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"I have to say, it's all too easy to throw that slur about these days. I understand some of the theories are bizzare and comical but, if people instantly shout "conspiracy" at anything that goes against an 'official' statement we'll end up doing a brilliant job of suppressing free thinking and actually challenging the story we've been told. None of us really get information directly from the source of truth, we only hope it is as it's passed on through various media sources and We've all seen how people in power have lied and manipulated us many times before. Maybe we should all just respectfully tolerate an alternative viewpoint now and again rather than attacking it. Just saying. " Yes. An unwillingness to contemplate alternate views is just lazy. Although, who can blame people for taking the path of least resistance. It's exhausting keeping up with all the conflicting information out there. Sometimes its just easier to sit back and accept that what is black is white and what is white is black. So much for evolution right? | |||
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"I have to say, it's all too easy to throw that slur about these days. I understand some of the theories are bizzare and comical but, if people instantly shout "conspiracy" at anything that goes against an 'official' statement we'll end up doing a brilliant job of suppressing free thinking and actually challenging the story we've been told. None of us really get information directly from the source of truth, we only hope it is as it's passed on through various media sources and We've all seen how people in power have lied and manipulated us many times before. Maybe we should all just respectfully tolerate an alternative viewpoint now and again rather than attacking it. Just saying. " No it’s right enough. Sometimes I will say stuff that I know is wrong because I don’t like an unchallenged narrative. But the bill gates shit, God give me strength. | |||
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Teaching them critical thinking, (trusted sources, balanced reporting) is more important than critising/judging/attacking.
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"Going to be unpopular here I fear, but I hate the learn by your own experience and form your own opinion' mantra when applied to medicine (and other sciences) It just leads to people making awful healthcare choices because it hapoens to fit their worldview (or line the pockets of a nutritionist/crystal healer/homeopath/other woo merchant). I appreciate rhe appication to some growth and personal development, but too many sell it as a life philosophy and that is genuinely dangerous. As a race we are capable of extraordinary science, amazing tests and statistics. Why restrict ourselves by ignoring this? " And yet everything statistic wise and scientifically wise starts out as a individual life experience. A hypothesis. | |||
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"I have to say, it's all too easy to throw that slur about these days. I understand some of the theories are bizzare and comical but, if people instantly shout "conspiracy" at anything that goes against an 'official' statement we'll end up doing a brilliant job of suppressing free thinking and actually challenging the story we've been told. None of us really get information directly from the source of truth, we only hope it is as it's passed on through various media sources and We've all seen how people in power have lied and manipulated us many times before. Maybe we should all just respectfully tolerate an alternative viewpoint now and again rather than attacking it. Just saying. " It depends what impact the viewpoint has on others as to how alternative views should be tolerated. If people want to believe the world is flat that’s there problem. When these views result in the blowing up of telecom masts and the undermining of critical vaccination programs without any credible and intelligence science, then no, my tolerance for uneducated bullshit is at an end. I appreciate populations are lied to and manipulated, sometimes intentionally, sometimes not. There will be aspects of the pandemic that are not exactly as sold to us for various reasons but that doesn’t make the scale of the problem any less. If we loose all confidence in the systems of check and balances that do exist in our democracy then our civilisation will ultimately descend into anarchy, collapse and die. | |||
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"I have to say, it's all too easy to throw that slur about these days. I understand some of the theories are bizzare and comical but, if people instantly shout "conspiracy" at anything that goes against an 'official' statement we'll end up doing a brilliant job of suppressing free thinking and actually challenging the story we've been told. None of us really get information directly from the source of truth, we only hope it is as it's passed on through various media sources and We've all seen how people in power have lied and manipulated us many times before. Maybe we should all just respectfully tolerate an alternative viewpoint now and again rather than attacking it. Just saying. " Agreed, finally some logical thinking, because the sooner we all think like this the sooner we can ensure we arent being lied to and the truth/justice is served. | |||
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"I have to say, it's all too easy to throw that slur about these days. I understand some of the theories are bizzare and comical but, if people instantly shout "conspiracy" at anything that goes against an 'official' statement we'll end up doing a brilliant job of suppressing free thinking and actually challenging the story we've been told. None of us really get information directly from the source of truth, we only hope it is as it's passed on through various media sources and We've all seen how people in power have lied and manipulated us many times before. Maybe we should all just respectfully tolerate an alternative viewpoint now and again rather than attacking it. Just saying. " No will not tolerate such idiots simple | |||
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"I have to say, it's all too easy to throw that slur about these days. I understand some of the theories are bizzare and comical but, if people instantly shout "conspiracy" at anything that goes against an 'official' statement we'll end up doing a brilliant job of suppressing free thinking and actually challenging the story we've been told. None of us really get information directly from the source of truth, we only hope it is as it's passed on through various media sources and We've all seen how people in power have lied and manipulated us many times before. Maybe we should all just respectfully tolerate an alternative viewpoint now and again rather than attacking it. Just saying. No will not tolerate such idiots simple" Question everything.  | |||
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"I have to say, it's all too easy to throw that slur about these days. I understand some of the theories are bizzare and comical but, if people instantly shout "conspiracy" at anything that goes against an 'official' statement we'll end up doing a brilliant job of suppressing free thinking and actually challenging the story we've been told. None of us really get information directly from the source of truth, we only hope it is as it's passed on through various media sources and We've all seen how people in power have lied and manipulated us many times before. Maybe we should all just respectfully tolerate an alternative viewpoint now and again rather than attacking it. Just saying. No will not tolerate such idiots simple Question everything. "True. Even Einstein was considered a crackpot. Fear stop you from thinking outside the box. | |||
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"I have to say, it's all too easy to throw that slur about these days. I understand some of the theories are bizzare and comical but, if people instantly shout "conspiracy" at anything that goes against an 'official' statement we'll end up doing a brilliant job of suppressing free thinking and actually challenging the story we've been told. None of us really get information directly from the source of truth, we only hope it is as it's passed on through various media sources and We've all seen how people in power have lied and manipulated us many times before. Maybe we should all just respectfully tolerate an alternative viewpoint now and again rather than attacking it. Just saying. No will not tolerate such idiots simple Question everything. "Question everything, but once you have been to school and been taught, Chemistry, Biology, Physics, Maths, etc, take those learnings andbuildon them. Don’t junk the years you were taught the answers and how to differentiate complete bollox from fact, or a different way of looking at things. QAnon is total Bollox, David Ike sprouts totall Bollox and pretty much everything the anti-vaxxers come out with is total bollox. I am happy to accept questioning things, but too many ‘learn’ from social media - that got us Trump  | |||
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"Going to be unpopular here I fear, but I hate the learn by your own experience and form your own opinion' mantra when applied to medicine (and other sciences) It just leads to people making awful healthcare choices because it hapoens to fit their worldview (or line the pockets of a nutritionist/crystal healer/homeopath/other woo merchant). I appreciate rhe appication to some growth and personal development, but too many sell it as a life philosophy and that is genuinely dangerous. As a race we are capable of extraordinary science, amazing tests and statistics. Why restrict ourselves by ignoring this? " They are complimentary therapies which can be used alongside modern medicine. Why restrict ourselves by ignoring them? It's an individual's choice. | |||
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"I have to say, it's all too easy to throw that slur about these days. I understand some of the theories are bizzare and comical but, if people instantly shout "conspiracy" at anything that goes against an 'official' statement we'll end up doing a brilliant job of suppressing free thinking and actually challenging the story we've been told. None of us really get information directly from the source of truth, we only hope it is as it's passed on through various media sources and We've all seen how people in power have lied and manipulated us many times before. Maybe we should all just respectfully tolerate an alternative viewpoint now and again rather than attacking it. Just saying. " Depends on what is said. I had someone that I called much worse than a tin foil wearing numpty , contact my special needs daughter on Facebook Facebook messenger and tell her that she shouldn't get the vaccine as it's a cull of people like her... To say I was annoyed was an understatement. Just glad I keep an eye on her account. | |||
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" Question everything.
Why? "* Sounds a bit like Blackadder: "Baldrick - deny everything!" | |||
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"Going to be unpopular here I fear, but I hate the learn by your own experience and form your own opinion' mantra when applied to medicine (and other sciences) It just leads to people making awful healthcare choices because it hapoens to fit their worldview (or line the pockets of a nutritionist/crystal healer/homeopath/other woo merchant). I appreciate rhe appication to some growth and personal development, but too many sell it as a life philosophy and that is genuinely dangerous. As a race we are capable of extraordinary science, amazing tests and statistics. Why restrict ourselves by ignoring this? They are complimentary therapies which can be used alongside modern medicine. Why restrict ourselves by ignoring them? It's an individual's choice. " . Again down to research & not abandoning medical interventions, most complimentary therapies perform little better than placebos, if at all. | |||
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"I believe that only by listening to someone and their fears/beliefs, can we help them educate themselves. It is so easy to get pulled into dark depths from social media
Teaching them critical thinking, (trusted sources, balanced reporting) is more important than critising/judging/attacking.
We all judge, and because some things are really emotive, they provoke sharp judgement and comments. "There's no helping many people though unfortunately no matter how much you try and educate them. | |||
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"Surrey Police has launched an urgent appeal for the public's help after a group entered an East Surrey Hospital Covid ward and one member of the group tried to remove a sick patient. A man from Maidstone is wanted in connection with a public nuisance offence following a report officers received from East Surrey Hospital in Redhill on Saturday (January 23) in relation to social media posts which included videos and abusive comments towards hospital staff. Videos have been circulated online showing a group arguing with hospital staff, with one man saying there is no proof coronavirus exists and apparently attempting to remove a patient from the hospital, despite being told they will die if they leave. Borrowed from an online newspaper, it made the local tv news as well." Seen it. Utter fuckwits | |||
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"Going to be unpopular here I fear, but I hate the learn by your own experience and form your own opinion' mantra when applied to medicine (and other sciences) It just leads to people making awful healthcare choices because it hapoens to fit their worldview (or line the pockets of a nutritionist/crystal healer/homeopath/other woo merchant). I appreciate rhe appication to some growth and personal development, but too many sell it as a life philosophy and that is genuinely dangerous. As a race we are capable of extraordinary science, amazing tests and statistics. Why restrict ourselves by ignoring this? " This goes against the OP but I'll have to disagree with a few assumptions here. There is some very good alternative medicines, some of which the western medical world doesn't want to accept, some for political reasons, some financial and some because it would challenge their own thinking. They can be complimentary. Second thing about science is that it is built upon knowledge and understanding and it even changes as a result (gasp  ). So we no we shouldn't ignore but we should still be open to alternatives even in these fields. | |||
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"The problem for me is that the origins of these theories are usually monetised for someone’s personal gain. You can make a tidy living from spouting about lizard people, micro chips and satanic pedo cults. " Especially with the likes of YouTube where people can monetise these theories pretty easily without having to run seminars or sell videos like the old days. | |||
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"Surrey Police has launched an urgent appeal for the public's help after a group entered an East Surrey Hospital Covid ward and one member of the group tried to remove a sick patient. A man from Maidstone is wanted in connection with a public nuisance offence following a report officers received from East Surrey Hospital in Redhill on Saturday (January 23) in relation to social media posts which included videos and abusive comments towards hospital staff. Videos have been circulated online showing a group arguing with hospital staff, with one man saying there is no proof coronavirus exists and apparently attempting to remove a patient from the hospital, despite being told they will die if they leave. Borrowed from an online newspaper, it made the local tv news as well." My mother is friends on FB with the man wanted. Unfortunately I don't know anything about him or his whereabouts. It's a fucking disgrace  | |||
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"The problem for me is that the origins of these theories are usually monetised for someone’s personal gain. You can make a tidy living from spouting about lizard people, micro chips and satanic pedo cults. Especially with the likes of YouTube where people can monetise these theories pretty easily without having to run seminars or sell videos like the old days. " Conspiracy theory makes you think. For instance the gamestop incident. I made lots of money now the rich are crying because they got owned. It's like sometimes you think it's true that they want to oppress. | |||
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"Going to be unpopular here I fear, but I hate the learn by your own experience and form your own opinion' mantra when applied to medicine (and other sciences) It just leads to people making awful healthcare choices because it hapoens to fit their worldview (or line the pockets of a nutritionist/crystal healer/homeopath/other woo merchant). I appreciate rhe appication to some growth and personal development, but too many sell it as a life philosophy and that is genuinely dangerous. As a race we are capable of extraordinary science, amazing tests and statistics. Why restrict ourselves by ignoring this? This goes against the OP but I'll have to disagree with a few assumptions here. There is some very good alternative medicines, some of which the western medical world doesn't want to accept, some for political reasons, some financial and some because it would challenge their own thinking. They can be complimentary. Second thing about science is that it is built upon knowledge and understanding and it even changes as a result (gasp ). So we no we shouldn't ignore but we should still be open to alternatives even in these fields. "Agree. Not all the medicines are good to all people. And there are places in the world where they never tried the modern medical technology and they still live healthy lives and that should be accepted too. Thinking the same as everybody else isn't the right option. And people need to stop ashaming and labeling others for thinking different. | |||
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"Going to be unpopular here I fear, but I hate the learn by your own experience and form your own opinion' mantra when applied to medicine (and other sciences) It just leads to people making awful healthcare choices because it hapoens to fit their worldview (or line the pockets of a nutritionist/crystal healer/homeopath/other woo merchant). I appreciate rhe appication to some growth and personal development, but too many sell it as a life philosophy and that is genuinely dangerous. As a race we are capable of extraordinary science, amazing tests and statistics. Why restrict ourselves by ignoring this? They are complimentary therapies which can be used alongside modern medicine. Why restrict ourselves by ignoring them? It's an individual's choice. " We do have choice, though usually the better option is for education, so that we then take informed decisions. Complementary approaches to medical treatment for health problems, can be subject to the same scientific process that regular treatments are. This is especially valid, where treatments are paid for. Thankfully, the lack of robust evidence of any significant effects for many of these treatments, can help to support people taking good informed decisions that they perceive to be right for them | |||
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"Going to be unpopular here I fear, but I hate the learn by your own experience and form your own opinion' mantra when applied to medicine (and other sciences) It just leads to people making awful healthcare choices because it hapoens to fit their worldview (or line the pockets of a nutritionist/crystal healer/homeopath/other woo merchant). I appreciate rhe appication to some growth and personal development, but too many sell it as a life philosophy and that is genuinely dangerous. As a race we are capable of extraordinary science, amazing tests and statistics. Why restrict ourselves by ignoring this? This goes against the OP but I'll have to disagree with a few assumptions here. There is some very good alternative medicines, some of which the western medical world doesn't want to accept, some for political reasons, some financial and some because it would challenge their own thinking. They can be complimentary. Second thing about science is that it is built upon knowledge and understanding and it even changes as a result (gasp ). So we no we shouldn't ignore but we should still be open to alternatives even in these fields. "Which complimentary treatments do you have in mind? Science changes because that that is how science works, theory, test, modify(or not) theory expanded test etc. There is a book which has most of the common therapies tested as if they were scientific theories, might be by Simon Singh, all peer reviewed & meta analysis. Nothing does much better than placebo if at all. | |||
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"Going to be unpopular here I fear, but I hate the learn by your own experience and form your own opinion' mantra when applied to medicine (and other sciences) It just leads to people making awful healthcare choices because it hapoens to fit their worldview (or line the pockets of a nutritionist/crystal healer/homeopath/other woo merchant). I appreciate rhe appication to some growth and personal development, but too many sell it as a life philosophy and that is genuinely dangerous. As a race we are capable of extraordinary science, amazing tests and statistics. Why restrict ourselves by ignoring this? This goes against the OP but I'll have to disagree with a few assumptions here. There is some very good alternative medicines, some of which the western medical world doesn't want to accept, some for political reasons, some financial and some because it would challenge their own thinking. They can be complimentary. Second thing about science is that it is built upon knowledge and understanding and it even changes as a result (gasp ). So we no we shouldn't ignore but we should still be open to alternatives even in these fields. "Agreed. Again, it all boils down to people with closed minds and not wanting to acknowledge others may have their own views. | |||
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"Going to be unpopular here I fear, but I hate the learn by your own experience and form your own opinion' mantra when applied to medicine (and other sciences) It just leads to people making awful healthcare choices because it hapoens to fit their worldview (or line the pockets of a nutritionist/crystal healer/homeopath/other woo merchant). I appreciate rhe appication to some growth and personal development, but too many sell it as a life philosophy and that is genuinely dangerous. As a race we are capable of extraordinary science, amazing tests and statistics. Why restrict ourselves by ignoring this? They are complimentary therapies which can be used alongside modern medicine. Why restrict ourselves by ignoring them? It's an individual's choice. . Again down to research & not abandoning medical interventions, most complimentary therapies perform little better than placebos, if at all." And if it makes people feel better and gives them a sense of well being then there's no harm done is there? | |||
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"Going to be unpopular here I fear, but I hate the learn by your own experience and form your own opinion' mantra when applied to medicine (and other sciences) It just leads to people making awful healthcare choices because it hapoens to fit their worldview (or line the pockets of a nutritionist/crystal healer/homeopath/other woo merchant). I appreciate rhe appication to some growth and personal development, but too many sell it as a life philosophy and that is genuinely dangerous. As a race we are capable of extraordinary science, amazing tests and statistics. Why restrict ourselves by ignoring this? This goes against the OP but I'll have to disagree with a few assumptions here. There is some very good alternative medicines, some of which the western medical world doesn't want to accept, some for political reasons, some financial and some because it would challenge their own thinking. They can be complimentary. Second thing about science is that it is built upon knowledge and understanding and it even changes as a result (gasp ). So we no we shouldn't ignore but we should still be open to alternatives even in these fields.
Agree. Not all the medicines are good to all people. And there are places in the world where they never tried the modern medical technology and they still live healthy lives and that should be accepted too.
Thinking the same as everybody else isn't the right option. And people need to stop ashaming and labeling others for thinking different.
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"Going to be unpopular here I fear, but I hate the learn by your own experience and form your own opinion' mantra when applied to medicine (and other sciences) It just leads to people making awful healthcare choices because it hapoens to fit their worldview (or line the pockets of a nutritionist/crystal healer/homeopath/other woo merchant). I appreciate rhe appication to some growth and personal development, but too many sell it as a life philosophy and that is genuinely dangerous. As a race we are capable of extraordinary science, amazing tests and statistics. Why restrict ourselves by ignoring this? This goes against the OP but I'll have to disagree with a few assumptions here. There is some very good alternative medicines, some of which the western medical world doesn't want to accept, some for political reasons, some financial and some because it would challenge their own thinking. They can be complimentary. Second thing about science is that it is built upon knowledge and understanding and it even changes as a result (gasp ). So we no we shouldn't ignore but we should still be open to alternatives even in these fields.
Agree. Not all the medicines are good to all people. And there are places in the world where they never tried the modern medical technology and they still live healthy lives and that should be accepted too.
Thinking the same as everybody else isn't the right option. And people need to stop ashaming and labeling others for thinking different.
"Please name these places with healthy populations without modern medicine because I am moving there tomorrow. I'd be interested to know how one can prove anything to be effective without applying scientific method | |||
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"Going to be unpopular here I fear, but I hate the learn by your own experience and form your own opinion' mantra when applied to medicine (and other sciences) It just leads to people making awful healthcare choices because it hapoens to fit their worldview (or line the pockets of a nutritionist/crystal healer/homeopath/other woo merchant). I appreciate rhe appication to some growth and personal development, but too many sell it as a life philosophy and that is genuinely dangerous. As a race we are capable of extraordinary science, amazing tests and statistics. Why restrict ourselves by ignoring this? They are complimentary therapies which can be used alongside modern medicine. Why restrict ourselves by ignoring them? It's an individual's choice. . Again down to research & not abandoning medical interventions, most complimentary therapies perform little better than placebos, if at all. And if it makes people feel better and gives them a sense of well being then there's no harm done is there? " Not as such, a certain amount of medicine relies on the placebo effect. The harm comes when the charlatans come in & exploit people & perhaps persuade them to stop ‘conventional ‘ treatment and of fleece them for worthless & valueless treatments, relying on these people’s belief...powerful though placebo is, it cannot cure all. | |||
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"I have to say, it's all too easy to throw that slur about these days. I understand some of the theories are bizzare and comical but, if people instantly shout "conspiracy" at anything that goes against an 'official' statement we'll end up doing a brilliant job of suppressing free thinking and actually challenging the story we've been told. None of us really get information directly from the source of truth, we only hope it is as it's passed on through various media sources and We've all seen how people in power have lied and manipulated us many times before. Maybe we should all just respectfully tolerate an alternative viewpoint now and again rather than attacking it. Just saying. No will not tolerate such idiots simple Question everything.
Question everything, but once you have been to school and been taught, Chemistry, Biology, Physics, Maths, etc, take those learnings andbuildon them. Don’t junk the years you were taught the answers and how to differentiate complete bollox from fact, or a different way of looking at things. QAnon is total Bollox, David Ike sprouts totall Bollox and pretty much everything the anti-vaxxers come out with is total bollox.
I am happy to accept questioning things, but too many ‘learn’ from social media - that got us Trump " | |||
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"Going to be unpopular here I fear, but I hate the learn by your own experience and form your own opinion' mantra when applied to medicine (and other sciences) It just leads to people making awful healthcare choices because it hapoens to fit their worldview (or line the pockets of a nutritionist/crystal healer/homeopath/other woo merchant). I appreciate rhe appication to some growth and personal development, but too many sell it as a life philosophy and that is genuinely dangerous. As a race we are capable of extraordinary science, amazing tests and statistics. Why restrict ourselves by ignoring this? This goes against the OP but I'll have to disagree with a few assumptions here. There is some very good alternative medicines, some of which the western medical world doesn't want to accept, some for political reasons, some financial and some because it would challenge their own thinking. They can be complimentary. Second thing about science is that it is built upon knowledge and understanding and it even changes as a result (gasp ). So we no we shouldn't ignore but we should still be open to alternatives even in these fields.
Agree. Not all the medicines are good to all people. And there are places in the world where they never tried the modern medical technology and they still live healthy lives and that should be accepted too.
Thinking the same as everybody else isn't the right option. And people need to stop ashaming and labeling others for thinking different.
"That’s not quite true is it. Those you refer to who have never tried modern medicines live healthy lives, until the get sick and die... show us a remote tribe with a average life expectancy above 60 let alone on par with yours and mine. Shows us one of these groups where childhood mortality is less than 10%! | |||
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