FabSwingers.com forum: NHS 1% Kick in the teeth

By *om_Hardly OP Man
over a year ago

Exeter

I’d pay an additional 1% in income tax to fund a pay rise for our NHS heroes. It would also fund many more health related schemes I’m sure that we would all benefit from.

Of course increase the personal allowance of those who can’t afford the 1%

Who’s with me?

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By * Plus ECouple
over a year ago

The South

"I’d pay an additional 1% in income tax to fund a pay rise for our NHS heroes. It would also fund many more health related schemes I’m sure that we would all benefit from.

Of course increase the personal allowance of those who can’t afford the 1%

Who’s with me?"

That's very generous and noble of you.

Where do the allowance increases for those who can't afford the 1% come from?

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By *lex46TV/TS
over a year ago

Near Wells

If we were in a war for a year would you happily pay an extra 1% for the army as well?

I'm glad you can afford it.

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By *om_Hardly OP Man
over a year ago

Exeter

That's very generous and noble of you.

Where do the allowance increases for those who can't afford the 1% come from?

I’m no expert but wouldn’t raising the personal allowance before you pay tax negate the increase for lower earners?

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By *pursChick aka ShortieWoman
over a year ago

On a mooch

That's very generous and noble of you.

Where do the allowance increases for those who can't afford the 1% come from?

I’m no expert but wouldn’t raising the personal allowance before you pay tax negate the increase for lower earners? "

It would as they would automatically see an increase in their take home pay

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I work in the NHS, but I'm struggling with a pay rise knowing so many others have lost jobs.

It just doesn't sit right with me at the moment, especially knowing the country is on its knees financially.

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By * Plus ECouple
over a year ago

The South

That's very generous and noble of you.

Where do the allowance increases for those who can't afford the 1% come from?

I’m no expert but wouldn’t raising the personal allowance before you pay tax negate the increase for lower earners? "

It would. But that doesn't answer my question.

Where does it come from?

Your idea is great. However it reduces the monies collected in taxes, therefore there's less available for the purse to spend.

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By *ames_LondonMan
over a year ago

Southgate

"I’d pay an additional 1% in income tax to fund a pay rise for our NHS heroes. It would also fund many more health related schemes I’m sure that we would all benefit from.

Of course increase the personal allowance of those who can’t afford the 1%

Who’s with me?"

Just give 1% of your income to an NHS charity.

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By *wisted999Man
over a year ago

North Bucks

I wouldn’t begrudge 1% if I knew that it was going directly to NHS/carers pay packets.

But it really shouldn’t come to that.

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"I work in the NHS, but I'm struggling with a pay rise knowing so many others have lost jobs.

It just doesn't sit right with me at the moment, especially knowing the country is on its knees financially. "

If the country is on its knees why are they spending billions on hs2?

Or trident?

Or spending millions on a media room?

Or giving billions to their mates in ppe contracts?

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

I have a question

If there was an election round the corner, would they still be offering 1%?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I work in the NHS, but I'm struggling with a pay rise knowing so many others have lost jobs.

It just doesn't sit right with me at the moment, especially knowing the country is on its knees financially.

If the country is on its knees why are they spending billions on hs2?

Or trident?

Or spending millions on a media room?

Or giving billions to their mates in ppe contracts?"

I dunno Lionel, go ask them that not me. I'm not in Government

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"I work in the NHS, but I'm struggling with a pay rise knowing so many others have lost jobs.

It just doesn't sit right with me at the moment, especially knowing the country is on its knees financially.

If the country is on its knees why are they spending billions on hs2?

Or trident?

Or spending millions on a media room?

Or giving billions to their mates in ppe contracts?

I dunno Lionel, go ask them that not me. I'm not in Government "

Doesnt sound to me like we are skint

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By *ap d agde coupleCouple
over a year ago

Broadstairs

There is 1.5 million NHS workers but only 750 thousand on the front line , are they all asking for more including all the admin ?

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"There is 1.5 million NHS workers but only 750 thousand on the front line , are they all asking for more including all the admin ? "

Yes..why would a hospital need admin?

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By *andare63Man
over a year ago

oldham

"I work in the NHS, but I'm struggling with a pay rise knowing so many others have lost jobs.

It just doesn't sit right with me at the moment, especially knowing the country is on its knees financially. "

Voice of reason

This is not the right time to moan about this pitiful offer.

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By *pursChick aka ShortieWoman
over a year ago

On a mooch

That's very generous and noble of you.

Where do the allowance increases for those who can't afford the 1% come from?

I’m no expert but wouldn’t raising the personal allowance before you pay tax negate the increase for lower earners?

It would. But that doesn't answer my question.

Where does it come from?

Your idea is great. However it reduces the monies collected in taxes, therefore there's less available for the purse to spend.

Ultimately the money would come from those paying taxes, either now or in the future, just as is the cost of furlough and the other schemes that have been running to help during the last year. It’s not free, spare money and the books will need to be balanced

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By *ocbigMan
over a year ago

Birmingham

Have to agree, it suits the political agenda to portray the country as ‘on its knees ‘ and we are borrowing huge sums. Someone else pointed out that government borrowing isn’t the same as household, a previous leader made the analogy of household economics to national & it is sleight of hand. Yes the money has been borrowed, yes it will be paid back, but HM Government doesn’t get a monthly statement to pay back at least £5, clear the balance or pay interest like you of I do. After all I can’t print more money if I have overextended..sorry quantatively ease..

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By *ames_LondonMan
over a year ago

Southgate

"There is 1.5 million NHS workers but only 750 thousand on the front line , are they all asking for more including all the admin ?

Yes..why would a hospital need admin?"

So the all the doctors don’t take a day off on the same day? So the nurses get paid at the end of the month? So the ambiances are taxed and MOT’ed? So the electricity stays on?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

What about all the other key workers who have been working non stop throughout this mess , I love the nHS but other key workers didn’t get clapped or early access to shops or free food and gifts , plus workers will be paying for this pandemic for decades to come with higher taxes etc , so no is my answer, we need to help get people back into jobs and the country back working again

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

The government has demonstrated that the magic money trees are alive and well, so there's no shortage of money to pay for a proper pay rise that counters inflation and rewards then appropriately. A small part of the test and trace £22 billion would be better diverted. We need to retain staff and recruit many more. I'd happily pay more tax to fund NHS pay rises, as they are underpaid. A race to the bottom is in nobody's interest. Borrowing costs are the lowest ever, so good investment is affordable. It's a phony war, to set beleaguered people against each other. Tax giveaways to the likes of Amazon show the financial health that has flexibility to reward whoever is chosen to benefit from the millionaires in government. Smoke and mirrors.

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"There is 1.5 million NHS workers but only 750 thousand on the front line , are they all asking for more including all the admin ?

Yes..why would a hospital need admin?

So the all the doctors don’t take a day off on the same day? So the nurses get paid at the end of the month? So the ambiances are taxed and MOT’ed? So the electricity stays on?"

I was being sarcastic.

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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago

upton wirral

"I work in the NHS, but I'm struggling with a pay rise knowing so many others have lost jobs.

It just doesn't sit right with me at the moment, especially knowing the country is on its knees financially.

If the country is on its knees why are they spending billions on hs2?

Or trident?

Or spending millions on a media room?

Or giving billions to their mates in ppe contracts?"
please join the real world

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"The government has demonstrated that the magic money trees are alive and well, so there's no shortage of money to pay for a proper pay rise that counters inflation and rewards then appropriately. A small part of the test and trace £22 billion would be better diverted. We need to retain staff and recruit many more. I'd happily pay more tax to fund NHS pay rises, as they are underpaid. A race to the bottom is in nobody's interest. Borrowing costs are the lowest ever, so good investment is affordable. It's a phony war, to set beleaguered people against each other. Tax giveaways to the likes of Amazon show the financial health that has flexibility to reward whoever is chosen to benefit from the millionaires in government. Smoke and mirrors. "

I find it interesting how the gmnt drop these little sayings into the media. There is no magic money tree,captain hindsight..and people repeat them almost parrot like,without even questioning the logic behind them.

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"I work in the NHS, but I'm struggling with a pay rise knowing so many others have lost jobs.

It just doesn't sit right with me at the moment, especially knowing the country is on its knees financially.

If the country is on its knees why are they spending billions on hs2?

Or trident?

Or spending millions on a media room?

Or giving billions to their mates in ppe contracts?please join the real world"

Rogtio

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By *ames_LondonMan
over a year ago

Southgate

"Have to agree, it suits the political agenda to portray the country as ‘on its knees ‘ and we are borrowing huge sums. Someone else pointed out that government borrowing isn’t the same as household, a previous leader made the analogy of household economics to national & it is sleight of hand. Yes the money has been borrowed, yes it will be paid back, but HM Government doesn’t get a monthly statement to pay back at least £5, clear the balance or pay interest like you of I do. After all I can’t print more money if I have overextended..sorry quantatively ease.."

Wait until furlough ends. You can’t print money forever. Otherwise, they might as well just print us all a couple of million each and no one will have to work at all

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By *ealthy_and_HungMan
over a year ago

Princes Risborough, Luasanne, Alderney

the government is about to on-shore loads of taxable assets that were off-shored to evade taxation, to 'zones' where they will still be untaxable. perhaps the nation could look there.

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By *pursChick aka ShortieWoman
over a year ago

On a mooch

An increase in everyone’s taxes is exactly what will happen to cover the nhs and other schemes. With the lower freshold for income tax already frozen for the next five years, everyone will fell the pinch and less take home pay each year, with no doubt more tax increases to come as well.

Most individuals are very unlikely to see a pay rise for the next couple of years at least, as businesses try to survive and hopefully keep their staff.

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By *ocbigMan
over a year ago

Birmingham

Wait until furlough ends. You can’t print money forever. Otherwise, they might as well just print us all a couple of million each and no one will have to work at all "

I didn’t mean to suggest that government should quantatively ease our way out of this, that way inflation lies..maybe hyper inflation, just illustrating that house & national finances are not the same. I have to work more to get more, countries can ‘create’ money or the appearance of money.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Where's that extra money from the bus tho??

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By *0shadesOfFilthMan
over a year ago

nearby

No shortage of money

They majicked up £100 bn for furlough, £2.6 million on Downing Street ‘media’ room, and Johnson’s just announced the biggest defence spending in 30 years.

Tory ideology, have your 1% / £3.50 a week / 10p an hour pay rise and sign up to johnsons charity to redecorate his flat

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By *ap d agde coupleCouple
over a year ago

Broadstairs

"There is 1.5 million NHS workers but only 750 thousand on the front line , are they all asking for more including all the admin ?

Yes..why would a hospital need admin?"
Meant all office staff in NHS

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By *0shadesOfFilthMan
over a year ago

nearby

MP’s had 3.1% pay rise this year.

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By *rispyDuckMan
over a year ago

Chinese Takeaway near you

1% a bloody insult if I've ever seen 1

They get bonuses, find money to refurb palaces & people who risk their lives to help others get 1% & clapping pfft. Keep your change I would say

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By *HaRiFMan
over a year ago

Beyond the shadows.

"I work in the NHS, but I'm struggling with a pay rise knowing so many others have lost jobs.

It just doesn't sit right with me at the moment, especially knowing the country is on its knees financially. "

What band are you on?

I agree a lot of people are on their knees financially but at the same time some have done really well out of it.

The majority of the money the government have borrowed, they have kind of have borrowed from them self's. So it's not like someone's going to come along and reposes the country if they miss a payment

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By *0shadesOfFilthMan
over a year ago

nearby

Queens sovereign grant has increased this year to £86 million this year

We’ve each paid £1283 for that. I’d rather it went to public services.

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By *ealthy_and_HungMan
over a year ago

Princes Risborough, Luasanne, Alderney

we're awash with money as a country, it's just that conservatives have highly questionable idealogical priorities.

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By *ch WellMan
over a year ago

Scotland

"I work in the NHS, but I'm struggling with a pay rise knowing so many others have lost jobs.

It just doesn't sit right with me at the moment, especially knowing the country is on its knees financially.

Voice of reason

This is not the right time to moan about this pitiful offer. "

It very much is the time to "moan" about it.

Nobody but those care staff whether it be doctors, nurses, carers or ambulance drivers have done more for our nation the last year and this is indeed a slap in the face for them.

They've continually been told how grateful we are, how much we are relying on them, how risky their role is right now. You name it, they've been told it. They have often been under appreciated until the chips were down and they stood tall and we saw just how much we depend on them.

Month after month we see billions quite rightly thrown at furlough, businesses, this that and the next thing. Billions, trillions of pounds spent. Money no object to get us through the darkest of times. Until now, the well has run dry, the magic money tree is no more again. When has it run dry? When it's time to show our appreciation to those we have depended on most.

It's quite frankly disgusting and should be a national embarrassment on a global scale.

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By *0shadesOfFilthMan
over a year ago

nearby

The tories cancelled trainee nurses bursaries and converted them to repayable student loans charged at 5.4%, increased to 5.6% this year, while the bank rate has been near zero for over a decade

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By *r_FaustusMan
over a year ago

Northampton

Agree: 1% is derisory, on top of the 8-10+% real-terms pay cut in 2010-19 (https://www.nuffieldtrust.org.uk/resource/chart-of-the-week-nhs-staff-pay-and-the-cost-of-living?fbclid=IwAR0TIBE70SgRWv4QZpIiS-onJeGNNpZi8m0-OA0ZV8apOQaQ9jN-zGMiJlU)

Servo Test & Trace: a £22 billion waste of space; if England had run it like Wales, it would have cost ~£2-3 billion, with enough £££ left over to give everyone working for the NHS a 15% pay rise.

There have been hundreds of millions given to friends of ministers. (And the anti-corruption minister will say nothing, because he’s married to the head of Serco Test & Trace.)

So: what to do? How about:

1. All companies seeking Govt business have to pay Fair Tax (https://fairtaxmark.net/)

2. All Govt departments and their subsidiaries (incl NHS) and companies seeking Govt business must pay a living wage (https://www.livingwage.org.uk/) and ensure their supply chains do so as well — benefitting care home staff

....but what about stimulating the economy? Well, there is one organisation present in every location and stratum: the NHS. Therefore:

3. Restore NHS take-home pay to 2010 levels (and reverse the raid on pensions); in practice, this will lead to spending in all local economies, better than any other move, stimulating local businesses. It will also: create a reasonable amount of tax income, offsetting the cost to the Exchequer; reduce the risk of many staff retiring early; and (from the Tories’ point of view) completely wrong-foot both Labour (National and in Welsh Govt) and SNP (Scottish Govt).

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"No shortage of money

They majicked up £100 bn for furlough, £2.6 million on Downing Street ‘media’ room, and Johnson’s just announced the biggest defence spending in 30 years.

Tory ideology, have your 1% / £3.50 a week / 10p an hour pay rise and sign up to johnsons charity to redecorate his flat "

Biggest increase in 30 years yet people still believe the nonsense about no magic money tree.

There is always money there when they need it

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"I work in the NHS, but I'm struggling with a pay rise knowing so many others have lost jobs.

It just doesn't sit right with me at the moment, especially knowing the country is on its knees financially.

Voice of reason

This is not the right time to moan about this pitiful offer.

It very much is the time to "moan" about it.

Nobody but those care staff whether it be doctors, nurses, carers or ambulance drivers have done more for our nation the last year and this is indeed a slap in the face for them.

It's quite frankly disgusting and should be a national embarrassment on a global scale."

It's the tip of a big iceberg.

Most key workers who have worked through it and are essentially facing a pay cut,

After a decade of pay fees and caps.

I think there would be widespread strikes later on in the year

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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago

Grantham

"MP’s had 3.1% pay rise this year. "

No, they did not. MPs pay was frozen back in December 2020.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

That's very generous and noble of you.

Where do the allowance increases for those who can't afford the 1% come from?

I’m no expert but wouldn’t raising the personal allowance before you pay tax negate the increase for lower earners? "

increasing tax and increasing nhs wages at the same time just means the tax absorbs the pay rise and its actually possible to end up worse off

for example if you start at wage of 100% and tax of 20% take home is 80% (ignoring NI for simplicity)

lets increase tax by 5% and give it to the nhs staff

nhs staff now start at 105% and are taxed 25% so take home becomes 78.75% - they actually took a pay cut in take home terms

meanwhile everyone else starts at 100% with 25% tax so has take home of 75% - everyone is worse off

the problem is people who don’t understand the maths of it , or even the scale (we aren’t talking about a few hundred people in the nhs so any tiny increase multiplied up across all people is a huge cost) sit at home thinking 1% is a tiny number just move everyone up 1% , or oh 5% isn’t much we could all pay that much more, without understanding that doesn’t actually achieve what they wanted in the first place

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

Council tax is going up anyway by around 5%

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Council tax is going up anyway by around 5%"

council tax isn’t linked to income tax

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By *pursChick aka ShortieWoman
over a year ago

On a mooch

"Council tax is going up anyway by around 5%"

All bills are going up, happens every year

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

But why don’t they use part of the £350 million they said would be going to the NHS.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

You can dress things up as much as you like with figures...but take into account the amount of wasted money this government has wasted and given to people who had their mobile numbers via dodgy contracts. The NHS have only had a 8% pay rise in 10 years which is well lower then inflation.

After what they have endured it this last 12 months...and the false promises they have had. For fucks sake give them the rise they deserve.

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By *rHotNottsMan
over a year ago

Dubai & Nottingham

"I’d pay an additional 1% in income tax to fund a pay rise for our NHS heroes. It would also fund many more health related schemes I’m sure that we would all benefit from.

Of course increase the personal allowance of those who can’t afford the 1%

Who’s with me?"

Anyone can donate to the NHS, you don’t need the tax man to force your arm

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"Council tax is going up anyway by around 5%

All bills are going up, happens every year "

Yet when wages stay the same people are considerably worse off.

Its estimated that a lot of people are 10-15%worse off in real terms,than a decade ago.

Not everyone of course.

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"Council tax is going up anyway by around 5%

council tax isn’t linked to income tax

But it's still the cost of living in general going off,which means after years of pay freezes and salary caps, people are substantially worse off.

You would have thought after 10 years of austerity ,they would have learnt their lesson.

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"You can dress things up as much as you like with figures...but take into account the amount of wasted money this government has wasted and given to people who had their mobile numbers via dodgy contracts. The NHS have only had a 8% pay rise in 10 years which is well lower then inflation.

After what they have endured it this last 12 months...and the false promises they have had. For fucks sake give them the rise they deserve. "

I asked it above.

If it was an election year,do you think they would risk such an unpopular move?

Of course not.

Which makes the ..we cant afford it line..another lie.

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By *irtyd468Man
over a year ago

North

"I’d pay an additional 1% in income tax to fund a pay rise for our NHS heroes. It would also fund many more health related schemes I’m sure that we would all benefit from.

Of course increase the personal allowance of those who can’t afford the 1%

Who’s with me?

Anyone can donate to the NHS, you don’t need the tax man to force your arm "

Nobody should have to donate though should they. The government should be paying them a wage that they rightly deserve. Now more so than ever after the year that the NHS has had.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Council tax is going up anyway by around 5%

council tax isn’t linked to income tax

But it's still the cost of living in general going off,which means after years of pay freezes and salary caps, people are substantially worse off.

You would have thought after 10 years of austerity ,they would have learnt their lesson.

Aye and all that austerity has just been given away to this corrupt bunches mates...

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By *pursChick aka ShortieWoman
over a year ago

On a mooch

After what they have endured it this last 12 months...and the false promises they have had. For fucks sake give them the rise they deserve.

I asked it above.

If it was an election year,do you think they would risk such an unpopular move?

Of course not.

Which makes the ..we cant afford it line..another lie."

Personally I don’t think it would make a difference. As to pay for it, it’s just taking more away from the rest of the population in their take home pay via NI and tax. Most individuals won’t see a pay rise this year or next, but their bills are still going to rise - do you think they’d be happy to see their income drop even less to pay for one sector ?

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By *rHotNottsMan
over a year ago

Dubai & Nottingham

"I’d pay an additional 1% in income tax to fund a pay rise for our NHS heroes. It would also fund many more health related schemes I’m sure that we would all benefit from.

Of course increase the personal allowance of those who can’t afford the 1%

Who’s with me?

Anyone can donate to the NHS, you don’t need the tax man to force your arm

Nobody should have to donate though should they. The government should be paying them a wage that they rightly deserve. Now more so than ever after the year that the NHS has had."

Not under socialism / communism no the government decide exactly how much each of us should give and take it from us , so there’s no such thing as charity or generosity. But we chose not to have that system

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

After what they have endured it this last 12 months...and the false promises they have had. For fucks sake give them the rise they deserve.

I asked it above.

If it was an election year,do you think they would risk such an unpopular move?

Of course not.

Which makes the ..we cant afford it line..another lie.

I for one would as this is the most important sector this country has and it as been undervalue for too long imo.

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

After what they have endured it this last 12 months...and the false promises they have had. For fucks sake give them the rise they deserve.

I asked it above.

If it was an election year,do you think they would risk such an unpopular move?

Of course not.

Which makes the ..we cant afford it line..another lie.

I know it's a simplistic argument but to me when you put money in peoples pockets, they go out and spend it creating more jobs, taxes etc..

When you cut and slash this doesn't happen

We saw the damage austerity did,and we are doing it again.

And all the time despite this lack of money,the gap between rich and poor gets wider.

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By *ealthy_and_HungMan
over a year ago

Princes Risborough, Luasanne, Alderney

"Not under socialism / communism no the government decide exactly how much each of us should give and take it from us , so there’s no such thing as charity or generosity. But we chose not to have that system"

this is nonsense, there is no mechanism to charitably donate money to nhs workers wages despite your bizzarre idea that there is; and labeling things as communist merely because you dislike them is juvenile to say the least.

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By *pursChick aka ShortieWoman
over a year ago

On a mooch

After what they have endured it this last 12 months...and the false promises they have had. For fucks sake give them the rise they deserve.

I asked it above.

If it was an election year,do you think they would risk such an unpopular move?

Of course not.

Which makes the ..we cant afford it line..another lie.

I for one would as this is the most important sector this country has and it as been undervalue for too long imo."

That is your choice but most are struggling to keep afloat as is, put food on the table and with their income to reduce more this year and next I doubt many would

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By *rincess PhoenixWoman
over a year ago

Southampton

1% is more than a lot of key services/essential workers are getting. People have lost their jobs or have faced pay cuts. We need to get the economy back on track before looking at increasing pay

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"But why don’t they use part of the £350 million they said would be going to the NHS.

1.3 million people work for the nhs in england alone - that £350 million would get them all approximately £269 each or 74p a day

which is exactly the point i was trying to make earlier about having no concept of the scale of things when people throw out daft suggestions of how this pay rise should be funded

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By *ealthy_and_HungMan
over a year ago

Princes Risborough, Luasanne, Alderney

"1% is more than a lot of key services/essential workers are getting. "

which key services/essential workers do you mean there?

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By *ealthy_and_HungMan
over a year ago

Princes Risborough, Luasanne, Alderney

"But why don’t they use part of the £350 million they said would be going to the NHS.

1.3 million people work for the nhs in england alone - that £350 million would get them all approximately £269 each or 74p a day

which is exactly the point i was trying to make earlier about having no concept of the scale of things when people throw out daft suggestions of how this pay rise should be funded "

how many of the 1.3 million are part-time, job sharing, in dentistry, opthalmics etc etc

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"1% is more than a lot of key services/essential workers are getting. People have lost their jobs or have faced pay cuts. We need to get the economy back on track before looking at increasing pay "

The NHS were not just key workers stacking shelves and thinking the person passing by might have had covid...they were getting up every day knowing they were going to be in close contact to people who had covid...and with very little PPE and thousands lost their life in doing so. Lest we forget.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I’d pay an additional 1% in income tax to fund a pay rise for our NHS heroes. It would also fund many more health related schemes I’m sure that we would all benefit from.

Of course increase the personal allowance of those who can’t afford the 1%

Who’s with me?

Anyone can donate to the NHS, you don’t need the tax man to force your arm

Nobody should have to donate though should they. The government should be paying them a wage that they rightly deserve. Now more so than ever after the year that the NHS has had."

can you name me one other industry where pay rises are based on having a hard year?

no business commits to continued future payments in this way - if anything they give one off performance related bonuses

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"1% is more than a lot of key services/essential workers are getting.

which key services/essential workers do you mean there?"

There is a pay freeze for most key workers

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"But why don’t they use part of the £350 million they said would be going to the NHS.

1.3 million people work for the nhs in england alone - that £350 million would get them all approximately £269 each or 74p a day

which is exactly the point i was trying to make earlier about having no concept of the scale of things when people throw out daft suggestions of how this pay rise should be funded

how many of the 1.3 million are part-time, job sharing, in dentistry, opthalmics etc etc"

how does that matter - would just mean a different split of that £350 million that clearly doesn’t touch the sides

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"1% is more than a lot of key services/essential workers are getting. People have lost their jobs or have faced pay cuts. We need to get the economy back on track before looking at increasing pay

*some of them were

the entire nhs have not been working on covid wards - i dont wish to downplay the effort by those that have but to use blankets statements like that just cheapens your point

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By *ove2pleaseseukMan
over a year ago

Hastings

That's very generous and noble of you.

Where do the allowance increases for those who can't afford the 1% come from?

I’m no expert but wouldn’t raising the personal allowance before you pay tax negate the increase for lower earners?

It would as they would automatically see an increase in their take home pay "

I'd rather see the lower rate threshold go up and then pay 1% more macking the poor better off and you could add 2% after the 50k

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By *ealthy_and_HungMan
over a year ago

Princes Risborough, Luasanne, Alderney

"But why don’t they use part of the £350 million they said would be going to the NHS.

1.3 million people work for the nhs in england alone - that £350 million would get them all approximately £269 each or 74p a day

which is exactly the point i was trying to make earlier about having no concept of the scale of things when people throw out daft suggestions of how this pay rise should be funded

how many of the 1.3 million are part-time, job sharing, in dentistry, opthalmics etc etc

how does that matter - would just mean a different split of that £350 million that clearly doesn’t touch the sides "

it matters because you linked other stats to a blanket figure which renders the basis of your point as nonsense

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"I’d pay an additional 1% in income tax to fund a pay rise for our NHS heroes. It would also fund many more health related schemes I’m sure that we would all benefit from.

Of course increase the personal allowance of those who can’t afford the 1%

Who’s with me?

Anyone can donate to the NHS, you don’t need the tax man to force your arm

Nobody should have to donate though should they. The government should be paying them a wage that they rightly deserve. Now more so than ever after the year that the NHS has had.

can you name me one other industry where pay rises are based on having a hard year?

no business commits to continued future payments in this way - if anything they give one off performance related bonuses "

Its completely different.

In the private sector when they have a good year, this is often reflected in pay etc

The public sector arent there to make a profit,they provide a service, they therefore shouldnt pay the price when the country is 'skint'.

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"But why don’t they use part of the £350 million they said would be going to the NHS.

1.3 million people work for the nhs in england alone - that £350 million would get them all approximately £269 each or 74p a day

which is exactly the point i was trying to make earlier about having no concept of the scale of things when people throw out daft suggestions of how this pay rise should be funded

how many of the 1.3 million are part-time, job sharing, in dentistry, opthalmics etc etc

how does that matter - would just mean a different split of that £350 million that clearly doesn’t touch the sides "

It was clearly just 1 example

How much is trident costing?

Or hs2?

Or the new defence budget?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"1% is more than a lot of key services/essential workers are getting. People have lost their jobs or have faced pay cuts. We need to get the economy back on track before looking at increasing pay

*some of them were

the entire nhs have not been working on covid wards - i dont wish to downplay the effort by those that have but to use blankets statements like that just cheapens your point "

as does pitting them off against others who had to be out working with the public imho

everyone* (to an extent- i know there have been selfish rule breakers) had their own part to play over the last year snd wether that be nurse or shelf stacker or sitting your ass at home to keep others safe it was all as important as each other and only works as a collective

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By *ealthy_and_HungMan
over a year ago

Princes Risborough, Luasanne, Alderney

"But why don’t they use part of the £350 million they said would be going to the NHS.

1.3 million people work for the nhs in england alone - that £350 million would get them all approximately £269 each or 74p a day

which is exactly the point i was trying to make earlier about having no concept of the scale of things when people throw out daft suggestions of how this pay rise should be funded

how many of the 1.3 million are part-time, job sharing, in dentistry, opthalmics etc etc

how does that matter - would just mean a different split of that £350 million that clearly doesn’t touch the sides

It was clearly just 1 example

How much is trident costing?

Or hs2?

Or the new defence budget?"

or 8 free-ports holding billions of billions in un-taxable tax evaded assets?

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By *pursChick aka ShortieWoman
over a year ago

On a mooch

That's very generous and noble of you.

Where do the allowance increases for those who can't afford the 1% come from?

I’m no expert but wouldn’t raising the personal allowance before you pay tax negate the increase for lower earners?

It would as they would automatically see an increase in their take home pay

I'd rather see the lower rate threshold go up and then pay 1% more macking the poor better off and you could add 2% after the 50k"

It went up this year but that’s it for the next five years, no more threshold rises. So in theory using your model, everyone’s take home pay would reduce to supplement approximately 0.2% of the population, yet everyone’s household bill expenditure is going to increase.

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By *ove2pleaseseukMan
over a year ago

Hastings

So could we add all his staff that have lost there life fighting the war on covid to war memorial' s so at least thay are remembered

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

Or the millions getting swerved by the likes of Amazon.

We could be here all day saying where the money could come from.

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By *ealthy_and_HungMan
over a year ago

Princes Risborough, Luasanne, Alderney

there's plenty of money it's merely inefficiently taxed by an idealogical government that is clearly incompentent at economics.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"But why don’t they use part of the £350 million they said would be going to the NHS.

1.3 million people work for the nhs in england alone - that £350 million would get them all approximately £269 each or 74p a day

which is exactly the point i was trying to make earlier about having no concept of the scale of things when people throw out daft suggestions of how this pay rise should be funded

how many of the 1.3 million are part-time, job sharing, in dentistry, opthalmics etc etc

how does that matter - would just mean a different split of that £350 million that clearly doesn’t touch the sides

it matters because you linked other stats to a blanket figure which renders the basis of your point as nonsense"

the basis of my point is £350 million from the side of a buss sounds like alot of money but actually we are talking about spreading it across alot of people and at that point you realise that £350m is very little

apologies if that wasn’t clear , but how does the job split of the 1.3 million change the point ? no natter how it is apportioned that £350m is not a large enough sum to make a noticeable difference

from the bbc

“ Currently almost half the NHS's budget goes on staffing costs - a total of £56.1bn.

So a 1% pay increase across the board would equate to more than £500m a year.”

so that £350m is even less than the 1% the poster was saying was too low

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By *rMrs84Couple
over a year ago

Doncaster

"I work in the NHS, but I'm struggling with a pay rise knowing so many others have lost jobs.

It just doesn't sit right with me at the moment, especially knowing the country is on its knees financially. "

I work in a private insurance firm and have received 2% this year.

Honestly don’t feel bad about getting what you have. It’s deserved and frankly needs to be standard at least moving forwards.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

" Its completely different.

In the private sector when they have a good year, this is often reflected in pay etc

The public sector arent there to make a profit,they provide a service, they therefore shouldnt pay the price when the country is 'skint'. "

thats entirely not true - performance related bonuses are linked to a good year - companies don’t commit to future spending off the back of a good year (which is what a pay rise is - increased cost forever more)

pay rises at best are linked to inflation and capped or don’t happen at all in a bad year - sound a bit like what’s happening with the nhs?

and saying the public sector are paying a price here suggests they are the only ones not getting increases while everyone else is (which would be a completely fair point) except actually its likely that their 1% is going to be higher than most others see this year

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

" Its completely different.

In the private sector when they have a good year, this is often reflected in pay etc

The public sector arent there to make a profit,they provide a service, they therefore shouldnt pay the price when the country is 'skint'.

pay rises at best are linked to inflation and capped or don’t happen at all in a bad year - sound a bit like what’s happening with the nhs?

What about those huge inflation busting pay rise ceos award themselves?

No what I'm saying is when the economy is booming..when business is doing well..there tends to be a knock on benefit on terms of wages etc

This doesnt happen in the public sector so they shouldnt bear the brunt when times are tough.

Its why its pointless comparing the 2 sectors.

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

There seems to be an argument here that every single person is going to be suffering.

This simply isnt the case.

The big shops for example, in guessing have done very well out of the pandemic.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

" Its completely different.

In the private sector when they have a good year, this is often reflected in pay etc

The public sector arent there to make a profit,they provide a service, they therefore shouldnt pay the price when the country is 'skint'.

pay rises at best are linked to inflation and capped or don’t happen at all in a bad year - sound a bit like what’s happening with the nhs?

What about those huge inflation busting pay rise ceos award themselves?

No what I'm saying is when the economy is booming..when business is doing well..there tends to be a knock on benefit on terms of wages etc

This doesnt happen in the public sector so they shouldnt bear the brunt when times are tough.

Its why its pointless comparing the 2 sectors."

its also pointless comparing ceos with industry as a whole - its not even remotely indicative of what people “on the ground” are getting

(although i was incredibly pleasantly surprised and had huge amount of respect for our board who actually sacrificed a portion of their wages last year because they knew they wouldn’t be giving out any pay rises and the last 3/4 years have been significantly below inflation) wasn’t something i thought i would ever see tbh

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By *irtyd468Man
over a year ago

North

"I’d pay an additional 1% in income tax to fund a pay rise for our NHS heroes. It would also fund many more health related schemes I’m sure that we would all benefit from.

Of course increase the personal allowance of those who can’t afford the 1%

Who’s with me?

Anyone can donate to the NHS, you don’t need the tax man to force your arm

Nobody should have to donate though should they. The government should be paying them a wage that they rightly deserve. Now more so than ever after the year that the NHS has had.

So under socialism / communism everyone gets the same amount of pay ? Is that what you are saying ?

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

Remember when we had austerity?

We all in this together.

Yeah right..normal people got hammered, services were cut to the bone and the gap between rich and poor got wider.

Its exactly the same.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"There seems to be an argument here that every single person is going to be suffering.

This simply isnt the case.

The big shops for example, in guessing have done very well out of the pandemic."

they will have but its incredibly naive to think thats going to be passed down to shop floor workers in large pay rises - a chunk of it will already be spent on investing in their home delivery networks and staff might get a one off bonus if they are lucky, probably an in line with inflation pay rise which should really be standard every year tbh (i saw someone quote current CPI as 0.9% but haven’t checked if that is correct) - the rest will be a nice dividend for shareholders

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Remember when we had austerity?

We all in this together.

Yeah right..normal people got hammered, services were cut to the bone and the gap between rich and poor got wider.

Its exactly the same."

and yet are you naive enough to think if we up tax to pay for a higher increase this rich poor gap will be resolved? because newsflash it will still be normal people getting hammered for it

you have chosen to live in a capitalist country and yet seem eternally disappointed that they dont have socialist ideals

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"There seems to be an argument here that every single person is going to be suffering.

This simply isnt the case.

The big shops for example, in guessing have done very well out of the pandemic.

I'm not saying they are..the point I'm trying to make is the narrative everyone is suffering(my point about austerity above)

What will happen is what normally does..the majority will suffer whilst the minority will not be affected in the slightest.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"There seems to be an argument here that every single person is going to be suffering.

This simply isnt the case.

The big shops for example, in guessing have done very well out of the pandemic.

I'm not saying they are..the point I'm trying to make is the narrative everyone is suffering(my point about austerity above)

What will happen is what normally does..the majority will suffer whilst the minority will not be affected in the slightest."

thats capitalism lionel - and thats the basis of the country you choose to live in - it literally wont ever change and you are only giving yourself grief by letting it wind you up - if you want away from it you have to move

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"Remember when we had austerity?

We all in this together.

Yeah right..normal people got hammered, services were cut to the bone and the gap between rich and poor got wider.

Its exactly the same.

and yet are you naive enough to think if we up tax to pay for a higher increase this rich poor gap will be resolved? because newsflash it will still be normal people getting hammered for it

you have chosen to live in a capitalist country and yet seem eternally disappointed that they dont have socialist ideals "

I think a country where some people cant afford a roof over their head whilst others have 2/3 houses is morally wrong..

Sue me.

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"There seems to be an argument here that every single person is going to be suffering.

This simply isnt the case.

The big shops for example, in guessing have done very well out of the pandemic.

I'm not saying they are..the point I'm trying to make is the narrative everyone is suffering(my point about austerity above)

What will happen is what normally does..the majority will suffer whilst the minority will not be affected in the slightest.

So what you are saying Is..if you think a system is unfair.. you should move?go and live elsewhere?

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By *rincess PhoenixWoman
over a year ago

Southampton

"1% is more than a lot of key services/essential workers are getting. People have lost their jobs or have faced pay cuts. We need to get the economy back on track before looking at increasing pay

I'm a key worker, I was not stacking shelves I was getting up close to people who were testing positive or refusing to get tested with only a disposable face mask. These lovely people wouldn't think twice about spitting at you or coughing in your face but I didn't/don't see anyone supporting the prison service

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By *irtyd468Man
over a year ago

North

"I’d pay an additional 1% in income tax to fund a pay rise for our NHS heroes. It would also fund many more health related schemes I’m sure that we would all benefit from.

Of course increase the personal allowance of those who can’t afford the 1%

Who’s with me?

Anyone can donate to the NHS, you don’t need the tax man to force your arm

Nobody should have to donate though should they. The government should be paying them a wage that they rightly deserve. Now more so than ever after the year that the NHS has had.

can you name me one other industry where pay rises are based on having a hard year?

no business commits to continued future payments in this way - if anything they give one off performance related bonuses "

And there is the problem the NHS isnt an industry or a buisness its a healthcare system that should try to treat its patients as best it can.

How many times have we heard about all the paperwork and pen pushers that weigh the NHS down.

The NHS isnt there to make a profit it should be there to give care and to use the money it is given the best way it can.

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"1% is more than a lot of key services/essential workers are getting. People have lost their jobs or have faced pay cuts. We need to get the economy back on track before looking at increasing pay

I mentioned above key workers are getting Nada.

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By *eenawMan
over a year ago

anywhere and everywhere

Likewise, not sure I would be comfortable when I have friends and family that have lost jobs in the last year.

There have been many people who have kept this country going, not just us in the NHS. I have just felt lucky and proud to be doing my bit.

We should all stop this is, it wrong or right to have been offered 1%, we should all just be grateful to be well and alive and do all we can to support each other and make 2021 and beyond a better place for all

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"There seems to be an argument here that every single person is going to be suffering.

This simply isnt the case.

The big shops for example, in guessing have done very well out of the pandemic.

I'm not saying they are..the point I'm trying to make is the narrative everyone is suffering(my point about austerity above)

What will happen is what normally does..the majority will suffer whilst the minority will not be affected in the slightest.

So what you are saying Is..if you think a system is unfair.. you should move?go and live elsewhere?"

pretty much , if you dont agree with the system and have repeatedly voted to change it with no success , and are still unhappy with the system , go find yourself another system that works for you

and you know what , if all the “normal people” thought the same way suddenly those people at the top would find they are no longer able to profit off the people turning the wheel anymore and they might at that point decide to something about it

currently you are expecting the people profiting from the wheel to vote with you to break the wheel and surely you can see how mad that is

if you really really want change then you have to make the change yourself

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By *kivi Bi MaleMan
over a year ago

North Shields

Well, no not really. Atleast you've got a sercue well paid job, it's not a decrease and if you stopped paying for your Union membership then it may look better.

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"Well, no not really. Atleast you've got a sercue well paid job, it's not a decrease and if you stopped paying for your Union membership then it may look better. "

And presumably give back all the benefits the union have got you?

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By *orkswatcherMan
over a year ago

Wakefield

I wonder if Labour was in power and offered 1% payrise there would be all this fuss

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"I wonder if Labour was in power and offered 1% payrise there would be all this fuss"

It would be worse

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"There seems to be an argument here that every single person is going to be suffering.

This simply isnt the case.

The big shops for example, in guessing have done very well out of the pandemic.

I'm not saying they are..the point I'm trying to make is the narrative everyone is suffering(my point about austerity above)

What will happen is what normally does..the majority will suffer whilst the minority will not be affected in the slightest.

So what you are saying Is..if you think a system is unfair.. you should move?go and live elsewhere?

pretty much , if you dont agree with the system and have repeatedly voted to change it with no success , and are still unhappy with the system , go find yourself another system that works for you

currently you are expecting the people profiting from the wheel to vote with you to break the wheel and surely you can see how mad that is

if you really really want change then you have to make the change yourself "

Its taking it of topic so I'll shut up now

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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago

Grantham

"I wonder if Labour was in power and offered 1% payrise there would be all this fuss"

Thats all that the Scotyish Goverment have currently offered and yet.....

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By *entleman_spyMan
over a year ago

nearby

Meh... it’s better than a 0% raise ... lots more people lost a lot more over the last 12 months ..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"There seems to be an argument here that every single person is going to be suffering.

This simply isnt the case.

The big shops for example, in guessing have done very well out of the pandemic.

I'm not saying they are..the point I'm trying to make is the narrative everyone is suffering(my point about austerity above)

What will happen is what normally does..the majority will suffer whilst the minority will not be affected in the slightest.

So what you are saying Is..if you think a system is unfair.. you should move?go and live elsewhere?

pretty much , if you dont agree with the system and have repeatedly voted to change it with no success , and are still unhappy with the system , go find yourself another system that works for you

currently you are expecting the people profiting from the wheel to vote with you to break the wheel and surely you can see how mad that is

if you really really want change then you have to make the change yourself

Its taking it of topic so I'll shut up now"

funny it never usually stops you - could it be that you think my comment has some logic?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

A lot is made of government being out of touch by offering a 1% rise but does the unions demands of 12.5% rise show they are even more out of touch? The arguments they deserve it due to a tough year suggest they should have pay cuts in a quiet year or people working in quiet wards don’t deserve it. The unions really need to work on their approach if they want to keep public support, is strike action really appropriate?

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By *irtyd468Man
over a year ago

North

"There seems to be an argument here that every single person is going to be suffering.

This simply isnt the case.

The big shops for example, in guessing have done very well out of the pandemic.

I'm not saying they are..the point I'm trying to make is the narrative everyone is suffering(my point about austerity above)

What will happen is what normally does..the majority will suffer whilst the minority will not be affected in the slightest.

So what you are saying Is..if you think a system is unfair.. you should move?go and live elsewhere?

pretty much , if you dont agree with the system and have repeatedly voted to change it with no success , and are still unhappy with the system , go find yourself another system that works for you

currently you are expecting the people profiting from the wheel to vote with you to break the wheel and surely you can see how mad that is

if you really really want change then you have to make the change yourself

Its taking it of topic so I'll shut up now

funny it never usually stops you - could it be that you think my comment has some logic? "

Or could it be that he just cant be bothered to read what you are writing anymore. As I know I cant.

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By *ornyJ3000Man
over a year ago

Near you

Helium balloons are going up!

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By *ch WellMan
over a year ago

Scotland

"A lot is made of government being out of touch by offering a 1% rise but does the unions demands of 12.5% rise show they are even more out of touch? The arguments they deserve it due to a tough year suggest they should have pay cuts in a quiet year or people working in quiet wards don’t deserve it. The unions really need to work on their approach if they want to keep public support, is strike action really appropriate?"

It's quite simple and normal negotiation. You start high,they start low,.you hopefully meet somewhere in between.

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

I think you've misunderstood the basis for their rightful claim for appropriate remuneration. I assume that you are not in a patient-facing role and perhaps are more comfortably off. The NHS has massive staff shortages. We need to recruit more as well as pay existing staff enough to retain them. It already costs us more as nurses, to study for our degrees, than it did until a couple of years ago. We need joined up thinking here.

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By *estivalMan
over a year ago

borehamwood

Dont bite my head off for this as i aint intending to knock nurses i even have frends who are nurses.i understand they dont get paid enough..but whenever i hear them complaining about the bad pay i always think to myself u knew the money was shit before you took the job.its been common knowledge for a few.decades they are underpaid and under appreciated yet some come across as if they had no idea about the pay and conditions.i not saying they dont deserve more they certainly do but for a massive amount of the population at the momment they aint got a pot to piss in or a window to throw it out of and have had a 20% paycut

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"There seems to be an argument here that every single person is going to be suffering.

This simply isnt the case.

The big shops for example, in guessing have done very well out of the pandemic.

I'm not saying they are..the point I'm trying to make is the narrative everyone is suffering(my point about austerity above)

What will happen is what normally does..the majority will suffer whilst the minority will not be affected in the slightest.

So what you are saying Is..if you think a system is unfair.. you should move?go and live elsewhere?

pretty much , if you dont agree with the system and have repeatedly voted to change it with no success , and are still unhappy with the system , go find yourself another system that works for you

currently you are expecting the people profiting from the wheel to vote with you to break the wheel and surely you can see how mad that is

if you really really want change then you have to make the change yourself

Its taking it of topic so I'll shut up now

funny it never usually stops you - could it be that you think my comment has some logic? "

Some of it.id gladly argue further .but its about the nhs pay rise not about the merits of socialism in 1 country,and I dont wanna be accused of derailing another thread.

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By *ealthy_and_HungMan
over a year ago

Princes Risborough, Luasanne, Alderney

"But why don’t they use part of the £350 million they said would be going to the NHS.

1.3 million people work for the nhs in england alone - that £350 million would get them all approximately £269 each or 74p a day

which is exactly the point i was trying to make earlier about having no concept of the scale of things when people throw out daft suggestions of how this pay rise should be funded

how many of the 1.3 million are part-time, job sharing, in dentistry, opthalmics etc etc

how does that matter - would just mean a different split of that £350 million that clearly doesn’t touch the sides

it matters because you linked other stats to a blanket figure which renders the basis of your point as nonsense

from the bbc

“ Currently almost half the NHS's budget goes on staffing costs - a total of £56.1bn.

So a 1% pay increase across the board would equate to more than £500m a year.”

so that £350m is even less than the 1% the poster was saying was too low "

the £350 million figure on the brexit bus was contextually a weekly sum, so best keep it in context rather than the £350 million anually that you are misrepresenting. 350 mil x 52 = 18,200 million ... more than plenty many times over.

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By *irtylittletramp100TV/TS
over a year ago

Notts

"I work in the NHS, but I'm struggling with a pay rise knowing so many others have lost jobs.

It just doesn't sit right with me at the moment, especially knowing the country is on its knees financially. "

its good of you to say it, plenty dont even have a job, although apparently they could have picked daffodils but british people are to weak to do that, we need tough latvians lol even so, in current climate i think 1% is ok although i agree with op if we can afford lottery tickets and big macs we can afford extra for nhs

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"There seems to be an argument here that every single person is going to be suffering.

This simply isnt the case.

The big shops for example, in guessing have done very well out of the pandemic.

I'm not saying they are..the point I'm trying to make is the narrative everyone is suffering(my point about austerity above)

What will happen is what normally does..the majority will suffer whilst the minority will not be affected in the slightest.

So what you are saying Is..if you think a system is unfair.. you should move?go and live elsewhere?

pretty much , if you dont agree with the system and have repeatedly voted to change it with no success , and are still unhappy with the system , go find yourself another system that works for you

currently you are expecting the people profiting from the wheel to vote with you to break the wheel and surely you can see how mad that is

if you really really want change then you have to make the change yourself

Its taking it of topic so I'll shut up now

funny it never usually stops you - could it be that you think my comment has some logic?

Or could it be that he just cant be bothered to read what you are writing anymore. As I know I cant."

Yet you clearly did.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"1% is more than a lot of key services/essential workers are getting.

which key services/essential workers do you mean there?

There is a pay freeze for most key workers"
not for me best year i have ever had, been brilliant as far as work goes earnt around a third more this year than normal same goes for lots of industries with key workers, and every one keeps going on about nhs staff struggling my sister is a nurse and has worked masses of over time this last year all on time overtime she has done really well financially and has managed to save a quite large deposit for a house.

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By *ealthy_and_HungMan
over a year ago

Princes Risborough, Luasanne, Alderney

" my sister is a nurse and has worked masses of over time this last year all on time overtime she has done really well financially "

so having to do 15 months (e.g) worth of work in 1 year is a reward? utterly bizarre thinking. besides, if the nhs wasn't so understaffed then the expense of paying overtime would be unecessary.

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"Dont bite my head off for this as i aint intending to knock nurses i even have frends who are nurses.i understand they dont get paid enough..but whenever i hear them complaining about the bad pay i always think to myself u knew the money was shit before you took the job.its been common knowledge for a few.decades they are underpaid and under appreciated yet some come across as if they had no idea about the pay and conditions.i not saying they dont deserve more they certainly do but for a massive amount of the population at the momment they aint got a pot to piss in or a window to throw it out of and have had a 20% paycut"

Maybe some of them see it more of a vocation than a job?

You would have to ask them

I do think we would be up shit creek if half of them decided to do something else.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

But what is appropriate remuneration? Average nurses salary is 33k and overtime is paid, although I appreciate many hours are worked without overtime being claimed. Good nurses with a strong work ethic deserve a decent pay package and to be looked after but that doesn’t apply to all nurses in my experience, which is where the blanket pay rises come unstuck. The bad ones get rewarded for the good ones effort.

Also you say the NHS is understaffed when in reality it is mismanaged with regard to staff, it is one of the world’s largest employers just not the right people in the right place.

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"1% is more than a lot of key services/essential workers are getting.

which key services/essential workers do you mean there?

There is a pay freeze for most key workers not for me best year i have ever had, been brilliant as far as work goes earnt around a third more this year than normal same goes for lots of industries with key workers, and every one keeps going on about nhs staff struggling my sister is a nurse and has worked masses of over time this last year all on time overtime she has done really well financially and has managed to save a quite large deposit for a house. "

What would have happened if no one fancied doing ovies?

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"But what is appropriate remuneration? Average nurses salary is 33k and overtime is paid, although I appreciate many hours are worked without overtime being claimed. Good nurses with a strong work ethic deserve a decent pay package and to be looked after but that doesn’t apply to all nurses in my experience, which is where the blanket pay rises come unstuck. The bad ones get rewarded for the good ones effort.

Also you say the NHS is understaffed when in reality it is mismanaged with regard to staff, it is one of the world’s largest employers just not the right people in the right place."

You think there should be performance related pay?

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By *ealthy_and_HungMan
over a year ago

Princes Risborough, Luasanne, Alderney

"Maybe some of them see it more of a vocation than a job?

You would have to ask them

I do think we would be up shit creek if half of them decided to do something else."

the way things were mis-managed by this particular government, then if we had relied on private healthcare in this land during the last 14 months the country would have quite possibly collapsed.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

" my sister is a nurse and has worked masses of over time this last year all on time overtime she has done really well financially

so having to do 15 months (e.g) worth of work in 1 year is a reward? utterly bizarre thinking. besides, if the nhs wasn't so understaffed then the expense of paying overtime would be unecessary."
how is that bizarre she wanted to do the overtime to earn more money to get her self on the property ladder I have a lot of respect for anyone willing to work hard to accomplish there goals, what should she have done sit about waiting for a pay rise that would have been a long wait might as well grab the overtime while it's there.

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By *ealthy_and_HungMan
over a year ago

Princes Risborough, Luasanne, Alderney

" how is that bizarre she wanted to do the overtime to earn more money to get her self on the property ladder I have a lot of respect for anyone willing to work hard to accomplish there goals, what should she have done sit about waiting for a pay rise that would have been a long wait might as well grab the overtime while it's there."

you bizzarre argument has now gone from bizzarre to ridiculous.

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By *iguynorwichMan
over a year ago

norwich

What’s stopping you paying more tax if you really want to?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Not sure about that, private health care providers offer a pretty good service. So many ill, old and vulnerable have been massively let down by the NHS throughout this. If they had private healthcare insurance they would have received far better care

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By *ensualguy70TV/TS
over a year ago

paisley

"I’d pay an additional 1% in income tax to fund a pay rise for our NHS heroes. It would also fund many more health related schemes I’m sure that we would all benefit from.

Of course increase the personal allowance of those who can’t afford the 1%

Who’s with me?"

Im with you, unfortunately the powers that be have no interest in the NHS except when it suits their own agenda, just look at the protect the NHS that we have had rammed down our throats, to suit the agenda, to the fuck you approach when the NHS asks for a payrise.

im all for suing Hancock for the 30 million he paid his pub lznd lord mate, then the court ordering bim to pay that money into the NHS.

Where did the money go that Major Tom raised???

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By *ssex_tomMan
over a year ago

Chelmsford

"There seems to be an argument here that every single person is going to be suffering.

This simply isnt the case.

The big shops for example, in guessing have done very well out of the pandemic.

I'm not saying they are..the point I'm trying to make is the narrative everyone is suffering(my point about austerity above)

What will happen is what normally does..the majority will suffer whilst the minority will not be affected in the slightest.

So what you are saying Is..if you think a system is unfair.. you should move?go and live elsewhere?

pretty much , if you dont agree with the system and have repeatedly voted to change it with no success , and are still unhappy with the system , go find yourself another system that works for you

currently you are expecting the people profiting from the wheel to vote with you to break the wheel and surely you can see how mad that is

if you really really want change then you have to make the change yourself

Its taking it of topic so I'll shut up now"

No need to shut up Lionel. Your contributions are as valuable as any. I remember when you ripped up your communist party rulebook because it was too right wing for you and formed the Toxteth Popular Front..

The trouble with key workers is the definition. To you they are nurses and doctors. To me they are the man who owns my local kebabshop, chippy and Chinese takeaway...

You are right that the gap between rich and poor gets greater but to be honest money never brought me any happiness.. you need to remember that there is no such thing as a money tree....

And you are right. They find money if they need to. I am no racist but HS2 being the whitest of white elephants as well as those aircraft carriers..

After years of Austerity they still find the money to fight wars .... Please do not feel the need to leave this country because you don't like how it's run.. You are English by birth and I am Welsh by the grace of God... when I was in the Armed Forces we had a saying..Better to be inside the tent pissing out than outside the tent pissing in..

Rule Britannia !

Better inside the

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

you bizzarre argument has now gone from bizzarre to ridiculous."
why is that? Which part are you not happy with?.

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By *0shadesOfFilthMan
over a year ago

nearby

Based on average NHS pay of £29,578 pa the 1% amounts to about 14p an hour.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"1% is more than a lot of key services/essential workers are getting.

which key services/essential workers do you mean there?

over time is just that though- time over and above your standard - it shouldn’t form part of pay negotiations , even if working extra meant you were able to make more in the last year

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"There seems to be an argument here that every single person is going to be suffering.

This simply isnt the case.

The big shops for example, in guessing have done very well out of the pandemic.

I'm not saying they are..the point I'm trying to make is the narrative everyone is suffering(my point about austerity above)

What will happen is what normally does..the majority will suffer whilst the minority will not be affected in the slightest.

So what you are saying Is..if you think a system is unfair.. you should move?go and live elsewhere?

pretty much , if you dont agree with the system and have repeatedly voted to change it with no success , and are still unhappy with the system , go find yourself another system that works for you

currently you are expecting the people profiting from the wheel to vote with you to break the wheel and surely you can see how mad that is

if you really really want change then you have to make the change yourself

Its taking it of topic so I'll shut up now

The trouble with key workers is the definition. To you they are nurses and doctors. To me they are the man who owns my local kebabshop, chippy and Chinese takeaway...

You are right that the gap between rich and poor gets greater but to be honest money never brought me any happiness.. you need to remember that there is no such thing as a money tree....

And you are right. They find money if they need to. I am no racist but HS2 being the whitest of white elephants as well as those aircraft carriers..

Rule Britannia !

Better inside the

Lols

You do tickle me Thomas

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Also you say the NHS is understaffed when in reality it is mismanaged with regard to staff, it is one of the world’s largest employers just not the right people in the right place.

You think there should be performance related pay?"

performance related pay in something like healthcare doesn’t work because performance has to be matched against targets and human health doesn’t fit nicely into targets

it would influence which patients received which care due to the likelihood of them improving that performance score

it doesn’t mean that there can’t be blanket front line “performance” bonuses to acknowledge that this year anyone involved with covid patients had to step up - but beyond something quite generic like that it becomes dangerous territory i think

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"Not sure about that, private health care providers offer a pretty good service. So many ill, old and vulnerable have been massively let down by the NHS throughout this. If they had private healthcare insurance they would have received far better care"

I'd sure the old and vulnerable have got grands sitting there in the bank, they can give to the likes 9f serco.

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

Also you say the NHS is understaffed when in reality it is mismanaged with regard to staff, it is one of the world’s largest employers just not the right people in the right place.

You think there should be performance related pay?

performance related pay in something like healthcare doesn’t work because performance has to be matched against targets and human health doesn’t fit nicely into targets

it would influence which patients received which care due to the likelihood of them improving that performance score

Thats why I asked the question as the poster seemed to be implying it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

you bizzarre argument has now gone from bizzarre to ridiculous."

its not bizarre , i think you are just talking at cross purposes and both right-

he is right why shouldn’t she be able to go out snd work the extra hours if she so chooses to get extra money into her household

but you are also right- you shouldn’t have to work overtime to supplement a basic wage - it should be optional for life’s luxuries and therefore not part of the debate when discussing pay rises

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Also you say the NHS is understaffed when in reality it is mismanaged with regard to staff, it is one of the world’s largest employers just not the right people in the right place.

You think there should be performance related pay?

performance related pay in something like healthcare doesn’t work because performance has to be matched against targets and human health doesn’t fit nicely into targets

it would influence which patients received which care due to the likelihood of them improving that performance score

Thats why I asked the question as the poster seemed to be implying it."

yeah i was just agreeing and expanding - i dont actually disagree with stuff just because you said it - a valid point is still a valid point

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"What’s stopping you paying more tax if you really want to?"

uhhh the tax system

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By *irtylittletramp100TV/TS
over a year ago

Notts

I'd sure the old and vulnerable have got grands sitting there in the bank, they can give to the likes 9f serco. "

what has their bank balance got to do with it? im sure people could sell their cars or....

you seem a very jealous person on these threads

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

I'd sure the old and vulnerable have got grands sitting there in the bank, they can give to the likes 9f serco.

what has their bank balance got to do with it? im sure people could sell their cars or....

you seem a very jealous person on these threads

You realise you pay for private health care?

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

you bizzarre argument has now gone from bizzarre to ridiculous.

its not bizarre , i think you are just talking at cross purposes and both right-

he is right why shouldn’t she be able to go out snd work the extra hours if she so chooses to get extra money into her household

but you are also right- you shouldn’t have to work overtime to supplement a basic wage - it should be optional for life’s luxuries and therefore not part of the debate when discussing pay rises "

I did ask what would happen if people didnt want to work all the hours god sends but I havent had a reply.

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over a year ago

I'd sure the old and vulnerable have got grands sitting there in the bank, they can give to the likes 9f serco.

what has their bank balance got to do with it? im sure people could sell their cars or....

you seem a very jealous person on these threads

both sides of this have lost me? do you think someone should have to sell their car to get medical treatment?

but at the same time why do you need grands in the bank to pay for a private health insurance policy? isn’t the purpose of it that you only pay the excess?

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"What’s stopping you paying more tax if you really want to?"

Maybe because you have no say where the money goes.?

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By *irtylittletramp100TV/TS
over a year ago

Notts

I'd sure the old and vulnerable have got grands sitting there in the bank, they can give to the likes 9f serco.

what has their bank balance got to do with it? im sure people could sell their cars or....

you seem a very jealous person on these threads

You realise you pay for private health care?"

thats why its called private! However in your post you are telling the old that if they dont like the care the nhs gives "you are sure they have grands sitting in the bank"... again, what has that got to do with accepting poor care?

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By *ik MMan
over a year ago

Lancashire

"Remember when we had austerity?

We all in this together.

Yeah right..normal people got hammered, services were cut to the bone and the gap between rich and poor got wider.

Its exactly the same.

and yet are you naive enough to think if we up tax to pay for a higher increase this rich poor gap will be resolved? because newsflash it will still be normal people getting hammered for it

you have chosen to live in a capitalist country and yet seem eternally disappointed that they dont have socialist ideals

I think a country where some people cant afford a roof over their head whilst others have 2/3 houses is morally wrong..

Sue me."

So what about the NHS workers who have more than 1 house. How much pay rise should they get?

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

I'd sure the old and vulnerable have got grands sitting there in the bank, they can give to the likes 9f serco.

what has their bank balance got to do with it? im sure people could sell their cars or....

you seem a very jealous person on these threads

both sides of this have lost me? do you think someone should have to sell their car to get medical treatment?

but at the same time why do you need grands in the bank to pay for a private health insurance policy? isn’t the purpose of it that you only pay the excess? "

It depends on the type of system you have presumably?

There are countless stories of people having to sell their homes in the states,because of the cost of healthcare.

As has been stated numerous times already, people are struggling to survive as it is,so how are they going to afford private health care?

The example was given of old and vulnerable people..who presumably dont have a load of spare cash lying around.

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"Remember when we had austerity?

We all in this together.

Yeah right..normal people got hammered, services were cut to the bone and the gap between rich and poor got wider.

Its exactly the same.

and yet are you naive enough to think if we up tax to pay for a higher increase this rich poor gap will be resolved? because newsflash it will still be normal people getting hammered for it

you have chosen to live in a capitalist country and yet seem eternally disappointed that they dont have socialist ideals

I think a country where some people cant afford a roof over their head whilst others have 2/3 houses is morally wrong..

Sue me.

So what about the NHS workers who have more than 1 house. How much pay rise should they get? "

Do many nurses have more than 1 house?

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

I'd sure the old and vulnerable have got grands sitting there in the bank, they can give to the likes 9f serco.

what has their bank balance got to do with it? im sure people could sell their cars or....

you seem a very jealous person on these threads

You realise you pay for private health care?

No .

I.didnt say that.

You implied the old and vulnerable should get private health care if they were not happy with the nhs

I said they may not have the funds to do this.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I wasn’t suggesting performance related pay as that would be impossible, I just think that currently the poor staff get rewarded as much as the best and yet getting rid of a bad nurse is pretty difficult

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Healthcare insurance is not expensive, especially when compared to other forms of insurance. You don’t have to pay for the treatments you receive

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By *ik MMan
over a year ago

Lancashire

"Remember when we had austerity?

We all in this together.

Yeah right..normal people got hammered, services were cut to the bone and the gap between rich and poor got wider.

Its exactly the same.

and yet are you naive enough to think if we up tax to pay for a higher increase this rich poor gap will be resolved? because newsflash it will still be normal people getting hammered for it

you have chosen to live in a capitalist country and yet seem eternally disappointed that they dont have socialist ideals

I think a country where some people cant afford a roof over their head whilst others have 2/3 houses is morally wrong..

Sue me.

So what about the NHS workers who have more than 1 house. How much pay rise should they get?

Do many nurses have more than 1 house?"

Probably not many but some will do. I’ll ask again - how much pay rise should they get?

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By *irtylittletramp100TV/TS
over a year ago

Notts

I'd sure the old and vulnerable have got grands sitting there in the bank, they can give to the likes 9f serco.

what has their bank balance got to do with it? im sure people could sell their cars or....

you seem a very jealous person on these threads

You realise you pay for private health care?

No .

I.didnt say that.

You implied the old and vulnerable should get private health care if they were not happy with the nhs

I said they may not have the funds to do this."

no you didnt, you wrote... I'd sure the old and vulnerable have got grands sitting there in the bank, they can give to the likes 9f serco...

thats exactly what you wrote with bad spelling

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'd sure the old and vulnerable have got grands sitting there in the bank, they can give to the likes 9f serco.

what has their bank balance got to do with it? im sure people could sell their cars or....

you seem a very jealous person on these threads

both sides of this have lost me? do you think someone should have to sell their car to get medical treatment?

but at the same time why do you need grands in the bank to pay for a private health insurance policy? isn’t the purpose of it that you only pay the excess?

It depends on the type of system you have presumably?

There are countless stories of people having to sell their homes in the states,because of the cost of healthcare.

As has been stated numerous times already, people are struggling to survive as it is,so how are they going to afford private health care?

The example was given of old and vulnerable people..who presumably dont have a load of spare cash lying around."

yeah but we aren’t in the states so its not a fair comparison , people in the uk have the choice of the nhs or paying for an additional private insurance policy

unless it is elective surgery then nobody will need thousands in the bank for treatment unless i am misunderstanding (i have very limited experience of private healthcare so i might be)

but like i said both sides of the argument were lost on me because we shouldn’t be telling old folk that if they got poor care its because they didn’t go private - they should be able to expect a good level of care from the nhs too

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By *ack with a bangCouple
over a year ago

Hastings

"I work in the NHS, but I'm struggling with a pay rise knowing so many others have lost jobs.

It just doesn't sit right with me at the moment, especially knowing the country is on its knees financially. "

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"Healthcare insurance is not expensive, especially when compared to other forms of insurance. You don’t have to pay for the treatments you receive"

How much is it?

So if you need treatment,you dont pay a penny?

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By *irtylittletramp100TV/TS
over a year ago

Notts

"Healthcare insurance is not expensive, especially when compared to other forms of insurance. You don’t have to pay for the treatments you receive

How much is it?

So if you need treatment,you dont pay a penny?"

you should know, you were telling old people to use it, check back up thread lol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Healthcare insurance is not expensive, especially when compared to other forms of insurance. You don’t have to pay for the treatments you receive

How much is it?

So if you need treatment,you dont pay a penny?"

my work pay for my policy but i am sure on my benefit statement its less than £50 a month (although i expect my employer get cheaper policies due to volume of contract) - it must be a pretty generic policy as we didn’t get any health screens when we signed up

if i want to use it for anything i pay £100 excess per rolling year and if i have a stay in an nhs hospital they actually would pay me for not using the private policy

- i used it to see a dermatologist a few years back and the issue had been bothering me for about 4 years at the time - bad skin is pretty trivial and something you arent likely to het to see a specialist for on the nhs without a significant wait - my wait was 2 weeks and therefore the best £100 i think ive ever spent

i would have had to pay for the medication if i took it there and then but they gave me the option of a letter to take to go and get a prescription , i imagine if we had only a private system medication alone would get pretty expensive pretty quickly

the experience i had was good but only because it was supplementary to the nhs and i would never advocate for going totally private

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

I'd sure the old and vulnerable have got grands sitting there in the bank, they can give to the likes 9f serco.

what has their bank balance got to do with it? im sure people could sell their cars or....

you seem a very jealous person on these threads

both sides of this have lost me? do you think someone should have to sell their car to get medical treatment?

but at the same time why do you need grands in the bank to pay for a private health insurance policy? isn’t the purpose of it that you only pay the excess?

It depends on the type of system you have presumably?

There are countless stories of people having to sell their homes in the states,because of the cost of healthcare.

As has been stated numerous times already, people are struggling to survive as it is,so how are they going to afford private health care?

The example was given of old and vulnerable people..who presumably dont have a load of spare cash lying around.

yeah but we aren’t in the states so its not a fair comparison , people in the uk have the choice of the nhs or paying for an additional private insurance policy

unless it is elective surgery then nobody will need thousands in the bank for treatment unless i am misunderstanding (i have very limited experience of private healthcare so i might be)

Like I said..its totally dependent on the type of system we have.

I've never had it so I dont know how it works. I'm assume it would be like home insurance where you pay x amount and an excess when yiu make a claim?

I'd rather stick with what we have tbh

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"Healthcare insurance is not expensive, especially when compared to other forms of insurance. You don’t have to pay for the treatments you receive

How much is it?

So if you need treatment,you dont pay a penny?

you should know, you were telling old people to use it, check back up thread lol

Sigh.

You said the old and vulnerable could get private care of they were let down by the nhs.

I was pointing out they may not be able to afford it.

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over a year ago

I'd sure the old and vulnerable have got grands sitting there in the bank, they can give to the likes 9f serco.

what has their bank balance got to do with it? im sure people could sell their cars or....

you seem a very jealous person on these threads

both sides of this have lost me? do you think someone should have to sell their car to get medical treatment?

but at the same time why do you need grands in the bank to pay for a private health insurance policy? isn’t the purpose of it that you only pay the excess?

It depends on the type of system you have presumably?

There are countless stories of people having to sell their homes in the states,because of the cost of healthcare.

As has been stated numerous times already, people are struggling to survive as it is,so how are they going to afford private health care?

The example was given of old and vulnerable people..who presumably dont have a load of spare cash lying around.

yeah but we aren’t in the states so its not a fair comparison , people in the uk have the choice of the nhs or paying for an additional private insurance policy

unless it is elective surgery then nobody will need thousands in the bank for treatment unless i am misunderstanding (i have very limited experience of private healthcare so i might be)

Like I said..its totally dependent on the type of system we have.

I've never had it so I dont know how it works. I'm assume it would be like home insurance where you pay x amount and an excess when yiu make a claim?

I'd rather stick with what we have tbh"

yeah i agree, its fine if its for something you want done electively, in a hurry (or even more convenient time - i saw a specialist once for something that i was able to see in the evening and in another city when i was working away rather than have to travel back to my own city during a working week for a day time appointment) or something you dont think is a big enough deal to bother the nhs with (like my skin bugging me)

but its definitely not a good replacement for the nhs - you only have to look to america to see that

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By *oistknickersCouple
over a year ago

London

"I’d pay an additional 1% in income tax to fund a pay rise for our NHS heroes. It would also fund many more health related schemes I’m sure that we would all benefit from.

Of course increase the personal allowance of those who can’t afford the 1%

Who’s with me?"

I’d be happy to both those things.

Also how about making the super rich pay tax, close the off shore tax havens.

It amazing how often tax exiles speak out about what’s wrong in this country but don’t pay their tax.

It’s a perfectly simple thing to do, is this controversial?

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"Healthcare insurance is not expensive, especially when compared to other forms of insurance. You don’t have to pay for the treatments you receive

How much is it?

So if you need treatment,you dont pay a penny?

if i want to use it for anything i pay £100 excess per rolling year and if i have a stay in an nhs hospital they actually would pay me for not using the private policy

the experience i had was good but only because it was supplementary to the nhs and i would never advocate for going totally private "

£50 still isnt cheap though if you are struggling?

And I'm guessing not every employer would offer it.

And off course the problem Is when more and more people decide to go private it could have a detrimental effect on the NHS.

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"I’d pay an additional 1% in income tax to fund a pay rise for our NHS heroes. It would also fund many more health related schemes I’m sure that we would all benefit from.

Of course increase the personal allowance of those who can’t afford the 1%

Who’s with me?

I’d be happy to both those things.

Also how about making the super rich pay tax, close the off shore tax havens.

It amazing how often tax exiles speak out about what’s wrong in this country but don’t pay their tax.

It’s a perfectly simple thing to do, is this controversial?"

Agreed

But you would be surprised how many wouldnt.

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By *irtylittletramp100TV/TS
over a year ago

Notts

I'd sure the old and vulnerable have got grands sitting there in the bank, they can give to the likes 9f serco.

these are your exact words lionel, YOU said them not me! So suck it up, you sound bitter!

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"I'd sure the old and vulnerable have got grands sitting there in the bank, they can give to the likes 9f serco.

these are your exact words lionel, YOU said them not me! So suck it up, you sound bitter!

So.many old,vulnerable and ill have been massively let down by the nhs..if they had private health care,they would recieved better care.

Who said those words?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Healthcare insurance is not expensive, especially when compared to other forms of insurance. You don’t have to pay for the treatments you receive

How much is it?

So if you need treatment,you dont pay a penny?

if i want to use it for anything i pay £100 excess per rolling year and if i have a stay in an nhs hospital they actually would pay me for not using the private policy

the experience i had was good but only because it was supplementary to the nhs and i would never advocate for going totally private

£50 still isnt cheap though if you are struggling?

And I'm guessing not every employer would offer it.

And off course the problem Is when more and more people decide to go private it could have a detrimental effect on the NHS."

its cheaper than what i pay in NI by a mile but i doubt very much that would be the end cost if we scrapped the nhs which i totally don’t agree with

i am very well aware that what i get from my employer is a benefit - thats why i see it as supplementary to the nhs - and for what i do get that £50 is more than reasonable

but it shouldn’t be the required standard for medical care - medical care should be free at the point of treatment for all so people who are struggling wouldn’t need to pay the £50

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"Healthcare insurance is not expensive, especially when compared to other forms of insurance. You don’t have to pay for the treatments you receive

How much is it?

So if you need treatment,you dont pay a penny?

if i want to use it for anything i pay £100 excess per rolling year and if i have a stay in an nhs hospital they actually would pay me for not using the private policy

the experience i had was good but only because it was supplementary to the nhs and i would never advocate for going totally private

£50 still isnt cheap though if you are struggling?

And I'm guessing not every employer would offer it.

And off course the problem Is when more and more people decide to go private it could have a detrimental effect on the NHS.

its cheaper than what i pay in NI by a mile but i doubt very much that would be the end cost if we scrapped the nhs which i totally don’t agree with

i am very well aware that what i get from my employer is a benefit - thats why i see it as supplementary to the nhs - and for what i do get that £50 is more than reasonable

but it shouldn’t be the required standard for medical care - medical care should be free at the point of treatment for all so people who are struggling wouldn’t need to pay the £50 "

I just think it's a slippery slope.

The NHS isnt lent perfect..but it needs looking after.

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By *irtylittletramp100TV/TS
over a year ago

Notts

"I'd sure the old and vulnerable have got grands sitting there in the bank, they can give to the likes 9f serco.

these are your exact words lionel, YOU said them not me! So suck it up, you sound bitter!

So.many old,vulnerable and ill have been massively let down by the nhs..if they had private health care,they would recieved better care.

Who said those words?"

the poster before you! read back up the thread... and hand your labour supporters card in at the door lol

to be fair you could have said it tongue in cheek?

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By *obka3Couple
over a year ago

bournemouth

"Healthcare insurance is not expensive, especially when compared to other forms of insurance. You don’t have to pay for the treatments you receive

How much is it?

So if you need treatment,you dont pay a penny?

if i want to use it for anything i pay £100 excess per rolling year and if i have a stay in an nhs hospital they actually would pay me for not using the private policy

the experience i had was good but only because it was supplementary to the nhs and i would never advocate for going totally private

£50 still isnt cheap though if you are struggling?

And I'm guessing not every employer would offer it.

And off course the problem Is when more and more people decide to go private it could have a detrimental effect on the NHS."

Every person that goes private saves the nhs the cost of that treatment but they still pay tax that goes to the nhs so that helps others, your blind hatred of the tories and everyone with a pound more than you and makes choices on how to spend that pound is very sad.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

i disagree with the slippery slope thing - its possible for both to work alongside each other in harmony , my employer paying a private policy doesn’t stop the nhs being looked after

private dental care has existed wince before i was born and yet nhs dental care hasn’t disappeared

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

also just a pondering, how come it was ok to derail the thread to private healthcare but not to discuss expecting socialist policies (ie pay rises for all) from a capitalist government?

threads go where they go and politics is so interlinked that its just natural for tangents to happen

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"also just a pondering, how come it was ok to derail the thread to private healthcare but not to discuss expecting socialist policies (ie pay rises for all) from a capitalist government?

threads go where they go and politics is so interlinked that its just natural for tangents to happen "

Tbf I dudnt bring up the private health care issue

I was responding to a poster who did

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"Healthcare insurance is not expensive, especially when compared to other forms of insurance. You don’t have to pay for the treatments you receive

How much is it?

So if you need treatment,you dont pay a penny?

if i want to use it for anything i pay £100 excess per rolling year and if i have a stay in an nhs hospital they actually would pay me for not using the private policy

the experience i had was good but only because it was supplementary to the nhs and i would never advocate for going totally private

£50 still isnt cheap though if you are struggling?

And I'm guessing not every employer would offer it.

And off course the problem Is when more and more people decide to go private it could have a detrimental effect on the NHS.

Personal jibes again

Dear me.

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"i disagree with the slippery slope thing - its possible for both to work alongside each other in harmony , my employer paying a private policy doesn’t stop the nhs being looked after

private dental care has existed wince before i was born and yet nhs dental care hasn’t disappeared "

If the pay is better in the private care sector isnt there a chance they will suck up most of the 'talent'?

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