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"When all the over 50s are vaccinated lockdown should totally end in our opinion " 110% agree | |||
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"Essentially we will always have a pool of coronavirus speading, its when we get to the numbers which PHE are happy with circulating. Could we ever get below 5000 daily positive tests in winter time with low hospital admissions and deaths, only time will tell..." The problem with high infection rates is that every infection has potential to mutate. We don't want it to mutate too often for obvious reasons of risk it compromises the vaccines. | |||
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"Essentially we will always have a pool of coronavirus speading, its when we get to the numbers which PHE are happy with circulating. Could we ever get below 5000 daily positive tests in winter time with low hospital admissions and deaths, only time will tell... The problem with high infection rates is that every infection has potential to mutate. We don't want it to mutate too often for obvious reasons of risk it compromises the vaccines. " Absolutely. We should aim for extremely low risk and preserve the vaccine program as well as save people from long term effects of Covid. | |||
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"Essentially we will always have a pool of coronavirus speading, its when we get to the numbers which PHE are happy with circulating. Could we ever get below 5000 daily positive tests in winter time with low hospital admissions and deaths, only time will tell... The problem with high infection rates is that every infection has potential to mutate. We don't want it to mutate too often for obvious reasons of risk it compromises the vaccines. Absolutely. We should aim for extremely low risk and preserve the vaccine program as well as save people from long term effects of Covid." Yes 
We should aim for low risk and lower circulation of the virus in order to preserve the vaccine program.
As lockdown eases, other measures like test, track and trace should be ramped up.
Hospitalisations and deaths will drop, but long covid is still a threat to the younger unvaccinated group. | |||
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"Essentially we will always have a pool of coronavirus speading, its when we get to the numbers which PHE are happy with circulating. Could we ever get below 5000 daily positive tests in winter time with low hospital admissions and deaths, only time will tell... The problem with high infection rates is that every infection has potential to mutate. We don't want it to mutate too often for obvious reasons of risk it compromises the vaccines. Absolutely. We should aim for extremely low risk and preserve the vaccine program as well as save people from long term effects of Covid. Yes
We should aim for low risk and lower circulation of the virus in order to preserve the vaccine program.
As lockdown eases, other measures like test, track and trace should be ramped up.
Hospitalisations and deaths will drop, but long covid is still a threat to the younger unvaccinated group."And variants could screw it up entirely. We prevent variants with lower transmission. | |||
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"You would swear that lockdown has ended given the hordes of people all meeting up and doing stuff. Just saw a group of 7 elderly walkers out just now for example. The number of cases in Scotland was going down great but has stalled for the last 10 days. There have been no changes in policy so the only reason can be people not obeying the rules. I do hope this sort of selfish activity isn't going to stall ending lockdown. I've long maintained that it is those breaking lockdown (either deliberately or through ignorance) that have caused the problems. It's nothing to do with government, it's to do with a huge section of the population disobeying rules and is the reason that countries such as Singapore are doing so well." your chances of catching it outside are very very low indeed 7 people walking is not the same as 7 people stuffed up the frozen food aisle | |||
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"Essentially we will always have a pool of coronavirus speading, its when we get to the numbers which PHE are happy with circulating. Could we ever get below 5000 daily positive tests in winter time with low hospital admissions and deaths, only time will tell... The problem with high infection rates is that every infection has potential to mutate. We don't want it to mutate too often for obvious reasons of risk it compromises the vaccines. Absolutely. We should aim for extremely low risk and preserve the vaccine program as well as save people from long term effects of Covid. Yes
We should aim for low risk and lower circulation of the virus in order to preserve the vaccine program.
As lockdown eases, other measures like test, track and trace should be ramped up.
Hospitalisations and deaths will drop, but long covid is still a threat to the younger unvaccinated group.
And variants could screw it up entirely. We prevent variants with lower transmission." | |||
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"When all the over 50s are vaccinated lockdown should totally end in our opinion " . Totally agree | |||
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"The Canterbury area has seen a dramatic decline in Covid cases with some areas within (Chestfield and South Tankerton) having virtually zero cases. There has been far more people out though and a lot more traffic than in the first lockdown, however the schools and local University were closed. There was a spike in cases when students were allowed back in the University. The pattern would suggest that its clearly attending education institutions thats driving the spread. Going back to school on 8th March is going to see a spike thats why the next stage of step 1 on the 29th March is 3 weeks after. When schools going back goes wrong outdoor gatherings will be cancelled." Your right, school kids and students are super spreaders. They mix at school, university etc then take the virus back to there homes | |||
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"The Canterbury area has seen a dramatic decline in Covid cases with some areas within (Chestfield and South Tankerton) having virtually zero cases. There has been far more people out though and a lot more traffic than in the first lockdown, however the schools and local University were closed. There was a spike in cases when students were allowed back in the University. The pattern would suggest that its clearly attending education institutions thats driving the spread. Going back to school on 8th March is going to see a spike thats why the next stage of step 1 on the 29th March is 3 weeks after. When schools going back goes wrong outdoor gatherings will be cancelled." Not sure you can draw that conclusion for an entire nation based on what's happened in one small area. Nor compare what happened 6 months ago into autumn with what will happen. Going into spring with schools better equipped. Its not really a big bang for schools either. Given most schools have been running at 50 % or more capacity throughout. None the less I don't disagree we will see an increase in ignoring of the guidelines as people increasingly believe they are allowed to do what they wish. False confidence from increasing percentage being vaccinated. Infection levels are still way too high to be making big gesture opening up of whole sectors. BUT the infection rate reductions have slowed down markedly and I think its about law of diminishing returns. | |||
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"Already getting messages of “lockdown is over, we can now meet”" Oh lord | |||
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"Deaths are going to rise pretty soon with the government decision to open up knowing that their will be more deaths UK has the most deaths global and by Boris well reach 200.000 or even close to 4, 500.000" Even after so many vaccinations ? | |||
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"Deaths are going to rise pretty soon with the government decision to open up knowing that their will be more deaths UK has the most deaths global and by Boris well reach 200.000 or even close to 4, 500.000 Even after so many vaccinations ?" I believe it's the case that new variants have seen a rise in hospitalisations in younger people. I hope things will get better. I desperately do. | |||
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" Just saw a group of 7 elderly walkers out just now for example. " They will all have had one or even both vaccinations | |||
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"Deaths are going to rise pretty soon with the government decision to open up knowing that their will be more deaths UK has the most deaths global and by Boris well reach 200.000 or even close to 4, 500.000 Even after so many vaccinations ? I believe it's the case that new variants have seen a rise in hospitalisations in younger people. I hope things will get better. I desperately do. " Yes it has however From something I saw a few days ago 93% of those who are 16 to 65 that have been hospitalised have had one of the conditions or risk factors that would have put them in group 6 for the vaccine. So hopefully with that group now being focused on we shouldn't see the same number of hospital Admissions even if we do have a spike i cases. | |||
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"Deaths are going to rise pretty soon with the government decision to open up knowing that their will be more deaths UK has the most deaths global and by Boris well reach 200.000 or even close to 4, 500.000 Even after so many vaccinations ? I believe it's the case that new variants have seen a rise in hospitalisations in younger people. I hope things will get better. I desperately do. Yes it has however From something I saw a few days ago 93% of those who are 16 to 65 that have been hospitalised have had one of the conditions or risk factors that would have put them in group 6 for the vaccine. So hopefully with that group now being focused on we shouldn't see the same number of hospital Admissions even if we do have a spike i cases." I hope so. But I'm living by "let's not screw this up"  | |||
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"But I'm living by "let's not screw this up" "This is the general public you’re on about.. they’re going to try their best to. | |||
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"But I'm living by "let's not screw this up"
This is the general public you’re on about.. they’re going to try their best to. "Lol I can control myself. I'm going to do my bit to not screw it up. Still grounded. | |||
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"But I'm living by "let's not screw this up"
This is the general public you’re on about.. they’re going to try their best to.
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I can control myself. I'm going to do my bit to not screw it up.
Still grounded."I’ve shielded for almost a year. I’ll just sit back and watch. | |||
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"Already getting messages of “lockdown is over, we can now meet”" That'll be Boris sending them. | |||
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"But I'm living by "let's not screw this up"
This is the general public you’re on about.. they’re going to try their best to.
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I can control myself. I'm going to do my bit to not screw it up.
Still grounded.
I’ve shielded for almost a year. I’ll just sit back and watch. "I get it. I've taken a policy, throughout, of wait 6-8 weeks after relaxation to relax myself | |||
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"Deaths are going to rise pretty soon with the government decision to open up knowing that their will be more deaths UK has the most deaths global and by Boris well reach 200.000 or even close to 4, 500.000 Even after so many vaccinations ? I believe it's the case that new variants have seen a rise in hospitalisations in younger people. I hope things will get better. I desperately do. " Well it might be that as the older have been vaccinated and the vaccine is working and stopping olders being hospitalised. And as the younger haven't been vaccinated yet... Its just the sliding scale has moved towards those unvaccinated? | |||
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"Deaths are going to rise pretty soon with the government decision to open up knowing that their will be more deaths UK has the most deaths global and by Boris well reach 200.000 or even close to 4, 500.000" . To say that deaths are going to rise soon, surely ignores the obvious fact that virtually all the “at risk” groups will have been vaccinated. Don’t forget that in excess of 98% of deaths have occured in the over 50 age bracket which eill oretty soon all have been vaccinated. | |||
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"Deaths are going to rise pretty soon with the government decision to open up knowing that their will be more deaths UK has the most deaths global and by Boris well reach 200.000 or even close to 4, 500.000. To say that deaths are going to rise soon, surely ignores the obvious fact that virtually all the “at risk” groups will have been vaccinated. Don’t forget that in excess of 98% of deaths have occured in the over 50 age bracket which eill oretty soon all have been vaccinated. " Just to be the jonah... Infections rates have increased today... Higher than yesterday... Higher than 7 days ago... So by any way you measure it.. An increase... Let's hope its just a blip. | |||
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"Deaths are going to rise pretty soon with the government decision to open up knowing that their will be more deaths UK has the most deaths global and by Boris well reach 200.000 or even close to 4, 500.000. To say that deaths are going to rise soon, surely ignores the obvious fact that virtually all the “at risk” groups will have been vaccinated. Don’t forget that in excess of 98% of deaths have occured in the over 50 age bracket which eill oretty soon all have been vaccinated. Just to be the jonah... Infections rates have increased today... Higher than yesterday... Higher than 7 days ago... So by any way you measure it.. An increase... Let's hope its just a blip. " And death is still not the only bad outcome here. As most of us know. | |||
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"When all the over 50s are vaccinated lockdown should totally end in our opinion " It would lead to many more deaths, as the government has modelled, to follow that blinkered approach | |||
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"Deaths are going to rise pretty soon with the government decision to open up knowing that their will be more deaths UK has the most deaths global and by Boris well reach 200.000 or even close to 4, 500.000. To say that deaths are going to rise soon, surely ignores the obvious fact that virtually all the “at risk” groups will have been vaccinated. Don’t forget that in excess of 98% of deaths have occured in the over 50 age bracket which eill oretty soon all have been vaccinated. Just to be the jonah... Infections rates have increased today... Higher than yesterday... Higher than 7 days ago... So by any way you measure it.. An increase... Let's hope its just a blip. " Monday’s always a blip | |||
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"Deaths are going to rise pretty soon with the government decision to open up knowing that their will be more deaths UK has the most deaths global and by Boris well reach 200.000 or even close to 4, 500.000. To say that deaths are going to rise soon, surely ignores the obvious fact that virtually all the “at risk” groups will have been vaccinated. Don’t forget that in excess of 98% of deaths have occured in the over 50 age bracket which eill oretty soon all have been vaccinated. Just to be the jonah... Infections rates have increased today... Higher than yesterday... Higher than 7 days ago... So by any way you measure it.. An increase... Let's hope its just a blip. Monday’s always a blip" Exactly... So that's why when you Compare Mondays the trend has been down for a few months. This Monday it is higher than last Monday by 10 percent. It is also higher than yesterday. | |||
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"Deaths are going to rise pretty soon with the government decision to open up knowing that their will be more deaths UK has the most deaths global and by Boris well reach 200.000 or even close to 4, 500.000. To say that deaths are going to rise soon, surely ignores the obvious fact that virtually all the “at risk” groups will have been vaccinated. Don’t forget that in excess of 98% of deaths have occured in the over 50 age bracket which eill oretty soon all have been vaccinated. Just to be the jonah... Infections rates have increased today... Higher than yesterday... Higher than 7 days ago... So by any way you measure it.. An increase... Let's hope its just a blip. Monday’s always a blip Exactly... So that's why when you Compare Mondays the trend has been down for a few months. This Monday it is higher than last Monday by 10 percent. It is also higher than yesterday. " It's concerning | |||
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"this is just a garbage post. the rates relevant ie hospitalization and deaths have decreased dramatically with the impact of the vaccines. it has never been about breaking the rules. the infection rate soared out of control when schools and universities opened together with the "eat out to help out"." Not true. I'm a data nerd. When the restaurants and cafes in Scotland were shut, there was no discernible difference in the rate of increase, same for when they closed schools. Restaurants and schools were places with control. Restaurants had to be booked, you had to wear a mask when not at your table, the tables were disinfected, menus disposable, you had to track & trace. Of course there was a risk of infection but that risk was low. Same for schools. There have been very few cases at my kids school again because there are controls - compulsory sanitising, track & trace, slightest hint at a symptom and you were sent home. It is worse for kids to NOT be at school - I see them on the streets meeting with no controls. Peak cases in Scotland were 5 days after hogmanay. (symptoms appear a mean of 5 days after infection) Schools and restaurants were shut so it can be assumed it was people having parties. They even had an old guy in hospital with covid on the news saying he had been to see his neighbours on hogmanay! Even universities clearly prove what I say - surely you saw the news articles about student parties etc? Had they just obeyed the rules we wouldn't be in this shit. The government(s) biggest failing has been not to enforce lockdown. | |||
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"When all the over 50s are vaccinated lockdown should totally end in our opinion " I agree. Would even say before that. Even ignoring clinically vulnerable, the over 50's make up 98% of the deaths. If you are under 65 and have no underlying conditions you are statistically more likely to die in a car accident than you are to die of covid. | |||
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" I think Boris was wrong in putting dates against the later reopenings of pubs, leisure centres etc " I think people need dates to look forward to. Very hard just to think we are carrying on in lockdown indefinitely | |||
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" your chances of catching it outside are very very low indeed 7 people walking is not the same as 7 people stuffed up the frozen food aisle " Agreed, but that isn't the point I am making. The rules say only meet one other person outside. These 7 people were breaking that rule. I gave it as an example that I had literally just seen. I could list hundreds if not thousands of others since the start of covid. Wholesale rulebreaking is the main reason we have so many deaths and hospitalisations. | |||
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" Just saw a group of 7 elderly walkers out just now for example. They will all have had one or even both vaccinations" Indeed, but that only gives them ~90% protection. That message hasn't got through and we will needlessly have hospital admissions because these people and countless others just can't obey the rules. | |||
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" your chances of catching it outside are very very low indeed 7 people walking is not the same as 7 people stuffed up the frozen food aisle Agreed, but that isn't the point I am making. The rules say only meet one other person outside. These 7 people were breaking that rule. I gave it as an example that I had literally just seen. I could list hundreds if not thousands of others since the start of covid. Wholesale rulebreaking is the main reason we have so many deaths and hospitalisations." I partially agree. I think it's hard to say one thing only caused it. I suspect it is many different things. Rule breaking certainly is one of them... After all the virus doesn't move itself it is moved by people and infection spread by people. Crowds will have contributed.... Shoppers and so on will have contributed... Workers not distancing or sanitising... One things for sure... We are the ones who pass it from person to person. It seems even a year into this that simple concept is not universally understood. | |||
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"Deaths are going to rise pretty soon with the government decision to open up knowing that their will be more deaths UK has the most deaths global and by Boris well reach 200.000 or even close to 4, 500.000. To say that deaths are going to rise soon, surely ignores the obvious fact that virtually all the “at risk” groups will have been vaccinated. Don’t forget that in excess of 98% of deaths have occured in the over 50 age bracket which eill oretty soon all have been vaccinated. " ^ this. | |||
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"Deaths are going to rise pretty soon with the government decision to open up knowing that their will be more deaths UK has the most deaths global and by Boris well reach 200.000 or even close to 4, 500.000. To say that deaths are going to rise soon, surely ignores the obvious fact that virtually all the “at risk” groups will have been vaccinated. Don’t forget that in excess of 98% of deaths have occured in the over 50 age bracket which eill oretty soon all have been vaccinated. ^ this." Don't forget its not just covid deaths... There are the consequences of our response to covid leading to missed treatments and then there is long covid to consider. Rampant infection rates are very significant. Not leat they provide a host for the virus to mutate and put the vaccine at risk. | |||
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" Just saw a group of 7 elderly walkers out just now for example. They will all have had one or even both vaccinations Indeed, but that only gives them ~90% protection. That message hasn't got through and we will needlessly have hospital admissions because these people and countless others just can't obey the rules." oh gies peace! The rules are a farce. Do this,don't do this. Can meet 6 people,can only meet 1 person. Go to school,don't go to school. Literally flailing from one disaster to another. First lockdown was 3 weeks and this latest one is 10 weeks and counting. Any way you dice the stats, the 75 and over age bracket were the most vulnerable. They've been vaccinated. All this "protect the NHS" nonsense. What happened to the SECC when it was converted to a field hospital? Never used. These places could have been designated COVID-19 hospitals to take the pressure off the actual hospitals so that cancer patients could have been treated with less risk,operations could have went ahead that saved lives etc but no,they had to jam as many as possible into hospitals. Until the rest of the world catches up to where we are in vaccinations then new variants are always going to be a risk so unless they ban international travel we're going to have to live with the risk. | |||
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"You would swear that lockdown has ended given the hordes of people all meeting up and doing stuff. Just saw a group of 7 elderly walkers out just now for example. The number of cases in Scotland was going down great but has stalled for the last 10 days. There have been no changes in policy so the only reason can be people not obeying the rules. I do hope this sort of selfish activity isn't going to stall ending lockdown. I've long maintained that it is those breaking lockdown (either deliberately or through ignorance) that have caused the problems. It's nothing to do with government, it's to do with a huge section of the population disobeying rules and is the reason that countries such as Singapore are doing so well." One additional thought here. I'm intrigued by people's prejudices in these posts. 7 elders gathered and out for a walk... Replace that with 7 teenagers gathered kicking a can around.. Replace that with 7 uni students (how you id them as uni students no idea).. Stood together outside a kebab van Replace that with 7 shoppers queueing to get out of the coffee shop Replace that with 7 workers in a sweat shop in Leicester or wherever making essential clothing.. Sake of argument PPE. And so on Replace that with 7 brides looking for... | |||
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"You would swear that lockdown has ended given the hordes of people all meeting up and doing stuff. Just saw a group of 7 elderly walkers out just now for example. The number of cases in Scotland was going down great but has stalled for the last 10 days. There have been no changes in policy so the only reason can be people not obeying the rules. I do hope this sort of selfish activity isn't going to stall ending lockdown. I've long maintained that it is those breaking lockdown (either deliberately or through ignorance) that have caused the problems. It's nothing to do with government, it's to do with a huge section of the population disobeying rules and is the reason that countries such as Singapore are doing so well. One additional thought here. I'm intrigued by people's prejudices in these posts. 7 elders gathered and out for a walk... Replace that with 7 teenagers gathered kicking a can around.. Replace that with 7 uni students (how you id them as uni students no idea).. Stood together outside a kebab van Replace that with 7 shoppers queueing to get out of the coffee shop Replace that with 7 workers in a sweat shop in Leicester or wherever making essential clothing.. Sake of argument PPE. And so on Replace that with 7 brides looking for... " I didn't think it was prejudiced at all? Was just a description. | |||
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"You would swear that lockdown has ended given the hordes of people all meeting up and doing stuff. Just saw a group of 7 elderly walkers out just now for example. The number of cases in Scotland was going down great but has stalled for the last 10 days. There have been no changes in policy so the only reason can be people not obeying the rules. I do hope this sort of selfish activity isn't going to stall ending lockdown. I've long maintained that it is those breaking lockdown (either deliberately or through ignorance) that have caused the problems. It's nothing to do with government, it's to do with a huge section of the population disobeying rules and is the reason that countries such as Singapore are doing so well. One additional thought here. I'm intrigued by people's prejudices in these posts. 7 elders gathered and out for a walk... Replace that with 7 teenagers gathered kicking a can around.. Replace that with 7 uni students (how you id them as uni students no idea).. Stood together outside a kebab van Replace that with 7 shoppers queueing to get out of the coffee shop Replace that with 7 workers in a sweat shop in Leicester or wherever making essential clothing.. Sake of argument PPE. And so on Replace that with 7 brides looking for... I didn't think it was prejudiced at all? Was just a description. " Apologies if misunderstood. No I m not saying the ops post was prejudiced. I'm saying that we / I go.. Oh they're oldies so they are OK... Whereas had it been a different demographic we wod react different in some cases.... Or perhaps its just me.. | |||
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"You would swear that lockdown has ended given the hordes of people all meeting up and doing stuff. Just saw a group of 7 elderly walkers out just now for example. The number of cases in Scotland was going down great but has stalled for the last 10 days. There have been no changes in policy so the only reason can be people not obeying the rules. I do hope this sort of selfish activity isn't going to stall ending lockdown. I've long maintained that it is those breaking lockdown (either deliberately or through ignorance) that have caused the problems. It's nothing to do with government, it's to do with a huge section of the population disobeying rules and is the reason that countries such as Singapore are doing so well. One additional thought here. I'm intrigued by people's prejudices in these posts. 7 elders gathered and out for a walk... Replace that with 7 teenagers gathered kicking a can around.. Replace that with 7 uni students (how you id them as uni students no idea).. Stood together outside a kebab van Replace that with 7 shoppers queueing to get out of the coffee shop Replace that with 7 workers in a sweat shop in Leicester or wherever making essential clothing.. Sake of argument PPE. And so on Replace that with 7 brides looking for... I didn't think it was prejudiced at all? Was just a description. Apologies if misunderstood. No I m not saying the ops post was prejudiced. I'm saying that we / I go.. Oh they're oldies so they are OK... Whereas had it been a different demographic we wod react different in some cases.... Or perhaps its just me.. " Yep. Just you. | |||
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"Not bad considering the highest rates are in children under 18 at the moment, still lots of kids in schools, whose parents are out working! But Boris thinks it's right teachers should wait there turn for vaccination an send our kids bk to school in most cases in a classroom of 40 kids, thats 80 parents all could be out working, an the spread goes on, my daughter could of gone bk to school yesterday but I've chose for her to carry on learning at home!" Where do you get 40 kids in a classroom? And where do get your info on under 18s being the highest rate of infection at the moment? | |||
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"Not bad considering the highest rates are in children under 18 at the moment, still lots of kids in schools, whose parents are out working! But Boris thinks it's right teachers should wait there turn for vaccination an send our kids bk to school in most cases in a classroom of 40 kids, thats 80 parents all could be out working, an the spread goes on, my daughter could of gone bk to school yesterday but I've chose for her to carry on learning at home! Where do you get 40 kids in a classroom? And where do get your info on under 18s being the highest rate of infection at the moment? " Exactly. And even if it were correct, who cares? The under 18s are extremely unlikely to die. As for teachers - statistically, if you are of working age and not clinically vulnerable you have more chance of dying crossing the road. This is about protecting the NHS and preventing deaths and vaccinating the vulnerable before teachers does that. Agreed that teachers, police and others should be after that. I am happy to be bottom of the pile. | |||
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"When all the over 50s are vaccinated lockdown should totally end in our opinion . Totally agree" Why over 50s? Do the under 50s not spread it then? | |||
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