FabSwingers.com forum: Where would you like the numbers to be to start redusing restrictions

By *ove2pleaseseuk OP Man
over a year ago

Hastings

Posertive tests down to 1000 per day and an R number under 0.5. Or will that take to long to get to.

If Boris wants to do it buy the numbers what do you think the numbers should be.

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

I'd want stricter safety measures in schools, funded by the government. I'd want better enforcement of isolation and payment to do so in more cases. I'd want hotel quarantine broader and better organised. I'd want test and trace to be functional.

Hospitalised patients half of April peak or less. Cases at or under 100/100k, with a binding step down (or up) at certain case rates.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think once the numbers are at a level where we are able to operate the NHS to a near normal level and when the first 9 groups have had their first jab and those in the first 4 groups their second we should be seriously lifting as many restrictions as possible.

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

Selective opening up, in some instances only to those who have had the jab.

The r rate below 0.5 for at least a month. Infections below 50 per 100k.

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By *arakiss12TV/TS
over a year ago

Bedford

It's got to be zero on all counts.

Plus the you need the rest of the world to catch up.Plus there are foreign and British diplomats and CEO's flitting in and out of the country in private jets on the sly, no hotel quarantine there, not to mention all the boat people coming in from the channel.

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By *ark Knight 2017Man
over a year ago

Ware

1000 is not possible.

With ANY test you have a false positve rate.. Even the PCR one is at a conservative estimate 0.3 %.. So test 700k a day and you have 2100 false results.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It's got to be zero on all counts.

This will be impossible to achieve, counting there are too many people in the U.K. borders are still open anyway and people are still meeting for work, etc

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By *all me FlikWoman
over a year ago

Galaxy Far Far Away

To properly start opening up again I would say you need at least 80% of the population vaccinated and strict border control only allowing vaccinated people entry.

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By *ove2pleaseseuk OP Man
over a year ago

Hastings

Looks like England will be opening schools up this has to be to much to soon

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By *atEvolutionCouple
over a year ago

atlantisEVOLUTION Swingers Club Stoke

"Posertive tests down to 1000 per day and an R number under 0.5. Or will that take to long to get to.

If Boris wants to do it buy the numbers what do you think the numbers should be.

I would like 75% of the Adult population to have had a vaccination.

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By *oojCouple
over a year ago

Exeter

It will never be zero as it will keep mutating, it is here to stay but hopefully at a manageable level

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By *ackformore100Man
over a year ago

Tin town

"It's got to be zero on all counts.

Yes it would be interesting to know how many flights and boat journeys are taking place and how many are on them that are avoiding any form of restriction. The elite sports are an example. The Rita ora brigade another.

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By *ackformore100Man
over a year ago

Tin town

"Posertive tests down to 1000 per day and an R number under 0.5. Or will that take to long to get to.

If Boris wants to do it buy the numbers what do you think the numbers should be.

Lock down or... As it was labelled lock down is pretty much over already. I think the numbers are an irrelevance to the population. Many of whom are doing their own thing. Albeit with modified behaviour. Govt can make any policy it wants but without the population Adopting them its not relevant. I imagine in another months time once the spring is here people will just be going cautiously about their business whatever govt say. The numbers are still incredibly high... My biggest concern is high community infection rates mean there is opportunity for mutation and that with a small shift in R number things can get out of control again very very quickly.

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By *ove2pleaseseuk OP Man
over a year ago

Hastings

"Posertive tests down to 1000 per day and an R number under 0.5. Or will that take to long to get to.

If Boris wants to do it buy the numbers what do you think the numbers should be.

And it dose seem to be have like a fire as in it spreads very quickly but can take so long to get it back under control.

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By *ungblackbullMan
over a year ago

scotland

"It will never be zero as it will keep mutating, it is here to stay but hopefully at a manageable level"

You're assuming that the mutations will prevent the vaccine from working. The vaccine is still very effective against the mutations so far.

If the vaccine can keep the R Number below 1 the virus will eventually die out. The more who have the vaccine and the quicker they get it, the nearer to zero we will get.

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"1000 is not possible.

With ANY test you have a false positve rate.. Even the PCR one is at a conservative estimate 0.3 %.. So test 700k a day and you have 2100 false results. "

Why do the false positive rates not show up in Australia or New Zealand, if that kind of false positive rate is baked in?

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By *ove2pleaseseuk OP Man
over a year ago

Hastings

"It will never be zero as it will keep mutating, it is here to stay but hopefully at a manageable level

You're assuming that the mutations will prevent the vaccine from working. The vaccine is still very effective against the mutations so far.

If the vaccine can keep the R Number below 1 the virus will eventually die out. The more who have the vaccine and the quicker they get it, the nearer to zero we will get."

If we can get R to 0.5 and hold it we will be wining to me 1 is like a draw it's not going any where but 1.2 and you are lossing the battle and are looking at lockdown

Or is this just to simple to a complex problem.

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"It will never be zero as it will keep mutating, it is here to stay but hopefully at a manageable level

You're assuming that the mutations will prevent the vaccine from working. The vaccine is still very effective against the mutations so far.

If the vaccine can keep the R Number below 1 the virus will eventually die out. The more who have the vaccine and the quicker they get it, the nearer to zero we will get.

If we can get R to 0.5 and hold it we will be wining to me 1 is like a draw it's not going any where but 1.2 and you are lossing the battle and are looking at lockdown

Or is this just to simple to a complex problem."

That's essentially it. 1 is maintaining transmission, less will quell outbreaks

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By *ackformore100Man
over a year ago

Tin town

"1000 is not possible.

With ANY test you have a false positve rate.. Even the PCR one is at a conservative estimate 0.3 %.. So test 700k a day and you have 2100 false results.

Why do the false positive rates not show up in Australia or New Zealand, if that kind of false positive rate is baked in?"

On the other hemisphere the polarity switches so false positives would be false negatives? Water goes the wrong way down the plug hole down there too.

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"1000 is not possible.

With ANY test you have a false positve rate.. Even the PCR one is at a conservative estimate 0.3 %.. So test 700k a day and you have 2100 false results.

Why do the false positive rates not show up in Australia or New Zealand, if that kind of false positive rate is baked in?

On the other hemisphere the polarity switches so false positives would be false negatives? Water goes the wrong way down the plug hole down there too. "

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By *ove2pleaseseuk OP Man
over a year ago

Hastings

"1000 is not possible.

With ANY test you have a false positve rate.. Even the PCR one is at a conservative estimate 0.3 %.. So test 700k a day and you have 2100 false results.

Why do the false positive rates not show up in Australia or New Zealand, if that kind of false positive rate is baked in?

On the other hemisphere the polarity switches so false positives would be false negatives? Water goes the wrong way down the plug hole down there too.

Got to love that and it not even the same day down there. As night is day as up hear day is night

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"1000 is not possible.

With ANY test you have a false positve rate.. Even the PCR one is at a conservative estimate 0.3 %.. So test 700k a day and you have 2100 false results.

Why do the false positive rates not show up in Australia or New Zealand, if that kind of false positive rate is baked in?

On the other hemisphere the polarity switches so false positives would be false negatives? Water goes the wrong way down the plug hole down there too.

Got to love that and it not even the same day down there. As night is day as up hear day is night

Might be up to 13 hours ahead (New Zealand, this time of year), but people are people and PCR tests are PCR tests

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By *lamourpussyCouple
over a year ago

Warwick

"Posertive tests down to 1000 per day and an R number under 0.5. Or will that take to long to get to.

If Boris wants to do it buy the numbers what do you think the numbers should be.

I think that is about right. By then most vulnerable groups will have received their first vaccine too.

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By *ove2pleaseseuk OP Man
over a year ago

Hastings

"Posertive tests down to 1000 per day and an R number under 0.5. Or will that take to long to get to.

If Boris wants to do it buy the numbers what do you think the numbers should be.

I think that is about right. By then most vulnerable groups will have received their first vaccine too."

Can only thank you for that...

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By *atricia ParnelWoman
over a year ago

In a town full of colours

I'd like us to be in a position that anyone who wants the vaccine has had it regardless of what group they are in.

Hospital admissions and death figures low would be my guess for boris

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By *odgerMan
over a year ago

Coventry(ish)

Redusing, posertive and Boris....oh god why?

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By *ark Knight 2017Man
over a year ago

Ware

"1000 is not possible.

With ANY test you have a false positve rate.. Even the PCR one is at a conservative estimate 0.3 %.. So test 700k a day and you have 2100 false results.

Why do the false positive rates not show up in Australia or New Zealand, if that kind of false positive rate is baked in?"

They are not hyper testing 750K a day..

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By *odgerMan
over a year ago

Coventry(ish)

I'm really not sure why folk that cannot spell are offering up medical or expert opinion on this matter.

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By *orth_hantscplCouple
over a year ago

camberley

"I'm really not sure why folk that cannot spell are offering up medical or expert opinion on this matter. "

So because people aren’t perfect at spelling they’re not allowed to have a conversation about what they think is going to happen? You do know they’re not actually advising the government don’t you?

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By *UTTERFLY EVENTSWoman
over a year ago

Wherever I'm hosting

"Redusing, posertive and Boris....oh god why?"

This!!!!

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By *odgerMan
over a year ago

Coventry(ish)

"I'm really not sure why folk that cannot spell are offering up medical or expert opinion on this matter.

Looks like England will be opening schools up this has to be to much to soon

Of course they're allowed to have a conversation. I'm merely wondering what qualifications the poster has to back up this particular view.

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By *odgerMan
over a year ago

Coventry(ish)

"Redusing, posertive and Boris....oh god why?

This!!!!

If only!

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By *ikeC81Man
over a year ago

harrow

Personally keep everything locked down to Easter (current rules) - I don’t want that at all but if it allows the virus to reduce as much as possible then so be it

I would say primary schools back first then secondary schools a couple of weeks later

In the mean time get 50% of population first jab with the first 4 bands on 2nd jab

Reasonable I think

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By *odgerMan
over a year ago

Coventry(ish)

"Personally keep everything locked down to Easter (current rules) - I don’t want that at all but if it allows the virus to reduce as much as possible then so be it

I would say primary schools back first then secondary schools a couple of weeks later

In the mean time get 50% of population first jab with the first 4 bands on 2nd jab

Reasonable I think "

Qualifications Mike?

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By *ove2pleaseseuk OP Man
over a year ago

Hastings

"Personally keep everything locked down to Easter (current rules) - I don’t want that at all but if it allows the virus to reduce as much as possible then so be it

I would say primary schools back first then secondary schools a couple of weeks later

In the mean time get 50% of population first jab with the first 4 bands on 2nd jab

Reasonable I think "

And you think 1000 kids in one school there is no chance of increased transmission it would only take 1 and then what

Got to be less chance of transmission in small shops and gyms. I get the kids don't get so I'll but the all go home to parents ho might? No

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By *ackformore100Man
over a year ago

Tin town

I wonder how many people have seen inside a school in the last 6 months or understand how they are set up in covid times?

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"I wonder how many people have seen inside a school in the last 6 months or understand how they are set up in covid times? "

I haven't been in a school in over six years (or more), but I've kept an eye on things like the Indie Sage broadcasts, who discuss schools regularly.

An easy fix would be making masks mandatory in classrooms

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By *ove2pleaseseuk OP Man
over a year ago

Hastings

"I wonder how many people have seen inside a school in the last 6 months or understand how they are set up in covid times? "

No I haven't but I live near 3 and lots go through the gate together and then mix in a crowded play ground befor going in and with junior schools the mums still get round for a chat.

As for the older ones well boys will be boys right was like when I was at school groups together boys and girls kissing then the mask gose on as the go in.

But like supermarkets I but my mask on in the car but lots wait till the car last minute don't know why?

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By *ob198XaMan
over a year ago

teleford

Most schools have been operating at between 30 and 50% occupation since this lockdown started. There is nothing to suggest those children are driving infections at all, it is very unlikely putting the other 50% back in will have very much impact on infections rates.

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By *itty9899Man
over a year ago

Craggy Island

0, would be a start.

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By *pursChick aka ShortieWoman
over a year ago

On a mooch

"I wonder how many people have seen inside a school in the last 6 months or understand how they are set up in covid times? "

Not many at all, lots of summarising going on

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