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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Papers today full of calls to get schools back....chair of education committee to raise it in parliament.

Look at the figures....from July to Sept figures were on the floor....at a time when lots of people (myself included) travelled everywhere...Cornwall was rammed! We went out to pubs/restaurants etc...but where social distancing was managed. Numbers continued to fall.

Come Sept....schools re-opened, the super spreaders were in "bubbles" of 200 or more and mixing the bubbles in groups on the way home to parents/grandparents/communities.

We all know what then happened to the figures a couple of weeks later....only starting to fall a few weeks after schools closed again....though more slowly as there now seem to be many more children of "essential" workers.

Yes, I understand the effect on 'mental health' etc. But is it really time to open schools fully before the majority of us have the vaccine?

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By *hrista BellendWoman
over a year ago

surrounded by twinkly lights

All parents that ask to be furloughed should have that approved and home schooling relaxed in the content of work first. we are not going down in cases as quick as we previously have in the other lockdowns and opening schools early will not help. I'm not talking about the kids mixing either, its the parents mixing and not social distancing on the school runs and in the school day that is spreading it

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I don't think they should open until it is safe to do so. Any teachers likely to be at risk of dying from the virus should be vaccinated first ( if they wish to be). We do not currently know when it will be safe to do so. Many parents would likely be unhappy to have to send their children to school after half term I suspect. The situation is still quite grave.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It doesn't make sense to open them at the moment but the government has not made a lot of sense with alot of moves they have made and acted late so I wouldn't be surprised if they did open them as a parent I'd rather wait until more people are vaccinated at this point or if they go back parents have some sort of choice rather than being harassed everyday and told there no option apart from to deregister or face fines

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By *ty31Man
over a year ago

NW London

There has to be a better way of reintroducing kids to education. It's obvious that home schooling is leaving some kids behind whilst it's also obvious that schools don't have the physical capacity to reopen in the same way as before covid.

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By *innMan
over a year ago

edinburgh

Schools and universities are at the heart of the second wave. Complicated by the fact that our borders are wide open.

I live in a very residential area but also next to university residencies. It was the highest number of cases in the city in September/October.

They keep pumping out the message distancing, masks and cleaning hands. You have to queue to get Ito shops but we can have a primary school with over 500 kids open with out any of the rules.

It’s nonsensical

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By *i1971Man
over a year ago

Cornwall

"There has to be a better way of reintroducing kids to education. It's obvious that home schooling is leaving some kids behind whilst it's also obvious that schools don't have the physical capacity to reopen in the same way as before covid."

I think you're right and I don't really have an answer as to what can be done.

It was sad to see a FB post the other day with a parent saying they had given up with home schooling (too much aggravation) and was over the moon their child had so many followers on tick tock & thought this was a great way to spend their days. These children will sadly be left way behind (not suggesting they were ever in the top sets/classes, but tick tock isn't a substitute for education)

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By *ove2pleaseseukMan
over a year ago

Hastings

If it's not safe don't open them

The mental health impact of flooding family or friends is grater.

A staggered return with years 13,11, and 6 first if possible.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

The problem seems to be pressure on Giv from back benchers and also to a large extent from Labour who the day before they were clised were calling for them to stay open.

Not sure anyone has an answer just now.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

* gov....closed....excuse my fat thumb!

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By *ady LickWoman
over a year ago

Northampton Somewhere

I think they should reopen schools for gcse and A level year groups.

We are still getting emails saying they are having cases with just the key worker children in though. It was quite bad when they were all in, at least 3 a week.

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By *usybee73Man
over a year ago

in the sticks

most of the parents around here dont care, this morning the sledges were back out etc ... i asked how the home schooling was going and got a scowl for my troubles

though you wont find any asian kids out playing in the snow, they will be studying and becoming lawyers, doctors etc

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"most of the parents around here dont care, this morning the sledges were back out etc ... i asked how the home schooling was going and got a scowl for my troubles

though you wont find any asian kids out playing in the snow, they will be studying and becoming lawyers, doctors etc "

What's wrong with having a snow day? Kids need to have fun too, one day won't do them any harm.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

As much as homeschooling is an arse, I don't think it's safe to reopen the schools yet. Mine have been off since the start of December because of the amount of cases in their schools they ended up shutting their years down early. I don't blame the schools, they done everything they could to reduce the spread. We need to protect our teachers and school staff as well.

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By *ady LickWoman
over a year ago

Northampton Somewhere

"most of the parents around here dont care, this morning the sledges were back out etc ... i asked how the home schooling was going and got a scowl for my troubles

though you wont find any asian kids out playing in the snow, they will be studying and becoming lawyers, doctors etc "

I've been out with mine this morning, call it break time if you like!

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By *pursChick aka ShortieWoman
over a year ago

On a mooch

"most of the parents around here dont care, this morning the sledges were back out etc ... i asked how the home schooling was going and got a scowl for my troubles

though you wont find any asian kids out playing in the snow, they will be studying and becoming lawyers, doctors etc "

Outdoors can be part of home schooling to, it isn’t all about sitting glued to a laptop

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Schools and universities are at the heart of the second wave. Complicated by the fact that our borders are wide open.

I live in a very residential area but also next to university residencies. It was the highest number of cases in the city in September/October.

They keep pumping out the message distancing, masks and cleaning hands. You have to queue to get Ito shops but we can have a primary school with over 500 kids open with out any of the rules.

It’s nonsensical "
Agree with this 100% plus adding that supermarkets need to do more I went to waitrose thinking it would be fine....no it was rammed with people almost tumbling over each other to get their shopping and it's like it in every supermarket I've been to

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Think it’s very difficult whichever way or direction things head in. Many children and adults are struggling, without or with schools being open. Current reality versus future risk as well.

Either way doesn’t particularly impact my world, and there are such mixed views generally. Though cases are best reduced with minimal contact. I know parents who are hellbent on wanting schools to remain closed, and the absolute opposite too. Some have blossomed whilst off school, some haven’t. Really tough as there are not many ‘winners’ with such big decisions and subsequent restrictions.

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By *uckandbunnyCouple
over a year ago

In your bed

The big jump in cases was over Xmas when schools were shut.

No accident that it was indoor family mixing on or around the 25th.

One to two weeks later we hit peak infection.

One to two weeks after that we hit peak deaths as cases decline.

Please don't call the kids super spreaders. It is not accurate and those poor kids are the ones who are going to be paying the furlough debt back for the next 100 years.

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By *usybee73Man
over a year ago

in the sticks

"most of the parents around here dont care, this morning the sledges were back out etc ... i asked how the home schooling was going and got a scowl for my troubles

though you wont find any asian kids out playing in the snow, they will be studying and becoming lawyers, doctors etc

What's wrong with having a snow day? Kids need to have fun too, one day won't do them any harm. "

so you would of kept them off if the schools were open?

cant have it both ways

bit of difference in educating kids outdoors or playing on sledges, like a said ... the same parents will be on face ache moaning about the schools being shut, then blaming the government in the kids low grades.

home schooling, only get out what you put in.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"most of the parents around here dont care, this morning the sledges were back out etc ... i asked how the home schooling was going and got a scowl for my troubles

though you wont find any asian kids out playing in the snow, they will be studying and becoming lawyers, doctors etc

What's wrong with having a snow day? Kids need to have fun too, one day won't do them any harm.

so you would of kept them off if the schools were open?

cant have it both ways

home schooling, only get out what you put in."

No, I wouldn't of deliberately kept them off unless I couldn't physically get them to school because of the snow but schools do close sometimes when it's snowed.

Life isn't normal right now though so if we had had snow (we didn't get any

) yes, I would of taken mine out to play in it for a bit. They would still of done their work though and I can't see any of their teachers holding it against me somehow.

Yes, you only get out what you put in but you can't force a child to learn and I can't imagine there are many parent's out there that want to stress their kids out with schoolwork at the moment. Doesn't mean it's not getting done, just means us understanding that they are people with feelings too and can also be struggling with the situation.

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By *usybee73Man
over a year ago

in the sticks

"most of the parents around here dont care, this morning the sledges were back out etc ... i asked how the home schooling was going and got a scowl for my troubles

though you wont find any asian kids out playing in the snow, they will be studying and becoming lawyers, doctors etc

What's wrong with having a snow day? Kids need to have fun too, one day won't do them any harm.

so you would of kept them off if the schools were open?

cant have it both ways

home schooling, only get out what you put in.

No, I wouldn't of deliberately kept them off unless I couldn't physically get them to school because of the snow but schools do close sometimes when it's snowed.

Life isn't normal right now though so if we had had snow (we didn't get any

) yes, I would of taken mine out to play in it for a bit. They would still of done their work though and I can't see any of their teachers holding it against me somehow.

hence why i made the asian comment, can guarantee a large majority of asian kids would of been sat at home with books or watching educational programes for most of the day.

dont get me wrong, i was a right sod at school, and any excuse not to attend etc now i look back and wonder what could of been etc

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

We're in the middle of the recent lockdown and haven't got sustained numbers that show when that will end. Education is part of that but secondary to securing good health for the country. Patience is needed. February 15th onwards to get a better understanding. It's still January

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By *bi_AstrayTV/TS
over a year ago

Plymouth

The PMs announcement today that they simply don't know when schools can go back, is probably one of their wisest decisions since they started making decisions about the pandemic. How are they supposed to know, forcing a response is as ridiculous as stating a date at this point in time due to the unknowns.

As far as the actual Education goes, then it must be getting close to having all children just repeat the year they've just missed. Delay the exams by enough time for them to catch up. Expecting them to catch up with nearly a year of work will simply be too much for most children.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The big jump in cases was over Xmas when schools were shut.

No accident that it was indoor family mixing on or around the 25th.

One to two weeks later we hit peak infection.

One to two weeks after that we hit peak deaths as cases decline.

Please don't call the kids super spreaders. It is not accurate and those poor kids are the ones who are going to be paying the furlough debt back for the next 100 years. "
unfortunately they are, our Autistic daughter could have only caught covid from school, all other household members tested negative, and only contact she has had is from a learning pack from school, smack bang in middle of when test and track said she got infected. I'm only person to leave house, doubled masked and throw away gloves, dissinfect in car as both our daughters have micro deletion of a chromosome. We didn't realise the special gift for daughter in pack was a 2nd hand dinosaur book. Luckily we all came out of quarantine yesterday safely, with no lasting damage.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I will point out we contacted track and trace and school, explaining we believed 99.9% the infection came from school and hence to warn other parents etc, and both basically refused to inform other parents to be aware, as basically too much hassle for them.

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By *ob198XaMan
over a year ago

teleford

Vax over 60’s. Vax teachers. Once done Give it 2 weeks then gradually start opening schools. Primary first, secondary 2 weeks later

Would be my suggestion, though based only on scraps of scientific evidence.

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By *ob198XaMan
over a year ago

teleford

"The big jump in cases was over Xmas when schools were shut.

No accident that it was indoor family mixing on or around the 25th.

One to two weeks later we hit peak infection.

One to two weeks after that we hit peak deaths as cases decline.

Please don't call the kids super spreaders. It is not accurate and those poor kids are the ones who are going to be paying the furlough debt back for the next 100 years. unfortunately they are, our Autistic daughter could have only caught covid from school, all other household members tested negative, and only contact she has had is from a learning pack from school, smack bang in middle of when test and track said she got infected. I'm only person to leave house, doubled masked and throw away gloves, dissinfect in car as both our daughters have micro deletion of a chromosome. We didn't realise the special gift for daughter in pack was a 2nd hand dinosaur book. Luckily we all came out of quarantine yesterday safely, with no lasting damage."

Glad you are OK

Its still possible no child was involved in this transmission chain. Could it have been a false positive or did she have symptoms? If the virus was carried on the book it could just as easily have been contaminated by an adult rather than a child.

You are doing all the right things. Keep safe

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The big jump in cases was over Xmas when schools were shut.

No accident that it was indoor family mixing on or around the 25th.

One to two weeks later we hit peak infection.

One to two weeks after that we hit peak deaths as cases decline.

Glad you are OK

You are doing all the right things. Keep safe

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she had symptoms but mild, unfortunately our one person in support bubble caught it from her, but we didn't... we put her in isolation in biggest room, which she enjoyed!!! ... (autistic). And yes may of been a adult from school but to be honest, their attitude was don't care, not our problem, to the point t I called them fucking idiots over phone. A trust school putting profit before safety again.

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By *ldaCouple
over a year ago

sutton Coldfield

There are all sorts of reasons why a school wouldn’t phone round parents to inform them another parent suspects that their child has contracted Covid from a school book.

Profit is not one of them

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By *eavenscentitCouple
over a year ago

barnstaple

The problem here in North Devon is there is little or no teaching going on. Many keyworker children are being 'babysat' in Primary Schools not educated.

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By *ob198XaMan
over a year ago

teleford

"The big jump in cases was over Xmas when schools were shut.

No accident that it was indoor family mixing on or around the 25th.

One to two weeks later we hit peak infection.

One to two weeks after that we hit peak deaths as cases decline.

Glad you are OK

You are doing all the right things. Keep safe

she had symptoms but mild, unfortunately our one person in support bubble caught it from her, but we didn't... we put her in isolation in biggest room, which she enjoyed!!! ... (autistic). And yes may of been a adult from school but to be honest, their attitude was don't care, not our problem, to the point t I called them fucking idiots over phone. A trust school putting profit before safety again."

How do they profit from not informing other parents? You could have put one line on a facebook page or a parents whatsapp group and most parents within the school would have been aware in an hour would they not?

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By *ob198XaMan
over a year ago

teleford

"The problem here in North Devon is there is little or no teaching going on. Many keyworker children are being 'babysat' in Primary Schools not educated. "

I suspect the same in true of many who are sat at home.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Unfortunately we have had dealings with the trust director of the 3 schools, and she is purely money oriented..... also when we complained about it taking school 3 years to put our Autistic daughter on SEN register, she told us tough that she's the director, a local magistrate and the ofstead inspector for this area, so complaint would go no where. NOT really what you want to hear, and yes we can spread the info better by the mums network on facebook

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By *uzz And WoodyCouple
over a year ago

Maidstone

"The big jump in cases was over Xmas when schools were shut.

No accident that it was indoor family mixing on or around the 25th.

One to two weeks later we hit peak infection.

One to two weeks after that we hit peak deaths as cases decline.

Glad you are OK

You are doing all the right things. Keep safe

I’m not getting the profit comment. How do they profit?

They probably didn’t inform parents it was transmitted via a book as it’s impossible to prove that. You have no evidence to support that, just an assumption. To report something without facts could cause hysteria. I can understand parents are upset when their child gets ill but it’s not really the school staff’s fault. I can guarantee the staff would rather be at home with their own families rather than risking their health by looking after other people’s children and getting abused for it.

I’m glad your daughter is feeling better.

Lou x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"most of the parents around here dont care, this morning the sledges were back out etc ... i asked how the home schooling was going and got a scowl for my troubles

though you wont find any asian kids out playing in the snow, they will be studying and becoming lawyers, doctors etc

I've been out with mine this morning, call it break time if you like! "

We go for regular walks, "PE lessons"

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By *extasy19Couple
over a year ago

Northampton

On the 6 o'clock news on Monday, headline item had a parent from Bromley who said that schools there had given notice that they were no longer going to provide any online learning. 20 minutes in, another item on schooling, a parent from Cambridge said his son has no lessons after 12 midday. Some of our employees are telling us that their kids have less than 15 minutes tuition a day. Which begs the question, what exactly are the teachers doing then?

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By *razytimesinloveCouple
over a year ago

SW Scotland

"The big jump in cases was over Xmas when schools were shut.

No accident that it was indoor family mixing on or around the 25th.

One to two weeks later we hit peak infection.

One to two weeks after that we hit peak deaths as cases decline.

Please don't call the kids super spreaders. It is not accurate and those poor kids are the ones who are going to be paying the furlough debt back for the next 100 years. "

My thoughts exactly, kids will be dealing with the fallout for this long after the vulnerable groups have passed away. I know it’s a horrible way to look at it.

It’s not just the education right now that’s going to suffer, there will be a huge gap in all jobs soon from medical staff all the way to construction trades etc.

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By *oncupiscence73Woman
over a year ago

South

"On the 6 o'clock news on Monday, headline item had a parent from Bromley who said that schools there had given notice that they were no longer going to provide any online learning. 20 minutes in, another item on schooling, a parent from Cambridge said his son has no lessons after 12 midday. Some of our employees are telling us that their kids have less than 15 minutes tuition a day. Which begs the question, what exactly are the teachers doing then?"

More than 50% of pupils are in school due to the relaxation of the critical worker list by the government this means most teachers if not all are actually teaching as class sizes are being kept to 15 again - who exactly do you expect to teach the 50% at home?

Here is what I have done

Planned lessons for in school kids and home kids

Marked work from in school kids from last week

Called all the home kids

Recorded 10 lessons for the at home kids

Replied to 127 emails from parents moaning that their kids are hard work

Replied to 89 emails from kids that are a delight abs telling me how they miss me

Sorted the classroom out multiple times a day cleaning etc (not enough money to pay cleaners for multiple daily cleaning)

Oh and taught a class of 18 keyworker children all week

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By *allySlinkyWoman
over a year ago

Leeds

" unfortunately our one person in support bubble caught it from her"

How do you know your daughter didn't catch it from the bubble person rather than the book? If you are so cautious about contamination, why didn't you leave the learning pack for 72 hours before you opened it ?

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By *oncupiscence73Woman
over a year ago

South

As we appear to be questioning other people’s professionalism id like to know what you have been doing at work all week.

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By *uzz And WoodyCouple
over a year ago

Maidstone

Here is what I have done

Planned lessons for in school kids and home kids

Marked work from in school kids from last week

Called all the home kids

Recorded 10 lessons for the at home kids

Replied to 127 emails from parents moaning that their kids are hard work

Replied to 89 emails from kids that are a delight abs telling me how they miss me

Sorted the classroom out multiple times a day cleaning etc (not enough money to pay cleaners for multiple daily cleaning)

Oh and taught a class of 18 keyworker children all week

. And on top of that many have children of their own to care for.

And many have covid or are recovering from the after effects. Or looking after family members with it.

And there are still training and planning meetings to attend to make sure all staff are up to date and delivering lessons appropriately.

And then there are safeguarding meetings to attend and reports to write about vulnerable pupils.

And some are collating and assessing pupils work for their GCSE and A Level results.

And some are going out and delivering laptops or paper work packs to pupils.

Most teachers I know are working their backsides off right now and they have the same fears and worries as everyone else.

If people truly believe education is as important as they say then perhaps try should show some appreciation for the very people who provide the education.

Lou. X

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By *allySlinkyWoman
over a year ago

Leeds

I really appreciate the hard work all teachers and support staff are doing in these challenging times and I think they should be prioritised for the vaccine.

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By *ady LickWoman
over a year ago

Northampton Somewhere

From 8th March schools *may* start to go back

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"most of the parents around here dont care, this morning the sledges were back out etc ... i asked how the home schooling was going and got a scowl for my troubles

though you wont find any asian kids out playing in the snow, they will be studying and becoming lawyers, doctors etc

What's wrong with having a snow day? Kids need to have fun too, one day won't do them any harm.

so you would of kept them off if the schools were open?

cant have it both ways

home schooling, only get out what you put in."

My son gets lessons sent to him each day, not a full day, maybe max four lessons to do, and they aren't full lessons, more like a bit of reading, some questions on a subject. He's finished it all in around an hour every single day. The exact same thing is the case for all the other kids in his year and probably his entire school.

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By *rman82Man
over a year ago

Manchester

Open the schools, I personally think it’s crazy they have closed them in the first place. If we are looking at the infection rate... that means nothing, it’s important to look at the death rate and the hospital admissions, neither of which rose in September by any considerable amount. The first few weeks of January are always the peak times for deaths, possible related to kids visiting grandparents at Christmas but who knows, either way this is a seasonal fluctuation that happens every year, regardless of covid. Children missing out on their education is, for me, the biggest crime of all of this.

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"Open the schools, I personally think it’s crazy they have closed them in the first place. If we are looking at the infection rate... that means nothing, it’s important to look at the death rate and the hospital admissions, neither of which rose in September by any considerable amount. The first few weeks of January are always the peak times for deaths, possible related to kids visiting grandparents at Christmas but who knows, either way this is a seasonal fluctuation that happens every year, regardless of covid. Children missing out on their education is, for me, the biggest crime of all of this."

They were told the schools were not safe to open.

And ignored them .

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By *pursChick aka ShortieWoman
over a year ago

On a mooch

"From 8th March schools *may* start to go back

Was expecting this and tbh I’m not expecting them back at all this term and nor is the school.

We still get the lessons whether in paper or online and the kids are working from 09.00 until 15.00 as the base, plus maybe 1/2 hours after to finish tasks set in lesson, before starting the next day

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By *ldaCouple
over a year ago

sutton Coldfield

I love the extreme views on here.

It’s either, my son/daughter gets very little work, therefore all teachers are lazy and doing nothing

All teachers are marvellous and wonderful and should be prioritised for the jab.

Maybe, just maybe, some schools are working very hard and teaching 5 virtual lessons a day, while some are just putting some worksheets on the system.

Like all walks of life, some are bad, some good

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By *rman82Man
over a year ago

Manchester

They were told the schools were not safe to open.

And ignored them ."

That’s because they were safe to open.

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

They were told the schools were not safe to open.

And ignored them .

That’s because they were safe to open. "

And what are you basing that on?

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By *rman82Man
over a year ago

Manchester

They were told the schools were not safe to open.

And ignored them .

That’s because they were safe to open.

And what are you basing that on?"

The fact that kids aren’t at risk and we didn’t see a considerable rise in deaths in September.

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

They were told the schools were not safe to open.

And ignored them .

That’s because they were safe to open.

And what are you basing that on?

The fact that kids aren’t at risk and we didn’t see a considerable rise in deaths in September. "

Can kids not catch it and pass it onto their family?

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By *ady LickWoman
over a year ago

Northampton Somewhere

I can't fault my school this time. They are providing enough work for it not to be overwhelming, motivational 'assembly' type videos to watch etc. I do think that's because they are now in exam years whereas last April they weren't.

Has anyone else found that?

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By *ugby 123Couple
Forum Mod
over a year ago

O o O oo

They were told the schools were not safe to open.

And ignored them .

That’s because they were safe to open.

And what are you basing that on?

The fact that kids aren’t at risk and we didn’t see a considerable rise in deaths in September. "

Kids do get it so the teachers would be at risk. Deaths started moving upward at the end of Sept and Oct so would fit in with infections being caught in September

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

O o O oo

They were told the schools were not safe to open.

And ignored them .

That’s because they were safe to open.

And what are you basing that on?

The fact that kids aren’t at risk and we didn’t see a considerable rise in deaths in September.

Kids do get it so the teachers would be at risk. Deaths started moving upward at the end of Sept and Oct so would fit in with infections being caught in September"

3 deaths 1st Sept, up to 71 on the 30th

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By *rman82Man
over a year ago

Manchester

They were told the schools were not safe to open.

And ignored them .

That’s because they were safe to open.

And what are you basing that on?

The fact that kids aren’t at risk and we didn’t see a considerable rise in deaths in September.

Kids do get it so the teachers would be at risk. Deaths started moving upward at the end of Sept and Oct so would fit in with infections being caught in September

3 deaths 1st Sept, up to 71 on the 30th"

Agreed but then the deaths fell in early December, it’s a seasonal fluctuation that happens every year. In my opinion closing the schools makes little or no difference and the harm that closing schools does in the long run, is a lot worse.

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over a year ago

"I can't fault my school this time. They are providing enough work for it not to be overwhelming, motivational 'assembly' type videos to watch etc. I do think that's because they are now in exam years whereas last April they weren't.

Has anyone else found that?"

I think it feels a bit more prepared this time round - better systems for the kids to log into and submit work, not just 'email a worksheet and let the parents mark it'. And I hear of a few places starting with more interactivity - Zoom etc.

It's hard though. A head in Lancashire wrote to all the parents of her school basically saying 'whatever you're doing is great' - after her own kids school sent reams of work home every day.

The whole 'extended critical worker' thing hasn't helped - I've no doubt some very dubious justifications have been used, which means teachers are busy teaching in-person and remotely. I heard on the grapevine that calls into schools spiked massively when the rumours about 'closed until Easter' started circulating!

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

They were told the schools were not safe to open.

And ignored them .

That’s because they were safe to open.

And what are you basing that on?

The fact that kids aren’t at risk and we didn’t see a considerable rise in deaths in September.

Kids do get it so the teachers would be at risk. Deaths started moving upward at the end of Sept and Oct so would fit in with infections being caught in September

3 deaths 1st Sept, up to 71 on the 30th

So in your opinion..over the science led professionals?

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By *ackformore100Man
over a year ago

Tin town

Make your mind up... Close the schools was the cry... How can they be so stupid and leave schools open was the cry... Now.. Open the schools is the cry... How can they be so stupid and cruel to our kids education...

We can't have it both ways.pick one and live with the consequences. As it surely is govt by Facebook right now.

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

O o O oo

They were told the schools were not safe to open.

And ignored them .

That’s because they were safe to open.

And what are you basing that on?

The fact that kids aren’t at risk and we didn’t see a considerable rise in deaths in September.

Kids do get it so the teachers would be at risk. Deaths started moving upward at the end of Sept and Oct so would fit in with infections being caught in September

3 deaths 1st Sept, up to 71 on the 30th

They didn't really fall in December, there was a slight change, but wouldn't that have been because we were in lockdown anyway?

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By *rman82Man
over a year ago

Manchester

They were told the schools were not safe to open.

And ignored them .

That’s because they were safe to open.

And what are you basing that on?

The fact that kids aren’t at risk and we didn’t see a considerable rise in deaths in September.

Kids do get it so the teachers would be at risk. Deaths started moving upward at the end of Sept and Oct so would fit in with infections being caught in September

3 deaths 1st Sept, up to 71 on the 30th

They didn't really fall in December, there was a slight change, but wouldn't that have been because we were in lockdown today anyway?"

There was a slight fall, it’s all peaks and troughs. My point is about schools, whilst I totally disagree with lockdowns this discussion was about whether or not the schools should be open. I think they should be open.

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By *rman82Man
over a year ago

Manchester

They were told the schools were not safe to open.

And ignored them .

That’s because they were safe to open.

And what are you basing that on?

The fact that kids aren’t at risk and we didn’t see a considerable rise in deaths in September.

Kids do get it so the teachers would be at risk. Deaths started moving upward at the end of Sept and Oct so would fit in with infections being caught in September

3 deaths 1st Sept, up to 71 on the 30th

So in your opinion..over the science led professionals?"

The thing about science led professionals is they rarely agree on anything. There are plenty of these professionals that don’t think the schools should be closed.

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By *ackformore100Man
over a year ago

Tin town

They were told the schools were not safe to open.

And ignored them .

That’s because they were safe to open.

And what are you basing that on?

The fact that kids aren’t at risk and we didn’t see a considerable rise in deaths in September.

Kids do get it so the teachers would be at risk. Deaths started moving upward at the end of Sept and Oct so would fit in with infections being caught in September

3 deaths 1st Sept, up to 71 on the 30th

So in your opinion..over the science led professionals?

The thing about science led professionals is they rarely agree on anything. There are plenty of these professionals that don’t think the schools should be closed."

Why don't they follow the science (that I agree with) we say... Its truly pathetic how myopic we are at times.

Here's an idea. Where community rates are low enough and well enough managed.. Let them open.

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

O o O oo

They were told the schools were not safe to open.

And ignored them .

That’s because they were safe to open.

And what are you basing that on?

The fact that kids aren’t at risk and we didn’t see a considerable rise in deaths in September.

Kids do get it so the teachers would be at risk. Deaths started moving upward at the end of Sept and Oct so would fit in with infections being caught in September

3 deaths 1st Sept, up to 71 on the 30th

They didn't really fall in December, there was a slight change, but wouldn't that have been because we were in lockdown today anyway?

You gave your reason of "The fact that kids aren’t at risk and we didn’t see a considerable rise in deaths in September" as to why you think they should open, I was correcting you on the stats. We are still talking about the same subject.

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

O o O oo

Here's an idea. Where community rates are low enough and well enough managed.. Let them open. "

This is probably the best idea, a uniformed all go back to school could potentially be another mess to sort out

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By *luebell888Woman
over a year ago

Glasgowish

Glad my children have grown up. A very worrying time for parents i would imagine.

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"Make your mind up... Close the schools was the cry... How can they be so stupid and leave schools open was the cry... Now.. Open the schools is the cry... How can they be so stupid and cruel to our kids education...

We can't have it both ways.pick one and live with the consequences. As it surely is govt by Facebook right now. "

They were told to close the schools

They ignored it and threatened legal action if they opened.

Then they opened for a day and suddenly decided it was too dangerous.

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

They were told the schools were not safe to open.

And ignored them .

That’s because they were safe to open.

And what are you basing that on?

The fact that kids aren’t at risk and we didn’t see a considerable rise in deaths in September.

Kids do get it so the teachers would be at risk. Deaths started moving upward at the end of Sept and Oct so would fit in with infections being caught in September

3 deaths 1st Sept, up to 71 on the 30th

So in your opinion..over the science led professionals?

The thing about science led professionals is they rarely agree on anything. There are plenty of these professionals that don’t think the schools should be closed."

Who like?

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By *rman82Man
over a year ago

Manchester

They were told the schools were not safe to open.

And ignored them .

That’s because they were safe to open.

And what are you basing that on?

The fact that kids aren’t at risk and we didn’t see a considerable rise in deaths in September.

Kids do get it so the teachers would be at risk. Deaths started moving upward at the end of Sept and Oct so would fit in with infections being caught in September

3 deaths 1st Sept, up to 71 on the 30th

So in your opinion..over the science led professionals?

The thing about science led professionals is they rarely agree on anything. There are plenty of these professionals that don’t think the schools should be closed.

Why don't they follow the science (that I agree with) we say... Its truly pathetic how myopic we are at times.

Here's an idea. Where community rates are low enough and well enough managed.. Let them open. "

That is a great idea but some kids would fall behind others simply because they live in a highly infected area. That wouldn’t be fair on them and they have missed out enough.

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By *rman82Man
over a year ago

Manchester

They were told the schools were not safe to open.

And ignored them .

That’s because they were safe to open.

And what are you basing that on?

The fact that kids aren’t at risk and we didn’t see a considerable rise in deaths in September.

Kids do get it so the teachers would be at risk. Deaths started moving upward at the end of Sept and Oct so would fit in with infections being caught in September

3 deaths 1st Sept, up to 71 on the 30th

So in your opinion..over the science led professionals?

The thing about science led professionals is they rarely agree on anything. There are plenty of these professionals that don’t think the schools should be closed.

Who like?

His about the 10,000+ doctors and professionals that signed the great barrington declaration?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Some good discussion here but I look at the school situation from a purely selfish POV.

I want my year 11 daughter in school. For obvious reasons I hope. I also feel year 13 students should be in school. I'm happy to have my year 7 daughter at home until necessary though.

Right or wrong it's how I feel about it.

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

They were told the schools were not safe to open.

And ignored them .

That’s because they were safe to open.

And what are you basing that on?

The fact that kids aren’t at risk and we didn’t see a considerable rise in deaths in September.

Kids do get it so the teachers would be at risk. Deaths started moving upward at the end of Sept and Oct so would fit in with infections being caught in September

3 deaths 1st Sept, up to 71 on the 30th

So in your opinion..over the science led professionals?

The thing about science led professionals is they rarely agree on anything. There are plenty of these professionals that don’t think the schools should be closed.

Who like?

His about the 10,000+ doctors and professionals that signed the great barrington declaration?"

Right ok.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

They were told the schools were not safe to open.

And ignored them .

That’s because they were safe to open.

And what are you basing that on?

The fact that kids aren’t at risk and we didn’t see a considerable rise in deaths in September.

Kids do get it so the teachers would be at risk. Deaths started moving upward at the end of Sept and Oct so would fit in with infections being caught in September

3 deaths 1st Sept, up to 71 on the 30th

So in your opinion..over the science led professionals?

The thing about science led professionals is they rarely agree on anything. There are plenty of these professionals that don’t think the schools should be closed.

Who like?

His about the 10,000+ doctors and professionals that signed the great barrington declaration?

Right ok."

Deaths fell in early december as there was a further lockdown in November. Schools ooened early sept, cases rose steeply within a week/10 days....deatgs started to shoot up by end of month leading to further lock down and schools closing again soon after.

It doesnt matter what the disease is...kids are super spreaders. YES they may be relatively safe as dont get severe symptoms....but they live in the community with parents/grandparents etc who end up in hospital and dying

Back to school 8th March us now being muted.....idiots! But the stats will tell soon after....

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By *ady LickWoman
over a year ago

Northampton Somewhere

"Some good discussion here but I look at the school situation from a purely selfish POV.

I want my year 11 daughter in school. For obvious reasons I hope. I also feel year 13 students should be in school. I'm happy to have my year 7 daughter at home until necessary though.

Right or wrong it's how I feel about it."

I feel like that. I have a yr10 and 12, they are desperate to get back. They are so worried about getting shit exam results

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By *ockosaurusMan
over a year ago

Warwick

Has anyone else found that?"

In 1 week my 5 year old had 12 videos to watch, 5 online games to play, a picture book and had to act out and upload a video of, and 40 sheets of work which I had to print off and guide her through.

I also have 3 other kids needing help and I'm currently doing overtime at work (from home) as I have a major milestone.

It's breaking me a little tbh.

I still think schools should stay closed though. Some (mine) just need to improve.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Some good discussion here but I look at the school situation from a purely selfish POV.

I want my year 11 daughter in school. For obvious reasons I hope. I also feel year 13 students should be in school. I'm happy to have my year 7 daughter at home until necessary though.

Right or wrong it's how I feel about it.

I feel like that. I have a yr10 and 12, they are desperate to get back. They are so worried about getting shit exam results

The talk is my daughter wont be doing GCSEs but I just fear that it's gonna impact her chances going forward.

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By *rman82Man
over a year ago

Manchester

They were told the schools were not safe to open.

And ignored them .

That’s because they were safe to open.

And what are you basing that on?

The fact that kids aren’t at risk and we didn’t see a considerable rise in deaths in September.

Kids do get it so the teachers would be at risk. Deaths started moving upward at the end of Sept and Oct so would fit in with infections being caught in September

3 deaths 1st Sept, up to 71 on the 30th

So in your opinion..over the science led professionals?

The thing about science led professionals is they rarely agree on anything. There are plenty of these professionals that don’t think the schools should be closed.

Who like?

His about the 10,000+ doctors and professionals that signed the great barrington declaration?

Right ok.

Back to school 8th March us now being muted.....idiots! But the stats will tell soon after...."

So what would you suggest? Keeping the schools shut till the virus magically disappears? We will have the elderly and vulnerable vaccinated by early Feb... at the very latest this is when the kids should go back but as I said earlier, I don’t think they should ever have closed.

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By *ockosaurusMan
over a year ago

Warwick

They were told the schools were not safe to open.

And ignored them .

That’s because they were safe to open.

And what are you basing that on?

The fact that kids aren’t at risk and we didn’t see a considerable rise in deaths in September.

Kids do get it so the teachers would be at risk. Deaths started moving upward at the end of Sept and Oct so would fit in with infections being caught in September

3 deaths 1st Sept, up to 71 on the 30th

So in your opinion..over the science led professionals?

The thing about science led professionals is they rarely agree on anything. There are plenty of these professionals that don’t think the schools should be closed.

Who like?

His about the 10,000+ doctors and professionals that signed the great barrington declaration?"

I'd be interested to know how many of those are virologists or work in mental care.

An optician could have signed it, but that doesn't mean they have any more knowledge on the subject than me, and I am in no way qualified to make those sorry of judgements.

I'm kinda happy it's not me making these decisions though tbh. It feels like whatever we do will have a massive negative outcome

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By *oncupiscence73Woman
over a year ago

South

"Some good discussion here but I look at the school situation from a purely selfish POV.

I want my year 11 daughter in school. For obvious reasons I hope. I also feel year 13 students should be in school. I'm happy to have my year 7 daughter at home until necessary though.

Right or wrong it's how I feel about it."

Why don’t you volunteer to go help the teacher then ... I’m sure they’re crying out for help and if you think it’s ok for teachers to expose themselves to hundreds of kids then I’m sure you are happy with that risk to yourself

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By *oncupiscence73Woman
over a year ago

South

Really? Long covid? I know ten teachers with covid right now three in hospital severely ill. One who’s kids are in care as she’s a single parent one 27 year old on a vent and one 7 year old who gave it to both grandparents who died. Why don’t your volunteer for the exposure if you think teachers lives are expendable

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By *rman82Man
over a year ago

Manchester

They were told the schools were not safe to open.

And ignored them .

That’s because they were safe to open.

And what are you basing that on?

The fact that kids aren’t at risk and we didn’t see a considerable rise in deaths in September.

Kids do get it so the teachers would be at risk. Deaths started moving upward at the end of Sept and Oct so would fit in with infections being caught in September

3 deaths 1st Sept, up to 71 on the 30th

So in your opinion..over the science led professionals?

The thing about science led professionals is they rarely agree on anything. There are plenty of these professionals that don’t think the schools should be closed.

Who like?

His about the 10,000+ doctors and professionals that signed the great barrington declaration?

I'd be interested to know how many of those are virologists or work in mental care.

An optician could have signed it, but that doesn't mean they have any more knowledge on the subject than me, and I am in no way qualified to make those sorry of judgements.

I'm kinda happy it's not me making these decisions though tbh. It feels like whatever we do will have a massive negative outcome

Look it up, there are plenty of leading virologists and epidemiologist that have signed it. Although it’s not all about the virologist opinion. There are lots of other factors involved here and just listening to one point of view has, in my opinion, been the governments biggest mistake. Experts in mental health would have just as much weight in this debate as a virologist/epidemiologist.

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By *rman82Man
over a year ago

Manchester

And there are plenty of sad stories about kids not being in school and the effects that has. I agree there are some sad tales to be had, on both sides of the argument however I personally feel that closing the schools is a lot worse than having them open.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Some good discussion here but I look at the school situation from a purely selfish POV.

I want my year 11 daughter in school. For obvious reasons I hope. I also feel year 13 students should be in school. I'm happy to have my year 7 daughter at home until necessary though.

Right or wrong it's how I feel about it.

You don't know my situation or how many people I'm exposed to. What an absolutely ridiculous comment

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By *atEvolutionCouple
over a year ago

atlantisEVOLUTION Swingers Club. Stoke

Will not open until at least March.

https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-schools-will-not-reopen-for-all-pupils-after-february-half-term-pm-confirms-12200329

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By *ady LickWoman
over a year ago

Northampton Somewhere

"Some good discussion here but I look at the school situation from a purely selfish POV.

I want my year 11 daughter in school. For obvious reasons I hope. I also feel year 13 students should be in school. I'm happy to have my year 7 daughter at home until necessary though.

Right or wrong it's how I feel about it.

I feel like that. I have a yr10 and 12, they are desperate to get back. They are so worried about getting shit exam results

The talk is my daughter wont be doing GCSEs but I just fear that it's gonna impact her chances going forward.

Is she yr11 or 10?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Some good discussion here but I look at the school situation from a purely selfish POV.

I want my year 11 daughter in school. For obvious reasons I hope. I also feel year 13 students should be in school. I'm happy to have my year 7 daughter at home until necessary though.

Right or wrong it's how I feel about it.

I feel like that. I have a yr10 and 12, they are desperate to get back. They are so worried about getting shit exam results

The talk is my daughter wont be doing GCSEs but I just fear that it's gonna impact her chances going forward.

Is she yr11 or 10?"

Year 11 now.

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By *ady LickWoman
over a year ago

Northampton Somewhere

Has anyone else found that?

In 1 week my 5 year old had 12 videos to watch, 5 online games to play, a picture book and had to act out and upload a video of, and 40 sheets of work which I had to print off and guide her through.

I also have 3 other kids needing help and I'm currently doing overtime at work (from home) as I have a major milestone.

It's breaking me a little tbh.

I still think schools should stay closed though. Some (mine) just need to improve. "

Christ, that's a lot, too much if you ask me. One of my colleagues is on furlough as she doesn't have childcare, and her kids around the same age get a similar amount. She's stressing every day.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

In parliament today boris was badgering starmer to say schools were safe...if they are safe why is he making almost 2 months as the earliest day to open them?

It's obvious to anyone that opening the schools up will spread the virus.

I know kids want to be back at school and they and their parents are worried about their mental health and education.

It's just a shame the government didn't plan for this happening in the summer and sorted the laptop's out for them all.

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By *endulum 20Couple
over a year ago

sandy

most schools are not totally shut

they are taking in children of front line staff and vulnerable children

a lot of special needs schools have been open all the time

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By *uietlykinkymeWoman
over a year ago

kinky land

Me, I'm happy our primary school is closed. I'd be happy if they stayed closed until Easter, I'm in the position that I can comfortably stay at home and home school though. We get through the work together and I love spending this time with him.

I suspect that by half term my sprog will begin to want to run round with his friends and that's when his fatigue will kick in, so ask me again then.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"most schools are not totally shut

they are taking in children of front line staff and vulnerable children

a lot of special needs schools have been open all the time"

And a lot of the headteachers are trying to get it that both parents have to be key workers...as a lot sending the kids into school have only one key worker parent...but they are sending kids in to be with their friends...

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"In parliament today boris was badgering starmer to say schools were safe...if they are safe why is he making almost 2 months as the earliest day to open them?

It's obvious to anyone that opening the schools up will spread the virus.

I know kids want to be back at school and they and their parents are worried about their mental health and education.

It's just a shame the government didn't plan for this happening in the summer and sorted the laptop's out for them all."

Not trying to point score on the slightest.

Its embarrassing when he tries to take on starmer..just emphasising how far he is ,out of his depth.

Like you said, if they were safe,they would be open.

I wonder if that free broadband scheme is still seen as insanity?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"In parliament today boris was badgering starmer to say schools were safe...if they are safe why is he making almost 2 months as the earliest day to open them?

It's obvious to anyone that opening the schools up will spread the virus.

I know kids want to be back at school and they and their parents are worried about their mental health and education.

It's just a shame the government didn't plan for this happening in the summer and sorted the laptop's out for them all.

Not trying to point score on the slightest.

Its embarrassing when he tries to take on starmer..just emphasising how far he is ,out of his depth.

Like you said, if they were safe,they would be open.

I wonder if that free broadband scheme is still seen as insanity?"

Yep kids can't connect to the internet even with a laptop..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Why not keep the kids off til sept and the send them back into the same year they missed therefore not missing learning but finishing a yr later

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By *allySlinkyWoman
over a year ago

Leeds

So would 4 year olds not go to school and universities have an empty year ?

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By *pursChick aka ShortieWoman
over a year ago

On a mooch

"So would 4 year olds not go to school and universities have an empty year ?"

Or kids move from primary to secondary.... what you quote is why they won’t have the children repeat a year, as a knock on through the system and into the job market

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

They were told the schools were not safe to open.

And ignored them .

That’s because they were safe to open.

And what are you basing that on?

The fact that kids aren’t at risk and we didn’t see a considerable rise in deaths in September.

Kids do get it so the teachers would be at risk. Deaths started moving upward at the end of Sept and Oct so would fit in with infections being caught in September

3 deaths 1st Sept, up to 71 on the 30th

All of the data and studies I have seen all show very clear coralations between schools and universities going back and the rise in covid infections. The evidence is overwhelming. Just look at the govetments own track and track covid incident data as a starting point.

This isn't just the UK if you spend some time researching international peer reviewed studies and different countries data then the correlation between schools been open and rising infection rates is the same worldwide.

Let's look at the 3 lockdowns in the UK.

Lockdown 1 all schools, Universities closed apart from a limited number of key worker children (average 10-20% of loss in school) infections dropped throughout that lockdown and at continuous pace.

lockdown 2 it lasted a month and schools / universities remained completely open. London didn't see infections fall at all during the lockdown 2 period and in the weeks after (to allow for lag) in fact they still continued to rise.

Now to the current lockdown 3

Schools and universities are closed but this time the term key worker is far far more expansive therefore most schools have around 50% of pupils in. A school near us is at 65% of children attending. Even though a month of this lockdown had yet to pass we have seen infections rates hit a daily high above 60 thousand and then fall bit by bit (at a slower rate than lockdown 1) to now been under 40 thousand daily infections.

Do you have any links to hard factual data or peer reviewed studies that show schools been open are not linked to a rise in covid infections?

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By *orthern StarsCouple
over a year ago

Durham

We think perhaps the best way is to just write this whole year off then children start the whole academic year again in September.

It's not fair we know but nothing is fair in this shit storm.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

your kids educated by grand theft auto.

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By *rman82Man
over a year ago

Manchester

They were told the schools were not safe to open.

And ignored them .

That’s because they were safe to open.

And what are you basing that on?

The fact that kids aren’t at risk and we didn’t see a considerable rise in deaths in September.

Kids do get it so the teachers would be at risk. Deaths started moving upward at the end of Sept and Oct so would fit in with infections being caught in September

3 deaths 1st Sept, up to 71 on the 30th

Let's look at the 3 lockdowns in the UK.

Lockdown 1 all schools, Universities closed apart from a limited number of key worker children (average 10-20% of loss in school) infections dropped throughout that lockdown and at continuous pace.

Now to the current lockdown 3

Do you have any links to hard factual data or peer reviewed studies that show schools been open are not linked to a rise in covid infections?

KJ "

There are plenty of studies to show children aren’t at risk to the virus. There are also plenty of studies that show the infection rate rising doesn’t really mean anything, it’s about the death rate and hospitalisations. Neither of which grew significantly in September. Yes there was a slight rise but that was due to seasonality... there are plenty of studies that show viral infections spread more in the winter.

Given the elderly and vulnerable people will be vaccinated by early February I think the schools should definitely be open by then. But also, as this virus isn’t going anywhere and appears to mutate, just like the flu, which will means they will need a new vaccine each year, I think we need to learn to live with this virus, open the schools and get on with life. Kids need their education and I think the schools should never have been closed. Lockdown 99999 close the schools again.... sounds bleak doesn’t it? Well I’m afraid that is the reality of what you are suggesting.

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By *uzz And WoodyCouple
over a year ago

Maidstone

Kids may not suffer severe effects of covid but school staff are catching it from them and kids are taking it home to their families. Our local ITU is full with people in their 30s-50s. I know some people feel school staff are irrelevant but they are people too and have families of their own to consider. A child losing a parent has a devastating effect. Reducing mixing is the only way we can get this under control whilst waiting for mass vaccination.

And yes, the elderly and vulnerable may be vaccinated within the next few weeks but the elderly and vulnerable weren’t the ones moving around in large groups, going to schools, pubs, shopping centres etc. Their vaccinations will have little impact upon the safety of the general population. It would have made sense to vaccinate the working generation and uni/secondary school students first maybe. It’s easier for the elderly and vulnerable to shield for an extra month or so.

Lou x

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By *pursChick aka ShortieWoman
over a year ago

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"Kids may not suffer severe effects of covid but school staff are catching it from them and kids are taking it home to their families. Our local ITU is full with people in their 30s-50s. I know some people feel school staff are irrelevant but they are people too and have families of their own to consider. A child losing a parent has a devastating effect. Reducing mixing is the only way we can get this under control whilst waiting for mass vaccination.

Lou x "

A flaw in that plan of yours, under 16s (might be under 18s) aren’t being vaccinated as it hasn’t been approved for that age group.

When I see comments like this all that springs to mind is lock up the old & vulnerable, keep kids out of school as I’d like my freedom back to go shopping, socialise with my friends & family..... the old, vulnerable and children would like that too

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over a year ago

The one thing we're struggling with regarding them going back to school is the fact that our eldest moves to high school in September. If they don't go back for a long enough period of time before the summer holidays then we're worried what problems this may cause to him and others in that situation.all well and good the government saying they'll support children who have missed out on x amount of learning during the pandemic but you can't learn them their primary school work once they hit high school

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By *oncupiscence73Woman
over a year ago

South

Lou x

A flaw in that plan of yours, under 16s (might be under 18s) aren’t being vaccinated as it hasn’t been approved for that age group.

It’s not a flawed plan at all the quickest way to open this up would be keyworkers first - the priority isn’t however to open things up it’s to protect the NHS from being overwhelmed.

Teens catch and spread but they as a rule don’t get as ill as adults. Teachers however are exposed to hundreds of kids daily with no sd or masks (definitely in primary) so the logic of those that can shield should shield ie the elderly that don’t work is certainly a view that could be taken if we want to open up quickly.

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By *oncupiscence73Woman
over a year ago

South

"The one thing we're struggling with regarding them going back to school is the fact that our eldest moves to high school in September. If they don't go back for a long enough period of time before the summer holidays then we're worried what problems this may cause to him and others in that situation.all well and good the government saying they'll support children who have missed out on x amount of learning during the pandemic but you can't learn them their primary school work once they hit high school

The last year of primary is consolidating their learning and preparing for SATS which aren’t happening. Most things in year 6 are all about transition ... residential, prom etc etc etc. Not much learning happens past Christmas tbh. They won’t miss anything as High school does their own assessments anyway. I’ve twins in year 6 and am a teacher I really wouldn’t worry about kids our kids age for me it’s more the older ones.

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By *oncupiscence73Woman
over a year ago

South

"We think perhaps the best way is to just write this whole year off then children start the whole academic year again in September.

It's not fair we know but nothing is fair in this shit storm."

Can’t do that as there is a whole raft of four year olds waiting to start wheee would they go in no one moves up?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Keep them all shut until it's over

Like OP said

Flat until September when they reopened

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By *uzz And WoodyCouple
over a year ago

Maidstone

Lou x

A flaw in that plan of yours, under 16s (might be under 18s) aren’t being vaccinated as it hasn’t been approved for that age group.

Not locking them up, keeping them safe for a month or so longer whilst those of working age get vaccinated so the country can try to get back on it’s feet. To vaccinate school staff would help get the children back to school. In general, It’s easier for people who do not work to stay home than it is for employed people.

Of course we would all like the chance to see friends and family, not that I’ll have much time to do that as I’m not one of those ladies who shops all day and meets friends for coffee, as you insinuated. I work full time and have done throughout the lockdowns. And as the mother of two teenagers I am fully aware of the impact this has upon their mental health and education.

Lou x

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By *heBirminghamWeekendMan
over a year ago

here

when the schools open, start the year from that point - operate through "normal" summer holiday, short half term in September, followed by an early, slightly extended Christmas break. term commences , with normal breaks, timetable from January to July 2022.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Fair enough, its our eldest though so of course we're gonna worry. We don't know what to expect he doesn't know what to expect and so on. The transition from primary school to high school has got to be scary for them in the first place never mind after having almost a year out of their normal educational setting. It may be slightly different for you being a teacher and having twins that will be by each others sides going in to that new setting though which is understandable

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By *pursChick aka ShortieWoman
over a year ago

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Lou x

A flaw in that plan of yours, under 16s (might be under 18s) aren’t being vaccinated as it hasn’t been approved for that age group.

Lou x

It’s not just a month or so longer though is it, as pushing them down the vaccination queue they will have a long wait for the 18-50 to get vaccinated.

There unfortunately is no wrong or right way and no one is going to agree on a right way. At the moment we have a vaccination plan, let’s stick to it and just get it done, then we can all get a little bit more freedom / normality back.

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By *pursChick aka ShortieWoman
over a year ago

On a mooch

"when the schools open, start the year from that point - operate through "normal" summer holiday, short half term in September, followed by an early, slightly extended Christmas break. term commences , with normal breaks, timetable from January to July 2022."

So do the teachers not deserve a break, they are working right now

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By *oncupiscence73Woman
over a year ago

South

Where will the funding come from to pay all the teachers through summer? I’m sure millions of supply teachers who haven’t been working will be more than willing to volunteer. State employed teachers however are working and won’t work for free all summer. I don’t foresee Doris forking out for this.

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By *oncupiscence73Woman
over a year ago

South

One of mine is SEN so no not the same school. I think it’s as scary as we make it. They’ve never done it so they don’t know what is ‘normal’ I’m sure by the time the summer arrives they’ll have all their transition stuff as usual tbh but if not then the virtual tours and meet the teacher zooms seemed to work well last year. We I believe as parents set the tone if we bleat on about how much they’ve missed abs how it’s a shame then they will feel it - if we get on and teach them resilience they will be stronger adults.

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By *heBirminghamWeekendMan
over a year ago

here

So do the teachers not deserve a break, they are working right now "

It's not an attack, nor is it an opinion that teachers are not working at the moment.

It's an idea to try and bridge a very disjointed and disruptive period of schooling.

If a huge majority of teachers said "we don't like this idea because we worry when we might have some down time, however how about moving xxxxx" it becomes so much more constructive than simply a flat "no"

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

There are lots of amazing teachers out there who will never receive the thanks they deserve for working throughout the pandemic. There are also a few teachers that simply can't be arsed. Over the last 2 weeks one child has received 1 piece of work a day (out of the 3 hes supposed to get) and another of our children receives work that looks like its been set by a 3 year old. Who knew both hands on a clock were the same size

and how am I meant to teach him which hand of a clock means what when a teacher can't draw 2 different sized lines

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By *oncupiscence73Woman
over a year ago

South

and how am I meant to teach him which hand of a clock means what when a teacher can't draw 2 different sized lines

Then that is an issue as it’s a statutory requirement for schools to provide 4 hours learning a day. I know I would be talking to the head if that is all that was provided regardless of the quality of work teachers aren’t paid for school holidays (we get paid during them for work already done for ease of payroll) so for schools to be at capacity in the holidays teachers would need to be paid so that’s a 25% increase in budget for school salaries that has to be found.

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By *exy_HornyCouple
over a year ago

Leigh

Can't do that, we have our ferries to France booked

Even if that trip isn't possible we'll try and travel the UK in the motorhome.

Our daughter is loving the working from home, and doing really well. Why should she be penalised by having her holiday taken away just so the ones who won't learn can "catch up"?

She has been getting up at 0645 every day, walking for 4 miles exercise, starting work at 0830 so she is finished by 2pm. Half her lazy classmates are just getting up then

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By *parklesueTV/TS
over a year ago

Middleton

Can anyone give me a valid reason why we can’t just write this year off as regards schools and reboot from September ie keep all students at the same level as they would have been last September but a year later

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By *parklesueTV/TS
over a year ago

Middleton

And the same with university

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By *uzz And WoodyCouple
over a year ago

Maidstone

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By *uzz And WoodyCouple
over a year ago

Maidstone

"Can anyone give me a valid reason why we can’t just write this year off as regards schools and reboot from September ie keep all students at the same level as they would have been last September but a year later "

Because pre-school children will have to stay at pre-school for longer and there’s no capacity. To stop toddlers going to pre-school could delay their development and parents may not be able to defer work or afford childcare.

Teenagers/young adults want to get working ASAP, they don’t want an extra year at school/uni.

It will have a knock on effect forever more.

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By *exy_HornyCouple
over a year ago

Leigh

Again, why penalize the diligent and motivated ones? Surely this will demotivate them if they see it pays to be lazy?

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By *oncupiscence73Woman
over a year ago

South

What Would happen to the four year olds waiting to start?

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By *pursChick aka ShortieWoman
over a year ago

On a mooch

So do the teachers not deserve a break, they are working right now

It's not an attack, nor is it an opinion that teachers are not working at the moment.

It's an idea to try and bridge a very disjointed and disruptive period of schooling.

Aware of that but when do they get a break or the kids for that matter, schooling hasn’t stopped or was it the intention of the idea to stop schooling now and start again in July ?

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By *rman82Man
over a year ago

Manchester

They were told the schools were not safe to open.

And ignored them .

That’s because they were safe to open.

And what are you basing that on?

The fact that kids aren’t at risk and we didn’t see a considerable rise in deaths in September.

Kids do get it so the teachers would be at risk. Deaths started moving upward at the end of Sept and Oct so would fit in with infections being caught in September

3 deaths 1st Sept, up to 71 on the 30th

Let's look at the 3 lockdowns in the UK.

Lockdown 1 all schools, Universities closed apart from a limited number of key worker children (average 10-20% of loss in school) infections dropped throughout that lockdown and at continuous pace.

Now to the current lockdown 3

Do you have any links to hard factual data or peer reviewed studies that show schools been open are not linked to a rise in covid infections?

I'm not suggesting anything just stating facts based on actual hard data.

Can you share your sources then please to show schools don't effect transmission of virus.

Also yes 99.999...% of children are absolutely fine with covid and in know danger at all. Please don't say I said things I didn't read my post again.

I also believe schools been closed is causing terrible damaged that will create a devasting lasting legacy long after covid to children's opportunities and sadly thier mental health.

Thankfully in lockdown 3 the reason over half of children are still in school is a, due to more jobs been considered essential but also its because any children deemed venerable in terms of working from home are allowed to go into school. One of my 12 yr old nephews has dealt with lockdowns / covid really badly he has been locked in his bedroom for days on end with the curtains never opening totally withdrawing himself from the world around him. His parents are on furlough but the school so not eligible to send him to school under key workers rule. However the school work closely with the parents and agree him going to school and hhaving the routine that brings is vital to his mental health.

Facts are based on countless worldwide studies is schools are a high trammission area for covid. Due in part to the volume of children who can get it without showing symptoms.

Fact schools been closed is causing widespread damaged to a huge amount of children. There's children couped up with parents under more stress than normal under each others feet. There's a clear rise in domestic abuse and sadly thousands of children are stuck at home with that.

The damage not seeing friends for almost a year, not doing sports, out door activities, missing exams the list is sadly endless.

Single adults have support bubbles to there boy friend girlfriend.

Sadly teens are overlooked when it comes to the same.

Let's spare a thought for the teenagers who obviously still live with a who are unable to see their girlfriend / boy friend (who also lives with their own parent / parents / guardian. If they are lucky and live in the same town / estate then they may be able to go on a social distanced walk in the park under exercise. When I was 15 and with my first love those year were precious and you only get them once. I can't even begin to imagine what its like going through those teen years during covid / lockdowns etc.

Do you have a source that shows they do spread the virus and that this isn’t just seasonal fluctuations?

It may well be that more kids are in school but unfortunately these children are not being taught the full curriculum as this would result in the other kids falling behind.

Regardless it sounds like we agree on the negative impact this has.

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By *ady LickWoman
over a year ago

Northampton Somewhere

What's his name Van Tam said in the press conference the other night that while children can get it it's usually mild. Mixing is the problem, kids picking it up and transmitting it to other family members.

They were going to do lateral testing which would of helped but I believe they've decided against it now. Probably due to lack of staff being able to do the tests?

I'd be happy for mine to do half a summer school. I've got teacher friends, some are all for this, some aren't. Those ones always do a countdown to when their next school holiday is!

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over a year ago

They were told the schools were not safe to open.

And ignored them .

That’s because they were safe to open.

And what are you basing that on?

The fact that kids aren’t at risk and we didn’t see a considerable rise in deaths in September.

Kids do get it so the teachers would be at risk. Deaths started moving upward at the end of Sept and Oct so would fit in with infections being caught in September

3 deaths 1st Sept, up to 71 on the 30th

Let's look at the 3 lockdowns in the UK.

Lockdown 1 all schools, Universities closed apart from a limited number of key worker children (average 10-20% of loss in school) infections dropped throughout that lockdown and at continuous pace.

Now to the current lockdown 3

Do you have any links to hard factual data or peer reviewed studies that show schools been open are not linked to a rise in covid infections?

I'm not suggesting anything just stating facts based on actual hard data.

Can you share your sources then please to show schools don't have much effect in terms of transmission of virus. Some peer reviewed studies on the issue would be great as well as I'd be very keen to read them.

Also yes 99.999...% of children are absolutely fine with covid and in no danger health wise at all. Please don't say I said things I didn't read my post again.

I also believe schools been closed is causing terrible damaged that will create a devasting lasting legacy long after covid to children's opportunities and sadly to their mental health.

Thankfully in lockdown 3 the reason over half of children are still in school is a, due to more jobs been considered essential but also its because any children deemed vulnerable if they have to work from home are allowed to go into school as well.

One of my 12 yr old nephews has dealt with the lockdowns / covid really badly. He has been locked in his bedroom for days on end with the curtains never opening totally withdrawing himself from the world around him, its like seeing the person he is slowly disappear bit by bit. His parents are on furlough so are not eligible to send him to school under key workers rule. However the school works closely with the parents and agreed for him to go into school as having the routine that brings is vital to his mental health.

Fact (based on countless worldwide studies) is sadly schools are a high trammission area for covid. Due in part to the volume of children who can get it without showing symptoms.

The damage not seeing friends for almost a year, not doing sports, outdoor activities, missing exams the list is sadly endless.

Single adults have support bubbles to go see there boy friend girlfriend, be intimate, cuddle stay overnight etc.

Sadly teens are overlooked when it comes to their relationships.

Let's spare a thought for the teenagers who obviously still live with a parent / parents / guardian are unable to see / cuddle, kiss etc their girlfriend / boyfriend (who also lives with their own parent / parents / guardian).

If they are lucky and live in the same town / estate then they may be able to go on a social distanced walk in the park (under exercise). When I was 15 and with my first love those year were precious and you only get to live them once. I can't even begin to imagine what its like going through your teen years during covid / lockdowns.

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By *ucka39Man
over a year ago

Newcastle

Opening up schools or colleges when you are trying to control a wide spread virus is going to just escalate into more people being infected and most likely dying and given the gap between each injection and still being considered as a carrier for the virus either with one or both plus given animals have been known to be infected yes house hold pets more people will continue to die at times in life will be a huge sacrifice whether it's lacking education or human life but is also a choice for the better of humanity

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By *oncupiscence73Woman
over a year ago

South

"What's his name Van Tam said in the press conference the other night that while children can get it it's usually mild. Mixing is the problem, kids picking it up and transmitting it to other family members.

They were going to do lateral testing which would of helped but I believe they've decided against it now. Probably due to lack of staff being able to do the tests?

I'd be happy for mine to do half a summer school. I've got teacher friends, some are all for this, some aren't. Those ones always do a countdown to when their next school holiday is! "

Your teacher friends are happy to work for free? Wow I wouldn’t ...