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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

Continuing this thread because its simply an interesting discussion.

If you want an exact figure of Covid-19 stats.

Go check out UK gov. Notifiable diseases for 2020.

The numbers are there for you to see. If anyone's bored an NOT horny lol.

Maybe they can go through each week and tot up the covid numbers for the year.

Might just twist ypur melon though. Or not lol.

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By *r_FaustusMan
over a year ago

Northampton

Except that SARS-CoV-2 infection isn’t a notifiable disease: odd that any cases are included in the NOIDS report.

The Govt’s reported figures are a good enough approximation (includes all deaths within 28 days; excludes deaths *from COVID* who survive a few weeks on ICU and then die.)

Recommendation:

Wear a mask

Wash your hands

Keep your distance

Make sure you have both vaccinations

....and then we can get back to meeting, clubs etc all the sooner

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)


"Except that SARS-CoV-2 infection isn’t a notifiable disease: odd that any cases are included in the NOIDS report.

The Govt’s reported figures are a good enough approximation (includes all deaths within 28 days; excludes deaths *from COVID* who survive a few weeks on ICU and then die.)

Recommendation:

Wear a mask

Wash your hands

Keep your distance

Make sure you have both vaccinations

....and then we can get back to meeting, clubs etc all the sooner "

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

SarsCov2 isn't a notifiable disease because its a virus. Not a disease. Covid-19 is the disease as a result of SarsCov2 infection.

Gi check it out on uk gov website

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)


"SarsCov2 isn't a notifiable disease because its a virus. Not a disease. Covid-19 is the disease as a result of SarsCov2 infection.

Gi check it out on uk gov website "

So the previous poster made the common mistake. I'm not sure what your point is here. It's a notifiable disease, it's being notified. As seen in the reports.

Given it's a government site, you're allowed to link to support your point.

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By *inky_couple2020Couple
over a year ago

North West


"Continuing this thread because its simply an interesting discussion.

If you want an exact figure of Covid-19 stats.

Go check out UK gov. Notifiable diseases for 2020.

The numbers are there for you to see. If anyone's bored an NOT horny lol.

Maybe they can go through each week and tot up the covid numbers for the year.

Might just twist ypur melon though. Or not lol. "

Response to a freedom of information request around this question:

"PHE can confirm it does hold the information you have requested.

Figures published in NOIDS reports represent the number of notifications of

notifiable diseases PHE has received from clinicians in that week. The cases may or

may not be subsequently confirmed by PHE and may not represent the total number

of cases of notifiable diseases in the UK that week.

The Statutory Notification of Infectious Diseases (NOIDS) is a process allowing

registered medical practitioners to notify PHE of a suspected case of a notifiable

disease. These are based on clinical suspicion alone and as such a proportion of

these are likely not to be the suspected infection. Laboratory confirmed cases of

notifiable diseases are collected by a separate national laboratory reporting system.

These two methods of reporting operate independently.

NOIDS reports do not represent the total number of confirmed COVID-19 cases. The

daily number of laboratory confirmed COVID-19 cases, as declared by PHE and by

the Government, can be found at: [URL removed to be Fab-proof]

Please note, cases are the number of people with at least one positive COVID-19

virus test result. If a person has had more than one positive test they are only

counted as one case."

That clears that up then

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)


"Continuing this thread because its simply an interesting discussion.

If you want an exact figure of Covid-19 stats.

Go check out UK gov. Notifiable diseases for 2020.

The numbers are there for you to see. If anyone's bored an NOT horny lol.

Maybe they can go through each week and tot up the covid numbers for the year.

Might just twist ypur melon though. Or not lol.

Response to a freedom of information request around this question:

"PHE can confirm it does hold the information you have requested.

Figures published in NOIDS reports represent the number of notifications of

notifiable diseases PHE has received from clinicians in that week. The cases may or

may not be subsequently confirmed by PHE and may not represent the total number

of cases of notifiable diseases in the UK that week.

The Statutory Notification of Infectious Diseases (NOIDS) is a process allowing

registered medical practitioners to notify PHE of a suspected case of a notifiable

disease. These are based on clinical suspicion alone and as such a proportion of

these are likely not to be the suspected infection. Laboratory confirmed cases of

notifiable diseases are collected by a separate national laboratory reporting system.

These two methods of reporting operate independently.

NOIDS reports do not represent the total number of confirmed COVID-19 cases. The

daily number of laboratory confirmed COVID-19 cases, as declared by PHE and by

the Government, can be found at: [URL removed to be Fab-proof]

Please note, cases are the number of people with at least one positive COVID-19

virus test result. If a person has had more than one positive test they are only

counted as one case."

That clears that up then "

Wait. You're telling me it's not a conspiracy and the government aren't telling massive lies (about this)?

I'm shocked. So shocked.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"SarsCov2 isn't a notifiable disease because its a virus. Not a disease. Covid-19 is the disease as a result of SarsCov2 infection.

Gi check it out on uk gov website

So the previous poster made the common mistake. I'm not sure what your point is here. It's a notifiable disease, it's being notified. As seen in the reports.

Given it's a government site, you're allowed to link to support your point."

Oh I didn't know that. Here's a link then

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/notifiable-diseases-weekly-reports-for-2020

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By *inky_couple2020Couple
over a year ago

North West


"SarsCov2 isn't a notifiable disease because its a virus. Not a disease. Covid-19 is the disease as a result of SarsCov2 infection.

Gi check it out on uk gov website

So the previous poster made the common mistake. I'm not sure what your point is here. It's a notifiable disease, it's being notified. As seen in the reports.

Given it's a government site, you're allowed to link to support your point.

Oh I didn't know that. Here's a link then

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/notifiable-diseases-weekly-reports-for-2020"

See above from a response to a freedom of information request about this topic. There's no discrepancy. No conspiracy.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"SarsCov2 isn't a notifiable disease because its a virus. Not a disease. Covid-19 is the disease as a result of SarsCov2 infection.

Gi check it out on uk gov website

So the previous poster made the common mistake. I'm not sure what your point is here. It's a notifiable disease, it's being notified. As seen in the reports.

Given it's a government site, you're allowed to link to support your point.

Oh I didn't know that. Here's a link then

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/notifiable-diseases-weekly-reports-for-2020

See above from a response to a freedom of information request about this topic. There's no discrepancy. No conspiracy. "

Genuine question as you seem very aware. From what I gather. The adding of covid as a cause of death, only began when covid was added to the notifiable diseases database. Is that correct?

Also. Has anybody looked at the numbers for each month yet? Does that tell a story or not?

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By *r_FaustusMan
over a year ago

Northampton

Ok, to be clear:

SARS-CoV-2 (aka COVID-19), a virus, has many nasty effects, including COVID pneumonitis, from which many of my patients have died, both within and outside the current UK Govt definition of within 28 days of a positive test.

This is akin to HIV (aka HTLV-3) being the retrovirus that causes AIDS.

However, neither SARS-CoV-2 infection nor HIV infection is a notifiable disease. This is a specific list of infectious diseases (including TB, leprosy, food poisoning and malaria) that *must* be reported to the Consultant for Communicable Disease Control (CCDC) by a medical practitioner, on pain of a fine, imprisonment or both.

Hope that’s clearer

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Ok, to be clear:

SARS-CoV-2 (aka COVID-19), a virus, has many nasty effects, including COVID pneumonitis, from which many of my patients have died, both within and outside the current UK Govt definition of within 28 days of a positive test.

This is akin to HIV (aka HTLV-3) being the retrovirus that causes AIDS.

However, neither SARS-CoV-2 infection nor HIV infection is a notifiable disease. This is a specific list of infectious diseases (including TB, leprosy, food poisoning and malaria) that *must* be reported to the Consultant for Communicable Disease Control (CCDC) by a medical practitioner, on pain of a fine, imprisonment or both.

Hope that’s clearer "

Not really tbh (sorry last I saw was SARS-CoV-2 is the virus. Covid-19 is the condition as a result of the virus. In the gov notifiable diseases, covid is listed

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By *inky_couple2020Couple
over a year ago

North West

It's explained on Full Facts website (which I cannot link to).

Title: Millions—not thousands—caught Covid last year

Date: 5 JANUARY 2021

Covid-19 was added to the notifiable diseases list at the very start of March 2020. The first recorded UK death from Covid-19 was on 2nd March 2020, so there's no lag/delay in it becoming notifiable.

Do you understand the purpose of the notifiable diseases list? It's to help PHE track disease outbreaks and try to reduce or mitigate public health concerns. It's not there to record deaths etc. there's a different system for that. Only medical professionals can report directly to PHE but the majority of people testing positive for the virus that causes Covid-19 have been self-reports by people presenting at a testing centre or doing home screening.

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By *r_FaustusMan
over a year ago

Northampton


"

Not really tbh (sorry last I saw was SARS-CoV-2 is the virus. Covid-19 is the condition as a result of the virus. In the gov notifiable diseases, covid is listed "

Apologies: you’re quite right:

COVID-19 is the abbreviation of COronaVIrus-19-Disease

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