FabSwingers.com forum: Proof of vaccination

By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

So pre pandemic me and my partner used to go to over 35's club nights that were normally held in hotels or leisure clubs.

We have just had an email from them saying they are hoping to restart them at the end of June and it was saying about people getting 15 months free membership who were members before.

The email also said that you will only be accepted for membership or renewal of membership If you can prove you have had a vaccination by bringing your appointment card.

So its looking like Businesses are going to require vaccination proof before entry.

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By *rotic-TouchTV/TS
over a year ago

doncaster

And rightly so

Taking very responsible steps to protect Thier business and clients ,I hope many many venues take the same safeguarding measures

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"And rightly so

Taking very responsible steps to protect Thier business and clients ,I hope many many venues take the same safeguarding measures

I do agree however obviously by June the majority of their Clientele probably wouldn't have had both vaccines and also what proof do they want because you only get given an appointment card that hasn't even got my name on it. I don't have a problem with it but I was very surprised by it.

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

Interesting. I wonder if businesses have notice this is coming, or if they're planning in case it happens

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"And rightly so

Taking very responsible steps to protect Thier business and clients ,I hope many many venues take the same safeguarding measures

I didn’t get given anything, not even a card, as the GP is keeping the record.

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By *oncupiscence73Woman
over a year ago

South

"And rightly so

Taking very responsible steps to protect Thier business and clients ,I hope many many venues take the same safeguarding measures

I didn’t get given anything, not even a card, as the GP is keeping the record. "

You should have received a record with the batch number as well as advice on side effects ... if not your gp is a but crap

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By *allySlinkyWoman
over a year ago

Leeds

Will there be a market in people selling their vaccination cards to the unvaccinated ?

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"Will there be a market in people selling their vaccination cards to the unvaccinated ?"

Probably. I imagine the law has ways to deal with that sort of nonsense

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"And rightly so

Taking very responsible steps to protect Thier business and clients ,I hope many many venues take the same safeguarding measures

I didn’t get given anything, not even a card, as the GP is keeping the record.

You should have received a record with the batch number as well as advice on side effects ... if not your gp is a but crap "

We got a leaflet, not sure if it had the batch number on.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"And rightly so

Taking very responsible steps to protect Thier business and clients ,I hope many many venues take the same safeguarding measures

I didn’t get given anything, not even a card, as the GP is keeping the record. "

I know other people in the same situation so what's gonna happen?

It was Quite vague and just said you must show Vaccination card at reception.

Didn't say whether you needed to have had 2 doses, Or what happens if your medically exempt so I guess we will just have to wait and see.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Will there be a market in people selling their vaccination cards to the unvaccinated ?"

I just said the same thing to ash because we both have our vaccination appointment cards with our 1st vaccination on it but it doesn't actually say whether it's our 1st or 2nd.

I just said we could give those to anybody, Obviously we wouldn't.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"And rightly so

Taking very responsible steps to protect Thier business and clients ,I hope many many venues take the same safeguarding measures

I didn’t get given anything, not even a card, as the GP is keeping the record.

You should have received a record with the batch number as well as advice on side effects ... if not your gp is a but crap

We got a leaflet, not sure if it had the batch number on. "

But again that's the point it's not proof so I don't know like swing said whether they are doing it just to cover themselves or whether they think that it's gonna be mandatory by the government.

Who knows!

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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago

upton wirral

"So pre pandemic me and my partner used to go to over 35's club nights that were normally held in hotels or leisure clubs.

We have just had an email from them saying they are hoping to restart them at the end of June and it was saying about people getting 15 months free membership who were members before.

The email also said that you will only be accepted for membership or renewal of membership If you can prove you have had a vaccination by bringing your appointment card.

So its looking like Businesses are going to require vaccination proof before entry. "
Sounds good but do you get anything after second jab to proof you have had it?

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By *allySlinkyWoman
over a year ago

Leeds

"Sounds good but do you get anything after second jab to proof you have had it?"

Yes. Date and batch number on the card

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"So pre pandemic me and my partner used to go to over 35's club nights that were normally held in hotels or leisure clubs.

We have just had an email from them saying they are hoping to restart them at the end of June and it was saying about people getting 15 months free membership who were members before.

The email also said that you will only be accepted for membership or renewal of membership If you can prove you have had a vaccination by bringing your appointment card.

So its looking like Businesses are going to require vaccination proof before entry. Sounds good but do you get anything after second jab to proof you have had it?"

I'm not sure. I don't think you do, other than a handwritten card with the batch number and date of vaccination same as after the 1st but ours doesn't even have our names on it.

I think the government are going to have to rethink the vaccine passport as it does look like businesses are going to require this and after Cyprus announcement today I think it's inevitable.

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By *inky_couple2020Couple
over a year ago

North West

I got a blue vaccine card, it had the date of my first vaccine plus batch no etc. It also has the date for my second vaccine on it and space for the batch number of that. I was asked to bring it back. My Dad has the same blue card and he lives an hour away in a totally different area. Have others not got one of these? Yes, they can be fabricated probably but better than nothing?

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"I got a blue vaccine card, it had the date of my first vaccine plus batch no etc. It also has the date for my second vaccine on it and space for the batch number of that. I was asked to bring it back. My Dad has the same blue card and he lives an hour away in a totally different area. Have others not got one of these? Yes, they can be fabricated probably but better than nothing?"

I have NHS friends around the country with identical things. But I don't think that's going to be enough.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Yes but the point is it doesn't even have our names on it and there only hand written so I could pass mine to my friend and no one would know.

My point is if businesses are going to require this but government has to have a system in place for people to be able to provide legitimate proof.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

We both had our first jab this morning and same card..

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By *irtylittletramp100TV/TS
over a year ago

Notts

i want a full frisking as well! and then my card stamped FRISKED lol

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By *inky_couple2020Couple
over a year ago

North West

Yes but the point is it doesn't even have our names on it and there only hand written so I could pass mine to my friend and no one would know.

My point is if businesses are going to require this but government has to have a system in place for people to be able to provide legitimate proof. "

I think mine has a sticker on the front with my personal details and NHS number, BUT it's in my wheelchair pouch and my wheelchair is in the car. And it's 3°C so I'll look tomorrow

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Yes but the point is it doesn't even have our names on it and there only hand written so I could pass mine to my friend and no one would know.

My point is if businesses are going to require this but government has to have a system in place for people to be able to provide legitimate proof.

I think mine has a sticker on the front with my personal details and NHS number, BUT it's in my wheelchair pouch and my wheelchair is in the car. And it's 3°C so I'll look tomorrow

Ours doesn't.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

They specifically said we wouldn’t get anything when I went, that the Gp would keep a record?

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

"They specifically said we wouldn’t get anything when I went, that the Gp would keep a record?"

The batch number of the vaccine is recorded on the card plus name and date etc, the GP will be informed as the individuals NHS number is part of the process but you should have been given a card..

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By *inky_couple2020Couple
over a year ago

North West

"They specifically said we wouldn’t get anything when I went, that the Gp would keep a record?

The batch number of the vaccine is recorded on the card plus name and date etc, the GP will be informed as the individuals NHS number is part of the process but you should have been given a card.."

My vaccine was done by my GP so it was them who gave me the blue card. I'm starting in the mass vaccine clinics soon so I'll see what happens there....

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By *enithWoman
over a year ago

closer than you think

I have the same blue card but was a little shocked when a friend who lives about 20 miles away and goes to different GP had the same batch number?!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

hi got a call from doc telling me to go to vac centre no card just given a leaflet as i left with what side effects to look out for

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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago

upton wirral

"Sounds good but do you get anything after second jab to proof you have had it?

Yes. Date and batch number on the card"
Thanks

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By *istress-MazikeenWoman
over a year ago

bolton

"They specifically said we wouldn’t get anything when I went, that the Gp would keep a record?

The batch number of the vaccine is recorded on the card plus name and date etc, the GP will be informed as the individuals NHS number is part of the process but you should have been given a card.."

I have had mine through one council and my son through the one we live in.

Both cards are the same and state the Batch number, code and the type of vaccination, no name, no nhs number, so could give the card to anyone.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

This is exactly what I mean just from the few people have commented on the thread we have all had quite different experiences of getting a card and what's on it.

So if businesses are going to require this I think the government's hand is going to be forced in making sure people have proof when asked for it.

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By *inky_couple2020Couple
over a year ago

North West

I have the same blue card but was a little shocked when a friend who lives about 20 miles away and goes to different GP had the same batch number?!! "

The batches of Pfizer-BioNTech are 975 doses, I believe, so it's possible that from the cold store (usually one large hospital with the ability to freeze at minus 70°C), one batch was split and sent to surgeries.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"They specifically said we wouldn’t get anything when I went, that the Gp would keep a record?

The batch number of the vaccine is recorded on the card plus name and date etc, the GP will be informed as the individuals NHS number is part of the process but you should have been given a card..

My vaccine was done by my GP so it was them who gave me the blue card. I'm starting in the mass vaccine clinics soon so I'll see what happens there...."

Mine was done at a mass clinic.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

"They specifically said we wouldn’t get anything when I went, that the Gp would keep a record?

The batch number of the vaccine is recorded on the card plus name and date etc, the GP will be informed as the individuals NHS number is part of the process but you should have been given a card..

I have had mine through one council and my son through the one we live in.

Both cards are the same and state the Batch number, code and the type of vaccination, no name, no nhs number, so could give the card to anyone."

The NHS number isn't on our cards, when the HCP verified who I was etc my NHS number is like everyone who has one on the system..

Seems to be anomalies in different areas over whether the individuals name is added..

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By *essiCouple
over a year ago

suffolk

Got the card when I had my first jab..date etc and next jab date, when hubby got his first jab he got the card but no date for next jab..

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Got the card when I had my first jab..date etc and next jab date, when hubby got his first jab he got the card but no date for next jab..

We didn't either.

Most people don't get a second appointment date, just have to wait until called for the second.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

"This is exactly what I mean just from the few people have commented on the thread we have all had quite different experiences of getting a card and what's on it.

So if businesses are going to require this I think the government's hand is going to be forced in making sure people have proof when asked for it. "

Whatever format they use it won't be the cards given out, there will be a specific reference number for each person..

Similar to individual NI numbers perhaps..

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"This is exactly what I mean just from the few people have commented on the thread we have all had quite different experiences of getting a card and what's on it.

So if businesses are going to require this I think the government's hand is going to be forced in making sure people have proof when asked for it.

Whatever format they use it won't be the cards given out, there will be a specific reference number for each person..

Similar to individual NI numbers perhaps.."

Yes but the point is the government are still saying they probably won't have anything other than possibly the app.

Will that be ready in time for June?

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By *inky_couple2020Couple
over a year ago

North West

"This is exactly what I mean just from the few people have commented on the thread we have all had quite different experiences of getting a card and what's on it.

So if businesses are going to require this I think the government's hand is going to be forced in making sure people have proof when asked for it.

Whatever format they use it won't be the cards given out, there will be a specific reference number for each person..

Similar to individual NI numbers perhaps..

Yes but the point is the government are still saying they probably won't have anything other than possibly the app.

Will that be ready in time for June? "

Someone's mate will invent a world beating app overnight, don't worry. Matty H is on his WhatApps already, sorting it out

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

"This is exactly what I mean just from the few people have commented on the thread we have all had quite different experiences of getting a card and what's on it.

So if businesses are going to require this I think the government's hand is going to be forced in making sure people have proof when asked for it.

Whatever format they use it won't be the cards given out, there will be a specific reference number for each person..

Similar to individual NI numbers perhaps..

Yes but the point is the government are still saying they probably won't have anything other than possibly the app.

Will that be ready in time for June? "

Not if the leave it to Dido Harding and the world beating track and trace lot ..

It could well be outsourced given the size and complexity of what might be needed..

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"This is exactly what I mean just from the few people have commented on the thread we have all had quite different experiences of getting a card and what's on it.

So if businesses are going to require this I think the government's hand is going to be forced in making sure people have proof when asked for it.

Whatever format they use it won't be the cards given out, there will be a specific reference number for each person..

Similar to individual NI numbers perhaps..

Yes but the point is the government are still saying they probably won't have anything other than possibly the app.

Will that be ready in time for June?

Someone's mate will invent a world beating app overnight, don't worry. Matty H is on his WhatApps already, sorting it out

Cynicism I sense there mrs KC.

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By *istress-MazikeenWoman
over a year ago

bolton

"Got the card when I had my first jab..date etc and next jab date, when hubby got his first jab he got the card but no date for next jab..

We didn't either.

Most people don't get a second appointment date, just have to wait until called for the second. "

I was given a second date when booking in for my first vaccination

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By *ooljoeMan
over a year ago

Harrogate

The world is gone crazy! Soon we will be required by law to be microchipped and have collars round our neck.

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By *inky_couple2020Couple
over a year ago

North West

"This is exactly what I mean just from the few people have commented on the thread we have all had quite different experiences of getting a card and what's on it.

So if businesses are going to require this I think the government's hand is going to be forced in making sure people have proof when asked for it.

Whatever format they use it won't be the cards given out, there will be a specific reference number for each person..

Similar to individual NI numbers perhaps..

Yes but the point is the government are still saying they probably won't have anything other than possibly the app.

Will that be ready in time for June?

Someone's mate will invent a world beating app overnight, don't worry. Matty H is on his WhatApps already, sorting it out

Cynicism I sense there mrs KC.

Not just me, my local Lancashire based associates above had the same idea

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Will there be a market in people selling their vaccination cards to the unvaccinated ?

Probably. I imagine the law has ways to deal with that sort of nonsense"

Considering you can get fake drivers licenses, fake passports, fake mot certificates, I can't see a fake vaccination card is high on the list crime of the century

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

"The world is gone crazy! Soon we will be required by law to be microchipped and have collars round our neck.

Psst..

Your phone..

Bin it now..

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"The world is gone crazy! Soon we will be required by law to be microchipped and have collars round our neck.

Hardly the same as showing an appointment card!

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By *inky_couple2020Couple
over a year ago

North West

"The world is gone crazy! Soon we will be required by law to be microchipped and have collars round our neck.

Psst..

Your phone..

Bin it now..

I've already got a collar

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

"The world is gone crazy! Soon we will be required by law to be microchipped and have collars round our neck.

Psst..

Your phone..

Bin it now..

I've already got a collar

Nothing wrong with that..

Still unpacking random boxes and keep finding interesting things of a similar nature..

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"The world is gone crazy! Soon we will be required by law to be microchipped and have collars round our neck.

Psst..

Your phone..

Bin it now..

I've already got a collar

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By *pursChick aka ShortieWoman
over a year ago

On a mooch

If it links up to your nhs record could be as simple as showing them your nhs app data on your phone

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"If it links up to your nhs record could be as simple as showing them your nhs app data on your phone "

Yes but what happens to people that dont have a smart phone.

Ash's 90 year mother doesn't.

I'm not saying it's a bad are you doing I'm just saying something needs to be thought up quickly.

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By *heDesiCandiTV/TS
over a year ago

Leicester

Am I the inky one intrigued to know which hotel club meet this is?

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Am I the inky one intrigued to know which hotel club meet this is? "

It's not a hotel club meet it's a London based company that puts on dance parties for the over 35 and they are based at different locations all over London and Essex.

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By *pursChick aka ShortieWoman
over a year ago

On a mooch

"If it links up to your nhs record could be as simple as showing them your nhs app data on your phone

Yes but what happens to people that dont have a smart phone.

Ash's 90 year mother doesn't.

I'm not saying it's a bad are you doing I'm just saying something needs to be thought up quickly."

It’s something they are reviewing but what they come up with, if anything, for domestic use remains to be seen.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"If it links up to your nhs record could be as simple as showing them your nhs app data on your phone

Yes but what happens to people that dont have a smart phone.

Ash's 90 year mother doesn't.

I'm not saying it's a bad are you doing I'm just saying something needs to be thought up quickly.

It’s something they are reviewing but what they come up with, if anything, for domestic use remains to be seen. "

Yes but like I said if individual companies are going to start saying no vaccine no entry something's going to be needed I think.

Time will tell what happens because at the moment the email we received is so vague it just says you need to show your appointment card.

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By *heDesiCandiTV/TS
over a year ago

Leicester

"Am I the inky one intrigued to know which hotel club meet this is?

It's not a hotel club meet it's a London based company that puts on dance parties for the over 35 and they are based at different locations all over London and Essex."

Am ok, I am not old enough yet

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Am I the inky one intrigued to know which hotel club meet this is?

It's not a hotel club meet it's a London based company that puts on dance parties for the over 35 and they are based at different locations all over London and Essex.

Am ok, I am not old enough yet "

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By *inky_couple2020Couple
over a year ago

North West

Never mind where's the hotel, I want to know what club nights Ash's mum will need her vaccine app for?!

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By *pursChick aka ShortieWoman
over a year ago

On a mooch

"If it links up to your nhs record could be as simple as showing them your nhs app data on your phone

Yes but what happens to people that dont have a smart phone.

Ash's 90 year mother doesn't.

I'm not saying it's a bad are you doing I'm just saying something needs to be thought up quickly.

It’s something they are reviewing but what they come up with, if anything, for domestic use remains to be seen.

Yes but like I said if individual companies are going to start saying no vaccine no entry something's going to be needed I think.

Time will tell what happens because at the moment the email we received is so vague it just says you need to show your appointment card. "

It is all vague, along with how that works for those that can’t have the vaccine.

To many questions in mind still to be answered to worry about it.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"If it links up to your nhs record could be as simple as showing them your nhs app data on your phone

Yes but what happens to people that dont have a smart phone.

Ash's 90 year mother doesn't.

I'm not saying it's a bad are you doing I'm just saying something needs to be thought up quickly.

It’s something they are reviewing but what they come up with, if anything, for domestic use remains to be seen.

Yes but like I said if individual companies are going to start saying no vaccine no entry something's going to be needed I think.

Time will tell what happens because at the moment the email we received is so vague it just says you need to show your appointment card.

It is all vague, along with how that works for those that can’t have the vaccine.

To many questions in mind still to be answered to worry about it. "

Definitely as there was nothing about if you hadn't been called for your vaccine by that point or whether you needed to had both doses so like I said we will just have to wait and see.

It's just all getting a bit confusing I think.

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By *pursChick aka ShortieWoman
over a year ago

On a mooch

"If it links up to your nhs record could be as simple as showing them your nhs app data on your phone

Yes but what happens to people that dont have a smart phone.

Ash's 90 year mother doesn't.

I'm not saying it's a bad are you doing I'm just saying something needs to be thought up quickly.

It’s something they are reviewing but what they come up with, if anything, for domestic use remains to be seen.

Yes but like I said if individual companies are going to start saying no vaccine no entry something's going to be needed I think.

Time will tell what happens because at the moment the email we received is so vague it just says you need to show your appointment card.

It is all vague, along with how that works for those that can’t have the vaccine.

To many questions in mind still to be answered to worry about it.

Definitely as there was nothing about if you hadn't been called for your vaccine by that point or whether you needed to had both doses so like I said we will just have to wait and see.

It's just all getting a bit confusing I think. "

That’s why I’m not thinking about it until it’s all been decided.

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By *orty-coupleCouple
over a year ago

Leyland

Maybe a system is needed to easily identify the none vaccinated. So they can be segregated by society.

How about a tattood number and a

yellow star sewn to outer clothing. That would be a fabulous idea?

Ohh hang on a minute.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Maybe a system is needed to easily identify the none vaccinated. So they can be segregated by society.

How about a tattood number and a

yellow star sewn to outer clothing. That would be a fabulous idea?

Ohh hang on a minute. "

Showing an appointment card to get into a private venue organised by a private company is hardly what you are suggesting.

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By *inky_couple2020Couple
over a year ago

North West

"Maybe a system is needed to easily identify the none vaccinated. So they can be segregated by society.

How about a tattood number and a

yellow star sewn to outer clothing. That would be a fabulous idea?

Ohh hang on a minute. "

And today's prize for "the utterly unnecessary demeaning of the Holocaust and resultant insult to families with direct experience" goes to......

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"Maybe a system is needed to easily identify the none vaccinated. So they can be segregated by society.

How about a tattood number and a

yellow star sewn to outer clothing. That would be a fabulous idea?

Ohh hang on a minute. "

Yes, a private establishment having requirements for entry is exactly like industrialised genocide

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

I find it interesting that an establishment has said that this is their expectation before any review. Really interesting

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

It's a good idea and may have been relying on there being a recognised app or proof, to be in existence by then.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The thing having your vaccine won't actually stop you getting or passing on covid. The only benefit of the jab is less severe symptoms if you do get it.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"The thing having your vaccine won't actually stop you getting or passing on covid. The only benefit of the jab is less severe symptoms if you do get it.

Well we are not totally sure because the evidence is suggesting it does have an effect on limiting spread but I totally understand what your saying.

It's kind of beside the point on what government policy is or individual's point of view if some businesses are going to make it a requirement of entry to their venue or event then I guess it is something we gonna have to live with.

I'm sure I saw a post a few weeks ago of someone saying they had tried to book a concert for the end of the year and it said something similar on the email they received.

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By *ringles0510Woman
over a year ago

Central Borders

Would they want 1 or both jabs? (Not sure if this was already asked, but didn't read through the entire post). Pretty sure I saw somewhere Cyprus wants people to have 2 before being allowed in. But if everyone expects 2, a lot of us will still be grounded for most of the year

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By *orthern StarsCouple
over a year ago

Durham

Surely the government will have to provide some sort of official vaccination proof if that is what is going be required, especially for travelling abroad. A card given to you at time of vaccination is no proof as it doesn't have your name on. Many people will of lost their card too.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Would they want 1 or both jabs? (Not sure if this was already asked, but didn't read through the entire post). Pretty sure I saw somewhere Cyprus wants people to have 2 before being allowed in. But if everyone expects 2, a lot of us will still be grounded for most of the year

Regarding the email I received the answer is i don't know.

Its was very vague and just said "membership or renewal of membership is dependent on you showing your vaccination card the reception staff".

Seeing as no such card exists other then the appointment card with batch number and date on, I'm not sure of any other details.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"And rightly so

Taking very responsible steps to protect Thier business and clients ,I hope many many venues take the same safeguarding measures

I didn’t get given anything, not even a card, as the GP is keeping the record. "

. Sounds as if your GP is not following the proper procedure which is to give you a small appointment card that tells you which vaccine you have had and the date on it with a space for the second date to be added. You should also have been given a leaflet about it.

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By *9alMan
over a year ago

Bridgend

I had the first jab yesterday & was given a card

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"And rightly so

Taking very responsible steps to protect Thier business and clients ,I hope many many venues take the same safeguarding measures

I didn’t get given anything, not even a card, as the GP is keeping the record.

I went to one of the mass vaccination clinics, we were in a sports hall and there must have been close to 100 hundred people in there. They specifically said they wouldn’t be issuing cards?

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"Surely the government will have to provide some sort of official vaccination proof if that is what is going be required, especially for travelling abroad. A card given to you at time of vaccination is no proof as it doesn't have your name on. Many people will of lost their card too."

I imagine so

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"So pre pandemic me and my partner used to go to over 35's club nights that were normally held in hotels or leisure clubs.

We have just had an email from them saying they are hoping to restart them at the end of June and it was saying about people getting 15 months free membership who were members before.

The email also said that you will only be accepted for membership or renewal of membership If you can prove you have had a vaccination by bringing your appointment card.

So its looking like Businesses are going to require vaccination proof before entry. "

I would not have a problem with this

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By *0shadesOfFilthMan
over a year ago

nearby

Only fair for others protection and no different to condoms

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By *olly_chromaticTV/TS
over a year ago

Stockport

I imagine so"

Obviously they will just scan your microchip. Same as when you take your dog to the vet...

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"Only fair for others protection and no different to condoms

It will protect those who can't be vaccinated (who I imagine will be exempted, in line with disability provisions and international vaccine mandates)

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By *olly_chromaticTV/TS
over a year ago

Stockport

I imagine so

Obviously they will just scan your microchip. Same as when you take your dog to the vet..."

Note: Chip app requires use of 5G phone...

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

I imagine so

Obviously they will just scan your microchip. Same as when you take your dog to the vet...

Note: Chip app requires use of 5G phone..."

5G now mandatory. We are phasing out tolerance for those who do not consent to surveillance by the Deep State.

Baa.

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By *allySlinkyWoman
over a year ago

Leeds

Obviously they will just scan your microchip. Same as when you take your dog to the vet..."

My cat's chip moved from the back of her neck to under her chin. It wouldn't operate the catflap anymore so she had to have a new chip fitted. That is obviously the reason we will need annual booster shots.

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By *andare63Man
over a year ago

oldham

I've said all along. Why can this not be as simple as a stamp to your passport once you've had the second test. Failing that we all have a NHS number. Why can that page on the dot gov website not have some sort of seal added when vaccinated?

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"I've said all along. Why can this not be as simple as a stamp to your passport once you've had the second test. Failing that we all have a NHS number. Why can that page on the dot gov website not have some sort of seal added when vaccinated? "

Not everyone has a passport.

It could work with something like a national NHS card with your number on it, perhaps...

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

... although I imagine that there's a special kind of legal hurt if you forge stuff in your passport.

"Vaccine mandates will just lead to forgery!"

... Put that in your passport and I bet that'll really fuck you up under criminal and possibly even immigration law. Lol

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By *allySlinkyWoman
over a year ago

Leeds

I can access my NHS records online. It clearly shows the date and time I was given the vaccination. I can show this to anyone on my phone.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm very pro vax and would love to be able to do things when I've been vaccinated. But some people can't have vaccinations for various reasons and they shouldn't have to be hidden away or banned from places because of that.

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"I'm very pro vax and would love to be able to do things when I've been vaccinated. But some people can't have vaccinations for various reasons and they shouldn't have to be hidden away or banned from places because of that. "

I'm not sure any system would or could be established which excluded those who can't be vaccinated.

As noted, I grew up with a vaccine mandate, and there was always an exception if you genuinely could not be vaccinated for medical reasons. I imagine that any system in any first world country would operate similarly. (And I would be against any system that did not provide a medical exemption)

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By *andare63Man
over a year ago

oldham

Not everyone has a passport.

It could work with something like a national NHS card with your number on it, perhaps..."

True in that case any form of ID. I'm sure something will come into play

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm not sure any system would or could be established which excluded those who can't be vaccinated.

I suppose there could be a system of fast tests for people who haven't been vaccinated, so those people could still be allowed to participate/ enter the premises etc.

With an official vaccine status document it could also show medical exemption.

If no medical exemption though the person may be discriminated against.

I think people have the right to choose. Much like religion.

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

I'm not sure any system would or could be established which excluded those who can't be vaccinated.

I suppose there could be a system of fast tests for people who haven't been vaccinated, so those people could still be allowed to participate/ enter the premises etc.

With an official vaccine status document it could also show medical exemption.

If no medical exemption though the person may be discriminated against.

I think people have the right to choose. Much like religion. "

People have the right to choose, but that doesn't mean that nothing happens as a result of that choice. I chose not to study medicine - now people won't hire me as a doctor. ... Like, no shit

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm not sure any system would or could be established which excluded those who can't be vaccinated.

I suppose there could be a system of fast tests for people who haven't been vaccinated, so those people could still be allowed to participate/ enter the premises etc.

With an official vaccine status document it could also show medical exemption.

If no medical exemption though the person may be discriminated against.

I think people have the right to choose. Much like religion.

People have the right to choose, but that doesn't mean that nothing happens as a result of that choice. I chose not to study medicine - now people won't hire me as a doctor. ... Like, no shit

How dare they!

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

I'm not sure any system would or could be established which excluded those who can't be vaccinated.

I suppose there could be a system of fast tests for people who haven't been vaccinated, so those people could still be allowed to participate/ enter the premises etc.

With an official vaccine status document it could also show medical exemption.

If no medical exemption though the person may be discriminated against.

I think people have the right to choose. Much like religion.

People have the right to choose, but that doesn't mean that nothing happens as a result of that choice. I chose not to study medicine - now people won't hire me as a doctor. ... Like, no shit

How dare they!

They're discriminating against me!

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By *pursChick aka ShortieWoman
over a year ago

On a mooch

Therein lies the problem at the moment, as none of those stating must be vaccinated allow for exemptions in their published wording.

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By *inky_couple2020Couple
over a year ago

North West

A small part of me thinks "now they'll know what it feel like to be discriminated against" when people who genuinely have not yet been able to get the vaccine (e.g. younger age groups) aren't able to go on holiday or into places of leisure this spring/summer.

It's what it feels like to be unable to use the train or to arrive at a restaurant for a family meal to find there's no wheelchair access or a million other ways in which disabled people are routinely excluded from normal society.

And yes, Mr KC is in the "too young and healthy" to be vaccinated until July ish.

I don't actually want people to feel bad, but it's a very good learning point for those who have been able to blindly go about their lives, doing whatever they want, how and when they want, without a second thought for the people who are systematically excluded all the time. It's not a nice feeling, is it?

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"A small part of me thinks "now they'll know what it feel like to be discriminated against" when people who genuinely have not yet been able to get the vaccine (e.g. younger age groups) aren't able to go on holiday or into places of leisure this spring/summer.

And yes, Mr KC is in the "too young and healthy" to be vaccinated until July ish.

I'm sure it's different because reasons, though

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"And rightly so

Taking very responsible steps to protect Thier business and clients ,I hope many many venues take the same safeguarding measures

this would be my take on it too - no objection to it being done properly but jumping the gun and asking for proof that wont be standard across all or reliable or even available for most as early as they are asking just seems the wrong way to go about it

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"If it links up to your nhs record could be as simple as showing them your nhs app data on your phone

Yes but what happens to people that dont have a smart phone.

Ash's 90 year mother doesn't.

I'm not saying it's a bad are you doing I'm just saying something needs to be thought up quickly.

It’s something they are reviewing but what they come up with, if anything, for domestic use remains to be seen.

Yes but like I said if individual companies are going to start saying no vaccine no entry something's going to be needed I think.

Time will tell what happens because at the moment the email we received is so vague it just says you need to show your appointment card.

It is all vague, along with how that works for those that can’t have the vaccine.

To many questions in mind still to be answered to worry about it.

Definitely as there was nothing about if you hadn't been called for your vaccine by that point or whether you needed to had both doses so like I said we will just have to wait and see.

It's just all getting a bit confusing I think.

That’s why I’m not thinking about it until it’s all been decided. "

i guess the worry will be what if neither are the government thinking about it , til other countries and private businesses have all decided and then we are at the cow’s tail

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Maybe a system is needed to easily identify the none vaccinated. So they can be segregated by society.

How about a tattood number and a

yellow star sewn to outer clothing. That would be a fabulous idea?

Ohh hang on a minute.

And today's prize for "the utterly unnecessary demeaning of the Holocaust and resultant insult to families with direct experience" goes to......"

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By *ichaelangelaCouple
over a year ago

notts

"Will there be a market in people selling their vaccination cards to the unvaccinated ?"

You can buy mask exemption lanyards now on fleabay for £3.50. guess proof of vaccine will cost about 50p

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By *irtylittletramp100TV/TS
over a year ago

Notts

tattoo the fuckers with a bar code, inner thigh has to be shown in all pubs bars etc, i want mine to have dirty slut top and bottom of code lol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Don't understand why anyone needs to prove they have protected themselves, because having the vaccine doesn't stop you spreading it. The vaccine is for your protection not to protect other's?

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By *elshsunsWoman
over a year ago

Flintshire

Easy to copy

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"Easy to copy

Forgery is a crime

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By *elshsunsWoman
over a year ago

Flintshire

"Easy to copy

Forgery is a crime

Nooooooooo is it ?????

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By *ittleMissCaliWoman
over a year ago

all loved up

"And rightly so

Taking very responsible steps to protect Thier business and clients ,I hope many many venues take the same safeguarding measures

Surprised it doesn't have your name on it. We have been told to make sure we have written names and date of birth on the cards xx

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By *ranfondoMan
over a year ago

Cambridgeshire

The EU are working on a digital vaccine passport and have included the UK in the scheme and lets face it...most people who holiday will be travelling to an EU country... as for other business requiring proof, this could be used but it will exclude those who cannot take the vaccine due to health issues...

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"The EU are working on a digital vaccine passport and have included the UK in the scheme and lets face it...most people who holiday will be travelling to an EU country... as for other business requiring proof, this could be used but it will exclude those who cannot take the vaccine due to health issues... "

Unless there's a medical exemption, as is the case in most places with vaccine mandates.

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By *osweet69Couple
over a year ago

portsmouth

How do you know whether the person that went for the vaccine was the person who's name was on the appointment card. Photo ID is not required to receive said vaccine.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

"Easy to copy

Forgery is a crime

The irony of those opposed to being vaccinated getting caught with a forged card..

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

"How do you know whether the person that went for the vaccine was the person who's name was on the appointment card. Photo ID is not required to receive said vaccine. "

They cross checked us both yesterday, address and booking reference numbers..

So whilst it's not foolproof it's thorough..

Why would someone want to impersonate another person?

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"Easy to copy

Forgery is a crime

The irony of those opposed to being vaccinated getting caught with a forged card..

I was more thinking, if Boris was Hitler for closing the pubs at ten, people who do this will adore prison and losing the right to vote.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Not everyone has a passport and not everyone has a smartphone. It has to be easily accessible to all.

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By *osweet69Couple
over a year ago

portsmouth

"How do you know whether the person that went for the vaccine was the person who's name was on the appointment card. Photo ID is not required to receive said vaccine.

They cross checked us both yesterday, address and booking reference numbers..

So whilst it's not foolproof it's thorough..

Why would someone want to impersonate another person?"
Because the person does not want to have the jab so send their mate.

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

Not everyone has a passport and not everyone has a smartphone. It has to be easily accessible to all. "

An NHS card would do it, I imagine. Attach your name and NHS number to it.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

I'm not sure any system would or could be established which excluded those who can't be vaccinated.

I hope this is the case, however some businesses will have blanket no jab no entry. Same as some had no mask no entry regardless if you are exempt.

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

I'm not sure any system would or could be established which excluded those who can't be vaccinated.

I hope this is the case, however some businesses will have blanket no jab no entry. Same as some had no mask no entry regardless if you are exempt. "

Then - regardless of my agreement with vaccine mandates - I hope they get sued into bankruptcy.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"And rightly so

Taking very responsible steps to protect Thier business and clients ,I hope many many venues take the same safeguarding measures

Surprised it doesn't have your name on it. We have been told to make sure we have written names and date of birth on the cards xx"

But thats not proof anyway, its hand Written on a bit of card the anybody with a decent scanner or photocopier could replicate.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

"How do you know whether the person that went for the vaccine was the person who's name was on the appointment card. Photo ID is not required to receive said vaccine.

They cross checked us both yesterday, address and booking reference numbers..

So whilst it's not foolproof it's thorough..

Why would someone want to impersonate another person? Because the person does not want to have the jab so send their mate. "

Then goes on holiday where the country has a requirement for vaccination proof, all good till said person actually falls over breaks leg and the fraud is discovered..

Cue insurance nil and void and one large bill for treatment..

Tell this person to have the vaccine, unless it's a medical issue and not some can't be arsed to/look how clever I am nonsense..

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"And rightly so

Taking very responsible steps to protect Thier business and clients ,I hope many many venues take the same safeguarding measures

Surprised it doesn't have your name on it. We have been told to make sure we have written names and date of birth on the cards xx

But thats not proof anyway, its hand Written on a bit of card the anybody with a decent scanner or photocopier could replicate. "

Have a government issued card with the types of forgery proofing that you see on other government documents.

Full name, NHS number. No other information.

NHS number can be entered, and it can show jab/no jab/ exempt.

Very doable.

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"How do you know whether the person that went for the vaccine was the person who's name was on the appointment card. Photo ID is not required to receive said vaccine.

They cross checked us both yesterday, address and booking reference numbers..

So whilst it's not foolproof it's thorough..

Why would someone want to impersonate another person? Because the person does not want to have the jab so send their mate.

Then goes on holiday where the country has a requirement for vaccination proof, all good till said person actually falls over breaks leg and the fraud is discovered..

Cue insurance nil and void and one large bill for treatment..

Tell this person to have the vaccine, unless it's a medical issue and not some can't be arsed to/look how clever I am nonsense.."

I think 95% of the people cracking on like this are all talk and no trousers.

Criminal justice systems will deal with the rest - and, if overseas, immigration. (Ask an immigrant - me - do not mess with immigration law)

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

"How do you know whether the person that went for the vaccine was the person who's name was on the appointment card. Photo ID is not required to receive said vaccine.

They cross checked us both yesterday, address and booking reference numbers..

So whilst it's not foolproof it's thorough..

Why would someone want to impersonate another person? Because the person does not want to have the jab so send their mate.

Then goes on holiday where the country has a requirement for vaccination proof, all good till said person actually falls over breaks leg and the fraud is discovered..

Cue insurance nil and void and one large bill for treatment..

Tell this person to have the vaccine, unless it's a medical issue and not some can't be arsed to/look how clever I am nonsense..

I think 95% of the people cracking on like this are all talk and no trousers.

Criminal justice systems will deal with the rest - and, if overseas, immigration. (Ask an immigrant - me - do not mess with immigration law)"

Post brexit travel insurance will hike, add in covid etc and it's likely to be higher with vaccination and following up the protocols of the country visited..

And insurers seem to be proficient at finding a loophole to pay..

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By *osweet69Couple
over a year ago

portsmouth

"How do you know whether the person that went for the vaccine was the person who's name was on the appointment card. Photo ID is not required to receive said vaccine.

They cross checked us both yesterday, address and booking reference numbers..

So whilst it's not foolproof it's thorough..

Why would someone want to impersonate another person? Because the person does not want to have the jab so send their mate.

Then goes on holiday where the country has a requirement for vaccination proof, all good till said person actually falls over breaks leg and the fraud is discovered..

Cue insurance nil and void and one large bill for treatment..

Tell this person to have the vaccine, unless it's a medical issue and not some can't be arsed to/look how clever I am nonsense..

I think 95% of the people cracking on like this are all talk and no trousers.

Criminal justice systems will deal with the rest - and, if overseas, immigration. (Ask an immigrant - me - do not mess with immigration law)"
How do you prove that person has not been vaccinated? He has card saying he has been vaccinated?

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Ultimately anything that can be monetized will be.

Of course you will get people that will try and make money from Making fraudulent cards.

This is more about I think for me a company who hasn't really thought this through has just put this on email that has been sent to their members asking for something that at the moment doesn't exist.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

"How do you know whether the person that went for the vaccine was the person who's name was on the appointment card. Photo ID is not required to receive said vaccine.

They cross checked us both yesterday, address and booking reference numbers..

So whilst it's not foolproof it's thorough..

Why would someone want to impersonate another person? Because the person does not want to have the jab so send their mate.

Then goes on holiday where the country has a requirement for vaccination proof, all good till said person actually falls over breaks leg and the fraud is discovered..

Cue insurance nil and void and one large bill for treatment..

Tell this person to have the vaccine, unless it's a medical issue and not some can't be arsed to/look how clever I am nonsense..

I think 95% of the people cracking on like this are all talk and no trousers.

Criminal justice systems will deal with the rest - and, if overseas, immigration. (Ask an immigrant - me - do not mess with immigration law) How do you prove that person has not been vaccinated? He has card saying he has been vaccinated? "

I doubt the card will be the final means of verification,the system will be linked to NHS/NI numbers possibly..

Reciprocal arrangements where countries will cross check visitors etc..

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"How do you know whether the person that went for the vaccine was the person who's name was on the appointment card. Photo ID is not required to receive said vaccine.

They cross checked us both yesterday, address and booking reference numbers..

So whilst it's not foolproof it's thorough..

Why would someone want to impersonate another person? Because the person does not want to have the jab so send their mate.

Then goes on holiday where the country has a requirement for vaccination proof, all good till said person actually falls over breaks leg and the fraud is discovered..

Cue insurance nil and void and one large bill for treatment..

Tell this person to have the vaccine, unless it's a medical issue and not some can't be arsed to/look how clever I am nonsense..

I think 95% of the people cracking on like this are all talk and no trousers.

I doubt the card will be the final means of verification,the system will be linked to NHS/NI numbers possibly..

Reciprocal arrangements where countries will cross check visitors etc.."

I get it but it will be linked to Your NHS number but how will that help and show proof because I certainly don't want the receptionist at a club night having access to my medical records.

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"How do you know whether the person that went for the vaccine was the person who's name was on the appointment card. Photo ID is not required to receive said vaccine.

They cross checked us both yesterday, address and booking reference numbers..

So whilst it's not foolproof it's thorough..

Why would someone want to impersonate another person? Because the person does not want to have the jab so send their mate.

Then goes on holiday where the country has a requirement for vaccination proof, all good till said person actually falls over breaks leg and the fraud is discovered..

Cue insurance nil and void and one large bill for treatment..

Tell this person to have the vaccine, unless it's a medical issue and not some can't be arsed to/look how clever I am nonsense..

I think 95% of the people cracking on like this are all talk and no trousers.

At the moment you can't, most likely.

If vaccine passports are issued, then it will be proof of vaccination (or exemption) or you're presumed not to be vaccinated.

I suppose if it came to it and people decided they had to be difficult, it could be possible to test for immunity given by the vaccine rather than infection (for example, test for both S protein and N protein immune response. Just S protein would show that the Pfizer vaccine had been administered, possibly others).

I hope we never have to get to court ordered blood tests, which is what that would entail... but it's probably possible.

In a situation where these passports exist, you have the card or you might as well not be vaccinated.

If people want to be arses or criminals about it - fuck with the law and find out why you don't wanna do that. *Shrug*

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"How do you know whether the person that went for the vaccine was the person who's name was on the appointment card. Photo ID is not required to receive said vaccine.

They cross checked us both yesterday, address and booking reference numbers..

So whilst it's not foolproof it's thorough..

Why would someone want to impersonate another person? Because the person does not want to have the jab so send their mate.

Then goes on holiday where the country has a requirement for vaccination proof, all good till said person actually falls over breaks leg and the fraud is discovered..

Cue insurance nil and void and one large bill for treatment..

Tell this person to have the vaccine, unless it's a medical issue and not some can't be arsed to/look how clever I am nonsense..

I think 95% of the people cracking on like this are all talk and no trousers.

I doubt the card will be the final means of verification,the system will be linked to NHS/NI numbers possibly..

Reciprocal arrangements where countries will cross check visitors etc..

I get it but it will be linked to Your NHS number but how will that help and show proof because I certainly don't want the receptionist at a club night having access to my medical records."

Make it a system where the NHS tells Company A that you have or haven't been jabbed, this is your NHS number and name.

The club enters your number - or a different number on the card - into a website and gets yes, no, or exempt.