FabSwingers.com forum: wondering if this is happening more then we know

By *usybee73 OP Man
over a year ago

in the sticks

so deaths are being put down as covid even though they had negative tests ...

from the article

For when I registered Dad's death by telephone (as you have to these days), the registrar told me there had been very many other cases like ours where 'the deceased' had not tested positive for Covid, yet it was recorded as the cause of death.

They agreed that, yes, it must distort the national figures — 'and yet the strangest thing is that every winter we record countless deaths from flu, and this winter there have been none. Not one!'

So, I asked, did the registrar wonder if deaths from flu were being misdiagnosed and lumped together with Covid deaths? The answer was a puzzled 'Yes'.

The funeral director said the same thing, saying they had lost count of the number of families upset by the same issue.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9279767/BEL-MOONEY-dad-died-chronic-illness-hes-officially-Covid-victim.html

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By *oved Up 2Couple
over a year ago

nottingham

Personally I wouldn't believe anything published in the Daily Mail

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

but why would they want to inflate figures.. to increase fear? why? a lot of rich people and government are loosing too much money as it is . its a massive risk for a conspiracy reset..

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By *andyfloss2000Woman
over a year ago

ashford

Yes indeed! X

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By *osweet69Couple
over a year ago

portsmouth

The death figures are undoubtedly distorted but now else do you keep a country in lock down without the fear factor?

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By *ungblackbullMan
over a year ago

scotland

I thought that the official stats were those who died within 28 days of a positive test. This situation wouldn't count in the government numbers but maybe would on ONS?

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By *entlemanrogueMan
over a year ago

Motherwell

Im surprised you are just catching on to the distortion of covid figures, it has been happening from the start

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"but why would they want to inflate figures.. to increase fear? why? a lot of rich people and government are loosing too much money as it is . its a massive risk for a conspiracy reset.. "

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By *ubbermaidbabyCouple
over a year ago

clwyd

Heard someone say if you have Covid as a cause of death, there’s no post mortem carried out either. So how accurate death figures are is open to interpretation. This maybe incorrect but it makes you wonder.

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By *ittleMissCaliWoman
over a year ago

all loved up

I dont get where the no deaths from flu have come from. There are still recorded deaths from it if you look for the figures

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

An anecdote from a daily mail "article" is possibly the least reliable source known to science. That which can be asserted without evidence can be...

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By *ungblackbullMan
over a year ago

scotland

"I dont get where the no deaths from flu have come from. There are still recorded deaths from it if you look for the figures"

People making up stuff to suit the narrative.

If course, given the lockdown that reduced the R number of covid from 3 or 4 down as far as 0.6 - 0.9, what do these people think would happen to flu which has an average R number of 1.28...

It's impossible to flu to really have an impact.

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"The death figures are undoubtedly distorted but now else do you keep a country in lock down without the fear factor? "

Why are they doing it?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

A quick look at the ONS will tell you there have been recorded flu deaths in 2020 and 2021. Yes they are lower than an average year but of course they are because we are in lockdown and people are being more cautious regarding hygiene.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The death figures are undoubtedly distorted but now else do you keep a country in lock down without the fear factor? "

The weekly death figures for January 2021 are:

17751, 18042, 18676, 18448 for the first 4 weeks.

For 2020 those same weeks were,

12254, 14058, 12990, 11856.

So the rates being reported are significantly higher in 2021 than in 2020. Approx 30-40% higher week on week.

That's not the government saying that or "distorting figures"

That's the ONS

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By *tue555Man
over a year ago

Passed Beyond Reach

"but why would they want to inflate figures.. to increase fear? why? a lot of rich people and government are loosing too much money as it is . its a massive risk for a conspiracy reset.. "

Fear is a great motivator, warlords, dictators, Putin, governments.

Statistics are used to support arguments and are used to manipulate the respective narrative, anti government campaigners use cherry picked statistics to try and support the their arguments.

A lot of statistics are given but don't include factors that may make them more realistic.

All that said and all the arguments will continue, but if the government had said "Shitstorm is about to hit us so we need all to be responsible not take risks and not risk other" How many would have paid attention, and not just simply said (Fuck you) How many do anyway?

In a lot of cases the statistics have been massaged, shall we say, to try and get the seriousness of the situation across, those that are moaning about these statistics are the ones trying to justify being irresponsible and putting others at risk.

Also a factors in why UK hit so hard opposed to other countries, took responsibility to do the right thing.

Fear is a great motivator but wouldn't be needed if there weren't soo many f.......ts trying it on

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

there have still been deaths from flu so straight away it shows that the source is bending facts for their own narrative and the entire article becomes unreliable crap with an agenda

also the comment about no post mortem if you have covid - i think there is a common misconception that every person gets a post mortem which is just not true - if the cause of death is obvious and there is no suspicious circumstances then you dint get a post mortem

people died without post mortem all the time before covid and will continue to do now

if someone is in a hospital bed and dies of clear complications from covid what benefit is there to cutting then open to mark down how they died?

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

Daily fail. Who wants the country opened up, so their bias gets them to manipulate their loyal readers' indifference and breaks support for the national public position.

Don't rely on rags to give you a cleaner perspective.

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By *orthern StarsCouple
over a year ago

Durham

Exactly. No one is dying from winter flu, and we bet when the statistics are produced for deaths from cancer and heart disease, those figures will of dramatically dropped.

Covid death figures have been distorted from the very start. People need to look at the bigger picture.

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By *D835Man
over a year ago

London

"there have still been deaths from flu so straight away it shows that the source is bending facts for their own narrative and the entire article becomes unreliable crap with an agenda

people died without post mortem all the time before covid and will continue to do now

if someone is in a hospital bed and dies of clear complications from covid what benefit is there to cutting then open to mark down how they died? "

This

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I’m sure that the section of the population who would be susceptible to flu would certainly be at greater risk of Covid. However the excess deaths are there for a reason and that reason is Covid.

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