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"we r just the opposite we just had the jab 2 hours ago and we love life carnt wait to get back to normal but it could be a long time yet and really sorry for them that have past away and all the nhs workers" I think I just seem to have lost compassion it might be to do with the news just been so depressing for so long doesnt even seem real any more when they talk of death. | |||
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"I feel angry and disgusted at the marketing of the pandemic, the “could you look into their eyes and tell them...”, the bbc piece showing how the gravedigger was busy-(in winter) with all the dramatic intent of the final scene in Blackadder 3, adverts telling me to behave like I have COVID (sit in my bed and gasp for air?) the constant “blood’s on your hands!”. It’s strong aggressive marketing which is unnecessary. " the very fact that people continually still break the rules show that its not unnecessary - that emotional blackm**l and forcing personal accountability might not be needed to get you to follow the rules but for many others it is - if its too much for you just turn it off the sit in my bed and gasp for air comment is also ridiculous, its clear to anyone its saying you could be asymptomatic, so don’t wait til you have a positive result to behave in the way that you would to contain the infection - do it always | |||
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"I feel angry and disgusted at the marketing of the pandemic, the “could you look into their eyes and tell them...”, the bbc piece showing how the gravedigger was busy-(in winter) with all the dramatic intent of the final scene in Blackadder 3, adverts telling me to behave like I have COVID (sit in my bed and gasp for air?) the constant “blood’s on your hands!”. It’s strong aggressive marketing which is unnecessary. the very fact that people continually still break the rules show that its not unnecessary - that emotional blackm**l and forcing personal accountability might not be needed to get you to follow the rules but for many others it is - if its too much for you just turn it off the sit in my bed and gasp for air comment is also ridiculous, its clear to anyone its saying you could be asymptomatic, so don’t wait til you have a positive result to behave in the way that you would to contain the infection - do it always" And you think the effect of the marketing on those who choose to break rules is significant? I know the messages they are supposed to deliver. They are overly dramatic, unnecessary marketing. I could switch off.... it would be great for people who are following the rules to switch off for a few minutes rather than the constant bombardment.... and yes I agree it’s ridiculous, my comment is overly dramatic! | |||
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"Does anyone like me not really care any more?. I stick to the rules but I seem to have just stopped careing I don't care about how many have died don't care about how many are in hospital it just seems like I have become very numb to others suffering and my own i don't care if I catch coronavirus, don't seem to care about any thing to do with the virus, I'm just sort of sat waiting for it to all come to an end without a care in the world which seems very strange to me. " I kinda get what you are saying too a point, and that point is people are still dying and I remember how terribly ill I was with vivid in October and how close things where, I remember how it was and how it still cause's me issues, which is not me having a go at you op but I can't not give a shit as personally I'm still struggling with it. Also my wife being a nurse make's it very real still. | |||
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"I feel angry and disgusted at the marketing of the pandemic, the “could you look into their eyes and tell them...”, the bbc piece showing how the gravedigger was busy-(in winter) with all the dramatic intent of the final scene in Blackadder 3, adverts telling me to behave like I have COVID (sit in my bed and gasp for air?) the constant “blood’s on your hands!”. It’s strong aggressive marketing which is unnecessary. the very fact that people continually still break the rules show that its not unnecessary - that emotional blackm**l and forcing personal accountability might not be needed to get you to follow the rules but for many others it is - if its too much for you just turn it off the sit in my bed and gasp for air comment is also ridiculous, its clear to anyone its saying you could be asymptomatic, so don’t wait til you have a positive result to behave in the way that you would to contain the infection - do it always" 
I was in my local Asda yesterday the total lack of respect for people's personal and social distancing was frightening.
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"Does anyone like me not really care any more?. I stick to the rules but I seem to have just stopped careing I don't care about how many have died don't care about how many are in hospital it just seems like I have become very numb to others suffering and my own i don't care if I catch coronavirus, don't seem to care about any thing to do with the virus, I'm just sort of sat waiting for it to all come to an end without a care in the world which seems very strange to me. " i'm the same, i feel sorry for all that have lost family and friends, but i cant be doing with the daily infection rate, amount of deaths per day anymore, i dont bother with the government catch ups and when i see that advert on Tv about telling people you have done enough, i change the channel. Its gone on so long and been told more or less the same thing every day, just cant wait for it to be over, or in my opinion , just get to the point where life goes on and we have to learn to live with it. | |||
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"I feel angry and disgusted at the marketing of the pandemic, the “could you look into their eyes and tell them...”, the bbc piece showing how the gravedigger was busy-(in winter) with all the dramatic intent of the final scene in Blackadder 3, adverts telling me to behave like I have COVID (sit in my bed and gasp for air?) the constant “blood’s on your hands!”. It’s strong aggressive marketing which is unnecessary. the very fact that people continually still break the rules show that its not unnecessary - that emotional blackm**l and forcing personal accountability might not be needed to get you to follow the rules but for many others it is - if its too much for you just turn it off the sit in my bed and gasp for air comment is also ridiculous, its clear to anyone its saying you could be asymptomatic, so don’t wait til you have a positive result to behave in the way that you would to contain the infection - do it always And you think the effect of the marketing on those who choose to break rules is significant? I know the messages they are supposed to deliver. They are overly dramatic, unnecessary marketing. I could switch off.... it would be great for people who are following the rules to switch off for a few minutes rather than the constant bombardment.... and yes I agree it’s ridiculous, my comment is overly dramatic! " Threatening communication is one of the most popular methods for promoting behaviour change, but the psychological literature suggests that it is ineffective, or at worst, it can backfire and have a negative effect on behaviour. Fear promotion is one of the least effective methods for behaviour change, so these messages likely aren’t doing much good | |||
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"I feel angry and disgusted at the marketing of the pandemic, the “could you look into their eyes and tell them...”, the bbc piece showing how the gravedigger was busy-(in winter) with all the dramatic intent of the final scene in Blackadder 3, adverts telling me to behave like I have COVID (sit in my bed and gasp for air?) the constant “blood’s on your hands!”. It’s strong aggressive marketing which is unnecessary. the very fact that people continually still break the rules show that its not unnecessary - that emotional blackm**l and forcing personal accountability might not be needed to get you to follow the rules but for many others it is - if its too much for you just turn it off the sit in my bed and gasp for air comment is also ridiculous, its clear to anyone its saying you could be asymptomatic, so don’t wait til you have a positive result to behave in the way that you would to contain the infection - do it always And you think the effect of the marketing on those who choose to break rules is significant? I know the messages they are supposed to deliver. They are overly dramatic, unnecessary marketing. I could switch off.... it would be great for people who are following the rules to switch off for a few minutes rather than the constant bombardment.... and yes I agree it’s ridiculous, my comment is overly dramatic! " i don’t think we will convince those breaking the rules , sadly no but if you turn down the heat on the messages of how bad it is , i think more people will join them positive messages about the vaccine are great and should be shared but to stop it letting complacency creep in from people who think that means we are at the end of this it needs ti be balanced against these messages of how serious it still is ... we are on the path out yes , but still a long way to go to get the whole country vaccinated and even then we need to continue to monitor for variants that evade the vaccine to make sure we don’t end up back at stage 1 we will come full circle and the marketing will eventually be over the top positive to get people back out and the economy moving again - the longer this goes on the more of us gain slight agoraphobic tendencies - wether it be from habit of staying home, fear of seeing others or just the emotional stress of the change between lockdown and freedom , i certainly used to be an extrovert and now im like a hermit | |||
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"Does anyone like me not really care any more?. I stick to the rules but I seem to have just stopped careing I don't care about how many have died don't care about how many are in hospital it just seems like I have become very numb to others suffering and my own i don't care if I catch coronavirus, don't seem to care about any thing to do with the virus, I'm just sort of sat waiting for it to all come to an end without a care in the world which seems very strange to me. I kinda get what you are saying too a point, and that point is people are still dying and I remember how terribly ill I was with vivid in October and how close things where, I remember how it was and how it still cause's me issues, which is not me having a go at you op but I can't not give a shit as personally I'm still struggling with it. Also my wife being a nurse make's it very real still." Yep when the Wife tells me how her day has been WOW still people coming through A&E with it. Also we have both not long had it I go back to work Monday. Hope fully the one that switch of mentally to this are the ones doing the right thing and warring masks etc. | |||
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"I feel angry and disgusted at the marketing of the pandemic, the “could you look into their eyes and tell them...”, the bbc piece showing how the gravedigger was busy-(in winter) with all the dramatic intent of the final scene in Blackadder 3, adverts telling me to behave like I have COVID (sit in my bed and gasp for air?) the constant “blood’s on your hands!”. It’s strong aggressive marketing which is unnecessary. the very fact that people continually still break the rules show that its not unnecessary - that emotional blackm**l and forcing personal accountability might not be needed to get you to follow the rules but for many others it is - if its too much for you just turn it off the sit in my bed and gasp for air comment is also ridiculous, its clear to anyone its saying you could be asymptomatic, so don’t wait til you have a positive result to behave in the way that you would to contain the infection - do it always
I was in my local Asda yesterday the total lack of respect for people's personal and social distancing was frightening.
Showing that these messages are needed as people still will not do as they are told despite it being for their own and others good.
"There is no personal space anymore! It just dont exist I work in a supermarket! I get a bit of what op is getting at! I feel a bit like that with my own health anyway! It's like whatever will b will b! Have had people I know die from it and feel sad about that! X | |||
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"[post] depends how you look at it - i don’t see it as fact i see it as fact and personal accountability , i don’t think that makes them threatening but it might make people feel shame and guilt could i look someone in the eye and tell them i did my part to the best of my ability - i could could i be asymptomatic and if i am around people spread it - thats just a fact how many people are in hospital/ infected/ dead - all facts i do agree that what facts are shared are selectively chosen to influence behaviour, but if these messages instil guilt or shame in you then perhaps you aren’t doing everything you can and its exactly you they are targeted at " Regardless of your own interpretation of accuracy, which I’m not disputing, these are examples of fear appeals- the definition of which is to attempt to arouse fear by emphasising potential danger or harm that will occur if people don’t adopt the messages recommendations They are often used in campaigns such as health promotion. There is a lot of debate and a wealth of literature on their efficacy. I was simply referring to this rather than admitting any personal guilt or shame. Tensions definitely run high in this forum | |||
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"[post] depends how you look at it - i don’t see it as fact i see it as fact and personal accountability , i don’t think that makes them threatening but it might make people feel shame and guilt could i look someone in the eye and tell them i did my part to the best of my ability - i could could i be asymptomatic and if i am around people spread it - thats just a fact how many people are in hospital/ infected/ dead - all facts i do agree that what facts are shared are selectively chosen to influence behaviour, but if these messages instil guilt or shame in you then perhaps you aren’t doing everything you can and its exactly you they are targeted at Regardless of your own interpretation of accuracy, which I’m not disputing, these are examples of fear appeals- the definition of which is to attempt to arouse fear by emphasising potential danger or harm that will occur if people don’t adopt the messages recommendations They are often used in campaigns such as health promotion. There is a lot of debate and a wealth of literature on their efficacy. I was simply referring to this rather than admitting any personal guilt or shame. Tensions definitely run high in this forum " The response the marketing illicits in me is very much of the “go fuck yourselves”, with your camera a bit too close so eyes appear enlarged, and a bit teary.... I sit and think children and those more easily affected are being abused! | |||
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"I feel angry and disgusted at the marketing of the pandemic, the “could you look into their eyes and tell them...”, the bbc piece showing how the gravedigger was busy-(in winter) with all the dramatic intent of the final scene in Blackadder 3, adverts telling me to behave like I have COVID (sit in my bed and gasp for air?) the constant “blood’s on your hands!”. It’s strong aggressive marketing which is unnecessary. the very fact that people continually still break the rules show that its not unnecessary - that emotional blackm**l and forcing personal accountability might not be needed to get you to follow the rules but for many others it is - if its too much for you just turn it off the sit in my bed and gasp for air comment is also ridiculous, its clear to anyone its saying you could be asymptomatic, so don’t wait til you have a positive result to behave in the way that you would to contain the infection - do it always" How about they also do a piece on the other side of the coin. "Could you look a 5 year old in the eyes and tell her that daddy's suicide was necessary " ? People's businesses, homes, marriages and relationships all being destroyed, yet not nearly as important to the media. The constant moving of goalposts is also causing misery and fatigue, not helped by bullshit politicians who don't have to worry about the difficulties of being locked down with a family in a small bedsit or flat with little or no outdoor area for escape. | |||
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"[post] depends how you look at it - i don’t see it as fact i see it as fact and personal accountability , i don’t think that makes them threatening but it might make people feel shame and guilt could i look someone in the eye and tell them i did my part to the best of my ability - i could could i be asymptomatic and if i am around people spread it - thats just a fact how many people are in hospital/ infected/ dead - all facts i do agree that what facts are shared are selectively chosen to influence behaviour, but if these messages instil guilt or shame in you then perhaps you aren’t doing everything you can and its exactly you they are targeted at Regardless of your own interpretation of accuracy, which I’m not disputing, these are examples of fear appeals- the definition of which is to attempt to arouse fear by emphasising potential danger or harm that will occur if people don’t adopt the messages recommendations They are often used in campaigns such as health promotion. There is a lot of debate and a wealth of literature on their efficacy. I was simply referring to this rather than admitting any personal guilt or shame. Tensions definitely run high in this forum " i have no idea if you play by the rules or not so wasn’t saying i think you personally should have guilt or shame - it was a more generic “you” because the point of the ads is to be personable so when you are watching them what does it do for you kind of thing ( is there a “ royal you” like the “royal we”? i dunno  )
i still disagree on the fear element though - just because they put fear into some people does not mean thats how every one reacts to them or even that was what they were designed to do - they are designed to make people think about their behaviour yes but that doesn’t have to be through a lense of fear
when i see them i am not scared that i might infect someone , i don’t fear that i will be next, i am not even frightened for my granny - i feel confident that i am doing the right thing, i feel empowered by knowing how to keep myself and others safe, i feel proud that I’ve done my bit
i think the connotations people (nearly wrote you again doh!) attach to them will be driven largely by their own behaviour over the last year and perhaps how they approach things in life in wider perspective (ie a panicker vs a planner etc)
i also feel like im sick to death of it all and turn them off now  but thats another matter the post was originally about - this idea of compassion fatigue | |||
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"I feel angry and disgusted at the marketing of the pandemic, the “could you look into their eyes and tell them...”, the bbc piece showing how the gravedigger was busy-(in winter) with all the dramatic intent of the final scene in Blackadder 3, adverts telling me to behave like I have COVID (sit in my bed and gasp for air?) the constant “blood’s on your hands!”. It’s strong aggressive marketing which is unnecessary. the very fact that people continually still break the rules show that its not unnecessary - that emotional blackm**l and forcing personal accountability might not be needed to get you to follow the rules but for many others it is - if its too much for you just turn it off the sit in my bed and gasp for air comment is also ridiculous, its clear to anyone its saying you could be asymptomatic, so don’t wait til you have a positive result to behave in the way that you would to contain the infection - do it always How about they also do a piece on the other side of the coin. "Could you look a 5 year old in the eyes and tell her that daddy's suicide was necessary " ? People's businesses, homes, marriages and relationships all being destroyed, yet not nearly as important to the media. The constant moving of goalposts is also causing misery and fatigue, not helped by bullshit politicians who don't have to worry about the difficulties of being locked down with a family in a small bedsit or flat with little or no outdoor area for escape. " Agree with you totally | |||
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"I feel angry and disgusted at the marketing of the pandemic, the “could you look into their eyes and tell them...”, the bbc piece showing how the gravedigger was busy-(in winter) with all the dramatic intent of the final scene in Blackadder 3, adverts telling me to behave like I have COVID (sit in my bed and gasp for air?) the constant “blood’s on your hands!”. It’s strong aggressive marketing which is unnecessary. the very fact that people continually still break the rules show that its not unnecessary - that emotional blackm**l and forcing personal accountability might not be needed to get you to follow the rules but for many others it is - if its too much for you just turn it off the sit in my bed and gasp for air comment is also ridiculous, its clear to anyone its saying you could be asymptomatic, so don’t wait til you have a positive result to behave in the way that you would to contain the infection - do it always How about they also do a piece on the other side of the coin. "Could you look a 5 year old in the eyes and tell her that daddy's suicide was necessary " ? People's businesses, homes, marriages and relationships all being destroyed, yet not nearly as important to the media. The constant moving of goalposts is also causing misery and fatigue, not helped by bullshit politicians who don't have to worry about the difficulties of being locked down with a family in a small bedsit or flat with little or no outdoor area for escape. " ive said this on many other threads and its a hard topic to challenge because its emotional but the horrible facts are - daddy’s suicide in that (hopefully hypothetical) scenario was a choice - how many people chose to become infected with covid and die? people have made suicide a covid issue when it was already an issue of its own, healthy people don’t commit suicide because they end up in a temporarily bad situation (lockdown or job loss etc), they understand the temporary nature of the situation and they hold on for the better future, its people suffering from mental health problems that this becomes too much for what i will never argue with is that the methods to combat covid have led to more of these bad situations for people, which in turn leads to an increase in people suffering from mental health issues or a worsening of some who were already suffering, that for some the last year has been the straw that broke the camels back so to speak - yes we need much more resources and cash and support thrown at this , not just now it should have been happening long before covid and should happen long after it is gone prevention of death or long term health effects from covid and prevention of mental health problems including suicide do not need to be mutually exclusive concepts | |||
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"Does anyone like me not really care any more?. I stick to the rules but I seem to have just stopped careing I don't care about how many have died don't care about how many are in hospital it just seems like I have become very numb to others suffering and my own i don't care if I catch coronavirus, don't seem to care about any thing to do with the virus, I'm just sort of sat waiting for it to all come to an end without a care in the world which seems very strange to me. " I find the charity begging adverts more up setting. It's normally anamails or children. But even affluent west will only give so much as we drink wine fill oure bellies in heated homes. Non of with sits well with me. | |||
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"I feel angry and disgusted at the marketing of the pandemic, the “could you look into their eyes and tell them...”, the bbc piece showing how the gravedigger was busy-(in winter) with all the dramatic intent of the final scene in Blackadder 3, adverts telling me to behave like I have COVID (sit in my bed and gasp for air?) the constant “blood’s on your hands!”. It’s strong aggressive marketing which is unnecessary. the very fact that people continually still break the rules show that its not unnecessary - that emotional blackm**l and forcing personal accountability might not be needed to get you to follow the rules but for many others it is - if its too much for you just turn it off the sit in my bed and gasp for air comment is also ridiculous, its clear to anyone its saying you could be asymptomatic, so don’t wait til you have a positive result to behave in the way that you would to contain the infection - do it always How about they also do a piece on the other side of the coin. "Could you look a 5 year old in the eyes and tell her that daddy's suicide was necessary " ? People's businesses, homes, marriages and relationships all being destroyed, yet not nearly as important to the media. The constant moving of goalposts is also causing misery and fatigue, not helped by bullshit politicians who don't have to worry about the difficulties of being locked down with a family in a small bedsit or flat with little or no outdoor area for escape. ive said this on many other threads and its a hard topic to challenge because its emotional but the horrible facts are - daddy’s suicide in that (hopefully hypothetical) scenario was a choice - how many people chose to become infected with covid and die? people have made suicide a covid issue when it was already an issue of its own, healthy people don’t commit suicide because they end up in a temporarily bad situation (lockdown or job loss etc), they understand the temporary nature of the situation and they hold on for the better future, its people suffering from mental health problems that this becomes too much for what i will never argue with is that the methods to combat covid have led to more of these bad situations for people, which in turn leads to an increase in people suffering from mental health issues or a worsening of some who were already suffering, that for some the last year has been the straw that broke the camels back so to speak - yes we need much more resources and cash and support thrown at this , not just now it should have been happening long before covid and should happen long after it is gone prevention of death or long term health effects from covid and prevention of mental health problems including suicide do not need to be mutually exclusive concepts " My mate took his life last year. He had borrowed against his house to invest in his business back in 2019. He got nothing from the government, the stress and anxiety was through the roof. It wasn't a choice that his wife and kids took, and to suggest otherwise is despicable. We could also use the same logic to say that those who caught and died from covid chose to be in a situation where they were exposed, so kind of their own fault as well then? The cure is more of a problem than the virus itself. | |||
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"[post] i have no idea if you play by the rules or not so wasn’t saying i think you personally should have guilt or shame - it was a more generic “you” because the point of the ads is to be personable so when you are watching them what does it do for you kind of thing ( is there a “ royal you” like the “royal we”? i dunno )
i still disagree on the fear element though - just because they put fear into some people does not mean thats how every one reacts to them or even that was what they were designed to do - they are designed to make people think about their behaviour yes but that doesn’t have to be through a lense of fear
when i see them i am not scared that i might infect someone , i don’t fear that i will be next, i am not even frightened for my granny - i feel confident that i am doing the right thing, i feel empowered by knowing how to keep myself and others safe, i feel proud that I’ve done my bit
i think the connotations people (nearly wrote you again doh!) attach to them will be driven largely by their own behaviour over the last year and perhaps how they approach things in life in wider perspective (ie a panicker vs a planner etc)
i also feel like im sick to death of it all and turn them off now but thats another matter the post was originally about - this idea of compassion fatigue"Well I don’t expect anyone to take the word of star-shaped off Fab, but they are clear examples of fear appeals. There is a lot being written about the use of fear based communication causing harm in the pandemic. E.g https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/full/10.1177/1090198120935073 | |||
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"I feel angry and disgusted at the marketing of the pandemic, the “could you look into their eyes and tell them...”, the bbc piece showing how the gravedigger was busy-(in winter) with all the dramatic intent of the final scene in Blackadder 3, adverts telling me to behave like I have COVID (sit in my bed and gasp for air?) the constant “blood’s on your hands!”. It’s strong aggressive marketing which is unnecessary. the very fact that people continually still break the rules show that its not unnecessary - that emotional blackm**l and forcing personal accountability might not be needed to get you to follow the rules but for many others it is - if its too much for you just turn it off the sit in my bed and gasp for air comment is also ridiculous, its clear to anyone its saying you could be asymptomatic, so don’t wait til you have a positive result to behave in the way that you would to contain the infection - do it always How about they also do a piece on the other side of the coin. "Could you look a 5 year old in the eyes and tell her that daddy's suicide was necessary " ? People's businesses, homes, marriages and relationships all being destroyed, yet not nearly as important to the media. The constant moving of goalposts is also causing misery and fatigue, not helped by bullshit politicians who don't have to worry about the difficulties of being locked down with a family in a small bedsit or flat with little or no outdoor area for escape. ive said this on many other threads and its a hard topic to challenge because its emotional but the horrible facts are - daddy’s suicide in that (hopefully hypothetical) scenario was a choice - how many people chose to become infected with covid and die? people have made suicide a covid issue when it was already an issue of its own, healthy people don’t commit suicide because they end up in a temporarily bad situation (lockdown or job loss etc), they understand the temporary nature of the situation and they hold on for the better future, its people suffering from mental health problems that this becomes too much for what i will never argue with is that the methods to combat covid have led to more of these bad situations for people, which in turn leads to an increase in people suffering from mental health issues or a worsening of some who were already suffering, that for some the last year has been the straw that broke the camels back so to speak - yes we need much more resources and cash and support thrown at this , not just now it should have been happening long before covid and should happen long after it is gone prevention of death or long term health effects from covid and prevention of mental health problems including suicide do not need to be mutually exclusive concepts My mate took his life last year. He had borrowed against his house to invest in his business back in 2019. He got nothing from the government, the stress and anxiety was through the roof. It wasn't a choice that his wife and kids took, and to suggest otherwise is despicable. We could also use the same logic to say that those who caught and died from covid chose to be in a situation where they were exposed, so kind of their own fault as well then? The cure is more of a problem than the virus itself. " im sorry for you loss and not suggesting its his own fault (in the same way i’m not suggesting anyone who got covid is to blame) , your friend needed help that he didn’t get in time i’m just trying to say suicide isn’t contagious, you cant go to the supermarket and catch it , and once you develop mental health problems there are methods available to help you get better, for most of people that have died from covid once they got it there was nothing that could be done to save them (this is getting better as treatments are being discovered) i just don’t see the point in trying to correlate covid and suicide or pit them off against each other when we should be putting pressure on the government to have appropriate action plans and support in place for both | |||
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"Does anyone like me not really care any more?. I stick to the rules but I seem to have just stopped careing I don't care about how many have died don't care about how many are in hospital it just seems like I have become very numb to others suffering and my own i don't care if I catch coronavirus, don't seem to care about any thing to do with the virus, I'm just sort of sat waiting for it to all come to an end without a care in the world which seems very strange to me. " Well, caring about something is hard to really nail down in relation to your points when you have no direct control over it. Do I care what happens to strangers?, their just a number to me, a statistical number bounded around on the news etc. I definitely don't wish anyone harm but it's like everything in the world, people die because of a million different reasons every minute so why or how should you brood on things you can't do anything about. I care about my family and friends and will do whatever I can to help, protect and support them. | |||
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"I feel angry and disgusted at the marketing of the pandemic, the “could you look into their eyes and tell them...”, the bbc piece showing how the gravedigger was busy-(in winter) with all the dramatic intent of the final scene in Blackadder 3, adverts telling me to behave like I have COVID (sit in my bed and gasp for air?) the constant “blood’s on your hands!”. It’s strong aggressive marketing which is unnecessary. the very fact that people continually still break the rules show that its not unnecessary - that emotional blackm**l and forcing personal accountability might not be needed to get you to follow the rules but for many others it is - if its too much for you just turn it off the sit in my bed and gasp for air comment is also ridiculous, its clear to anyone its saying you could be asymptomatic, so don’t wait til you have a positive result to behave in the way that you would to contain the infection - do it always How about they also do a piece on the other side of the coin. "Could you look a 5 year old in the eyes and tell her that daddy's suicide was necessary " ? People's businesses, homes, marriages and relationships all being destroyed, yet not nearly as important to the media. The constant moving of goalposts is also causing misery and fatigue, not helped by bullshit politicians who don't have to worry about the difficulties of being locked down with a family in a small bedsit or flat with little or no outdoor area for escape. So sorry to hear this I lost a ive said this on many other threads and its a hard topic to challenge because its emotional but the horrible facts are - daddy’s suicide in that (hopefully hypothetical) scenario was a choice - how many people chose to become infected with covid and die? people have made suicide a covid issue when it was already an issue of its own, healthy people don’t commit suicide because they end up in a temporarily bad situation (lockdown or job loss etc), they understand the temporary nature of the situation and they hold on for the better future, its people suffering from mental health problems that this becomes too much for what i will never argue with is that the methods to combat covid have led to more of these bad situations for people, which in turn leads to an increase in people suffering from mental health issues or a worsening of some who were already suffering, that for some the last year has been the straw that broke the camels back so to speak - yes we need much more resources and cash and support thrown at this , not just now it should have been happening long before covid and should happen long after it is gone prevention of death or long term health effects from covid and prevention of mental health problems including suicide do not need to be mutually exclusive concepts My mate took his life last year. He had borrowed against his house to invest in his business back in 2019. He got nothing from the government, the stress and anxiety was through the roof. It wasn't a choice that his wife and kids took, and to suggest otherwise is despicable. We could also use the same logic to say that those who caught and died from covid chose to be in a situation where they were exposed, so kind of their own fault as well then? The cure is more of a problem than the virus itself. " company that was my pension end of 2020 and it is hard. Have Osteoarthritis and have thought ment time of getting out so I do know where he was you work hard and it's all ripped away from hear I just don't know | |||
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"I feel angry and disgusted at the marketing of the pandemic, the “could you look into their eyes and tell them...”, the bbc piece showing how the gravedigger was busy-(in winter) with all the dramatic intent of the final scene in Blackadder 3, adverts telling me to behave like I have COVID (sit in my bed and gasp for air?) the constant “blood’s on your hands!”. It’s strong aggressive marketing which is unnecessary. the very fact that people continually still break the rules show that its not unnecessary - that emotional blackm**l and forcing personal accountability might not be needed to get you to follow the rules but for many others it is - if its too much for you just turn it off the sit in my bed and gasp for air comment is also ridiculous, its clear to anyone its saying you could be asymptomatic, so don’t wait til you have a positive result to behave in the way that you would to contain the infection - do it always How about they also do a piece on the other side of the coin. "Could you look a 5 year old in the eyes and tell her that daddy's suicide was necessary " ? People's businesses, homes, marriages and relationships all being destroyed, yet not nearly as important to the media. The constant moving of goalposts is also causing misery and fatigue, not helped by bullshit politicians who don't have to worry about the difficulties of being locked down with a family in a small bedsit or flat with little or no outdoor area for escape. ive said this on many other threads and its a hard topic to challenge because its emotional but the horrible facts are - daddy’s suicide in that (hopefully hypothetical) scenario was a choice - how many people chose to become infected with covid and die? people have made suicide a covid issue when it was already an issue of its own, healthy people don’t commit suicide because they end up in a temporarily bad situation (lockdown or job loss etc), they understand the temporary nature of the situation and they hold on for the better future, its people suffering from mental health problems that this becomes too much for what i will never argue with is that the methods to combat covid have led to more of these bad situations for people, which in turn leads to an increase in people suffering from mental health issues or a worsening of some who were already suffering, that for some the last year has been the straw that broke the camels back so to speak - yes we need much more resources and cash and support thrown at this , not just now it should have been happening long before covid and should happen long after it is gone prevention of death or long term health effects from covid and prevention of mental health problems including suicide do not need to be mutually exclusive concepts My mate took his life last year. He had borrowed against his house to invest in his business back in 2019. He got nothing from the government, the stress and anxiety was through the roof. It wasn't a choice that his wife and kids took, and to suggest otherwise is despicable. We could also use the same logic to say that those who caught and died from covid chose to be in a situation where they were exposed, so kind of their own fault as well then? The cure is more of a problem than the virus itself. im sorry for you loss and not suggesting its his own fault (in the same way i’m not suggesting anyone who got covid is to blame) , your friend needed help that he didn’t get in time i’m just trying to say suicide isn’t contagious, you cant go to the supermarket and catch it , and once you develop mental health problems there are methods available to help you get better, for most of people that have died from covid once they got it there was nothing that could be done to save them (this is getting better as treatments are being discovered) i just don’t see the point in trying to correlate covid and suicide or pit them off against each other when we should be putting pressure on the government to have appropriate action plans and support in place for both " And therein lays the problem. Any correlation is real, however it always seems to be " until you've lost someone close.... etc" which lends more emphasis on the tragedy at hand. Much can be said for lack of help in any circumstances, but its never as simple as just asking for help. Pride is hugely important with many older folks, and as all the mental health campaigns will tell you, not an easy thing to come to terms with. His whole life revolved around socialising, so imagine what that must have felt like to have it all pulled away from underneath him. We could equally argue that alcoholism is a choice, gender reassignment is a choice, going outside when there's a risk of catching a potentially deadly virus is also a choice. As I say, until oys a bit bit closer to home, then the ramifications don't really hit home. | |||
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"[post] depends how you look at it - i don’t see it as fact i see it as fact and personal accountability , i don’t think that makes them threatening but it might make people feel shame and guilt could i look someone in the eye and tell them i did my part to the best of my ability - i could could i be asymptomatic and if i am around people spread it - thats just a fact how many people are in hospital/ infected/ dead - all facts i do agree that what facts are shared are selectively chosen to influence behaviour, but if these messages instil guilt or shame in you then perhaps you aren’t doing everything you can and its exactly you they are targeted at Regardless of your own interpretation of accuracy, which I’m not disputing, these are examples of fear appeals- the definition of which is to attempt to arouse fear by emphasising potential danger or harm that will occur if people don’t adopt the messages recommendations They are often used in campaigns such as health promotion. There is a lot of debate and a wealth of literature on their efficacy. I was simply referring to this rather than admitting any personal guilt or shame. Tensions definitely run high in this forum i have no idea if you play by the rules or not so wasn’t saying i think you personally should have guilt or shame - it was a more generic “you” because the point of the ads is to be personable so when you are watching them what does it do for you kind of thing ( is there a “ royal you” like the “royal we”? i dunno )
i still disagree on the fear element though - just because they put fear into some people does not mean thats how every one reacts to them or even that was what they were designed to do - they are designed to make people think about their behaviour yes but that doesn’t have to be through a lense of fear
when i see them i am not scared that i might infect someone , i don’t fear that i will be next, i am not even frightened for my granny - i feel confident that i am doing the right thing, i feel empowered by knowing how to keep myself and others safe, i feel proud that I’ve done my bit
i think the connotations people (nearly wrote you again doh!) attach to them will be driven largely by their own behaviour over the last year and perhaps how they approach things in life in wider perspective (ie a panicker vs a planner etc)
i also feel like im sick to death of it all and turn them off now but thats another matter the post was originally about - this idea of compassion fatigue"So my behaviour is pretty good, my thinking goes like this.... staying at homes shite and a bit depressing for the most resilient of us.... what I need in the middle of emmerdale is someone’s cartoon like eyes staring back at me while a morose narrative plays along. I think that the marketing is designed to instil fear in everyone who watches it or hears it. I don’t need more fear thanks! I’m stuck in a house, I’m doing my bit so allow me rest! | |||
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"I feel angry and disgusted at the marketing of the pandemic, the “could you look into their eyes and tell them...”, the bbc piece showing how the gravedigger was busy-(in winter) with all the dramatic intent of the final scene in Blackadder 3, adverts telling me to behave like I have COVID (sit in my bed and gasp for air?) the constant “blood’s on your hands!”. It’s strong aggressive marketing which is unnecessary. the very fact that people continually still break the rules show that its not unnecessary - that emotional blackm**l and forcing personal accountability might not be needed to get you to follow the rules but for many others it is - if its too much for you just turn it off the sit in my bed and gasp for air comment is also ridiculous, its clear to anyone its saying you could be asymptomatic, so don’t wait til you have a positive result to behave in the way that you would to contain the infection - do it always And you think the effect of the marketing on those who choose to break rules is significant? I know the messages they are supposed to deliver. They are overly dramatic, unnecessary marketing. I could switch off.... it would be great for people who are following the rules to switch off for a few minutes rather than the constant bombardment.... and yes I agree it’s ridiculous, my comment is overly dramatic! i don’t think we will convince those breaking the rules , sadly no but if you turn down the heat on the messages of how bad it is , i think more people will join them positive messages about the vaccine are great and should be shared but to stop it letting complacency creep in from people who think that means we are at the end of this it needs ti be balanced against these messages of how serious it still is ... we are on the path out yes , but still a long way to go to get the whole country vaccinated and even then we need to continue to monitor for variants that evade the vaccine to make sure we don’t end up back at stage 1 we will come full circle and the marketing will eventually be over the top positive to get people back out and the economy moving again - the longer this goes on the more of us gain slight agoraphobic tendencies - wether it be from habit of staying home, fear of seeing others or just the emotional stress of the change between lockdown and freedom , i certainly used to be an extrovert and now im like a hermit " ".....positive messages about the vaccine are great and should be shared but to stop it letting complacency creep in from people who think that means we are at the end of this it needs ti be balanced against these messages of how serious it still is ...." ----------------------- This . That's a good point! | |||
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