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"With some luck, they may pass it to just 1 or 2 others. Ideally a small cluster that will be spotted when others test " Yes. I hope they do the right thing, inform those they may have exposed, and lock themselves up while they might be contagious. | |||
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"must start hotel quarantine for all passengers entering the country & stop as many flights as possible otherwise new strain will spread as fast as the first one " They might think about it a few weeks before we hit full vaccine coverage. Hotel quarantine? Who knew that might work? They'll cry in October 2021, after it was introduced in Australia and New Zealand in March 2020  | |||
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"Nationwide search for a person with Brazilian COVID-19 variant . If this person spreads out Brazilian Covid-19 quickly , do you think can go for another locked down???" Think the press is just trying to cause a panic and feeding on the negative fears of people | |||
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"The real question is are we just prolonging the inevitable?" Sure. As we do with any medical intervention. Let's get rid of them all and just let people die in ways we can prevent. Awesome  | |||
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"The real question is are we just prolonging the inevitable?" And what would that be? | |||
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"Apparently the Sun is asking everyone to own up if they have a hidden Brazilian." Who's able to get a wax at the moment?  | |||
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"Not quite the same. The Brazilian variant and the South African variant will spread across the uk. We will not close our borders forever." No, but until we can contain it with widespread vaccination and better treatment, "not delaying the inevitable" means deliberately setting up thousands more for death and disability. We live in a more civilised society than that. | |||
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"The real question is are we just prolonging the inevitable? And what would that be?" Let it rip, let people die. | |||
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"Surely they can just check the flight manifest? " You'd think so wouldn't you? Welcome to the UK. How long will you be staying? Where will you be staying on your visit? | |||
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"Surely they can just check the flight manifest? You'd think so wouldn't you? Welcome to the UK. How long will you be staying? Where will you be staying on your visit? " Unsure if it is the passenger locator form that has been completed incorrectly - from what I have read it looks more like they did not complete the details for the test they submitted. Why wouldn't you complete your details correctly? | |||
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"Surely they can just check the flight manifest? You'd think so wouldn't you? Welcome to the UK. How long will you be staying? Where will you be staying on your visit? Unsure if it is the passenger locator form that has been completed incorrectly - from what I have read it looks more like they did not complete the details for the test they submitted. Why wouldn't you complete your details correctly?" I just can't understand how someone got a test and their details weren't linked to it anyway. We're assuming that we're being given the full story m, of course | |||
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"its far too late..its in 3 different cities already..its on it way bigtime.so back to the drawing board Im afraid " But we are under lockdown right? So how is it being spread? | |||
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"Surely they can just check the flight manifest? You'd think so wouldn't you? Welcome to the UK. How long will you be staying? Where will you be staying on your visit? Unsure if it is the passenger locator form that has been completed incorrectly - from what I have read it looks more like they did not complete the details for the test they submitted. Why wouldn't you complete your details correctly?" I could have a guess? You don't want to be found... Now... Who would do that? | |||
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"I’m a bit confused by this , surely when you have a covid test , you supply name address etc, has the missing person who’s tested positive given a false name when submitting the test?"
That's what I'm not grasping yet. They didn't pick up a poundland test in the shop, where its not traceable. | |||
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"Surely they can just check the flight manifest? You'd think so wouldn't you? Welcome to the UK. How long will you be staying? Where will you be staying on your visit? " I get properly grilled when I fly into the UK. I don't get why they're not doing this with everyone right now. | |||
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"its far too late..its in 3 different cities already..its on it way bigtime.so back to the drawing board Im afraid But we are under lockdown right? So how is it being spread? " Well not sure what it's like where you live but you wouldn't believe that there's a lockdown where we are. | |||
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"Surely they can just check the flight manifest? You'd think so wouldn't you? Welcome to the UK. How long will you be staying? Where will you be staying on your visit? I get properly grilled when I fly into the UK. I don't get why they're not doing this with everyone right now." Right now? I mean you'd have hoped with our desire to control immigration we'd have been doing it for 30 years and doubled down on it the last 12 months. The fact anyone can get in or out of our country with such ease is bewildering. | |||
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"Surely they can just check the flight manifest? You'd think so wouldn't you? Welcome to the UK. How long will you be staying? Where will you be staying on your visit? I get properly grilled when I fly into the UK. I don't get why they're not doing this with everyone right now. Right now? I mean you'd have hoped with our desire to control immigration we'd have been doing it for 30 years and doubled down on it the last 12 months. The fact anyone can get in or out of our country with such ease is bewildering. " And what's really annoying is people are doing this yet I'm not allowed to travel to Scotland to clear my mother's house and collect her ashes!! | |||
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"Surely they can just check the flight manifest? You'd think so wouldn't you? Welcome to the UK. How long will you be staying? Where will you be staying on your visit? I get properly grilled when I fly into the UK. I don't get why they're not doing this with everyone right now. Right now? I mean you'd have hoped with our desire to control immigration we'd have been doing it for 30 years and doubled down on it the last 12 months. The fact anyone can get in or out of our country with such ease is bewildering. " I'm an immigrant, that's why they grill me And I probably get off lightly because I'm a good foreign But it can be a lot.
Right now (pandemic), everyone should be subjected to what regular legal immigrants are subjected to, at least. | |||
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"its far too late..its in 3 different cities already..its on it way bigtime.so back to the drawing board Im afraid But we are under lockdown right? So how is it being spread? Well not sure what it's like where you live but you wouldn't believe that there's a lockdown where we are. " Yeah a hint of irony... This has been a lockdown in name only. As soon as the twats announced "the plan" everyone just forgot the 4 dates and checkpoints and decided to take the breaks off immediately and rather predictably. With 20m vaccinated and 4.5 m positive tests plus 30 % with no symptoms we are somewhere near 25m with a level of immunity. Which hopefully protects us against the less disciplined that walk among us. | |||
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"maybe not waving them through unchecked? https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-56209431" Obviously they're not doing enough if this has happened. And there's not enough staff. Doubly bullshit system. | |||
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"maybe not waving them through unchecked? https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-56209431 Obviously they're not doing enough if this has happened. And there's not enough staff. Doubly bullshit system." ... maybe Then again what's the point of it all when you are asked to complete your details accurately, and for whatever reason, you don't... | |||
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"maybe not waving them through unchecked? https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-56209431 Obviously they're not doing enough if this has happened. And there's not enough staff. Doubly bullshit system. ... maybe Then again what's the point of it all when you are asked to complete your details accurately, and for whatever reason, you don't... " Yes. The idea that anyone can think this is optional or is allowed to be fictional blows my mind. But a system that's backlogged *and* isn't catching stuff is one that's doubly not working | |||
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"maybe not waving them through unchecked? https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-56209431 Obviously they're not doing enough if this has happened. And there's not enough staff. Doubly bullshit system. ... maybe Then again what's the point of it all when you are asked to complete your details accurately, and for whatever reason, you don't... Yes. The idea that anyone can think this is optional or is allowed to be fictional blows my mind. But a system that's backlogged *and* isn't catching stuff is one that's doubly not working " I don't believe this is new incompetence. I have no evidence to back this up, but my feeling is that we have not been controlling our borders for 20 plus years and we have neither the skills, systems, processes or people to do this. Having said all of that. We need to Confirm an address for everyone coming in. If you don't provide one, or provide one that can't be validated... Just go and sit and wait. | |||
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"maybe not waving them through unchecked? https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-56209431 Obviously they're not doing enough if this has happened. And there's not enough staff. Doubly bullshit system. ... maybe Then again what's the point of it all when you are asked to complete your details accurately, and for whatever reason, you don't... Yes. The idea that anyone can think this is optional or is allowed to be fictional blows my mind. But a system that's backlogged *and* isn't catching stuff is one that's doubly not working " Is the system supposed to catch the infected ones at the Border? | |||
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"maybe not waving them through unchecked? https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-56209431 Obviously they're not doing enough if this has happened. And there's not enough staff. Doubly bullshit system. ... maybe Then again what's the point of it all when you are asked to complete your details accurately, and for whatever reason, you don't... Yes. The idea that anyone can think this is optional or is allowed to be fictional blows my mind. But a system that's backlogged *and* isn't catching stuff is one that's doubly not working Is the system supposed to catch the infected ones at the Border?" You'd bloody well hope so | |||
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"maybe not waving them through unchecked? https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-56209431 Obviously they're not doing enough if this has happened. And there's not enough staff. Doubly bullshit system. ... maybe Then again what's the point of it all when you are asked to complete your details accurately, and for whatever reason, you don't... Yes. The idea that anyone can think this is optional or is allowed to be fictional blows my mind. But a system that's backlogged *and* isn't catching stuff is one that's doubly not working I don't believe this is new incompetence. I have no evidence to back this up, but my feeling is that we have not been controlling our borders for 20 plus years and we have neither the skills, systems, processes or people to do this. Having said all of that. We need to Confirm an address for everyone coming in. If you don't provide one, or provide one that can't be validated... Just go and sit and wait. " It's an interesting push pull. Over my time on temporary visas (now indefinite thank God) I saw costs and impositions on me as an immigrant skyrocket. I understand the need for control at all times, but (outside pandemic times) I really do think most people don't understand how difficult it can be. And when you tell them they don't believe you, or say you (I) should be exempt from all that hassle. (I'm British really ) | |||
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"maybe not waving them through unchecked? https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-56209431 Obviously they're not doing enough if this has happened. And there's not enough staff. Doubly bullshit system. ... maybe Then again what's the point of it all when you are asked to complete your details accurately, and for whatever reason, you don't... Yes. The idea that anyone can think this is optional or is allowed to be fictional blows my mind. But a system that's backlogged *and* isn't catching stuff is one that's doubly not working Is the system supposed to catch the infected ones at the Border?" Possibly, but it's part of the process of managing entry and exit into our country which needs protecting against many things... Covid is just one of them. There are already many checkpoints in the process... Book a flight Check in for a flight Passport control Immigration exit Board a flight Disembark from a flight Passport Control Immigration entry Collect luggage if you have any There's a lot of checking that can be done at those points....by a lot of computers... Or not as the case may be. | |||
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"maybe not waving them through unchecked? https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-56209431 Obviously they're not doing enough if this has happened. And there's not enough staff. Doubly bullshit system. ... maybe Then again what's the point of it all when you are asked to complete your details accurately, and for whatever reason, you don't... Yes. The idea that anyone can think this is optional or is allowed to be fictional blows my mind. But a system that's backlogged *and* isn't catching stuff is one that's doubly not working Is the system supposed to catch the infected ones at the Border? You'd bloody well hope so "There's a misunderstanding of what the system at the Border is designed to then. Zoom out and have a wider look at the component parts of the system. | |||
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"maybe not waving them through unchecked? https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-56209431 Obviously they're not doing enough if this has happened. And there's not enough staff. Doubly bullshit system. ... maybe Then again what's the point of it all when you are asked to complete your details accurately, and for whatever reason, you don't... Yes. The idea that anyone can think this is optional or is allowed to be fictional blows my mind. But a system that's backlogged *and* isn't catching stuff is one that's doubly not working Is the system supposed to catch the infected ones at the Border? Possibly, but it's part of the process of managing entry and exit into our country which needs protecting against many things... Covid is just one of them. There are already many checkpoints in the process... Book a flight Check in for a flight Passport control Immigration exit Board a flight Disembark from a flight Passport Control Immigration entry Collect luggage if you have any There's a lot of checking that can be done at those points....by a lot of computers... Or not as the case may be. " I'd probably just instruct the staff to hassle people as much as you'd hassle a "bad foreign". There'd be complaints but it'd sort out a lot 
Even as a good foreign, when flying around the EU, I've been told I'm not allowed to fly where my ticket says because I have to go home to Australia
After I finish travelling I'm going home. To Manchester. Where I live. Legally | |||
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"maybe not waving them through unchecked? https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-56209431 Obviously they're not doing enough if this has happened. And there's not enough staff. Doubly bullshit system. ... maybe Then again what's the point of it all when you are asked to complete your details accurately, and for whatever reason, you don't... Yes. The idea that anyone can think this is optional or is allowed to be fictional blows my mind. But a system that's backlogged *and* isn't catching stuff is one that's doubly not working Is the system supposed to catch the infected ones at the Border? You'd bloody well hope so
There's a misunderstanding of what the system at the Border is designed to then.
Zoom out and have a wider look at the component parts of the system.
"During a pandemic it needs to be redesigned. I don't give a monkeys what it's normally meant to do, our national security also depends on biosecurity at this time. | |||
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"maybe not waving them through unchecked? https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-56209431 Obviously they're not doing enough if this has happened. And there's not enough staff. Doubly bullshit system. ... maybe Then again what's the point of it all when you are asked to complete your details accurately, and for whatever reason, you don't... Yes. The idea that anyone can think this is optional or is allowed to be fictional blows my mind. But a system that's backlogged *and* isn't catching stuff is one that's doubly not working I don't believe this is new incompetence. I have no evidence to back this up, but my feeling is that we have not been controlling our borders for 20 plus years and we have neither the skills, systems, processes or people to do this. Having said all of that. We need to Confirm an address for everyone coming in. If you don't provide one, or provide one that can't be validated... Just go and sit and wait. It's an interesting push pull. Over my time on temporary visas (now indefinite thank God) I saw costs and impositions on me as an immigrant skyrocket. I understand the need for control at all times, but (outside pandemic times) I really do think most people don't understand how difficult it can be. And when you tell them they don't believe you, or say you (I) should be exempt from all that hassle. (I'm British really )"Thing is.. Air travel and x border travel has become the norm for many people... Like its catching a bus... And there are really good reasons why it isn't... And needs to be treated differently. It used to be that booking a flight was easy and getting in and out of a country required planning paperwork and time. Now booking a flight is harder and getting in and out of a country is easy. And any checks are viewed with disdain. I mean those fuckers whining about having to wait for 7 hours.....really? That or spread a contagion that causes a lockdown of 50m people for 4 months. A bit of perspective is needed. | |||
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"maybe not waving them through unchecked? https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-56209431 Obviously they're not doing enough if this has happened. And there's not enough staff. Doubly bullshit system. ... maybe Then again what's the point of it all when you are asked to complete your details accurately, and for whatever reason, you don't... Yes. The idea that anyone can think this is optional or is allowed to be fictional blows my mind. But a system that's backlogged *and* isn't catching stuff is one that's doubly not working Is the system supposed to catch the infected ones at the Border? Possibly, but it's part of the process of managing entry and exit into our country which needs protecting against many things... Covid is just one of them. There are already many checkpoints in the process... Book a flight Check in for a flight Passport control Immigration exit Board a flight Disembark from a flight Passport Control Immigration entry Collect luggage if you have any There's a lot of checking that can be done at those points....by a lot of computers... Or not as the case may be. I'd probably just instruct the staff to hassle people as much as you'd hassle a "bad foreign". There'd be complaints but it'd sort out a lot
Even as a good foreign, when flying around the EU, I've been told I'm not allowed to fly where my ticket says because I have to go home to Australia
After I finish travelling I'm going home. To Manchester. Where I live. Legally "Manc and aussie! Bloody hell amazed they let you anywhere... | |||
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"maybe not waving them through unchecked? https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-56209431 Obviously they're not doing enough if this has happened. And there's not enough staff. Doubly bullshit system. ... maybe Then again what's the point of it all when you are asked to complete your details accurately, and for whatever reason, you don't... Yes. The idea that anyone can think this is optional or is allowed to be fictional blows my mind. But a system that's backlogged *and* isn't catching stuff is one that's doubly not working I don't believe this is new incompetence. I have no evidence to back this up, but my feeling is that we have not been controlling our borders for 20 plus years and we have neither the skills, systems, processes or people to do this. Having said all of that. We need to Confirm an address for everyone coming in. If you don't provide one, or provide one that can't be validated... Just go and sit and wait. It's an interesting push pull. Over my time on temporary visas (now indefinite thank God) I saw costs and impositions on me as an immigrant skyrocket. I understand the need for control at all times, but (outside pandemic times) I really do think most people don't understand how difficult it can be. And when you tell them they don't believe you, or say you (I) should be exempt from all that hassle. (I'm British really )
Thing is.. Air travel and x border travel has become the norm for many people... Like its catching a bus... And there are really good reasons why it isn't... And needs to be treated differently. It used to be that booking a flight was easy and getting in and out of a country required planning paperwork and time. Now booking a flight is harder and getting in and out of a country is easy. And any checks are viewed with disdain. I mean those fuckers whining about having to wait for 7 hours.....really? That or spread a contagion that causes a lockdown of 50m people for 4 months. A bit of perspective is needed. "I can see that people are unused to checks, but frankly tough fucking shit. National security overrides people's irritation. It's a disaster, checks are needed. (and so are enough staff ffs, 7 hours is unnecessary) Checks are part of my reality, I'm interviewed, photographed and fingerprinted at the border. I'm not suggesting everyone go through that process - and I'm sure other people are treated with more suspicion than I am - but being allowed into a country should be less straightforward than scanning a barcode or a rubber stamp, even in normal times. | |||
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"maybe not waving them through unchecked? https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-56209431 Obviously they're not doing enough if this has happened. And there's not enough staff. Doubly bullshit system. ... maybe Then again what's the point of it all when you are asked to complete your details accurately, and for whatever reason, you don't... Yes. The idea that anyone can think this is optional or is allowed to be fictional blows my mind. But a system that's backlogged *and* isn't catching stuff is one that's doubly not working Is the system supposed to catch the infected ones at the Border? Possibly, but it's part of the process of managing entry and exit into our country which needs protecting against many things... Covid is just one of them. There are already many checkpoints in the process... Book a flight Check in for a flight Passport control Immigration exit Board a flight Disembark from a flight Passport Control Immigration entry Collect luggage if you have any There's a lot of checking that can be done at those points....by a lot of computers... Or not as the case may be. I'd probably just instruct the staff to hassle people as much as you'd hassle a "bad foreign". There'd be complaints but it'd sort out a lot
Even as a good foreign, when flying around the EU, I've been told I'm not allowed to fly where my ticket says because I have to go home to Australia
After I finish travelling I'm going home. To Manchester. Where I live. Legally
Manc and aussie! Bloody hell amazed they let you anywhere... "
I was a bit confronted being told with a ticket to Manchester that I was going to Australia. Like fuck I am, I don't even have a spare pair of knickers for a long haul flight. | |||
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"maybe not waving them through unchecked? https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-56209431 Obviously they're not doing enough if this has happened. And there's not enough staff. Doubly bullshit system. ... maybe Then again what's the point of it all when you are asked to complete your details accurately, and for whatever reason, you don't... Yes. The idea that anyone can think this is optional or is allowed to be fictional blows my mind. But a system that's backlogged *and* isn't catching stuff is one that's doubly not working I don't believe this is new incompetence. I have no evidence to back this up, but my feeling is that we have not been controlling our borders for 20 plus years and we have neither the skills, systems, processes or people to do this. Having said all of that. We need to Confirm an address for everyone coming in. If you don't provide one, or provide one that can't be validated... Just go and sit and wait. It's an interesting push pull. Over my time on temporary visas (now indefinite thank God) I saw costs and impositions on me as an immigrant skyrocket. I understand the need for control at all times, but (outside pandemic times) I really do think most people don't understand how difficult it can be. And when you tell them they don't believe you, or say you (I) should be exempt from all that hassle. (I'm British really )
Thing is.. Air travel and x border travel has become the norm for many people... Like its catching a bus... And there are really good reasons why it isn't... And needs to be treated differently. It used to be that booking a flight was easy and getting in and out of a country required planning paperwork and time. Now booking a flight is harder and getting in and out of a country is easy. And any checks are viewed with disdain. I mean those fuckers whining about having to wait for 7 hours.....really? That or spread a contagion that causes a lockdown of 50m people for 4 months. A bit of perspective is needed.
I can see that people are unused to checks, but frankly tough fucking shit. National security overrides people's irritation. It's a disaster, checks are needed. (and so are enough staff ffs, 7 hours is unnecessary)
Checks are part of my reality, I'm interviewed, photographed and fingerprinted at the border. I'm not suggesting everyone go through that process - and I'm sure other people are treated with more suspicion than I am - but being allowed into a country should be less straightforward than scanning a barcode or a rubber stamp, even in normal times."Especially when "scanning the bar code" actually achieves sweet fa as far as security or checks is Concerned. It seems it just Confirms someone has a passport... Might as well scan the library card. At least that has an up to date address on it. | |||
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"maybe not waving them through unchecked? https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-56209431 Obviously they're not doing enough if this has happened. And there's not enough staff. Doubly bullshit system. ... maybe Then again what's the point of it all when you are asked to complete your details accurately, and for whatever reason, you don't... Yes. The idea that anyone can think this is optional or is allowed to be fictional blows my mind. But a system that's backlogged *and* isn't catching stuff is one that's doubly not working I don't believe this is new incompetence. I have no evidence to back this up, but my feeling is that we have not been controlling our borders for 20 plus years and we have neither the skills, systems, processes or people to do this. Having said all of that. We need to Confirm an address for everyone coming in. If you don't provide one, or provide one that can't be validated... Just go and sit and wait. It's an interesting push pull. Over my time on temporary visas (now indefinite thank God) I saw costs and impositions on me as an immigrant skyrocket. I understand the need for control at all times, but (outside pandemic times) I really do think most people don't understand how difficult it can be. And when you tell them they don't believe you, or say you (I) should be exempt from all that hassle. (I'm British really )
Thing is.. Air travel and x border travel has become the norm for many people... Like its catching a bus... And there are really good reasons why it isn't... And needs to be treated differently. It used to be that booking a flight was easy and getting in and out of a country required planning paperwork and time. Now booking a flight is harder and getting in and out of a country is easy. And any checks are viewed with disdain. I mean those fuckers whining about having to wait for 7 hours.....really? That or spread a contagion that causes a lockdown of 50m people for 4 months. A bit of perspective is needed.
I can see that people are unused to checks, but frankly tough fucking shit. National security overrides people's irritation. It's a disaster, checks are needed. (and so are enough staff ffs, 7 hours is unnecessary)
Checks are part of my reality, I'm interviewed, photographed and fingerprinted at the border. I'm not suggesting everyone go through that process - and I'm sure other people are treated with more suspicion than I am - but being allowed into a country should be less straightforward than scanning a barcode or a rubber stamp, even in normal times.
Especially when "scanning the bar code" actually achieves sweet fa as far as security or checks is Concerned. It seems it just Confirms someone has a passport... Might as well scan the library card. At least that has an up to date address on it. "Well, quite. It'd be difficult to sort out the balance between privacy, security, and speed. But you'd think it was important... | |||
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"maybe not waving them through unchecked? https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-56209431 Obviously they're not doing enough if this has happened. And there's not enough staff. Doubly bullshit system. ... maybe Then again what's the point of it all when you are asked to complete your details accurately, and for whatever reason, you don't... Yes. The idea that anyone can think this is optional or is allowed to be fictional blows my mind. But a system that's backlogged *and* isn't catching stuff is one that's doubly not working I don't believe this is new incompetence. I have no evidence to back this up, but my feeling is that we have not been controlling our borders for 20 plus years and we have neither the skills, systems, processes or people to do this. Having said all of that. We need to Confirm an address for everyone coming in. If you don't provide one, or provide one that can't be validated... Just go and sit and wait. It's an interesting push pull. Over my time on temporary visas (now indefinite thank God) I saw costs and impositions on me as an immigrant skyrocket. I understand the need for control at all times, but (outside pandemic times) I really do think most people don't understand how difficult it can be. And when you tell them they don't believe you, or say you (I) should be exempt from all that hassle. (I'm British really )
Thing is.. Air travel and x border travel has become the norm for many people... Like its catching a bus... And there are really good reasons why it isn't... And needs to be treated differently. It used to be that booking a flight was easy and getting in and out of a country required planning paperwork and time. Now booking a flight is harder and getting in and out of a country is easy. And any checks are viewed with disdain. I mean those fuckers whining about having to wait for 7 hours.....really? That or spread a contagion that causes a lockdown of 50m people for 4 months. A bit of perspective is needed.
I can see that people are unused to checks, but frankly tough fucking shit. National security overrides people's irritation. It's a disaster, checks are needed. (and so are enough staff ffs, 7 hours is unnecessary)
Checks are part of my reality, I'm interviewed, photographed and fingerprinted at the border. I'm not suggesting everyone go through that process - and I'm sure other people are treated with more suspicion than I am - but being allowed into a country should be less straightforward than scanning a barcode or a rubber stamp, even in normal times.
Especially when "scanning the bar code" actually achieves sweet fa as far as security or checks is Concerned. It seems it just Confirms someone has a passport... Might as well scan the library card. At least that has an up to date address on it.
Well, quite.
It'd be difficult to sort out the balance between privacy, security, and speed. But you'd think it was important..."Do you think it's that difficult.? I mean the alternative is a nationwide lockdown of 50m people for 4 months... A little inconvenience perhaps but not as bad as a lockdown. | |||
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" Well, quite. It'd be difficult to sort out the balance between privacy, security, and speed. But you'd think it was important... Do you think it's that difficult.? I mean the alternative is a nationwide lockdown of 50m people for 4 months... A little inconvenience perhaps but not as bad as a lockdown." By "difficult", I don't mean "unattainable", I mean "requires some thought, resolve, and creativity". Any competent government should be able to manage it. | |||
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"The Interesting thing to me is that I believe he was on a Swiss air flight paid with a card, his DNA would also be on the sample and I'm guessing he would have a mobile phone?? Something's not right, he either works for the secret services, is some sort of diplomat or is a criminal kingpin? What are your thoughts??" And he / she has either been shopping, eating, driving, hotelling, petrol top up, mobile call tracking etc since landing... | |||
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"The Interesting thing to me is that I believe he was on a Swiss air flight paid with a card, his DNA would also be on the sample and I'm guessing he would have a mobile phone?? Something's not right, he either works for the secret services, is some sort of diplomat or is a criminal kingpin? What are your thoughts??" Potentially used someone else's card and/or pays in cash/ living with family | |||
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"The Interesting thing to me is that I believe he was on a Swiss air flight paid with a card, his DNA would also be on the sample and I'm guessing he would have a mobile phone?? Something's not right, he either works for the secret services, is some sort of diplomat or is a criminal kingpin? What are your thoughts?? Potentially used someone else's card and/or pays in cash/ living with family" True but flights haven't been that busy and CCTV surely is an option this was Feb12th, you would think all the stops would be pulled out in the search as it could be people's lives at risk here? | |||
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"The Interesting thing to me is that I believe he was on a Swiss air flight paid with a card, his DNA would also be on the sample and I'm guessing he would have a mobile phone?? Something's not right, he either works for the secret services, is some sort of diplomat or is a criminal kingpin? What are your thoughts?? Potentially used someone else's card and/or pays in cash/ living with family True but flights haven't been that busy and CCTV surely is an option this was Feb12th, you would think all the stops would be pulled out in the search as it could be people's lives at risk here?" Oh definitely. But I'm just thinking how it might have happened | |||
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"The Interesting thing to me is that I believe he was on a Swiss air flight paid with a card, his DNA would also be on the sample and I'm guessing he would have a mobile phone?? Something's not right, he either works for the secret services, is some sort of diplomat or is a criminal kingpin? What are your thoughts?? Potentially used someone else's card and/or pays in cash/ living with family True but flights haven't been that busy and CCTV surely is an option this was Feb12th, you would think all the stops would be pulled out in the search as it could be people's lives at risk here? Oh definitely. But I'm just thinking how it might have happened" And now we need to find said person and all their contacts pronto. I wonder how long it would take pinkertons or brinks.... | |||
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"The missing person completed the home test or local authorities test but didn’t put contact details , Labour blames government but denied by the PM Boris Johnson " How is it anyone's fault other than the twat not providing contact details.? | |||
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"The real question is are we just prolonging the inevitable? And what would that be? Let it rip, let people die." If there really is a supreme intelligence overseeing us then letting it rip and letting people die would probably be the plan in order to cull the already excessive population. In fact, I might even be inclined to believe in a supreme intelligence if that were to happen. | |||
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"The real question is are we just prolonging the inevitable? And what would that be? Let it rip, let people die. If there really is a supreme intelligence overseeing us then letting it rip and letting people die would probably be the plan in order to cull the already excessive population. In fact, I might even be inclined to believe in a supreme intelligence if that were to happen." Such a supreme intelligence would be rather lacking in the humanity front, and I would treat it with the disdain it deserves. | |||
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"Surely you shouldn't be able to do the test without valid contact details? No details, no result ? Isn't that a massive flaw in the whole contact tracing thing? So I can get on flight with a positive test and not leave any valid contact details.. doesn't seem right to me. " You'd think wouldn't you? A system that depends on having correct contact details is its whole raison d'etre. Now if you or I or possibly by 12 year old child were to design such a system and process .. We might make it compulsory to have valid address email or sms.... I'm sure it's to accommodate all the fools who don't want to provide contact details as its a freedom of expression... | |||
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"Chances are they did the test, went home and isolated to wait for the result. Just because of an admin error on the forms, they couldn't be traced.. Put it into perspective, the uk does approximately half a million tests a day, of which a quarter are being screened. The people being picked up with the Brazilian variant was over a few days, so approximately 450,000 screened tests. Six people out of 450,000 with the variant which is approximately 1 in 77,000. The person areived over 10 days ago now so would be out of isolation and more than likely, free of the virus too.. Its a big story because its another slow news day with too much positive news... " Or it's a major threat to public health if it spreads | |||
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"Surely you shouldn't be able to do the test without valid contact details? No details, no result ? Isn't that a massive flaw in the whole contact tracing thing? So I can get on flight with a positive test and not leave any valid contact details.. doesn't seem right to me. You'd think wouldn't you? A system that depends on having correct contact details is its whole raison d'etre. Now if you or I or possibly by 12 year old child were to design such a system and process .. We might make it compulsory to have valid address email or sms.... I'm sure it's to accommodate all the fools who don't want to provide contact details as its a freedom of expression... " Or it could be a uk passport holder who is no longer resident, using their uk citizenship to get out of Brazil to stay with a relative here. | |||
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"Surely you shouldn't be able to do the test without valid contact details? No details, no result ? Isn't that a massive flaw in the whole contact tracing thing? So I can get on flight with a positive test and not leave any valid contact details.. doesn't seem right to me. " wasn’t it a postal test done in the uk? if the forget to fill the paperwork in or fill it in wrong who is standing at the postbox recusing to accept the test for being incomplete? we have to accept that people should have a level of responsibility themselves - you cant design a control fof absolutely everything , but that does mean occasionally someone will make a mistake | |||
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"The Interesting thing to me is that I believe he was on a Swiss air flight paid with a card, his DNA would also be on the sample and I'm guessing he would have a mobile phone?? Something's not right, he either works for the secret services, is some sort of diplomat or is a criminal kingpin? What are your thoughts?? or contrary to all popular conspiracy theorists the government dont monitor us to the level of having a copy of all of our dna, so unless he is in the criminal system thats of no use to anyone " Ain't it wonderful?! We're being "controlled" etc etc blah blah but we can't find this person. Just goes to show actually how little information, even in a pandemic, one has to provide to re enter the country if you are a UK passport holder... It's very easy to give false details, to set up a temporary email or use a pay & go SIM to order the test etc. | |||
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" im not sure where the idea that we should be able to trace them coming into the country comes from either i might have missed part of the story but from the articles i read there are 2 people from the same household that were on a swiss air flight who are positive , therefore they are contacting everyone in the flight to test as a precaution separately and quite possibly entirely unrelated , a postal test which didn’t have the registration card filled out (so an easy mistake to make its not been falsified or anything to do with the border that i can see) has tested positive with the same strain this person could have tested for any reason at all - part of an asymptotic trial, the app told them too, someone at work got sick and they felt they should - its not necessarily linked to travel - they could have been in contact with someone who has been travelling to get the strain or it could just be a new mutation which resembles the brazil strain but then you come on here and its all stuff about people falsifying travel forms and we could trace them by their credit card they used for the flight - we don’t even know the person has been out of the country - literally all we have to go on is a swab and i am guessing because of how they are handled in the lab, not even a postmark to guess what area of the country it came from " You are quite right, I personally have conflated the international travel and the postal test person: "Vaccines Minister Nadhim Zahawi said it was not known whether or not the unidentified person had recently been abroad, so it was not clear if they would have been self-isolating while they were infected." Separately, I still think it's amusing that many among the population think the Government can track X, Y and Z, but they cannot track a person who ordered and used a home test kit! Presumably it was delivered to an address originally and the occupants of that address should know who used it (if they ordered it on behalf of someone else). | |||
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"i think there will be loads of people that have ordered postal tests and then not used them though, it will be a place to start i guess but quite the data exercise to check if everything you sent out has come back in hopefully the tv appeals will get people who missed their results to come forward, it might be this person just thinks no reply meant negative up til now (sounds like they didn’t read the paperwork all that well if they forgot to fill some of it in) " The home kits are ordered either online or via 119 and you obviously have to give a delivery address and it has to be residential. The kits are bar coded and so it should be on record to which address kits were sent to. The kit reference should be included in the lab tracking of the sample. It sounds like someone has used a kit ordered by a different addressee, so someone has done hand-me-down kit sharing, but surely the original address should be traceable? Who knows..... | |||
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"i think there will be loads of people that have ordered postal tests and then not used them though, it will be a place to start i guess but quite the data exercise to check if everything you sent out has come back in hopefully the tv appeals will get people who missed their results to come forward, it might be this person just thinks no reply meant negative up til now (sounds like they didn’t read the paperwork all that well if they forgot to fill some of it in) The home kits are ordered either online or via 119 and you obviously have to give a delivery address and it has to be residential. The kits are bar coded and so it should be on record to which address kits were sent to. The kit reference should be included in the lab tracking of the sample. It sounds like someone has used a kit ordered by a different addressee, so someone has done hand-me-down kit sharing, but surely the original address should be traceable? Who knows....." i think the barcodes are for when they arrive at a lab, not on the way out - on the way out its just a generic kit sent to anyone that requests it , so they would need to cross reference anyone that had ever been sent a home kit against anyone that had ever had a result, as people could have had the kit sat at home for months - with hundreds of thousands of tests a day that cross check of data is phenomenal even when i booked and paid for a private test the barcode didn’t get activated to my ID until i went online and registered it as taking the test there and then and the purpose of that really was just to record a time taken against the test number so it could be included on the certificate from the lab - because the nhs tests dont provide that level of data on results they wont be wasting money connecting tests to people until they have actually been used | |||
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"Surely they can just check the flight manifest? You'd think so wouldn't you? Welcome to the UK. How long will you be staying? Where will you be staying on your visit? Unsure if it is the passenger locator form that has been completed incorrectly - from what I have read it looks more like they did not complete the details for the test they submitted. Why wouldn't you complete your details correctly?" Here in Gt Britain we can't get in a shop without a mask before the Stasi police appear. Can't have a walk in the park without being arrested. This man flies half way around the world. Obviously incognito. What about all these cameras? On the plane? 500 million cameras in Britain. 10 for every person. Face recognition cameras. And these people are going to rule the world? WEF. The Great Reset. They could not do a job for our cat. Bring back Ealing comedies. Make more sense than our Mickey Mouse arrangements. | |||
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"Surely they can just check the flight manifest? You'd think so wouldn't you? Welcome to the UK. How long will you be staying? Where will you be staying on your visit? Unsure if it is the passenger locator form that has been completed incorrectly - from what I have read it looks more like they did not complete the details for the test they submitted. Why wouldn't you complete your details correctly? Here in Gt Britain we can't get in a shop without a mask before the Stasi police appear. Can't have a walk in the park without being arrested. This man flies half way around the world. Obviously incognito. What about all these cameras? On the plane? 500 million cameras in Britain. 10 for every person. Face recognition cameras. And these people are going to rule the world? WEF. The Great Reset. They could not do a job for our cat. Bring back Ealing comedies. Make more sense than our Mickey Mouse arrangements. " I read that they are looking for the delivery data, via DPD or the other courier that was used. Good luck with that! | |||
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"Surely they can just check the flight manifest? You'd think so wouldn't you? Welcome to the UK. How long will you be staying? Where will you be staying on your visit? Unsure if it is the passenger locator form that has been completed incorrectly - from what I have read it looks more like they did not complete the details for the test they submitted. Why wouldn't you complete your details correctly? Here in Gt Britain we can't get in a shop without a mask before the Stasi police appear. Can't have a walk in the park without being arrested. This man flies half way around the world. Obviously incognito. What about all these cameras? On the plane? 500 million cameras in Britain. 10 for every person. Face recognition cameras. And these people are going to rule the world? WEF. The Great Reset. They could not do a job for our cat. Bring back Ealing comedies. Make more sense than our Mickey Mouse arrangements. I read that they are looking for the delivery data, via DPD or the other courier that was used. Good luck with that! " The Deep State Already Know | |||
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" im not sure where the idea that we should be able to trace them coming into the country comes from either i might have missed part of the story but from the articles i read there are 2 people from the same household that were on a swiss air flight who are positive , therefore they are contacting everyone in the flight to test as a precaution separately and quite possibly entirely unrelated , a postal test which didn’t have the registration card filled out (so an easy mistake to make its not been falsified or anything to do with the border that i can see) has tested positive with the same strain this person could have tested for any reason at all - part of an asymptotic trial, the app told them too, someone at work got sick and they felt they should - its not necessarily linked to travel - they could have been in contact with someone who has been travelling to get the strain or it could just be a new mutation which resembles the brazil strain but then you come on here and its all stuff about people falsifying travel forms and we could trace them by their credit card they used for the flight - we don’t even know the person has been out of the country - literally all we have to go on is a swab and i am guessing because of how they are handled in the lab, not even a postmark to guess what area of the country it came from You are quite right, I personally have conflated the international travel and the postal test person: "Vaccines Minister Nadhim Zahawi said it was not known whether or not the unidentified person had recently been abroad, so it was not clear if they would have been self-isolating while they were infected." Separately, I still think it's amusing that many among the population think the Government can track X, Y and Z, but they cannot track a person who ordered and used a home test kit! Presumably it was delivered to an address originally and the occupants of that address should know who used it (if they ordered it on behalf of someone else). " It just highlights how well our £22 billion on Test and Trace has been spent. Minimal tracking and accountability. Test sent to an individual - they do it correctly and send it via DPD or the other courier back. But we can't - or haven't been able to - identify who it was, or which address it came from | |||
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" im not sure where the idea that we should be able to trace them coming into the country comes from either i might have missed part of the story but from the articles i read there are 2 people from the same household that were on a swiss air flight who are positive , therefore they are contacting everyone in the flight to test as a precaution separately and quite possibly entirely unrelated , a postal test which didn’t have the registration card filled out (so an easy mistake to make its not been falsified or anything to do with the border that i can see) has tested positive with the same strain this person could have tested for any reason at all - part of an asymptotic trial, the app told them too, someone at work got sick and they felt they should - its not necessarily linked to travel - they could have been in contact with someone who has been travelling to get the strain or it could just be a new mutation which resembles the brazil strain but then you come on here and its all stuff about people falsifying travel forms and we could trace them by their credit card they used for the flight - we don’t even know the person has been out of the country - literally all we have to go on is a swab and i am guessing because of how they are handled in the lab, not even a postmark to guess what area of the country it came from You are quite right, I personally have conflated the international travel and the postal test person: "Vaccines Minister Nadhim Zahawi said it was not known whether or not the unidentified person had recently been abroad, so it was not clear if they would have been self-isolating while they were infected." Separately, I still think it's amusing that many among the population think the Government can track X, Y and Z, but they cannot track a person who ordered and used a home test kit! Presumably it was delivered to an address originally and the occupants of that address should know who used it (if they ordered it on behalf of someone else). It just highlights how well our £22 billion on Test and Trace has been spent. Minimal tracking and accountability. Test sent to an individual - they do it correctly and send it via DPD or the other courier back. But we can't - or haven't been able to - identify who it was, or which address it came from "Slightly incorrect in suggesting track and trace can't identify the missing person. As previously noted here, the test is sent out with a barcode, but at the point of dispatch and delivery that test barcode is not matched to the person or address it is being sent to. The test barcode only becomes identifiable to a specific person/address when that person/address sends it back with the record card completed with their contact details. At this point the person returning the test did not complete the record card correctly. I'm sure there are lots of perfectly acceptable reasons not to complete contact details correctly .... | |||
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"Nationwide search for a person with Brazilian COVID-19 variant . If this person spreads out Brazilian Covid-19 quickly , do you think can go for another locked down???" Ahh poop! Here we go again | |||
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"Oh good, they've been found
Oooo where did you read that?"https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-56298931 | |||
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404 Page Cannot be Found "Wtf BBC. It was the top story when I looked. (Other news services are available, you don't have to be tied to the BBC, etc disclaimer etc) | |||
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Wtf BBC. It was the top story when I looked.
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Wtf BBC. It was the top story when I looked.
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Page is there. Reading it now."I found it
Terribly disappointed that the full name, address, postcode and inside leg measurement of the individual wasn't supplied | |||
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Page is there. Reading it now.
I found it
Terribly disappointed that the full name, address, postcode and inside leg measurement of the individual wasn't supplied "
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"Matt Hancock on tv.He says that this person stayed at home and no sign that there has been any onward transmission.They are putting more testing in Croydon, where they live." That's good news. | |||
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"Matt Hancock on tv.He says that this person stayed at home and no sign that there has been any onward transmission.They are putting more testing in Croydon, where they live. That's good news. " Yes it is, they have been isolating  | |||
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"The real question is are we just prolonging the inevitable? Sure. As we do with any medical intervention. Let's get rid of them all and just let people die in ways we can prevent. Awesome "finaly some one speaks some sense.. | |||
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"Matt Hancock on tv.He says that this person stayed at home and no sign that there has been any onward transmission.They are putting more testing in Croydon, where they live. That's good news. "
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"Must of had their head in a bucket..at no point did the not put 2 and 2 together and think mmmm that may be me ???? "Croydon.. Say no more.. | |||
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"Shucks! Bit of a bummer for all those who hoped that this had all the ingredients for a future blockbuster movie!" Haha! Maybe a short play?.. | |||
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"Must of had their head in a bucket..at no point did the not put 2 and 2 together and think mmmm that may be me ????
Croydon.. Say no more.. " | |||
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"Must of had their head in a bucket..at no point did the not put 2 and 2 together and think mmmm that may be me ????
Croydon.. Say no more..
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"Surely they can just check the flight manifest? You'd think so wouldn't you? Welcome to the UK. How long will you be staying? Where will you be staying on your visit? Unsure if it is the passenger locator form that has been completed incorrectly - from what I have read it looks more like they did not complete the details for the test they submitted. Why wouldn't you complete your details correctly? I could have a guess? You don't want to be found... Now... Who would do that? " English might not have been his first language and they did not have one in Portuguese? | |||
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"Surely they can just check the flight manifest? You'd think so wouldn't you? Welcome to the UK. How long will you be staying? Where will you be staying on your visit? Unsure if it is the passenger locator form that has been completed incorrectly - from what I have read it looks more like they did not complete the details for the test they submitted. Why wouldn't you complete your details correctly? I could have a guess? You don't want to be found... Now... Who would do that? English might not have been his first language and they did not have one in Portuguese?" and if they didnt want to be found they wouldnt even bother submitting a test | |||
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