FabSwingers.com forum: Should we give up some of our stock of vaccine to help our European friends.

By *izzabelle and well hung OP Couple
over a year ago

Edinburgh.

We are at 10% vaccinated and our European friends are at 2%. If we stopped vaccinations here for 2-3 months we could give them our stocks and help the Eu countries catch up. Perhaps they might let us rejoin.

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/world/2021/jan/22/foreign-nhs-workers-risk-being-denied-covid-vaccine-england

Maybe not

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

Uh oh this is going to be controversial

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By *tooveMan
over a year ago

belfast

Nah. Let them get their own.

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By *ewcouplemidsCouple
over a year ago

walsall

Nope

Should concentrate on vaccinating UK so we can go back to some normality

UK has already sent some abroad so why send more

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By *luttyLaylaWoman
over a year ago

North West

We’re restricting certain areas supplies (North West) and currently diverting elsewhere in the country to let them catch up.

One of the local MP’s said it was “punishing” the north west who had worked so hard.

Does that mean no where else is working hard?

Should north west supplies be stopped because others can’t keep up!

Surely it’s a national/ world wide situation rather than punishment for those ahead of schedule!

Difficult decisions I guess

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By *aughtynigel02121980Man
over a year ago

Brandon

We need to get ourselves sorted first. So in a nutshell no

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By *estivalMan
over a year ago

borehamwood

When we have finished in this country i have no prob helping others out.until we have jabned everyone eligible no not a chance

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By *uietlykinkymeWoman
over a year ago

kinky land

To the E.U no.

To poorer countries maybe.

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By *revaunanceCouple
over a year ago

Exeter

One thing our Govt has got right has been to sign contracts in advance, so that we would be first in the queue when any vacinne was found.

If it had been left to the last minute and we were tring to order vaccines now, would anyone help us?

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By *ate_BMan
over a year ago

London

No No No

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/world/2021/jan/22/foreign-nhs-workers-risk-being-denied-covid-vaccine-england

Maybe not"

That's some bad shit that needs sorting quickly

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By *izzabelle and well hung OP Couple
over a year ago

Edinburgh.

"When we have finished in this country i have no prob helping others out.until we have jabned everyone eligible no not a chance"

Ah I don’t think it meets Eu standards. They might just stop it at the border and pour it down the drain.

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By *udistcpl1Couple
over a year ago

Wirral

Well the flexibility or lack of it shown by the EU for many years (well before Brexit) - erm - we should act the way they have acted i.e., NO.

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By *hrista BellendWoman
over a year ago

surrounded by twinkly lights

Pfizer have agreed a vaccine supply to Covax (WHO) they ensure a global fairness in distribution of the vaccines. All countries should have ordered their stocks through them, but they went direct to the supplier to snatch as much as they could instead

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By *izzabelle and well hung OP Couple
over a year ago

Edinburgh.

"https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/world/2021/jan/22/foreign-nhs-workers-risk-being-denied-covid-vaccine-england

Maybe not

That's some bad shit that needs sorting quickly"

Yeah if people from other countries are willing to risk their lives to help our most vulnerable then they need to be at the front of the line for the jab.

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By *orthern StarsCouple
over a year ago

Durham

Definetley not.

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By *uietlykinkymeWoman
over a year ago

kinky land

"When we have finished in this country i have no prob helping others out.until we have jabned everyone eligible no not a chance

Ah I don’t think it meets Eu standards. They might just stop it at the border and pour it down the drain. "

Like the British did when the HGV coming from the factory in Europe, had its door opened by refugees trying to get into Britain, so the whole lot was tossed.

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/world/2021/jan/22/foreign-nhs-workers-risk-being-denied-covid-vaccine-england

Maybe not

That's some bad shit that needs sorting quickly"

Makes you proud doesnt it?

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"One thing our Govt has got right has been to sign contracts in advance, so that we would be first in the queue when any vacinne was found.

If it had been left to the last minute and we were tring to order vaccines now, would anyone help us?"

What like when Germany gave us ventilators?

Or the eu asked if we wanted to join their ventilation scheme?

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By *endulum 20Couple
over a year ago

sandy

what about when macron ordered border forces to stop lorries with ppe coming to the uk ?

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

"We’re restricting certain areas supplies (North West) and currently diverting elsewhere in the country to let them catch up.

One of the local MP’s said it was “punishing” the north west who had worked so hard.

Does that mean no where else is working hard?

Should north west supplies be stopped because others can’t keep up!

Surely it’s a national/ world wide situation rather than punishment for those ahead of schedule!

Difficult decisions I guess

Wasn't it 100,000 doses sent somewhere?

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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago

near ipswich

"Pfizer have agreed a vaccine supply to Covax (WHO) they ensure a global fairness in distribution of the vaccines. All countries should have ordered their stocks through them, but they went direct to the supplier to snatch as much as they could instead"
covax is still well short of the funds it needs but nice to see that little uk gave them more money than that mighty powerhouse the eu.

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By *luttyLaylaWoman
over a year ago

North West

"We’re restricting certain areas supplies (North West) and currently diverting elsewhere in the country to let them catch up.

One of the local MP’s said it was “punishing” the north west who had worked so hard.

Does that mean no where else is working hard?

Should north west supplies be stopped because others can’t keep up!

Surely it’s a national/ world wide situation rather than punishment for those ahead of schedule!

Difficult decisions I guess

Wasn't it 100,000 doses sent somewhere?"

Not sure on numbers sorry!... just heard Tim Farron on the radio earlier saying the North west was being punished because it was ahead of schedule!

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"what about when macron ordered border forces to stop lorries with ppe coming to the uk ?"

When was this exactly?

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By *heBirminghamWeekendMan
over a year ago

here

Thankfully, doesn't suggest this is policy, more of a quirk of the system /process.

“We’ve decided that’s wrong,” said the source. “We’re vaccinating them anyway, then we’re asking them to register afterwards and we’ll put them on the system retrospectively.”

Proactive solution, until a more robust fix is provided

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By *endulum 20Couple
over a year ago

sandy

"what about when macron ordered border forces to stop lorries with ppe coming to the uk ?

When was this exactly?"

early on in the pandemic it was in the news cant give an exact date im afraid

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

"We’re restricting certain areas supplies (North West) and currently diverting elsewhere in the country to let them catch up.

One of the local MP’s said it was “punishing” the north west who had worked so hard.

Does that mean no where else is working hard?

Should north west supplies be stopped because others can’t keep up!

Surely it’s a national/ world wide situation rather than punishment for those ahead of schedule!

Difficult decisions I guess

Wasn't it 100,000 doses sent somewhere?

Not sure on numbers sorry!... just heard Tim Farron on the radio earlier saying the North west was being punished because it was ahead of schedule!

xx"

That's ok..

It was on BBC Lancashire so the boss tells me ..

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By *obka3Couple
over a year ago

bournemouth

"what about when macron ordered border forces to stop lorries with ppe coming to the uk ?

When was this exactly?"

February march last year.

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"what about when macron ordered border forces to stop lorries with ppe coming to the uk ?

When was this exactly?

February march last year. "

Link?

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By *luttyLaylaWoman
over a year ago

North West

"We’re restricting certain areas supplies (North West) and currently diverting elsewhere in the country to let them catch up.

One of the local MP’s said it was “punishing” the north west who had worked so hard.

Does that mean no where else is working hard?

Should north west supplies be stopped because others can’t keep up!

Surely it’s a national/ world wide situation rather than punishment for those ahead of schedule!

Difficult decisions I guess

Wasn't it 100,000 doses sent somewhere?

Not sure on numbers sorry!... just heard Tim Farron on the radio earlier saying the North west was being punished because it was ahead of schedule!

That's ok..

It was on BBC Lancashire so the boss tells me .."

Haha possibly so! Radio Cumbria in the car when the weathers not great!

Whilst disappointing, I didn’t see it as “punishment” though x

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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago

near ipswich

"We’re restricting certain areas supplies (North West) and currently diverting elsewhere in the country to let them catch up.

One of the local MP’s said it was “punishing” the north west who had worked so hard.

Does that mean no where else is working hard?

Should north west supplies be stopped because others can’t keep up!

Surely it’s a national/ world wide situation rather than punishment for those ahead of schedule!

Difficult decisions I guess

Wasn't it 100,000 doses sent somewhere?

Not sure on numbers sorry!... just heard Tim Farron on the radio earlier saying the North west was being punished because it was ahead of schedule!

xx"
I dont think punished is the right word they have set out a priority list and if the northwest started vaccinating 60 y/o for eg when other areas hadn't even vaccinated all the 80 y/o or nursing homes there would be an outrage .There is only so much vaccine at the moment so i guess they have to stick to the plan.

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"what about when macron ordered border forces to stop lorries with ppe coming to the uk ?

When was this exactly?

February march last year. "

It's ok I found it.

It was reported in the sun and the mail.

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By *wisted999Man
over a year ago

North Bucks

Nothing stopping us working collaboratively together to sort the issue.

They are ramping up production so this will only be a short term issue anyway.

Sadly they dragged their heels a little on the vaccination front and they have come in for a fair bit of criticism so need to seemingly act tough.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"what about when macron ordered border forces to stop lorries with ppe coming to the uk ?

When was this exactly?

February march last year.

Link?"

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8083527/amp/Germany-France-condemned-EU-members-blocking-export-medical-supplies.html

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.thesun.co.uk/news/11221578/french-snatch-lorries-130000-coronavirus-masks/amp/

Took all of 20 seconds. I don't know the details though

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By *ate_BMan
over a year ago

London

There's plenty of criticism within the EU about this so the UK doesn't have to say anything in response. A contract was signed to have a number of doses delivered. This has only come about because the critics within the EU are bringing bureaucracy into it.

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By *wisted999Man
over a year ago

North Bucks

"what about when macron ordered border forces to stop lorries with ppe coming to the uk ?

When was this exactly?

February march last year.

It's ok I found it.

It was reported in the sun and the mail."

In your mind did it not happen then?

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By *luttyLaylaWoman
over a year ago

North West

"We’re restricting certain areas supplies (North West) and currently diverting elsewhere in the country to let them catch up.

One of the local MP’s said it was “punishing” the north west who had worked so hard.

Does that mean no where else is working hard?

Should north west supplies be stopped because others can’t keep up!

Surely it’s a national/ world wide situation rather than punishment for those ahead of schedule!

Difficult decisions I guess

Wasn't it 100,000 doses sent somewhere?

Not sure on numbers sorry!... just heard Tim Farron on the radio earlier saying the North west was being punished because it was ahead of schedule!

xxI dont think punished is the right word they have set out a priority list and if the northwest started vaccinating 60 y/o for eg when other areas hadn't even vaccinated all the 80 y/o or nursing homes there would be an outrage .There is only so much vaccine at the moment so i guess they have to stick to the plan."

Yeah definitely that’s my opinion too!

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"what about when macron ordered border forces to stop lorries with ppe coming to the uk ?

When was this exactly?

February march last year.

It's ok I found it.

It was reported in the sun and the mail.

In your mind did it not happen then? "

No.

If the sun said it did I'm convinced.

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

Was it in the sport aswell.?

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By *izzy99Couple
over a year ago

TAMWORTH

Not a chance. Let them sort themselves out

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By *izzy99Couple
over a year ago

TAMWORTH

Not a chance. Let them sort themselves out

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By *obka3Couple
over a year ago

bournemouth

"what about when macron ordered border forces to stop lorries with ppe coming to the uk ?

When was this exactly?

February march last year.

Link?"

Look it up, we were in France and it was all over the news, several EU countries did it, stopped all exports of ppe to any country

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"what about when macron ordered border forces to stop lorries with ppe coming to the uk ?

When was this exactly?

February march last year.

Link?

Look it up, we were in France and it was all over the news, several EU countries did it, stopped all exports of ppe to any country"

I found them

The sun and the mail.

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By *roxMan
over a year ago

Birtley

When you get on a plane they tell you to put your own oxygen mask on before you help others ,

So we all get vaccinated, ground breaking scientists , genome experts and all , then were in a place to help Europe

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By *wisted999Man
over a year ago

North Bucks

"what about when macron ordered border forces to stop lorries with ppe coming to the uk ?

When was this exactly?

February march last year.

Link?

Look it up, we were in France and it was all over the news, several EU countries did it, stopped all exports of ppe to any country"

You won’t get through it’s like a cult

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"what about when macron ordered border forces to stop lorries with ppe coming to the uk ?

When was this exactly?

February march last year.

Link?

Look it up, we were in France and it was all over the news, several EU countries did it, stopped all exports of ppe to any country

You won’t get through it’s like a cult

Lols

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"what about when macron ordered border forces to stop lorries with ppe coming to the uk ?

When was this exactly?

February march last year.

Link?

Look it up, we were in France and it was all over the news, several EU countries did it, stopped all exports of ppe to any country"

He will argue every single newspaper is so far right he doesn't believe any of them. Unless of course it's the Guardian

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By *wisted999Man
over a year ago

North Bucks

"what about when macron ordered border forces to stop lorries with ppe coming to the uk ?

When was this exactly?

February march last year.

Link?

Look it up, we were in France and it was all over the news, several EU countries did it, stopped all exports of ppe to any country

You won’t get through it’s like a cult

Lols"

Oh mate you are not using “lols”

Funny though as deep down no matter what side we see ourselves on it’s nearly always the same behaviours.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

"We’re restricting certain areas supplies (North West) and currently diverting elsewhere in the country to let them catch up.

One of the local MP’s said it was “punishing” the north west who had worked so hard.

Does that mean no where else is working hard?

Should north west supplies be stopped because others can’t keep up!

Surely it’s a national/ world wide situation rather than punishment for those ahead of schedule!

Difficult decisions I guess

Wasn't it 100,000 doses sent somewhere?

Not sure on numbers sorry!... just heard Tim Farron on the radio earlier saying the North west was being punished because it was ahead of schedule!

That's ok..

It was on BBC Lancashire so the boss tells me ..

Haha possibly so! Radio Cumbria in the car when the weathers not great!

Whilst disappointing, I didn’t see it as “punishment” though x"

No, just a case of moving stuff to where it's needed..

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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago

near ipswich

"We are at 10% vaccinated and our European friends are at 2%. If we stopped vaccinations here for 2-3 months we could give them our stocks and help the Eu countries catch up. Perhaps they might let us rejoin.

"
I think they have enough resources to sort themselves out eventually, we should concentrate on the poorer commonwealth countries first.

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

I always get my political analysis from page 3.

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By *obka3Couple
over a year ago

bournemouth

"what about when macron ordered border forces to stop lorries with ppe coming to the uk ?

When was this exactly?

February march last year.

Link?

Look it up, we were in France and it was all over the news, several EU countries did it, stopped all exports of ppe to any country

I found them

The sun and the mail."

Usual bull from you then ,I looked, the mail was the second in the list, the NY times first, Reuters, the irish times and many others but doesnt suit your agenda.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

i cant understand that we are amongst the top medical scientist in the world yet we cant manufacture it here ? think that needs to change in the future.

did the eu mess up or has the vaccine company messed up ???

i like to see some plans being drawn up for the 3rd world countries being drawn up too where we have no clue whats really going on apart from south Africa ive not heard anything about the others?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/world/2021/jan/22/foreign-nhs-workers-risk-being-denied-covid-vaccine-england

Maybe not

That's some bad shit that needs sorting quickly

Makes you proud doesnt it?"

It makes you just dispair

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I always get my political analysis from page 3."

Well, you do support a bunch of tits

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By * and M lookingCouple
over a year ago

Worcester

2%, when according to their medical representative yesterday, the EU have yet to approve it for use

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By *ssexbloke72Man
over a year ago

Poplar

"what about when macron ordered border forces to stop lorries with ppe coming to the uk ?

When was this exactly?

February march last year.

Link?

Look it up, we were in France and it was all over the news, several EU countries did it, stopped all exports of ppe to any country

I found them

The sun and the mail.

Usual bull from you then ,I looked, the mail was the second in the list, the NY times first, Reuters, the irish times and many others but doesnt suit your agenda."

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.euroweeklynews.com/2020/03/21/french-police-in-bid-to-confiscate-130000-face-masks-bound-for-uk-nhs-doctors-and-nurses-battling-the-coronavirus/

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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago

near ipswich

"i cant understand that we are amongst the top medical scientist in the world yet we cant manufacture it here ? think that needs to change in the future.

did the eu mess up or has the vaccine company messed up ???

i like to see some plans being drawn up for the 3rd world countries being drawn up too where we have no clue whats really going on apart from south Africa ive not heard anything about the others? "
We do there is a plant in Wrexham that produces it.

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By *obka3Couple
over a year ago

bournemouth

"i cant understand that we are amongst the top medical scientist in the world yet we cant manufacture it here ? think that needs to change in the future.

did the eu mess up or has the vaccine company messed up ???

i like to see some plans being drawn up for the 3rd world countries being drawn up too where we have no clue whats really going on apart from south Africa ive not heard anything about the others? "

We are manufacturing it here too.

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By *heBirminghamWeekendMan
over a year ago

here

"I always get my political analysis from page 3.

Well, you do support a bunch of tits

...ba dum chhh

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"what about when macron ordered border forces to stop lorries with ppe coming to the uk ?

When was this exactly?

February march last year.

Link?

Look it up, we were in France and it was all over the news, several EU countries did it, stopped all exports of ppe to any country

I found them

The sun and the mail.

Usual bull from you then ,I looked, the mail was the second in the list, the NY times first, Reuters, the irish times and many others but doesnt suit your agenda.

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.euroweeklynews.com/2020/03/21/french-police-in-bid-to-confiscate-130000-face-masks-bound-for-uk-nhs-doctors-and-nurses-battling-the-coronavirus/

Impeccable

And they even interviewed ids

Oh and the sun was 2nd on the list

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By *ucka39Man
over a year ago

Newcastle

Don't know if I heard right or wrong but wasn't 300 million pounds paid for a pre order for the vaccine yet they haven't received anything unclear who it was

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"i cant understand that we are amongst the top medical scientist in the world yet we cant manufacture it here ? think that needs to change in the future.

did the eu mess up or has the vaccine company messed up ???

i like to see some plans being drawn up for the 3rd world countries being drawn up too where we have no clue whats really going on apart from south Africa ive not heard anything about the others? We do there is a plant in Wrexham that produces it. "

ah right i did not know that everything on the news keeps saying belgium

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"what about when macron ordered border forces to stop lorries with ppe coming to the uk ?

When was this exactly?

February march last year.

Link?

Look it up, we were in France and it was all over the news, several EU countries did it, stopped all exports of ppe to any country

I found them

The sun and the mail.

Usual bull from you then ,I looked, the mail was the second in the list, the NY times first, Reuters, the irish times and many others but doesnt suit your agenda.

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.euroweeklynews.com/2020/03/21/french-police-in-bid-to-confiscate-130000-face-masks-bound-for-uk-nhs-doctors-and-nurses-battling-the-coronavirus/

Impeccable

And they even interviewed ids

Oh and the sun was 2nd on the list "

I genuinely think you may be happier in France mate

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By *wisted999Man
over a year ago

North Bucks

"I always get my political analysis from page 3.

Well, you do support a bunch of tits

Please don’t mention the C word.

Let’s have a C word free thread you know it upsets people.

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By *ssexbloke72Man
over a year ago

Poplar

"i cant understand that we are amongst the top medical scientist in the world yet we cant manufacture it here ? think that needs to change in the future.

did the eu mess up or has the vaccine company messed up ???

i like to see some plans being drawn up for the 3rd world countries being drawn up too where we have no clue whats really going on apart from south Africa ive not heard anything about the others? We do there is a plant in Wrexham that produces it. "

There are two sites in the UK that is producing the vaccine. The site in Wrexham is where the vaccine is bottled.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

all newspapers are toilet paper left middle or right plain garbage

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I always get my political analysis from page 3.

Well, you do support a bunch of tits

Please don’t mention the C word.

Let’s have a C word free thread you know it upsets people. "

Cor Blimey

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By *orny PTMan
over a year ago

Peterborough

No: as the people who've had their first jab (slightly biased here) may loose the effectiveness, if the 2nd jab is delayed or cancelled. That would be a step backwards.

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By *heBirminghamWeekendMan
over a year ago

here

"I always get my political analysis from page 3.

Well, you do support a bunch of tits

Please don’t mention the C word.

Let’s have a C word free thread you know it upsets people.

Cor Blimey

... bad day at the office as well

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

I believe the beano has a particularly insightful editorial this week.

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By *lirtymr_mrsCouple
over a year ago

Stockton-on-Tees

Won't make any difference because EU haven't approved it's use yet. The vaccine should be sent where it can be used, not stockpiled for an unknown period of time.

Fortunately drug manufacturers are applying more common sense than politicians. They will never get distribution policy perfect but at least they tried their hardest to make as much as possible in advance of approvals and then keep it flowing into people's arms rather than warehouses. People will die whatever decision is taken, but more people die if drugs stay in warehouses long than strictly necessary.

I can understand why the EU is upset, but drug companies aren't limiting supply out of spite of in favour of another buyer, it's just that their factory is going slower than expected.

What is wrong is government's turning to their saviour and biting the outstretched hand of help. They now need to hope that drug company execs show more respect and compassion than they are receiving.

It is rapidly turning into that bit on the Titanic (film) when everyone starts fighting for life vests and boat space rather than politely standing in line.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Nope

Should concentrate on vaccinating UK so we can go back to some normality

UK has already sent some abroad so why send more "

^^^^^^^ Defo time for the UK to look after itself. Ye are way ahead vaccinating and well done. The EU made a blunder ordering vaccines...they were supposed to order 500,000 & only ordered 300,000

So no why should the UK send vaccines to Europe from their own supply

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By *ate_BMan
over a year ago

London

The EU were too slow in approving the vaccine. Though they now see it as effective, they should've prepared themselves better. There was too much debating rather than testing it seems.

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By *amish SMan
over a year ago

Eastleigh

Another daft idea from the EU idiots, did they ask Israel to give up some of theirs because they were doing well, no, I didn't think so.

The amount we could contribute would not even touch the sides of the EU population, which just proves it's sour grapes from the EU unelected dimwits.

The fact France has now also been exposed for having its own back door deal due to Sanofi's failure, says a lot for united EU organising its vaccine policy as one.

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By *amillMan
over a year ago

Warrington

The row is with AstraZeneca over their vaccine which they haven’t even approved for use in the EU. Why should AZ restrict UK supplies to give to the EU when they’re not even authorised to use it yet, there’s no point the EU sitting on a stockpile when we can carry on making use of it.

They’ve cocked up their own vaccine problem now they’re throwing their toys out of the pram. Pfizer is having a delay while they upgrade their plant, which isn’t helping but not our fault they’re behind us on their vaccine programme.

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

Nice to see that reputation we have of humility,kindness and respect is fully justified.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Do you know what it makes absolute sense regardless of political beliefs, to make sure that as many people around the world particularly Europe as they are our closest neighbour are vaccinated.

It is in our best interest as much as theirs.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Putting aside completely any idea of tensions between the EU and UK I'd still say no as it makes no sense to weaken any defenses already being built. If you stop what's been partial started then in this scenario any protection already done will soon be lost and wasted. The country receiving our said share will also after a short space of time loose any benefit as supplies are no where near at the volumes implied.

Better to make a few which in most cases are those most suceptable properly protected, than dilute the protection and it becomes ineffective to all.

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By *pursChick aka ShortieWoman
over a year ago

On a mooch

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By *pursChick aka ShortieWoman
over a year ago

On a mooch

"We’re restricting certain areas supplies (North West) and currently diverting elsewhere in the country to let them catch up.

One of the local MP’s said it was “punishing” the north west who had worked so hard.

Does that mean no where else is working hard?

Should north west supplies be stopped because others can’t keep up!

Surely it’s a national/ world wide situation rather than punishment for those ahead of schedule!

Difficult decisions I guess

Catch up is needed in some areas, need to ensure each priority group is completed before moving on to the next, in my opinion

Breakdown by region, number of first and second doses administered

East Of England (1) 771,262 (2) 53,705

London (1) 690,726 (2) 56,311

Midlands (1) 1,166,017 (2) 67,453

NE & Yorkshire. (1). 999,991 (2) 71,833

North West (1). 864,191 (2) 63,898

South East (1). 983,816 (2) 76,803

South West (1). 709,392 (2) 53,709

Data was extracted from the National Immunisation Management Service via NHS Foundry on 27th January 2021.

As for the EU my understanding is they haven’t even approved it yet.

However, as we are members of COVAX it is part of that agreement that we ensure that each country that has signed up for it, receives their 20% needed to vaccinate the vulnerable in each country before supplies for other individuals are distributed. Fair scheme, it’s a global issue and shouldn’t just be the richest countries get it first

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"We’re restricting certain areas supplies (North West) and currently diverting elsewhere in the country to let them catch up.

One of the local MP’s said it was “punishing” the north west who had worked so hard.

Does that mean no where else is working hard?

Should north west supplies be stopped because others can’t keep up!

Surely it’s a national/ world wide situation rather than punishment for those ahead of schedule!

Difficult decisions I guess

Catch up is needed in some areas, need to ensure each priority group is completed before moving on to the next, in my opinion

Breakdown by region, number of first and second doses administered

East Of England (1) 771,262 (2) 53,705

London (1) 690,726 (2) 56,311

Midlands (1) 1,166,017 (2) 67,453

NE & Yorkshire. (1). 999,991 (2) 71,833

North West (1). 864,191 (2) 63,898

South East (1). 983,816 (2) 76,803

South West (1). 709,392 (2) 53,709

Data was extracted from the National Immunisation Management Service via NHS Foundry on 27th January 2021.

As for the EU my understanding is they haven’t even approved it yet.

Weremt they saying London was lagging behind last week

And wasmt there a concern that there was a low take up of the bame pop?

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By *amish SMan
over a year ago

Eastleigh

If Covax is run like the WHO, then no. Having watched 54 days last night I was surprised at the total disregard by the WHO to their own rules about novel coronavirus. Between them and the Chinese what a cock up. Why they waited to see how transmissable and deadly it was before action was surprising, they should have declared pandemic, then resolved how it spreads and kills. They could have walked back, instead of trying shut the stable door after the horse had bolted.

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By *pursChick aka ShortieWoman
over a year ago

On a mooch

"We’re restricting certain areas supplies (North West) and currently diverting elsewhere in the country to let them catch up.

One of the local MP’s said it was “punishing” the north west who had worked so hard.

Does that mean no where else is working hard?

Should north west supplies be stopped because others can’t keep up!

Surely it’s a national/ world wide situation rather than punishment for those ahead of schedule!

Difficult decisions I guess

Catch up is needed in some areas, need to ensure each priority group is completed before moving on to the next, in my opinion

Breakdown by region, number of first and second doses administered

East Of England (1) 771,262 (2) 53,705

London (1) 690,726 (2) 56,311

Midlands (1) 1,166,017 (2) 67,453

NE & Yorkshire. (1). 999,991 (2) 71,833

North West (1). 864,191 (2) 63,898

South East (1). 983,816 (2) 76,803

South West (1). 709,392 (2) 53,709

Data was extracted from the National Immunisation Management Service via NHS Foundry on 27th January 2021.

As for the EU my understanding is they haven’t even approved it yet.

Weremt they saying London was lagging behind last week

And wasmt there a concern that there was a low take up of the bame pop?"

London is lagging behind. However, it s our numbers low as our percentage of elderly population isn’t as high as other areas or is it just waiting for suppliers / resources to get the programme moving.

It is true in one London borough, as has been reported that over 50% people offered it have refused it. There is now a big campaign, backed by celebrities to try and persuade them to have the vaccine, dispel some of the myths they are using as reasons. Some areas have even produced a fact sheet for staff on how to deal with responses and gauge how they are likely to respond based on some questions they ask.

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"We’re restricting certain areas supplies (North West) and currently diverting elsewhere in the country to let them catch up.

One of the local MP’s said it was “punishing” the north west who had worked so hard.

Does that mean no where else is working hard?

Should north west supplies be stopped because others can’t keep up!

Surely it’s a national/ world wide situation rather than punishment for those ahead of schedule!

Difficult decisions I guess

Catch up is needed in some areas, need to ensure each priority group is completed before moving on to the next, in my opinion

Breakdown by region, number of first and second doses administered

East Of England (1) 771,262 (2) 53,705

London (1) 690,726 (2) 56,311

Midlands (1) 1,166,017 (2) 67,453

NE & Yorkshire. (1). 999,991 (2) 71,833

North West (1). 864,191 (2) 63,898

South East (1). 983,816 (2) 76,803

South West (1). 709,392 (2) 53,709

Data was extracted from the National Immunisation Management Service via NHS Foundry on 27th January 2021.

As for the EU my understanding is they haven’t even approved it yet.

Weremt they saying London was lagging behind last week

And wasmt there a concern that there was a low take up of the bame pop?

Yeah saw that bit about the celebrities.

You have to wonder where they are getting their information from.

Or maybe the gmnt need to get the messege out there,that's it's safe.

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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago

near ipswich

"We’re restricting certain areas supplies (North West) and currently diverting elsewhere in the country to let them catch up.

One of the local MP’s said it was “punishing” the north west who had worked so hard.

Does that mean no where else is working hard?

Should north west supplies be stopped because others can’t keep up!

Surely it’s a national/ world wide situation rather than punishment for those ahead of schedule!

Difficult decisions I guess

Catch up is needed in some areas, need to ensure each priority group is completed before moving on to the next, in my opinion

Breakdown by region, number of first and second doses administered

East Of England (1) 771,262 (2) 53,705

London (1) 690,726 (2) 56,311

Midlands (1) 1,166,017 (2) 67,453

NE & Yorkshire. (1). 999,991 (2) 71,833

North West (1). 864,191 (2) 63,898

South East (1). 983,816 (2) 76,803

South West (1). 709,392 (2) 53,709

Data was extracted from the National Immunisation Management Service via NHS Foundry on 27th January 2021.

As for the EU my understanding is they haven’t even approved it yet.

Weremt they saying London was lagging behind last week

And wasmt there a concern that there was a low take up of the bame pop?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"We’re restricting certain areas supplies (North West) and currently diverting elsewhere in the country to let them catch up.

One of the local MP’s said it was “punishing” the north west who had worked so hard.

Does that mean no where else is working hard?

Should north west supplies be stopped because others can’t keep up!

Surely it’s a national/ world wide situation rather than punishment for those ahead of schedule!

Difficult decisions I guess

Catch up is needed in some areas, need to ensure each priority group is completed before moving on to the next, in my opinion

Breakdown by region, number of first and second doses administered

East Of England (1) 771,262 (2) 53,705

London (1) 690,726 (2) 56,311

Midlands (1) 1,166,017 (2) 67,453

NE & Yorkshire. (1). 999,991 (2) 71,833

North West (1). 864,191 (2) 63,898

South East (1). 983,816 (2) 76,803

South West (1). 709,392 (2) 53,709

Data was extracted from the National Immunisation Management Service via NHS Foundry on 27th January 2021.

As for the EU my understanding is they haven’t even approved it yet.

Weremt they saying London was lagging behind last week

And wasmt there a concern that there was a low take up of the bame pop?

Yeah saw that bit about the celebrities.

You have to wonder where they are getting their information from.

Or maybe the gmnt need to get the messege out there,that's it's safe."

They are currently working with local community and faith leaders in areas of London with low take up to try to dispel any myths and reassure people.

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By *pursChick aka ShortieWoman
over a year ago

On a mooch

Weremt they saying London was lagging behind last week

And wasmt there a concern that there was a low take up of the bame pop?

Yeah saw that bit about the celebrities.

You have to wonder where they are getting their information from.

Or maybe the gmnt need to get the messege out there,that's it's safe."

They are getting their information from the same place the rest of the country are, friends, family, social media and alike.

A clear message to ALL to dispel some of the myths may work, I don’t think they’d go so far as to say it’s safe. However, it is likely better than not having it at all

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By *pursChick aka ShortieWoman
over a year ago

On a mooch

"We’re restricting certain areas supplies (North West) and currently diverting elsewhere in the country to let them catch up.

One of the local MP’s said it was “punishing” the north west who had worked so hard.

Does that mean no where else is working hard?

Should north west supplies be stopped because others can’t keep up!

Surely it’s a national/ world wide situation rather than punishment for those ahead of schedule!

Difficult decisions I guess

Catch up is needed in some areas, need to ensure each priority group is completed before moving on to the next, in my opinion

Breakdown by region, number of first and second doses administered

East Of England (1) 771,262 (2) 53,705

London (1) 690,726 (2) 56,311

Midlands (1) 1,166,017 (2) 67,453

NE & Yorkshire. (1). 999,991 (2) 71,833

North West (1). 864,191 (2) 63,898

South East (1). 983,816 (2) 76,803

South West (1). 709,392 (2) 53,709

Data was extracted from the National Immunisation Management Service via NHS Foundry on 27th January 2021.

As for the EU my understanding is they haven’t even approved it yet.

Weremt they saying London was lagging behind last week

And wasmt there a concern that there was a low take up of the bame pop?

It’s not just Muslims though it is all communities and races throughout London.

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By *luttyLaylaWoman
over a year ago

North West

"We’re restricting certain areas supplies (North West) and currently diverting elsewhere in the country to let them catch up.

One of the local MP’s said it was “punishing” the north west who had worked so hard.

Does that mean no where else is working hard?

Should north west supplies be stopped because others can’t keep up!

Surely it’s a national/ world wide situation rather than punishment for those ahead of schedule!

Difficult decisions I guess

Catch up is needed in some areas, need to ensure each priority group is completed before moving on to the next, in my opinion

Breakdown by region, number of first and second doses administered

East Of England (1) 771,262 (2) 53,705

London (1) 690,726 (2) 56,311

Midlands (1) 1,166,017 (2) 67,453

NE & Yorkshire. (1). 999,991 (2) 71,833

North West (1). 864,191 (2) 63,898

South East (1). 983,816 (2) 76,803

South West (1). 709,392 (2) 53,709

Data was extracted from the National Immunisation Management Service via NHS Foundry on 27th January 2021.

As for the EU my understanding is they haven’t even approved it yet.

Definitely

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By *ovethehankypanky2Couple
over a year ago

Warrington

The UK ordered a supply months ago and signed it off for use weeks ago, allowing AZ to set up a supply chain and produce a vaccine that is a biological product that takes time to create and ‘grow’. The EU only just signed a contract for a product that they have not even signed off yet. AZ are not a producer of vaccines so they have commissioned other manufacturers to make it, at cost, no profit unlike some other vaccines. The UK plants production are not affected as they started producing months ago, the two affected are in Europe and have supply problems as they are just starting to make the EU orders and AZ was clear in the contract which is standard in vaccine production that they would do their best but it is a process based on ‘growing’ vaccine.

We are not ‘anti’ EU but on this occasion they were too slow to get orders placed and the politicians are trying to blame that lack of urgency on manufacturers who they always knew could not guarantee anything

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

Weremt they saying London was lagging behind last week

And wasmt there a concern that there was a low take up of the bame pop?

Yeah saw that bit about the celebrities.

You have to wonder where they are getting their information from.

Or maybe the gmnt need to get the messege out there,that's it's safe.

They are getting their information from the same place the rest of the country are, friends, family, social media and alike.

A clear message to ALL to dispel some of the myths may work, I don’t think they’d go so far as to say it’s safe. However, it is likely better than not having it at all "

It cant do any harm doing that

Especially if the numbers refusing it are so high.

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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago

near ipswich

"We’re restricting certain areas supplies (North West) and currently diverting elsewhere in the country to let them catch up.

One of the local MP’s said it was “punishing” the north west who had worked so hard.

Does that mean no where else is working hard?

Should north west supplies be stopped because others can’t keep up!

Surely it’s a national/ world wide situation rather than punishment for those ahead of schedule!

Difficult decisions I guess

Catch up is needed in some areas, need to ensure each priority group is completed before moving on to the next, in my opinion

Breakdown by region, number of first and second doses administered

East Of England (1) 771,262 (2) 53,705

London (1) 690,726 (2) 56,311

Midlands (1) 1,166,017 (2) 67,453

NE & Yorkshire. (1). 999,991 (2) 71,833

North West (1). 864,191 (2) 63,898

South East (1). 983,816 (2) 76,803

South West (1). 709,392 (2) 53,709

Data was extracted from the National Immunisation Management Service via NHS Foundry on 27th January 2021.

As for the EU my understanding is they haven’t even approved it yet.

Weremt they saying London was lagging behind last week

And wasmt there a concern that there was a low take up of the bame pop?

It’s not just Muslims though it is all communities and races throughout London. "
yes i know infact there was a small survey in peterborough and if i remember correctly it was 62% black 42% pakistan and bangladesh and 22% indian who said they would not have it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Dont forget the eu have passed a ruling now that in future the vaccines made in the eu must go to the eu first.

With that sort of thinking why should people help them out.

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By *obka3Couple
over a year ago

bournemouth

"Nice to see that reputation we have of humility,kindness and respect is fully justified.

What just as they did with ppe, oops sorry you're the only person here that thinks that didnt happen. Carry on with the beano, leave the serious debates to the grown ups.

We don’t have to do it back just because someone did it to us

2 wrongs don’t make a right and all that

Charity begins at home and every jab given away could result in the death of one of your elderly relations.

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By *pursChick aka ShortieWoman
over a year ago

On a mooch

"Yes i saw on the news about the campaign and also a Muslim leader trying to convince muslims that its ok to have.

It’s not just Muslims though it is all communities and races throughout London.

yes i know infact there was a small survey in peterborough and if i remember correctly it was 62% black 42% pakistan and bangladesh and 22% indian who said they would not have it."

What about the other races, weren’t they asked or mentioned ?

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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago

near ipswich

"Yes i saw on the news about the campaign and also a Muslim leader trying to convince muslims that its ok to have.

It’s not just Muslims though it is all communities and races throughout London.

yes i know infact there was a small survey in peterborough and if i remember correctly it was 62% black 42% pakistan and bangladesh and 22% indian who said they would not have it.

What about the other races, weren’t they asked or mentioned ? "
No it was a piece on ethnic minorities and the vaccine.

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"Dont forget the eu have passed a ruling now that in future the vaccines made in the eu must go to the eu first.

With that sort of thinking why should people help them out."

Right

Presumably when we make something here it goes abroad 1st?

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By *rsbrooksandjohnCouple
over a year ago

Swansea

Back to original question should we share?

My answer no!

The eu formed a conglomerate to improve their buying and sourcing powers .

The Uk government did not join ( and were slated by labour and lib dems for not doing so)

The UK put its order in early for the vaccine ( again slated by the other parties) and the Uk approved them for use first.

The EU bureaucrats held off till the end of october/ november to put is so called power into signing their orders the and have only just passed the oaz vaccine

Sorry but too late.

So they have no right to ask for ours.

It is very sad to see them fall behind with their vaccinations as in an ideal world everyone should have it at the same time. But just goes to show the more bureaucracy to put in place the longer it takes to get things done.

For once the UK got it right

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

They should be working on the reason the European producers of the vaccine has production problems

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By *pursChick aka ShortieWoman
over a year ago

On a mooch

"Yes i saw on the news about the campaign and also a Muslim leader trying to convince muslims that its ok to have.

It’s not just Muslims though it is all communities and races throughout London.

yes i know infact there was a small survey in peterborough and if i remember correctly it was 62% black 42% pakistan and bangladesh and 22% indian who said they would not have it.

What about the other races, weren’t they asked or mentioned ? No it was a piece on ethnic minorities and the vaccine."

Shame they didn’t include the other ethnicities

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By *alifaxsuetvcdTV/TS
over a year ago

halifax

the reason why the EU is short of supply is that the UK put in a order in may this allowed for any supply problems to sorted in time. the EU have only just place a order and have not had the time to sorylt out supply problems. Germany Netherlands and a couple of other countries had a deal to buy the vaccine, but the EU told them, you can't do that, also the EU waited for a French company to do there vaccine to keep the French happy. ps the EU has only recently approved it's use.

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By *he MuffinmanMan
over a year ago

West Gloucestershire

"When we have finished in this country i have no prob helping others out.until we have jabned everyone eligible no not a chance"

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By *ichaelangelaCouple
over a year ago

notts

look at it this way.

IF the roles were reversed, would the EU members send it to us ???

there is your answer

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By *heBirminghamWeekendMan
over a year ago

here

I'm not sure any member states would be able to accept any intervention from the uk.

It was suggested that Ireland could benefit from surplus/available doses - given the situation where hospitals in NI have a very high percentage of staff vaccinated and yet only a few miles down the road in ROI only a very small percentage of staff have received the vaccine.

I believe Ireland raised the issue only to be told by the commission that this would not be permitted .

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"look at it this way.

IF the roles were reversed, would the EU members send it to us ???

there is your answer"

Absolutely and all the people are this thread saying we shouldn't help them would be shouting saying that I just trying to get their own back.

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By *itty9899Man
over a year ago

Craggy Island

No!

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By *igh wide and handsomeMan
over a year ago

Dagenham

Yes we should, as soon as they re open the gyms, then send it wherever you like.

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"look at it this way.

IF the roles were reversed, would the EU members send it to us ???

there is your answer"

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-politics-52081873

Just too easy

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By *wisted999Man
over a year ago

North Bucks

"look at it this way.

IF the roles were reversed, would the EU members send it to us ???

there is your answer

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-politics-52081873

Just too easy"

Is that related to vaccines? I’m guessing without even clicking it’s not.

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"look at it this way.

IF the roles were reversed, would the EU members send it to us ???

there is your answer

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-politics-52081873

Just too easy

Is that related to vaccines? I’m guessing without even clicking it’s not. "

The poster said the eu wouldnt help us

Obviously forgetting when they asked us to join tye ventilation scheme

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By *heBirminghamWeekendMan
over a year ago

here

"look at it this way.

IF the roles were reversed, would the EU members send it to us ???

there is your answer

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-politics-52081873

Just too easy

Is that related to vaccines? I’m guessing without even clicking it’s not. "

It would be too easy to note that the uk opted not to join the eu ventilator and ppe procurement scheme in the same way the uk opted not to join the vaccine procurement scheme.

the ventilator or ppe scheme had a similar outcome to the issues currently being experienced with their vaccine scheme.

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"look at it this way.

IF the roles were reversed, would the EU members send it to us ???

there is your answer

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-politics-52081873

Just too easy

Is that related to vaccines? I’m guessing without even clicking it’s not.

It would be too easy to note that the uk opted not to join the eu ventilator and ppe procurement scheme in the same way the uk opted not to join the vaccine procurement scheme.

the ventilator or ppe scheme had a similar outcome to the issues currently being experienced with their vaccine scheme.

And that completely negates the offer

Obviously

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By *heBirminghamWeekendMan
over a year ago

here

"look at it this way.

IF the roles were reversed, would the EU members send it to us ???

there is your answer"

I think they probably would, but only after they had reached a level that covered their own minimum target.

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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago

upton wirral

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No it is bad enough they are cutting supplies to the North West so south can catch up discusting not our fault if south cannot manage things.

Same goes for the bloody EU not our problem.They keep trying to shit on us why should we help them lots of poor countries in Africa come way before those selfish nasty scumbags

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The UK ordered a supply months ago and signed it off for use weeks ago, allowing AZ to set up a supply chain and produce a vaccine that is a biological product that takes time to create and ‘grow’. The EU only just signed a contract for a product that they have not even signed off yet. AZ are not a producer of vaccines so they have commissioned other manufacturers to make it, at cost, no profit unlike some other vaccines. The UK plants production are not affected as they started producing months ago, the two affected are in Europe and have supply problems as they are just starting to make the EU orders and AZ was clear in the contract which is standard in vaccine production that they would do their best but it is a process based on ‘growing’ vaccine.

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By *ig daddy 1969Man
over a year ago

manchester

Let them wait until we have all been vaccinated twice.

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By *izzabelle and well hung OP Couple
over a year ago

Edinburgh.

"No

Let them wait until we have all been vaccinated twice."

Hey, there is a report that dogs and cats are vulnerable too. Are you and animal hater or something? Tabby and fido first.

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By *aria_dreamgirlTV/TS
over a year ago

stockport

We've left Europe and have the highest death rate from Covid so definitely no to giving up our vaccine.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Imagine if we were still waiting for Germany to procure our vaccines. What questions would you all now be asking?

One would have thought going on the views of the EU by a few here that they'd have sorted it all out.

Does anyone really think the EU would suddenly want our help for more of our vaccine bearing in mind that they are desperately trying to recover a major embarrassment. The French might have a few words to say about it if it were offered.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

As a vaccinator....

About time uk looked after number 1.

When no one in uk got covid, all vaccinated then share

Tbh.. this should be world health vaccine programme. So where ever you go u get offered...travellers in or out of uk we vaccinate and every country in world do same...then the spread would slow.

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By *hristeresa12Couple
over a year ago

Totnes

Definitely not, fuck 'em.

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By *oubleswing2019Man
over a year ago

Colchester

Yes, I would approve us helping the EU, and I'd widen the scope further beyond that too.

A worldwide pandemic is exactly what it says on the tin. Worldwide.

No one is protected until everyone is protected.

We are in the top 10 of the richest countries in the world.

1. US

2. China

3. Japan

4. Germany

5. UK

6. France

7. India

8. Italy

9. Canada

10. Spain

Here are the poorest countries in the world.

159 Comoros

159 Djibouti

159 Dominica

159 Gambia

159 Guinea-Bissau

159 Lesotho

159 St. Vincent and the Grenadines

159 Suriname

159 Vanuatu

171 Sao Tome and Principe

I believe we should lead the way and coerce other richer nations to ensure the poorest nations get looked after too.

Imagine the outcry if London said "These vaccines are for Londoners only. The rest of the UK can wait or go hang".

That's what countries sound like when they say "These vaccines are for our people, no one else".

If there are 10 tiers, with tier 1-4 being the most endangered, then focus on them worldwide first. Then you can mop up the rest.

I'm notionally tier 6. Happy to wait a few more years until it's my turn if someone out there is more needy than me and needs doing first.

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By *luttyLaylaWoman
over a year ago

North West

"Yes, I would approve us helping the EU, and I'd widen the scope further beyond that too.

A worldwide pandemic is exactly what it says on the tin. Worldwide.

No one is protected until everyone is protected.

We are in the top 10 of the richest countries in the world.

1. US

2. China

3. Japan

4. Germany

5. UK

6. France

7. India

8. Italy

9. Canada

10. Spain

Here are the poorest countries in the world.

159 Comoros

159 Djibouti

159 Dominica

159 Gambia

159 Guinea-Bissau

159 Lesotho

159 St. Vincent and the Grenadines

159 Suriname

159 Vanuatu

171 Sao Tome and Principe

I believe we should lead the way and coerce other richer nations to ensure the poorest nations get looked after too.

Imagine the outcry if London said "These vaccines are for Londoners only. The rest of the UK can wait or go hang".

That's what countries sound like when they say "These vaccines are for our people, no one else".

If there are 10 tiers, with tier 1-4 being the most endangered, then focus on them worldwide first. Then you can mop up the rest.

I'm notionally tier 6. Happy to wait a few more years until it's my turn if someone out there is more needy than me and needs doing first.

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By *udewhennudeMan
over a year ago

newport

Whilst I share some of your sentiments. There are other things to consider.

All countries made educated guesses on which vaccines to back.

We backed the Oxford vaccine amongst others, signed contacts early and made financial commitments.

The EU choose a french vaccine and the Oxford vaccine, but only really committed to the Oxford vaccine when the french vaccine was dumped.

The EU is therefore behind in its production, it can’t be produced over night.

If our supply is disrupted now, it could undo all the work done so far, particularly if you leave it a couple of years before vaccinating the whole population.

Production of the vaccine is being effectively licensed for production around the world at cost.

Plants have been or have been set up in the U.K., Eu, India and Argentina/ Mexico. Are the Eu asking those others to send them their vaccines.

We are one of the worst hit countries both in the death rate and the economy, we can justify the need more than most.

We are the 2nd largest donors to Covax.

I’m pro EU, but I think for once we have been proactive and we should benefit from that.

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

In the immediate term, no. In the longer term, potentially yes. It is an issue for the manufacturer to engage with. For us, it includes ethical responsibilities. We would not be comfortable or right, watching a neighbours house burn down and offering no help

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By *ynonvalleyboyMan
over a year ago

merthyr

Would they give it to us

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By *unCpl1234Couple
over a year ago

Odiham

Doesn't do us any good to vaccinate our entire population only to have a vaccine resistant strain pop up in France and cross the channel.

Hard to say what's right, though. I feel sure that collaboration is the fastest way through this though. Who knows, we have more vaccines now, but we may need help in the future ourselves.

How come there were hundreds of posts about PPE being blocked and only like two about the Germans donating ventilators to us? Why is it always the negative stuff that relentlessly gets the attention, both in the media and here?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Whilst I share some of your sentiments. There are other things to consider.