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"Yes it's great isn't it! I've now been 3 times, with family members, to the vaccination centre, and each time they've been more organised and faster, with dealing with us, it's like they're on a mission, I guess they are. They are brilliant! "Likewise, I've been so impressed with the military like precision and organisation behind these centres. For once we done Boris | |||
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"I meant well done Boris "Not well done NHS ? | |||
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"Yes, all hail our amazing NHS. But we still need greater uptake of the offer for increased herd immunity. Too many people have been taken in my conspiracy theories or for whatever reason, are cautious." To be fair the uptake on the whole isn't too bad. I think a lot of people that initially refused have now started to accept the offer. Some people will not have it regardless but I think the vast majority that have said no are just a little bit reluctant and need some reassurance. | |||
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" I can't understand why they are forcing people to take this life saving vaccine . Taking the vaccine should protect the user from someone who hasn't been vaccinated. If not why are people taking the vaccine if offers no protection. From a virus that is ineffective against 98% of the world's population ! ?? " Who's being forced? Also it is looking increasingly likely but it does prevent spread to some extend at least. | |||
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" I can't understand why they are forcing people to take this life saving vaccine . Taking the vaccine should protect the user from someone who hasn't been vaccinated. If not why are people taking the vaccine if offers no protection. From a virus that is ineffective against 98% of the world's population ! ?? " Have you been in a coma for just over a year?  | |||
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"I meant well done Boris
Not well done NHS ?"The reason this is going smoothly is that the NHS are doing it and not one of Boris's cronies | |||
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"Yes, all hail our amazing NHS. But we still need greater uptake of the offer for increased herd immunity. Too many people have been taken in my conspiracy theories or for whatever reason, are cautious. To be fair the uptake on the whole isn't too bad. I think a lot of people that initially refused have now started to accept the offer. Some people will not have it regardless but I think the vast majority that have said no are just a little bit reluctant and need some reassurance." Older people, kind of Boomer plus are generally less vehemently against. From what I see, it's the 50-70 ish age group that are most reluctant and unless clinically vulnerable or carers/frontline workers, they're unlikely to have been offered the vaccine just yet. Some of the reasons I've seen are plain ridiculous and show a complete lack of basic understanding. I saw one woman say that she doesn't take paracetamol in case she gets a headache so won't be taking the vaccine on that same principle *face palm* | |||
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"I meant well done Boris
Not well done NHS ?
The reason this is going smoothly is that the NHS are doing it and not one of Boris's cronies"Exactly | |||
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"Over 70s injected can you meet them hug them NO When vaccinated can you catch the virus Yes Can you spread the virus YES Can you die from the virus YES Someone tell me why everyone's get the vaccine ?????" This is why https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-risk-of-illness-drops-95-8-after-second-pfizer-vaccine-dose-israel-says-12224403 | |||
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"Over 70s injected can you meet them hug them NO When vaccinated can you catch the virus Yes Can you spread the virus YES Can you die from the virus YES Someone tell me why everyone's get the vaccine ????? This is why https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-risk-of-illness-drops-95-8-after-second-pfizer-vaccine-dose-israel-says-12224403" The vaccine is the difference between 0% protection and high 90% protection | |||
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"Yes, all hail our amazing NHS. But we still need greater uptake of the offer for increased herd immunity. Too many people have been taken in my conspiracy theories or for whatever reason, are cautious. To be fair the uptake on the whole isn't too bad. I think a lot of people that initially refused have now started to accept the offer. Some people will not have it regardless but I think the vast majority that have said no are just a little bit reluctant and need some reassurance. Older people, kind of Boomer plus are generally less vehemently against. From what I see, it's the 50-70 ish age group that are most reluctant and unless clinically vulnerable or carers/frontline workers, they're unlikely to have been offered the vaccine just yet. Some of the reasons I've seen are plain ridiculous and show a complete lack of basic understanding. I saw one woman say that she doesn't take paracetamol in case she gets a headache so won't be taking the vaccine on that same principle *face palm*" Most over sixties are now being offered the vaccine and my understanding is the uptake is really high. | |||
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"I meant well done Boris "Fuck all to do with that knob. Please don’t let the 120000 deaths be forgotten due to the fact that the NHS and vaccine industry have got this right. | |||
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"Over 70s injected can you meet them hug them NO When vaccinated can you catch the virus Yes Can you spread the virus YES Can you die from the virus YES Someone tell me why everyone's get the vaccine ?????" You won’t die and you won’t kill anyone ... | |||
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"Yes, all hail our amazing NHS. But we still need greater uptake of the offer for increased herd immunity. Too many people have been taken in my conspiracy theories or for whatever reason, are cautious. To be fair the uptake on the whole isn't too bad. I think a lot of people that initially refused have now started to accept the offer. Some people will not have it regardless but I think the vast majority that have said no are just a little bit reluctant and need some reassurance." Totally agree I know about ten people in 60s abs 70s that were unsure but have since had the vaccine. I’m getting mine Tuesday (unpaid carer) ... wish all my teacher colleagues could get theirs too. | |||
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"Yes, all hail our amazing NHS. But we still need greater uptake of the offer for increased herd immunity. Too many people have been taken in my conspiracy theories or for whatever reason, are cautious. To be fair the uptake on the whole isn't too bad. I think a lot of people that initially refused have now started to accept the offer. Some people will not have it regardless but I think the vast majority that have said no are just a little bit reluctant and need some reassurance. Older people, kind of Boomer plus are generally less vehemently against. From what I see, it's the 50-70 ish age group that are most reluctant and unless clinically vulnerable or carers/frontline workers, they're unlikely to have been offered the vaccine just yet. Some of the reasons I've seen are plain ridiculous and show a complete lack of basic understanding. I saw one woman say that she doesn't take paracetamol in case she gets a headache so won't be taking the vaccine on that same principle *face palm*" Wait till we get to the 20-30s turn ... some display arrogance of youth believing they’re invincible | |||
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" I can't understand why they are forcing people to take this life saving vaccine . Taking the vaccine should protect the user from someone who hasn't been vaccinated. If not why are people taking the vaccine if offers no protection. From a virus that is ineffective against 98% of the world's population ! ?? " 1. Nobody is being forced 2. it is proved to reduce life threatening symptoms - that is protection 3. the immunity of the herd is required to protect that 2% you think are only at risk (in reality many more are at risk of long term health effects and the negative side effects of continued lockdowns if we can’t get herd immunity) 4. the testing phase was not long enough to guarantee it prevents against infection at all , we only had time to say it was effective in reducing symptoms, however evidence from ongoing testing is now leaning towards it also providing protection against infection thank you for coming to my TED talk  | |||
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"Over 70s injected can you meet them hug them NO When vaccinated can you catch the virus Yes Can you spread the virus YES Can you die from the virus YES Someone tell me why everyone's get the vaccine ????? You won’t die and you won’t kill anyone ... " please turn off the tv and do some research | |||
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"Over 70s injected can you meet them hug them NO When vaccinated can you catch the virus Yes Can you spread the virus YES Can you die from the virus YES Someone tell me why everyone's get the vaccine ?????" Do you as an adult really need this explaining to you....
I cant actually be bothered to say that all those questions have been answered many times... and actually your answers to those questions are mostly outdated or totally wrong.
Just get your vaccine and do your bit... thankfully the thousands coming through each day at the Derby Arena show that most people are taking this seriously.
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"I refuse to be an adult by July....adulting sucks ??" I know the feeling... I have to be all grown up for the 8 hours a day that I'm in work... Thank goodness I only work 3 days a week | |||
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"Over 70s injected can you meet them hug them NO " My 83 year old mum had her second Pfizer vaccination 10 Jan. Yesterday her grandson went to visit. She asked if she could touch his hand. Instead her gave her a big hug. She was so happy. | |||
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"I refuse to be an adult by July....adulting sucks ?? I know the feeling... I have to be all grown up for the 8 hours a day that I'm in work... Thank goodness I only work 3 days a week "I really thought my lighthearted moment was going to pass everyone by...thanks for restoring my faith  | |||
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"I refuse to be an adult by July....adulting sucks ??" hahaha your echoing my Facebook page today | |||
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"I refuse to be an adult by July....adulting sucks ?? hahaha your echoing my Facebook page today "I'd noticed. | |||
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"I meant well done Boris
Fuck all to do with that knob. Please don’t let the 120000 deaths be forgotten due to the fact that the NHS and vaccine industry have got this right. "while i don’t think the glory of this should be laid at one mans door isn’t it funny that we will lay the deaths at it happily? there are a multitude of reasons and people responsible for both our successes and our failures | |||
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"Big difference between being "offered" the vaccine and actual implimentation/take up. Let's see where we are at the end of July. " I'm glad the infrastructure exists. Well done the scientists, NHS, volunteers, and armed forces. Now it's up to us to roll up our sleeves. | |||
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"Had mine yesterday, a bit of a rough night last night and a little below par today but still great that I've been given it. Also received my NHS Volunteer Responder hi-viz vest yesterday so now I'm good to go; just waiting to be tasked now on the Good Sam App." I got my vest 6 weeks ago. Been checking Good Sam the whole time - so far nothing! Which is good news- maybe a surplus of volunteers adding to the amazing NHS and other care workers taking part in a quite incredible peace time operation made possible by Boris's early investment and procurement of a number of different vaccines . | |||
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"Over 70s injected can you meet them hug them NO When vaccinated can you catch the virus Yes Can you spread the virus YES Can you die from the virus YES Someone tell me why everyone's get the vaccine ?????" Some questions leave you wondering if it's worth the use of time and breath responding  | |||
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" I can't understand why they are forcing people to take this life saving vaccine . Taking the vaccine should protect the user from someone who hasn't been vaccinated. If not why are people taking the vaccine if offers no protection. From a virus that is ineffective against 98% of the world's population ! ?? " ?????? Forcing people to take a vaccine???? You have a choice. If you chose not to have it dnt expect any sympathy when you get it and should not be treated. Simple really dnt you think. Have it and it may save your life. Dnt have it and you may get COVID and possibly not survive. Life is full of choices | |||
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"Over 70s injected can you meet them hug them NO When vaccinated can you catch the virus Yes Can you spread the virus YES Can you die from the virus YES Someone tell me why everyone's get the vaccine ?????" Oh dear | |||
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"Over 70s injected can you meet them hug them NO My 83 year old mum had her second Pfizer vaccination 10 Jan. Yesterday her grandson went to visit. She asked if she could touch his hand. Instead her gave her a big hug. She was so happy. " Without doubt, this will be the most uplifting post today. How lovely. | |||
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" I can't understand why they are forcing people to take this life saving vaccine . Taking the vaccine should protect the user from someone who hasn't been vaccinated. If not why are people taking the vaccine if offers no protection. From a virus that is ineffective against 98% of the world's population ! ?? 1. Nobody is being forced 2. it is proved to reduce life threatening symptoms - that is protection 3. the immunity of the herd is required to protect that 2% you think are only at risk (in reality many more are at risk of long term health effects and the negative side effects of continued lockdowns if we can’t get herd immunity) 4. the testing phase was not long enough to guarantee it prevents against infection at all , we only had time to say it was effective in reducing symptoms, however evidence from ongoing testing is now leaning towards it also providing protection against infection thank you for coming to my TED talk " | |||
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"I think the military personnel who have been deployed to help out should get a mention too." For info ... the Brigadier leading the military effort (the one on Downing St briefings) was awarded a CBE in the New Years Honours List. I understand he also the military effort to the PPE issue earlier. R x | |||
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"Over 70s injected can you meet them hug them NO When vaccinated can you catch the virus Yes Can you spread the virus YES Can you die from the virus YES Someone tell me why everyone's get the vaccine ?????" . If you can’t work it out for yourself | |||
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"Over 70s injected can you meet them hug them NO My 83 year old mum had her second Pfizer vaccination 10 Jan. Yesterday her grandson went to visit. She asked if she could touch his hand. Instead her gave her a big hug. She was so happy. " That really is lovely. All the adult members of my and Ash's family have either had the vaccine or in the 9 priority groups. | |||
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"Over 70s injected can you meet them hug them NO When vaccinated can you catch the virus Yes Can you spread the virus YES Can you die from the virus YES Someone tell me why everyone's get the vaccine ?????" Because when most people do have the vaccine the whole situation it will change obviously. It really is a numbers game. You can never totally irradicate the chance of getting it or dying but it improves the odds significantly. | |||
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"I think the military personnel who have been deployed to help out should get a mention too."
It's massive though. Not just the people jabbing. Admin staff contacting people, volunteers doing taxi services to get people there. Drivers delivering the vaccines. People making them coffee. People making the signs that signpost where to go. The cleaners. Massive organisation. | |||
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"I think the military personnel who have been deployed to help out should get a mention too.
It's massive though. Not just the people jabbing. Admin staff contacting people, volunteers doing taxi services to get people there. Drivers delivering the vaccines. People making them coffee. People making the signs that signpost where to go. The cleaners. Massive organisation. "Agreed. Amazing collaboration across many organisations | |||
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"I meant well done Boris "Yes it is well done Boris. He was the one to pre order all of these vaccines before the majority of everyone else did and why we are not lagging behind like lots of other countries and are able to donate them.... Everyone needs to take responsibility for the failures, not just blame Boris all the time... | |||
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"I meant well done Boris
Yes it is well done Boris.
He was the one to pre order all of these vaccines before the majority of everyone else did and why we are not lagging behind like lots of other countries and are able to donate them....
Everyone needs to take responsibility for the failures, not just blame Boris all the time...
"in the same way that there is shared responsibility for the failures, one man is not responsible for the vaccine success | |||
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"I meant well done Boris
Fuck all to do with that knob. Please don’t let the 120000 deaths be forgotten due to the fact that the NHS and vaccine industry have got this right. "I don't think anyone will forget the sadness behind all this nor the inadequacies of a poor leadership. However has he played a part in the collaboration and roll out of course he has. His approach at times as been nothing short of catastrophic. I get that. So for those of you to jump on every word or shall I say the lack of.... Of course its a massive welll done to the NHS, the volunteers and anyone else who has played a part in mobilising the vaccination efforts | |||
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"I meant well done Boris
Yes it is well done Boris.
He was the one to pre order all of these vaccines before the majority of everyone else did and why we are not lagging behind like lots of other countries and are able to donate them....
Everyone needs to take responsibility for the failures, not just blame Boris all the time...
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"I meant well done Boris
Yes it is well done Boris.
He was the one to pre order all of these vaccines before the majority of everyone else did and why we are not lagging behind like lots of other countries and are able to donate them....
Everyone needs to take responsibility for the failures, not just blame Boris all the time...
"I've been taking responsibility for myself this whole time. It's about time we start actually holding the buffoons in charge to account. | |||
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"Big difference between being "offered" the vaccine and actual implimentation/take up. Let's see where we are at the end of July. I'm glad the infrastructure exists. Well done the scientists, NHS, volunteers, and armed forces. Now it's up to us to roll up our sleeves." What a difference it makes when you leave it upto the professionls and not some cowboy mates of boris. | |||
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"Big difference between being "offered" the vaccine and actual implimentation/take up. Let's see where we are at the end of July. I'm glad the infrastructure exists. Well done the scientists, NHS, volunteers, and armed forces. Now it's up to us to roll up our sleeves. What a difference it makes when you leave it upto the professionls and not some cowboy mates of boris." Yup | |||
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"Over 70s injected can you meet them hug them NO When vaccinated can you catch the virus Yes Can you spread the virus YES Can you die from the virus YES Someone tell me why everyone's get the vaccine ?????" . Er because it massively reduces the likelihood of these things happening. My guess is everyone other than yourself can see that. | |||
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"I meant well done Boris
Yes it is well done Boris.
He was the one to pre order all of these vaccines before the majority of everyone else did and why we are not lagging behind like lots of other countries and are able to donate them....
Everyone needs to take responsibility for the failures, not just blame Boris all the time...
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"I meant well done Boris
Yes it is well done Boris.
He was the one to pre order all of these vaccines before the majority of everyone else did and why we are not lagging behind like lots of other countries and are able to donate them....
Everyone needs to take responsibility for the failures, not just blame Boris all the time...
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"Over 70s injected can you meet them hug them NO When vaccinated can you catch the virus Yes Can you spread the virus YES Can you die from the virus YES Someone tell me why everyone's get the vaccine ?????" Facepalm. Because like with any vaccine, after being vaccinated the likelihood of catching, spreading or dying from existing strains of cov19 is greatly reduced, in this case by around 98%. | |||
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"Over 70s injected can you meet them hug them NO When vaccinated can you catch the virus Yes Can you spread the virus YES Can you die from the virus YES Someone tell me why everyone's get the vaccine ????? Some questions leave you wondering if it's worth the use of time and breath responding "One has to try, but there is no cure for stupid | |||
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"Over 70s injected can you meet them hug them NO When vaccinated can you catch the virus Yes Can you spread the virus YES Can you die from the virus YES Someone tell me why everyone's get the vaccine ????? " Herd immunity hasn't been reached and most have only had half of the vaccine. So no hugging (particularly from those of us completely unvaccinated). Yes, but it's limited, particularly after the second dose Yes, but it's likely limited based on new data, particularly after the second dose Exceptionally unlikely, particularly if you wait for the full immune response to mount ... It seems really bloody obvious to me. | |||
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"I think the military personnel who have been deployed to help out should get a mention too." This, my best friend is one of them x | |||
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"I meant well done Boris
Yes it is well done Boris.
He was the one to pre order all of these vaccines before the majority of everyone else did and why we are not lagging behind like lots of other countries and are able to donate them....
Everyone needs to take responsibility for the failures, not just blame Boris all the time...
I've been taking responsibility for myself this whole time.
It's about time we start actually holding the buffoons in charge to account. "This | |||
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"Over 70s injected can you meet them hug them NO When vaccinated can you catch the virus Yes Can you spread the virus YES Can you die from the virus YES Someone tell me why everyone's get the vaccine ????? You won’t die and you won’t kill anyone ... please turn off the tv and do some research " Oh dear. I suggest you stop watching YouTube and dodgy websites while doing your 'research'. | |||
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"Over 70s injected can you meet them hug them NO When vaccinated can you catch the virus Yes Can you spread the virus YES Can you die from the virus YES Someone tell me why everyone's get the vaccine ?????" I get what your saying but dose drink driving kill NO But it can increase the risk of an accident And that is why most people now don't Drink and dive. To be the vaccine is the same it just reduces the risk to me and hopefully others Mabe you should start crossing roads with a blind fold on you will be fine | |||
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"I meant well done Boris "He deserves none of the credit. I grudgingly admit that Matt Hancock, for whom I have no time, did well ordering so many doses of the vaccines, but the implementation is down to the NHS. The one thing that's actually worked in all this, and it wasn't contracts for their mates. Just fancy that. | |||
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"Well done Boris my arse ! Yet again building up expectations with massaged figures. The number of vaccinations offered has no relation to how many have been given. I was invited almost a week ago and despite multiple daily attempts still can't book a slot. I can offer you a million quid but if you can't collect it you won't be a millionaire! "The numbers published are the numbers of vaccines given not the offers. | |||
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"Well done Boris my arse ! Yet again building up expectations with massaged figures. The number of vaccinations offered has no relation to how many have been given. I was invited almost a week ago and despite multiple daily attempts still can't book a slot. I can offer you a million quid but if you can't collect it you won't be a millionaire! "I find that hard to believe, given that you put in your personal details and it gives you a selection of nearby places vaccinating. This is followed by a list of future dates for you to choose a suitable one? | |||
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"I meant well done Boris
Yes it is well done Boris.
He was the one to pre order all of these vaccines before the majority of everyone else did and why we are not lagging behind like lots of other countries and are able to donate them....
Everyone needs to take responsibility for the failures, not just blame Boris all the time...
I've been taking responsibility for myself this whole time.
It's about time we start actually holding the buffoons in charge to account. "I agree there are answers that are needed and whether we will get them only time will tell. But there are plenty of buffoons to choose from which have made mistakes and each have had their parts to play. We are in this together and need to come through it together. | |||
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"I meant well done Boris
Yes it is well done Boris.
He was the one to pre order all of these vaccines before the majority of everyone else did and why we are not lagging behind like lots of other countries and are able to donate them....
Everyone needs to take responsibility for the failures, not just blame Boris all the time...
I've been taking responsibility for myself this whole time.
It's about time we start actually holding the buffoons in charge to account.
I agree there are answers that are needed and whether we will get them only time will tell. But there are plenty of buffoons to choose from which have made mistakes and each have had their parts to play. We are in this together and need to come through it together."I'm doing my bit, or more than it. I know I can't prove it, but I am. | |||
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"Over 70s injected can you meet them hug them NO When vaccinated can you catch the virus Yes Can you spread the virus YES Can you die from the virus YES Someone tell me why everyone's get the vaccine ?????" Because you are told to maybe? Because that's the ' condition' that's been agreed that will let everyone get back to normal.. And allow people to mix with each other again That's why.. | |||
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"Absolutely. Then goodbye to restrictions and back to normality we hope." | |||
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"So if it goes wrong... Blame Boris. If it goes well... Give absolutely no credit to Boris. Nice to have a balanced and unbiased view! " I think you will find it's the other way round One of the biggest death tolls in the world and its everyine else fault A program handled by the experts and not one of his mates companies ,and it's all his credit. | |||
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"So if it goes wrong... Blame Boris. If it goes well... Give absolutely no credit to Boris. Nice to have a balanced and unbiased view! I think you will find it's the other way round One of the biggest death tolls in the world and its everyine else fault A program handled by the experts and not one of his mates companies ,and it's all his credit." its both - ive responded to both already on this thread - fair and balanced works both ways | |||
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"So if it goes wrong... Blame Boris. If it goes well... Give absolutely no credit to Boris. Nice to have a balanced and unbiased view! " If you are looking for balance you’ve come to wrong place. | |||
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"So if it goes wrong... Blame Boris. If it goes well... Give absolutely no credit to Boris. Nice to have a balanced and unbiased view! I think you will find it's the other way round One of the biggest death tolls in the world and its everyine else fault A program handled by the experts and not one of his mates companies ,and it's all his credit. its both - ive responded to both already on this thread - fair and balanced works both ways " I'd be more likely to talk about Boris's successes if his supporters acknowledged his failures. Whenever you say "should have done x" it's all "hindsight" or excuses. The first lockdown, or the first stage, was well done. Furlough is a reasonable system. The government bet well on vaccine purchasing. The 12 week experiment with Oxford vaccines seems to be a good idea. ... Anyone on the "yay Boris" side like to acknowledge any of his failures now? | |||
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"So if it goes wrong... Blame Boris. If it goes well... Give absolutely no credit to Boris. Nice to have a balanced and unbiased view! I think you will find it's the other way round One of the biggest death tolls in the world and its everyine else fault A program handled by the experts and not one of his mates companies ,and it's all his credit. its both - ive responded to both already on this thread - fair and balanced works both ways " The vaccine has been a great success Well done to all involved Yet when the death toll is mentioned you are met with..oh its different demographics or it's the peoples fault or it's the unique climate we have. | |||
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"So if it goes wrong... Blame Boris. If it goes well... Give absolutely no credit to Boris. Nice to have a balanced and unbiased view! I think you will find it's the other way round One of the biggest death tolls in the world and its everyine else fault A program handled by the experts and not one of his mates companies ,and it's all his credit. its both - ive responded to both already on this thread - fair and balanced works both ways The vaccine has been a great success Well done to all involved Yet when the death toll is mentioned you are met with..oh its different demographics or it's the peoples fault or it's the unique climate we have." The outback exists, New Zealand is small, the British population are uniquely stupid... Etc | |||
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"So if it goes wrong... Blame Boris. If it goes well... Give absolutely no credit to Boris. Nice to have a balanced and unbiased view! I think you will find it's the other way round One of the biggest death tolls in the world and its everyine else fault A program handled by the experts and not one of his mates companies ,and it's all his credit. its both - ive responded to both already on this thread - fair and balanced works both ways The vaccine has been a great success Well done to all involved Yet when the death toll is mentioned you are met with..oh its different demographics or it's the peoples fault or it's the unique climate we have. The outback exists, New Zealand is small, the British population are uniquely stupid... Etc" i think its all of those things and bad government policy - you cant take the new zealand model and direct copy paste onto the uk and expect the same results because our circumstances are not the same - thats not defence of bojo its just the truth it doesn’t mean we couldn’t have worked towards something similar, it doesn’t mean we couldn’t have done better and it doesn’t mean i think the government can do no wrong | |||
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"So if it goes wrong... Blame Boris. If it goes well... Give absolutely no credit to Boris. Nice to have a balanced and unbiased view! I think you will find it's the other way round One of the biggest death tolls in the world and its everyine else fault A program handled by the experts and not one of his mates companies ,and it's all his credit. its both - ive responded to both already on this thread - fair and balanced works both ways The vaccine has been a great success Well done to all involved Yet when the death toll is mentioned you are met with..oh its different demographics or it's the peoples fault or it's the unique climate we have. The outback exists, New Zealand is small, the British population are uniquely stupid... Etc" The unique climate was a particular highlight | |||
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"So if it goes wrong... Blame Boris. If it goes well... Give absolutely no credit to Boris. Nice to have a balanced and unbiased view! I think you will find it's the other way round One of the biggest death tolls in the world and its everyine else fault A program handled by the experts and not one of his mates companies ,and it's all his credit. its both - ive responded to both already on this thread - fair and balanced works both ways The vaccine has been a great success Well done to all involved Yet when the death toll is mentioned you are met with..oh its different demographics or it's the peoples fault or it's the unique climate we have. The outback exists, New Zealand is small, the British population are uniquely stupid... Etc i think its all of those things and bad government policy - you cant take the new zealand model and direct copy paste onto the uk and expect the same results because our circumstances are not the same - thats not defence of bojo its just the truth it doesn’t mean we couldn’t have worked towards something similar, it doesn’t mean we couldn’t have done better and it doesn’t mean i think the government can do no wrong " I'm not sure I've ever said copy New Zealand exactly. But I'm not sure why that kind of model can't be done here. We're not *that* different. The impression I get - not saying from you - is that Boris has done an incredible job and is not at all to blame because the outback exists. (I pick on Australia, being Australian) Which is absurd. Some successes, some failures, some things that can be learned from and emulated. | |||
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"So if it goes wrong... Blame Boris. If it goes well... Give absolutely no credit to Boris. Nice to have a balanced and unbiased view! I think you will find it's the other way round One of the biggest death tolls in the world and its everyine else fault A program handled by the experts and not one of his mates companies ,and it's all his credit. its both - ive responded to both already on this thread - fair and balanced works both ways The vaccine has been a great success Well done to all involved Yet when the death toll is mentioned you are met with..oh its different demographics or it's the peoples fault or it's the unique climate we have. The outback exists, New Zealand is small, the British population are uniquely stupid... Etc i think its all of those things and bad government policy - you cant take the new zealand model and direct copy paste onto the uk and expect the same results because our circumstances are not the same - thats not defence of bojo its just the truth it doesn’t mean we couldn’t have worked towards something similar, it doesn’t mean we couldn’t have done better and it doesn’t mean i think the government can do no wrong I'm not sure I've ever said copy New Zealand exactly. But I'm not sure why that kind of model can't be done here. We're not *that* different. The impression I get - not saying from you - is that Boris has done an incredible job and is not at all to blame because the outback exists. (I pick on Australia, being Australian) Which is absurd. Some successes, some failures, some things that can be learned from and emulated." the differences and reasons it wouldn’t work are those you already listed amongst others - different sized populations and density of cities , the uk is a travel hub which new zealand aren’t, one of our borders is a land border, we bring people in through various routes - tunnel, flights, boats, ferries and we were still part of the EU at the time which comes with the associated complications of free movement? we are less self sufficient, we still don’t have systems in place for unassisted freight, realistically our similarity ends at we are both (mostly) islands however none of that is an argument for bojo or the decisions we did make - its just a list of the of why when people say look at NZ and all the freedoms they now have we should have done the same then other people come in and bat out all the reasons its not quite that simple i do agree though that we could have implemented something similar, perhaps not fully on day 1 , but we could have put some of it in place and worked towards solving the other problems over time, instead it feels like we’ve kept flogging the same horse hoping for a new result i do think is a fair point to raise that hindsight is a wonderful thing for the early days - i dont think even new zealand could have imagined back then how bad it was going to get, they just weren’t even taking a chance with half as bad i guess - but the hindsight argument wears thin quickly because it was well modelled and the second wave was well discussed by early summer and yet here we are 9 months on following the same method not learning from that hindsight we now have | |||
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"Over 70s injected can you meet them hug them NO When vaccinated can you catch the virus Yes Can you spread the virus YES Can you die from the virus YES Someone tell me why everyone's get the vaccine ????? Herd immunity hasn't been reached and most have only had half of the vaccine. So no hugging (particularly from those of us completely unvaccinated). Yes, but it's limited, particularly after the second dose Yes, but it's likely limited based on new data, particularly after the second dose Exceptionally unlikely, particularly if you wait for the full immune response to mount ... It seems really bloody obvious to me." This
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" the differences and reasons it wouldn’t work are those you already listed amongst others - different sized populations and density of cities , the uk is a travel hub which new zealand aren’t, one of our borders is a land border, we bring people in through various routes - tunnel, flights, boats, ferries and we were still part of the EU at the time which comes with the associated complications of free movement? we are less self sufficient, we still don’t have systems in place for unassisted freight, realistically our similarity ends at we are both (mostly) islands however none of that is an argument for bojo or the decisions we did make - its just a list of the of why when people say look at NZ and all the freedoms they now have we should have done the same then other people come in and bat out all the reasons its not quite that simple i do agree though that we could have implemented something similar, perhaps not fully on day 1 , but we could have put some of it in place and worked towards solving the other problems over time, instead it feels like we’ve kept flogging the same horse hoping for a new result i do think is a fair point to raise that hindsight is a wonderful thing for the early days - i dont think even new zealand could have imagined back then how bad it was going to get, they just weren’t even taking a chance with half as bad i guess - but the hindsight argument wears thin quickly because it was well modelled and the second wave was well discussed by early summer and yet here we are 9 months on following the same method not learning from that hindsight we now have Sure. But the UK could have said "we'll do something like it". Any time from April last year until now. Close off all legal travel except trade. Biosecurity for trade. I'm not saying the UK should have known in March last year that this is how it would go or how bad it would be. But obviously lessons can be learned which have not been. Things can be adapted. And the fact that they have not been, or (to the extent they are) they've been done late or badly or both - most or all of that is on the government." yep i agree with all of that i just think on all sides there is alot of “if you don’t agree with everything i say then you must think the opposite” which is where my fair balance has to come from both sides comment started - not necessarily your posts but you see it all over the forum “well done bojo for the vaccine” and people assume they think the govt have done a great job on everything “what about the deaths the govt are responsible for” and people assume that there is no acceptance of anything thats been done right “the general public have some responsibility for continuing the spread” and people assume we have forgotten all about the mistakes made by govt “we need to keep restrictions in place for now” and people assume we want to be locked up forever and have no concept of the struggling economy “we need to find a way to live with this disease” and people assume they mean lets just scrap lockdown today and open wide to the world for some people the tunnel vision is that narrow but i think for the majority the truth is peoples opinions are way more nuanced and overlapping than that | |||
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" the differences and reasons it wouldn’t work are those you already listed amongst others - different sized populations and density of cities , the uk is a travel hub which new zealand aren’t, one of our borders is a land border, we bring people in through various routes - tunnel, flights, boats, ferries and we were still part of the EU at the time which comes with the associated complications of free movement? we are less self sufficient, we still don’t have systems in place for unassisted freight, realistically our similarity ends at we are both (mostly) islands however none of that is an argument for bojo or the decisions we did make - its just a list of the of why when people say look at NZ and all the freedoms they now have we should have done the same then other people come in and bat out all the reasons its not quite that simple i do agree though that we could have implemented something similar, perhaps not fully on day 1 , but we could have put some of it in place and worked towards solving the other problems over time, instead it feels like we’ve kept flogging the same horse hoping for a new result i do think is a fair point to raise that hindsight is a wonderful thing for the early days - i dont think even new zealand could have imagined back then how bad it was going to get, they just weren’t even taking a chance with half as bad i guess - but the hindsight argument wears thin quickly because it was well modelled and the second wave was well discussed by early summer and yet here we are 9 months on following the same method not learning from that hindsight we now have Sure. But the UK could have said "we'll do something like it". Any time from April last year until now. Close off all legal travel except trade. Biosecurity for trade. I'm not saying the UK should have known in March last year that this is how it would go or how bad it would be. But obviously lessons can be learned which have not been. Things can be adapted. And the fact that they have not been, or (to the extent they are) they've been done late or badly or both - most or all of that is on the government. yep i agree with all of that i just think on all sides there is alot of “if you don’t agree with everything i say then you must think the opposite” which is where my fair balance has to come from both sides comment started - not necessarily your posts but you see it all over the forum “well done bojo for the vaccine” and people assume they think the govt have done a great job on everything “what about the deaths the govt are responsible for” and people assume that there is no acceptance of anything thats been done right “the general public have some responsibility for continuing the spread” and people assume we have forgotten all about the mistakes made by govt “we need to keep restrictions in place for now” and people assume we want to be locked up forever and have no concept of the struggling economy “we need to find a way to live with this disease” and people assume they mean lets just scrap lockdown today and open wide to the world for some people the tunnel vision is that narrow but i think for the majority the truth is peoples opinions are way more nuanced and overlapping than that" I get that. It might not seem like it, but I look for nuance in many posts. I know my science stuff is more nuanced than my political posts, but I'm happy to be nuanced. (although sometimes it does feel like if you give an inch a mile will be taken, and some of the arguments - not you - are ridiculous) | |||
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Likewise, I've been so impressed with the military like precision and organisation behind these centres. For once we done Boris " 
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"Yes it's great isn't it! I've now been 3 times, with family members, to the vaccination centre, and each time they've been more organised and faster, with dealing with us, it's like they're on a mission, I guess they are. They are brilliant!
Likewise, I've been so impressed with the military like precision and organisation behind these centres. For once we done Boris
He literally has nowt to do with it, they throw the vaccine at us, and we get that shiy done, apart from the procurement, the government have nothing to do with the rollout, the NHS doing what we do best"Saod it before..look at the difference between the NHS handling and the cock up track and trace has been. | |||
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"So if it goes wrong... Blame Boris. If it goes well... Give absolutely no credit to Boris. Nice to have a balanced and unbiased view! I think you will find it's the other way round One of the biggest death tolls in the world and its everyine else fault A program handled by the experts and not one of his mates companies ,and it's all his credit. its both - ive responded to both already on this thread - fair and balanced works both ways The vaccine has been a great success Well done to all involved Yet when the death toll is mentioned you are met with..oh its different demographics or it's the peoples fault or it's the unique climate we have. The outback exists, New Zealand is small, the British population are uniquely stupid... Etc i think its all of those things and bad government policy - you cant take the new zealand model and direct copy paste onto the uk and expect the same results because our circumstances are not the same - thats not defence of bojo its just the truth it doesn’t mean we couldn’t have worked towards something similar, it doesn’t mean we couldn’t have done better and it doesn’t mean i think the government can do no wrong I'm not sure I've ever said copy New Zealand exactly. But I'm not sure why that kind of model can't be done here. We're not *that* different. The impression I get - not saying from you - is that Boris has done an incredible job and is not at all to blame because the outback exists. (I pick on Australia, being Australian) Which is absurd. Some successes, some failures, some things that can be learned from and emulated. the differences and reasons it wouldn’t work are those you already listed amongst others - different sized populations and density of cities , the uk is a travel hub which new zealand aren’t, one of our borders is a land border, we bring people in through various routes - tunnel, flights, boats, ferries and we were still part of the EU at the time which comes with the associated complications of free movement? we are less self sufficient, we still don’t have systems in place for unassisted freight, realistically our similarity ends at we are both (mostly) islands however none of that is an argument for bojo or the decisions we did make - its just a list of the of why when people say look at NZ and all the freedoms they now have we should have done the same then other people come in and bat out all the reasons its not quite that simple i do agree though that we could have implemented something similar, perhaps not fully on day 1 , but we could have put some of it in place and worked towards solving the other problems over time, instead it feels like we’ve kept flogging the same horse hoping for a new result i do think is a fair point to raise that hindsight is a wonderful thing for the early days - i dont think even new zealand could have imagined back then how bad it was going to get, they just weren’t even taking a chance with half as bad i guess - but the hindsight argument wears thin quickly because it was well modelled and the second wave was well discussed by early summer and yet here we are 9 months on following the same method not learning from that hindsight we now have " I think the hindsight thing can be a little flawed tbf We saw the damage it was doing in China and then europe. We had done a dry run for the pandemic. We had a natinal health system and a decent infrastructure in place. We are in island. We had every advantage under the sun and we still blew it. I genuinley think at the beginning they simply didnt take it seriously. Evidenced by the fact that he couldnt even be arsed to attend 6 meetings and remember all that take it on the chin nonsense? When they realised how bad it was.. it was far too late. | |||
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"Yes it's great isn't it! I've now been 3 times, with family members, to the vaccination centre, and each time they've been more organised and faster, with dealing with us, it's like they're on a mission, I guess they are. They are brilliant!
Likewise, I've been so impressed with the military like precision and organisation behind these centres. For once we done Boris
He literally has nowt to do with it, they throw the vaccine at us, and we get that shiy done, apart from the procurement, the government have nothing to do with the rollout, the NHS doing what we do best
Saod it before..look at the difference between the NHS handling and the cock up track and trace has been."its almost as if we get a mini trial run to practice every time we did the flu vaccine track and trace has been a spectacular cock up sure , but comparing something requiring technology we’ve done for the first time with something that we do on a smaller scale every year is a silly place to start , its like saying oh look this apple is not as yellow as a banana | |||
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"Yes it's great isn't it! I've now been 3 times, with family members, to the vaccination centre, and each time they've been more organised and faster, with dealing with us, it's like they're on a mission, I guess they are. They are brilliant!
Likewise, I've been so impressed with the military like precision and organisation behind these centres. For once we done Boris
He literally has nowt to do with it, they throw the vaccine at us, and we get that shiy done, apart from the procurement, the government have nothing to do with the rollout, the NHS doing what we do best
Saod it before..look at the difference between the NHS handling and the cock up track and trace has been.
its almost as if we get a mini trial run to practice every time we did the flu vaccine
track and trace has been a spectacular cock up sure , but comparing something requiring technology we’ve done for the first time with something that we do on a smaller scale every year is a silly place to start , its like saying oh look this apple is not as yellow as a banana "The public health experts I've been listening to are despairing that the resources and job weren't given to the NHS. | |||
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"Yes it's great isn't it! I've now been 3 times, with family members, to the vaccination centre, and each time they've been more organised and faster, with dealing with us, it's like they're on a mission, I guess they are. They are brilliant!
Likewise, I've been so impressed with the military like precision and organisation behind these centres. For once we done Boris
He literally has nowt to do with it, they throw the vaccine at us, and we get that shiy done, apart from the procurement, the government have nothing to do with the rollout, the NHS doing what we do best
Saod it before..look at the difference between the NHS handling and the cock up track and trace has been.
its almost as if we get a mini trial run to practice every time we did the flu vaccine
track and trace has been a spectacular cock up sure , but comparing something requiring technology we’ve done for the first time with something that we do on a smaller scale every year is a silly place to start , its like saying oh look this apple is not as yellow as a banana "We have never done a vast vaccination programme before in such a small time. Its unprecedented. | |||
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"So if it goes wrong... Blame Boris. If it goes well... Give absolutely no credit to Boris. Nice to have a balanced and unbiased view! I think you will find it's the other way round One of the biggest death tolls in the world and its everyine else fault A program handled by the experts and not one of his mates companies ,and it's all his credit. its both - ive responded to both already on this thread - fair and balanced works both ways The vaccine has been a great success Well done to all involved Yet when the death toll is mentioned you are met with..oh its different demographics or it's the peoples fault or it's the unique climate we have. The outback exists, New Zealand is small, the British population are uniquely stupid... Etc i think its all of those things and bad government policy - you cant take the new zealand model and direct copy paste onto the uk and expect the same results because our circumstances are not the same - thats not defence of bojo its just the truth it doesn’t mean we couldn’t have worked towards something similar, it doesn’t mean we couldn’t have done better and it doesn’t mean i think the government can do no wrong I'm not sure I've ever said copy New Zealand exactly. But I'm not sure why that kind of model can't be done here. We're not *that* different. The impression I get - not saying from you - is that Boris has done an incredible job and is not at all to blame because the outback exists. (I pick on Australia, being Australian) Which is absurd. Some successes, some failures, some things that can be learned from and emulated. the differences and reasons it wouldn’t work are those you already listed amongst others - different sized populations and density of cities , the uk is a travel hub which new zealand aren’t, one of our borders is a land border, we bring people in through various routes - tunnel, flights, boats, ferries and we were still part of the EU at the time which comes with the associated complications of free movement? we are less self sufficient, we still don’t have systems in place for unassisted freight, realistically our similarity ends at we are both (mostly) islands however none of that is an argument for bojo or the decisions we did make - its just a list of the of why when people say look at NZ and all the freedoms they now have we should have done the same then other people come in and bat out all the reasons its not quite that simple i do agree though that we could have implemented something similar, perhaps not fully on day 1 , but we could have put some of it in place and worked towards solving the other problems over time, instead it feels like we’ve kept flogging the same horse hoping for a new result i do think is a fair point to raise that hindsight is a wonderful thing for the early days - i dont think even new zealand could have imagined back then how bad it was going to get, they just weren’t even taking a chance with half as bad i guess - but the hindsight argument wears thin quickly because it was well modelled and the second wave was well discussed by early summer and yet here we are 9 months on following the same method not learning from that hindsight we now have I think the hindsight thing can be a little flawed tbf We saw the damage it was doing in China and then europe. We had done a dry run for the pandemic. We had a natinal health system and a decent infrastructure in place. We are in island. We had every advantage under the sun and we still blew it. I genuinley think at the beginning they simply didnt take it seriously. Evidenced by the fact that he couldnt even be arsed to attend 6 meetings and remember all that take it on the chin nonsense? When they realised how bad it was.. it was far too late. " “ i genuinley think at the beginning they simply didnt take it seriously.” thats the hindsight i meant - i think people including the government were naive enough to think it would all blow over in a couple of months - and thats why as an argument it wears thin pretty quick as by the early summer it was very clearly not the case and yet in the 9 months since we haven’t changed up our game plan to learn from that | |||
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"Yes it's great isn't it! I've now been 3 times, with family members, to the vaccination centre, and each time they've been more organised and faster, with dealing with us, it's like they're on a mission, I guess they are. They are brilliant!
Likewise, I've been so impressed with the military like precision and organisation behind these centres. For once we done Boris
He literally has nowt to do with it, they throw the vaccine at us, and we get that shiy done, apart from the procurement, the government have nothing to do with the rollout, the NHS doing what we do best
Saod it before..look at the difference between the NHS handling and the cock up track and trace has been.
its almost as if we get a mini trial run to practice every time we did the flu vaccine
track and trace has been a spectacular cock up sure , but comparing something requiring technology we’ve done for the first time with something that we do on a smaller scale every year is a silly place to start , its like saying oh look this apple is not as yellow as a banana "I stand to be corrected on this.. but didnt the NHS have the resources in place to handle it? I remember reading something ages ago which was saying they could have used the labs in universities etc? | |||
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"Yes it's great isn't it! I've now been 3 times, with family members, to the vaccination centre, and each time they've been more organised and faster, with dealing with us, it's like they're on a mission, I guess they are. They are brilliant!
Likewise, I've been so impressed with the military like precision and organisation behind these centres. For once we done Boris
He literally has nowt to do with it, they throw the vaccine at us, and we get that shiy done, apart from the procurement, the government have nothing to do with the rollout, the NHS doing what we do best
Saod it before..look at the difference between the NHS handling and the cock up track and trace has been.
its almost as if we get a mini trial run to practice every time we did the flu vaccine
track and trace has been a spectacular cock up sure , but comparing something requiring technology we’ve done for the first time with something that we do on a smaller scale every year is a silly place to start , its like saying oh look this apple is not as yellow as a banana
We have never done a vast vaccination programme before in such a small time.
Its unprecedented. "thats why i said we’ve had mini trial runs - we’ve taken what we normally do and scaled it up - and done it excellently | |||
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"Yes it's great isn't it! I've now been 3 times, with family members, to the vaccination centre, and each time they've been more organised and faster, with dealing with us, it's like they're on a mission, I guess they are. They are brilliant!
Likewise, I've been so impressed with the military like precision and organisation behind these centres. For once we done Boris
He literally has nowt to do with it, they throw the vaccine at us, and we get that shiy done, apart from the procurement, the government have nothing to do with the rollout, the NHS doing what we do best
Saod it before..look at the difference between the NHS handling and the cock up track and trace has been.
its almost as if we get a mini trial run to practice every time we did the flu vaccine
track and trace has been a spectacular cock up sure , but comparing something requiring technology we’ve done for the first time with something that we do on a smaller scale every year is a silly place to start , its like saying oh look this apple is not as yellow as a banana
We have never done a vast vaccination programme before in such a small time.
Its unprecedented. "And it's going brilliantly - well done the NHS. | |||
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"So if it goes wrong... Blame Boris. If it goes well... Give absolutely no credit to Boris. Nice to have a balanced and unbiased view! I think you will find it's the other way round One of the biggest death tolls in the world and its everyine else fault A program handled by the experts and not one of his mates companies ,and it's all his credit. its both - ive responded to both already on this thread - fair and balanced works both ways The vaccine has been a great success Well done to all involved Yet when the death toll is mentioned you are met with..oh its different demographics or it's the peoples fault or it's the unique climate we have. The outback exists, New Zealand is small, the British population are uniquely stupid... Etc i think its all of those things and bad government policy - you cant take the new zealand model and direct copy paste onto the uk and expect the same results because our circumstances are not the same - thats not defence of bojo its just the truth it doesn’t mean we couldn’t have worked towards something similar, it doesn’t mean we couldn’t have done better and it doesn’t mean i think the government can do no wrong I'm not sure I've ever said copy New Zealand exactly. But I'm not sure why that kind of model can't be done here. We're not *that* different. The impression I get - not saying from you - is that Boris has done an incredible job and is not at all to blame because the outback exists. (I pick on Australia, being Australian) Which is absurd. Some successes, some failures, some things that can be learned from and emulated. the differences and reasons it wouldn’t work are those you already listed amongst others - different sized populations and density of cities , the uk is a travel hub which new zealand aren’t, one of our borders is a land border, we bring people in through various routes - tunnel, flights, boats, ferries and we were still part of the EU at the time which comes with the associated complications of free movement? we are less self sufficient, we still don’t have systems in place for unassisted freight, realistically our similarity ends at we are both (mostly) islands however none of that is an argument for bojo or the decisions we did make - its just a list of the of why when people say look at NZ and all the freedoms they now have we should have done the same then other people come in and bat out all the reasons its not quite that simple i do agree though that we could have implemented something similar, perhaps not fully on day 1 , but we could have put some of it in place and worked towards solving the other problems over time, instead it feels like we’ve kept flogging the same horse hoping for a new result i do think is a fair point to raise that hindsight is a wonderful thing for the early days - i dont think even new zealand could have imagined back then how bad it was going to get, they just weren’t even taking a chance with half as bad i guess - but the hindsight argument wears thin quickly because it was well modelled and the second wave was well discussed by early summer and yet here we are 9 months on following the same method not learning from that hindsight we now have I think the hindsight thing can be a little flawed tbf We saw the damage it was doing in China and then europe. We had done a dry run for the pandemic. We had a natinal health system and a decent infrastructure in place. We are in island. We had every advantage under the sun and we still blew it. I genuinley think at the beginning they simply didnt take it seriously. Evidenced by the fact that he couldnt even be arsed to attend 6 meetings and remember all that take it on the chin nonsense? When they realised how bad it was.. it was far too late. “ i genuinley think at the beginning they simply didnt take it seriously.” thats the hindsight i meant - i think people including the government were naive enough to think it would all blow over in a couple of months - and thats why as an argument it wears thin pretty quick as by the early summer it was very clearly not the case and yet in the 9 months since we haven’t changed up our game plan to learn from that " But remember all those apoloclypic videos coming out of China? We were just carrying on as normal Amd even if there is a degree of hindsight there..its their job to keep us safe. | |||
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"Yes it's great isn't it! I've now been 3 times, with family members, to the vaccination centre, and each time they've been more organised and faster, with dealing with us, it's like they're on a mission, I guess they are. They are brilliant!
Likewise, I've been so impressed with the military like precision and organisation behind these centres. For once we done Boris
He literally has nowt to do with it, they throw the vaccine at us, and we get that shiy done, apart from the procurement, the government have nothing to do with the rollout, the NHS doing what we do best
Saod it before..look at the difference between the NHS handling and the cock up track and trace has been.
its almost as if we get a mini trial run to practice every time we did the flu vaccine
track and trace has been a spectacular cock up sure , but comparing something requiring technology we’ve done for the first time with something that we do on a smaller scale every year is a silly place to start , its like saying oh look this apple is not as yellow as a banana
I stand to be corrected on this.. but didnt the NHS have the resources in place to handle it?
I remember reading something ages ago which was saying they could have used the labs in universities etc?"wouldnt the labs be used for the testing? testing has never really been the source of our issue its the track and trace part that comes after i don’t disagree that what we have is insufficient garbage but i don’t think handing a technology and admin based project to the nhs would have been the right answer either, they probably should have got the likes of capita and cognizant to bit for the contract of trace snd bought in the software for track ill be honest ive stopped paying attention and should really do some reading up on it as other other than calls for people who have been jn contact in workplaces and stuff i kind of thought the while thing had been abandoned , certainly never hear any positive stories about it anyway | |||
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"Yes it's great isn't it! I've now been 3 times, with family members, to the vaccination centre, and each time they've been more organised and faster, with dealing with us, it's like they're on a mission, I guess they are. They are brilliant!
Likewise, I've been so impressed with the military like precision and organisation behind these centres. For once we done Boris
He literally has nowt to do with it, they throw the vaccine at us, and we get that shiy done, apart from the procurement, the government have nothing to do with the rollout, the NHS doing what we do best
Saod it before..look at the difference between the NHS handling and the cock up track and trace has been.
its almost as if we get a mini trial run to practice every time we did the flu vaccine
track and trace has been a spectacular cock up sure , but comparing something requiring technology we’ve done for the first time with something that we do on a smaller scale every year is a silly place to start , its like saying oh look this apple is not as yellow as a banana
I stand to be corrected on this.. but didnt the NHS have the resources in place to handle it?
I remember reading something ages ago which was saying they could have used the labs in universities etc?
wouldnt the labs be used for the testing? testing has never really been the source of our issue its the track and trace part that comes after
i don’t disagree that what we have is insufficient garbage but i don’t think handing a technology and admin based project to the nhs would have been the right answer either, they probably should have got the likes of capita and cognizant to bit for the contract of trace snd bought in the software for track
ill be honest ive stopped paying attention and should really do some reading up on it as other other than calls for people who have been jn contact in workplaces and stuff i kind of thought the while thing had been abandoned , certainly never hear any positive stories about it anyway "I just remember reading about it ages ago. I'm glad the NHS has come out of it shining though | |||
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Scotland are lagging behind so i doubt it very much."im surprised at this because i know quite a few that have had it (just down to care jobs and things like that) and they seem to be getting offered jab 2 much sooner than the 12 weeks they expected - i think my sister was only 6 weeks apart i wonder if we are doing ok on our jab rate but the number of people doesn’t look as good because we aren’t waiting the full 12 weeks for jab 2 | |||
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Scotland are lagging behind so i doubt it very much.
They have nearly caught up havent they?"No. My brother and cousin who live in England have been vaccinated whereas people up here in their 70's have not. | |||
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"I meant well done Boris
Fuck all to do with that knob. Please don’t let the 120000 deaths be forgotten due to the fact that the NHS and vaccine industry have got this right.
while i don’t think the glory of this should be laid at one mans door isn’t it funny that we will lay the deaths at it happily?
there are a multitude of reasons and people responsible for both our successes and our failures "Yup I blame the whole Tory government and those that voted for him for the ten years of under funding which meant the NHS Wasn’t equipped in PPE nor staff to do the job they so wanted to do. | |||
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"I meant well done Boris
Yes it is well done Boris.
He was the one to pre order all of these vaccines before the majority of everyone else did and why we are not lagging behind like lots of other countries and are able to donate them....
Everyone needs to take responsibility for the failures, not just blame Boris all the time...
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"I meant well done Boris "Well done NHS you mean ! Boris has fortunately had bugger all to do with it. It's in part due to the fact that true words can't escape from his mouth that there is a resistance to taking the vaccine! You can't trust him on anything else so why trust him on this ? Fortunately many of us do some research and make an informed decision or the take up would be even lower. Good results are despite him not because of him ! | |||
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"I meant well done Boris
Well done NHS you mean !
Boris has fortunately had bugger all to do with it.
It's in part due to the fact that true words can't escape from his mouth that there is a resistance to taking the vaccine!
You can't trust him on anything else so why trust him on this ?
Fortunately many of us do some research and make an informed decision or the take up would be even lower.
Good results are despite him not because of him !"NHS | |||
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"I meant well done Boris
Well done NHS you mean !
Boris has fortunately had bugger all to do with it.
It's in part due to the fact that true words can't escape from his mouth that there is a resistance to taking the vaccine!
You can't trust him on anything else so why trust him on this ?
Fortunately many of us do some research and make an informed decision or the take up would be even lower.
Good results are despite him not because of him !"To be fair the Gov did have the foresight to order all those vaccines very early. Th vaccine programme is the NHS though who has done and do a magnificent job of organising vaccine rollouts | |||
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"I meant well done Boris
Well done NHS you mean !
Boris has fortunately had bugger all to do with it.
It's in part due to the fact that true words can't escape from his mouth that there is a resistance to taking the vaccine!
You can't trust him on anything else so why trust him on this ?
Fortunately many of us do some research and make an informed decision or the take up would be even lower.
Good results are despite him not because of him !
To be fair the Gov did have the foresight to order all those vaccines very early. Th vaccine programme is the NHS though who has done and do a magnificent job of organising vaccine rollouts"
I think its definitely been one of the best roll outs in the world
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"Over 70s injected can you meet them hug them NO When vaccinated can you catch the virus Yes Can you spread the virus YES Can you die from the virus YES Someone tell me why everyone's get the vaccine ?????" because they brainwahed by media all you said above is true but people cant or dont want to see it | |||
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"Over 70s injected can you meet them hug them NO When vaccinated can you catch the virus Yes Can you spread the virus YES Can you die from the virus YES Someone tell me why everyone's get the vaccine ?????because they brainwahed by media all you said above is true but people cant or dont want to see it" So anyone who doesn't believe as you do has been brainwashed? I thought people could make their own decisions for their own reasons | |||
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"Over 70s injected can you meet them hug them NO When vaccinated can you catch the virus Yes Can you spread the virus YES Can you die from the virus YES Someone tell me why everyone's get the vaccine ????? This is why https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-risk-of-illness-drops-95-8-after-second-pfizer-vaccine-dose-israel-says-12224403 The vaccine is the difference between 0% protection and high 90% protection" You can't really explain to some people can you. They simply don't get it. I don't know if it's deliberate ignorance or just lack of education. It's quite baffling etc. | |||
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"Over 70s injected can you meet them hug them NO When vaccinated can you catch the virus Yes Can you spread the virus YES Can you die from the virus YES Someone tell me why everyone's get the vaccine ?????because they brainwahed by media all you said above is true but people cant or dont want to see it" The guardian had an article recently reporting that a recent study showed that the effectiveness of the vaccines (antibodies levels dropped by 50% ) was noted from about 6 to 10 weeks after the second jab. In short they are not as effective as first taught ; so they are introducing boosters in the autumn. The narrative can change at any moment in time, | |||
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"Over 70s injected can you meet them hug them NO When vaccinated can you catch the virus Yes Can you spread the virus YES Can you die from the virus YES Someone tell me why everyone's get the vaccine ?????because they brainwahed by media all you said above is true but people cant or dont want to see it The guardian had an article recently reporting that a recent study showed that the effectiveness of the vaccines (antibodies levels dropped by 50% ) was noted from about 6 to 10 weeks after the second jab. In short they are not as effective as first taught ; so they are introducing boosters in the autumn. The narrative can change at any moment in time, " Is this B cell or T cell immunity? What's the effect on hospitalisations and death in practice? Why would this be a "change in narrative"? The vaccines were designed to reduce/prevent hospitalisation and death - and that's exactly what they're doing. A lot of studies only look at B cell response, while severe illness is prevented via T cell response. Sounds like things are just fine to me. | |||
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"Over 70s injected can you meet them hug them NO When vaccinated can you catch the virus Yes Can you spread the virus YES Can you die from the virus YES Someone tell me why everyone's get the vaccine ?????because they brainwahed by media all you said above is true but people cant or dont want to see it The guardian had an article recently reporting that a recent study showed that the effectiveness of the vaccines (antibodies levels dropped by 50% ) was noted from about 6 to 10 weeks after the second jab. In short they are not as effective as first taught ; so they are introducing boosters in the autumn. The narrative can change at any moment in time, Is this B cell or T cell immunity? What's the effect on hospitalisations and death in practice? Why would this be a "change in narrative"? The vaccines were designed to reduce/prevent hospitalisation and death - and that's exactly what they're doing. A lot of studies only look at B cell response, while severe illness is prevented via T cell response. Sounds like things are just fine to me." the report said that antibody levels started off high but decreased significantly 6 to 10 weeks after second jab raising concerns that the effectiveness of the vaccines is diminishing; so supporting a booster autumn campaign | |||
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"Over 70s injected can you meet them hug them NO When vaccinated can you catch the virus Yes Can you spread the virus YES Can you die from the virus YES Someone tell me why everyone's get the vaccine ?????because they brainwahed by media all you said above is true but people cant or dont want to see it The guardian had an article recently reporting that a recent study showed that the effectiveness of the vaccines (antibodies levels dropped by 50% ) was noted from about 6 to 10 weeks after the second jab. In short they are not as effective as first taught ; so they are introducing boosters in the autumn. The narrative can change at any moment in time, Is this B cell or T cell immunity? What's the effect on hospitalisations and death in practice? Why would this be a "change in narrative"? The vaccines were designed to reduce/prevent hospitalisation and death - and that's exactly what they're doing. A lot of studies only look at B cell response, while severe illness is prevented via T cell response. Sounds like things are just fine to me.the report said that antibody levels started off high but decreased significantly 6 to 10 weeks after second jab raising concerns that the effectiveness of the vaccines is diminishing; so supporting a booster autumn campaign " Yes, I read what you said the first time. What type of antibodies? What effect does this have? If T cell response remains robust then the vaccines are still doing what they're doing and probably well How does change a narrative? | |||
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"Over 70s injected can you meet them hug them NO When vaccinated can you catch the virus Yes Can you spread the virus YES Can you die from the virus YES Someone tell me why everyone's get the vaccine ?????because they brainwahed by media all you said above is true but people cant or dont want to see it The guardian had an article recently reporting that a recent study showed that the effectiveness of the vaccines (antibodies levels dropped by 50% ) was noted from about 6 to 10 weeks after the second jab. In short they are not as effective as first taught ; so they are introducing boosters in the autumn. The narrative can change at any moment in time, Is this B cell or T cell immunity? What's the effect on hospitalisations and death in practice? Why would this be a "change in narrative"? The vaccines were designed to reduce/prevent hospitalisation and death - and that's exactly what they're doing. A lot of studies only look at B cell response, while severe illness is prevented via T cell response. Sounds like things are just fine to me.the report said that antibody levels started off high but decreased significantly 6 to 10 weeks after second jab raising concerns that the effectiveness of the vaccines is diminishing; so supporting a booster autumn campaign Yes, I read what you said the first time. What type of antibodies? What effect does this have? If T cell response remains robust then the vaccines are still doing what they're doing and probably well How does change a narrative?" the narrative being the vaccines not as effective as first taught so hence the need for boosters. | |||
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"Over 70s injected can you meet them hug them NO When vaccinated can you catch the virus Yes Can you spread the virus YES Can you die from the virus YES Someone tell me why everyone's get the vaccine ?????because they brainwahed by media all you said above is true but people cant or dont want to see it The guardian had an article recently reporting that a recent study showed that the effectiveness of the vaccines (antibodies levels dropped by 50% ) was noted from about 6 to 10 weeks after the second jab. In short they are not as effective as first taught ; so they are introducing boosters in the autumn. The narrative can change at any moment in time, Is this B cell or T cell immunity? What's the effect on hospitalisations and death in practice? Why would this be a "change in narrative"? The vaccines were designed to reduce/prevent hospitalisation and death - and that's exactly what they're doing. A lot of studies only look at B cell response, while severe illness is prevented via T cell response. Sounds like things are just fine to me.the report said that antibody levels started off high but decreased significantly 6 to 10 weeks after second jab raising concerns that the effectiveness of the vaccines is diminishing; so supporting a booster autumn campaign Yes, I read what you said the first time. What type of antibodies? What effect does this have? If T cell response remains robust then the vaccines are still doing what they're doing and probably well How does change a narrative?the narrative being the vaccines not as effective as first taught so hence the need for boosters." I'm pretty sure what I've heard all along is that these vaccines are extremely effective for the time period studied. So, nothing has changed in what I've heard. I'm also not clear that the vaccines are waning - whether we're overreliant on the B cell response rather than the T cell response. Also, boosters have been mooted for months as a possibility, both due to antigenic drift and because we weren't sure how long immunity would last. But I know not everyone listens to the science as closely as I do, and these details can get lost. | |||
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"Over 70s injected can you meet them hug them NO When vaccinated can you catch the virus Yes Can you spread the virus YES Can you die from the virus YES Someone tell me why everyone's get the vaccine ?????because they brainwahed by media all you said above is true but people cant or dont want to see it The guardian had an article recently reporting that a recent study showed that the effectiveness of the vaccines (antibodies levels dropped by 50% ) was noted from about 6 to 10 weeks after the second jab. In short they are not as effective as first taught ; so they are introducing boosters in the autumn. The narrative can change at any moment in time, Is this B cell or T cell immunity? What's the effect on hospitalisations and death in practice? Why would this be a "change in narrative"? The vaccines were designed to reduce/prevent hospitalisation and death - and that's exactly what they're doing. A lot of studies only look at B cell response, while severe illness is prevented via T cell response. Sounds like things are just fine to me.the report said that antibody levels started off high but decreased significantly 6 to 10 weeks after second jab raising concerns that the effectiveness of the vaccines is diminishing; so supporting a booster autumn campaign Yes, I read what you said the first time. What type of antibodies? What effect does this have? If T cell response remains robust then the vaccines are still doing what they're doing and probably well How does change a narrative?the narrative being the vaccines not as effective as first taught so hence the need for boosters. I'm pretty sure what I've heard all along is that these vaccines are extremely effective for the time period studied. So, nothing has changed in what I've heard. I'm also not clear that the vaccines are waning - whether we're overreliant on the B cell response rather than the T cell response. Also, boosters have been mooted for months as a possibility, both due to antigenic drift and because we weren't sure how long immunity would last. But I know not everyone listens to the science as closely as I do, and these details can get lost." We are already planning for the booster alongside the flu from September | |||
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"Over 70s injected can you meet them hug them NO When vaccinated can you catch the virus Yes Can you spread the virus YES Can you die from the virus YES Someone tell me why everyone's get the vaccine ?????because they brainwahed by media all you said above is true but people cant or dont want to see it The guardian had an article recently reporting that a recent study showed that the effectiveness of the vaccines (antibodies levels dropped by 50% ) was noted from about 6 to 10 weeks after the second jab. In short they are not as effective as first taught ; so they are introducing boosters in the autumn. The narrative can change at any moment in time, Is this B cell or T cell immunity? What's the effect on hospitalisations and death in practice? Why would this be a "change in narrative"? The vaccines were designed to reduce/prevent hospitalisation and death - and that's exactly what they're doing. A lot of studies only look at B cell response, while severe illness is prevented via T cell response. Sounds like things are just fine to me.the report said that antibody levels started off high but decreased significantly 6 to 10 weeks after second jab raising concerns that the effectiveness of the vaccines is diminishing; so supporting a booster autumn campaign Yes, I read what you said the first time. What type of antibodies? What effect does this have? If T cell response remains robust then the vaccines are still doing what they're doing and probably well How does change a narrative?the narrative being the vaccines not as effective as first taught so hence the need for boosters. I'm pretty sure what I've heard all along is that these vaccines are extremely effective for the time period studied. So, nothing has changed in what I've heard. I'm also not clear that the vaccines are waning - whether we're overreliant on the B cell response rather than the T cell response. Also, boosters have been mooted for months as a possibility, both due to antigenic drift and because we weren't sure how long immunity would last. But I know not everyone listens to the science as closely as I do, and these details can get lost. We are already planning for the booster alongside the flu from September " Yes, it's not news to me. | |||
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"Yes, all hail our amazing NHS. But we still need greater uptake of the offer for increased herd immunity. Too many people have been taken in my conspiracy theories or for whatever reason, are cautious. To be fair the uptake on the whole isn't too bad. I think a lot of people that initially refused have now started to accept the offer. Some people will not have it regardless but I think the vast majority that have said no are just a little bit reluctant and need some reassurance." Yeah accept the offer or risk not doing things!! | |||
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" We are already planning for the booster alongside the flu from September Yes, it's not news to me. Reckon it will be a couple of years of the same It'll be interesting to see how it pans out. Some of the people I follow think that the worry about waning B cell immunity is overblown, and that T cell immunity is what we really need to worry about. I think their take on the evidence is that T cell immunity, which is most protective, persists. But the idea that this destroys some sort of "mainstream narrative" is silly. We got the best vaccines we could as fast as we safely could, but we learn more about this virus every day, and so things will change. (plus obviously antigenic drift may change our response)" Trouble is, no one really knows, we just need to do whatever it takes to keep everyone safe, it was disappointingly quiet at our site today, but then we have double jabbed most of our population down here.x | |||
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" We are already planning for the booster alongside the flu from September Yes, it's not news to me. Reckon it will be a couple of years of the same It'll be interesting to see how it pans out. Some of the people I follow think that the worry about waning B cell immunity is overblown, and that T cell immunity is what we really need to worry about. I think their take on the evidence is that T cell immunity, which is most protective, persists. But the idea that this destroys some sort of "mainstream narrative" is silly. We got the best vaccines we could as fast as we safely could, but we learn more about this virus every day, and so things will change. (plus obviously antigenic drift may change our response) Trouble is, no one really knows, we just need to do whatever it takes to keep everyone safe, it was disappointingly quiet at our site today, but then we have double jabbed most of our population down here.x" Absolutely. Not a criticism of you - I've got nothing but praise for what you're doing. Just, we don't know yet. I do think a booster is a sensible precautionary measure, particularly in the most vulnerable. (And the idea that a booster means that the official narrative is wrong is... silly) | |||
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" We are already planning for the booster alongside the flu from September Yes, it's not news to me. Reckon it will be a couple of years of the same It'll be interesting to see how it pans out. Some of the people I follow think that the worry about waning B cell immunity is overblown, and that T cell immunity is what we really need to worry about. I think their take on the evidence is that T cell immunity, which is most protective, persists. But the idea that this destroys some sort of "mainstream narrative" is silly. We got the best vaccines we could as fast as we safely could, but we learn more about this virus every day, and so things will change. (plus obviously antigenic drift may change our response) Trouble is, no one really knows, we just need to do whatever it takes to keep everyone safe, it was disappointingly quiet at our site today, but then we have double jabbed most of our population down here.x Absolutely. Not a criticism of you - I've got nothing but praise for what you're doing. Just, we don't know yet. I do think a booster is a sensible precautionary measure, particularly in the most vulnerable. (And the idea that a booster means that the official narrative is wrong is... silly)" Didn't take it personally and thank you, we have the day job to do but this is all consuming, going to be offering the booster with the flu it seems, logistical bloody nightmare, when is there time for shagging?!!! | |||
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" We are already planning for the booster alongside the flu from September Yes, it's not news to me. Reckon it will be a couple of years of the same It'll be interesting to see how it pans out. Some of the people I follow think that the worry about waning B cell immunity is overblown, and that T cell immunity is what we really need to worry about. I think their take on the evidence is that T cell immunity, which is most protective, persists. But the idea that this destroys some sort of "mainstream narrative" is silly. We got the best vaccines we could as fast as we safely could, but we learn more about this virus every day, and so things will change. (plus obviously antigenic drift may change our response) Trouble is, no one really knows, we just need to do whatever it takes to keep everyone safe, it was disappointingly quiet at our site today, but then we have double jabbed most of our population down here.x Absolutely. Not a criticism of you - I've got nothing but praise for what you're doing. Just, we don't know yet. I do think a booster is a sensible precautionary measure, particularly in the most vulnerable. (And the idea that a booster means that the official narrative is wrong is... silly) Didn't take it personally and thank you, we have the day job to do but this is all consuming, going to be offering the booster with the flu it seems, logistical bloody nightmare, when is there time for shagging?!!! "Priorities. You deserve it! | |||
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" We are already planning for the booster alongside the flu from September Yes, it's not news to me. Reckon it will be a couple of years of the same It'll be interesting to see how it pans out. Some of the people I follow think that the worry about waning B cell immunity is overblown, and that T cell immunity is what we really need to worry about. I think their take on the evidence is that T cell immunity, which is most protective, persists. But the idea that this destroys some sort of "mainstream narrative" is silly. We got the best vaccines we could as fast as we safely could, but we learn more about this virus every day, and so things will change. (plus obviously antigenic drift may change our response) Trouble is, no one really knows, we just need to do whatever it takes to keep everyone safe, it was disappointingly quiet at our site today, but then we have double jabbed most of our population down here.x Absolutely. Not a criticism of you - I've got nothing but praise for what you're doing. Just, we don't know yet. I do think a booster is a sensible precautionary measure, particularly in the most vulnerable. (And the idea that a booster means that the official narrative is wrong is... silly) Didn't take it personally and thank you, we have the day job to do but this is all consuming, going to be offering the booster with the flu it seems, logistical bloody nightmare, when is there time for shagging?!!! "thats right, the flu is making a come back after being given a 12 month holiday | |||
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" We are already planning for the booster alongside the flu from September Yes, it's not news to me. Reckon it will be a couple of years of the same It'll be interesting to see how it pans out. Some of the people I follow think that the worry about waning B cell immunity is overblown, and that T cell immunity is what we really need to worry about. I think their take on the evidence is that T cell immunity, which is most protective, persists. But the idea that this destroys some sort of "mainstream narrative" is silly. We got the best vaccines we could as fast as we safely could, but we learn more about this virus every day, and so things will change. (plus obviously antigenic drift may change our response) Trouble is, no one really knows, we just need to do whatever it takes to keep everyone safe, it was disappointingly quiet at our site today, but then we have double jabbed most of our population down here.x Absolutely. Not a criticism of you - I've got nothing but praise for what you're doing. Just, we don't know yet. I do think a booster is a sensible precautionary measure, particularly in the most vulnerable. (And the idea that a booster means that the official narrative is wrong is... silly) Didn't take it personally and thank you, we have the day job to do but this is all consuming, going to be offering the booster with the flu it seems, logistical bloody nightmare, when is there time for shagging?!!! thats right, the flu is making a come back after being given a 12 month holiday "
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" We are already planning for the booster alongside the flu from September Yes, it's not news to me. Reckon it will be a couple of years of the same It'll be interesting to see how it pans out. Some of the people I follow think that the worry about waning B cell immunity is overblown, and that T cell immunity is what we really need to worry about. I think their take on the evidence is that T cell immunity, which is most protective, persists. But the idea that this destroys some sort of "mainstream narrative" is silly. We got the best vaccines we could as fast as we safely could, but we learn more about this virus every day, and so things will change. (plus obviously antigenic drift may change our response) Trouble is, no one really knows, we just need to do whatever it takes to keep everyone safe, it was disappointingly quiet at our site today, but then we have double jabbed most of our population down here.x Absolutely. Not a criticism of you - I've got nothing but praise for what you're doing. Just, we don't know yet. I do think a booster is a sensible precautionary measure, particularly in the most vulnerable. (And the idea that a booster means that the official narrative is wrong is... silly) Didn't take it personally and thank you, we have the day job to do but this is all consuming, going to be offering the booster with the flu it seems, logistical bloody nightmare, when is there time for shagging?!!! thats right, the flu is making a come back after being given a 12 month holiday
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" We are already planning for the booster alongside the flu from September Yes, it's not news to me. Reckon it will be a couple of years of the same It'll be interesting to see how it pans out. Some of the people I follow think that the worry about waning B cell immunity is overblown, and that T cell immunity is what we really need to worry about. I think their take on the evidence is that T cell immunity, which is most protective, persists. But the idea that this destroys some sort of "mainstream narrative" is silly. We got the best vaccines we could as fast as we safely could, but we learn more about this virus every day, and so things will change. (plus obviously antigenic drift may change our response) Trouble is, no one really knows, we just need to do whatever it takes to keep everyone safe, it was disappointingly quiet at our site today, but then we have double jabbed most of our population down here.x Absolutely. Not a criticism of you - I've got nothing but praise for what you're doing. Just, we don't know yet. I do think a booster is a sensible precautionary measure, particularly in the most vulnerable. (And the idea that a booster means that the official narrative is wrong is... silly) Didn't take it personally and thank you, we have the day job to do but this is all consuming, going to be offering the booster with the flu it seems, logistical bloody nightmare, when is there time for shagging?!!! thats right, the flu is making a come back after being given a 12 month holiday
Imagine suppressing a more contagious virus and in doing so suppressing a less contagious virus. The conspiracy
Haha, how very dare we?!!!"I am expecting an influx of colds and flus this year. Remember the flu? This winter maybe the most challenging yet with things open and the human body not used to fighting off strains due to isolation policies. Oh had a thought... the government could garner up this winters cold and flu stats and present them as covid sufferers. Wouldn't that be novel | |||
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" We are already planning for the booster alongside the flu from September Yes, it's not news to me. Reckon it will be a couple of years of the same It'll be interesting to see how it pans out. Some of the people I follow think that the worry about waning B cell immunity is overblown, and that T cell immunity is what we really need to worry about. I think their take on the evidence is that T cell immunity, which is most protective, persists. But the idea that this destroys some sort of "mainstream narrative" is silly. We got the best vaccines we could as fast as we safely could, but we learn more about this virus every day, and so things will change. (plus obviously antigenic drift may change our response) Trouble is, no one really knows, we just need to do whatever it takes to keep everyone safe, it was disappointingly quiet at our site today, but then we have double jabbed most of our population down here.x Absolutely. Not a criticism of you - I've got nothing but praise for what you're doing. Just, we don't know yet. I do think a booster is a sensible precautionary measure, particularly in the most vulnerable. (And the idea that a booster means that the official narrative is wrong is... silly) Didn't take it personally and thank you, we have the day job to do but this is all consuming, going to be offering the booster with the flu it seems, logistical bloody nightmare, when is there time for shagging?!!! thats right, the flu is making a come back after being given a 12 month holiday
Imagine suppressing a more contagious virus and in doing so suppressing a less contagious virus. The conspiracy
Haha, how very dare we?!!!
I am expecting an influx of colds and flus this year. Remember the flu? This winter maybe the most challenging yet with things open and the human body not used to fighting off strains due to isolation policies.
Oh had a thought... the government could garner up this winters cold and flu stats and present them as covid sufferers. Wouldn't that be novel "Maybe this winter people will realise that respiratory viruses all spread in similar ways. That'd be very novel. Or maybe they'll come up with some independent arguments of each other, providing evidence of being independent thinkers rather than just regurgitating nonsense | |||
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" We are already planning for the booster alongside the flu from September Yes, it's not news to me. Reckon it will be a couple of years of the same It'll be interesting to see how it pans out. Some of the people I follow think that the worry about waning B cell immunity is overblown, and that T cell immunity is what we really need to worry about. I think their take on the evidence is that T cell immunity, which is most protective, persists. But the idea that this destroys some sort of "mainstream narrative" is silly. We got the best vaccines we could as fast as we safely could, but we learn more about this virus every day, and so things will change. (plus obviously antigenic drift may change our response)" I vaguely remember reading a report that people in the Far East infected in the first sars epidemic were still showing T Cell immunity all these years later. | |||
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" We are already planning for the booster alongside the flu from September Yes, it's not news to me. Reckon it will be a couple of years of the same It'll be interesting to see how it pans out. Some of the people I follow think that the worry about waning B cell immunity is overblown, and that T cell immunity is what we really need to worry about. I think their take on the evidence is that T cell immunity, which is most protective, persists. But the idea that this destroys some sort of "mainstream narrative" is silly. We got the best vaccines we could as fast as we safely could, but we learn more about this virus every day, and so things will change. (plus obviously antigenic drift may change our response) I vaguely remember reading a report that people in the Far East infected in the first sars epidemic were still showing T Cell immunity all these years later." Yes, I've heard similarly. I think it's probably sensible to give boosters to the most vulnerable, because it's low risk and we don't yet know what will wane and in who. We can't afford another episode like last January, even if we only care about "any health issue that's not Covid". Investigation will be ongoing. | |||
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