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"We hope that the true cost of flying's environmental damage is included in flight costs when things reopen. It is madness that it is cheaper to fly to Spain than it is to get a bus or train a much shorter distance in this country. Aeroplane fuel should be taxed at least as much as road fuel." Only the well off will be able to travel abroad, is that good ? | |||
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"Not sure why there is an obsession with holidays.. foreign or at home..." because some people enjoy travelling and as a family it is something we look forward to every year. | |||
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"Not sure why there is an obsession with holidays.. foreign or at home..." A change is a good as a rest I think the saying goes. Children also enjoy holidays - good for their development in many different ways. If none of the above appeals ...then British weather is certainly something to escape from time to time. | |||
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"Not sure why there is an obsession with holidays.. foreign or at home...because some people enjoy travelling and as a family it is something we look forward to every year." Stay at home, stay safe, protect the NHS | |||
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"We hope that the true cost of flying's environmental damage is included in flight costs when things reopen. It is madness that it is cheaper to fly to Spain than it is to get a bus or train a much shorter distance in this country. Aeroplane fuel should be taxed at least as much as road fuel. Only the well off will be able to travel abroad, is that good ? " no it’s not. Our kids are able to visit places and cultures I could never dream of when I was their age. If it is made too expensive then that life education stops. | |||
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"Only the well off will be able to travel abroad, is that good ? " Most people should still be able to have a holiday, even if it is short haul. It should curtail the multiple trips and weekends away. This is a price worth paying for the environmental benefits. If Ryanair went bust it would be the best outcome. | |||
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"So it looks like another year of no foreign holidays..... But what will happen price wise next year. Will tour operators be even more greedy than they were( especially during school holiday time) and ramp up the prices to a point were few can afford it, or will they take the sensible approach and keep prices reasonable and re establish themselves in the market place. " I won't be going away but it's a free market, you're never gonna beat higher school holiday pricing unless the government reorganise the school year, with different regions going on holiday at different times etc. Supply and demand. I do agree with fair aircraft taxation though. | |||
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"Only the well off will be able to travel abroad, is that good ? Most people should still be able to have a holiday, even if it is short haul. It should curtail the multiple trips and weekends away. This is a price worth paying for the environmental benefits. If Ryanair went bust it would be the best outcome." Why would Ryanair going bust and putting all there employees out of work be best outcome ? | |||
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"'Ryanair going bust would be the best outcome ' Tell that to Ryanair employees, baggage handlers,security staff,airport cleaners ,the list is endless " That’s what we just said , Jobs after this are going to be in short supply for many people for years to come after this , can’t see how shutting down the Travel industry is helping matters ? | |||
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"Why would Ryanair going bust and putting all there employees out of work be best outcome ? " Because they are an awful company to deal with. They have raced to the bottom in terms of price and service. Unfortunately they are now the only option on some routes because people have been sucked in to the low price hype even though by the time you get through the website and the compulsory "options" the Ryanair price isn't actually much cheaper than a proper airline. | |||
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"Why would Ryanair going bust and putting all there employees out of work be best outcome ? Because they are an awful company to deal with. They have raced to the bottom in terms of price and service. Unfortunately they are now the only option on some routes because people have been sucked in to the low price hype even though by the time you get through the website and the compulsory "options" the Ryanair price isn't actually much cheaper than a proper airline." And all there Employees out of work ? | |||
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"Why would Ryanair going bust and putting all there employees out of work be best outcome ? Because they are an awful company to deal with. They have raced to the bottom in terms of price and service. Unfortunately they are now the only option on some routes because people have been sucked in to the low price hype even though by the time you get through the website and the compulsory "options" the Ryanair price isn't actually much cheaper than a proper airline. And all there Employees out of work ? " The airline industry is too big so people will have to re-train for something else. | |||
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"Why would Ryanair going bust and putting all there employees out of work be best outcome ? Because they are an awful company to deal with. They have raced to the bottom in terms of price and service. Unfortunately they are now the only option on some routes because people have been sucked in to the low price hype even though by the time you get through the website and the compulsory "options" the Ryanair price isn't actually much cheaper than a proper airline. And all there Employees out of work ? The airline industry is too big so people will have to re-train for something else." LOL | |||
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"It's not just foreign holidays, going away in the UK might not be allowed either. I'm not bothered about going abroad but a change of scenery for a week would of been good. Ah wellllll." This is the most telling part for me of what has been said this week, don’t book holidays abroad or in the UK, for me shows restrictions likely to stay and if relaxed maybe just relaxed in your area and no travelling around.... time will tell, let’s see what is said 22 February and the road map out | |||
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"This is the most telling part for me of what has been said this week, don’t book holidays abroad or in the UK, for me shows restrictions likely to stay and if relaxed maybe just relaxed in your area and no travelling around.... time will tell, let’s see what is said 22 February and the road map out " matt hancock is allright though. he's already booked himself a nice holiday in cornwall befor he anounced a ban on holidays for everyone else | |||
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"It's not just foreign holidays, going away in the UK might not be allowed either. I'm not bothered about going abroad but a change of scenery for a week would of been good. Ah wellllll. This is the most telling part for me of what has been said this week, don’t book holidays abroad or in the UK, for me shows restrictions likely to stay and if relaxed maybe just relaxed in your area and no travelling around.... time will tell, let’s see what is said 22 February and the road map out " It was spoken about on the news I think on Tues. Let's hope it's good news, personally I can deal with not going away abroad but will struggle if I can't take my kids somewhere for a week. Cabin fever galore! | |||
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"This is the most telling part for me of what has been said this week, don’t book holidays abroad or in the UK, for me shows restrictions likely to stay and if relaxed maybe just relaxed in your area and no travelling around.... time will tell, let’s see what is said 22 February and the road map out matt hancock is allright though. he's already booked himself a nice holiday in cornwall befor he anounced a ban on holidays for everyone else" Its illegal atm, if that's the case when he is due to go he'll have to cancel it. Imagine the uproar if he still went  | |||
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"We hope that the true cost of flying's environmental damage is included in flight costs when things reopen. It is madness that it is cheaper to fly to Spain than it is to get a bus or train a much shorter distance in this country. Aeroplane fuel should be taxed at least as much as road fuel." why should it go up.... I can barely afford it now... I've booked 2 holidays for this year while prices are low. Not till October and December... had to price in the covid tests too. I hope I do get to Italy this year | |||
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"We hope that the true cost of flying's environmental damage is included in flight costs when things reopen. It is madness that it is cheaper to fly to Spain than it is to get a bus or train a much shorter distance in this country. Aeroplane fuel should be taxed at least as much as road fuel. Only the well off will be able to travel abroad, is that good ? " Back to the old days eh? I suspect more people will take holidays in the UK, again like the old days. | |||
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"It's not just foreign holidays, going away in the UK might not be allowed either. I'm not bothered about going abroad but a change of scenery for a week would of been good. Ah wellllll. This is the most telling part for me of what has been said this week, don’t book holidays abroad or in the UK, for me shows restrictions likely to stay and if relaxed maybe just relaxed in your area and no travelling around.... time will tell, let’s see what is said 22 February and the road map out It was spoken about on the news I think on Tues. Let's hope it's good news, personally I can deal with not going away abroad but will struggle if I can't take my kids somewhere for a week. Cabin fever galore!" Agree. For me it’s not so much the holiday but just the change of scene from the 2sq miles we live in. Hoping a trip to the parents in the countryside will be allowed, small village, plenty of fresh air, walks and grandparent time | |||
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"So it looks like another year of no foreign holidays..... But what will happen price wise next year. Will tour operators be even more greedy than they were( especially during school holiday time) and ramp up the prices to a point were few can afford it, or will they take the sensible approach and keep prices reasonable and re establish themselves in the market place. " is there any point even going abroad, now we have brexited wont duty free be a thing of the past, and likely we will get a poor reception from our Eu friends. | |||
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"why should it go up.... I can barely afford it now... I've booked 2 holidays for this year while prices are low." And we rest our case.... | |||
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"We hope that the true cost of flying's environmental damage is included in flight costs when things reopen. It is madness that it is cheaper to fly to Spain than it is to get a bus or train a much shorter distance in this country. Aeroplane fuel should be taxed at least as much as road fuel." No it shouldn't.  | |||
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"I see not too many on here are concerned about the people in countries like Greece and Spanish Islands whose livelihoods and communities depend on foreign tourism." Not really I’m more concerned with this countries economy  | |||
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"why should it go up.... I can barely afford it now... I've booked 2 holidays for this year while prices are low. And we rest our case...." I might consider normal airlines if prices went up and there was more space on them, till then I’ll just continue to charter when I want to go away.. | |||
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"I see not too many on here are concerned about the people in countries like Greece and Spanish Islands whose livelihoods and communities depend on foreign tourism." I'm more worried about the pandemic. | |||
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"Personally we moved last years holiday to this year and will be gutted if are unable to go All we have done for 12 months is go to work we don't class last year as having a life it was just nessasary All this lockdown needs to do one Vaccines are on target so elderly n vulnerable will be done We personally would prefer to take a chance and get on with our lives Could be hit by a bus tomorrow ffs Funny how I can work with 65 people but I can't Invite any of them round for a drink Government is utter shambles from start to finish Other countries vaccinating anyone who can't work from home not us And now we are vaccinating people illegally entering the country regardless of age and footing the bill for a hotel while they quarantine Total joke " Completely agree, this is not a life we are currently living, merely existing  | |||
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"This is the most telling part for me of what has been said this week, don’t book holidays abroad or in the UK, for me shows restrictions likely to stay and if relaxed maybe just relaxed in your area and no travelling around.... time will tell, let’s see what is said 22 February and the road map out matt hancock is allright though. he's already booked himself a nice holiday in cornwall befor he anounced a ban on holidays for everyone else Its illegal atm, if that's the case when he is due to go he'll have to cancel it. Imagine the uproar if he still went "Poor Cornwall, they might have Matt Hancock visiting them. I hope doesn`t go in solidarity for people who can`t go wether finaciallyy or health wise. I don`t plan on going anywhere for the next 18 months. | |||
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"I see not too many on here are concerned about the people in countries like Greece and Spanish Islands whose livelihoods and communities depend on foreign tourism. I'm more worried about the pandemic." There's more to the pandemic than just Covid. | |||
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"Not sure why there is an obsession with holidays.. foreign or at home..." Learning other countries histories and cultures is amazing... as much as I love lounging round a pool too! lol Lots to do and see!  | |||
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"I see not too many on here are concerned about the people in countries like Greece and Spanish Islands whose livelihoods and communities depend on foreign tourism. I'm more worried about the pandemic. There's more to the pandemic than just Covid." What, Covid and knock on effects of Covid? Sure is. I'm keeping my germs to myself until it's sorted out. | |||
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" Well if Mr Hancock does visit Cornwall i'm sure the locals could ask about the same level of funding they got under the "EU" and the fishing industry !! and why it's one of poorest ares of the country and some of the worse housing problems despite having one of the countries highest levels of 2nd homes ?? "I agree, definitely needs help jobwise. | |||
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"So it looks like another year of no foreign holidays..... But what will happen price wise next year. Will tour operators be even more greedy than they were( especially during school holiday time) and ramp up the prices to a point were few can afford it, or will they take the sensible approach and keep prices reasonable and re establish themselves in the market place. " I've never had a desire to holiday abroad! A week on the isle of wight will do me x | |||
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"Not sure why there is an obsession with holidays.. foreign or at home... Learning other countries histories and cultures is amazing... as much as I love lounging round a pool too! lol Lots to do and see! "Try a library perhaps.. | |||
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"In the greater scheme of things a couple of years without a holiday isn't really the end of the world. A lot of people have not had a holiday for years, regardless of a global pandemic. " No you are right it’s not the end of the world, however, just because LOTS of people have not had a holiday for years doesn’t mean the people who choose to spend their hard earned money on holidays should be less entitled! LOTS of people smoke , we don’t! LOTS of people drink, we don’t! LOTS of people take drugs, we don’t! LOTS of people chose not to work, we do and very damn hard and spend our money visiting different countries round the world. So quite frankly I don’t care if people don’t have holidays for whatever reason if people want to and can afford to that is their choice  | |||
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"Personally we moved last years holiday to this year and will be gutted if are unable to go All we have done for 12 months is go to work we don't class last year as having a life it was just nessasary All this lockdown needs to do one Vaccines are on target so elderly n vulnerable will be done We personally would prefer to take a chance and get on with our lives Could be hit by a bus tomorrow ffs Funny how I can work with 65 people but I can't Invite any of them round for a drink Government is utter shambles from start to finish Other countries vaccinating anyone who can't work from home not us And now we are vaccinating people illegally entering the country regardless of age and footing the bill for a hotel while they quarantine Total joke Completely agree, this is not a life we are currently living, merely existing "And it’s not going to end till the majority say enough is enough, hopefully not much longer till it tips that way | |||
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"Personally we moved last years holiday to this year and will be gutted if are unable to go All we have done for 12 months is go to work we don't class last year as having a life it was just nessasary All this lockdown needs to do one Vaccines are on target so elderly n vulnerable will be done We personally would prefer to take a chance and get on with our lives Could be hit by a bus tomorrow ffs Funny how I can work with 65 people but I can't Invite any of them round for a drink Government is utter shambles from start to finish Other countries vaccinating anyone who can't work from home not us And now we are vaccinating people illegally entering the country regardless of age and footing the bill for a hotel while they quarantine Total joke Completely agree, this is not a life we are currently living, merely existing And it’s not going to end till the majority say enough is enough, hopefully not much longer till it tips that way "And then what happens | |||
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" And it’s not going to end till the majority say enough is enough, hopefully not much longer till it tips that way " I didn't realise being fed up was an effective anti viral 
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Can we use it against HIV too?"Did we mention Fed up ? | |||
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" And it’s not going to end till the majority say enough is enough, hopefully not much longer till it tips that way I didn't realise being fed up was an effective anti viral
Can we use it against HIV too? Did we mention Fed up ? "Ok, "the majority say enough is enough". New antiviral. I hope it works on HIV too. I assume you'll be looking for your Nobel prize. | |||
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"Personally we moved last years holiday to this year and will be gutted if are unable to go All we have done for 12 months is go to work we don't class last year as having a life it was just nessasary All this lockdown needs to do one Vaccines are on target so elderly n vulnerable will be done We personally would prefer to take a chance and get on with our lives Could be hit by a bus tomorrow ffs Funny how I can work with 65 people but I can't Invite any of them round for a drink Government is utter shambles from start to finish Other countries vaccinating anyone who can't work from home not us And now we are vaccinating people illegally entering the country regardless of age and footing the bill for a hotel while they quarantine Total joke Completely agree, this is not a life we are currently living, merely existing And it’s not going to end till the majority say enough is enough, hopefully not much longer till it tips that way
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Try a library perhaps.."Very sad existence if you have to learn through only books and never experience for yourself. Someone seems bitter about people enjoying travel  weird. | |||
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"We hope that the true cost of flying's environmental damage is included in flight costs when things reopen. It is madness that it is cheaper to fly to Spain than it is to get a bus or train a much shorter distance in this country. Aeroplane fuel should be taxed at least as much as road fuel." | |||
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"In the greater scheme of things a couple of years without a holiday isn't really the end of the world. A lot of people have not had a holiday for years, regardless of a global pandemic. " 2012 was my last holiday a week on the isle of wight ! Hope to go back there this summer glamping x | |||
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"No I just think it's irresponsible and selfish to travel, spreading the virus and infecting others " The OP was about holidays next year and the costs and if/ how this would work. Nothing about going right now mid pandemic. People will travel again eventually when it’s safer too. | |||
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"No I just think it's irresponsible and selfish to travel, spreading the virus and infecting others The OP was about holidays next year and the costs and if/ how this would work. Nothing about going right now mid pandemic. People will travel again eventually when it’s safer too. " I hope to return to travelling eventually. | |||
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"Why would Ryanair going bust and putting all there employees out of work be best outcome ? Because they are an awful company to deal with. They have raced to the bottom in terms of price and service. Unfortunately they are now the only option on some routes because people have been sucked in to the low price hype even though by the time you get through the website and the compulsory "options" the Ryanair price isn't actually much cheaper than a proper airline." I've mostly flown with them...been a few times to Italy for less than £40 return. I dont see an issue with budget flights but all of mine are booked with free cancellation | |||
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"No I just think it's irresponsible and selfish to travel, spreading the virus and infecting others " We cant travel currently so how will it be irresponsible | |||
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"Why would Ryanair going bust and putting all there employees out of work be best outcome ? Because they are an awful company to deal with. They have raced to the bottom in terms of price and service. Unfortunately they are now the only option on some routes because people have been sucked in to the low price hype even though by the time you get through the website and the compulsory "options" the Ryanair price isn't actually much cheaper than a proper airline. I've mostly flown with them...been a few times to Italy for less than £40 return. I dont see an issue with budget flights but all of mine are booked with free cancellation " The industry would be better without Ryanair I hate them although often have used them | |||
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"Personally we moved last years holiday to this year and will be gutted if are unable to go All we have done for 12 months is go to work we don't class last year as having a life it was just nessasary All this lockdown needs to do one Vaccines are on target so elderly n vulnerable will be done We personally would prefer to take a chance and get on with our lives Could be hit by a bus tomorrow ffs Funny how I can work with 65 people but I can't Invite any of them round for a drink Government is utter shambles from start to finish Other countries vaccinating anyone who can't work from home not us And now we are vaccinating people illegally entering the country regardless of age and footing the bill for a hotel while they quarantine Total joke Completely agree, this is not a life we are currently living, merely existing And it’s not going to end till the majority say enough is enough, hopefully not much longer till it tips that way
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"No I just think it's irresponsible and selfish to travel, spreading the virus and infecting others " Many other countries are ahead of us on vaccinations How's it selfish to want to enjoy the life you have in a way u want I've been going to work since Jan not had a day off working with others travelling up n down the country but I can't have a hol I've saved hard for I could wait another year to be hit by a bus or something else | |||
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"What's selfish is the government giving vaccinations out to people entering the country illegally when they don't even meet the current criteria for us British to get ours " I can't find any source for this, including the right wing press. All I can see is a vaccination related amnesty to make sure everyone gets a jab. Recognising that Covid doesn't stop spreading in and from someone without the relevant paperwork. How monstrous | |||
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"What's selfish is the government giving vaccinations out to people entering the country illegally when they don't even meet the current criteria for us British to get ours I can't find any source for this, including the right wing press. All I can see is a vaccination related amnesty to make sure everyone gets a jab. Recognising that Covid doesn't stop spreading in and from someone without the relevant paperwork. How monstrous "And I suppose it's lies that they are also being quarantined in expesive hotels too Sorry to any flower fairy's if some of us have had enough Vaccinate and protect the elderly and vulnerable then let everyone else decide how to get on with life Same risks getting on with life as travelling to work Working with others or shopping If people wanna stay in doors and work from home if they are lucky enough to do so then that's their choice Don't expect others to be content with merely existing as apposed to living what life they have | |||
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"What's selfish is the government giving vaccinations out to people entering the country illegally when they don't even meet the current criteria for us British to get ours I can't find any source for this, including the right wing press. All I can see is a vaccination related amnesty to make sure everyone gets a jab. Recognising that Covid doesn't stop spreading in and from someone without the relevant paperwork. How monstrous
And I suppose it's lies that they are also being quarantined in expesive hotels too
Sorry to any flower fairy's if some of us have had enough
Vaccinate and protect the elderly and vulnerable then let everyone else decide how to get on with life
Same risks getting on with life as travelling to work
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If people wanna stay in doors and work from home if they are lucky enough to do so then that's their choice
Don't expect others to be content with merely existing as apposed to living what life they have "Hotel quarantine is being introduced for UK residents returning from high risk countries. At the expense of the residents not the country. Plus your feelings on lockdown. Ok sorry that the virus doesn't care about your feelings, I guess? | |||
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"I see not too many on here are concerned about the people in countries like Greece and Spanish Islands whose livelihoods and communities depend on foreign tourism. I'm more worried about the pandemic. There's more to the pandemic than just Covid. What, Covid and knock on effects of Covid? Sure is. I'm keeping my germs to myself until it's sorted out." Don't forget about poverty, mental health, damage to the economy, lack of education etc etc. These problems are exacerbated in less developed or well off nations and in places which have a heavy reliance on foreign tourism/trade. | |||
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"I see not too many on here are concerned about the people in countries like Greece and Spanish Islands whose livelihoods and communities depend on foreign tourism. I'm more worried about the pandemic. There's more to the pandemic than just Covid. What, Covid and knock on effects of Covid? Sure is. I'm keeping my germs to myself until it's sorted out. Don't forget about poverty, mental health, damage to the economy, lack of education etc etc. These problems are exacerbated in less developed or well off nations and in places which have a heavy reliance on foreign tourism/trade." "Knock on effects of Covid". As I say. | |||
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"What's selfish is the government giving vaccinations out to people entering the country illegally when they don't even meet the current criteria for us British to get ours I can't find any source for this, including the right wing press. All I can see is a vaccination related amnesty to make sure everyone gets a jab. Recognising that Covid doesn't stop spreading in and from someone without the relevant paperwork. How monstrous
And I suppose it's lies that they are also being quarantined in expesive hotels too
Sorry to any flower fairy's if some of us have had enough
Vaccinate and protect the elderly and vulnerable then let everyone else decide how to get on with life
Same risks getting on with life as travelling to work
Working with others or shopping
If people wanna stay in doors and work from home if they are lucky enough to do so then that's their choice
Don't expect others to be content with merely existing as apposed to living what life they have
Hotel quarantine is being introduced for UK residents returning from high risk countries. At the expense of the residents not the country.
Plus your feelings on lockdown. Ok sorry that the virus doesn't care about your feelings, I guess?"The virus doesn't care about anyone's feelings And illegal immigrants turned away from France are being put up in hotels in London for 10 days quarantine not just UK residents returning from abroad Refugee residents in a home near us all had vaccination ths week NHS vans there all week a neighbour questioned one of the staff and was told that residents were being vaccinated They are all single mums with an average age of 30 perhaps the 30 residents are all vulnerable | |||
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"What's selfish is the government giving vaccinations out to people entering the country illegally when they don't even meet the current criteria for us British to get ours I can't find any source for this, including the right wing press. All I can see is a vaccination related amnesty to make sure everyone gets a jab. Recognising that Covid doesn't stop spreading in and from someone without the relevant paperwork. How monstrous
And I suppose it's lies that they are also being quarantined in expesive hotels too
Sorry to any flower fairy's if some of us have had enough
Vaccinate and protect the elderly and vulnerable then let everyone else decide how to get on with life
Same risks getting on with life as travelling to work
Working with others or shopping
If people wanna stay in doors and work from home if they are lucky enough to do so then that's their choice
Don't expect others to be content with merely existing as apposed to living what life they have
Hotel quarantine is being introduced for UK residents returning from high risk countries. At the expense of the residents not the country.
Plus your feelings on lockdown. Ok sorry that the virus doesn't care about your feelings, I guess?
The virus doesn't care about anyone's feelings
And illegal immigrants turned away from France are being put up in hotels in London for 10 days quarantine not just UK residents returning from abroad
Refugee residents in a home near us all had vaccination ths week NHS vans there all week a neighbour questioned one of the staff and was told that residents were being vaccinated
They are all single mums with an average age of 30 perhaps the 30 residents are all vulnerable "Agreed. It doesn't care about anyone's feelings. If what you're saying has any resemblance to anything related to reality, then I sure am glad that the UK is giving out humanitarian aid at this difficult time. What a noble thing to do. If only we all thought charitably rather than moaning  | |||
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"We gave up on European holidays quite a few years back and won't return whilst the Euro is still in place. We would rather boost our own economy, especially once things ease and we are allowed to escape once more." I am genuinely curious about the Euro being an issue - what would you prefer in its place? Changing Sterling to another currency should not make any difference, whether it is called Euro, Franke, Dollars or whatever? | |||
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"Can't wait till they allow private clinics to sell vaccines then can get on with things without all the nonsense " They've said they're not doing that in the UK. I suppose they might once the global crisis has abated. Have fun waiting until 2024 | |||
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" Agreed. It doesn't care about anyone's feelings. If what you're saying has any resemblance to anything related to reality, then I sure am glad that the UK is giving out humanitarian aid at this difficult time. What a noble thing to do. If only we all thought charitably rather than moaning
Well said!
Also, in the long run it is important that the whole world gets a degree of immunisation - otherwise we wont be able to travel freely to our respective holiday destinations, so we are quite literally in the same boat."I want this over as much as anyone. Moaning that it isn't fair isn't going to change a damn thing. | |||
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"What's selfish is the government giving vaccinations out to people entering the country illegally when they don't even meet the current criteria for us British to get ours I can't find any source for this, including the right wing press. All I can see is a vaccination related amnesty to make sure everyone gets a jab. Recognising that Covid doesn't stop spreading in and from someone without the relevant paperwork. How monstrous
And I suppose it's lies that they are also being quarantined in expesive hotels too
Sorry to any flower fairy's if some of us have had enough
Vaccinate and protect the elderly and vulnerable then let everyone else decide how to get on with life
Same risks getting on with life as travelling to work
Working with others or shopping
If people wanna stay in doors and work from home if they are lucky enough to do so then that's their choice
Don't expect others to be content with merely existing as apposed to living what life they have
Hotel quarantine is being introduced for UK residents returning from high risk countries. At the expense of the residents not the country.
Plus your feelings on lockdown. Ok sorry that the virus doesn't care about your feelings, I guess?
The virus doesn't care about anyone's feelings
And illegal immigrants turned away from France are being put up in hotels in London for 10 days quarantine not just UK residents returning from abroad
Refugee residents in a home near us all had vaccination ths week NHS vans there all week a neighbour questioned one of the staff and was told that residents were being vaccinated
They are all single mums with an average age of 30 perhaps the 30 residents are all vulnerable "Yes maybe they are x. | |||
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"What's selfish is the government giving vaccinations out to people entering the country illegally when they don't even meet the current criteria for us British to get ours I can't find any source for this, including the right wing press. All I can see is a vaccination related amnesty to make sure everyone gets a jab. Recognising that Covid doesn't stop spreading in and from someone without the relevant paperwork. How monstrous
And I suppose it's lies that they are also being quarantined in expesive hotels too
Sorry to any flower fairy's if some of us have had enough
Vaccinate and protect the elderly and vulnerable then let everyone else decide how to get on with life
Same risks getting on with life as travelling to work
Working with others or shopping
If people wanna stay in doors and work from home if they are lucky enough to do so then that's their choice
Don't expect others to be content with merely existing as apposed to living what life they have
Hotel quarantine is being introduced for UK residents returning from high risk countries. At the expense of the residents not the country.
Plus your feelings on lockdown. Ok sorry that the virus doesn't care about your feelings, I guess?
The virus doesn't care about anyone's feelings
And illegal immigrants turned away from France are being put up in hotels in London for 10 days quarantine not just UK residents returning from abroad
Refugee residents in a home near us all had vaccination ths week NHS vans there all week a neighbour questioned one of the staff and was told that residents were being vaccinated
They are all single mums with an average age of 30 perhaps the 30 residents are all vulnerable
Agreed. It doesn't care about anyone's feelings.
If what you're saying has any resemblance to anything related to reality, then I sure am glad that the UK is giving out humanitarian aid at this difficult time. What a noble thing to do. If only we all thought charitably rather than moaning "Sorry if I'm selfish but why give out vaccines to people who shouldn't be here in the first place and are only here because other countries turned them away when our own tax paying people need the vaccines How many people do u know that are vulnerable and how many people don't know they are vulnerable until they catch covid Younger people with no underlying conditions are suffering now or worse So if your happy to give ur vaccination slot away go ahead but don't expect others to do the same Too many people happy to work from home cause they can others are happy to stay on furlough but don't expect the ones who have worked all through this and being at higher risk to feel the same | |||
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"I see not too many on here are concerned about the people in countries like Greece and Spanish Islands whose livelihoods and communities depend on foreign tourism. I'm more worried about the pandemic. There's more to the pandemic than just Covid. What, Covid and knock on effects of Covid? Sure is. I'm keeping my germs to myself until it's sorted out. Don't forget about poverty, mental health, damage to the economy, lack of education etc etc. These problems are exacerbated in less developed or well off nations and in places which have a heavy reliance on foreign tourism/trade. "Knock on effects of Covid". As I say." And could there come a time when the "knock on effects" overshadow the effects of the virus. Is this point likely to come sooner for those who depend on travel and tourism to make ends meet, particularly those who live in places/countries with no other viable industries. | |||
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" Agreed. It doesn't care about anyone's feelings. If what you're saying has any resemblance to anything related to reality, then I sure am glad that the UK is giving out humanitarian aid at this difficult time. What a noble thing to do. If only we all thought charitably rather than moaning
Well said!
Also, in the long run it is important that the whole world gets a degree of immunisation - otherwise we wont be able to travel freely to our respective holiday destinations, so we are quite literally in the same boat.
I want this over as much as anyone.
Moaning that it isn't fair isn't going to change a damn thing."Moaning ain't gonna change it but neither is pretending its all OK in our bubbles Some of us just want a chance to return to normality before we die of old age | |||
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"What's selfish is the government giving vaccinations out to people entering the country illegally when they don't even meet the current criteria for us British to get ours I can't find any source for this, including the right wing press. All I can see is a vaccination related amnesty to make sure everyone gets a jab. Recognising that Covid doesn't stop spreading in and from someone without the relevant paperwork. How monstrous
And I suppose it's lies that they are also being quarantined in expesive hotels too
Sorry to any flower fairy's if some of us have had enough
Vaccinate and protect the elderly and vulnerable then let everyone else decide how to get on with life
Same risks getting on with life as travelling to work
Working with others or shopping
If people wanna stay in doors and work from home if they are lucky enough to do so then that's their choice
Don't expect others to be content with merely existing as apposed to living what life they have
Hotel quarantine is being introduced for UK residents returning from high risk countries. At the expense of the residents not the country.
Plus your feelings on lockdown. Ok sorry that the virus doesn't care about your feelings, I guess?
The virus doesn't care about anyone's feelings
And illegal immigrants turned away from France are being put up in hotels in London for 10 days quarantine not just UK residents returning from abroad
Refugee residents in a home near us all had vaccination ths week NHS vans there all week a neighbour questioned one of the staff and was told that residents were being vaccinated
They are all single mums with an average age of 30 perhaps the 30 residents are all vulnerable
Agreed. It doesn't care about anyone's feelings.
If what you're saying has any resemblance to anything related to reality, then I sure am glad that the UK is giving out humanitarian aid at this difficult time. What a noble thing to do. If only we all thought charitably rather than moaning
Sorry if I'm selfish but why give out vaccines to people who shouldn't be here in the first place and are only here because other countries turned them away when our own tax paying people need the vaccines
How many people do u know that are vulnerable and how many people don't know they are vulnerable until they catch covid
Younger people with no underlying conditions are suffering now or worse
So if your happy to give ur vaccination slot away go ahead but don't expect others to do the same
Too many people happy to work from home cause they can others are happy to stay on furlough but don't expect the ones who have worked all through this and being at higher risk to feel the same " x | |||
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"What's selfish is the government giving vaccinations out to people entering the country illegally when they don't even meet the current criteria for us British to get ours I can't find any source for this, including the right wing press. All I can see is a vaccination related amnesty to make sure everyone gets a jab. Recognising that Covid doesn't stop spreading in and from someone without the relevant paperwork. How monstrous
And I suppose it's lies that they are also being quarantined in expesive hotels too
Sorry to any flower fairy's if some of us have had enough
Vaccinate and protect the elderly and vulnerable then let everyone else decide how to get on with life
Same risks getting on with life as travelling to work
Working with others or shopping
If people wanna stay in doors and work from home if they are lucky enough to do so then that's their choice
Don't expect others to be content with merely existing as apposed to living what life they have
Hotel quarantine is being introduced for UK residents returning from high risk countries. At the expense of the residents not the country.
Plus your feelings on lockdown. Ok sorry that the virus doesn't care about your feelings, I guess?
The virus doesn't care about anyone's feelings
And illegal immigrants turned away from France are being put up in hotels in London for 10 days quarantine not just UK residents returning from abroad
Refugee residents in a home near us all had vaccination ths week NHS vans there all week a neighbour questioned one of the staff and was told that residents were being vaccinated
They are all single mums with an average age of 30 perhaps the 30 residents are all vulnerable
Agreed. It doesn't care about anyone's feelings.
If what you're saying has any resemblance to anything related to reality, then I sure am glad that the UK is giving out humanitarian aid at this difficult time. What a noble thing to do. If only we all thought charitably rather than moaning
Sorry if I'm selfish but why give out vaccines to people who shouldn't be here in the first place and are only here because other countries turned them away when our own tax paying people need the vaccines
How many people do u know that are vulnerable and how many people don't know they are vulnerable until they catch covid
Younger people with no underlying conditions are suffering now or worse
So if your happy to give ur vaccination slot away go ahead but don't expect others to do the same
Too many people happy to work from home cause they can others are happy to stay on furlough but don't expect the ones who have worked all through this and being at higher risk to feel the same "I don t think I expressed myself very well, so here it goes: Our lives will go back to some degree of normality when the majority (globally) has had some form of immunisation; for example if you want to spend your holidays in Greece but Greece is still rampant with COvid, then you can not travel there even if YOU have been vaccinated. So there is a valid argument that everybody should be offered the vaccine. I agree with you re the elderly and vulnerable being a priority (regardless of which language they speak, if they are in the UK they deserve the vaccine as much as me) I have been working throughout the lockdowns. | |||
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"What's selfish is the government giving vaccinations out to people entering the country illegally when they don't even meet the current criteria for us British to get ours I can't find any source for this, including the right wing press. All I can see is a vaccination related amnesty to make sure everyone gets a jab. Recognising that Covid doesn't stop spreading in and from someone without the relevant paperwork. How monstrous
And I suppose it's lies that they are also being quarantined in expesive hotels too
Sorry to any flower fairy's if some of us have had enough
Vaccinate and protect the elderly and vulnerable then let everyone else decide how to get on with life
Same risks getting on with life as travelling to work
Working with others or shopping
If people wanna stay in doors and work from home if they are lucky enough to do so then that's their choice
Don't expect others to be content with merely existing as apposed to living what life they have
Hotel quarantine is being introduced for UK residents returning from high risk countries. At the expense of the residents not the country.
Plus your feelings on lockdown. Ok sorry that the virus doesn't care about your feelings, I guess?
The virus doesn't care about anyone's feelings
And illegal immigrants turned away from France are being put up in hotels in London for 10 days quarantine not just UK residents returning from abroad
Refugee residents in a home near us all had vaccination ths week NHS vans there all week a neighbour questioned one of the staff and was told that residents were being vaccinated
They are all single mums with an average age of 30 perhaps the 30 residents are all vulnerable
Agreed. It doesn't care about anyone's feelings.
If what you're saying has any resemblance to anything related to reality, then I sure am glad that the UK is giving out humanitarian aid at this difficult time. What a noble thing to do. If only we all thought charitably rather than moaning
Sorry if I'm selfish but why give out vaccines to people who shouldn't be here in the first place and are only here because other countries turned them away when our own tax paying people need the vaccines
How many people do u know that are vulnerable and how many people don't know they are vulnerable until they catch covid
Younger people with no underlying conditions are suffering now or worse
So if your happy to give ur vaccination slot away go ahead but don't expect others to do the same
Too many people happy to work from home cause they can others are happy to stay on furlough but don't expect the ones who have worked all through this and being at higher risk to feel the same
I don t think I expressed myself very well, so here it goes:
Our lives will go back to some degree of normality when the majority (globally) has had some form of immunisation; for example if you want to spend your holidays in Greece but Greece is still rampant with COvid, then you can not travel there even if YOU have been vaccinated. So there is a valid argument that everybody should be offered the vaccine.
I agree with you re the elderly and vulnerable being a priority (regardless of which language they speak, if they are in the UK they deserve the vaccine as much as me)
I have been working throughout the lockdowns."Agree! X | |||
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"What's selfish is the government giving vaccinations out to people entering the country illegally when they don't even meet the current criteria for us British to get ours I can't find any source for this, including the right wing press. All I can see is a vaccination related amnesty to make sure everyone gets a jab. Recognising that Covid doesn't stop spreading in and from someone without the relevant paperwork. How monstrous
And I suppose it's lies that they are also being quarantined in expesive hotels too
Sorry to any flower fairy's if some of us have had enough
Vaccinate and protect the elderly and vulnerable then let everyone else decide how to get on with life
Same risks getting on with life as travelling to work
Working with others or shopping
If people wanna stay in doors and work from home if they are lucky enough to do so then that's their choice
Don't expect others to be content with merely existing as apposed to living what life they have
Hotel quarantine is being introduced for UK residents returning from high risk countries. At the expense of the residents not the country.
Plus your feelings on lockdown. Ok sorry that the virus doesn't care about your feelings, I guess?
The virus doesn't care about anyone's feelings
And illegal immigrants turned away from France are being put up in hotels in London for 10 days quarantine not just UK residents returning from abroad
Refugee residents in a home near us all had vaccination ths week NHS vans there all week a neighbour questioned one of the staff and was told that residents were being vaccinated
They are all single mums with an average age of 30 perhaps the 30 residents are all vulnerable
Agreed. It doesn't care about anyone's feelings.
If what you're saying has any resemblance to anything related to reality, then I sure am glad that the UK is giving out humanitarian aid at this difficult time. What a noble thing to do. If only we all thought charitably rather than moaning
Sorry if I'm selfish but why give out vaccines to people who shouldn't be here in the first place and are only here because other countries turned them away when our own tax paying people need the vaccines
How many people do u know that are vulnerable and how many people don't know they are vulnerable until they catch covid
Younger people with no underlying conditions are suffering now or worse
So if your happy to give ur vaccination slot away go ahead but don't expect others to do the same
Too many people happy to work from home cause they can others are happy to stay on furlough but don't expect the ones who have worked all through this and being at higher risk to feel the same "Umm... Vaccination protects everyone. So if we refuse to jab someone because they have incorrect or no paperwork, they can go out and infect those vulnerable people, including those who can't be vaccinated or don't mount an immune response from vaccination. I want all people capable of spreading the disease vaccinated, so the spread stops and we stop dying or becoming disabled. I want vaccines given out in order of need and risk, to self and others. Yeah I'm happy to wait. Btw, I'm foreign. Hi. I've probably spent about £10k on the Home Office getting the right to live here permanently. Yeah I'm here legally. I also vote! (Legally) I have (non relevant) underlying medical conditions, have vulnerable family (overseas), and volunteer with very many vulnerable people, some of whom served in World War 2 and more of whom remember it. I'm sorry that the needs of the community don't conform to your narrative. | |||
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"I see not too many on here are concerned about the people in countries like Greece and Spanish Islands whose livelihoods and communities depend on foreign tourism. I'm more worried about the pandemic. There's more to the pandemic than just Covid. What, Covid and knock on effects of Covid? Sure is. I'm keeping my germs to myself until it's sorted out. Don't forget about poverty, mental health, damage to the economy, lack of education etc etc. These problems are exacerbated in less developed or well off nations and in places which have a heavy reliance on foreign tourism/trade. "Knock on effects of Covid". As I say. And could there come a time when the "knock on effects" overshadow the effects of the virus. Is this point likely to come sooner for those who depend on travel and tourism to make ends meet, particularly those who live in places/countries with no other viable industries." OK. We'll cross that bridge when we come to it. I give to charity and volunteer at home. It's all I can do without being a disease vector. | |||
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" Umm... Vaccination protects everyone. So if we refuse to jab someone because they have incorrect or no paperwork, they can go out and infect those vulnerable people, including those who can't be vaccinated or don't mount an immune response from vaccination. I want all people capable of spreading the disease vaccinated, so the spread stops and we stop dying or becoming disabled. I want vaccines given out in order of need and risk, to self and others. Yeah I'm happy to wait. Btw, I'm foreign. Hi. I've probably spent about £10k on the Home Office getting the right to live here permanently. Yeah I'm here legally. I also vote! (Legally) I have (non relevant) underlying medical conditions, have vulnerable family (overseas), and volunteer with very many vulnerable people, some of whom served in World War 2 and more of whom remember it. I'm sorry that the needs of the community don't conform to your narrative." Again, very well said. It is partly about being a humanist and equally about being practical. | |||
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" Agreed. It doesn't care about anyone's feelings. If what you're saying has any resemblance to anything related to reality, then I sure am glad that the UK is giving out humanitarian aid at this difficult time. What a noble thing to do. If only we all thought charitably rather than moaning
Well said!
Also, in the long run it is important that the whole world gets a degree of immunisation - otherwise we wont be able to travel freely to our respective holiday destinations, so we are quite literally in the same boat.
I want this over as much as anyone.
Moaning that it isn't fair isn't going to change a damn thing.
Moaning ain't gonna change it but neither is pretending its all OK in our bubbles
Some of us just want a chance to return to normality before we die of old age"Things are not ok. There's a raging pandemic, there's a mountain of bodies, there's more with unknown long term health complications, huge mental health costs, economic catastrophe, etc. I'm glad we agree that we shouldn't put our heads in the sand and prioritise such trivialities as travel for leisure during a worldwide health crisis. My goodness, what a thing to do. | |||
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"[Removed by poster at 11/02/21 18:00:44] Your so correct everything is covid this covid that I've lost 4 good mates through suicide during this for various reasons And lost relatives through lack of medical attention they needed to survive other illnesses Not to mention how many people I know have lost their jobs and are struggling at the moment " I feel for you, really I do. Covid sucks, it really really does and it does affect everybody, including those who have not (yet) lost anybody - everybody is affected by restrictions and also the generally felt "low mood". We have to find a way of managing this devastating disease together. | |||
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"What's selfish is the government giving vaccinations out to people entering the country illegally when they don't even meet the current criteria for us British to get ours I can't find any source for this, including the right wing press. All I can see is a vaccination related amnesty to make sure everyone gets a jab. Recognising that Covid doesn't stop spreading in and from someone without the relevant paperwork. How monstrous
And I suppose it's lies that they are also being quarantined in expesive hotels too
Sorry to any flower fairy's if some of us have had enough
Vaccinate and protect the elderly and vulnerable then let everyone else decide how to get on with life
Same risks getting on with life as travelling to work
Working with others or shopping
If people wanna stay in doors and work from home if they are lucky enough to do so then that's their choice
Don't expect others to be content with merely existing as apposed to living what life they have
Hotel quarantine is being introduced for UK residents returning from high risk countries. At the expense of the residents not the country.
Plus your feelings on lockdown. Ok sorry that the virus doesn't care about your feelings, I guess?
The virus doesn't care about anyone's feelings
And illegal immigrants turned away from France are being put up in hotels in London for 10 days quarantine not just UK residents returning from abroad
Refugee residents in a home near us all had vaccination ths week NHS vans there all week a neighbour questioned one of the staff and was told that residents were being vaccinated
They are all single mums with an average age of 30 perhaps the 30 residents are all vulnerable
Agreed. It doesn't care about anyone's feelings.
If what you're saying has any resemblance to anything related to reality, then I sure am glad that the UK is giving out humanitarian aid at this difficult time. What a noble thing to do. If only we all thought charitably rather than moaning
Sorry if I'm selfish but why give out vaccines to people who shouldn't be here in the first place and are only here because other countries turned them away when our own tax paying people need the vaccines
How many people do u know that are vulnerable and how many people don't know they are vulnerable until they catch covid
Younger people with no underlying conditions are suffering now or worse
So if your happy to give ur vaccination slot away go ahead but don't expect others to do the same
Too many people happy to work from home cause they can others are happy to stay on furlough but don't expect the ones who have worked all through this and being at higher risk to feel the same
Umm... Vaccination protects everyone.
So if we refuse to jab someone because they have incorrect or no paperwork, they can go out and infect those vulnerable people, including those who can't be vaccinated or don't mount an immune response from vaccination.
I want all people capable of spreading the disease vaccinated, so the spread stops and we stop dying or becoming disabled.
I want vaccines given out in order of need and risk, to self and others. Yeah I'm happy to wait.
Btw, I'm foreign. Hi. I've probably spent about £10k on the Home Office getting the right to live here permanently. Yeah I'm here legally. I also vote! (Legally)
I have (non relevant) underlying medical conditions, have vulnerable family (overseas), and volunteer with very many vulnerable people, some of whom served in World War 2 and more of whom remember it.
I'm sorry that the needs of the community don't conform to your narrative."So why let them enter such a high risk area only to end up providing for them do what other countries did turn them away unti its safe for them to enter We have the highest death record in nearly the whole world so why take on more people that may increase figures until our own citizens are safe Basic risk assessment really Neutralise the risk simple turn them away till safe for them to enter | |||
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"[Removed by poster at 11/02/21 18:00:44] Your so correct everything is covid this covid that I've lost 4 good mates through suicide during this for various reasons And lost relatives through lack of medical attention they needed to survive other illnesses Not to mention how many people I know have lost their jobs and are struggling at the moment I feel for you, really I do. Covid sucks, it really really does and it does affect everybody, including those who have not (yet) lost anybody - everybody is affected by restrictions and also the generally felt "low mood". We have to find a way of managing this devastating disease together. "Stop the mass testing and use those resources to vaccinate things would get back to normal a lot quicker And sorry if my having to go into work cause my job can't be done from home makes me and others like me a disease spreader or what ever was said | |||
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" So why let them enter such a high risk area only to end up providing for them do what other countries did turn them away unti its safe for them to enter We have the highest death record in nearly the whole world so why take on more people that may increase figures until our own citizens are safe Basic risk assessment really Neutralise the risk simple turn them away till safe for them to enter" I kind of get where you are coming from. And I am asking myself also why the UK with a slightly smaller population than Germany for example has more than double the amount of deaths? I believe that nobody really has the answers to this crisis, or at least not all the answers and much of what we have seen (in the UK and in Europe) has been a case of politicians and scientists continuously adapting new ways, trying their best to get control but failing. | |||
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" So why let them enter such a high risk area only to end up providing for them do what other countries did turn them away unti its safe for them to enter We have the highest death record in nearly the whole world so why take on more people that may increase figures until our own citizens are safe Basic risk assessment really Neutralise the risk simple turn them away till safe for them to enter" They're here. Maybe the government shouldn't have let them in. But they're here. Basic risk assessment. Travel during a pandemic is risky. It's wonderful that our government is putting away its small-mindedness to overcome this international crisis, isn't it? | |||
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"[Removed by poster at 11/02/21 18:00:44] Your so correct everything is covid this covid that I've lost 4 good mates through suicide during this for various reasons And lost relatives through lack of medical attention they needed to survive other illnesses Not to mention how many people I know have lost their jobs and are struggling at the moment I feel for you, really I do. Covid sucks, it really really does and it does affect everybody, including those who have not (yet) lost anybody - everybody is affected by restrictions and also the generally felt "low mood". We have to find a way of managing this devastating disease together.
Stop the mass testing and use those resources to vaccinate things would get back to normal a lot quicker
And sorry if my having to go into work cause my job can't be done from home makes me and others like me a disease spreader or what ever was said"If you have to go to work and cannot wfh, I do not think anybody has the right to criticise you for that - that would be unfair and unhelpful at best. | |||
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"[Removed by poster at 11/02/21 18:00:44] Your so correct everything is covid this covid that I've lost 4 good mates through suicide during this for various reasons And lost relatives through lack of medical attention they needed to survive other illnesses Not to mention how many people I know have lost their jobs and are struggling at the moment I feel for you, really I do. Covid sucks, it really really does and it does affect everybody, including those who have not (yet) lost anybody - everybody is affected by restrictions and also the generally felt "low mood". We have to find a way of managing this devastating disease together.
Stop the mass testing and use those resources to vaccinate things would get back to normal a lot quicker
And sorry if my having to go into work cause my job can't be done from home makes me and others like me a disease spreader or what ever was said"You do know that tests aren't vaccines, right? We can't just turn a test into a jab by magic because people wish it so? And apologies if you mistook me. I'm against *optional* travel during a pandemic. I didn't mean work. | |||
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"We gave up on European holidays quite a few years back and won't return whilst the Euro is still in place. We would rather boost our own economy, especially once things ease and we are allowed to escape once more. I am genuinely curious about the Euro being an issue - what would you prefer in its place? Changing Sterling to another currency should not make any difference, whether it is called Euro, Franke, Dollars or whatever? " Well since the Euro, why do you see locals showing an ID card and getting a lower price at their check outs? Strangely, doesn't happen here. | |||
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"[Removed by poster at 11/02/21 18:00:44] Your so correct everything is covid this covid that I've lost 4 good mates through suicide during this for various reasons And lost relatives through lack of medical attention they needed to survive other illnesses Not to mention how many people I know have lost their jobs and are struggling at the moment " Scott Jenson who's an American physician and former member of the Minnesota Senate, he said this 9 11 brought America people together and Covid tore it apart. I'm sorry for your loss, I know of someone who works for the life boat service and there's definitely more suicides post covid. Only kindness, understanding and little humility will get us through these times. | |||
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"[Removed by poster at 11/02/21 18:00:44] Your so correct everything is covid this covid that I've lost 4 good mates through suicide during this for various reasons And lost relatives through lack of medical attention they needed to survive other illnesses Not to mention how many people I know have lost their jobs and are struggling at the moment I feel for you, really I do. Covid sucks, it really really does and it does affect everybody, including those who have not (yet) lost anybody - everybody is affected by restrictions and also the generally felt "low mood". We have to find a way of managing this devastating disease together.
Stop the mass testing and use those resources to vaccinate things would get back to normal a lot quicker
And sorry if my having to go into work cause my job can't be done from home makes me and others like me a disease spreader or what ever was said
You do know that tests aren't vaccines, right? We can't just turn a test into a jab by magic because people wish it so?
And apologies if you mistook me. I'm against *optional* travel during a pandemic. I didn't mean work."I realise tests aren't vaccines but according to the government we have purchased more than enough to vaccinate the whole of the uk so instead of using trained staff to do tests make use of them administering the vaccine takes same ammount of time Even trained first aiders can administer vaccination after a training course so start utilising our resources better | |||
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" So why let them enter such a high risk area only to end up providing for them do what other countries did turn them away unti its safe for them to enter We have the highest death record in nearly the whole world so why take on more people that may increase figures until our own citizens are safe Basic risk assessment really Neutralise the risk simple turn them away till safe for them to enter They're here. Maybe the government shouldn't have let them in. But they're here. Basic risk assessment. Travel during a pandemic is risky. It's wonderful that our government is putting away its small-mindedness to overcome this international crisis, isn't it? "Not really as they are endangering more lives by allowing them in Our lives and theirs U wouldn't try to put a fire out with petrol would you That's exactly what's happening letting them in to an already blazing fire | |||
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"[Removed by poster at 11/02/21 18:00:44] Your so correct everything is covid this covid that I've lost 4 good mates through suicide during this for various reasons And lost relatives through lack of medical attention they needed to survive other illnesses Not to mention how many people I know have lost their jobs and are struggling at the moment I feel for you, really I do. Covid sucks, it really really does and it does affect everybody, including those who have not (yet) lost anybody - everybody is affected by restrictions and also the generally felt "low mood". We have to find a way of managing this devastating disease together.
Stop the mass testing and use those resources to vaccinate things would get back to normal a lot quicker
And sorry if my having to go into work cause my job can't be done from home makes me and others like me a disease spreader or what ever was said
You do know that tests aren't vaccines, right? We can't just turn a test into a jab by magic because people wish it so?
And apologies if you mistook me. I'm against *optional* travel during a pandemic. I didn't mean work.
I realise tests aren't vaccines but according to the government we have purchased more than enough to vaccinate the whole of the uk so instead of using trained staff to do tests make use of them administering the vaccine takes same ammount of time
Even trained first aiders can administer vaccination after a training course so start utilising our resources better "Have all those doses arrived in the UK or are they on back order? Have there been logistical issues and at least one company (AZ) looking to how they can renegotiate given issues with the EU? (Hint: Google these things) You do know the majority of tests are self swabs, right? And that the rate of first vaccination is going at an almighty pace? | |||
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"[Removed by poster at 11/02/21 18:00:44] Your so correct everything is covid this covid that I've lost 4 good mates through suicide during this for various reasons And lost relatives through lack of medical attention they needed to survive other illnesses Not to mention how many people I know have lost their jobs and are struggling at the moment I feel for you, really I do. Covid sucks, it really really does and it does affect everybody, including those who have not (yet) lost anybody - everybody is affected by restrictions and also the generally felt "low mood". We have to find a way of managing this devastating disease together.
Stop the mass testing and use those resources to vaccinate things would get back to normal a lot quicker
And sorry if my having to go into work cause my job can't be done from home makes me and others like me a disease spreader or what ever was said
If you have to go to work and cannot wfh, I do not think anybody has the right to criticise you for that - that would be unfair and unhelpful at best. "I understand where your coming from regarding humanity towards others but we are at breaking point in hospitals and morgue allowing extra people into a country that's on its knees only poses higher risk to everyone PS if your an NHS worker I take my hat off to you your risk has been greater than any and you deserve recognition All I'm saying is we can't eliminate the risk of catching it but we can reduce it by sticking to the rules and not add extra persons into an already terrible situation Yes the government is useless Boris can't even run a comb through his hair let alone run a country Missed meetings at the start delays in actions taken too late opening up schools | |||
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"[Removed by poster at 11/02/21 18:00:44] Your so correct everything is covid this covid that I've lost 4 good mates through suicide during this for various reasons And lost relatives through lack of medical attention they needed to survive other illnesses Not to mention how many people I know have lost their jobs and are struggling at the moment I feel for you, really I do. Covid sucks, it really really does and it does affect everybody, including those who have not (yet) lost anybody - everybody is affected by restrictions and also the generally felt "low mood". We have to find a way of managing this devastating disease together.
Stop the mass testing and use those resources to vaccinate things would get back to normal a lot quicker
And sorry if my having to go into work cause my job can't be done from home makes me and others like me a disease spreader or what ever was said
You do know that tests aren't vaccines, right? We can't just turn a test into a jab by magic because people wish it so?
And apologies if you mistook me. I'm against *optional* travel during a pandemic. I didn't mean work.
I realise tests aren't vaccines but according to the government we have purchased more than enough to vaccinate the whole of the uk so instead of using trained staff to do tests make use of them administering the vaccine takes same ammount of time
Even trained first aiders can administer vaccination after a training course so start utilising our resources better "I agree with you guys why do the goal posts keep changing? By the end of this month we will have 20m people vaccinated nearly half of the adult population. That will include all the vulnerable and elderly. The narrative by the government through this was protect the NHS if 20m people are vaccinated then the NHS is protected. Why are we then still looking to shut down the economy for something that won’t effect the vast majority of people who haven’t already been vaccinated? Believe me the effects of these lockdowns and shutting the economy will have far reaching consequences than this virus. | |||
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"[Removed by poster at 11/02/21 18:00:44] Your so correct everything is covid this covid that I've lost 4 good mates through suicide during this for various reasons And lost relatives through lack of medical attention they needed to survive other illnesses Not to mention how many people I know have lost their jobs and are struggling at the moment I feel for you, really I do. Covid sucks, it really really does and it does affect everybody, including those who have not (yet) lost anybody - everybody is affected by restrictions and also the generally felt "low mood". We have to find a way of managing this devastating disease together.
Stop the mass testing and use those resources to vaccinate things would get back to normal a lot quicker
And sorry if my having to go into work cause my job can't be done from home makes me and others like me a disease spreader or what ever was said
You do know that tests aren't vaccines, right? We can't just turn a test into a jab by magic because people wish it so?
And apologies if you mistook me. I'm against *optional* travel during a pandemic. I didn't mean work.
I realise tests aren't vaccines but according to the government we have purchased more than enough to vaccinate the whole of the uk so instead of using trained staff to do tests make use of them administering the vaccine takes same ammount of time
Even trained first aiders can administer vaccination after a training course so start utilising our resources better
Have all those doses arrived in the UK or are they on back order? Have there been logistical issues and at least one company (AZ) looking to how they can renegotiate given issues with the EU? (Hint: Google these things)
You do know the majority of tests are self swabs, right? And that the rate of first vaccination is going at an almighty pace?"A ready been told as a company that employs more than 50 workers a qualified person will come and administer testing to use and results will be had in 30 mins so not a home test | |||
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" So why let them enter such a high risk area only to end up providing for them do what other countries did turn them away unti its safe for them to enter We have the highest death record in nearly the whole world so why take on more people that may increase figures until our own citizens are safe Basic risk assessment really Neutralise the risk simple turn them away till safe for them to enter They're here. Maybe the government shouldn't have let them in. But they're here. Basic risk assessment. Travel during a pandemic is risky. It's wonderful that our government is putting away its small-mindedness to overcome this international crisis, isn't it?
Not really as they are endangering more lives by allowing them in
Our lives and theirs
U wouldn't try to put a fire out with petrol would you
That's exactly what's happening letting them in to an already blazing fire"Saddest part of this is “our lives and theirs” That divide 
No one should be higher priority purely because of the luck of where they were born.
Vaccinate as many as possible and then everyone can get back to normal as quick as possible
We all want normality! xx | |||
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"[Removed by poster at 11/02/21 18:00:44] Your so correct everything is covid this covid that I've lost 4 good mates through suicide during this for various reasons And lost relatives through lack of medical attention they needed to survive other illnesses Not to mention how many people I know have lost their jobs and are struggling at the moment I feel for you, really I do. Covid sucks, it really really does and it does affect everybody, including those who have not (yet) lost anybody - everybody is affected by restrictions and also the generally felt "low mood". We have to find a way of managing this devastating disease together.
Stop the mass testing and use those resources to vaccinate things would get back to normal a lot quicker
And sorry if my having to go into work cause my job can't be done from home makes me and others like me a disease spreader or what ever was said
You do know that tests aren't vaccines, right? We can't just turn a test into a jab by magic because people wish it so?
And apologies if you mistook me. I'm against *optional* travel during a pandemic. I didn't mean work.
I realise tests aren't vaccines but according to the government we have purchased more than enough to vaccinate the whole of the uk so instead of using trained staff to do tests make use of them administering the vaccine takes same ammount of time
Even trained first aiders can administer vaccination after a training course so start utilising our resources better
Have all those doses arrived in the UK or are they on back order? Have there been logistical issues and at least one company (AZ) looking to how they can renegotiate given issues with the EU? (Hint: Google these things)
You do know the majority of tests are self swabs, right? And that the rate of first vaccination is going at an almighty pace?
A ready been told as a company that employs more than 50 workers a qualified person will come and administer testing to use and results will be had in 30 mins so not a home test"Ok. So you don't agree with stopping the spread and keeping workplaces safe? Or do I misunderstand? Do we have the vaccines? If we don't have the vaccines we can't vaccinate, can we? | |||
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" Saddest part of this is “our lives and theirs” That divide
No one should be higher priority purely because of the luck of where they were born.
Vaccinate as many as possible and then everyone can get back to normal as quick as possible
We all want normality! xx"Absolutely! Every one of us is as worthwhile and deserving as every other one of us. Apart from medical need. We are all human. Equal. | |||
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" Not really as they are endangering more lives by allowing them in Our lives and theirs U wouldn't try to put a fire out with petrol would you That's exactly what's happening letting them in to an already blazing fire Then look at how to stop more people getting here. They're here. I'm glad that the government sees that they are human, just as worthwhile as deserving as you, and that they are helping all of us as equal members of humanity." Do as other countries do turn them away That's the safest thing for them in this current situation we can't cope with treating our own citizens without adding more to fuel the fire I have no issues with them entering when we have the country and lives risk free but we let them in they catch it spread it and the country crumbles as NHS can't cope with more people | |||
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"[Removed by poster at 11/02/21 18:00:44] Your so correct everything is covid this covid that I've lost 4 good mates through suicide during this for various reasons And lost relatives through lack of medical attention they needed to survive other illnesses Not to mention how many people I know have lost their jobs and are struggling at the moment I feel for you, really I do. Covid sucks, it really really does and it does affect everybody, including those who have not (yet) lost anybody - everybody is affected by restrictions and also the generally felt "low mood". We have to find a way of managing this devastating disease together.
Stop the mass testing and use those resources to vaccinate things would get back to normal a lot quicker
And sorry if my having to go into work cause my job can't be done from home makes me and others like me a disease spreader or what ever was said
You do know that tests aren't vaccines, right? We can't just turn a test into a jab by magic because people wish it so?
And apologies if you mistook me. I'm against *optional* travel during a pandemic. I didn't mean work.
I realise tests aren't vaccines but according to the government we have purchased more than enough to vaccinate the whole of the uk so instead of using trained staff to do tests make use of them administering the vaccine takes same ammount of time
Even trained first aiders can administer vaccination after a training course so start utilising our resources better
Have all those doses arrived in the UK or are they on back order? Have there been logistical issues and at least one company (AZ) looking to how they can renegotiate given issues with the EU? (Hint: Google these things)
You do know the majority of tests are self swabs, right? And that the rate of first vaccination is going at an almighty pace?
A ready been told as a company that employs more than 50 workers a qualified person will come and administer testing to use and results will be had in 30 mins so not a home test
Ok.
So you don't agree with stopping the spread and keeping workplaces safe? Or do I misunderstand?
Do we have the vaccines?
If we don't have the vaccines we can't vaccinate, can we?"I agree with stopping the spread that's why testing weekly is useless as it only say whether ror not ur covid free that day what happens in 2 days time Testing isn't 100% accurate either Only sure way is vaccinate And according to government we have the vaccines that's why Brussels wanted us to donate some of ours Glad u think it's humane to allow people into a country where people are dying Here you go welcome to the land of 50/50 whether u live ur die very humane welcome to the world's hit spot in deaths | |||
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"[Removed by poster at 11/02/21 18:00:44] Your so correct everything is covid this covid that I've lost 4 good mates through suicide during this for various reasons And lost relatives through lack of medical attention they needed to survive other illnesses Not to mention how many people I know have lost their jobs and are struggling at the moment I feel for you, really I do. Covid sucks, it really really does and it does affect everybody, including those who have not (yet) lost anybody - everybody is affected by restrictions and also the generally felt "low mood". We have to find a way of managing this devastating disease together.
Stop the mass testing and use those resources to vaccinate things would get back to normal a lot quicker
And sorry if my having to go into work cause my job can't be done from home makes me and others like me a disease spreader or what ever was said
You do know that tests aren't vaccines, right? We can't just turn a test into a jab by magic because people wish it so?
And apologies if you mistook me. I'm against *optional* travel during a pandemic. I didn't mean work.
I realise tests aren't vaccines but according to the government we have purchased more than enough to vaccinate the whole of the uk so instead of using trained staff to do tests make use of them administering the vaccine takes same ammount of time
Even trained first aiders can administer vaccination after a training course so start utilising our resources better
Have all those doses arrived in the UK or are they on back order? Have there been logistical issues and at least one company (AZ) looking to how they can renegotiate given issues with the EU? (Hint: Google these things)
You do know the majority of tests are self swabs, right? And that the rate of first vaccination is going at an almighty pace?
A ready been told as a company that employs more than 50 workers a qualified person will come and administer testing to use and results will be had in 30 mins so not a home test
Ok.
So you don't agree with stopping the spread and keeping workplaces safe? Or do I misunderstand?
Do we have the vaccines?
If we don't have the vaccines we can't vaccinate, can we?
I agree with stopping the spread that's why testing weekly is useless as it only say whether ror not ur covid free that day what happens in 2 days time
Testing isn't 100% accurate either
Only sure way is vaccinate
And according to government we have the vaccines that's why Brussels wanted us to donate some of ours
Glad u think it's humane to allow people into a country where people are dying
Here you go welcome to the land of 50/50 whether u live ur die very humane welcome to the world's hit spot in deaths "People are dying everywhere!! You genuinely have no idea why most of those genuine people are here do you, not letting them seek refuge is the most inhumane thing anyone could ever suggest. And vaccines aren’t all here already, they need to be made we’ve just ordered. (Which I definitely think should be split fairly- shouldn’t ever been about one country prioritising them self) | |||
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" Not really as they are endangering more lives by allowing them in Our lives and theirs U wouldn't try to put a fire out with petrol would you That's exactly what's happening letting them in to an already blazing fire Then look at how to stop more people getting here. They're here. I'm glad that the government sees that they are human, just as worthwhile as deserving as you, and that they are helping all of us as equal members of humanity. Do as other countries do turn them away That's the safest thing for them in this current situation we can't cope with treating our own citizens without adding more to fuel the fire I have no issues with them entering when we have the country and lives risk free but we let them in they catch it spread it and the country crumbles as NHS can't cope with more people " Fortunately I believe in a Britain that leads on the world stage, one known for innovation and philanthropy, global in influence. Loving thy neighbour as thyself. Not small minded and mean. And I'm sorry you think humans should be turned away. Humans who are equal to you in every way. Don't worry, it's a free country, if you think you should be turned away you can refuse. We'll let you back in the queue after all the illegals, if you like. I hope you feel better about yourself soon. | |||
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"[Removed by poster at 11/02/21 18:00:44] Your so correct everything is covid this covid that I've lost 4 good mates through suicide during this for various reasons And lost relatives through lack of medical attention they needed to survive other illnesses Not to mention how many people I know have lost their jobs and are struggling at the moment I feel for you, really I do. Covid sucks, it really really does and it does affect everybody, including those who have not (yet) lost anybody - everybody is affected by restrictions and also the generally felt "low mood". We have to find a way of managing this devastating disease together.
Stop the mass testing and use those resources to vaccinate things would get back to normal a lot quicker
And sorry if my having to go into work cause my job can't be done from home makes me and others like me a disease spreader or what ever was said
You do know that tests aren't vaccines, right? We can't just turn a test into a jab by magic because people wish it so?
And apologies if you mistook me. I'm against *optional* travel during a pandemic. I didn't mean work.
I realise tests aren't vaccines but according to the government we have purchased more than enough to vaccinate the whole of the uk so instead of using trained staff to do tests make use of them administering the vaccine takes same ammount of time
Even trained first aiders can administer vaccination after a training course so start utilising our resources better
Have all those doses arrived in the UK or are they on back order? Have there been logistical issues and at least one company (AZ) looking to how they can renegotiate given issues with the EU? (Hint: Google these things)
You do know the majority of tests are self swabs, right? And that the rate of first vaccination is going at an almighty pace?
A ready been told as a company that employs more than 50 workers a qualified person will come and administer testing to use and results will be had in 30 mins so not a home test
Ok.
So you don't agree with stopping the spread and keeping workplaces safe? Or do I misunderstand?
Do we have the vaccines?
If we don't have the vaccines we can't vaccinate, can we?
I agree with stopping the spread that's why testing weekly is useless as it only say whether ror not ur covid free that day what happens in 2 days time
Testing isn't 100% accurate either
Only sure way is vaccinate
And according to government we have the vaccines that's why Brussels wanted us to donate some of ours
Glad u think it's humane to allow people into a country where people are dying
Here you go welcome to the land of 50/50 whether u live ur die very humane welcome to the world's hit spot in deaths "We've pre-ordered the vaccines. We don't have them. | |||
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" Do as other countries do turn them away That's the safest thing for them in this current situation we can't cope with treating our own citizens without adding more to fuel the fire I have no issues with them entering when we have the country and lives risk free but we let them in they catch it spread it and the country crumbles as NHS can't cope with more people " Safest for who? Are you aadvocating we should let them dingy's get to our shores crammed full and we turn them back? | |||
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" So why let them enter such a high risk area only to end up providing for them do what other countries did turn them away unti its safe for them to enter We have the highest death record in nearly the whole world so why take on more people that may increase figures until our own citizens are safe Basic risk assessment really Neutralise the risk simple turn them away till safe for them to enter They're here. Maybe the government shouldn't have let them in. But they're here. Basic risk assessment. Travel during a pandemic is risky. It's wonderful that our government is putting away its small-mindedness to overcome this international crisis, isn't it?
Not really as they are endangering more lives by allowing them in
Our lives and theirs
U wouldn't try to put a fire out with petrol would you
That's exactly what's happening letting them in to an already blazing fire
Saddest part of this is “our lives and theirs”
That divide
No one should be higher priority purely because of the luck of where they were born.
Vaccinate as many as possible and then everyone can get back to normal as quick as possible
We all want normality! xx"It's not a case of our lives and there's all life is valuable but it's about reducing the risk to everyone They could potentially bring new strains in with them putting others at higher risk of death or they could die from catching it from someone already here NHS is already strained allowing more people in only raises everyone's risk The UK has the highest population in such a small area this is why we have a higher mortality rate than other countries so why increase the risk of lost lives to everyone residents and visitors | |||
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" So why let them enter such a high risk area only to end up providing for them do what other countries did turn them away unti its safe for them to enter We have the highest death record in nearly the whole world so why take on more people that may increase figures until our own citizens are safe Basic risk assessment really Neutralise the risk simple turn them away till safe for them to enter They're here. Maybe the government shouldn't have let them in. But they're here. Basic risk assessment. Travel during a pandemic is risky. It's wonderful that our government is putting away its small-mindedness to overcome this international crisis, isn't it?
Not really as they are endangering more lives by allowing them in
Our lives and theirs
U wouldn't try to put a fire out with petrol would you
That's exactly what's happening letting them in to an already blazing fire
Saddest part of this is “our lives and theirs”
That divide
No one should be higher priority purely because of the luck of where they were born.
Vaccinate as many as possible and then everyone can get back to normal as quick as possible
We all want normality! xx
It's not a case of our lives and there's all life is valuable but it's about reducing the risk to everyone
They could potentially bring new strains in with them putting others at higher risk of death or they could die from catching it from someone already here
NHS is already strained allowing more people in only raises everyone's risk
The UK has the highest population in such a small area this is why we have a higher mortality rate than other countries so why increase the risk of lost lives to everyone residents and visitors "They come from countries to escape death not to be handed a alternative way of dying which is highly likely at this current time At a safer time then allow them in but we are only offering them another possible way of dying And your sure government don't have vaccinations they ordered 325000000 doses now my maths might be bad but 65000000 in UK times 2 doses equals 130000000 so I think we have enough to vaccinate instead of testing | |||
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" So why let them enter such a high risk area only to end up providing for them do what other countries did turn them away unti its safe for them to enter We have the highest death record in nearly the whole world so why take on more people that may increase figures until our own citizens are safe Basic risk assessment really Neutralise the risk simple turn them away till safe for them to enter They're here. Maybe the government shouldn't have let them in. But they're here. Basic risk assessment. Travel during a pandemic is risky. It's wonderful that our government is putting away its small-mindedness to overcome this international crisis, isn't it?
Not really as they are endangering more lives by allowing them in
Our lives and theirs
U wouldn't try to put a fire out with petrol would you
That's exactly what's happening letting them in to an already blazing fire
Saddest part of this is “our lives and theirs”
That divide
No one should be higher priority purely because of the luck of where they were born.
Vaccinate as many as possible and then everyone can get back to normal as quick as possible
We all want normality! xx
It's not a case of our lives and there's all life is valuable but it's about reducing the risk to everyone
They could potentially bring new strains in with them putting others at higher risk of death or they could die from catching it from someone already here
NHS is already strained allowing more people in only raises everyone's risk
The UK has the highest population in such a small area this is why we have a higher mortality rate than other countries so why increase the risk of lost lives to everyone residents and visitors
They come from countries to escape death not to be handed a alternative way of dying which is highly likely at this current time
At a safer time then allow them in but we are only offering them another possible way of dying
And your sure government don't have vaccinations they ordered 325000000 doses now my maths might be bad but 65000000 in UK times 2 doses equals 130000000 so I think we have enough to vaccinate instead of testing
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" Do as other countries do turn them away That's the safest thing for them in this current situation we can't cope with treating our own citizens without adding more to fuel the fire I have no issues with them entering when we have the country and lives risk free but we let them in they catch it spread it and the country crumbles as NHS can't cope with more people Safest for who? Are you aadvocating we should let them dingy's get to our shores crammed full and we turn them back? " Right so we should allow them in that's fine I'm glad it's simple They won't catch it they won't spread it They are at no risk what so ever Then brilliant let's open the airports let's all jet off abroad as risks to anyone don't matter Let's do the humane thing and the whole world opens its boarders to anyone wanting a visit Let's all take a chance on not catching it not spreading it and not putting a strain on other countries resources and hospitals That way same risks are for everyone no matter who | |||
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" Do as other countries do turn them away That's the safest thing for them in this current situation we can't cope with treating our own citizens without adding more to fuel the fire I have no issues with them entering when we have the country and lives risk free but we let them in they catch it spread it and the country crumbles as NHS can't cope with more people Safest for who? Are you aadvocating we should let them dingy's get to our shores crammed full and we turn them back? Right so we should allow them in that's fine I'm glad it's simple They won't catch it they won't spread it They are at no risk what so ever Then brilliant let's open the airports let's all jet off abroad as risks to anyone don't matter Let's do the humane thing and the whole world opens its boarders to anyone wanting a visit Let's all take a chance on not catching it not spreading it and not putting a strain on other countries resources and hospitals That way same risks are for everyone no matter who " If anyone has said that then please point it out. | |||
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" So why let them enter such a high risk area only to end up providing for them do what other countries did turn them away unti its safe for them to enter We have the highest death record in nearly the whole world so why take on more people that may increase figures until our own citizens are safe Basic risk assessment really Neutralise the risk simple turn them away till safe for them to enter They're here. Maybe the government shouldn't have let them in. But they're here. Basic risk assessment. Travel during a pandemic is risky. It's wonderful that our government is putting away its small-mindedness to overcome this international crisis, isn't it?
Not really as they are endangering more lives by allowing them in
Our lives and theirs
U wouldn't try to put a fire out with petrol would you
That's exactly what's happening letting them in to an already blazing fire
Saddest part of this is “our lives and theirs”
That divide
No one should be higher priority purely because of the luck of where they were born.
Vaccinate as many as possible and then everyone can get back to normal as quick as possible
We all want normality! xx
It's not a case of our lives and there's all life is valuable but it's about reducing the risk to everyone
They could potentially bring new strains in with them putting others at higher risk of death or they could die from catching it from someone already here
NHS is already strained allowing more people in only raises everyone's risk
The UK has the highest population in such a small area this is why we have a higher mortality rate than other countries so why increase the risk of lost lives to everyone residents and visitors
They come from countries to escape death not to be handed a alternative way of dying which is highly likely at this current time
At a safer time then allow them in but we are only offering them another possible way of dying
And your sure government don't have vaccinations they ordered 325000000 doses now my maths might be bad but 65000000 in UK times 2 doses equals 130000000 so I think we have enough to vaccinate instead of testing
I won't link to it because it's paywalled, but the Telegraph has an article titled "Coronavirus latest news: No 10 'confident' in vaccine rollout despite supply concern across UK" from 18 minutes ago.
You ever tried to order something and because of unprecedented demand you have to wait a few weeks or months for the shop to get more?
... It's a bit like that "So Boris lied again last week when he said there wasn't an issue in supply of vaccines the issues were trained staff to administer it How can any one believe in any bull that comes from the government Even NHS staff offered to work 24/7 to get the vaccines out and he refused it The whole situation is bull Carry on believing what you read cause none of its true only that we are failing to control it through government lacks response | |||
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" So why let them enter such a high risk area only to end up providing for them do what other countries did turn them away unti its safe for them to enter We have the highest death record in nearly the whole world so why take on more people that may increase figures until our own citizens are safe Basic risk assessment really Neutralise the risk simple turn them away till safe for them to enter They're here. Maybe the government shouldn't have let them in. But they're here. Basic risk assessment. Travel during a pandemic is risky. It's wonderful that our government is putting away its small-mindedness to overcome this international crisis, isn't it?
Not really as they are endangering more lives by allowing them in
Our lives and theirs
U wouldn't try to put a fire out with petrol would you
That's exactly what's happening letting them in to an already blazing fire
Saddest part of this is “our lives and theirs”
That divide
No one should be higher priority purely because of the luck of where they were born.
Vaccinate as many as possible and then everyone can get back to normal as quick as possible
We all want normality! xx
It's not a case of our lives and there's all life is valuable but it's about reducing the risk to everyone
They could potentially bring new strains in with them putting others at higher risk of death or they could die from catching it from someone already here
NHS is already strained allowing more people in only raises everyone's risk
The UK has the highest population in such a small area this is why we have a higher mortality rate than other countries so why increase the risk of lost lives to everyone residents and visitors
They come from countries to escape death not to be handed a alternative way of dying which is highly likely at this current time
At a safer time then allow them in but we are only offering them another possible way of dying
And your sure government don't have vaccinations they ordered 325000000 doses now my maths might be bad but 65000000 in UK times 2 doses equals 130000000 so I think we have enough to vaccinate instead of testing
I won't link to it because it's paywalled, but the Telegraph has an article titled "Coronavirus latest news: No 10 'confident' in vaccine rollout despite supply concern across UK" from 18 minutes ago.
You ever tried to order something and because of unprecedented demand you have to wait a few weeks or months for the shop to get more?
... It's a bit like that
So Boris lied again last week when he said there wasn't an issue in supply of vaccines the issues were trained staff to administer it
How can any one believe in any bull that comes from the government
Even NHS staff offered to work 24/7 to get the vaccines out and he refused it
The whole situation is bull
Carry on believing what you read cause none of its true only that we are failing to control it through government lacks response"Does anyone here think I'm behind the government? Really? Me? | |||
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" Do as other countries do turn them away That's the safest thing for them in this current situation we can't cope with treating our own citizens without adding more to fuel the fire I have no issues with them entering when we have the country and lives risk free but we let them in they catch it spread it and the country crumbles as NHS can't cope with more people Safest for who? Are you aadvocating we should let them dingy's get to our shores crammed full and we turn them back? Right so we should allow them in that's fine I'm glad it's simple They won't catch it they won't spread it They are at no risk what so ever Then brilliant let's open the airports let's all jet off abroad as risks to anyone don't matter Let's do the humane thing and the whole world opens its boarders to anyone wanting a visit Let's all take a chance on not catching it not spreading it and not putting a strain on other countries resources and hospitals That way same risks are for everyone no matter who If anyone has said that then please point it out." You said do the humane thing allow people in regardless of risks everyone is equal so let them in to a country that can offer a new killer to them We could ask them to bring a coffin too makes things easier Many refuges are coming from small villages fleeing from violence to survive they havent been exposed to covid as it hadn't reached their remote areas only to step ashore and contract a killer virus or watch a relative they have travelled half way round the world seeking safety gasping for breath before dying Really humane Bet you vote for animal testing too | |||
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"What about the retired doctors and dentists who have volunteered to vaccinate but have been turned away as they don't have up to date certificates for radicalisation awareness and child protection ? Full training takes 2.5 hours for people that are qualified to deliver injections, including the governance (I know that factually). It’s definitely about more than that, because if they were bothered about helping they’d do it.
Personally think it’s more about bad organisation than the training. "3.5 hours... typo! | |||
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" Do as other countries do turn them away That's the safest thing for them in this current situation we can't cope with treating our own citizens without adding more to fuel the fire I have no issues with them entering when we have the country and lives risk free but we let them in they catch it spread it and the country crumbles as NHS can't cope with more people Safest for who? Are you aadvocating we should let them dingy's get to our shores crammed full and we turn them back? Right so we should allow them in that's fine I'm glad it's simple They won't catch it they won't spread it They are at no risk what so ever Then brilliant let's open the airports let's all jet off abroad as risks to anyone don't matter Let's do the humane thing and the whole world opens its boarders to anyone wanting a visit Let's all take a chance on not catching it not spreading it and not putting a strain on other countries resources and hospitals That way same risks are for everyone no matter who If anyone has said that then please point it out. You said do the humane thing allow people in regardless of risks everyone is equal so let them in to a country that can offer a new killer to them We could ask them to bring a coffin too makes things easier Many refuges are coming from small villages fleeing from violence to survive they havent been exposed to covid as it hadn't reached their remote areas only to step ashore and contract a killer virus or watch a relative they have travelled half way round the world seeking safety gasping for breath before dying Really humane Bet you vote for animal testing too" Are you saying they should stay in their awful situations rather than taking a chance against a virus you said earlier doesn’t affect most people? | |||
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" You said do the humane thing allow people in regardless of risks everyone is equal so let them in to a country that can offer a new killer to them We could ask them to bring a coffin too makes things easier Many refuges are coming from small villages fleeing from violence to survive they havent been exposed to covid as it hadn't reached their remote areas only to step ashore and contract a killer virus or watch a relative they have travelled half way round the world seeking safety gasping for breath before dying Really humane Bet you vote for animal testing too" I said treat the people who are here. And look into ways to keep them out in future if it concerns you. | |||
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Personally think it’s more about bad organisation than the training. "I agree I know nightingales hospitals had 30000 people apply for jobs only 6000 were taken on but government stated they closed them to lack of staff Plenty of retired nurses ex paramedics Inc milatary personal have all volunteered and have heard nothing First aid refreshers are also asking if they would be repaired to volunteer their skills if trained to administer vaccinations | |||
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" Are you saying they should stay in their awful situations rather than taking a chance against a virus you said earlier doesn’t affect most people? " Lol | |||
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"What about the retired doctors and dentists who have volunteered to vaccinate but have been turned away as they don't have up to date certificates for radicalisation awareness and child protection ? Full training takes 2.5 hours for people that are qualified to deliver injections, including the governance (I know that factually). It’s definitely about more than that, because if they were bothered about helping they’d do it.
Personally think it’s more about bad organisation than the training.
I agree
I know nightingales hospitals had 30000 people apply for jobs only 6000 were taken on but government stated they closed them to lack of staff
Plenty of retired nurses ex paramedics Inc milatary personal have all volunteered and have heard nothing
First aid refreshers are also asking if they would be repaired to volunteer their skills if trained to administer vaccinations "Yup! They were definitely weren’t ever going to happen were there! x | |||
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" Do as other countries do turn them away That's the safest thing for them in this current situation we can't cope with treating our own citizens without adding more to fuel the fire I have no issues with them entering when we have the country and lives risk free but we let them in they catch it spread it and the country crumbles as NHS can't cope with more people Safest for who? Are you aadvocating we should let them dingy's get to our shores crammed full and we turn them back? Right so we should allow them in that's fine I'm glad it's simple They won't catch it they won't spread it They are at no risk what so ever Then brilliant let's open the airports let's all jet off abroad as risks to anyone don't matter Let's do the humane thing and the whole world opens its boarders to anyone wanting a visit Let's all take a chance on not catching it not spreading it and not putting a strain on other countries resources and hospitals That way same risks are for everyone no matter who If anyone has said that then please point it out. You said do the humane thing allow people in regardless of risks everyone is equal so let them in to a country that can offer a new killer to them We could ask them to bring a coffin too makes things easier Many refuges are coming from small villages fleeing from violence to survive they havent been exposed to covid as it hadn't reached their remote areas only to step ashore and contract a killer virus or watch a relative they have travelled half way round the world seeking safety gasping for breath before dying Really humane Bet you vote for animal testing too Are you saying they should stay in their awful situations rather than taking a chance against a virus you said earlier doesn’t affect most people? " I never said it didn't effect most people I asked who should be allowed to say who is vulnerable as many of us won't know until we contract it I really don't know what the answer is regarding allowing them in but either way won't be good for them or others As someone who writes risk assessments daily I see a bigger risk to everyone by allowing our boarders to be open during this time It's not a good time for anyone and incorrect decisions will be made but we are trying to reduce the risks to the elderly by vaccinating them first only to increase others risks or risk of a new strain that's not stopped by the vaccine | |||
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" Do as other countries do turn them away That's the safest thing for them in this current situation we can't cope with treating our own citizens without adding more to fuel the fire I have no issues with them entering when we have the country and lives risk free but we let them in they catch it spread it and the country crumbles as NHS can't cope with more people Safest for who? Are you aadvocating we should let them dingy's get to our shores crammed full and we turn them back? Right so we should allow them in that's fine I'm glad it's simple They won't catch it they won't spread it They are at no risk what so ever Then brilliant let's open the airports let's all jet off abroad as risks to anyone don't matter Let's do the humane thing and the whole world opens its boarders to anyone wanting a visit Let's all take a chance on not catching it not spreading it and not putting a strain on other countries resources and hospitals That way same risks are for everyone no matter who If anyone has said that then please point it out. You said do the humane thing allow people in regardless of risks everyone is equal so let them in to a country that can offer a new killer to them We could ask them to bring a coffin too makes things easier Many refuges are coming from small villages fleeing from violence to survive they havent been exposed to covid as it hadn't reached their remote areas only to step ashore and contract a killer virus or watch a relative they have travelled half way round the world seeking safety gasping for breath before dying Really humane Bet you vote for animal testing too Are you saying they should stay in their awful situations rather than taking a chance against a virus you said earlier doesn’t affect most people? I never said it didn't effect most people I asked who should be allowed to say who is vulnerable as many of us won't know until we contract it I really don't know what the answer is regarding allowing them in but either way won't be good for them or others As someone who writes risk assessments daily I see a bigger risk to everyone by allowing our boarders to be open during this time It's not a good time for anyone and incorrect decisions will be made but we are trying to reduce the risks to the elderly by vaccinating them first only to increase others risks or risk of a new strain that's not stopped by the vaccine " I feel the risk of death to them by turning them away is far higher than our risk of death increasing by the more people. We can agree to disagree but it think we all agree it’s a bloody nightmare and we all want to get back to normal ASAP  hopefully that includes holidays back too!! xx | |||
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" Do as other countries do turn them away That's the safest thing for them in this current situation we can't cope with treating our own citizens without adding more to fuel the fire I have no issues with them entering when we have the country and lives risk free but we let them in they catch it spread it and the country crumbles as NHS can't cope with more people Safest for who? Are you aadvocating we should let them dingy's get to our shores crammed full and we turn them back? Right so we should allow them in that's fine I'm glad it's simple They won't catch it they won't spread it They are at no risk what so ever Then brilliant let's open the airports let's all jet off abroad as risks to anyone don't matter Let's do the humane thing and the whole world opens its boarders to anyone wanting a visit Let's all take a chance on not catching it not spreading it and not putting a strain on other countries resources and hospitals That way same risks are for everyone no matter who If anyone has said that then please point it out. You said do the humane thing allow people in regardless of risks everyone is equal so let them in to a country that can offer a new killer to them We could ask them to bring a coffin too makes things easier Many refuges are coming from small villages fleeing from violence to survive they havent been exposed to covid as it hadn't reached their remote areas only to step ashore and contract a killer virus or watch a relative they have travelled half way round the world seeking safety gasping for breath before dying Really humane Bet you vote for animal testing too Are you saying they should stay in their awful situations rather than taking a chance against a virus you said earlier doesn’t affect most people? I never said it didn't effect most people I asked who should be allowed to say who is vulnerable as many of us won't know until we contract it I really don't know what the answer is regarding allowing them in but either way won't be good for them or others As someone who writes risk assessments daily I see a bigger risk to everyone by allowing our boarders to be open during this time It's not a good time for anyone and incorrect decisions will be made but we are trying to reduce the risks to the elderly by vaccinating them first only to increase others risks or risk of a new strain that's not stopped by the vaccine I feel the risk of death to them by turning them away is far higher than our risk of death increasing by the more people. We can agree to disagree but it think we all agree it’s a bloody nightmare and we all want to get back to normal ASAP hopefully that includes holidays back too!! xx"Agree Life's short enough without being restricted in what we do x | |||
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" Do as other countries do turn them away That's the safest thing for them in this current situation we can't cope with treating our own citizens without adding more to fuel the fire I have no issues with them entering when we have the country and lives risk free but we let them in they catch it spread it and the country crumbles as NHS can't cope with more people Safest for who? Are you aadvocating we should let them dingy's get to our shores crammed full and we turn them back? Right so we should allow them in that's fine I'm glad it's simple They won't catch it they won't spread it They are at no risk what so ever Then brilliant let's open the airports let's all jet off abroad as risks to anyone don't matter Let's do the humane thing and the whole world opens its boarders to anyone wanting a visit Let's all take a chance on not catching it not spreading it and not putting a strain on other countries resources and hospitals That way same risks are for everyone no matter who If anyone has said that then please point it out. You said do the humane thing allow people in regardless of risks everyone is equal so let them in to a country that can offer a new killer to them We could ask them to bring a coffin too makes things easier Many refuges are coming from small villages fleeing from violence to survive they havent been exposed to covid as it hadn't reached their remote areas only to step ashore and contract a killer virus or watch a relative they have travelled half way round the world seeking safety gasping for breath before dying Really humane Bet you vote for animal testing too" So what's the alternative let them drown in boats? x | |||
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"We hope that the true cost of flying's environmental damage is included in flight costs when things reopen. It is madness that it is cheaper to fly to Spain than it is to get a bus or train a much shorter distance in this country. Aeroplane fuel should be taxed at least as much as road fuel. Only the well off will be able to travel abroad, is that good ? " Unintended consequences lol | |||
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"I asked if the tour operators would take the opportunity to ramp up prices next year that was all. Yet another post descends into a political debate about refugees etc. Why can no one stick to the topic of the original post!!!!!!" 
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"I asked if the tour operators would take the opportunity to ramp up prices next year that was all. Yet another post descends into a political debate about refugees etc. Why can no one stick to the topic of the original post!!!!!!" It is possible prices might go up. I imagine costs will increase. It's also possible they'll be desperate for business. How's that | |||
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"I asked if the tour operators would take the opportunity to ramp up prices next year that was all. Yet another post descends into a political debate about refugees etc. Why can no one stick to the topic of the original post!!!!!! It is possible prices might go up. I imagine costs will increase. It's also possible they'll be desperate for business. How's that "top notch lol | |||
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"We gave up on European holidays quite a few years back and won't return whilst the Euro is still in place. We would rather boost our own economy, especially once things ease and we are allowed to escape once more. I am genuinely curious about the Euro being an issue - what would you prefer in its place? Changing Sterling to another currency should not make any difference, whether it is called Euro, Franke, Dollars or whatever? Well since the Euro, why do you see locals showing an ID card and getting a lower price at their check outs? Strangely, doesn't happen here. "Sorry, I really do not know what you are referring to - can you please explain? | |||
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"We gave up on European holidays quite a few years back and won't return whilst the Euro is still in place. We would rather boost our own economy, especially once things ease and we are allowed to escape once more. I am genuinely curious about the Euro being an issue - what would you prefer in its place? Changing Sterling to another currency should not make any difference, whether it is called Euro, Franke, Dollars or whatever? Well since the Euro, why do you see locals showing an ID card and getting a lower price at their check outs? Strangely, doesn't happen here. Sorry, I really do not know what you are referring to - can you please explain? "We are in the local supermarket and the locals show their I.D. card and get different pricing to us. So much for a single currency. | |||
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"Sunny holidays booked pcr test on the way there and back and enjoying the sun "Are there no restrictions on flying out of or into Ireland ? | |||
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"So it looks like another year of no foreign holidays..... But what will happen price wise next year. Will tour operators be even more greedy than they were( especially during school holiday time) and ramp up the prices to a point were few can afford it, or will they take the sensible approach and keep prices reasonable and re establish themselves in the market place. " Prices will probably be determined by the forces of supply and demand as they always have been in the competitive travel industry. | |||
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"You have chosen an expensive holiday !" You get what you pay for really. Expensive probably means a better holiday Expensive. | |||
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"You have chosen an expensive holiday ! You get what you pay for really. Expensive probably means a better holiday Expensive. " Experience lol | |||
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"Not sure why there is an obsession with holidays.. foreign or at home..." It's all about creating memories so that in tough times we can use the memories of holidays gone by to give us hope of more to come. | |||
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