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"Yes popped up on Facebook 20 minutes ago bottles thrown at police officers etc" Tbh a few bottles being thrown by numpties isn't a riot.. | |||
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"Yes popped up on Facebook 20 minutes ago bottles thrown at police officers etc Tbh a few bottles being thrown by numpties isn't a riot.." Agreed. People very quick to call stuff a riot. It’s a heated protest. Riots are distinguishable by the fires being lit and the buildings being stormed. A few glass bottles filled with piss being thrown isn’t a riot | |||
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"Yes popped up on Facebook 20 minutes ago bottles thrown at police officers etc Tbh a few bottles being thrown by numpties isn't a riot.. Agreed. People very quick to call stuff a riot. It’s a heated protest. Riots are distinguishable by the fires being lit and the buildings being stormed. A few glass bottles filled with piss being thrown isn’t a riot" So what would you call it. Civil in rest | |||
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"Anyone who goes to a protest in this day and age and expects it to stay a calm peaceful event is delusional. Rent-a-mob will always show up regardless of cause and fight the police for any reason. " When I went to protests at university, you could tell who the trouble were and you kept clear. (worst I ever did was shout hyperbole about some politicians and wave placards) | |||
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"Is it an actual riot? " What if one of them bottles hit someone an took a eye out Is it assault or just kids having fun??? The line has to be drawn somewhere | |||
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"Keep hearing people talk about “rent a mob” and “the same old troublemakers” like they cannot conceive of regular people being pissed off to the point of violence. You’re delusional if you think it’s the same people “causing trouble” at this protest as it was at the vigil last week and the protests last year. Guess it’s easier to assume that than to accept the stark reality " | |||
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"Keep hearing people talk about “rent a mob” and “the same old troublemakers” like they cannot conceive of regular people being pissed off to the point of violence. You’re delusional if you think it’s the same people “causing trouble” at this protest as it was at the vigil last week and the protests last year. Guess it’s easier to assume that than to accept the stark reality " Rent-a-mob doesn't necessarily mean it's the same people physically though does it. It's just a term used to describe the element of society who will look for a reason to start a problem. | |||
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"Keep hearing people talk about “rent a mob” and “the same old troublemakers” like they cannot conceive of regular people being pissed off to the point of violence. You’re delusional if you think it’s the same people “causing trouble” at this protest as it was at the vigil last week and the protests last year. Guess it’s easier to assume that than to accept the stark reality Rent-a-mob doesn't necessarily mean it's the same people physically though does it. It's just a term used to describe the element of society who will look for a reason to start a problem. " Which implies it’s the same people every time doesn’t it? | |||
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"Keep hearing people talk about “rent a mob” and “the same old troublemakers” like they cannot conceive of regular people being pissed off to the point of violence. You’re delusional if you think it’s the same people “causing trouble” at this protest as it was at the vigil last week and the protests last year. Guess it’s easier to assume that than to accept the stark reality Rent-a-mob doesn't necessarily mean it's the same people physically though does it. It's just a term used to describe the element of society who will look for a reason to start a problem. Which implies it’s the same people every time doesn’t it?" No lol | |||
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"Keep hearing people talk about “rent a mob” and “the same old troublemakers” like they cannot conceive of regular people being pissed off to the point of violence. You’re delusional if you think it’s the same people “causing trouble” at this protest as it was at the vigil last week and the protests last year. Guess it’s easier to assume that than to accept the stark reality " I doubt that there are many of us that aren’t pissed off with the current situation, we are all fed up of our lives being put on hold by COVID. But the numbers show that the current lockdown and the vaccination programme are working. We are just over a week away from starting to reduce the restrictions we have, and we have a plan to get out of all of the restrictions by June. What is the point of a violent protest? Believe me there are millions of us who would happily protest against idiots like these, anti vaxxers, and those not following the rules and making the situation worse. A lot of these rioters are just looking for a fight, the reason for the protest doesn’t matter. | |||
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"Keep hearing people talk about “rent a mob” and “the same old troublemakers” like they cannot conceive of regular people being pissed off to the point of violence. You’re delusional if you think it’s the same people “causing trouble” at this protest as it was at the vigil last week and the protests last year. Guess it’s easier to assume that than to accept the stark reality Rent-a-mob doesn't necessarily mean it's the same people physically though does it. It's just a term used to describe the element of society who will look for a reason to start a problem. Which implies it’s the same people every time doesn’t it? No lol" So the “element of society that look for a reason to start trouble” are, seemingly in every political group almost like they’re regular people that feel like they’ve been pushed to violence because they don’t feel like they’re heard. I’m not trying to defend this particular protest, I just get fucked off when people dismiss the right to protest. Without protest none of us would have a single right that we have now | |||
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"Never ceases to amaze me how many people are happy with neo liberalism. The epitome of “fuck you, I’m alright Jack” politics" I've had to Google that and I'm still none the wiser | |||
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"Keep hearing people talk about “rent a mob” and “the same old troublemakers” like they cannot conceive of regular people being pissed off to the point of violence. You’re delusional if you think it’s the same people “causing trouble” at this protest as it was at the vigil last week and the protests last year. Guess it’s easier to assume that than to accept the stark reality I doubt that there are many of us that aren’t pissed off with the current situation, we are all fed up of our lives being put on hold by COVID. But the numbers show that the current lockdown and the vaccination programme are working. We are just over a week away from starting to reduce the restrictions we have, and we have a plan to get out of all of the restrictions by June. What is the point of a violent protest? Believe me there are millions of us who would happily protest against idiots like these, anti vaxxers, and those not following the rules and making the situation worse. A lot of these rioters are just looking for a fight, the reason for the protest doesn’t matter." Fully agree with all of this. Anyone protesting today is a selfish twat. The right to protest is one of the strongest rights we have in this country. Wether you agree with what’s being protested or not | |||
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"Never ceases to amaze me how many people are happy with neo liberalism. The epitome of “fuck you, I’m alright Jack” politics I've had to Google that and I'm still none the wiser " | |||
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"Keep hearing people talk about “rent a mob” and “the same old troublemakers” like they cannot conceive of regular people being pissed off to the point of violence. You’re delusional if you think it’s the same people “causing trouble” at this protest as it was at the vigil last week and the protests last year. Guess it’s easier to assume that than to accept the stark reality Rent-a-mob doesn't necessarily mean it's the same people physically though does it. It's just a term used to describe the element of society who will look for a reason to start a problem. Which implies it’s the same people every time doesn’t it? No lol So the “element of society that look for a reason to start trouble” are, seemingly in every political group almost like they’re regular people that feel like they’ve been pushed to violence because they don’t feel like they’re heard. I’m not trying to defend this particular protest, I just get fucked off when people dismiss the right to protest. Without protest none of us would have a single right that we have now" I'm not dismissing the right to protest at all. Did I say they shouldn't have protested? I just simply stated that those who think a protest will ever remain peaceful are delusional because people (wether the same or not) will always turn out and make it something else. Wether it's people who support ACAB or people who simply haven't had a decent run in with someone for over a year thanks to lockdown, or hangovers from previous protests who feel they haven't had their say enough yet. There will always be someone from somewhere with an ulterior motive. So perhaps physical protests need to move on and find other ways of demonstrating of they want to avoid their cause being over shadowed. | |||
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"Yes popped up on Facebook 20 minutes ago bottles thrown at police officers etc Tbh a few bottles being thrown by numpties isn't a riot.." ...and they were only plastic bottles, wouldn't hurt a fly... | |||
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"I'm very confused as to who's for and against protest's ?" I'm pro protest. I think they're a vital civil right. I think protesting during a pandemic is unwise. These views do not go well together in my head I'm anti violent protest in almost all circumstances (don't know what circumstances it'd be appropriate in). I'm against state violence against protesters unless absolutely necessary for public protection, and I'm horrified that people are cheering such an idea on. | |||
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"Despicable behaviour in Hyde park from the protesters over lockdown all the hard work everyone is doing to combat the virus and some people are acting like this" Just seen it on the news, ffs, at least 33 arrested, we are going through a pandemic..save all the issues for when it is safe to voice them...if not then don't be kicking off when the Police try to disperse people gathering which is against Covid lock down rules.!!! | |||
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"But this lockdwon will never ever end, I hate to disagree but maybe they do have a point " Of course it'll end, just because ppl are frustrated doesn't justify anime,and social disturbance | |||
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"I see corbyn,s idiot brother was there with his megaphone again." handcuffed again then.. | |||
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"But this lockdwon will never ever end, I hate to disagree but maybe they do have a point Of course it'll end, just because ppl are frustrated doesn't justify anime,and social disturbance " It won't end because they enjoy it too much (in my opinion) They can borrow money endlessly and when the time comes tax us to pay for their incompetence. They said 2 weeks and it will end and how where we are now yet people have been complying and listening to all the rules | |||
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"But this lockdwon will never ever end, I hate to disagree but maybe they do have a point Of course it'll end, just because ppl are frustrated doesn't justify anime,and social disturbance It won't end because they enjoy it too much (in my opinion) They can borrow money endlessly and when the time comes tax us to pay for their incompetence. They said 2 weeks and it will end and how where we are now yet people have been complying and listening to all the rules" But 'not all' people have been listening and complying with all the rules.. | |||
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"But this lockdwon will never ever end, I hate to disagree but maybe they do have a point " It's ending. There are steps in place. What will cause it to never ever end is if people ignore the rules and keep spreading the virus. Come on now. This isn't difficult. | |||
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"But this lockdwon will never ever end, I hate to disagree but maybe they do have a point " we all are so near to coming out of this nightmare and stupid ppl who protest are just prolonging it..get the water cannons out Boris | |||
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"Despicable behaviour in Hyde park from the protesters over lockdown all the hard work everyone is doing to combat the virus and some people are acting like this Just seen it on the news, ffs, at least 33 arrested, we are going through a pandemic..save all the issues for when it is safe to voice them...if not then don't be kicking off when the Police try to disperse people gathering which is against Covid lock down rules.!!! " It is amazing when you consider the 5000 or so protesters in London today how orderly and we'll behaved they were. I wish I could say the same for the police. They had to kick off and ruin a completely peaceful demonstration as the people of Britain exercised their democratic right to free speech and peaceful protest. | |||
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"But this lockdwon will never ever end, I hate to disagree but maybe they do have a point It's ending. There are steps in place. What will cause it to never ever end is if people ignore the rules and keep spreading the virus. Come on now. This isn't difficult. " Agreed. | |||
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"So the general consensus of opinion is that you have the rights to protest and can protest about a thing that is happening at the moment but you can't actually protest about it until the thing itself is over? " Mm yes. Something like that. Maybe if you changed your words around a bit you might start to make some sense. | |||
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"Despicable behaviour in Hyde park from the protesters over lockdown all the hard work everyone is doing to combat the virus and some people are acting like this" Roits what Roits i was there 2 or 3 guy's d*unk, and over 100 police running at us battons out screaming at us, come on try it. Stop listening to bullshit bbc just looking for a story. | |||
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"The irony is those protesting and rioting against the lockdown could end up actively prolonging it" Yes, very much. I understand wanting to protect civil liberties. I do. But this is... just beyond words. | |||
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"Despicable behaviour in Hyde park from the protesters over lockdown all the hard work everyone is doing to combat the virus and some people are acting like this" | |||
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"So let’s get this right, we are in one of the countries in the world way ahead of others regarding vaccine rollout & have already announced some easing of lockdown with more to come as our infection numbers continue to plummet. At least two countries in Europe have announced today tightening of lockdown restrictions as infections are going up. But this lot are protesting? Do they have shit between their ears?" Judging by the interviews with protesters on the BBC news tonight that’s a definite yes! | |||
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"Yes popped up on Facebook 20 minutes ago bottles thrown at police officers etc Tbh a few bottles being thrown by numpties isn't a riot.. Agreed. People very quick to call stuff a riot. It’s a heated protest. Riots are distinguishable by the fires being lit and the buildings being stormed. A few glass bottles filled with piss being thrown isn’t a riot" Totally agree. People tried to claim last weekends vigil was a riot. A protest is not a riot. | |||
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"So let’s get this right, we are in one of the countries in the world way ahead of others regarding vaccine rollout & have already announced some easing of lockdown with more to come as our infection numbers continue to plummet. At least two countries in Europe have announced today tightening of lockdown restrictions as infections are going up. But this lot are protesting? Do they have shit between their ears? Judging by the interviews with protesters on the BBC news tonight that’s a definite yes!" Makes me wonder why they want to live here none of those interviewed had British accents. | |||
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"Does it matter what it is any gathering of large groups of people is wrong at the present time due to covid. They are the ones stopping the human rights of the masses leading normal life they by there stupity are stopping freedom" Present some evidence to back up your statement and you may be taken seriously. | |||
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"Does it matter what it is any gathering of large groups of people is wrong at the present time due to covid. They are the ones stopping the human rights of the masses leading normal life they by there stupity are stopping freedom Present some evidence to back up your statement and you may be taken seriously. " The roadmap out depends on keeping the disease burden low. Large gatherings without face coverings risk being spreader events, particularly with singing or shouting. The way we get out of this, as laid out by the government, is to keep our germs to ourselves. (I'm sure some won't see that as evidence, but that is the rational explanation whether they like it or not. And when we deal with the pandemic we can deal with the government trying to take away our liberties - which is not via public health measures) | |||
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"Yes popped up on Facebook 20 minutes ago bottles thrown at police officers etc Tbh a few bottles being thrown by numpties isn't a riot.. Agreed. People very quick to call stuff a riot. It’s a heated protest. Riots are distinguishable by the fires being lit and the buildings being stormed. A few glass bottles filled with piss being thrown isn’t a riot So what would you call it. Civil in rest From my understanding it can be classed as a riot with 3 or more ppl being violent or inciting violence " That's Violent Disorder (s.2 Public Order Act). A riot needs 12 or more, with common purpose, using or threatening violence (s.1 POA) | |||
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"But this lockdwon will never ever end, I hate to disagree but maybe they do have a point Of course it'll end, just because ppl are frustrated doesn't justify anime,and social disturbance It won't end because they enjoy it too much (in my opinion) They can borrow money endlessly and when the time comes tax us to pay for their incompetence. They said 2 weeks and it will end and how where we are now yet people have been complying and listening to all the rules" Who said two weeks and it would end ? | |||
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" They had to kick off and ruin a completely peaceful demonstration as the people of Britain exercised their democratic right to free speech and peaceful protest." Right to Free Speech? Where does it say that? Right to peacefully protest? Current laws forbid large gatherings. Hearing a lot about (non existent) rights, but not much about very real responsibilities. Good old British masses, arrogant enough to believe they can pick and choose the laws they obey. | |||
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" They had to kick off and ruin a completely peaceful demonstration as the people of Britain exercised their democratic right to free speech and peaceful protest. Right to Free Speech? Where does it say that? Right to peacefully protest? Current laws forbid large gatherings. Hearing a lot about (non existent) rights, but not much about very real responsibilities. Good old British masses, arrogant enough to believe they can pick and choose the laws they obey." I'm playing fast and loose in this case with actual laws (versus what I think should be permitted) so I can't talk, but I agree. | |||
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"Yes popped up on Facebook 20 minutes ago bottles thrown at police officers etc Tbh a few bottles being thrown by numpties isn't a riot.. Agreed. People very quick to call stuff a riot. It’s a heated protest. Riots are distinguishable by the fires being lit and the buildings being stormed. A few glass bottles filled with piss being thrown isn’t a riot Totally agree. People tried to claim last weekends vigil was a riot. A protest is not a riot." this | |||
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"A riot is a form of civil disorder commonly characterized by a group lashing out in a violent public disturbance against authority, property, or people. As soon as something is thrown that can cause injury it becomes a riot or injured in any way. " In English Law, a riot requires 12 or more ... using or threatening violence. | |||
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"Yes popped up on Facebook 20 minutes ago bottles thrown at police officers etc Tbh a few bottles being thrown by numpties isn't a riot.. Agreed. People very quick to call stuff a riot. It’s a heated protest. Riots are distinguishable by the fires being lit and the buildings being stormed. A few glass bottles filled with piss being thrown isn’t a riot Totally agree. People tried to claim last weekends vigil was a riot. A protest is not a riot. this " Agreed | |||
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"The protesters should be allowed to protest, following all distance and mask laws. It seemed they didn't, as there's an unspoken protest about any limits. It weakens their argument. As does violence and not following direction. It seems ill thought out, just when our action is great progress and in the last stages. I imagine there's limited support for them, unlike for more important issues, including the right to protest. " Yes they are not the sharpest tools in the box the anti maskers, i even had postie deliver a letter from them today telling me it was all a hoax | |||
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"Surprised no Any mass protest gets hijacked by the few spoiling it for the meny. Now this will encourage government to just ban protests completely. I do not support protests at the best of times but this was not the time for this. And yes I think lock down has done more good then harm. In lots of ways. It's hard but was right EU contreys are doing it again as it dose work. " If the government is allowed to ban protests then that’s the end. That right should never be taken away. | |||
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"Despicable behaviour in Hyde park from the protesters over lockdown all the hard work everyone is doing to combat the virus and some people are acting like this Just seen it on the news, ffs, at least 33 arrested, we are going through a pandemic..save all the issues for when it is safe to voice them...if not then don't be kicking off when the Police try to disperse people gathering which is against Covid lock down rules.!!! It is amazing when you consider the 5000 or so protesters in London today how orderly and we'll behaved they were. I wish I could say the same for the police. They had to kick off and ruin a completely peaceful demonstration as the people of Britain exercised their democratic right to free speech and peaceful protest." They were breaking the law , they should all of been arrested the selfish pricks . | |||
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"So let’s get this right, we are in one of the countries in the world way ahead of others regarding vaccine rollout & have already announced some easing of lockdown with more to come as our infection numbers continue to plummet. At least two countries in Europe have announced today tightening of lockdown restrictions as infections are going up. But this lot are protesting? Do they have shit between their ears? Judging by the interviews with protesters on the BBC news tonight that’s a definite yes!" What amazes me is people have the right to protest but that doesn't mean it has to be on the streets in mass gatherings in the middle of a pandemic. The people protesting like this will lose credibility regarding their causes and i just think it is selfish irrespective of whether they have a valid reason or not to take to the streets. | |||
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"Does it matter what it is any gathering of large groups of people is wrong at the present time due to covid. They are the ones stopping the human rights of the masses leading normal life they by there stupity are stopping freedom Present some evidence to back up your statement and you may be taken seriously. " I see this statement all the time now asking to present evidence. It is very lame when common sense would follow that masses of people not folliwing Covid rules, will spread the virus. I think we have at least learnt this over the past 12 months and in the lockdowns that have followed. No other evidence is needed. #useyourloaf | |||
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"Does it matter what it is any gathering of large groups of people is wrong at the present time due to covid. They are the ones stopping the human rights of the masses leading normal life they by there stupity are stopping freedom Present some evidence to back up your statement and you may be taken seriously. I see this statement all the time now asking to present evidence. It is very lame when common sense would follow that masses of people not folliwing Covid rules, will spread the virus. I think we have at least learnt this over the past 12 months and in the lockdowns that have followed. No other evidence is needed. #useyourloaf" Seems common sense is quite rare | |||
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"Does it matter what it is any gathering of large groups of people is wrong at the present time due to covid. They are the ones stopping the human rights of the masses leading normal life they by there stupity are stopping freedom Present some evidence to back up your statement and you may be taken seriously. I see this statement all the time now asking to present evidence. It is very lame when common sense would follow that masses of people not folliwing Covid rules, will spread the virus. I think we have at least learnt this over the past 12 months and in the lockdowns that have followed. No other evidence is needed. #useyourloaf" Excellent post ! It is common sense !! Love the hashtag lol | |||
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"Yes popped up on Facebook 20 minutes ago bottles thrown at police officers etc Tbh a few bottles being thrown by numpties isn't a riot.. ...and they were only plastic bottles, wouldn't hurt a fly..." You are cordially invited to stand in front of me while I throw plastic bottles full of piss at you. You are welcome to report back to the Forums the results of any injuries you do or do not suffer. M | |||
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"Does it matter what it is any gathering of large groups of people is wrong at the present time due to covid. They are the ones stopping the human rights of the masses leading normal life they by there stupity are stopping freedom Present some evidence to back up your statement and you may be taken seriously. I see this statement all the time now asking to present evidence. It is very lame when common sense would follow that masses of people not folliwing Covid rules, will spread the virus. I think we have at least learnt this over the past 12 months and in the lockdowns that have followed. No other evidence is needed. #useyourloaf Excellent post ! It is common sense !! Love the hashtag lol" Thx, a good saying learnt from my late father in law. | |||
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"Yes popped up on Facebook 20 minutes ago bottles thrown at police officers etc Tbh a few bottles being thrown by numpties isn't a riot.. ...and they were only plastic bottles, wouldn't hurt a fly... You are cordially invited to stand in front of me while I throw plastic bottles full of piss at you. You are welcome to report back to the Forums the results of any injuries you do or do not suffer. M" | |||
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"Does it matter what it is any gathering of large groups of people is wrong at the present time due to covid. They are the ones stopping the human rights of the masses leading normal life they by there stupity are stopping freedom Present some evidence to back up your statement and you may be taken seriously. I see this statement all the time now asking to present evidence. It is very lame when common sense would follow that masses of people not folliwing Covid rules, will spread the virus. I think we have at least learnt this over the past 12 months and in the lockdowns that have followed. No other evidence is needed. #useyourloaf" Unfortunately common sense doesn't appear to very common anymore. | |||
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"I see corbyn,s idiot brother was there with his megaphone again." Odiocy clearly runs in the family! | |||
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"Keep hearing people talk about “rent a mob” and “the same old troublemakers” like they cannot conceive of regular people being pissed off to the point of violence. You’re delusional if you think it’s the same people “causing trouble” at this protest as it was at the vigil last week and the protests last year. Guess it’s easier to assume that than to accept the stark reality Rent-a-mob doesn't necessarily mean it's the same people physically though does it. It's just a term used to describe the element of society who will look for a reason to start a problem. Which implies it’s the same people every time doesn’t it?" Sadly often is..... | |||
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"You know all these people justifying protests for anti lockdown the people attending the events are basically like spoilt children who don't like being told what to do and they are basically doing thus " I'm going to scream and scream and scream until I am sick and I won't listen to anyone or anything" And fuck anyone who gets hurt as a result of the tantrums." Exactly. | |||
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"Yes popped up on Facebook 20 minutes ago bottles thrown at police officers etc Tbh a few bottles being thrown by numpties isn't a riot.." Think you will find the Riot Act 1714 says 12 people or more, acting in an unruly manner, disturbing the peace, with an act or a threat of violence, under Common Law. IS A RIOT. Of course it won't suit some, that agree with the protests... | |||
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"Yes popped up on Facebook 20 minutes ago bottles thrown at police officers etc Tbh a few bottles being thrown by numpties isn't a riot.. Think you will find the Riot Act 1714 says 12 people or more, acting in an unruly manner, disturbing the peace, with an act or a threat of violence, under Common Law. IS A RIOT. Of course it won't suit some, that agree with the protests..." It has to be designated by the oic on duty, why would anyone want to give more credence to those protesting at this time by defining what they did as rioting? It's something they would possibly relish as part of their agenda.. | |||
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"Yes popped up on Facebook 20 minutes ago bottles thrown at police officers etc Tbh a few bottles being thrown by numpties isn't a riot.. Think you will find the Riot Act 1714 says 12 people or more, acting in an unruly manner, disturbing the peace, with an act or a threat of violence, under Common Law. IS A RIOT. Of course it won't suit some, that agree with the protests... It has to be designated by the oic on duty, why would anyone want to give more credence to those protesting at this time by defining what they did as rioting? It's something they would possibly relish as part of their agenda.." The Act is the Act, various dispersal procedures or certain sections can be authorised by the OIC | |||
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"Yes popped up on Facebook 20 minutes ago bottles thrown at police officers etc Tbh a few bottles being thrown by numpties isn't a riot.. Think you will find the Riot Act 1714 says 12 people or more, acting in an unruly manner, disturbing the peace, with an act or a threat of violence, under Common Law. IS A RIOT. Of course it won't suit some, that agree with the protests... It has to be designated by the oic on duty, why would anyone want to give more credence to those protesting at this time by defining what they did as rioting? It's something they would possibly relish as part of their agenda.. The Act is the Act, various dispersal procedures or certain sections can be authorised by the OIC" As I stated at the start of the thread a few numpties etc is not a riot, certainly not similar to those I was on duty in the province and Brixton.. | |||
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"Yes popped up on Facebook 20 minutes ago bottles thrown at police officers etc Tbh a few bottles being thrown by numpties isn't a riot.. Think you will find the Riot Act 1714 says 12 people or more, acting in an unruly manner, disturbing the peace, with an act or a threat of violence, under Common Law. IS A RIOT. Of course it won't suit some, that agree with the protests... It has to be designated by the oic on duty, why would anyone want to give more credence to those protesting at this time by defining what they did as rioting? It's something they would possibly relish as part of their agenda.. The Act is the Act, various dispersal procedures or certain sections can be authorised by the OIC" There is also the issue that if it designated as a Riot officially then much of the damaged caused can be claimed back from the government | |||
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"Is it an actual riot? " Probably the same difference between a Vigil and a protest | |||
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"Yes popped up on Facebook 20 minutes ago bottles thrown at police officers etc Tbh a few bottles being thrown by numpties isn't a riot.. ...and they were only plastic bottles, wouldn't hurt a fly... You are cordially invited to stand in front of me while I throw plastic bottles full of piss at you. You are welcome to report back to the Forums the results of any injuries you do or do not suffer. M" Funny how those plastic bottles being thrown yesterday had the very distinctive "tickle tickle smash" sound of their glass brethren...ohh no sorry , I heard that noise on the live BBC footage so it must have been edited in | |||
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"You can only assume that these people actually want the lockdowns to be extended. We’re almost at the end, the country has made great progress, the end is in sight. Zero reason to protest now. It’s ludicrous. " Exactly, as hardly any of them were wearing masks either you do wonder | |||
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"All the people calling the protesters thick because they don't agree with their agenda is the epitome of irony. EVERYONE has the right to protest. Also the people saying protest should never be violent are delusional. I'm not talking about this particular situation of course but what if your government is committing genocide - would you wait until the pandemic is over and then peacefully protest? People feel strongly about different things - let them protest peacefully without police antagonising them. " I can think that they have a right to protest and that they're idiots. | |||
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"All the people calling the protesters thick because they don't agree with their agenda is the epitome of irony. EVERYONE has the right to protest. Also the people saying protest should never be violent are delusional. I'm not talking about this particular situation of course but what if your government is committing genocide - would you wait until the pandemic is over and then peacefully protest? People feel strongly about different things - let them protest peacefully without police antagonising them. " Antagonising them by not allowing the bottles thrown to smash the police in the face? That sort of antagonising? | |||
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"All the people calling the protesters thick because they don't agree with their agenda is the epitome of irony. EVERYONE has the right to protest. Also the people saying protest should never be violent are delusional. I'm not talking about this particular situation of course but what if your government is committing genocide - would you wait until the pandemic is over and then peacefully protest? People feel strongly about different things - let them protest peacefully without police antagonising them. Antagonising them by not allowing the bottles thrown to smash the police in the face? That sort of antagonising? " When those handcuffs are fitted some people have their arms almost wrenched out of their sockets. | |||
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"Is it an actual riot? " No, it wasnt a riot there. | |||
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"All the people calling the protesters thick because they don't agree with their agenda is the epitome of irony. EVERYONE has the right to protest. Also the people saying protest should never be violent are delusional. I'm not talking about this particular situation of course but what if your government is committing genocide - would you wait until the pandemic is over and then peacefully protest? People feel strongly about different things - let them protest peacefully without police antagonising them. Antagonising them by not allowing the bottles thrown to smash the police in the face? That sort of antagonising? When those handcuffs are fitted some people have their arms almost wrenched out of their sockets. " Whether there's any truth in that the answer is to not throw bottles.. The police were standing off yesterday I think the numbers surprised them but some can't help themselves they have to kick off regardless then they get nicked.. | |||
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"All the people calling the protesters thick because they don't agree with their agenda is the epitome of irony. EVERYONE has the right to protest. Also the people saying protest should never be violent are delusional. I'm not talking about this particular situation of course but what if your government is committing genocide - would you wait until the pandemic is over and then peacefully protest? People feel strongly about different things - let them protest peacefully without police antagonising them. Antagonising them by not allowing the bottles thrown to smash the police in the face? That sort of antagonising? When those handcuffs are fitted some people have their arms almost wrenched out of their sockets. " erm thats how the old bill nick u when you resist arrest.you struggle your going on the deck.not just at protests anyone who resits goes on the floor. | |||
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"What happened to the SPG squads ? They didn’t mess about they’d sort these thugs out mind it’s hard to say who would be the bigger thugs them or the rioters (protesters)" They were replaced by the TSG', the Territorial Support Group. 3 times the size of the SPG. I believe the SPG were disbanded after the controversial unlawful killing of Blair Peach at an anti nazi league demonstration in London | |||
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"All the people calling the protesters thick because they don't agree with their agenda is the epitome of irony. EVERYONE has the right to protest. Also the people saying protest should never be violent are delusional. I'm not talking about this particular situation of course but what if your government is committing genocide - would you wait until the pandemic is over and then peacefully protest? People feel strongly about different things - let them protest peacefully without police antagonising them. Antagonising them by not allowing the bottles thrown to smash the police in the face? That sort of antagonising? When those handcuffs are fitted some people have their arms almost wrenched out of their sockets. " You’re not going to win it’ll only get worse, so you might as well go quietly as they say | |||
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"All the people calling the protesters thick because they don't agree with their agenda is the epitome of irony. EVERYONE has the right to protest. Also the people saying protest should never be violent are delusional. I'm not talking about this particular situation of course but what if your government is committing genocide - would you wait until the pandemic is over and then peacefully protest? People feel strongly about different things - let them protest peacefully without police antagonising them. Antagonising them by not allowing the bottles thrown to smash the police in the face? That sort of antagonising? When those handcuffs are fitted some people have their arms almost wrenched out of their sockets. " So the response of the police makes it ok? | |||
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"Yes popped up on Facebook 20 minutes ago bottles thrown at police officers etc Tbh a few bottles being thrown by numpties isn't a riot.. ...and they were only plastic bottles, wouldn't hurt a fly... You are cordially invited to stand in front of me while I throw plastic bottles full of piss at you. You are welcome to report back to the Forums the results of any injuries you do or do not suffer. M Funny how those plastic bottles being thrown yesterday had the very distinctive "tickle tickle smash" sound of their glass brethren...ohh no sorry , I heard that noise on the live BBC footage so it must have been edited in " And today's winner of "totally and utterley missed the point award" goes to...... M | |||
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"All the people calling the protesters thick because they don't agree with their agenda is the epitome of irony. EVERYONE has the right to protest. Also the people saying protest should never be violent are delusional. I'm not talking about this particular situation of course but what if your government is committing genocide - would you wait until the pandemic is over and then peacefully protest? People feel strongly about different things - let them protest peacefully without police antagonising them. Antagonising them by not allowing the bottles thrown to smash the police in the face? That sort of antagonising? When those handcuffs are fitted some people have their arms almost wrenched out of their sockets. erm thats how the old bill nick u when you resist arrest.you struggle your going on the deck.not just at protests anyone who resits goes on the floor." Quite right. It amazes me these people claim to have the right to protest when its currently against the law. The right to increase the spread of a deadly virus. The right to cause criminal damage. The right to throw bottles ect. However when they are caught and resist they object to being cuffed | |||
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"All the people calling the protesters thick because they don't agree with their agenda is the epitome of irony. EVERYONE has the right to protest. Also the people saying protest should never be violent are delusional. I'm not talking about this particular situation of course but what if your government is committing genocide - would you wait until the pandemic is over and then peacefully protest? People feel strongly about different things - let them protest peacefully without police antagonising them. Antagonising them by not allowing the bottles thrown to smash the police in the face? That sort of antagonising? When those handcuffs are fitted some people have their arms almost wrenched out of their sockets. " If a policeman says you're under arrest and asks you to put your hands out to be cuffed, you don't violently resist, you don't try to evade arrest, you don't attack the police officer, you simply stand there and do as your told, it doesn't hurt at all. M | |||
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"I have got bigger things to worry about than some idiots in London there is a lot more going on in my life and some very important decisions to make such as do I go with pepper corn sauce with my rib eye steak tonight or do I just have a bit of mustard and the even more concerning matter of chips or mash???? These are the things that currently concern me not what's going on 170 miles south of me. " Have an ostrich maybe! | |||
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"Yes popped up on Facebook 20 minutes ago bottles thrown at police officers etc Tbh a few bottles being thrown by numpties isn't a riot.. Think you will find the Riot Act 1714 says 12 people or more, acting in an unruly manner, disturbing the peace, with an act or a threat of violence, under Common Law. IS A RIOT. Of course it won't suit some, that agree with the protests... It has to be designated by the oic on duty, why would anyone want to give more credence to those protesting at this time by defining what they did as rioting? It's something they would possibly relish as part of their agenda.. The Act is the Act, various dispersal procedures or certain sections can be authorised by the OIC There is also the issue that if it designated as a Riot officially then much of the damaged caused can be claimed back from the government " The riot act is no longer on the statute books, it was replaced by Section 1 of the Public Order Act 1986. A riot does not get designated by an OIC, very rarely will disorder be classed by police as a riot as the Chief Constable (or equivalent) and their force then becomes liable for the cost of damages. | |||
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"Keep hearing people talk about “rent a mob” and “the same old troublemakers” like they cannot conceive of regular people being pissed off to the point of violence. You’re delusional if you think it’s the same people “causing trouble” at this protest as it was at the vigil last week and the protests last year. Guess it’s easier to assume that than to accept the stark reality " Yes, but it is those who turn up to make violent trouble. Otherwise they'd protest peacefully about the issue. No sensible protester would even think that being violent progresses their cause, quite the opposite. Just look at the impact Ghandi had. | |||
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"But this lockdwon will never ever end, I hate to disagree but maybe they do have a point Of course it'll end, just because ppl are frustrated doesn't justify anime,and social disturbance It won't end because they enjoy it too much (in my opinion) They can borrow money endlessly and when the time comes tax us to pay for their incompetence. They said 2 weeks and it will end and how where we are now yet people have been complying and listening to all the rules" It hasn't ended because it wasn't taken seriously enough until more recently. Many had to die or become seriously ill before it sank in. Lockdowns have helped, we should have done them harder and faster much earlier on. Vaccinations are the next big step. But it's something that will be risk for a long time yet and we'll have to adapt our behaviour to keep it under control. At least we're now heading in the right direction. | |||
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"Yes popped up on Facebook 20 minutes ago bottles thrown at police officers etc Tbh a few bottles being thrown by numpties isn't a riot.. Think you will find the Riot Act 1714 says 12 people or more, acting in an unruly manner, disturbing the peace, with an act or a threat of violence, under Common Law. IS A RIOT. Of course it won't suit some, that agree with the protests... It has to be designated by the oic on duty, why would anyone want to give more credence to those protesting at this time by defining what they did as rioting? It's something they would possibly relish as part of their agenda.. The Act is the Act, various dispersal procedures or certain sections can be authorised by the OIC" That Act was repealed in the 60's. So the Act is not the Act afterall | |||
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"I say let them protest, let them spread covid between themselves, then let them go home and take covid to their families, let the take it to their places of work, and let their work mates take it home to their families etc etc. Oh yeh that's why we are all in this mess, why can people not see this; of course they can, they just don't give a fuck about others as long as they get their 'say' and their right to 'protest' Anyone found at one of these protests should have their right to NHS care for covid removed and they should be charged for their care (just covid not anything else that may be wrong with them unrelated to the 'protest') and the same for any of their families - drastic maybe but why are the rest of us suffering lockdown longer because these fools want their say. I hate the tories, and i hate boris and all he and they stand for, but whatever he does he is wrong, release lockdown too soon and he will be slated for it, keep it on too long and he will get the same. i sympathise with the people who have lost their jobs, but they will (most of them) recover, the ones who have lost the lives will never get them back. But then their right to protest is more important than other peoples lives isn't it ! " I would suggest the freedom to protest is more important than most things.. Lives even.. Let's face it lives have been lost in the past over the right to protest haven't they? | |||
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"I say let them protest, let them spread covid between themselves, then let them go home and take covid to their families, let the take it to their places of work, and let their work mates take it home to their families etc etc. Oh yeh that's why we are all in this mess, why can people not see this; of course they can, they just don't give a fuck about others as long as they get their 'say' and their right to 'protest' Anyone found at one of these protests should have their right to NHS care for covid removed and they should be charged for their care (just covid not anything else that may be wrong with them unrelated to the 'protest') and the same for any of their families - drastic maybe but why are the rest of us suffering lockdown longer because these fools want their say. I hate the tories, and i hate boris and all he and they stand for, but whatever he does he is wrong, release lockdown too soon and he will be slated for it, keep it on too long and he will get the same. i sympathise with the people who have lost their jobs, but they will (most of them) recover, the ones who have lost the lives will never get them back. But then their right to protest is more important than other peoples lives isn't it ! I would suggest the freedom to protest is more important than most things.. Lives even.. Let's face it lives have been lost in the past over the right to protest haven't they? " I think you need to have a good long look in the mirror mate if you think the right to protest is more important than people's lives. Give head a wobble. | |||
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"I say let them protest, let them spread covid between themselves, then let them go home and take covid to their families, let the take it to their places of work, and let their work mates take it home to their families etc etc. Oh yeh that's why we are all in this mess, why can people not see this; of course they can, they just don't give a fuck about others as long as they get their 'say' and their right to 'protest' Anyone found at one of these protests should have their right to NHS care for covid removed and they should be charged for their care (just covid not anything else that may be wrong with them unrelated to the 'protest') and the same for any of their families - drastic maybe but why are the rest of us suffering lockdown longer because these fools want their say. I hate the tories, and i hate boris and all he and they stand for, but whatever he does he is wrong, release lockdown too soon and he will be slated for it, keep it on too long and he will get the same. i sympathise with the people who have lost their jobs, but they will (most of them) recover, the ones who have lost the lives will never get them back. But then their right to protest is more important than other peoples lives isn't it ! I would suggest the freedom to protest is more important than most things.. Lives even.. Let's face it lives have been lost in the past over the right to protest haven't they? I think you need to have a good long look in the mirror mate if you think the right to protest is more important than people's lives. Give head a wobble." Seconded. M | |||
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"I say let them protest, let them spread covid between themselves, then let them go home and take covid to their families, let the take it to their places of work, and let their work mates take it home to their families etc etc. Oh yeh that's why we are all in this mess, why can people not see this; of course they can, they just don't give a fuck about others as long as they get their 'say' and their right to 'protest' Anyone found at one of these protests should have their right to NHS care for covid removed and they should be charged for their care (just covid not anything else that may be wrong with them unrelated to the 'protest') and the same for any of their families - drastic maybe but why are the rest of us suffering lockdown longer because these fools want their say. I hate the tories, and i hate boris and all he and they stand for, but whatever he does he is wrong, release lockdown too soon and he will be slated for it, keep it on too long and he will get the same. i sympathise with the people who have lost their jobs, but they will (most of them) recover, the ones who have lost the lives will never get them back. But then their right to protest is more important than other peoples lives isn't it ! I would suggest the freedom to protest is more important than most things.. Lives even.. Let's face it lives have been lost in the past over the right to protest haven't they? " They were allowed to protest.. They are not protesting about the right to do so etc so to suggest what you have is bizarre.. Tbh if they were to protest as others have done abiding by the current situation they could stand all day but whilst some have genuine concerns as do others some went to simply have a year up with the police, they deserve what they get.. | |||
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"I see they've targeted the police station and officers in Bristol. Really so sad, no sides on the police, but can you imagine being in the middle of it, must be terrifying" It's BLM so it's ok police just watch and media turn their backs, just another peaceful protest. Only anti lockdown protesters spread the virus so nothing to worry about. | |||
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"Looks like in Bristol they're wearing masks.." Bristol is discusting I hope people get sent to prison that is just causing trouble and will mean anti protest laws will be enforced more,these are just anarchists | |||
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"Didn't read the thread properly, thought it said Rios in London over Lockdown" What? Rio's has a new branch in Bristol?! | |||
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