anything. Assange and Snowden leaked confidential information, te legends that theu are. which is a bit different You can say you're offended but no one is getting prosecuted unless the law has been broken and a judge finds you guilty... So we're not free to leak confidential information? Glad you accept there are limits to free speech as well "They were matters of national secuirty. | |||
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I think people genuinely don't realise that disagreement or thinking something is inappropriate isn't curtailing their free speech. It's a reaction.
And yeah, the right to blab confidential information would exist with unlimited free speech. All speech has limits in every place. Imagine that. The tyranny "The ideological principle of freedom of information , actually gives rights to information to be free. Why does a progressive forward thinking society need secrets , how does it benefit us a a species to keep secrets? | |||
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" You can say you're offended but no one is getting prosecuted unless the law has been broken and a judge finds you guilty... So we're not free to leak confidential information? Glad you accept there are limits to free speech as well
I think people genuinely don't realise that disagreement or thinking something is inappropriate isn't curtailing their free speech. It's a reaction.
And yeah, the right to blab confidential information would exist with unlimited free speech. All speech has limits in every place. Imagine that. The tyranny
The ideological principle of freedom of information , actually gives rights to information to be free. Why does a progressive forward thinking society need secrets , how does it benefit us a a species to keep secrets? "Reasons of securoty which i agree with. reasons of profit for those in the know, which i dont. | |||
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" You can say you're offended but no one is getting prosecuted unless the law has been broken and a judge finds you guilty... So we're not free to leak confidential information? Glad you accept there are limits to free speech as well
I think people genuinely don't realise that disagreement or thinking something is inappropriate isn't curtailing their free speech. It's a reaction.
And yeah, the right to blab confidential information would exist with unlimited free speech. All speech has limits in every place. Imagine that. The tyranny
The ideological principle of freedom of information , actually gives rights to information to be free. Why does a progressive forward thinking society need secrets , how does it benefit us a a species to keep secrets?
Reasons of securoty which i agree with. reasons of profit for those in the know, which i dont. "I thought you said people were being jailed after others claim to be offended. What has profit got to do with it? | |||
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" You can say you're offended but no one is getting prosecuted unless the law has been broken and a judge finds you guilty... So we're not free to leak confidential information? Glad you accept there are limits to free speech as well
I think people genuinely don't realise that disagreement or thinking something is inappropriate isn't curtailing their free speech. It's a reaction.
And yeah, the right to blab confidential information would exist with unlimited free speech. All speech has limits in every place. Imagine that. The tyranny
The ideological principle of freedom of information , actually gives rights to information to be free. Why does a progressive forward thinking society need secrets , how does it benefit us a a species to keep secrets? "There are plenty of ideological principles with limitations in real life. | |||
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"Not closing airports or isolating arrivals to the uk was dithering boris,s worst mistake ,not acting promptly his second,corbyn was never in control so is not relevant ,Starmer is more methodical and would probably done things on a evidence based manner.We will see how bad it has been handled at inquiry but its too late as boris leave or be forced out fairly soon" I tend to agree. I saw a piece about Angela Merkel u turning over easter lockdowns. If the report is to be believed (and its a big if) she said... "I made a mistake, I got it wrong, I ask for the German people's forgiveness"... Now its election season in Germany, she's a politician and I can't stand her..... But...I'd much rather at times he just came out and said... Yeah I fucked up... But can't go back in time so I've learned from my mistakes... Sorry please forgive me and allow me to do my best for you to get us through"... Or similar... Than the bullshit of.. "we did the best we could with what we knew at the time" which is true in some cases and patently untrue in others. | |||
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"Not closing airports or isolating arrivals to the uk was dithering boris,s worst mistake ,not acting promptly his second,corbyn was never in control so is not relevant ,Starmer is more methodical and would probably done things on a evidence based manner.We will see how bad it has been handled at inquiry but its too late as boris leave or be forced out fairly soon I tend to agree. I saw a piece about Angela Merkel u turning over easter lockdowns. If the report is to be believed (and its a big if) she said... "I made a mistake, I got it wrong, I ask for the German people's forgiveness"... Now its election season in Germany, she's a politician and I can't stand her..... But...I'd much rather at times he just came out and said... Yeah I fucked up... But can't go back in time so I've learned from my mistakes... Sorry please forgive me and allow me to do my best for you to get us through"... Or similar... Than the bullshit of.. "we did the best we could with what we knew at the time" which is true in some cases and patently untrue in others. " It's no 'if'. I watched the coverage of her speech, where she basically said "I am sorry, I made a mistake, I hope the people will forgive me". | |||
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"Not closing airports or isolating arrivals to the uk was dithering boris,s worst mistake ,not acting promptly his second,corbyn was never in control so is not relevant ,Starmer is more methodical and would probably done things on a evidence based manner.We will see how bad it has been handled at inquiry but its too late as boris leave or be forced out fairly soon" With a fat pension sadly | |||
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"Not closing airports or isolating arrivals to the uk was dithering boris,s worst mistake ,not acting promptly his second,corbyn was never in control so is not relevant ,Starmer is more methodical and would probably done things on a evidence based manner.We will see how bad it has been handled at inquiry but its too late as boris leave or be forced out fairly soon I tend to agree. I saw a piece about Angela Merkel u turning over easter lockdowns. If the report is to be believed (and its a big if) she said... "I made a mistake, I got it wrong, I ask for the German people's forgiveness"... Now its election season in Germany, she's a politician and I can't stand her..... But...I'd much rather at times he just came out and said... Yeah I fucked up... But can't go back in time so I've learned from my mistakes... Sorry please forgive me and allow me to do my best for you to get us through"... Or similar... Than the bullshit of.. "we did the best we could with what we knew at the time" which is true in some cases and patently untrue in others. It's no 'if'. I watched the coverage of her speech, where she basically said "I am sorry, I made a mistake, I hope the people will forgive me"." OK, well kudos to her. I much rather hear that than more bullshit. | |||
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"Not closing airports or isolating arrivals to the uk was dithering boris,s worst mistake ,not acting promptly his second,corbyn was never in control so is not relevant ,Starmer is more methodical and would probably done things on a evidence based manner.We will see how bad it has been handled at inquiry but its too late as boris leave or be forced out fairly soon I tend to agree. I saw a piece about Angela Merkel u turning over easter lockdowns. If the report is to be believed (and its a big if) she said... "I made a mistake, I got it wrong, I ask for the German people's forgiveness"... Now its election season in Germany, she's a politician and I can't stand her..... But...I'd much rather at times he just came out and said... Yeah I fucked up... But can't go back in time so I've learned from my mistakes... Sorry please forgive me and allow me to do my best for you to get us through"... Or similar... Than the bullshit of.. "we did the best we could with what we knew at the time" which is true in some cases and patently untrue in others. " Isn't Angela Merkel retiring soon? | |||
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"Not closing airports or isolating arrivals to the uk was dithering boris,s worst mistake ,not acting promptly his second,corbyn was never in control so is not relevant ,Starmer is more methodical and would probably done things on a evidence based manner.We will see how bad it has been handled at inquiry but its too late as boris leave or be forced out fairly soon I tend to agree. I saw a piece about Angela Merkel u turning over easter lockdowns. If the report is to be believed (and its a big if) she said... "I made a mistake, I got it wrong, I ask for the German people's forgiveness"... Now its election season in Germany, she's a politician and I can't stand her..... But...I'd much rather at times he just came out and said... Yeah I fucked up... But can't go back in time so I've learned from my mistakes... Sorry please forgive me and allow me to do my best for you to get us through"... Or similar... Than the bullshit of.. "we did the best we could with what we knew at the time" which is true in some cases and patently untrue in others. Isn't Angela Merkel retiring soon?" Yes, she's retiring, so the country will have a different person taking her role. I really liked her sincere and full apology. We don't even get half-hearted ones. It's human to make mistakes and essential to recognise them, to learn from them. Much better than spaffing some Latin over the plebs and carrying on blinkered as ever. | |||
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"Not closing airports or isolating arrivals to the uk was dithering boris,s worst mistake ,not acting promptly his second,corbyn was never in control so is not relevant ,Starmer is more methodical and would probably done things on a evidence based manner.We will see how bad it has been handled at inquiry but its too late as boris leave or be forced out fairly soon I tend to agree. I saw a piece about Angela Merkel u turning over easter lockdowns. If the report is to be believed (and its a big if) she said... "I made a mistake, I got it wrong, I ask for the German people's forgiveness"... Now its election season in Germany, she's a politician and I can't stand her..... But...I'd much rather at times he just came out and said... Yeah I fucked up... But can't go back in time so I've learned from my mistakes... Sorry please forgive me and allow me to do my best for you to get us through"... Or similar... Than the bullshit of.. "we did the best we could with what we knew at the time" which is true in some cases and patently untrue in others. Isn't Angela Merkel retiring soon? Yes, she's retiring, so the country will have a different person taking her role. I really liked her sincere and full apology. We don't even get half-hearted ones. It's human to make mistakes and essential to recognise them, to learn from them. Much better than spaffing some Latin over the plebs and carrying on blinkered as ever. " Agree with that. BUT will qualify that by pointing out that the German media, politicians and people are a lot more respectful... Im not sure how well people admitting they make mistakes would be as well accepted in the snake pit of our media and political landscape right now. | |||
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"Not closing airports or isolating arrivals to the uk was dithering boris,s worst mistake ,not acting promptly his second,corbyn was never in control so is not relevant ,Starmer is more methodical and would probably done things on a evidence based manner.We will see how bad it has been handled at inquiry but its too late as boris leave or be forced out fairly soon I tend to agree. I saw a piece about Angela Merkel u turning over easter lockdowns. If the report is to be believed (and its a big if) she said... "I made a mistake, I got it wrong, I ask for the German people's forgiveness"... Now its election season in Germany, she's a politician and I can't stand her..... But...I'd much rather at times he just came out and said... Yeah I fucked up... But can't go back in time so I've learned from my mistakes... Sorry please forgive me and allow me to do my best for you to get us through"... Or similar... Than the bullshit of.. "we did the best we could with what we knew at the time" which is true in some cases and patently untrue in others. Isn't Angela Merkel retiring soon? Yes, she's retiring, so the country will have a different person taking her role. I really liked her sincere and full apology. We don't even get half-hearted ones. It's human to make mistakes and essential to recognise them, to learn from them. Much better than spaffing some Latin over the plebs and carrying on blinkered as ever. Agree with that. BUT will qualify that by pointing out that the German media, politicians and people are a lot more respectful... Im not sure how well people admitting they make mistakes would be as well accepted in the snake pit of our media and political landscape right now. " True but it becomes a self fulfilling prophecy. Until politicians grow a pair of balls and stand up and admit to failings and face down the media the media will continue to hound. I honestly think the majority of the British public would have more respect for an imperfect honest politician than the current crop of lying corrupt twats who are never prepared to admit when they are wrong! | |||
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"Not closing airports or isolating arrivals to the uk was dithering boris,s worst mistake ,not acting promptly his second,corbyn was never in control so is not relevant ,Starmer is more methodical and would probably done things on a evidence based manner.We will see how bad it has been handled at inquiry but its too late as boris leave or be forced out fairly soon I tend to agree. I saw a piece about Angela Merkel u turning over easter lockdowns. If the report is to be believed (and its a big if) she said... "I made a mistake, I got it wrong, I ask for the German people's forgiveness"... Now its election season in Germany, she's a politician and I can't stand her..... But...I'd much rather at times he just came out and said... Yeah I fucked up... But can't go back in time so I've learned from my mistakes... Sorry please forgive me and allow me to do my best for you to get us through"... Or similar... Than the bullshit of.. "we did the best we could with what we knew at the time" which is true in some cases and patently untrue in others. Isn't Angela Merkel retiring soon? Yes, she's retiring, so the country will have a different person taking her role. I really liked her sincere and full apology. We don't even get half-hearted ones. It's human to make mistakes and essential to recognise them, to learn from them. Much better than spaffing some Latin over the plebs and carrying on blinkered as ever. Agree with that. BUT will qualify that by pointing out that the German media, politicians and people are a lot more respectful... Im not sure how well people admitting they make mistakes would be as well accepted in the snake pit of our media and political landscape right now. " I agree on this, and that our media will geanerally twist anything to suit their agenda. However, it's never too late to demonstrate your genuine human frailty etc - and mistakes are so normal and necessary, when we learn more from them than getting things just about right. Being honest and sincere is never wrong in my book. Neither is showing care and compassion for how we have made others feel etc | |||
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"Not closing airports or isolating arrivals to the uk was dithering boris,s worst mistake ,not acting promptly his second,corbyn was never in control so is not relevant ,Starmer is more methodical and would probably done things on a evidence based manner.We will see how bad it has been handled at inquiry but its too late as boris leave or be forced out fairly soon I tend to agree. I saw a piece about Angela Merkel u turning over easter lockdowns. If the report is to be believed (and its a big if) she said... "I made a mistake, I got it wrong, I ask for the German people's forgiveness"... Now its election season in Germany, she's a politician and I can't stand her..... But...I'd much rather at times he just came out and said... Yeah I fucked up... But can't go back in time so I've learned from my mistakes... Sorry please forgive me and allow me to do my best for you to get us through"... Or similar... Than the bullshit of.. "we did the best we could with what we knew at the time" which is true in some cases and patently untrue in others. Isn't Angela Merkel retiring soon? Yes, she's retiring, so the country will have a different person taking her role. I really liked her sincere and full apology. We don't even get half-hearted ones. It's human to make mistakes and essential to recognise them, to learn from them. Much better than spaffing some Latin over the plebs and carrying on blinkered as ever. Agree with that. BUT will qualify that by pointing out that the German media, politicians and people are a lot more respectful... Im not sure how well people admitting they make mistakes would be as well accepted in the snake pit of our media and political landscape right now. I agree on this, and that our media will geanerally twist anything to suit their agenda. However, it's never too late to demonstrate your genuine human frailty etc - and mistakes are so normal and necessary, when we learn more from them than getting things just about right. Being honest and sincere is never wrong in my book. Neither is showing care and compassion for how we have made others feel etc" Ah but the majority of our “ruling class” went to private schools where they are indoctrinated to believe they are always right and have an intellectual superiority over about 99% of the rest of the population. They are, therefore, never wrong! | |||
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"Not closing airports or isolating arrivals to the uk was dithering boris,s worst mistake ,not acting promptly his second,corbyn was never in control so is not relevant ,Starmer is more methodical and would probably done things on a evidence based manner.We will see how bad it has been handled at inquiry but its too late as boris leave or be forced out fairly soon I tend to agree. I saw a piece about Angela Merkel u turning over easter lockdowns. If the report is to be believed (and its a big if) she said... "I made a mistake, I got it wrong, I ask for the German people's forgiveness"... Now its election season in Germany, she's a politician and I can't stand her..... But...I'd much rather at times he just came out and said... Yeah I fucked up... But can't go back in time so I've learned from my mistakes... Sorry please forgive me and allow me to do my best for you to get us through"... Or similar... Than the bullshit of.. "we did the best we could with what we knew at the time" which is true in some cases and patently untrue in others. Isn't Angela Merkel retiring soon? Yes, she's retiring, so the country will have a different person taking her role. I really liked her sincere and full apology. We don't even get half-hearted ones. It's human to make mistakes and essential to recognise them, to learn from them. Much better than spaffing some Latin over the plebs and carrying on blinkered as ever. Agree with that. BUT will qualify that by pointing out that the German media, politicians and people are a lot more respectful... Im not sure how well people admitting they make mistakes would be as well accepted in the snake pit of our media and political landscape right now. True but it becomes a self fulfilling prophecy. Until politicians grow a pair of balls and stand up and admit to failings and face down the media the media will continue to hound. I honestly think the majority of the British public would have more respect for an imperfect honest politician than the current crop of lying corrupt twats who are never prepared to admit when they are wrong!" Well I know I would... I think the people generally probably would... I think the media would go to town on it though..and be forcing resignations left right and centre. | |||
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"Not closing airports or isolating arrivals to the uk was dithering boris,s worst mistake ,not acting promptly his second,corbyn was never in control so is not relevant ,Starmer is more methodical and would probably done things on a evidence based manner.We will see how bad it has been handled at inquiry but its too late as boris leave or be forced out fairly soon I tend to agree. I saw a piece about Angela Merkel u turning over easter lockdowns. If the report is to be believed (and its a big if) she said... "I made a mistake, I got it wrong, I ask for the German people's forgiveness"... Now its election season in Germany, she's a politician and I can't stand her..... But...I'd much rather at times he just came out and said... Yeah I fucked up... But can't go back in time so I've learned from my mistakes... Sorry please forgive me and allow me to do my best for you to get us through"... Or similar... Than the bullshit of.. "we did the best we could with what we knew at the time" which is true in some cases and patently untrue in others. Isn't Angela Merkel retiring soon? Yes, she's retiring, so the country will have a different person taking her role. I really liked her sincere and full apology. We don't even get half-hearted ones. It's human to make mistakes and essential to recognise them, to learn from them. Much better than spaffing some Latin over the plebs and carrying on blinkered as ever. Agree with that. BUT will qualify that by pointing out that the German media, politicians and people are a lot more respectful... Im not sure how well people admitting they make mistakes would be as well accepted in the snake pit of our media and political landscape right now. True but it becomes a self fulfilling prophecy. Until politicians grow a pair of balls and stand up and admit to failings and face down the media the media will continue to hound. I honestly think the majority of the British public would have more respect for an imperfect honest politician than the current crop of lying corrupt twats who are never prepared to admit when they are wrong! Well I know I would... I think the people generally probably would... I think the media would go to town on it though..and be forcing resignations left right and centre. " This lot don't do resignations now though. Whether elected, such as Ms P Patel, or unelected, like Cummings and just an employee, there's no motivation for an apology or resignation. | |||
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"To control people youve got to scare them Ive always said Covid is not our biggest problem what comes after is Loss of rights Loss of income Loss of Public services Mental health issues Debt bankruptcy homelessness Loss of health services in NHS Loss of right to demonstrate And our future kids gran kids and their kids will be paying While the Rich get Richer And all will be put down to covid The government will say got no money and control you We do not live in a Democracy State we are Like China watered down Remember this post its our future I'd like to say I agree unfortunately the only two words that spring to mind are Utter bollocks "I'm not taking any side but the only two words springing to my mind are Let's see ! | |||
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""Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same way in any country.” Herman Goering, Nuremberg, 18th April 1946" *************************** 1946.....??! Maybe you meant 1936. | |||
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""Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same way in any country.” Herman Goering, Nuremberg, 18th April 1946" Nice quote...and are you under the impression that the people are doing the bidding of the leaders.? | |||
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""Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same way in any country.” Herman Goering, Nuremberg, 18th April 1946 *************************** 1946.....??! Maybe you meant 1936. " Maybe take a quick google before hitting the send button. The clue is in the word 'Nuremberg'. I had a quick google to make sure he hadn't died before that date! | |||
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