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"Government has said it's in talks with other countries about vaccination passports in the future, and says it can see these will eventually be needed for international travel. Have to say, I completely agree." Have foreseen it and thus why I agree to accepting the vaccine. | |||
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"It's not a new idea. I already have a Yellow Card, showing my vaccination history. It used be a requirement to enter certain countries. " Yep I know it's not entirely new, but the big difference with this is that it will potentially include every destination, ie you want your fortnight in Costa del whatever you need to show your vaccination passport. Currently vaccination requirements are for very limited countries. As I say, I'm 100% in agreement with it. | |||
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"Government has said it's in talks with other countries about vaccination passports in the future, and says it can see these will eventually be needed for international travel. Have to say, I completely agree." I do agree but think it will happen because other countries will insist on it so we will have no choice. | |||
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"No can't see it happening. " The EU might insist,lots of countries require certain imnuizations now | |||
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"No can't see it happening. " It's already happening, SAGA holidays are akready insisting on vaccination proof if you want to book with them. | |||
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"Make it like the pet passport. The chip could be inserted at the same time as the vaccine..." You are wicked  | |||
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"Make it like the pet passport. The chip could be inserted at the same time as the vaccine..." If they incorporated tagging facilities as well they could electronically keep tabs on quarantine breakers also  | |||
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"Not what they said two days ago, yes you might need proof had vaccine to visit other countries but we have no intention of issuing them, obtain your proof from your GP https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/55970801 It will continue to involve as more is learnt about the virus and whether additional vaccines are going to be needed in the future " It was on the news this morning, Grant Shapps | |||
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"Not what they said two days ago, yes you might need proof had vaccine to visit other countries but we have no intention of issuing them, obtain your proof from your GP https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/55970801 It will continue to involve as more is learnt about the virus and whether additional vaccines are going to be needed in the future It was on the news this morning, Grant Shapps" All I’ve seen since then is that they have a couple of companies looking at producing a QR code so you may be able to get a digital confirmation you’ve had a vaccine. As I say a constantly changing area and each country’s requirements for entry will differ | |||
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"Not what they said two days ago, yes you might need proof had vaccine to visit other countries but we have no intention of issuing them, obtain your proof from your GP https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/55970801 It will continue to involve as more is learnt about the virus and whether additional vaccines are going to be needed in the future It was on the news this morning, Grant Shapps" What he said... “I imagine that in the future there will be an international system where countries will want to know that you have been potentially vaccinated or potentially had tests taken before flying. I was speaking to my Singaporean counterpart, I was speaking to my US counterpart this week, and we’ll have discussions about those things to have an internationally recognised system.” In the past Downing Street has said the government is not planning vaccine or immunity passports. But Shapps said people were confusing a document for international travel saying someone had been vaccinated with a domestic document saying the same that could be used to qualify for access to jobs, venues or services. Shapps said domestic passports of this kind were “not on the cards” So in short for international travel yes you may have to prove you’ve been vaccinated or take a test, as you do anyway for other diseases and entry to some countries. It is not something you will need domestically, ie those advocating for it to go to restaurants and similar social venues or events | |||
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"Not what they said two days ago, yes you might need proof had vaccine to visit other countries but we have no intention of issuing them, obtain your proof from your GP https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/55970801 It will continue to involve as more is learnt about the virus and whether additional vaccines are going to be needed in the future It was on the news this morning, Grant Shapps What he said... “I imagine that in the future there will be an international system where countries will want to know that you have been potentially vaccinated or potentially had tests taken before flying. I was speaking to my Singaporean counterpart, I was speaking to my US counterpart this week, and we’ll have discussions about those things to have an internationally recognised system.” In the past Downing Street has said the government is not planning vaccine or immunity passports. But Shapps said people were confusing a document for international travel saying someone had been vaccinated with a domestic document saying the same that could be used to qualify for access to jobs, venues or services. Shapps said domestic passports of this kind were “not on the cards” So in short for international travel yes you may have to prove you’ve been vaccinated or take a test, as you do anyway for other diseases and entry to some countries. It is not something you will need domestically, ie those advocating for it to go to restaurants and similar social venues or events " That's basically what I said in my OP... For International travel | |||
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"No can't see it happening. It's already happening, SAGA holidays are akready insisting on vaccination proof if you want to book with them." That's only SAGA holidays. Their main market is the 55+ age group so the target audience will have a good chance of being vaccinated. So the 18-30 group will miss out because they are last on the last to be vaccinated if at all? | |||
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"No can't see it happening. It's already happening, SAGA holidays are akready insisting on vaccination proof if you want to book with them. That's only SAGA holidays. Their main market is the 55+ age group so the target audience will have a good chance of being vaccinated. So the 18-30 group will miss out because they are last on the last to be vaccinated if at all? List even. " | |||
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"No can't see it happening. It's already happening, SAGA holidays are akready insisting on vaccination proof if you want to book with them. That's only SAGA holidays. Their main market is the 55+ age group so the target audience will have a good chance of being vaccinated. So the 18-30 group will miss out because they are last on the last to be vaccinated if at all? " Do you think that other countries care about being fair to young foreigners over protecting their residents and healthcare systems? | |||
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"No can't see it happening. It's already happening, SAGA holidays are akready insisting on vaccination proof if you want to book with them. That's only SAGA holidays. Their main market is the 55+ age group so the target audience will have a good chance of being vaccinated. So the 18-30 group will miss out because they are last on the last to be vaccinated if at all? " They may for a while if countries require vaccination for entry. But moot at present as there isn’t any holiday travel, it will become clearer as each country slow starts to open up, that is some time away though. It is the same for those that can’t have the vaccine and 16s and under, do their travelling lives go on hold until scientists figure out a way to protect them, no family holidays or visits to family abroad | |||
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"No can't see it happening. It's already happening, SAGA holidays are akready insisting on vaccination proof if you want to book with them. That's only SAGA holidays. Their main market is the 55+ age group so the target audience will have a good chance of being vaccinated. So the 18-30 group will miss out because they are last on the last to be vaccinated if at all? Do you think that other countries care about being fair to young foreigners over protecting their residents and healthcare systems?" What I think is irrelevant. If a vaccination passport is required then im sure it will be officially announced. Will just have to wait it out and see if it happens. | |||
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"Make it like the pet passport. The chip could be inserted at the same time as the vaccine... If they incorporated tagging facilities as well they could electronically keep tabs on quarantine breakers also "Yes, this would be enabled by the 5G masts. I believe that the chip manufacturing plant is in Wuhan, and the software has been written by Bill Gates. | |||
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"No can't see it happening. It's already happening, SAGA holidays are akready insisting on vaccination proof if you want to book with them. That's only SAGA holidays. Their main market is the 55+ age group so the target audience will have a good chance of being vaccinated. So the 18-30 group will miss out because they are last on the last to be vaccinated if at all? " Princess cruises and Norwegian cruise lines have very strongly suggested they are going to require proof of vaccine before boarding. It may start with one company rather than a country but I think it will become fairly widespread and something we just have to get used to. And yes if you are in a younger age category you may have to wait but were only talking a few months not years. | |||
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"People have needed to demonstrate the vaccines that they have had for decades, when travelling. It's helpful that this has stimulated the opportunity for potentially updating the system to 1 that is universal, modern and able to cope with needs for a higher proportion of all travel to be screened. Nothing new here. " It is new phone because the vast majority of people that travel every year haven't needed them. The problem is going to be if it is not a national system of giving people proof of vaccination because surgeries will be inundated. | |||
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"People have needed to demonstrate the vaccines that they have had for decades, when travelling. It's helpful that this has stimulated the opportunity for potentially updating the system to 1 that is universal, modern and able to cope with needs for a higher proportion of all travel to be screened. Nothing new here. It is new phone because the vast majority of people that travel every year haven't needed them. The problem is going to be if it is not a national system of giving people proof of vaccination because surgeries will be inundated." *problem | |||
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"As 3.5 millions of E,U nationals residing in the U.K are not able to obtain a physical proof of their successful application to the right to remain scheme I'm not sure a vaccination "passport" will be issued unless pandemonium breaks loose and become a requirement worldwide. In the past I have received travel type vaccines from my local hospital travel clinic and was issued with proof . Not sure how my local GP surgery is going to feel/cope with this new phenomenon... it's hard enough to get a repeat prescription "Quite simply, I predict that private providers will pop up for this i.e. if you want to travel, you pay for the documentation. | |||
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"As 3.5 millions of E,U nationals residing in the U.K are not able to obtain a physical proof of their successful application to the right to remain scheme I'm not sure a vaccination "passport" will be issued unless pandemonium breaks loose and become a requirement worldwide. In the past I have received travel type vaccines from my local hospital travel clinic and was issued with proof . Not sure how my local GP surgery is going to feel/cope with this new phenomenon... it's hard enough to get a repeat prescription "I'm sure if such a thing is adopted, means of obtaining proof will be found. Let's not compare Brexit screwups with the "right" to go on holiday. They'll be treated differently  | |||
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"As 3.5 millions of E,U nationals residing in the U.K are not able to obtain a physical proof of their successful application to the right to remain scheme I'm not sure a vaccination "passport" will be issued unless pandemonium breaks loose and become a requirement worldwide. In the past I have received travel type vaccines from my local hospital travel clinic and was issued with proof . Not sure how my local GP surgery is going to feel/cope with this new phenomenon... it's hard enough to get a repeat prescription
Quite simply, I predict that private providers will pop up for this i.e. if you want to travel, you pay for the documentation.
"I remember vaguely , over 30 years ago , going to a clinic affiliated to an airline or possibly a travel company to get my jabs for a trip to Ivory Coast . But in the meantime, assuming I'll get my jabs from the NHS , I would still need to approach my own surgery for proof should I need it ... I feel that this is poorly thought out and will increase unnecessarily their work load . | |||
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"We don’t know yet how effective those vaccines are. So far very few people around the globe had the second jab and that was under lockdown conditions. We can still get and transmit the virus. 14 people tested positive in a German care home two weeks after they received their second jab. Good thing ,none of them is in a serious condition. In the meantime new strains popping up around the world.We don’t know how good the vaccines are against those strains. Some of them seem to provide some protection while some of them nearly nothing.So what exactly will be the usefulness of such a Vaccine Passport? Meaning what? Just that the person has a limited protection against some viruses. The person can still be infected, spread or become very poorly from different strains. If I was an Aussie I wouldn’t give a dime about your Vaccine Passport if you are coming from UK, South Africa or Brazil. Not to mention that you can get it in airports even if travelling from a safe country." You do know that clinical trials were done, don't you? That data exists and continues to be collected on infection rates among the vaccinated? | |||
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"We don’t know yet how effective those vaccines are. So far very few people around the globe had the second jab and that was under lockdown conditions. We can still get and transmit the virus. 14 people tested positive in a German care home two weeks after they received their second jab. Good thing ,none of them is in a serious condition. In the meantime new strains popping up around the world.We don’t know how good the vaccines are against those strains. Some of them seem to provide some protection while some of them nearly nothing.So what exactly will be the usefulness of such a Vaccine Passport? Meaning what? Just that the person has a limited protection against some viruses. The person can still be infected, spread or become very poorly from different strains. If I was an Aussie I wouldn’t give a dime about your Vaccine Passport if you are coming from UK, South Africa or Brazil. Not to mention that you can get it in airports even if travelling from a safe country. You do know that clinical trials were done, don't you? That data exists and continues to be collected on infection rates among the vaccinated?" You do know that those trials were done on very healthy people, don’t you? You do know that this virus barely touches healthy people, don’t you? You do know that the trials and the vaccination took place under lockdown or social distancing conditions, don’t you? The above factors can severely skew the outcome of any study regarding vaccination. | |||
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"We don’t know yet how effective those vaccines are. So far very few people around the globe had the second jab and that was under lockdown conditions. We can still get and transmit the virus. 14 people tested positive in a German care home two weeks after they received their second jab. Good thing ,none of them is in a serious condition. In the meantime new strains popping up around the world.We don’t know how good the vaccines are against those strains. Some of them seem to provide some protection while some of them nearly nothing.So what exactly will be the usefulness of such a Vaccine Passport? Meaning what? Just that the person has a limited protection against some viruses. The person can still be infected, spread or become very poorly from different strains. If I was an Aussie I wouldn’t give a dime about your Vaccine Passport if you are coming from UK, South Africa or Brazil. Not to mention that you can get it in airports even if travelling from a safe country. You do know that clinical trials were done, don't you? That data exists and continues to be collected on infection rates among the vaccinated? You do know that those trials were done on very healthy people, don’t you? You do know that this virus barely touches healthy people, don’t you? You do know that the trials and the vaccination took place under lockdown or social distancing conditions, don’t you? The above factors can severely skew the outcome of any study regarding vaccination." Ok whatever turns you on  | |||
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"We don’t know yet how effective those vaccines are. So far very few people around the globe had the second jab and that was under lockdown conditions. We can still get and transmit the virus. 14 people tested positive in a German care home two weeks after they received their second jab. Good thing ,none of them is in a serious condition. In the meantime new strains popping up around the world.We don’t know how good the vaccines are against those strains. Some of them seem to provide some protection while some of them nearly nothing.So what exactly will be the usefulness of such a Vaccine Passport? Meaning what? Just that the person has a limited protection against some viruses. The person can still be infected, spread or become very poorly from different strains. If I was an Aussie I wouldn’t give a dime about your Vaccine Passport if you are coming from UK, South Africa or Brazil. Not to mention that you can get it in airports even if travelling from a safe country. You do know that clinical trials were done, don't you? That data exists and continues to be collected on infection rates among the vaccinated? You do know that those trials were done on very healthy people, don’t you? You do know that this virus barely touches healthy people, don’t you? You do know that the trials and the vaccination took place under lockdown or social distancing conditions, don’t you? The above factors can severely skew the outcome of any study regarding vaccination." 
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"We don’t know yet how effective those vaccines are. So far very few people around the globe had the second jab and that was under lockdown conditions. We can still get and transmit the virus. 14 people tested positive in a German care home two weeks after they received their second jab. Good thing ,none of them is in a serious condition. In the meantime new strains popping up around the world.We don’t know how good the vaccines are against those strains. Some of them seem to provide some protection while some of them nearly nothing.So what exactly will be the usefulness of such a Vaccine Passport? Meaning what? Just that the person has a limited protection against some viruses. The person can still be infected, spread or become very poorly from different strains. If I was an Aussie I wouldn’t give a dime about your Vaccine Passport if you are coming from UK, South Africa or Brazil. Not to mention that you can get it in airports even if travelling from a safe country." Thing is, if you are the one wanting to travel to another country, and that country says that you have to have some form of vaccine certification, it really doesn't matter whether you think that vaccination is good, bad or indifferent. If you arrive at their airport and start your spiel about how vaccines mean nothing and there is no point in certificates and how there might be new strains, do you know what will happen? Your argument will just get you on the next plane back home, at your own expense. I'm not the one making the rules, you're not the one making the rules, it's the country that you go to that's making the rules. And when you come back, it's this country making the rules. The guy stood at the entry gate doesn't give a flying fuck about your opinion on how useful your Vaccine passport might be. If you ain't got it, you ain't going through his gate. You kick up a fuss, you get arrested. Simples. | |||
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"We don’t know yet how effective those vaccines are. So far very few people around the globe had the second jab and that was under lockdown conditions. We can still get and transmit the virus. 14 people tested positive in a German care home two weeks after they received their second jab. Good thing ,none of them is in a serious condition. In the meantime new strains popping up around the world.We don’t know how good the vaccines are against those strains. Some of them seem to provide some protection while some of them nearly nothing.So what exactly will be the usefulness of such a Vaccine Passport? Meaning what? Just that the person has a limited protection against some viruses. The person can still be infected, spread or become very poorly from different strains. If I was an Aussie I wouldn’t give a dime about your Vaccine Passport if you are coming from UK, South Africa or Brazil. Not to mention that you can get it in airports even if travelling from a safe country. Thing is, if you are the one wanting to travel to another country, and that country says that you have to have some form of vaccine certification, it really doesn't matter whether you think that vaccination is good, bad or indifferent. If you arrive at their airport and start your spiel about how vaccines mean nothing and there is no point in certificates and how there might be new strains, do you know what will happen? Your argument will just get you on the next plane back home, at your own expense. I'm not the one making the rules, you're not the one making the rules, it's the country that you go to that's making the rules. And when you come back, it's this country making the rules. The guy stood at the entry gate doesn't give a flying fuck about your opinion on how useful your Vaccine passport might be. If you ain't got it, you ain't going through his gate. You kick up a fuss, you get arrested. Simples." Yeah, immigration in most places, it's a bit "you say jump, I say how high, and I pretend to be grateful" | |||
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"We don’t know yet how effective those vaccines are. So far very few people around the globe had the second jab and that was under lockdown conditions. We can still get and transmit the virus. 14 people tested positive in a German care home two weeks after they received their second jab. Good thing ,none of them is in a serious condition. In the meantime new strains popping up around the world.We don’t know how good the vaccines are against those strains. Some of them seem to provide some protection while some of them nearly nothing.So what exactly will be the usefulness of such a Vaccine Passport? Meaning what? Just that the person has a limited protection against some viruses. The person can still be infected, spread or become very poorly from different strains. If I was an Aussie I wouldn’t give a dime about your Vaccine Passport if you are coming from UK, South Africa or Brazil. Not to mention that you can get it in airports even if travelling from a safe country. Thing is, if you are the one wanting to travel to another country, and that country says that you have to have some form of vaccine certification, it really doesn't matter whether you think that vaccination is good, bad or indifferent. If you arrive at their airport and start your spiel about how vaccines mean nothing and there is no point in certificates and how there might be new strains, do you know what will happen? Your argument will just get you on the next plane back home, at your own expense. I'm not the one making the rules, you're not the one making the rules, it's the country that you go to that's making the rules. And when you come back, it's this country making the rules. The guy stood at the entry gate doesn't give a flying fuck about your opinion on how useful your Vaccine passport might be. If you ain't got it, you ain't going through his gate. You kick up a fuss, you get arrested. Simples." Nice to see people agreeing to the tyranny, there’s no need for vaccine passports, it’s all about control, nothing to do with safety, how can you be so naive, you’re part of the problem, just remember that the pcr test that’s already been deemed unsuitable for use, the WHO published in December and last month about the cycles it was being used at, which is still being used, considering that Dr Kary Mullis clearly stated it’s not a diagnosis tool,not being funny that should change everything, without that test that couldn’t perpetuate this unnecessary tyranny, it’s a fraud, this is what’s giving these bullshit numbers which then they use to justify lockdowns, which don’t do shit, there is no scientific basis behind that or social distancing, I’d you believe that you’re a fucking idiot, if you can’t see what it is nearly a year down the line, there’s no hope for you, just go get your vaccine and shut up, anyone say what you want to what I said, I won’t be responding, the truth remains the same no matter what you say | |||
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"We don’t know yet how effective those vaccines are. So far very few people around the globe had the second jab and that was under lockdown conditions. We can still get and transmit the virus. 14 people tested positive in a German care home two weeks after they received their second jab. Good thing ,none of them is in a serious condition. In the meantime new strains popping up around the world.We don’t know how good the vaccines are against those strains. Some of them seem to provide some protection while some of them nearly nothing.So what exactly will be the usefulness of such a Vaccine Passport? Meaning what? Just that the person has a limited protection against some viruses. The person can still be infected, spread or become very poorly from different strains. If I was an Aussie I wouldn’t give a dime about your Vaccine Passport if you are coming from UK, South Africa or Brazil. Not to mention that you can get it in airports even if travelling from a safe country. You do know that clinical trials were done, don't you? That data exists and continues to be collected on infection rates among the vaccinated?" We already know where you get your news from, always regurgitating MSM bullshit | |||
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"We don’t know yet how effective those vaccines are. So far very few people around the globe had the second jab and that was under lockdown conditions. We can still get and transmit the virus. 14 people tested positive in a German care home two weeks after they received their second jab. Good thing ,none of them is in a serious condition. In the meantime new strains popping up around the world.We don’t know how good the vaccines are against those strains. Some of them seem to provide some protection while some of them nearly nothing.So what exactly will be the usefulness of such a Vaccine Passport? Meaning what? Just that the person has a limited protection against some viruses. The person can still be infected, spread or become very poorly from different strains. If I was an Aussie I wouldn’t give a dime about your Vaccine Passport if you are coming from UK, South Africa or Brazil. Not to mention that you can get it in airports even if travelling from a safe country. Thing is, if you are the one wanting to travel to another country, and that country says that you have to have some form of vaccine certification, it really doesn't matter whether you think that vaccination is good, bad or indifferent. If you arrive at their airport and start your spiel about how vaccines mean nothing and there is no point in certificates and how there might be new strains, do you know what will happen? Your argument will just get you on the next plane back home, at your own expense. I'm not the one making the rules, you're not the one making the rules, it's the country that you go to that's making the rules. And when you come back, it's this country making the rules. The guy stood at the entry gate doesn't give a flying fuck about your opinion on how useful your Vaccine passport might be. If you ain't got it, you ain't going through his gate. You kick up a fuss, you get arrested. Simples. Nice to see people agreeing to the tyranny, there’s no need for vaccine passports, it’s all about control, nothing to do with safety, how can you be so naive, you’re part of the problem, just remember that the pcr test that’s already been deemed unsuitable for use, the WHO published in December and last month about the cycles it was being used at, which is still being used, considering that Dr Kary Mullis clearly stated it’s not a diagnosis tool,not being funny that should change everything, without that test that couldn’t perpetuate this unnecessary tyranny, it’s a fraud, this is what’s giving these bullshit numbers which then they use to justify lockdowns, which don’t do shit, there is no scientific basis behind that or social distancing, I’d you believe that you’re a fucking idiot, if you can’t see what it is nearly a year down the line, there’s no hope for you, just go get your vaccine and shut up, anyone say what you want to what I said, I won’t be responding, the truth remains the same no matter what you say " Standard anyone who doesn’t agree with me is a f*cking idiot post... original 
I’m not arguing the post... but social distancing works for any virus, disease, bacteria that is contagious lol. That bits common sense
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"We don’t know yet how effective those vaccines are. So far very few people around the globe had the second jab and that was under lockdown conditions. We can still get and transmit the virus. 14 people tested positive in a German care home two weeks after they received their second jab. Good thing ,none of them is in a serious condition. In the meantime new strains popping up around the world.We don’t know how good the vaccines are against those strains. Some of them seem to provide some protection while some of them nearly nothing.So what exactly will be the usefulness of such a Vaccine Passport? Meaning what? Just that the person has a limited protection against some viruses. The person can still be infected, spread or become very poorly from different strains. If I was an Aussie I wouldn’t give a dime about your Vaccine Passport if you are coming from UK, South Africa or Brazil. Not to mention that you can get it in airports even if travelling from a safe country. Thing is, if you are the one wanting to travel to another country, and that country says that you have to have some form of vaccine certification, it really doesn't matter whether you think that vaccination is good, bad or indifferent. If you arrive at their airport and start your spiel about how vaccines mean nothing and there is no point in certificates and how there might be new strains, do you know what will happen? Your argument will just get you on the next plane back home, at your own expense. I'm not the one making the rules, you're not the one making the rules, it's the country that you go to that's making the rules. And when you come back, it's this country making the rules. The guy stood at the entry gate doesn't give a flying fuck about your opinion on how useful your Vaccine passport might be. If you ain't got it, you ain't going through his gate. You kick up a fuss, you get arrested. Simples. Nice to see people agreeing to the tyranny, there’s no need for vaccine passports, it’s all about control, nothing to do with safety, how can you be so naive, you’re part of the problem, just remember that the pcr test that’s already been deemed unsuitable for use, the WHO published in December and last month about the cycles it was being used at, which is still being used, considering that Dr Kary Mullis clearly stated it’s not a diagnosis tool,not being funny that should change everything, without that test that couldn’t perpetuate this unnecessary tyranny, it’s a fraud, this is what’s giving these bullshit numbers which then they use to justify lockdowns, which don’t do shit, there is no scientific basis behind that or social distancing, I’d you believe that you’re a fucking idiot, if you can’t see what it is nearly a year down the line, there’s no hope for you, just go get your vaccine and shut up, anyone say what you want to what I said, I won’t be responding, the truth remains the same no matter what you say Standard anyone who doesn’t agree with me is a f*cking idiot post... original
I’m not arguing the post... but social distancing works for any virus, disease, bacteria that is contagious lol. That bits common sense
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"We don’t know yet how effective those vaccines are. So far very few people around the globe had the second jab and that was under lockdown conditions. We can still get and transmit the virus. 14 people tested positive in a German care home two weeks after they received their second jab. Good thing ,none of them is in a serious condition. In the meantime new strains popping up around the world.We don’t know how good the vaccines are against those strains. Some of them seem to provide some protection while some of them nearly nothing.So what exactly will be the usefulness of such a Vaccine Passport? Meaning what? Just that the person has a limited protection against some viruses. The person can still be infected, spread or become very poorly from different strains. If I was an Aussie I wouldn’t give a dime about your Vaccine Passport if you are coming from UK, South Africa or Brazil. Not to mention that you can get it in airports even if travelling from a safe country. You do know that clinical trials were done, don't you? That data exists and continues to be collected on infection rates among the vaccinated? We already know where you get your news from, always regurgitating MSM bullshit " Haha - my mistake... got something to say after all. Shame it contributes very little sense and even less intelligence to the debate. Here's a little explanation... the data doesn't come from the "MSM"... it comes from studies done by scientists... you know, the people who've spent years getting an education and experience in these complex subjects. Of course you can eschew their knowledge in preference of some fuckwits creating bullshit social media posts... many morons do! | |||
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I’m not arguing the post... but social distancing works for any virus, disease, bacteria that is contagious lol. That bits common sense
Can’t catch a cold if your not near the virus! Ha
Since when have they ever advocated for Social distancing until now ? Its bullshit hahaha don’t be so naive "I’m sorry where did I say they advocated it for anything else? I’m not naive. I simply stated fact. You can’t catch a contagious disease until your able to be contaminated with it. Social distancing reduces that
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"We don’t know yet how effective those vaccines are. So far very few people around the globe had the second jab and that was under lockdown conditions. We can still get and transmit the virus. 14 people tested positive in a German care home two weeks after they received their second jab. Good thing ,none of them is in a serious condition. In the meantime new strains popping up around the world.We don’t know how good the vaccines are against those strains. Some of them seem to provide some protection while some of them nearly nothing.So what exactly will be the usefulness of such a Vaccine Passport? Meaning what? Just that the person has a limited protection against some viruses. The person can still be infected, spread or become very poorly from different strains. If I was an Aussie I wouldn’t give a dime about your Vaccine Passport if you are coming from UK, South Africa or Brazil. Not to mention that you can get it in airports even if travelling from a safe country. Thing is, if you are the one wanting to travel to another country, and that country says that you have to have some form of vaccine certification, it really doesn't matter whether you think that vaccination is good, bad or indifferent. If you arrive at their airport and start your spiel about how vaccines mean nothing and there is no point in certificates and how there might be new strains, do you know what will happen? Your argument will just get you on the next plane back home, at your own expense. I'm not the one making the rules, you're not the one making the rules, it's the country that you go to that's making the rules. And when you come back, it's this country making the rules. The guy stood at the entry gate doesn't give a flying fuck about your opinion on how useful your Vaccine passport might be. If you ain't got it, you ain't going through his gate. You kick up a fuss, you get arrested. Simples. Nice to see people agreeing to the tyranny, there’s no need for vaccine passports, it’s all about control, nothing to do with safety, how can you be so naive, you’re part of the problem, just remember that the pcr test that’s already been deemed unsuitable for use, the WHO published in December and last month about the cycles it was being used at, which is still being used, considering that Dr Kary Mullis clearly stated it’s not a diagnosis tool,not being funny that should change everything, without that test that couldn’t perpetuate this unnecessary tyranny, it’s a fraud, this is what’s giving these bullshit numbers which then they use to justify lockdowns, which don’t do shit, there is no scientific basis behind that or social distancing, I’d you believe that you’re a fucking idiot, if you can’t see what it is nearly a year down the line, there’s no hope for you, just go get your vaccine and shut up, anyone say what you want to what I said, I won’t be responding, the truth remains the same no matter what you say " Like I say, if I want to travel to another country and the travel rules say vaccination passport, then it doesn't count for shit what I think. I either get the vaccination or I don't travel. It doesn't matter what the fuck Dr Kary Mullis says, because you know what? The guy at immigration doesn't give a fuck who Dr Kary Mullis is. If he has been told vaccine needed, then vaccine is needed. If he has been told quarantine needed, then quarantine is needed. And if the guy is anything like every other immigration officer I've ever had the pleasure of showing my passport to, if I started arguing with him the very first thing I can expect is to be locked in a small room while a guy with very large hands puts on rubber gloves and tells me to assume the position... | |||
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"We don’t know yet how effective those vaccines are. So far very few people around the globe had the second jab and that was under lockdown conditions. We can still get and transmit the virus. 14 people tested positive in a German care home two weeks after they received their second jab. Good thing ,none of them is in a serious condition. In the meantime new strains popping up around the world.We don’t know how good the vaccines are against those strains. Some of them seem to provide some protection while some of them nearly nothing.So what exactly will be the usefulness of such a Vaccine Passport? Meaning what? Just that the person has a limited protection against some viruses. The person can still be infected, spread or become very poorly from different strains. If I was an Aussie I wouldn’t give a dime about your Vaccine Passport if you are coming from UK, South Africa or Brazil. Not to mention that you can get it in airports even if travelling from a safe country. Thing is, if you are the one wanting to travel to another country, and that country says that you have to have some form of vaccine certification, it really doesn't matter whether you think that vaccination is good, bad or indifferent. If you arrive at their airport and start your spiel about how vaccines mean nothing and there is no point in certificates and how there might be new strains, do you know what will happen? Your argument will just get you on the next plane back home, at your own expense. I'm not the one making the rules, you're not the one making the rules, it's the country that you go to that's making the rules. And when you come back, it's this country making the rules. The guy stood at the entry gate doesn't give a flying fuck about your opinion on how useful your Vaccine passport might be. If you ain't got it, you ain't going through his gate. You kick up a fuss, you get arrested. Simples. Nice to see people agreeing to the tyranny, there’s no need for vaccine passports, it’s all about control, nothing to do with safety, how can you be so naive, you’re part of the problem, just remember that the pcr test that’s already been deemed unsuitable for use, the WHO published in December and last month about the cycles it was being used at, which is still being used, considering that Dr Kary Mullis clearly stated it’s not a diagnosis tool,not being funny that should change everything, without that test that couldn’t perpetuate this unnecessary tyranny, it’s a fraud, this is what’s giving these bullshit numbers which then they use to justify lockdowns, which don’t do shit, there is no scientific basis behind that or social distancing, I’d you believe that you’re a fucking idiot, if you can’t see what it is nearly a year down the line, there’s no hope for you, just go get your vaccine and shut up, anyone say what you want to what I said, I won’t be responding, the truth remains the same no matter what you say Like I say, if I want to travel to another country and the travel rules say vaccination passport, then it doesn't count for shit what I think. I either get the vaccination or I don't travel. It doesn't matter what the fuck Dr Kary Mullis says, because you know what? The guy at immigration doesn't give a fuck who Dr Kary Mullis is. If he has been told vaccine needed, then vaccine is needed. If he has been told quarantine needed, then quarantine is needed. And if the guy is anything like every other immigration officer I've ever had the pleasure of showing my passport to, if I started arguing with him the very first thing I can expect is to be locked in a small room while a guy with very large hands puts on rubber gloves and tells me to assume the position... It’s ok I understand that you don’t get it, enjoy the tyranny bro " Mate I get it. And you will as well when you try to enter some country without your vaccinations, then argue the toss with a guy who has a gun. When they tell you to bend over and you hear the snap of the rubber gloves, then you'll get it | |||
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"We don’t know yet how effective those vaccines are. So far very few people around the globe had the second jab and that was under lockdown conditions. We can still get and transmit the virus. 14 people tested positive in a German care home two weeks after they received their second jab. Good thing ,none of them is in a serious condition. In the meantime new strains popping up around the world.We don’t know how good the vaccines are against those strains. Some of them seem to provide some protection while some of them nearly nothing.So what exactly will be the usefulness of such a Vaccine Passport? Meaning what? Just that the person has a limited protection against some viruses. The person can still be infected, spread or become very poorly from different strains. If I was an Aussie I wouldn’t give a dime about your Vaccine Passport if you are coming from UK, South Africa or Brazil. Not to mention that you can get it in airports even if travelling from a safe country. Thing is, if you are the one wanting to travel to another country, and that country says that you have to have some form of vaccine certification, it really doesn't matter whether you think that vaccination is good, bad or indifferent. If you arrive at their airport and start your spiel about how vaccines mean nothing and there is no point in certificates and how there might be new strains, do you know what will happen? Your argument will just get you on the next plane back home, at your own expense. I'm not the one making the rules, you're not the one making the rules, it's the country that you go to that's making the rules. And when you come back, it's this country making the rules. The guy stood at the entry gate doesn't give a flying fuck about your opinion on how useful your Vaccine passport might be. If you ain't got it, you ain't going through his gate. You kick up a fuss, you get arrested. Simples. Nice to see people agreeing to the tyranny, there’s no need for vaccine passports, it’s all about control, nothing to do with safety, how can you be so naive, you’re part of the problem, just remember that the pcr test that’s already been deemed unsuitable for use, the WHO published in December and last month about the cycles it was being used at, which is still being used, considering that Dr Kary Mullis clearly stated it’s not a diagnosis tool,not being funny that should change everything, without that test that couldn’t perpetuate this unnecessary tyranny, it’s a fraud, this is what’s giving these bullshit numbers which then they use to justify lockdowns, which don’t do shit, there is no scientific basis behind that or social distancing, I’d you believe that you’re a fucking idiot, if you can’t see what it is nearly a year down the line, there’s no hope for you, just go get your vaccine and shut up, anyone say what you want to what I said, I won’t be responding, the truth remains the same no matter what you say Like I say, if I want to travel to another country and the travel rules say vaccination passport, then it doesn't count for shit what I think. I either get the vaccination or I don't travel. It doesn't matter what the fuck Dr Kary Mullis says, because you know what? The guy at immigration doesn't give a fuck who Dr Kary Mullis is. If he has been told vaccine needed, then vaccine is needed. If he has been told quarantine needed, then quarantine is needed. And if the guy is anything like every other immigration officer I've ever had the pleasure of showing my passport to, if I started arguing with him the very first thing I can expect is to be locked in a small room while a guy with very large hands puts on rubber gloves and tells me to assume the position... It’s ok I understand that you don’t get it, enjoy the tyranny bro Mate I get it. And you will as well when you try to enter some country without your vaccinations, then argue the toss with a guy who has a gun. When they tell you to bend over and you hear the snap of the rubber gloves, then you'll get it
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Hahaha - I'm more than versed with the topic... and I'm looking forward to getting my vaccine and things will open up again, while you move onto the next delusional conspiracy theory.. I hope you can break the cycle before then "Cognitive dissonance that’s all I’m saying | |||
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"We don’t know yet how effective those vaccines are. So far very few people around the globe had the second jab and that was under lockdown conditions. We can still get and transmit the virus. 14 people tested positive in a German care home two weeks after they received their second jab. Good thing ,none of them is in a serious condition. In the meantime new strains popping up around the world.We don’t know how good the vaccines are against those strains. Some of them seem to provide some protection while some of them nearly nothing.So what exactly will be the usefulness of such a Vaccine Passport? Meaning what? Just that the person has a limited protection against some viruses. The person can still be infected, spread or become very poorly from different strains. If I was an Aussie I wouldn’t give a dime about your Vaccine Passport if you are coming from UK, South Africa or Brazil. Not to mention that you can get it in airports even if travelling from a safe country. Thing is, if you are the one wanting to travel to another country, and that country says that you have to have some form of vaccine certification, it really doesn't matter whether you think that vaccination is good, bad or indifferent. If you arrive at their airport and start your spiel about how vaccines mean nothing and there is no point in certificates and how there might be new strains, do you know what will happen? Your argument will just get you on the next plane back home, at your own expense. I'm not the one making the rules, you're not the one making the rules, it's the country that you go to that's making the rules. And when you come back, it's this country making the rules. The guy stood at the entry gate doesn't give a flying fuck about your opinion on how useful your Vaccine passport might be. If you ain't got it, you ain't going through his gate. You kick up a fuss, you get arrested. Simples. Nice to see people agreeing to the tyranny, there’s no need for vaccine passports, it’s all about control, nothing to do with safety, how can you be so naive, you’re part of the problem, just remember that the pcr test that’s already been deemed unsuitable for use, the WHO published in December and last month about the cycles it was being used at, which is still being used, considering that Dr Kary Mullis clearly stated it’s not a diagnosis tool,not being funny that should change everything, without that test that couldn’t perpetuate this unnecessary tyranny, it’s a fraud, this is what’s giving these bullshit numbers which then they use to justify lockdowns, which don’t do shit, there is no scientific basis behind that or social distancing, I’d you believe that you’re a fucking idiot, if you can’t see what it is nearly a year down the line, there’s no hope for you, just go get your vaccine and shut up, anyone say what you want to what I said, I won’t be responding, the truth remains the same no matter what you say Like I say, if I want to travel to another country and the travel rules say vaccination passport, then it doesn't count for shit what I think. I either get the vaccination or I don't travel. It doesn't matter what the fuck Dr Kary Mullis says, because you know what? The guy at immigration doesn't give a fuck who Dr Kary Mullis is. If he has been told vaccine needed, then vaccine is needed. If he has been told quarantine needed, then quarantine is needed. And if the guy is anything like every other immigration officer I've ever had the pleasure of showing my passport to, if I started arguing with him the very first thing I can expect is to be locked in a small room while a guy with very large hands puts on rubber gloves and tells me to assume the position... It’s ok I understand that you don’t get it, enjoy the tyranny bro Tyranny
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You must not know what the concept of freedom is, go lock yourself indoors and wait for your vaccine you melt
Hahaha - I'm more than versed with the topic... and I'm looking forward to getting my vaccine and things will open up again, while you move onto the next delusional conspiracy theory.. I hope you can break the cycle before then
Cognitive dissonance that’s all I’m saying "Don't know what the fuck he's talking about, including when he mentions cognitive dissonance. That's all I'm saying | |||
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You must not know what the concept of freedom is, go lock yourself indoors and wait for your vaccine you melt
Hahaha - I'm more than versed with the topic... and I'm looking forward to getting my vaccine and things will open up again, while you move onto the next delusional conspiracy theory.. I hope you can break the cycle before then
Cognitive dissonance that’s all I’m saying
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"I can't believe I'm reading some people on here, it's a joke please tell me your joking. Ok being told you have to have a vaccine and be tagged, plus an app to track and trace you on your phone before you can travel. Sorry but my freedom is worth more an a week in the sun,but carry on and don't forget to thank them for taking all your freedoms and any self-worth you had. The new world order is well inbedded in a lot of people, who believe its for your safety " | |||
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"It sounds like a bit of an abuse of power and riding roughshod over an individuals right to make choices regarding their body. " If you don't get the vaccine you don't travel to that place. Your choice. | |||
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" Since when have they ever advocated for Social distancing until now ? Its bullshit hahaha don’t be so naive " 1918 | |||
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"It sounds like a bit of an abuse of power and riding roughshod over an individuals right to make choices regarding their body. If you don't get the vaccine you don't travel to that place. Your choice." I just wonder since when did bribery and threats by governments ever result in public trust and respect in said governments. | |||
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"My main misgivings about this is whether western vaccinations will be recognised by some countries or will we be obliged to pay to have their home brew and still pay again to quarantine for two weeks in a hotel of their choosing?" This is a very good point actually because we could very well see a situation where certain countries will require you to have had a certain type of vaccination. | |||
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"making travel harder (and i love it) might help save the earth ive said for ages the virus is all part of the earth saying fuck off people there is way too many of you anyway wonder if there is a link between anti vaxxers and climate change deniers? d " Doubt it, the people i know that are adamant they won't have the vaccine are members of extinction rebellion. | |||
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"wow that's really interesting " It is interesting because there are 3 people that we know of in our circle of friends who have been on protests for extinction rebellion and other environmental causes, also the very people that have been on anti lockdown marches and are refusing the vaccine. | |||
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"lots of the far left people i know who'd support extinction rebellion.. and things like blm.. of which iam one are hard lined zealot lockdowners and pro vaxxers.. takes all sorts d" Really! Extinction rebellion protesters got fines for breaching social distanceing rules and tier restrictions in September for the blockades to stop newspapers hitting shops and that was organised by extinction rebellion. | |||
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"It sounds like a bit of an abuse of power and riding roughshod over an individuals right to make choices regarding their body. If you don't get the vaccine you don't travel to that place. Your choice. I just wonder since when did bribery and threats by governments ever result in public trust and respect in said governments." *Shrug* If a country does it, that's what you've got to work with. | |||
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"in my experience the most vocal anti vaxxers.. anti lockdowners are right wing.. its just the libertarian process that's more difficult for the libertines of the left than redneck do whatever you want for profit libertarians (unless your gay) on the right " I think it's easy to oversimplify individual politics, as we've seen a lot on Fab. As the discussion between you and Lorna shows, it's not two positions, it's many. | |||
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"large swathes of the conservative and unionist party have rebelled against their own cabinet and backed anti-lockdown in various votes over the last year. are they left wing?" No. Politics are more complicated than that. | |||
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"It doesn't matter whether our government decides we should have vaccine passports or not. If Spain for example say you can't come in without proof then You either don't go to Spain or you get proof of vaccination."
HMG have made it very clear there is no plan for the UK to introduce or require a vaccine passport.
What does a government do if other countries chose to use vaccine passports?
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"large swathes of the conservative and unionist party have rebelled against their own cabinet and backed anti-lockdown in various votes over the last year. are they left wing? No. Politics are more complicated than that." it sure is | |||
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"large swathes of the conservative and unionist party have rebelled against their own cabinet and backed anti-lockdown in various votes over the last year. are they left wing? No. Politics are more complicated than that." that is indeed what i was highlighting. | |||
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"People have needed to demonstrate the vaccines that they have had for decades, when travelling. It's helpful that this has stimulated the opportunity for potentially updating the system to 1 that is universal, modern and able to cope with needs for a higher proportion of all travel to be screened. Nothing new here. " | |||
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"US is not planning a passport, UK, France and Germany are not planning a passport. So there will be no passport. " ... So no other countries in the world exist? | |||
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"US is not planning a passport, UK, France and Germany are not planning a passport. So there will be no passport. ... So no other countries in the world exist?" They do however the general rule is they follow the more powerful ones not the other way around. There may be an odd one here and there but nothing else. | |||
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"US is not planning a passport, UK, France and Germany are not planning a passport. So there will be no passport. ... So no other countries in the world exist? They do however the general rule is they follow the more powerful ones not the other way around. There may be an odd one here and there but nothing else." Ok. I have no idea if such a thing will go ahead, but "these countries won't do it therefore it won't happen" seems somewhere between unlikely and absurd. | |||
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"US is not planning a passport, UK, France and Germany are not planning a passport. So there will be no passport. ... So no other countries in the world exist?" Other countries are not in the pecking order. | |||
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"US is not planning a passport, UK, France and Germany are not planning a passport. So there will be no passport. ... So no other countries in the world exist? Other countries are not in the pecking order. " The pecking order of deciding their own entry requirements? | |||
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"1. The destination country will determine their entry requirements. If they want a vaccine certificate/passport you have no choice. 2. This makes sense when/if there is sufficient robust peer reviewed evidence that shows the vaccine(s) prevent or significantly reduce transmission as well as protecting the vaccine recipient from serious illness (we already know the vaccines do not stop you from contracting Covid). However, if the evidence doesn’t appear then the vaccine only protecting recipient from serious illness doesn’t seem like a logical reason to require proof of vaccine unless the aim is to protect the local healthcare providers from looking after seriously sick tourists?" Yes it will depend on what other countries do. Greece for example are saying if you have had the vaccine and can show proof then you won't have to self isolate when you get there. | |||
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