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"the "my cab is my home" argument is a non starter unless the driver owned the lorry and was sub contracting. As a sub contractor he has no employment contract with the employer. If its a company vehicle then company rules apply as its their "premises". If the drivers action caused a problem with a customer then this would likely be dismissable under an employment contract. Rather than go to court, just wear a mask." i agree with this, its not even virus specific, if your employer asks you to wear ppe in your place of work and you refuse its a sackable offence - even if its as petty as a hair net or gloves | |||
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"the "my cab is my home" argument is a non starter unless the driver owned the lorry and was sub contracting. As a sub contractor he has no employment contract with the employer. If its a company vehicle then company rules apply as its their "premises". If the drivers action caused a problem with a customer then this would likely be dismissable under an employment contract. Rather than go to court, just wear a mask." Wow you’re a clever bunny ! Sexy lawyer we reckon | |||
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"the "my cab is my home" argument is a non starter unless the driver owned the lorry and was sub contracting. As a sub contractor he has no employment contract with the employer. If its a company vehicle then company rules apply as its their "premises". If the drivers action caused a problem with a customer then this would likely be dismissable under an employment contract. Rather than go to court, just wear a mask." I also agree. It's no different to asking him to wear sensible shoes or a uniform. Unless he does own the truck and is self employed which is highly u likely. | |||
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"I bet he wishes he'd just put the mask on." Loads of jobs for hgv drivers, doubt he was without one for long | |||
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"I bet he wishes he'd just put the mask on. Loads of jobs for hgv drivers, doubt he was without one for long" And then he went through all this legal shit. | |||
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"the "my cab is my home" argument is a non starter unless the driver owned the lorry and was sub contracting. As a sub contractor he has no employment contract with the employer. If its a company vehicle then company rules apply as its their "premises". If the drivers action caused a problem with a customer then this would likely be dismissable under an employment contract. Rather than go to court, just wear a mask. i agree with this, its not even virus specific, if your employer asks you to wear ppe in your place of work and you refuse its a sackable offence - even if its as petty as a hair net or gloves " 
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"Why would you need to wear a mask if your alone in your cab? Same applies to high vis vest and hard hats ... " It not the why that matters it the case of company/contractors policy | |||
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"the "my cab is my home" argument is a non starter unless the driver owned the lorry and was sub contracting. As a sub contractor he has no employment contract with the employer. If its a company vehicle then company rules apply as its their "premises". If the drivers action caused a problem with a customer then this would likely be dismissable under an employment contract. Rather than go to court, just wear a mask. I also agree. It's no different to asking him to wear sensible shoes or a uniform. Unless he does own the truck and is self employed which is highly u likely." even if self employed i would expect ppe requirements to be written into a contract matching what is expected of the employees for example when companies based in offices bring in contractors they still need to follow the same rules about id and access badges etc - being self employed doesn’t out you outside the rules of a company if you choose to contract for them | |||
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"Why would you need to wear a mask if your alone in your cab? Same applies to high vis vest and hard hats ... It not the why that matters it the case of company/contractors policy " Common sense out the window in other words | |||
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"A delivery driver is believed to be the first worker in Britain sacked for refusing to wear a face mask during the pandemic - inside his lorry. Deimantas Kubilius was fired following the incident two months into the first national lockdown in 2020, and has now lost a subsequent legal battle against the dismissal. The driver 'dug his heels in' when he arrived to make a delivery at a Tate and Lyle sugar refinery and ignored their requests for him to put on a mask in the cab of his HGV as part of their new Covid-19 rules. Bosses at the site were concerned he could pass on the virus while speaking out of the window. But Mr Kubilius argued 'my cab is my home' and refused to comply. The driver - who agreed to wear a mask outside of his lorry - was sacked as a result of his stance and then launched legal action against his company. But Kubilius has now lost his case after a judge ruled distribution firm Kent Foods was entitled to fire him, in what is thought to be the first of case its kind in Britain. https://www.msn.com/en-gb/cars/news/driver-first-worker-in-britain-sacked-for-refusing-to-wear-mask/ar-BB1dQ2FD?ocid=msedgntp" Good | |||
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"Why would you need to wear a mask if your alone in your cab? Same applies to high vis vest and hard hats ... It not the why that matters it the case of company/contractors policy Common sense out the window in other words " Yours most definitely yes | |||
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"Why would you need to wear a mask if your alone in your cab? Same applies to high vis vest and hard hats ... It not the why that matters it the case of company/contractors policy Common sense out the window in other words " in other words if you sign a contract be that employment or otherwise, read the terms and make sure you are happy to abide by them first because acting like a petulant child, nobody tells me what to do, will get you nowhere in life | |||
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"Why would you need to wear a mask if your alone in your cab? Same applies to high vis vest and hard hats ... It not the why that matters it the case of company/contractors policy Common sense out the window in other words in other words if you sign a contract be that employment or otherwise, read the terms and make sure you are happy to abide by them first because acting like a petulant child, nobody tells me what to do, will get you nowhere in life " So whose going to be infected in his cab, simple question ?? | |||
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"Why would you need to wear a mask if your alone in your cab? Same applies to high vis vest and hard hats ... It not the why that matters it the case of company/contractors policy Common sense out the window in other words in other words if you sign a contract be that employment or otherwise, read the terms and make sure you are happy to abide by them first because acting like a petulant child, nobody tells me what to do, will get you nowhere in life So whose going to be infected in his cab, simple question ??" perhaps the next driver that could possibly drive his truck or perhaps the mechanic who services the vehicle next | |||
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"Why would you need to wear a mask if your alone in your cab? Same applies to high vis vest and hard hats ... It not the why that matters it the case of company/contractors policy Common sense out the window in other words in other words if you sign a contract be that employment or otherwise, read the terms and make sure you are happy to abide by them first because acting like a petulant child, nobody tells me what to do, will get you nowhere in life So whose going to be infected in his cab, simple question ?? perhaps the next driver that could possibly drive his truck or perhaps the mechanic who services the vehicle next " Protocol should be in place to clean the cab, if you were wearing a mask or not ... Next one  | |||
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"Why would you need to wear a mask if your alone in your cab? Same applies to high vis vest and hard hats ... It not the why that matters it the case of company/contractors policy Common sense out the window in other words in other words if you sign a contract be that employment or otherwise, read the terms and make sure you are happy to abide by them first because acting like a petulant child, nobody tells me what to do, will get you nowhere in life So whose going to be infected in his cab, simple question ?? perhaps the next driver that could possibly drive his truck or perhaps the mechanic who services the vehicle next Protocol should be in place to clean the cab, if you were wearing a mask or not ... Next one "Its rather simple, you either obey the rules of your employer or you don't! if you don't you get sacked. | |||
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"Why would you need to wear a mask if your alone in your cab? Same applies to high vis vest and hard hats ... It not the why that matters it the case of company/contractors policy Common sense out the window in other words in other words if you sign a contract be that employment or otherwise, read the terms and make sure you are happy to abide by them first because acting like a petulant child, nobody tells me what to do, will get you nowhere in life So whose going to be infected in his cab, simple question ?? perhaps the next driver that could possibly drive his truck or perhaps the mechanic who services the vehicle next Protocol should be in place to clean the cab, if you were wearing a mask or not ... Next one "it’s about reducing the risk and people like him don’t help the situation as it’s been proven that’s why we are still in the same position as last year due to selfish people like him | |||
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"Why would you need to wear a mask if your alone in your cab? Same applies to high vis vest and hard hats ... It not the why that matters it the case of company/contractors policy Common sense out the window in other words in other words if you sign a contract be that employment or otherwise, read the terms and make sure you are happy to abide by them first because acting like a petulant child, nobody tells me what to do, will get you nowhere in life So whose going to be infected in his cab, simple question ?? perhaps the next driver that could possibly drive his truck or perhaps the mechanic who services the vehicle next Protocol should be in place to clean the cab, if you were wearing a mask or not ... Next one "Your argument is irrelevant The company enforcement of policy superseds your incorrect opinion. Next  | |||
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"Why would you need to wear a mask if your alone in your cab? Same applies to high vis vest and hard hats ... It not the why that matters it the case of company/contractors policy Common sense out the window in other words in other words if you sign a contract be that employment or otherwise, read the terms and make sure you are happy to abide by them first because acting like a petulant child, nobody tells me what to do, will get you nowhere in life So whose going to be infected in his cab, simple question ?? perhaps the next driver that could possibly drive his truck or perhaps the mechanic who services the vehicle next Protocol should be in place to clean the cab, if you were wearing a mask or not ... Next one
Your argument is irrelevant
The company enforcement of policy superseds your incorrect opinion.
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"Why would you need to wear a mask if your alone in your cab? Same applies to high vis vest and hard hats ... It not the why that matters it the case of company/contractors policy Common sense out the window in other words in other words if you sign a contract be that employment or otherwise, read the terms and make sure you are happy to abide by them first because acting like a petulant child, nobody tells me what to do, will get you nowhere in life So whose going to be infected in his cab, simple question ?? perhaps the next driver that could possibly drive his truck or perhaps the mechanic who services the vehicle next Protocol should be in place to clean the cab, if you were wearing a mask or not ... Next one it’s about reducing the risk and people like him don’t help the situation as it’s been proven that’s why we are still in the same position as last year due to selfish people like him "How so? You cab, work space should be wiped clean after ever shift, again who is he affecting? | |||
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"Why would you need to wear a mask if your alone in your cab? Same applies to high vis vest and hard hats ... It not the why that matters it the case of company/contractors policy Common sense out the window in other words in other words if you sign a contract be that employment or otherwise, read the terms and make sure you are happy to abide by them first because acting like a petulant child, nobody tells me what to do, will get you nowhere in life So whose going to be infected in his cab, simple question ?? perhaps the next driver that could possibly drive his truck or perhaps the mechanic who services the vehicle next Protocol should be in place to clean the cab, if you were wearing a mask or not ... Next one
Its rather simple, you either obey the rules of your employer or you don't! if you don't you get sacked."Sounds so obvious when you say it like that doesn't it. 
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"Why would you need to wear a mask if your alone in your cab? Same applies to high vis vest and hard hats ... It not the why that matters it the case of company/contractors policy Common sense out the window in other words in other words if you sign a contract be that employment or otherwise, read the terms and make sure you are happy to abide by them first because acting like a petulant child, nobody tells me what to do, will get you nowhere in life So whose going to be infected in his cab, simple question ?? perhaps the next driver that could possibly drive his truck or perhaps the mechanic who services the vehicle next Protocol should be in place to clean the cab, if you were wearing a mask or not ... Next one it’s about reducing the risk and people like him don’t help the situation as it’s been proven that’s why we are still in the same position as last year due to selfish people like him
How so? You cab, work space should be wiped clean after ever shift, again who is he affecting? "Everyone he comes into contact with. You can train kittens to poop in a litter tray quicker than you can train some humans. E | |||
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"Why would you need to wear a mask if your alone in your cab? Same applies to high vis vest and hard hats ... It not the why that matters it the case of company/contractors policy Common sense out the window in other words in other words if you sign a contract be that employment or otherwise, read the terms and make sure you are happy to abide by them first because acting like a petulant child, nobody tells me what to do, will get you nowhere in life So whose going to be infected in his cab, simple question ?? perhaps the next driver that could possibly drive his truck or perhaps the mechanic who services the vehicle next Protocol should be in place to clean the cab, if you were wearing a mask or not ... Next one it’s about reducing the risk and people like him don’t help the situation as it’s been proven that’s why we are still in the same position as last year due to selfish people like him
How so? You cab, work space should be wiped clean after ever shift, again who is he affecting? "yes I agree it should be wiped down and as I said to minimise the risk he should put the mask on it’s not just for the well-being of others it’s also reduced the risk of him getting COVID and his wife and his kids and there friends and so on | |||
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"Why would you need to wear a mask if your alone in your cab? Same applies to high vis vest and hard hats ... It not the why that matters it the case of company/contractors policy Common sense out the window in other words in other words if you sign a contract be that employment or otherwise, read the terms and make sure you are happy to abide by them first because acting like a petulant child, nobody tells me what to do, will get you nowhere in life So whose going to be infected in his cab, simple question ?? perhaps the next driver that could possibly drive his truck or perhaps the mechanic who services the vehicle next Protocol should be in place to clean the cab, if you were wearing a mask or not ... Next one it’s about reducing the risk and people like him don’t help the situation as it’s been proven that’s why we are still in the same position as last year due to selfish people like him
How so? You cab, work space should be wiped clean after ever shift, again who is he affecting?
Everyone he comes into contact with.
You can train kittens to poop in a litter tray quicker than you can train some humans.
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"Why would you need to wear a mask if your alone in your cab? Same applies to high vis vest and hard hats ... It not the why that matters it the case of company/contractors policy Common sense out the window in other words in other words if you sign a contract be that employment or otherwise, read the terms and make sure you are happy to abide by them first because acting like a petulant child, nobody tells me what to do, will get you nowhere in life So whose going to be infected in his cab, simple question ?? perhaps the next driver that could possibly drive his truck or perhaps the mechanic who services the vehicle next Protocol should be in place to clean the cab, if you were wearing a mask or not ... Next one it’s about reducing the risk and people like him don’t help the situation as it’s been proven that’s why we are still in the same position as last year due to selfish people like him
How so? You cab, work space should be wiped clean after ever shift, again who is he affecting? yes I agree it should be wiped down and as I said to minimise the risk he should put the mask on it’s not just for the well-being of others it’s also reduced the risk of him getting COVID and his wife and his kids and there friends and so on"Was his wife and kids in the cab with him? ... | |||
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"Why would you need to wear a mask if your alone in your cab? Same applies to high vis vest and hard hats ... It not the why that matters it the case of company/contractors policy Common sense out the window in other words in other words if you sign a contract be that employment or otherwise, read the terms and make sure you are happy to abide by them first because acting like a petulant child, nobody tells me what to do, will get you nowhere in life So whose going to be infected in his cab, simple question ?? perhaps the next driver that could possibly drive his truck or perhaps the mechanic who services the vehicle next Protocol should be in place to clean the cab, if you were wearing a mask or not ... Next one it’s about reducing the risk and people like him don’t help the situation as it’s been proven that’s why we are still in the same position as last year due to selfish people like him
How so? You cab, work space should be wiped clean after ever shift, again who is he affecting? yes I agree it should be wiped down and as I said to minimise the risk he should put the mask on it’s not just for the well-being of others it’s also reduced the risk of him getting COVID and his wife and his kids and there friends and so on
Was his wife and kids in the cab with him? ..."who knows or he could catch it and take it home and for the sake of wearing it he could perhaps reduce the risk of spreading it just a thought | |||
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"Why would you need to wear a mask if your alone in your cab? Same applies to high vis vest and hard hats ... It not the why that matters it the case of company/contractors policy Common sense out the window in other words in other words if you sign a contract be that employment or otherwise, read the terms and make sure you are happy to abide by them first because acting like a petulant child, nobody tells me what to do, will get you nowhere in life So whose going to be infected in his cab, simple question ?? perhaps the next driver that could possibly drive his truck or perhaps the mechanic who services the vehicle next Protocol should be in place to clean the cab, if you were wearing a mask or not ... Next one it’s about reducing the risk and people like him don’t help the situation as it’s been proven that’s why we are still in the same position as last year due to selfish people like him
How so? You cab, work space should be wiped clean after ever shift, again who is he affecting? yes I agree it should be wiped down and as I said to minimise the risk he should put the mask on it’s not just for the well-being of others it’s also reduced the risk of him getting COVID and his wife and his kids and there friends and so on
Was his wife and kids in the cab with him? ... who knows or he could catch it and take it home and for the sake of wearing it he could perhaps reduce the risk of spreading it just a thought "How will he catch it if the cab has been cleaned? | |||
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"I think it's a shame it had to come to that. At the end of the day employees need to follow health and safety policies of customers and employers. But surely would have been better if they could have kissed and made up and "trained" the fellow with a publicity picture of him in his cab kingdom with a mask and a smile. " It's an industry to itself now, how much money is involved in poe and liquids etc if your in the right circle, then a licence to print money, especially those in the handshaking brigade. Don't forget those that do tribunals are also in that movement... one judgement makes a friend a lot of money | |||
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"I think it's a shame it had to come to that. At the end of the day employees need to follow health and safety policies of customers and employers. But surely would have been better if they could have kissed and made up and "trained" the fellow with a publicity picture of him in his cab kingdom with a mask and a smile. " Some people just think rules do not apply to them,in the current climate the company had no choice. The problem I find is why money was wasted on a tribunal it was cut and tried so he had no right to get this tribunal,lawyers making money again under false pretences | |||
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"Why would you need to wear a mask if your alone in your cab? Same applies to high vis vest and hard hats ... It not the why that matters it the case of company/contractors policy Common sense out the window in other words in other words if you sign a contract be that employment or otherwise, read the terms and make sure you are happy to abide by them first because acting like a petulant child, nobody tells me what to do, will get you nowhere in life So whose going to be infected in his cab, simple question ?? perhaps the next driver that could possibly drive his truck or perhaps the mechanic who services the vehicle next Protocol should be in place to clean the cab, if you were wearing a mask or not ... Next one it’s about reducing the risk and people like him don’t help the situation as it’s been proven that’s why we are still in the same position as last year due to selfish people like him
How so? You cab, work space should be wiped clean after ever shift, again who is he affecting? yes I agree it should be wiped down and as I said to minimise the risk he should put the mask on it’s not just for the well-being of others it’s also reduced the risk of him getting COVID and his wife and his kids and there friends and so on
Was his wife and kids in the cab with him? ... who knows or he could catch it and take it home and for the sake of wearing it he could perhaps reduce the risk of spreading it just a thought
How will he catch it if the cab has been cleaned?"You know those times when people are beligerently argumentative, just for the sake of it? Those........ E | |||
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"Why would you need to wear a mask if your alone in your cab? Same applies to high vis vest and hard hats ... It not the why that matters it the case of company/contractors policy Common sense out the window in other words in other words if you sign a contract be that employment or otherwise, read the terms and make sure you are happy to abide by them first because acting like a petulant child, nobody tells me what to do, will get you nowhere in life So whose going to be infected in his cab, simple question ?? perhaps the next driver that could possibly drive his truck or perhaps the mechanic who services the vehicle next Protocol should be in place to clean the cab, if you were wearing a mask or not ... Next one it’s about reducing the risk and people like him don’t help the situation as it’s been proven that’s why we are still in the same position as last year due to selfish people like him
How so? You cab, work space should be wiped clean after ever shift, again who is he affecting? yes I agree it should be wiped down and as I said to minimise the risk he should put the mask on it’s not just for the well-being of others it’s also reduced the risk of him getting COVID and his wife and his kids and there friends and so on
Was his wife and kids in the cab with him? ... who knows or he could catch it and take it home and for the sake of wearing it he could perhaps reduce the risk of spreading it just a thought
How will he catch it if the cab has been cleaned?
You know those times when people are beligerently argumentative, just for the sake of it?
Those........
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" if or how he could catch it is irrelevant his employer has a rule, he refused to follow the rule , a tribunal has ruled it was reasonable to sack him on these grounds some people just have real issues with authority of any kind and like this example it works to their detriment " Yup, some people seem to be argumentative purely for the sake of it. It's an entirely unfounded sense of entitlement. And one that's too often costly to the believer. Comes as a rude awakening sometimes. E | |||
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"Why would you need to wear a mask if your alone in your cab? Same applies to high vis vest and hard hats ... It not the why that matters it the case of company/contractors policy Common sense out the window in other words in other words if you sign a contract be that employment or otherwise, read the terms and make sure you are happy to abide by them first because acting like a petulant child, nobody tells me what to do, will get you nowhere in life So whose going to be infected in his cab, simple question ?? perhaps the next driver that could possibly drive his truck or perhaps the mechanic who services the vehicle next Protocol should be in place to clean the cab, if you were wearing a mask or not ... Next one it’s about reducing the risk and people like him don’t help the situation as it’s been proven that’s why we are still in the same position as last year due to selfish people like him
How so? You cab, work space should be wiped clean after ever shift, again who is he affecting? yes I agree it should be wiped down and as I said to minimise the risk he should put the mask on it’s not just for the well-being of others it’s also reduced the risk of him getting COVID and his wife and his kids and there friends and so on
Was his wife and kids in the cab with him? ... who knows or he could catch it and take it home and for the sake of wearing it he could perhaps reduce the risk of spreading it just a thought
How will he catch it if the cab has been cleaned?
You know those times when people are beligerently argumentative, just for the sake of it?
Those........
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"Why would you need to wear a mask if your alone in your cab? Same applies to high vis vest and hard hats ... It not the why that matters it the case of company/contractors policy Common sense out the window in other words in other words if you sign a contract be that employment or otherwise, read the terms and make sure you are happy to abide by them first because acting like a petulant child, nobody tells me what to do, will get you nowhere in life So whose going to be infected in his cab, simple question ?? perhaps the next driver that could possibly drive his truck or perhaps the mechanic who services the vehicle next Protocol should be in place to clean the cab, if you were wearing a mask or not ... Next one it’s about reducing the risk and people like him don’t help the situation as it’s been proven that’s why we are still in the same position as last year due to selfish people like him
How so? You cab, work space should be wiped clean after ever shift, again who is he affecting? yes I agree it should be wiped down and as I said to minimise the risk he should put the mask on it’s not just for the well-being of others it’s also reduced the risk of him getting COVID and his wife and his kids and there friends and so on
Was his wife and kids in the cab with him? ... who knows or he could catch it and take it home and for the sake of wearing it he could perhaps reduce the risk of spreading it just a thought
How will he catch it if the cab has been cleaned?
You know those times when people are beligerently argumentative, just for the sake of it?
Those........
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"Why would you need to wear a mask if your alone in your cab? Same applies to high vis vest and hard hats ... It not the why that matters it the case of company/contractors policy Common sense out the window in other words in other words if you sign a contract be that employment or otherwise, read the terms and make sure you are happy to abide by them first because acting like a petulant child, nobody tells me what to do, will get you nowhere in life So whose going to be infected in his cab, simple question ?? perhaps the next driver that could possibly drive his truck or perhaps the mechanic who services the vehicle next Protocol should be in place to clean the cab, if you were wearing a mask or not ... Next one it’s about reducing the risk and people like him don’t help the situation as it’s been proven that’s why we are still in the same position as last year due to selfish people like him
How so? You cab, work space should be wiped clean after ever shift, again who is he affecting? yes I agree it should be wiped down and as I said to minimise the risk he should put the mask on it’s not just for the well-being of others it’s also reduced the risk of him getting COVID and his wife and his kids and there friends and so on
Was his wife and kids in the cab with him? ... who knows or he could catch it and take it home and for the sake of wearing it he could perhaps reduce the risk of spreading it just a thought
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"Why would you need to wear a mask if your alone in your cab? Same applies to high vis vest and hard hats ... It not the why that matters it the case of company/contractors policy Common sense out the window in other words in other words if you sign a contract be that employment or otherwise, read the terms and make sure you are happy to abide by them first because acting like a petulant child, nobody tells me what to do, will get you nowhere in life So whose going to be infected in his cab, simple question ?? perhaps the next driver that could possibly drive his truck or perhaps the mechanic who services the vehicle next Protocol should be in place to clean the cab, if you were wearing a mask or not ... Next one it’s about reducing the risk and people like him don’t help the situation as it’s been proven that’s why we are still in the same position as last year due to selfish people like him
How so? You cab, work space should be wiped clean after ever shift, again who is he affecting? yes I agree it should be wiped down and as I said to minimise the risk he should put the mask on it’s not just for the well-being of others it’s also reduced the risk of him getting COVID and his wife and his kids and there friends and so on
Was his wife and kids in the cab with him? ... who knows or he could catch it and take it home and for the sake of wearing it he could perhaps reduce the risk of spreading it just a thought
How will he catch it if the cab has been cleaned?
His employers wanted him to wear a mask, he refused, he was sacked, he went to tribunal , he lost , the end "You should write the news for the BBC | |||
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"Why would you need to wear a mask if your alone in your cab? Same applies to high vis vest and hard hats ... It not the why that matters it the case of company/contractors policy Common sense out the window in other words in other words if you sign a contract be that employment or otherwise, read the terms and make sure you are happy to abide by them first because acting like a petulant child, nobody tells me what to do, will get you nowhere in life So whose going to be infected in his cab, simple question ?? perhaps the next driver that could possibly drive his truck or perhaps the mechanic who services the vehicle next Protocol should be in place to clean the cab, if you were wearing a mask or not ... Next one it’s about reducing the risk and people like him don’t help the situation as it’s been proven that’s why we are still in the same position as last year due to selfish people like him
How so? You cab, work space should be wiped clean after ever shift, again who is he affecting? yes I agree it should be wiped down and as I said to minimise the risk he should put the mask on it’s not just for the well-being of others it’s also reduced the risk of him getting COVID and his wife and his kids and there friends and so on
Was his wife and kids in the cab with him? ... who knows or he could catch it and take it home and for the sake of wearing it he could perhaps reduce the risk of spreading it just a thought
How will he catch it if the cab has been cleaned?
His employers wanted him to wear a mask, he refused, he was sacked, he went to tribunal , he lost , the end
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"the facts have been discussed in a tribunal court , the facts are the company were well within their rights to dismiss what are those facts getting in the way of? " Facts often get in the way round these parts, as you well know | |||
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"A delivery driver is believed to be the first worker in Britain sacked for refusing to wear a face mask during the pandemic - inside his lorry. Deimantas Kubilius was fired following the incident two months into the first national lockdown in 2020, and has now lost a subsequent legal battle against the dismissal. The driver 'dug his heels in' when he arrived to make a delivery at a Tate and Lyle sugar refinery and ignored their requests for him to put on a mask in the cab of his HGV as part of their new Covid-19 rules. Bosses at the site were concerned he could pass on the virus while speaking out of the window. But Mr Kubilius argued 'my cab is my home' and refused to comply. The driver - who agreed to wear a mask outside of his lorry - was sacked as a result of his stance and then launched legal action against his company. But Kubilius has now lost his case after a judge ruled distribution firm Kent Foods was entitled to fire him, in what is thought to be the first of case its kind in Britain. https://www.msn.com/en-gb/cars/news/driver-first-worker-in-britain-sacked-for-refusing-to-wear-mask/ar-BB1dQ2FD?ocid=msedgntp" if the above is true i make him right.its like people alone driving in cars(mask perverts)it equals to sitting indoors alone wearing a condom  | |||
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"The drivers that come into our yard put a mask on as the drive in, and keep it on as they talk to us and we unload them, when they have finished they drive out and can remove the masks, out fork truck drivers wear masks as they unload the lorry as well. I don't think anyone was suggesting that he should have driven all day in the mask; just in the company yards and he refused (if i have read it correctly) so sacked for being a stubborn idiot in my mind." And if he was a contract owner driver,he wouldn't have a leg to stand on with the meaningless contracts the big corparates get away with regardless of any virus | |||
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"Why would you need to wear a mask if your alone in your cab? Same applies to high vis vest and hard hats ... It not the why that matters it the case of company/contractors policy Common sense out the window in other words " I think the common sense approach is follow your employers H and S policy, regardless of whether you agree with it or not. Because, you know, doing that is unlikely to get you sacked. E | |||
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" Common sense out the window in other words " No it was maskless words spoken out of the window to his employers customers, that was the problem (it was mentioned in the OP). | |||
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"The drivers that come into our yard put a mask on as the drive in, and keep it on as they talk to us and we unload them, when they have finished they drive out and can remove the masks, out fork truck drivers wear masks as they unload the lorry as well. I don't think anyone was suggesting that he should have driven all day in the mask; just in the company yards and he refused (if i have read it correctly) so sacked for being a stubborn idiot in my mind." | |||
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"I bet he wishes he'd just put the mask on. Loads of jobs for hgv drivers, doubt he was without one for long And then he went through all this legal shit." Probably thought he would get some compensation | |||
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"Do as your told on whoevers premises your on , if i was working in warsaw im in their country and would have to obey be their rules and regs , it wouldnt surprise me if he was wearing flip flops ! I s e so many drivers like this who think theier on bloody holiday !!! Zero sympathy !!" This. | |||
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"the "my cab is my home" argument is a non starter unless the driver owned the lorry and was sub contracting. As a sub contractor he has no employment contract with the employer. If its a company vehicle then company rules apply as its their "premises". If the drivers action caused a problem with a customer then this would likely be dismissable under an employment contract. Rather than go to court, just wear a mask. I also agree. It's no different to asking him to wear sensible shoes or a uniform. Unless he does own the truck and is self employed which is highly u likely." Even then they can refuse access to site! I(The Boy) work in lots of sites. They can ask for any ppe to be worn at any time. | |||
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" it’s about reducing the risk and people like him don’t help the situation as it’s been proven that’s why we are still in the same position as last year due to selfish people like him " Been proven that masks do so much that "EXPERTS" have now recommended you wear 2 or more at a time.... Were in this position because of idiots deciding to gather in groups of 10,000 last summer to protest bullshit that didn't even occur in our country. We are in this position because the under 30s cant help but try and be cool by opening nightclubs secretly. It's not because random guy #4973 wont wear a mask in the cab of his vehicle. Did he deserve to lose his job... no. Should he have just worn a mask... Personal decisions are not for the herd to make. | |||
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" it’s about reducing the risk and people like him don’t help the situation as it’s been proven that’s why we are still in the same position as last year due to selfish people like him Been proven that masks do so much that "EXPERTS" have now recommended you wear 2 or more at a time.... Were in this position because of idiots deciding to gather in groups of 10,000 last summer to protest bullshit that didn't even occur in our country. We are in this position because the under 30s cant help but try and be cool by opening nightclubs secretly. It's not because random guy #4973 wont wear a mask in the cab of his vehicle. Did he deserve to lose his job... no. Should he have just worn a mask... Personal decisions are not for the herd to make." so masks don’t work ? Are you saying that they don’t help prevent the spread ?  | |||
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"From reading it, it looks like maybe while driving he didnt need to wear it but while talking to people outside his window he still refused. Either way he was warned more than once. I worked in hospitality while studying during first lockdown and weren't mandatory. I chose to wear them so I could mouth 'fuck you' to people that annoyed me." Such an attitude..... | |||
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" so masks don’t work ? Are you saying that they don’t help prevent the spread ? "I'm saying that experts are so confident on the masks ability to prevent spread and infection that they are now saying wear multiple. It's not a jumper in the cold..."just throw another layer on you'll be ok" If we are going to start firing people for the masks how about we provide masks that are effective, and then maybe I'd be sympathetic to the company. | |||
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" so masks don’t work ? Are you saying that they don’t help prevent the spread ?
I'm saying that experts are so confident on the masks ability to prevent spread and infection that they are now saying wear multiple.
It's not a jumper in the cold..."just throw another layer on you'll be ok"
If we are going to start firing people for the masks how about we provide masks that are effective, and then maybe I'd be sympathetic to the company."he got fired because he didn’t stick to the company’s protocol on Covid regardless Of how many masks you say the EXPERTS say we need to put on can you tell me how I can find this information regarding the multiple wearing of masks | |||
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" so masks don’t work ? Are you saying that they don’t help prevent the spread ?
I'm saying that experts are so confident on the masks ability to prevent spread and infection that they are now saying wear multiple.
It's not a jumper in the cold..."just throw another layer on you'll be ok"
If we are going to start firing people for the masks how about we provide masks that are effective, and then maybe I'd be sympathetic to the company."The issue isn't about the efficacy of any mask. It's about following company policy. It's not hard. There are lots of company policies I'm sure. Turning up on time might be one. Not smoking might be one. Don't break the speed limit might be one. None of those prevent spread of infection either but it's reasonable to ask employees to follow them. | |||
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" so masks don’t work ? Are you saying that they don’t help prevent the spread ?
I'm saying that experts are so confident on the masks ability to prevent spread and infection that they are now saying wear multiple.
It's not a jumper in the cold..."just throw another layer on you'll be ok"
If we are going to start firing people for the masks how about we provide masks that are effective, and then maybe I'd be sympathetic to the company."Do you have a link to any experts advising wearing more than one mask. Thanks. E | |||
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" so masks don’t work ? Are you saying that they don’t help prevent the spread ?
I'm saying that experts are so confident on the masks ability to prevent spread and infection that they are now saying wear multiple.
It's not a jumper in the cold..."just throw another layer on you'll be ok"
If we are going to start firing people for the masks how about we provide masks that are effective, and then maybe I'd be sympathetic to the company."I have every sympathy for the company. Business is tough at the moment and a h&s breach at a clients premises could be enough to lose an important contract which in turn could lead to multiple job loses all down to one persons disregard for their employer and work colleagues. | |||
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" if or how he could catch it is irrelevant his employer has a rule, he refused to follow the rule , a tribunal has ruled it was reasonable to sack him on these grounds some people just have real issues with authority of any kind and like this example it works to their detriment " I'm never sure if it's Covid specific or they're like this with everything  | |||
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" I have every sympathy for the company. Business is tough at the moment and a h&s breach at a clients premises could be enough to lose an important contract which in turn could lead to multiple job loses all down to one persons disregard for their employer and work colleagues." Then employers should be supplying masks that are air tight, and act as a respirator. If you give me a hoodie and tell me its bulletproof i have every right to say I'm not wearing it in a gun fight | |||
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" Going slightly off piste but you make a good point as far as the "science". When we are passionately told we must "follow the scientists" which ones do we follow as there is no one right answer for much of this. " It's hard to know. Messages get muddied and science is a process not a set of answers. I try to follow what seems to be right and find out what's right as best I can. There's an element of uncertainty in that. | |||
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" if or how he could catch it is irrelevant his employer has a rule, he refused to follow the rule , a tribunal has ruled it was reasonable to sack him on these grounds some people just have real issues with authority of any kind and like this example it works to their detriment I'm never sure if it's Covid specific or they're like this with everything "I think some people have an appalling attitude to rules. Probably because they were never given any as children and continue to act like spoilt 9 year olds throughout their adult life. Some people grow out of it. Some don't. Even on this thread you can see the immaturity. Arguing about irrelevances to the case, making up excuses, throwing random circumstances, while ignoring the actual facts. It doesn't matter if he was alone in the cab. It doesn't matter if the cab was disinfected. The rules were quite clear. Man broke the rules. Man got sacked. It's. Really. Simple. E | |||
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"That's more my point than anything. I'm furloughed but work as a chef, I dont agree with draconian lockdowns and mandatory masks ect... But would wear a mask in work even when advice stated masks weren't required in groups less than 4. But if my company decides to fire somebody for not wearing a inefficient mask, I dont think I'd be working for them much longer." So man was asked to wear a mask on the basis of the mask guidance at the time. But we should judge the company based on mask guidance now? Should we also arrest my parents because they gave me the vaccines I needed in the 1980s and 1990s not the vaccines recommended in the 2010s and 2020s? And I was put on my stomach to sleep? Or do we accept that knowledge changes? | |||
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"I think he was caught in a trap, by the suspicious minds of his employers. But rules are rules." He could have walked out though. | |||
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" I have every sympathy for the company. Business is tough at the moment and a h&s breach at a clients premises could be enough to lose an important contract which in turn could lead to multiple job loses all down to one persons disregard for their employer and work colleagues. Then employers should be supplying masks that are air tight, and act as a respirator. If you give me a hoodie and tell me its bulletproof i have every right to say I'm not wearing it in a gun fight" The difference being you and your employer both know a mask affords protection against transmittal of the virus. You and your temper both know a hoodie won't protect you in a gunfight. You've missed the point entirely. Regardless of whether the mask is effective or not, his company H and S policy is "wear a mask" He refused to wear a mask. He was dismissed. The issue isn't mask efficiency, it's that he breached the rules. Why are people not grasping this? E | |||
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"I think he was caught in a trap, by the suspicious minds of his employers. But rules are rules." If he'd worn the mask, as required, as instructed, he wouldn't have been caught in a trap. Not that I think it was a trap in any case. Your analogy is akin to people caught speeding by speed traps. Were you speeding? Yes. Er............I think we've arrived at the crux of the problem. People don't follow rules. People get punished for not following rules. People are outraged at being punished for not following rules. From the files of "I can't believe how stupid some people are" E | |||
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"I think he was caught in a trap, by the suspicious minds of his employers. But rules are rules. He could have walked out though." Elvis has left the building | |||
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" if or how he could catch it is irrelevant his employer has a rule, he refused to follow the rule , a tribunal has ruled it was reasonable to sack him on these grounds some people just have real issues with authority of any kind and like this example it works to their detriment Yup, some people seem to be argumentative purely for the sake of it. It's an entirely unfounded sense of entitlement. And one that's too often costly to the believer. Comes as a rude awakening sometimes. E" You could say that about the first trade unionists who were argumentative with their employers about having the right for welfare breaks etc. | |||
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"Exactly information changes... So we fire anybody that hasnt read the latest guidelines? I dont agree he should be fired for not wearing a sheet of paper on his face... I do think a suspension of his contract would of been a more reasonable reaction. If the company are going to hold my living over my head based upon information that changes daily, then the company should be taking precautions to be above and beyond any mandated paper masks." He was fired for not following the rules. Even if the rules had changed and he wasn't aware of them (which is no excuse anyway) he wasn't following the instructions he was given and what he was told to do. If he'd put the mask on, he wouldn't have had a problem. Why is this so hard to understand? E | |||
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" The difference being you and your employer both know a mask affords protection against transmittal of the virus. You and your temper both know a hoodie won't protect you in a gunfight. You've missed the point entirely. Regardless of whether the mask is effective or not, his company H and S policy is "wear a mask" He refused to wear a mask. He was dismissed. The issue isn't mask efficiency, it's that he breached the rules. Why are people not grasping this? E" Masks are proven not to prevent infection or transmitting... Which is why the worlds leading health organisations are now trying to say wear multiple masks. So if the company are going to dismiss people for not following vague rules that change daily give me a fucking hazmat suit I will wear it all day and then the employer,employee and customer are protected... And then you can fire people for refusing to wear a device that is 100% protection rather than "well you should maybe wear 2 masks" | |||
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"Exactly information changes... So we fire anybody that hasnt read the latest guidelines? I dont agree he should be fired for not wearing a sheet of paper on his face... I do think a suspension of his contract would of been a more reasonable reaction. If the company are going to hold my living over my head based upon information that changes daily, then the company should be taking precautions to be above and beyond any mandated paper masks." So the company were doing the best that they knew at the time, so it's crap because the knowledge has changed now and/or you deem surgical masks inadequate? I don't know what led up to his dismissal, whether he was spoken to or disciplined first, but you seem to have an issue with masks. Last year, at that time, masks were recommended (I'm not 100% if it had filtered through to the UK yet). The company followed the recommendation. So they were up to date: what's the problem? | |||
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"Exactly information changes... So we fire anybody that hasnt read the latest guidelines? I dont agree he should be fired for not wearing a sheet of paper on his face... I do think a suspension of his contract would of been a more reasonable reaction. If the company are going to hold my living over my head based upon information that changes daily, then the company should be taking precautions to be above and beyond any mandated paper masks." I partially agree as I posted further up. Sometimes training can help. I think a better outcome could have been reached BUT I'm not party to all the facts. On your point... Read the latest guidelines... Damn straight, ignorance is not an excuse... You are responsible for you. But your employer has an obligation to ensure you have been shared and given time to stay abreast of appropriate policies. | |||
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" The difference being you and your employer both know a mask affords protection against transmittal of the virus. You and your temper both know a hoodie won't protect you in a gunfight. You've missed the point entirely. Regardless of whether the mask is effective or not, his company H and S policy is "wear a mask" He refused to wear a mask. He was dismissed. The issue isn't mask efficiency, it's that he breached the rules. Why are people not grasping this? E Masks are proven not to prevent infection or transmitting... Which is why the worlds leading health organisations are now trying to say wear multiple masks. So if the company are going to dismiss people for not following vague rules that change daily give me a fucking hazmat suit I will wear it all day and then the employer,employee and customer are protected... And then you can fire people for refusing to wear a device that is 100% protection rather than "well you should maybe wear 2 masks"" Masks are a mitigation strategy. They've never been 100% prevention. So, because masks are mitigation not prevention (as known all along) and because in 2020 they weren't following 2021 cutting edge knowledge, this is crap? I mean honestly, this doesn't pass the sniff test. | |||
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"Why would you need to wear a mask if your alone in your cab? Same applies to high vis vest and hard hats ... It not the why that matters it the case of company/contractors policy Common sense out the window in other words in other words if you sign a contract be that employment or otherwise, read the terms and make sure you are happy to abide by them first because acting like a petulant child, nobody tells me what to do, will get you nowhere in life So whose going to be infected in his cab, simple question ?? perhaps the next driver that could possibly drive his truck or perhaps the mechanic who services the vehicle next Protocol should be in place to clean the cab, if you were wearing a mask or not ... Next one it’s about reducing the risk and people like him don’t help the situation as it’s been proven that’s why we are still in the same position as last year due to selfish people like him
How so? You cab, work space should be wiped clean after ever shift, again who is he affecting? "If he doesn’t think he needs a mask what are the chances that he thinks he needs to thoroughly clean his cab after every shift? And if he doesn’t do it then he is putting someone else at risk . | |||
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" if or how he could catch it is irrelevant his employer has a rule, he refused to follow the rule , a tribunal has ruled it was reasonable to sack him on these grounds some people just have real issues with authority of any kind and like this example it works to their detriment Yup, some people seem to be argumentative purely for the sake of it. It's an entirely unfounded sense of entitlement. And one that's too often costly to the believer. Comes as a rude awakening sometimes. E You could say that about the first trade unionists who were argumentative with their employers about having the right for welfare breaks etc. " You know why companies require employees to wear PPE? It's for the protection of the employee. Something the unions rightly faught hard for, the protection and welfare of their members. Employers are now legally obliged to supply PPE to staff, at cost to the company. The staff are required to wear the PPE provided. It's like the unions faught for nothing when idiots like this disregard the very benefits the unions worked hard to get them. Interesting the unions didn't seem interested in defending the man's unfair dismissal case. E | |||
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"Exactly information changes... So we fire anybody that hasnt read the latest guidelines? I dont agree he should be fired for not wearing a sheet of paper on his face... I do think a suspension of his contract would of been a more reasonable reaction. If the company are going to hold my living over my head based upon information that changes daily, then the company should be taking precautions to be above and beyond any mandated paper masks. I partially agree as I posted further up. Sometimes training can help. I think a better outcome could have been reached BUT I'm not party to all the facts. On your point... Read the latest guidelines... Damn straight, ignorance is not an excuse... You are responsible for you. But your employer has an obligation to ensure you have been shared and given time to stay abreast of appropriate policies. " I'd suggest that the driver was kept abreast of the appropriate policies and provided with the correct PPE, but refused to comply with them. If he wasn't kept abreast or given the correct PPE, the industrial tribunal would have found in his favour. E | |||
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"Masks were proven ineffective in march 2020, hence lockdown 1. I'm not anti virus protection I'm anti bad virus protection lol. The paper mask is as effective as a chocolate teapot How many people were wearing masks in the open pubs, football games, etc in March 2020? Yes, masks that are unpurchased and unworn - in a context where social distancing isn't a thing yet - do jack shit. Congratulations I think?" It's not about how many masks you bought... Employers in march 2020 were enforcing masks correct? Employers such as mine were reporting that actions such as masks and gloves were not slowing the spread through employees. Because the masks are not fit for task and never were.. If the mask was so effective and wasnt just another 7bn blunder by the gov, you'd think maybe we wouldnt be on lockdown 3 with talks of it lasting the entire year. And I'd say the 300,000 people gathered across the country in major city centres during the 1st lockdown had just as much to do with the continued spread as and football fans that went to Anfield pre-lockdowns | |||
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" I have every sympathy for the company. Business is tough at the moment and a h&s breach at a clients premises could be enough to lose an important contract which in turn could lead to multiple job loses all down to one persons disregard for their employer and work colleagues. Then employers should be supplying masks that are air tight, and act as a respirator. If you give me a hoodie and tell me its bulletproof i have every right to say I'm not wearing it in a gun fight" As an employer I have every right to mandate a uniform....for any reason...if an employee doesn't agree with my rules they don't have to apply for employment in my business. If they choose to apply that would be on the basis of abiding by the rules within my business...this isn't difficult to understand. | |||
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" I have every sympathy for the company. Business is tough at the moment and a h&s breach at a clients premises could be enough to lose an important contract which in turn could lead to multiple job loses all down to one persons disregard for their employer and work colleagues. Then employers should be supplying masks that are air tight, and act as a respirator. If you give me a hoodie and tell me its bulletproof i have every right to say I'm not wearing it in a gun fight As an employer I have every right to mandate a uniform....for any reason...if an employee doesn't agree with my rules they don't have to apply for employment in my business. If they choose to apply that would be on the basis of abiding by the rules within my business...this isn't difficult to understand. " Some people seem to be finding it very hard to understand. Not future captains of industry. 
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"Masks were proven ineffective in march 2020, hence lockdown 1. I'm not anti virus protection I'm anti bad virus protection lol. The paper mask is as effective as a chocolate teapot How many people were wearing masks in the open pubs, football games, etc in March 2020? Yes, masks that are unpurchased and unworn - in a context where social distancing isn't a thing yet - do jack shit. Congratulations I think? It's not about how many masks you bought... Employers in march 2020 were enforcing masks correct? Employers such as mine were reporting that actions such as masks and gloves were not slowing the spread through employees. Because the masks are not fit for task and never were.. If the mask was so effective and wasnt just another 7bn blunder by the gov, you'd think maybe we wouldnt be on lockdown 3 with talks of it lasting the entire year. And I'd say the 300,000 people gathered across the country in major city centres during the 1st lockdown had just as much to do with the continued spread as and football fans that went to Anfield pre-lockdowns" I have no idea about mask mandates in businesses. They weren't being worn by the general public. So if some people wore masks some of the time and the virus still spread, it's obviously the masks and not the packed pubs and sports events. Clearly | |||
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"Masks were proven ineffective in march 2020, hence lockdown 1. I'm not anti virus protection I'm anti bad virus protection lol. The paper mask is as effective as a chocolate teapot How many people were wearing masks in the open pubs, football games, etc in March 2020? Yes, masks that are unpurchased and unworn - in a context where social distancing isn't a thing yet - do jack shit. Congratulations I think? It's not about how many masks you bought... Employers in march 2020 were enforcing masks correct? Employers such as mine were reporting that actions such as masks and gloves were not slowing the spread through employees. Because the masks are not fit for task and never were.. If the mask was so effective and wasnt just another 7bn blunder by the gov, you'd think maybe we wouldnt be on lockdown 3 with talks of it lasting the entire year. And I'd say the 300,000 people gathered across the country in major city centres during the 1st lockdown had just as much to do with the continued spread as and football fans that went to Anfield pre-lockdowns Do you wear a condom when you have sex? E" Condoms aren't 100% effective. Bin them! (Swing is joking ) | |||
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"Masks were proven ineffective in march 2020, hence lockdown 1. I'm not anti virus protection I'm anti bad virus protection lol. The paper mask is as effective as a chocolate teapot How many people were wearing masks in the open pubs, football games, etc in March 2020? Yes, masks that are unpurchased and unworn - in a context where social distancing isn't a thing yet - do jack shit. Congratulations I think? It's not about how many masks you bought... Employers in march 2020 were enforcing masks correct? Employers such as mine were reporting that actions such as masks and gloves were not slowing the spread through employees. Because the masks are not fit for task and never were.. If the mask was so effective and wasnt just another 7bn blunder by the gov, you'd think maybe we wouldnt be on lockdown 3 with talks of it lasting the entire year. And I'd say the 300,000 people gathered across the country in major city centres during the 1st lockdown had just as much to do with the continued spread as and football fans that went to Anfield pre-lockdowns Do you wear a condom when you have sex? E" Depends who I'm having sex with I guess... is it a long term arrangement where I know who they have slept with too ect. Do you wear a mask during sex? | |||
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"And if you provide me inefficient ppe I am within my rights to say "I dont feel this is safe and will not perform that task based upon this" You could suspend me, you could give me written and verbal warnings but you could not terminate on the spot. But to prevent that my suggestion would be for companies with customer facing staff to go beyond the advice. Those n95 masks are effective and there are other variants.. Provide the equipment that cannot be questioned and reduce the amount of arguments. If you give me a hoodie I'll say no, if you give me an experimental exo suit that can take a tank on I'm on the front line before you tell me how it works" If you're given PPE regarded to be sufficient at the time you're given the PPE, then you'd be disciplined. Which may - as in this case - include sacking if you "dig your heels in". | |||
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" Do you wear a mask during sex?" I recognise that masks are mitigation strategies not prevention, that I can't have sex with someone 2m away from me, so I'm abstaining. | |||
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"Let's not forget this incident took place almost a year ago when the world was a different place. I'm not defending the guy.. Don't know any details really. I just think it's a very bad advert for all players. But mostly the IT process from which the main winners are the lawyers. Who have a vested interest in as many of these conflicts as they can generate and win or lose always make a shed load of money. " Two months into first lockdown would be May or June last year. It was known internationally that masks in the general public were a mitigation strategy (hadn't quite made it here, but I'm sure Tate and Lyle would have had some awareness). This kind of stuff is always a mess. | |||
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"And if you provide me inefficient ppe I am within my rights to say "I dont feel this is safe and will not perform that task based upon this" You could suspend me, you could give me written and verbal warnings but you could not terminate on the spot. But to prevent that my suggestion would be for companies with customer facing staff to go beyond the advice. Those n95 masks are effective and there are other variants.. Provide the equipment that cannot be questioned and reduce the amount of arguments. If you give me a hoodie I'll say no, if you give me an experimental exo suit that can take a tank on I'm on the front line before you tell me how it works If you're given PPE regarded to be sufficient at the time you're given the PPE, then you'd be disciplined. Which may - as in this case - include sacking if you "dig your heels in"." And as I've said personally I wore the paper mask in work, i need employment and I'm too lazy to look for another job plus i kinda like the people i work with.... But we are all aware that not everybody is willing to just get along to get along, so that's where my suggestion of give them the iron man suit rather than a hoodie comes in. Give people the proven 100% effective equipment and you will have those people wearing them in no time. They will wear them outside of work just to show off that they stole one from work.. The gov have been so shit at manipulative bullshittery in the last 100 years that they cant control themselves let alone the millions of citizens all with varied degrees of belief of the virus and its protections. | |||
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"And if you provide me inefficient ppe I am within my rights to say "I dont feel this is safe and will not perform that task based upon this" You could suspend me, you could give me written and verbal warnings but you could not terminate on the spot. But to prevent that my suggestion would be for companies with customer facing staff to go beyond the advice. Those n95 masks are effective and there are other variants.. Provide the equipment that cannot be questioned and reduce the amount of arguments. If you give me a hoodie I'll say no, if you give me an experimental exo suit that can take a tank on I'm on the front line before you tell me how it works If you're given PPE regarded to be sufficient at the time you're given the PPE, then you'd be disciplined. Which may - as in this case - include sacking if you "dig your heels in". And as I've said personally I wore the paper mask in work, i need employment and I'm too lazy to look for another job plus i kinda like the people i work with.... But we are all aware that not everybody is willing to just get along to get along, so that's where my suggestion of give them the iron man suit rather than a hoodie comes in. Give people the proven 100% effective equipment and you will have those people wearing them in no time. They will wear them outside of work just to show off that they stole one from work.. The gov have been so shit at manipulative bullshittery in the last 100 years that they cant control themselves let alone the millions of citizens all with varied degrees of belief of the virus and its protections." There's no such thing as 100% protection. It doesn't exist. We have mitigation strategies only. And that's not a UK thing, that's a global thing | |||
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"True, and because they have seen fit to go after this small fry and media blast it... now what I would like to see... Is some of the folks spreading falsehoods prosecuted and publicised, including the media platforms that propagate it, go after some who have done real harm and above all.... When they eventually unpick the corrupt parts of the contracts, go after those players. That would be a better use of courts time than little lorry driver. " I expect what happened here is that the lorry driver brought it to the tribunal. Laws and prosecution of breaches for misinformation (etc) would be entirely different processes brought by very different people. | |||
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"And if you provide me inefficient ppe I am within my rights to say "I dont feel this is safe and will not perform that task based upon this" You could suspend me, you could give me written and verbal warnings but you could not terminate on the spot. But to prevent that my suggestion would be for companies with customer facing staff to go beyond the advice. Those n95 masks are effective and there are other variants.. Provide the equipment that cannot be questioned and reduce the amount of arguments. If you give me a hoodie I'll say no, if you give me an experimental exo suit that can take a tank on I'm on the front line before you tell me how it works If you're given PPE regarded to be sufficient at the time you're given the PPE, then you'd be disciplined. Which may - as in this case - include sacking if you "dig your heels in". And as I've said personally I wore the paper mask in work, i need employment and I'm too lazy to look for another job plus i kinda like the people i work with.... But we are all aware that not everybody is willing to just get along to get along, so that's where my suggestion of give them the iron man suit rather than a hoodie comes in. Give people the proven 100% effective equipment and you will have those people wearing them in no time. They will wear them outside of work just to show off that they stole one from work.. The gov have been so shit at manipulative bullshittery in the last 100 years that they cant control themselves let alone the millions of citizens all with varied degrees of belief of the virus and its protections. There's no such thing as 100% protection. It doesn't exist. We have mitigation strategies only. And that's not a UK thing, that's a global thing " The n95 mask is 100% effective whilst wearing it. Nothing can be effective if you're not wearing it and if were going to promote a mask that is so ineffective that you should "wear multiple" then we may aswell not wear them at all. The gov are responsible for our nations response, so they should be leading the way in promoting effective mitigation rather than promoting the ostracizing of people that question it. Rather than the "look in his eyes" poster campaign, why not have the paper masks distributed for free? No cant do that we need to pay off dyson and the rest for making the paper masks... oh wait no they didnt did they the paper masks are coming from overseas. Buisnesses are having to enforce gov mask mandates for inefficient equipment and people are forced to comply or lose their income, to bail out their fuck ups. | |||
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"And if you provide me inefficient ppe I am within my rights to say "I dont feel this is safe and will not perform that task based upon this" You could suspend me, you could give me written and verbal warnings but you could not terminate on the spot. But to prevent that my suggestion would be for companies with customer facing staff to go beyond the advice. Those n95 masks are effective and there are other variants.. Provide the equipment that cannot be questioned and reduce the amount of arguments. If you give me a hoodie I'll say no, if you give me an experimental exo suit that can take a tank on I'm on the front line before you tell me how it works If you're given PPE regarded to be sufficient at the time you're given the PPE, then you'd be disciplined. Which may - as in this case - include sacking if you "dig your heels in". And as I've said personally I wore the paper mask in work, i need employment and I'm too lazy to look for another job plus i kinda like the people i work with.... But we are all aware that not everybody is willing to just get along to get along, so that's where my suggestion of give them the iron man suit rather than a hoodie comes in. Give people the proven 100% effective equipment and you will have those people wearing them in no time. They will wear them outside of work just to show off that they stole one from work.. The gov have been so shit at manipulative bullshittery in the last 100 years that they cant control themselves let alone the millions of citizens all with varied degrees of belief of the virus and its protections. There's no such thing as 100% protection. It doesn't exist. We have mitigation strategies only. And that's not a UK thing, that's a global thing The n95 mask is 100% effective whilst wearing it. Nothing can be effective if you're not wearing it and if were going to promote a mask that is so ineffective that you should "wear multiple" then we may aswell not wear them at all. The gov are responsible for our nations response, so they should be leading the way in promoting effective mitigation rather than promoting the ostracizing of people that question it. Rather than the "look in his eyes" poster campaign, why not have the paper masks distributed for free? No cant do that we need to pay off dyson and the rest for making the paper masks... oh wait no they didnt did they the paper masks are coming from overseas. Buisnesses are having to enforce gov mask mandates for inefficient equipment and people are forced to comply or lose their income, to bail out their fuck ups. " Isn't the mandate for a face covering ? | |||
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" The n95 mask is 100% effective whilst wearing it. Nothing can be effective if you're not wearing it and if were going to promote a mask that is so ineffective that you should "wear multiple" then we may aswell not wear them at all. The gov are responsible for our nations response, so they should be leading the way in promoting effective mitigation rather than promoting the ostracizing of people that question it. Rather than the "look in his eyes" poster campaign, why not have the paper masks distributed for free? No cant do that we need to pay off dyson and the rest for making the paper masks... oh wait no they didnt did they the paper masks are coming from overseas. Buisnesses are having to enforce gov mask mandates for inefficient equipment and people are forced to comply or lose their income, to bail out their fuck ups. " The N95 is 95% effective at preventing intake of particles, but spews them out. Even higher standards are only 99% effective. Nothing is 100% safe. Ever. That's life. I wear cloth because I'm low risk. If I were higher risk I'd mitigate more carefully. I agree that masks should have been provided to at least some people, but that's not on me. So we do the best we can, we allocate resources based on need and relative risk. Or we claim that something is either effective or not, condemn people in 2020 because they don't follow standards from 2021, and claim that mask usage (neither mandated nor common) caused the spread in March 2020, rather than (among other things) heaving pubs. That's logical. | |||
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" The n95 mask is 100% effective whilst wearing it. Nothing can be effective if you're not wearing it and if were going to promote a mask that is so ineffective that you should "wear multiple" then we may aswell not wear them at all. The gov are responsible for our nations response, so they should be leading the way in promoting effective mitigation rather than promoting the ostracizing of people that question it. Rather than the "look in his eyes" poster campaign, why not have the paper masks distributed for free? No cant do that we need to pay off dyson and the rest for making the paper masks... oh wait no they didnt did they the paper masks are coming from overseas. Buisnesses are having to enforce gov mask mandates for inefficient equipment and people are forced to comply or lose their income, to bail out their fuck ups. The N95 is 95% effective at preventing intake of particles, but spews them out. Even higher standards are only 99% effective. Nothing is 100% safe. Ever. That's life. I wear cloth because I'm low risk. If I were higher risk I'd mitigate more carefully. I agree that masks should have been provided to at least some people, but that's not on me. So we do the best we can, we allocate resources based on need and relative risk. Or we claim that something is either effective or not, condemn people in 2020 because they don't follow standards from 2021, and claim that mask usage (neither mandated nor common) caused the spread in March 2020, rather than (among other things) heaving pubs. That's logical. "Who said mask usage caused the spread... if you going to try and misrepresent me then we shall call it quits. I said I'd had little to no effect in preventing the spread. I also never once claimed pubs clubs and sporting events had no blame for spreading the virus I just added that riots and protests also spread it. And what standards from 2020 for the paper masks have changed in 2021? None, zero, zip, NASA, nothing. They are manufactured the same way today as they were in 1983, the standard is what wear 2? | |||
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" The n95 mask is 100% effective whilst wearing it. Nothing can be effective if you're not wearing it and if were going to promote a mask that is so ineffective that you should "wear multiple" then we may aswell not wear them at all. The gov are responsible for our nations response, so they should be leading the way in promoting effective mitigation rather than promoting the ostracizing of people that question it. Rather than the "look in his eyes" poster campaign, why not have the paper masks distributed for free? No cant do that we need to pay off dyson and the rest for making the paper masks... oh wait no they didnt did they the paper masks are coming from overseas. Buisnesses are having to enforce gov mask mandates for inefficient equipment and people are forced to comply or lose their income, to bail out their fuck ups. The N95 is 95% effective at preventing intake of particles, but spews them out. Even higher standards are only 99% effective. Nothing is 100% safe. Ever. That's life. I wear cloth because I'm low risk. If I were higher risk I'd mitigate more carefully. I agree that masks should have been provided to at least some people, but that's not on me. So we do the best we can, we allocate resources based on need and relative risk. Or we claim that something is either effective or not, condemn people in 2020 because they don't follow standards from 2021, and claim that mask usage (neither mandated nor common) caused the spread in March 2020, rather than (among other things) heaving pubs. That's logical.
Who said mask usage caused the spread... if you going to try and misrepresent me then we shall call it quits.
I said I'd had little to no effect in preventing the spread.
I also never once claimed pubs clubs and sporting events had no blame for spreading the virus I just added that riots and protests also spread it.
And what standards from 2020 for the paper masks have changed in 2021?
None, zero, zip, NASA, nothing.
They are manufactured the same way today as they were in 1983, the standard is what wear 2?"I quote you. "Masks were proven ineffective in march 2020, hence lockdown 1." The fact that it's entirely counterfactual is not my problem. It's yours. | |||
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"This mask effectiveness puzzles me...when I went into hospital, a couple of weeks ago, all the staff dealing with me were wearing the blue paper masks,why, if they don't afford some protection towards their patients?" I think all NHS staff should be wearing more than a paper mask. | |||
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" if or how he could catch it is irrelevant his employer has a rule, he refused to follow the rule , a tribunal has ruled it was reasonable to sack him on these grounds some people just have real issues with authority of any kind and like this example it works to their detriment I'm never sure if it's Covid specific or they're like this with everything "oh i was meaning everything - some people in life just really really cant stand being told what to do and think it makes them billy big balls to stand up against “the man” at every turn , even when its stupid stuff , wouldn’t surprise me in the slightest if there had been previous conversations with this guy about high vis vests too | |||
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"This mask effectiveness puzzles me...when I went into hospital, a couple of weeks ago, all the staff dealing with me were wearing the blue paper masks,why, if they don't afford some protection towards their patients? I think all NHS staff should be wearing more than a paper mask." I think you're right, but they must wear them for a reason, otherwise, why wear one? | |||
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" The n95 mask is 100% effective whilst wearing it. Nothing can be effective if you're not wearing it and if were going to promote a mask that is so ineffective that you should "wear multiple" then we may aswell not wear them at all. The gov are responsible for our nations response, so they should be leading the way in promoting effective mitigation rather than promoting the ostracizing of people that question it. Rather than the "look in his eyes" poster campaign, why not have the paper masks distributed for free? No cant do that we need to pay off dyson and the rest for making the paper masks... oh wait no they didnt did they the paper masks are coming from overseas. Buisnesses are having to enforce gov mask mandates for inefficient equipment and people are forced to comply or lose their income, to bail out their fuck ups. The N95 is 95% effective at preventing intake of particles, but spews them out. Even higher standards are only 99% effective. Nothing is 100% safe. Ever. That's life. I wear cloth because I'm low risk. If I were higher risk I'd mitigate more carefully. I agree that masks should have been provided to at least some people, but that's not on me. So we do the best we can, we allocate resources based on need and relative risk. Or we claim that something is either effective or not, condemn people in 2020 because they don't follow standards from 2021, and claim that mask usage (neither mandated nor common) caused the spread in March 2020, rather than (among other things) heaving pubs. That's logical.
Who said mask usage caused the spread... if you going to try and misrepresent me then we shall call it quits.
I said I'd had little to no effect in preventing the spread.
I also never once claimed pubs clubs and sporting events had no blame for spreading the virus I just added that riots and protests also spread it.
And what standards from 2020 for the paper masks have changed in 2021?
None, zero, zip, NASA, nothing.
They are manufactured the same way today as they were in 1983, the standard is what wear 2?
I quote you.
"Masks were proven ineffective in march 2020, hence lockdown 1."
The fact that it's entirely counterfactual is not my problem. It's yours."They were proven ineffective if they had been proven effective in prevention of spread then we would not have needed 3 lockdowns. We would have made paper masks required by law at all times, and the 1st 100,000 people sent to prison for refusing to wear them would've caused a national change in thinking. We did none of that we said wear 2 | |||
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"Like sooooo many have said the paper "surgical masks" are not designed to prevent 100% protection and many of the cloth masks are less effective...however it is all about mitigation.. if all parties are wearing some kind of mask in public areas then the risk is mitigated to a manageable level..but it's not just masks..add in distance, hand and surface cleanliness and isolation of injected individuals...and of everyone obides by the rules then we can prevent infection AND get on with some kind of life..just because it's not 100% proof why be so stubborn and throw away 70% protection (that is a guesstimate btw)..but not just your protection..it is protection of others in case you are asymptomatic!!!! We know wearing a seat belt in a 70mph head on with a lorry is not going to save you but we also know that it will save injury or life in many other accidents...hence why it is also the law...big difference though if you don't wear a seat belt you are very unlikely to kill someone else!!!!" Yes. All things are about risk reduction, not risk removal. If we require perfect we should give up now. | |||
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"This mask effectiveness puzzles me...when I went into hospital, a couple of weeks ago, all the staff dealing with me were wearing the blue paper masks,why, if they don't afford some protection towards their patients? I think all NHS staff should be wearing more than a paper mask. I think you're right, but they must wear them for a reason, otherwise, why wear one? "They do help. But I think that NHS staff deserve greater protection. | |||
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"That's more my point than anything. I'm furloughed but work as a chef, I dont agree with draconian lockdowns and mandatory masks ect... But would wear a mask in work even when advice stated masks weren't required in groups less than 4. But if my company decides to fire somebody for not wearing a inefficient mask, I dont think I'd be working for them much longer." he wasn’t fired for an inefficient mask , he was fired for repeatedly refusing to wear one while on the site of clients that would be like you being a mobile caterer rather than a chef and clients requesting you to wear an apron and you keeping saying no and getting fired , sure you could have a completely clean uniform underneath so think you dont need the apron but if its a requirement if the client and “wearing appropriate ppe” is in your contract then they would sack you too | |||
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"This mask effectiveness puzzles me...when I went into hospital, a couple of weeks ago, all the staff dealing with me were wearing the blue paper masks,why, if they don't afford some protection towards their patients? I think all NHS staff should be wearing more than a paper mask. I think you're right, but they must wear them for a reason, otherwise, why wear one?
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"Exactly information changes... So we fire anybody that hasnt read the latest guidelines? I dont agree he should be fired for not wearing a sheet of paper on his face... I do think a suspension of his contract would of been a more reasonable reaction. If the company are going to hold my living over my head based upon information that changes daily, then the company should be taking precautions to be above and beyond any mandated paper masks." the company held his living over his head as you say because of insubordination- its already been clarified above that this happened on many occasions , how many times would you have suspended him and brought him back? he had his warnings , he ignored them | |||
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" I quote you. "Masks were proven ineffective in march 2020, hence lockdown 1." The fact that it's entirely counterfactual is not my problem. It's yours. They were proven ineffective if they had been proven effective in prevention of spread then we would not have needed 3 lockdowns. We would have made paper masks required by law at all times, and the 1st 100,000 people sent to prison for refusing to wear them would've caused a national change in thinking. We did none of that we said wear 2" My memory actually extends back a year. Does yours? We weren't as sure about how these things work. There were major PPE shortages and we were urged to leave masks for healthcare workers. Studies have been done, and guidance has been issued. Mistakes were made, including opening schools without masks and overcrowding in some places. There have been breaches in law and policy. Given increased transmissibility of some variants of Covid, which has been suspected from December 2020, a *new* recommendation to double mask has come in. So... It's the fault of largely unworn masks in March 2020 that the government has repeatedly fucked up, the evidence has changed, there's been non compliance, and new variants have emerged, in the almost 12 months since? Or - bear me out I know this is insane - the position we're in has changed because things have happened and our knowledge has developed? | |||
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"The blueish paper "surgical type " mask prevent liquid droplets and fine spray but not aerosol partial levels.. NHS staff will not wear these in COVID risk areas, they wear higher grade protection.... Outside of COVID areas the risk is deemed lower if all the other mitigations are followed ...so if both are wearing surgical masks..still keeping 2m distance and neither showing symptoms..(coughing etc)...the risk is REDUCED to a manageable risk..but never totally mitigated. " Thank you | |||
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"The blueish paper "surgical type " mask prevent liquid droplets and fine spray but not aerosol partial levels.. NHS staff will not wear these in COVID risk areas, they wear higher grade protection.... Outside of COVID areas the risk is deemed lower if all the other mitigations are followed ...so if both are wearing surgical masks..still keeping 2m distance and neither showing symptoms..(coughing etc)...the risk is REDUCED to a manageable risk..but never totally mitigated. " Yes. Everything is risk mitigation. I understand this. I just think we should prioritise NHS safety more than we have. | |||
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"Masks were proven ineffective in march 2020, hence lockdown 1. I'm not anti virus protection I'm anti bad virus protection lol. The paper mask is as effective as a chocolate teapot How many people were wearing masks in the open pubs, football games, etc in March 2020? Yes, masks that are unpurchased and unworn - in a context where social distancing isn't a thing yet - do jack shit. Congratulations I think? It's not about how many masks you bought... Employers in march 2020 were enforcing masks correct? Employers such as mine were reporting that actions such as masks and gloves were not slowing the spread through employees. Because the masks are not fit for task and never were.. If the mask was so effective and wasnt just another 7bn blunder by the gov, you'd think maybe we wouldnt be on lockdown 3 with talks of it lasting the entire year. And I'd say the 300,000 people gathered across the country in major city centres during the 1st lockdown had just as much to do with the continued spread as and football fans that went to Anfield pre-lockdowns" here is an example that might help morrisons make all their staff with long hair tie it back - not just in food prep areas , all staff are given the same policy in a food prep area the purpose it to avoid contamination with fresh food for anyone else that would seem an unnecessary step - its not effective in preventing anything in the office or on the shop floor MORRISONS DONT CARE what their employees think of its effectiveness, they have put a policy in place and if you ignore it you will be sent home, ignore it repeatedly you will be disciplined and eventually fired you’ve gone down a rabbit hole here by focussing on effectiveness of masks against the virus , this case actually had nothing to do with a virus and everything to do with a guy that cant just follow rules at work | |||
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"Masks were proven ineffective in march 2020, hence lockdown 1. I'm not anti virus protection I'm anti bad virus protection lol. The paper mask is as effective as a chocolate teapot How many people were wearing masks in the open pubs, football games, etc in March 2020? Yes, masks that are unpurchased and unworn - in a context where social distancing isn't a thing yet - do jack shit. Congratulations I think? It's not about how many masks you bought... Employers in march 2020 were enforcing masks correct? Employers such as mine were reporting that actions such as masks and gloves were not slowing the spread through employees. Because the masks are not fit for task and never were.. If the mask was so effective and wasnt just another 7bn blunder by the gov, you'd think maybe we wouldnt be on lockdown 3 with talks of it lasting the entire year. And I'd say the 300,000 people gathered across the country in major city centres during the 1st lockdown had just as much to do with the continued spread as and football fans that went to Anfield pre-lockdowns here is an example that might help morrisons make all their staff with long hair tie it back - not just in food prep areas , all staff are given the same policy in a food prep area the purpose it to avoid contamination with fresh food for anyone else that would seem an unnecessary step - its not effective in preventing anything in the office or on the shop floor MORRISONS DONT CARE what their employees think of its effectiveness, they have put a policy in place and if you ignore it you will be sent home, ignore it repeatedly you will be disciplined and eventually fired you’ve gone down a rabbit hole here by focussing on effectiveness of masks against the virus , this case actually had nothing to do with a virus and everything to do with a guy that cant just follow rules at work " He says he's a chef - it's a brilliant example immediately relevant to him. | |||
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"True, and because they have seen fit to go after this small fry and media blast it... now what I would like to see... Is some of the folks spreading falsehoods prosecuted and publicised, including the media platforms that propagate it, go after some who have done real harm and above all.... When they eventually unpick the corrupt parts of the contracts, go after those players. That would be a better use of courts time than little lorry driver. " you realise it was the little lorry driver that took it to court because any employee is within their rights to a tribunal and hd was stupid enough to not see he was the problem? this is not an example of the big bad man going after the little guy | |||
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"True, and because they have seen fit to go after this small fry and media blast it... now what I would like to see... Is some of the folks spreading falsehoods prosecuted and publicised, including the media platforms that propagate it, go after some who have done real harm and above all.... When they eventually unpick the corrupt parts of the contracts, go after those players. That would be a better use of courts time than little lorry driver. you realise it was the little lorry driver that took it to court because any employee is within their rights to a tribunal and hd was stupid enough to not see he was the problem? this is not an example of the big bad man going after the little guy " Yet this was a guy that throught he could do what he wanted in his own space.I hate to think what the legal coat was but not going to be cheep | |||
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"Like sooooo many have said the paper "surgical masks" are not designed to prevent 100% protection and many of the cloth masks are less effective...however it is all about mitigation.. if all parties are wearing some kind of mask in public areas then the risk is mitigated to a manageable level..but it's not just masks..add in distance, hand and surface cleanliness and isolation of injected individuals...and of everyone obides by the rules then we can prevent infection AND get on with some kind of life..just because it's not 100% proof why be so stubborn and throw away 70% protection (that is a guesstimate btw)..but not just your protection..it is protection of others in case you are asymptomatic!!!! We know wearing a seat belt in a 70mph head on with a lorry is not going to save you but we also know that it will save injury or life in many other accidents...hence why it is also the law...big difference though if you don't wear a seat belt you are very unlikely to kill someone else!!!!" And I can remember very similar discussions (though clearly not on t'internet) about seat belts.. Freedom... They are dangerous... There is no evidence they work... I can't get them over my turban.. Coat.. Hat... Pregnancy bump... I can't escape in a crash... I guess in happier times free spirit is what makes us good to be around... Just doesn't go so well when we are trying to work together to get through this shit storm. | |||
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"This mask effectiveness puzzles me...when I went into hospital, a couple of weeks ago, all the staff dealing with me were wearing the blue paper masks,why, if they don't afford some protection towards their patients? I think all NHS staff should be wearing more than a paper mask. I think you're right, but they must wear them for a reason, otherwise, why wear one? "So they can't be id'd and face recognised for malpractice suits... Now there's a conspiracy theory (tongue in cheek mods before you burn me) | |||
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"I read another article that said it wasn't so much about him not wearing it in the cab but he wouldn't wear it when he did deliveries and pick ups and some of the places that he dropped off to complained. " If that's the case. It's a bit pointless being a delivery driver, when the clients won't allow you in the premises to drop off your delivery. | |||
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"Why would you need to wear a mask if your alone in your cab? Same applies to high vis vest and hard hats ... It not the why that matters it the case of company/contractors policy Common sense out the window in other words in other words if you sign a contract be that employment or otherwise, read the terms and make sure you are happy to abide by them first because acting like a petulant child, nobody tells me what to do, will get you nowhere in life So whose going to be infected in his cab, simple question ?? perhaps the next driver that could possibly drive his truck or perhaps the mechanic who services the vehicle next Protocol should be in place to clean the cab, if you were wearing a mask or not ... Next one "I complain when delivery drivers turn up here with a mask on ..... we’re a mask free zone here lol | |||
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"Why would you need to wear a mask if your alone in your cab? Same applies to high vis vest and hard hats ... It not the why that matters it the case of company/contractors policy Common sense out the window in other words in other words if you sign a contract be that employment or otherwise, read the terms and make sure you are happy to abide by them first because acting like a petulant child, nobody tells me what to do, will get you nowhere in life So whose going to be infected in his cab, simple question ?? perhaps the next driver that could possibly drive his truck or perhaps the mechanic who services the vehicle next Protocol should be in place to clean the cab, if you were wearing a mask or not ... Next one
I complain when delivery drivers turn up here with a mask on ..... we’re a mask free zone here lol"Is that the hole of Oxford mask free | |||
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"I read another article that said it wasn't so much about him not wearing it in the cab but he wouldn't wear it when he did deliveries and pick ups and some of the places that he dropped off to complained. If that's the case. It's a bit pointless being a delivery driver, when the clients won't allow you in the premises to drop off your delivery. " They will if you wear site compliant protection. I've been watching this thread for a while.... what am I missing? It seems quite clear and obvious what (who) caused this and it's nothing to do with if masks work. I liked the Morrison's analogy a few posts further back, I think it summed things up exactly. | |||
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Best just to smile and get on with it, some are genuine and some are a power trip, I just think not long and I’m on my way in peace again. | |||
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"From my reading of it a lot of you are on the wrong track. He was sacked because he got banned from his employers main customer for not following their site rules, in this case not wearing a mask in his cab. Would have been the same outcome regardless of what rule he broke so not unfair dismissal. As drivers you know you should follow the rules where ever you are, their property their rule. Some maybe bloody stupid, possibly the one in question here at the time, but it’s best to humour the buggers, get loaded or tipped and get out of there. Getting banned of your employers biggest job will generally see you collecting your p45 on your return to base. I’ve had some crazy ones over the years including wearing a hard hat whilst driving on the site and hi viz in the cab incase they can’t see you in a 50ft long truck
Best just to smile and get on with it, some are genuine and some are a power trip, I just think not long and I’m on my way in peace again. "Dead right mate. | |||
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"Why would you need to wear a mask if your alone in your cab? Same applies to high vis vest and hard hats ... It not the why that matters it the case of company/contractors policy Common sense out the window in other words in other words if you sign a contract be that employment or otherwise, read the terms and make sure you are happy to abide by them first because acting like a petulant child, nobody tells me what to do, will get you nowhere in life So whose going to be infected in his cab, simple question ?? perhaps the next driver that could possibly drive his truck or perhaps the mechanic who services the vehicle next Protocol should be in place to clean the cab, if you were wearing a mask or not ... Next one it’s about reducing the risk and people like him don’t help the situation as it’s been proven that’s why we are still in the same position as last year due to selfish people like him
How so? You cab, work space should be wiped clean after ever shift, again who is he affecting? yes I agree it should be wiped down and as I said to minimise the risk he should put the mask on it’s not just for the well-being of others it’s also reduced the risk of him getting COVID and his wife and his kids and there friends and so on
Was his wife and kids in the cab with him? ..."Didn't you read that he was making a delivery a a Tate and Lyle factory, when you enter someone else's premises you follow they're rules not your own. | |||
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"Why would you need to wear a mask if your alone in your cab? Same applies to high vis vest and hard hats ... It not the why that matters it the case of company/contractors policy Common sense out the window in other words in other words if you sign a contract be that employment or otherwise, read the terms and make sure you are happy to abide by them first because acting like a petulant child, nobody tells me what to do, will get you nowhere in life So whose going to be infected in his cab, simple question ?? perhaps the next driver that could possibly drive his truck or perhaps the mechanic who services the vehicle next Protocol should be in place to clean the cab, if you were wearing a mask or not ... Next one it’s about reducing the risk and people like him don’t help the situation as it’s been proven that’s why we are still in the same position as last year due to selfish people like him
How so? You cab, work space should be wiped clean after ever shift, again who is he affecting? yes I agree it should be wiped down and as I said to minimise the risk he should put the mask on it’s not just for the well-being of others it’s also reduced the risk of him getting COVID and his wife and his kids and there friends and so on
Was his wife and kids in the cab with him? ...
Didn't you read that he was making a delivery a a Tate and Lyle factory, when you enter someone else's premises you follow they're rules not your own."The rules are that as you enter site you are wearing PPE as requested. The site then know that you have it, and will be wearing it should you leave your vehicle. Nothing new, hi-viz vest for drivers entering site to help prevent them being knocked over if they leave the cab. The face covering to help prevent him coughing all over one of you when he asks where do you want me to throw your parcel. | |||
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"That's more my point than anything. I'm furloughed but work as a chef, I dont agree with draconian lockdowns and mandatory masks ect... But would wear a mask in work even when advice stated masks weren't required in groups less than 4. But if my company decides to fire somebody for not wearing a inefficient mask, I dont think I'd be working for them much longer." . " so you would seek employment elsewere if the company you worked for fired some one for refusing to wear a mask ? Utter tripe !, people look after number 1 nowadays , theres no way you would make your self unemployed on principal , not a chance | |||
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"Masks were proven ineffective in march 2020, hence lockdown 1. I'm not anti virus protection I'm anti bad virus protection lol. The paper mask is as effective as a chocolate teapot" Site rules and he was asked to wear it he didn’t end of argument | |||
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"I get told off so many times on building sites for ppe but it's So easy to jump out my cab and forget to put a hard hat on and as for gloves never remember them not been fired for it yet tho but there is always a first time. " But he was asked to put it on he refused they complained and I believe it was not the first time. | |||
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"Masks were proven ineffective in march 2020, hence lockdown 1. I'm not anti virus protection I'm anti bad virus protection lol. The paper mask is as effective as a chocolate teapot" Can’t educate some people! | |||
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"From my reading of it a lot of you are on the wrong track. He was sacked because he got banned from his employers main customer for not following their site rules, in this case not wearing a mask in his cab. Would have been the same outcome regardless of what rule he broke so not unfair dismissal. As drivers you know you should follow the rules where ever you are, their property their rule. Some maybe bloody stupid, possibly the one in question here at the time, but it’s best to humour the buggers, get loaded or tipped and get out of there. Getting banned of your employers biggest job will generally see you collecting your p45 on your return to base. I’ve had some crazy ones over the years including wearing a hard hat whilst driving on the site and hi viz in the cab incase they can’t see you in a 50ft long truck
Best just to smile and get on with it, some are genuine and some are a power trip, I just think not long and I’m on my way in peace again. "I agree on the surface about the hard hat and Hi-vis in the cab but the reason behind it is that should you need to exit he cab in an emergency with no time to find hi-vis and hat your already wearing it. | |||
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"Why would you need to wear a mask if your alone in your cab? Same applies to high vis vest and hard hats ... " Because alough he is alone in his cab, he winds the window down when speaking to people out the window of his cab. Thats the issue the firms customers had. | |||
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"Why would you need to wear a mask if your alone in your cab? Same applies to high vis vest and hard hats ... Because alough he is alone in his cab, he winds the window down when speaking to people out the window of his cab. Thats the issue the firms customers had." | |||
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