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"Having meekly accepted that the government can ban you from going abroad, forbid you from leaving home except for essential journeys. Make it illegal to meet your friends or open your business. Don't be surprised, in a couple of years time, when they tell you that, to save the planet, you can no longer take a foreign holiday. That you can only use your car for essential journeys. When you see what they are willing to ban for a risk to 0.6% of the population with an average age over 80, just imagine the rules they will enforce to "save us all from extinction"." Try telling this to the 100,000 families in this country alone. Me being one of those grieving. Abide by the rules as best you can and don't be a dick about it. | |||
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"Your proposition falls at the simple conclusion that you have drawn about the sum total of the health problem from Sars-Cov-2. This virus causes major health problems way in excess of the tragedy of c. 100,000 lives lost. " Like all diseases, most recover quickly (ebola, I grant you, is an exception), a tiny minority take longer. Of course if you're confined to a 1 bedroom flat during lock down then your recovery is not going to be stellar, even from a cold. This is largely government trying to find another way to convince the young that covid is any threat to them. | |||
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"Having meekly accepted that the government can ban you from going abroad, forbid you from leaving home except for essential journeys. Make it illegal to meet your friends or open your business. Don't be surprised, in a couple of years time, when they tell you that, to save the planet, you can no longer take a foreign holiday. That you can only use your car for essential journeys. When you see what they are willing to ban for a risk to 0.6% of the population with an average age over 80, just imagine the rules they will enforce to "save us all from extinction". Try telling this to the 100,000 families in this country alone. Me being one of those grieving. Abide by the rules as best you can and don't be a dick about it. " And people say the art of debate has been lost. | |||
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"Having meekly accepted that the government can ban you from going abroad, forbid you from leaving home except for essential journeys. Make it illegal to meet your friends or open your business. Don't be surprised, in a couple of years time, when they tell you that, to save the planet, you can no longer take a foreign holiday. That you can only use your car for essential journeys. When you see what they are willing to ban for a risk to 0.6% of the population with an average age over 80, just imagine the rules they will enforce to "save us all from extinction". Try telling this to the 100,000 families in this country alone. Me being one of those grieving. Abide by the rules as best you can and don't be a dick about it. And people say the art of debate has been lost." I probably shouldn't even respond. My brother was 35. This thing is real. Younger people are also getting ill. I realise now how lucky I was that covid didn't take me with my additional health conditions. | |||
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"Having meekly accepted that the government can ban you from going abroad, forbid you from leaving home except for essential journeys. Make it illegal to meet your friends or open your business. Don't be surprised, in a couple of years time, when they tell you that, to save the planet, you can no longer take a foreign holiday. That you can only use your car for essential journeys. When you see what they are willing to ban for a risk to 0.6% of the population with an average age over 80, just imagine the rules they will enforce to "save us all from extinction". Try telling this to the 100,000 families in this country alone. Me being one of those grieving. Abide by the rules as best you can and don't be a dick about it. And people say the art of debate has been lost. I probably shouldn't even respond. My brother was 35. This thing is real. Younger people are also getting ill. I realise now how lucky I was that covid didn't take me with my additional health conditions." Then your brother 10 more years than mine. | |||
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"Having meekly accepted that the government can ban you from going abroad, forbid you from leaving home except for essential journeys. Make it illegal to meet your friends or open your business. Don't be surprised, in a couple of years time, when they tell you that, to save the planet, you can no longer take a foreign holiday. That you can only use your car for essential journeys. When you see what they are willing to ban for a risk to 0.6% of the population with an average age over 80, just imagine the rules they will enforce to "save us all from extinction". Try telling this to the 100,000 families in this country alone. Me being one of those grieving. Abide by the rules as best you can and don't be a dick about it. And people say the art of debate has been lost. I probably shouldn't even respond. My brother was 35. This thing is real. Younger people are also getting ill. I realise now how lucky I was that covid didn't take me with my additional health conditions. Then your brother 10 more years than mine." but like you say, your brother is just a statistic | |||
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"Your proposition falls at the simple conclusion that you have drawn about the sum total of the health problem from Sars-Cov-2. This virus causes major health problems way in excess of the tragedy of c. 100,000 lives lost. Like all diseases, most recover quickly (ebola, I grant you, is an exception), a tiny minority take longer. Of course if you're confined to a 1 bedroom flat during lock down then your recovery is not going to be stellar, even from a cold. This is largely government trying to find another way to convince the young that covid is any threat to them." My granddaughter became ill just before Christmas and asked my daughter for a Covid test, because she didn't want to see me and potentially make me very ill. She tested positive and they isolated all over Christmas. Some young children care about their older relatives. | |||
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"Having meekly accepted that the government can ban you from going abroad, forbid you from leaving home except for essential journeys. Make it illegal to meet your friends or open your business. Don't be surprised, in a couple of years time, when they tell you that, to save the planet, you can no longer take a foreign holiday. That you can only use your car for essential journeys. When you see what they are willing to ban for a risk to 0.6% of the population with an average age over 80, just imagine the rules they will enforce to "save us all from extinction"." The car thing would b a good idea imo! Get on yr bikes u lazy lot! x | |||
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"Ok just think the OP is pissed off he can't travel... To be fair ... Why the fuck wouldn't you just do as your told right now...it's big picture time..." I'm fine thanks, I live in Paris at the moment and have been in the South of France this weekend in glorious sunshine. | |||
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"Getting back to the original topic. No doubt next time we have poor air quality in London, instead of the usual advice for vulnerable people to shut their windows and avoid hard exercise, they will ban all but essential car journeys for a minimum of two weeks and then decide whether they they might relax the rules a little. The next time there is a heatwave, they will ban all non essential flights until the temperature comes back down below 15 degrees. As we head in to autumn they will start to ease restrictions pointing to how quickly the temperatures came down once people stuck to the rules." Good to know you don’t think global warming is a problem either. | |||
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"Having meekly accepted that the government can ban you from going abroad, forbid you from leaving home except for essential journeys. Make it illegal to meet your friends or open your business. Don't be surprised, in a couple of years time, when they tell you that, to save the planet, you can no longer take a foreign holiday. That you can only use your car for essential journeys. When you see what they are willing to ban for a risk to 0.6% of the population with an average age over 80, just imagine the rules they will enforce to "save us all from extinction"." My Experience 29 year old been in hospital for 3 months now on a vent 37 year old recovering at home after being in hospital is now trying to learn how to walk again 46 year old in hospital not in ICU but her kids are in care as she’s a single parent 60 year old contracted it gave it to her dad whom she buried last week 7 year old contracted gave it to both grandparents who died Soooo no direct deaths there but just look at the devastation to these ‘people who won’t die’ I have so many things I want to say to you but you’re not worth the ban. | |||
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"Having meekly accepted that the government can ban you from going abroad, forbid you from leaving home except for essential journeys. Make it illegal to meet your friends or open your business. Don't be surprised, in a couple of years time, when they tell you that, to save the planet, you can no longer take a foreign holiday. That you can only use your car for essential journeys. When you see what they are willing to ban for a risk to 0.6% of the population with an average age over 80, just imagine the rules they will enforce to "save us all from extinction"." I don't image they would enforce any laws to prevent your extinction. DBNC may be placed on your cert if anyone was interested. | |||
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"Ok just think the OP is pissed off he can't travel... To be fair ... Why the fuck wouldn't you just do as your told right now...it's big picture time... I'm fine thanks, I live in Paris at the moment and have been in the South of France this weekend in glorious sunshine." I'm calling BS OP!!!! RESTRICTIONS AND REQUIREMENTS IN METROPOLITAN FRANCE A nightly curfew is currently in force in metropolitan France. Between 6PM and 6AM you may only leave your residence for the following reasons and with an exemption certificate: Commuting to and from work, school or training place; carrying out essential business trips that cannot be postponed; Medical appointments that cannot be carried out remotely or postponed; Essential family reasons, assisting vulnerable persons, persons in a precarious situation or taking care of children; Persons with a disability and their accompanying person; Judicial or administrative summons; Participating in a mission of general interest upon request from an administrative authority; Air or rail transit related to long distance journeys; Walking a pet outdoors within 1km of one’s place of residence and for a brief amount of time. | |||
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"Ok just think the OP is pissed off he can't travel... To be fair ... Why the fuck wouldn't you just do as your told right now...it's big picture time... I'm fine thanks, I live in Paris at the moment and have been in the South of France this weekend in glorious sunshine. I'm calling BS OP!!!! RESTRICTIONS AND REQUIREMENTS IN METROPOLITAN FRANCE A nightly curfew is currently in force in metropolitan France. Between 6PM and 6AM you may only leave your residence for the following reasons and with an exemption certificate: Commuting to and from work, school or training place; carrying out essential business trips that cannot be postponed; Medical appointments that cannot be carried out remotely or postponed; Essential family reasons, assisting vulnerable persons, persons in a precarious situation or taking care of children; Persons with a disability and their accompanying person; Judicial or administrative summons; Participating in a mission of general interest upon request from an administrative authority; Air or rail transit related to long distance journeys; Walking a pet outdoors within 1km of one’s place of residence and for a brief amount of time." He’s showing as 40 miles away from Essex right now too ..... hahah busted | |||
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"Ok just think the OP is pissed off he can't travel... To be fair ... Why the fuck wouldn't you just do as your told right now...it's big picture time... I'm fine thanks, I live in Paris at the moment and have been in the South of France this weekend in glorious sunshine. I'm calling BS OP!!!! RESTRICTIONS AND REQUIREMENTS IN METROPOLITAN FRANCE A nightly curfew is currently in force in metropolitan France. Between 6PM and 6AM you may only leave your residence for the following reasons and with an exemption certificate: Commuting to and from work, school or training place; carrying out essential business trips that cannot be postponed; Medical appointments that cannot be carried out remotely or postponed; Essential family reasons, assisting vulnerable persons, persons in a precarious situation or taking care of children; Persons with a disability and their accompanying person; Judicial or administrative summons; Participating in a mission of general interest upon request from an administrative authority; Air or rail transit related to long distance journeys; Walking a pet outdoors within 1km of one’s place of residence and for a brief amount of time. He’s showing as 40 miles away from Essex right now too ..... hahah busted " Hahahaha. Must have flown in on his micro and landed under dark this morning. | |||
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" I'm calling BS OP!!!! He’s showing as 40 miles away from Essex right now too ..... hahah busted Hahahaha. Must have flown in on his micro and landed under dark this morning. " Let's hope the OP didn't crash and burn...like this post/well. His views etc... | |||
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"Having meekly accepted that the government can ban you from going abroad, forbid you from leaving home except for essential journeys. Make it illegal to meet your friends or open your business. Don't be surprised, in a couple of years time, when they tell you that, to save the planet, you can no longer take a foreign holiday. That you can only use your car for essential journeys. When you see what they are willing to ban for a risk to 0.6% of the population with an average age over 80, just imagine the rules they will enforce to "save us all from extinction". Try telling this to the 100,000 families in this country alone. Me being one of those grieving. Abide by the rules as best you can and don't be a dick about it. And people say the art of debate has been lost." Thing is when you've lost someone close to it... The patience to debate is hard to find. Oh my freedom oh my car oh my holiday oh my selfish needs.... Granted theres a need for balance but nobody is going to tell me that an avoidable death of someone I loved should be debated. Let's all stop spreading it sooner then we cna get back to a better place. The irony of all the freedom fighters actions is they just elongate this for everyone. | |||
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"Your proposition falls at the simple conclusion that you have drawn about the sum total of the health problem from Sars-Cov-2. This virus causes major health problems way in excess of the tragedy of c. 100,000 lives lost. Like all diseases, most recover quickly (ebola, I grant you, is an exception), a tiny minority take longer. Of course if you're confined to a 1 bedroom flat during lock down then your recovery is not going to be stellar, even from a cold. This is largely government trying to find another way to convince the young that covid is any threat to them." Why? | |||
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"Having meekly accepted that the government can ban you from going abroad, forbid you from leaving home except for essential journeys. Make it illegal to meet your friends or open your business. Don't be surprised, in a couple of years time, when they tell you that, to save the planet, you can no longer take a foreign holiday. That you can only use your car for essential journeys. When you see what they are willing to ban for a risk to 0.6% of the population with an average age over 80, just imagine the rules they will enforce to "save us all from extinction". Try telling this to the 100,000 families in this country alone. Me being one of those grieving. Abide by the rules as best you can and don't be a dick about it. And people say the art of debate has been lost." if that's art I will go with the other pic | |||
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"Ok just think the OP is pissed off he can't travel... To be fair ... Why the fuck wouldn't you just do as your told right now...it's big picture time... I'm fine thanks, I live in Paris at the moment and have been in the South of France this weekend in glorious sunshine. I'm calling BS OP!!!! RESTRICTIONS AND REQUIREMENTS IN METROPOLITAN FRANCE A nightly curfew is currently in force in metropolitan France. Between 6PM and 6AM you may only leave your residence for the following reasons and with an exemption certificate: Commuting to and from work, school or training place; carrying out essential business trips that cannot be postponed; Medical appointments that cannot be carried out remotely or postponed; Essential family reasons, assisting vulnerable persons, persons in a precarious situation or taking care of children; Persons with a disability and their accompanying person; Judicial or administrative summons; Participating in a mission of general interest upon request from an administrative authority; Air or rail transit related to long distance journeys; Walking a pet outdoors within 1km of one’s place of residence and for a brief amount of time. He’s showing as 40 miles away from Essex right now too ..... hahah busted " Now why doesn't that surprise me | |||
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"Getting back to the original topic. No doubt next time we have poor air quality in London, instead of the usual advice for vulnerable people to shut their windows and avoid hard exercise, they will ban all but essential car journeys for a minimum of two weeks and then decide whether they they might relax the rules a little. The next time there is a heatwave, they will ban all non essential flights until the temperature comes back down below 15 degrees. As we head in to autumn they will start to ease restrictions pointing to how quickly the temperatures came down once people stuck to the rules. Good to know you don’t think global warming is a problem either." They are predicting 2 degrees of warming by the end of the century. I've moved from London to Paris. Now Paris is on average 2 degrees warmer than London and, spoiler alert, it's actually better. I'm afraid however that you will be long dead before you get to experience it. Unless of course you go out of your way to travel somewhere warmer, which ironically, is what a larger number of brits pay to do, even at the height of the British summer. | |||
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"Ok just think the OP is pissed off he can't travel... To be fair ... Why the fuck wouldn't you just do as your told right now...it's big picture time... I'm fine thanks, I live in Paris at the moment and have been in the South of France this weekend in glorious sunshine. I'm calling BS OP!!!! RESTRICTIONS AND REQUIREMENTS IN METROPOLITAN FRANCE A nightly curfew is currently in force in metropolitan France. Between 6PM and 6AM you may only leave your residence for the following reasons and with an exemption certificate: Commuting to and from work, school or training place; carrying out essential business trips that cannot be postponed; Medical appointments that cannot be carried out remotely or postponed; Essential family reasons, assisting vulnerable persons, persons in a precarious situation or taking care of children; Persons with a disability and their accompanying person; Judicial or administrative summons; Participating in a mission of general interest upon request from an administrative authority; Air or rail transit related to long distance journeys; Walking a pet outdoors within 1km of one’s place of residence and for a brief amount of time. He’s showing as 40 miles away from Essex right now too ..... hahah busted " For the non-believers I have switched on my location so full your boots. As for the curfew you quote, I caught a TGV from Paris at 7:39am, which thanks to the wonderful French rail system, got me to Aix en Provence at 10:40. No rules broken I'm happy to report. From there to the coast in a rental car. | |||
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"Ok just think the OP is pissed off he can't travel... To be fair ... Why the fuck wouldn't you just do as your told right now...it's big picture time... I'm fine thanks, I live in Paris at the moment and have been in the South of France this weekend in glorious sunshine. I'm calling BS OP!!!! RESTRICTIONS AND REQUIREMENTS IN METROPOLITAN FRANCE A nightly curfew is currently in force in metropolitan France. Between 6PM and 6AM you may only leave your residence for the following reasons and with an exemption certificate: Commuting to and from work, school or training place; carrying out essential business trips that cannot be postponed; Medical appointments that cannot be carried out remotely or postponed; Essential family reasons, assisting vulnerable persons, persons in a precarious situation or taking care of children; Persons with a disability and their accompanying person; Judicial or administrative summons; Participating in a mission of general interest upon request from an administrative authority; Air or rail transit related to long distance journeys; Walking a pet outdoors within 1km of one’s place of residence and for a brief amount of time. He’s showing as 40 miles away from Essex right now too ..... hahah busted Now why doesn't that surprise me Same posting 'style' as another covid denier on here? Who will no doubt be supporting Essex boy some time.. They always slip up when location says they are in one place and they say they are in another...one would forget who one was eh Apology accepted." For what? | |||
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"Ok just think the OP is pissed off he can't travel... To be fair ... Why the fuck wouldn't you just do as your told right now...it's big picture time... I'm fine thanks, I live in Paris at the moment and have been in the South of France this weekend in glorious sunshine. I'm calling BS OP!!!! RESTRICTIONS AND REQUIREMENTS IN METROPOLITAN FRANCE A nightly curfew is currently in force in metropolitan France. Between 6PM and 6AM you may only leave your residence for the following reasons and with an exemption certificate: Commuting to and from work, school or training place; carrying out essential business trips that cannot be postponed; Medical appointments that cannot be carried out remotely or postponed; Essential family reasons, assisting vulnerable persons, persons in a precarious situation or taking care of children; Persons with a disability and their accompanying person; Judicial or administrative summons; Participating in a mission of general interest upon request from an administrative authority; Air or rail transit related to long distance journeys; Walking a pet outdoors within 1km of one’s place of residence and for a brief amount of time. He’s showing as 40 miles away from Essex right now too ..... hahah busted For the non-believers I have switched on my location so full your boots. As for the curfew you quote, I caught a TGV from Paris at 7:39am, which thanks to the wonderful French rail system, got me to Aix en Provence at 10:40. No rules broken I'm happy to report. From there to the coast in a rental car." You’ve simply changed your postcode we could all do that look I’m in France too | |||
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"Ok just think the OP is pissed off he can't travel... To be fair ... Why the fuck wouldn't you just do as your told right now...it's big picture time... I'm fine thanks, I live in Paris at the moment and have been in the South of France this weekend in glorious sunshine. I'm calling BS OP!!!! RESTRICTIONS AND REQUIREMENTS IN METROPOLITAN FRANCE A nightly curfew is currently in force in metropolitan France. Between 6PM and 6AM you may only leave your residence for the following reasons and with an exemption certificate: Commuting to and from work, school or training place; carrying out essential business trips that cannot be postponed; Medical appointments that cannot be carried out remotely or postponed; Essential family reasons, assisting vulnerable persons, persons in a precarious situation or taking care of children; Persons with a disability and their accompanying person; Judicial or administrative summons; Participating in a mission of general interest upon request from an administrative authority; Air or rail transit related to long distance journeys; Walking a pet outdoors within 1km of one’s place of residence and for a brief amount of time. He’s showing as 40 miles away from Essex right now too ..... hahah busted Now why doesn't that surprise me Same posting 'style' as another covid denier on here? Who will no doubt be supporting Essex boy some time.. They always slip up when location says they are in one place and they say they are in another...one would forget who one was eh Apology accepted. For what?" Suggesting I was not where I said I was, but that seems to be a metaphor for the way people dismiss what people are saying as lies until their nose is actually rubbed in it. | |||
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"Ok just think the OP is pissed off he can't travel... To be fair ... Why the fuck wouldn't you just do as your told right now...it's big picture time... I'm fine thanks, I live in Paris at the moment and have been in the South of France this weekend in glorious sunshine. I'm calling BS OP!!!! RESTRICTIONS AND REQUIREMENTS IN METROPOLITAN FRANCE A nightly curfew is currently in force in metropolitan France. Between 6PM and 6AM you may only leave your residence for the following reasons and with an exemption certificate: Commuting to and from work, school or training place; carrying out essential business trips that cannot be postponed; Medical appointments that cannot be carried out remotely or postponed; Essential family reasons, assisting vulnerable persons, persons in a precarious situation or taking care of children; Persons with a disability and their accompanying person; Judicial or administrative summons; Participating in a mission of general interest upon request from an administrative authority; Air or rail transit related to long distance journeys; Walking a pet outdoors within 1km of one’s place of residence and for a brief amount of time. He’s showing as 40 miles away from Essex right now too ..... hahah busted For the non-believers I have switched on my location so full your boots. As for the curfew you quote, I caught a TGV from Paris at 7:39am, which thanks to the wonderful French rail system, got me to Aix en Provence at 10:40. No rules broken I'm happy to report. From there to the coast in a rental car. You’ve simply changed your postcode we could all do that look I’m in France too " That part is true but by turning your location services on will give you an accurate location. Which he has done. Now my geography is rubbish but he's 600 miles away from me, pretty sure that means he isn't in England | |||
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"Ok just think the OP is pissed off he can't travel... To be fair ... Why the fuck wouldn't you just do as your told right now...it's big picture time... I'm fine thanks, I live in Paris at the moment and have been in the South of France this weekend in glorious sunshine. I'm calling BS OP!!!! RESTRICTIONS AND REQUIREMENTS IN METROPOLITAN FRANCE A nightly curfew is currently in force in metropolitan France. Between 6PM and 6AM you may only leave your residence for the following reasons and with an exemption certificate: Commuting to and from work, school or training place; carrying out essential business trips that cannot be postponed; Medical appointments that cannot be carried out remotely or postponed; Essential family reasons, assisting vulnerable persons, persons in a precarious situation or taking care of children; Persons with a disability and their accompanying person; Judicial or administrative summons; Participating in a mission of general interest upon request from an administrative authority; Air or rail transit related to long distance journeys; Walking a pet outdoors within 1km of one’s place of residence and for a brief amount of time. He’s showing as 40 miles away from Essex right now too ..... hahah busted For the non-believers I have switched on my location so full your boots. As for the curfew you quote, I caught a TGV from Paris at 7:39am, which thanks to the wonderful French rail system, got me to Aix en Provence at 10:40. No rules broken I'm happy to report. From there to the coast in a rental car. You’ve simply changed your postcode we could all do that look I’m in France too " I think you will find my position is reported by mobile. | |||
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"Ok just think the OP is pissed off he can't travel... To be fair ... Why the fuck wouldn't you just do as your told right now...it's big picture time... I'm fine thanks, I live in Paris at the moment and have been in the South of France this weekend in glorious sunshine. I'm calling BS OP!!!! RESTRICTIONS AND REQUIREMENTS IN METROPOLITAN FRANCE A nightly curfew is currently in force in metropolitan France. Between 6PM and 6AM you may only leave your residence for the following reasons and with an exemption certificate: Commuting to and from work, school or training place; carrying out essential business trips that cannot be postponed; Medical appointments that cannot be carried out remotely or postponed; Essential family reasons, assisting vulnerable persons, persons in a precarious situation or taking care of children; Persons with a disability and their accompanying person; Judicial or administrative summons; Participating in a mission of general interest upon request from an administrative authority; Air or rail transit related to long distance journeys; Walking a pet outdoors within 1km of one’s place of residence and for a brief amount of time. He’s showing as 40 miles away from Essex right now too ..... hahah busted Now why doesn't that surprise me Same posting 'style' as another covid denier on here? Who will no doubt be supporting Essex boy some time.. They always slip up when location says they are in one place and they say they are in another...one would forget who one was eh Apology accepted. For what? Suggesting I was not where I said I was, but that seems to be a metaphor for the way people dismiss what people are saying as lies until their nose is actually rubbed in it." You haven’t addressed my post listing the people who’s lives have been destroyed by covid ... or doesn’t the truth fit your narrative? | |||
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"Ok just think the OP is pissed off he can't travel... To be fair ... Why the fuck wouldn't you just do as your told right now...it's big picture time... I'm fine thanks, I live in Paris at the moment and have been in the South of France this weekend in glorious sunshine. I'm calling BS OP!!!! RESTRICTIONS AND REQUIREMENTS IN METROPOLITAN FRANCE A nightly curfew is currently in force in metropolitan France. Between 6PM and 6AM you may only leave your residence for the following reasons and with an exemption certificate: Commuting to and from work, school or training place; carrying out essential business trips that cannot be postponed; Medical appointments that cannot be carried out remotely or postponed; Essential family reasons, assisting vulnerable persons, persons in a precarious situation or taking care of children; Persons with a disability and their accompanying person; Judicial or administrative summons; Participating in a mission of general interest upon request from an administrative authority; Air or rail transit related to long distance journeys; Walking a pet outdoors within 1km of one’s place of residence and for a brief amount of time. He’s showing as 40 miles away from Essex right now too ..... hahah busted For the non-believers I have switched on my location so full your boots. As for the curfew you quote, I caught a TGV from Paris at 7:39am, which thanks to the wonderful French rail system, got me to Aix en Provence at 10:40. No rules broken I'm happy to report. From there to the coast in a rental car. You’ve simply changed your postcode we could all do that look I’m in France too I think you will find my position is reported by mobile." I think you’ll find it’s easy to manipulate | |||
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"Ok just think the OP is pissed off he can't travel... To be fair ... Why the fuck wouldn't you just do as your told right now...it's big picture time... I'm fine thanks, I live in Paris at the moment and have been in the South of France this weekend in glorious sunshine. I'm calling BS OP!!!! RESTRICTIONS AND REQUIREMENTS IN METROPOLITAN FRANCE A nightly curfew is currently in force in metropolitan France. Between 6PM and 6AM you may only leave your residence for the following reasons and with an exemption certificate: Commuting to and from work, school or training place; carrying out essential business trips that cannot be postponed; Medical appointments that cannot be carried out remotely or postponed; Essential family reasons, assisting vulnerable persons, persons in a precarious situation or taking care of children; Persons with a disability and their accompanying person; Judicial or administrative summons; Participating in a mission of general interest upon request from an administrative authority; Air or rail transit related to long distance journeys; Walking a pet outdoors within 1km of one’s place of residence and for a brief amount of time. He’s showing as 40 miles away from Essex right now too ..... hahah busted For the non-believers I have switched on my location so full your boots. As for the curfew you quote, I caught a TGV from Paris at 7:39am, which thanks to the wonderful French rail system, got me to Aix en Provence at 10:40. No rules broken I'm happy to report. From there to the coast in a rental car. You’ve simply changed your postcode we could all do that look I’m in France too That part is true but by turning your location services on will give you an accurate location. Which he has done. Now my geography is rubbish but he's 600 miles away from me, pretty sure that means he isn't in England You can tell the website to tell you you’re from anywhere you please if you adjust your postcode the. Then turn your location off it will say your home postcode as location. " But his location services is on. Now again, I'm no expert but if you're suggesting he is good enough to manipulate GPS technology then I might actually just listen to him because he's a hell of a lot smarter than just about every single user on here | |||
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"Ok just think the OP is pissed off he can't travel... To be fair ... Why the fuck wouldn't you just do as your told right now...it's big picture time... I'm fine thanks, I live in Paris at the moment and have been in the South of France this weekend in glorious sunshine. I'm calling BS OP!!!! RESTRICTIONS AND REQUIREMENTS IN METROPOLITAN FRANCE A nightly curfew is currently in force in metropolitan France. Between 6PM and 6AM you may only leave your residence for the following reasons and with an exemption certificate: Commuting to and from work, school or training place; carrying out essential business trips that cannot be postponed; Medical appointments that cannot be carried out remotely or postponed; Essential family reasons, assisting vulnerable persons, persons in a precarious situation or taking care of children; Persons with a disability and their accompanying person; Judicial or administrative summons; Participating in a mission of general interest upon request from an administrative authority; Air or rail transit related to long distance journeys; Walking a pet outdoors within 1km of one’s place of residence and for a brief amount of time. He’s showing as 40 miles away from Essex right now too ..... hahah busted For the non-believers I have switched on my location so full your boots. As for the curfew you quote, I caught a TGV from Paris at 7:39am, which thanks to the wonderful French rail system, got me to Aix en Provence at 10:40. No rules broken I'm happy to report. From there to the coast in a rental car. You’ve simply changed your postcode we could all do that look I’m in France too That part is true but by turning your location services on will give you an accurate location. Which he has done. Now my geography is rubbish but he's 600 miles away from me, pretty sure that means he isn't in England You can tell the website to tell you you’re from anywhere you please if you adjust your postcode the. Then turn your location off it will say your home postcode as location. But his location services is on. Now again, I'm no expert but if you're suggesting he is good enough to manipulate GPS technology then I might actually just listen to him because he's a hell of a lot smarter than just about every single user on here " If you change your home location then click no when you are asked if you want your location shared it defaults to your home location. | |||
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"Your proposition falls at the simple conclusion that you have drawn about the sum total of the health problem from Sars-Cov-2. This virus causes major health problems way in excess of the tragedy of c. 100,000 lives lost. Like all diseases, most recover quickly (ebola, I grant you, is an exception), a tiny minority take longer. Of course if you're confined to a 1 bedroom flat during lock down then your recovery is not going to be stellar, even from a cold. This is largely government trying to find another way to conjvince the young that covid is any threat to them." Eeeerm I dont think you've been reading the stats and discussions between media or government. Not all recover quickly. I keep seeing 95-99% that not true at all. Some recover but endup returning for various issues which was related to them catching covid. Another group go back because covid has caused other issues organ failures, underlying issues made worse. Then there's long COVID-19. So no its not true theres quiet a percentage still suffering or have to return to hospital for medical intervention. I dont think anyone has quantified that percentage because they're too busy dealing with prevention and first time treatment. | |||
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"Ok just think the OP is pissed off he can't travel... To be fair ... Why the fuck wouldn't you just do as your told right now...it's big picture time... I'm fine thanks, I live in Paris at the moment and have been in the South of France this weekend in glorious sunshine. I'm calling BS OP!!!! RESTRICTIONS AND REQUIREMENTS IN METROPOLITAN FRANCE A nightly curfew is currently in force in metropolitan France. Between 6PM and 6AM you may only leave your residence for the following reasons and with an exemption certificate: Commuting to and from work, school or training place; carrying out essential business trips that cannot be postponed; Medical appointments that cannot be carried out remotely or postponed; Essential family reasons, assisting vulnerable persons, persons in a precarious situation or taking care of children; Persons with a disability and their accompanying person; Judicial or administrative summons; Participating in a mission of general interest upon request from an administrative authority; Air or rail transit related to long distance journeys; Walking a pet outdoors within 1km of one’s place of residence and for a brief amount of time. He’s showing as 40 miles away from Essex right now too ..... hahah busted For the non-believers I have switched on my location so full your boots. As for the curfew you quote, I caught a TGV from Paris at 7:39am, which thanks to the wonderful French rail system, got me to Aix en Provence at 10:40. No rules broken I'm happy to report. From there to the coast in a rental car. You’ve simply changed your postcode we could all do that look I’m in France too That part is true but by turning your location services on will give you an accurate location. Which he has done. Now my geography is rubbish but he's 600 miles away from me, pretty sure that means he isn't in England You can tell the website to tell you you’re from anywhere you please if you adjust your postcode the. Then turn your location off it will say your home postcode as location. But his location services is on. Now again, I'm no expert but if you're suggesting he is good enough to manipulate GPS technology then I might actually just listen to him because he's a hell of a lot smarter than just about every single user on here If you change your home location then click no when you are asked if you want your location shared it defaults to your home location. " I give up | |||
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"Your proposition falls at the simple conclusion that you have drawn about the sum total of the health problem from Sars-Cov-2. This virus causes major health problems way in excess of the tragedy of c. 100,000 lives lost. Like all diseases, most recover quickly (ebola, I grant you, is an exception), a tiny minority take longer. Of course if you're confined to a 1 bedroom flat during lock down then your recovery is not going to be stellar, even from a cold. This is largely government trying to find another way to conjvince the young that covid is any threat to them. Eeeerm I dont think you've been reading the stats and discussions between media or government. Not all recover quickly. I keep seeing 95-99% that not true at all. Some recover but endup returning for various issues which was related to them catching covid. Another group go back because covid has caused other issues organ failures, underlying issues made worse. Then there's long COVID-19. So no its not true theres quiet a percentage still suffering or have to return to hospital for medical intervention. I dont think anyone has quantified that percentage because they're too busy dealing with prevention and first time treatment." But they don't count because reasons and tyranny and freedom and fighting for democracy by partying. | |||
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"Ok just think the OP is pissed off he can't travel... To be fair ... Why the fuck wouldn't you just do as your told right now...it's big picture time... I'm fine thanks, I live in Paris at the moment and have been in the South of France this weekend in glorious sunshine. I'm calling BS OP!!!! RESTRICTIONS AND REQUIREMENTS IN METROPOLITAN FRANCE A nightly curfew is currently in force in metropolitan France. Between 6PM and 6AM you may only leave your residence for the following reasons and with an exemption certificate: Commuting to and from work, school or training place; carrying out essential business trips that cannot be postponed; Medical appointments that cannot be carried out remotely or postponed; Essential family reasons, assisting vulnerable persons, persons in a precarious situation or taking care of children; Persons with a disability and their accompanying person; Judicial or administrative summons; Participating in a mission of general interest upon request from an administrative authority; Air or rail transit related to long distance journeys; Walking a pet outdoors within 1km of one’s place of residence and for a brief amount of time. He’s showing as 40 miles away from Essex right now too ..... hahah busted For the non-believers I have switched on my location so full your boots. As for the curfew you quote, I caught a TGV from Paris at 7:39am, which thanks to the wonderful French rail system, got me to Aix en Provence at 10:40. No rules broken I'm happy to report. From there to the coast in a rental car. You’ve simply changed your postcode we could all do that look I’m in France too That part is true but by turning your location services on will give you an accurate location. Which he has done. Now my geography is rubbish but he's 600 miles away from me, pretty sure that means he isn't in England" It's easy to put a fake location in using the fake location app or similar one. Takes 2 mins to do and you can place yourself anywhere in the world, so location is no proof. | |||
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"Ok just think the OP is pissed off he can't travel... To be fair ... Why the fuck wouldn't you just do as your told right now...it's big picture time... I'm fine thanks, I live in Paris at the moment and have been in the South of France this weekend in glorious sunshine. I'm calling BS OP!!!! RESTRICTIONS AND REQUIREMENTS IN METROPOLITAN FRANCE A nightly curfew is currently in force in metropolitan France. Between 6PM and 6AM you may only leave your residence for the following reasons and with an exemption certificate: Commuting to and from work, school or training place; carrying out essential business trips that cannot be postponed; Medical appointments that cannot be carried out remotely or postponed; Essential family reasons, assisting vulnerable persons, persons in a precarious situation or taking care of children; Persons with a disability and their accompanying person; Judicial or administrative summons; Participating in a mission of general interest upon request from an administrative authority; Air or rail transit related to long distance journeys; Walking a pet outdoors within 1km of one’s place of residence and for a brief amount of time. He’s showing as 40 miles away from Essex right now too ..... hahah busted For the non-believers I have switched on my location so full your boots. As for the curfew you quote, I caught a TGV from Paris at 7:39am, which thanks to the wonderful French rail system, got me to Aix en Provence at 10:40. No rules broken I'm happy to report. From there to the coast in a rental car. You’ve simply changed your postcode we could all do that look I’m in France too That part is true but by turning your location services on will give you an accurate location. Which he has done. Now my geography is rubbish but he's 600 miles away from me, pretty sure that means he isn't in England You can tell the website to tell you you’re from anywhere you please if you adjust your postcode the. Then turn your location off it will say your home postcode as location. But his location services is on. Now again, I'm no expert but if you're suggesting he is good enough to manipulate GPS technology then I might actually just listen to him because he's a hell of a lot smarter than just about every single user on here " If you have an android phone that has been rooted then in principle it's not that hard to hack the location services. The kernel source code is freely available, android is basically a phone/tablet application built on top of linux (yes I know, grossly oversimplifying here). Just got to find the GPS data decoding module, modify to take position data from a file instead, fix up with timestamps from phone clock, recompile everything and load the new software image into the phone. Then you've got a phone that will tell people that you're absolutely anywhere that you want it to. Note: Considerably harder with an iphone. | |||
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"Having meekly accepted that the government can ban you from going abroad, forbid you from leaving home except for essential journeys. Make it illegal to meet your friends or open your business. Don't be surprised, in a couple of years time, when they tell you that, to save the planet, you can no longer take a foreign holiday. That you can only use your car for essential journeys. When you see what they are willing to ban for a risk to 0.6% of the population with an average age over 80, just imagine the rules they will enforce to "save us all from extinction"." This is not about ignore the rules and don't worry about the deaths, is it? This is about the future and what future governments might do to enforce other natural disasters. Here we talk about ICU's overflowing and dead family members in care homes and hospitals this is the the reasons to keep us subjugated. What about families losing lives and homes due to rising water from global warming, the government might think it's justified to use restrictions to combat this. Interesting thought. | |||
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"Having meekly accepted that the government can ban you from going abroad, forbid you from leaving home except for essential journeys. Make it illegal to meet your friends or open your business. Don't be surprised, in a couple of years time, when they tell you that, to save the planet, you can no longer take a foreign holiday. That you can only use your car for essential journeys. When you see what they are willing to ban for a risk to 0.6% of the population with an average age over 80, just imagine the rules they will enforce to "save us all from extinction"." Your assuming then that the UK is going to become a one party state and that an election at the latest every 5 years will be no longer the case. Accepted that their is little difference between the main two core political parties (Labour and Conservative) there is enough of a difference and who knows another political force with a different vision could well rise much like the original Labour Party did when the only choice was Conservative and Liberal. For all its bad points the UK is not China or the increasingly dictatorial one state Russia. Boris Johnson is not locking up political rivals, we are not even at the risky level that the USA recently faced with insurrection from gun toting rednecks. We have not as yet reached the point of curfew such as in France or Holland. The World will have to change though. Anyone who thinks that climate change (from whatever source) is not happening is burying their head in the sand, i an seeing it in action in this small part of the world where i live and a lot of it is caused by Man. | |||
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"Just asking for a bit of advice here. Is it allowed for one poster have two different accounts on here as a single person?" Yes, as long as they aren't trying to use them to get around blocks or forum/chat bans, breaking site rules etc. But if you have a concern then report the profile and ask Admin to have a look. | |||
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"Just asking for a bit of advice here. Is it allowed for one poster have two different accounts on here as a single person? Yes, as long as they aren't trying to use them to get around blocks or forum/chat bans, breaking site rules etc. But if you have a concern then report the profile and ask Admin to have a look." Cheers | |||
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"Having meekly accepted that the government can ban you from going abroad, forbid you from leaving home except for essential journeys. Make it illegal to meet your friends or open your business. Don't be surprised, in a couple of years time, when they tell you that, to save the planet, you can no longer take a foreign holiday. That you can only use your car for essential journeys. When you see what they are willing to ban for a risk to 0.6% of the population with an average age over 80, just imagine the rules they will enforce to "save us all from extinction". Your assuming then that the UK is going to become a one party state and that an election at the latest every 5 years will be no longer the case. Accepted that their is little difference between the main two core political parties (Labour and Conservative) there is enough of a difference and who knows another political force with a different vision could well rise much like the original Labour Party did when the only choice was Conservative and Liberal. For all its bad points the UK is not China or the increasingly dictatorial one state Russia. " Are you assuming the Labour party don't care enough to take drastic measures if they deem them necessary? | |||
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"Having meekly accepted that the government can ban you from going abroad, forbid you from leaving home except for essential journeys. Make it illegal to meet your friends or open your business. Don't be surprised, in a couple of years time, when they tell you that, to save the planet, you can no longer take a foreign holiday. That you can only use your car for essential journeys. When you see what they are willing to ban for a risk to 0.6% of the population with an average age over 80, just imagine the rules they will enforce to "save us all from extinction". Your assuming then that the UK is going to become a one party state and that an election at the latest every 5 years will be no longer the case. Accepted that their is little difference between the main two core political parties (Labour and Conservative) there is enough of a difference and who knows another political force with a different vision could well rise much like the original Labour Party did when the only choice was Conservative and Liberal. For all its bad points the UK is not China or the increasingly dictatorial one state Russia. Are you assuming the Labour party don't care enough to take drastic measures if they deem them necessary? " Surely its easy to understand that if i think there’s little difference between the two then both would take the steps necessary maybe a slightly different route. Starmer has so far been broadly supportive of lockdown measures, am not so sure the previous Labour leader would have been and i suspect he would have been more a dithered than Johnson. For the record i have as yet never voted for a Tory candidate in any General or Local election. | |||
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"Having meekly accepted that the government can ban you from going abroad, forbid you from leaving home except for essential journeys. Make it illegal to meet your friends or open your business. Don't be surprised, in a couple of years time, when they tell you that, to save the planet, you can no longer take a foreign holiday. That you can only use your car for essential journeys. When you see what they are willing to ban for a risk to 0.6% of the population with an average age over 80, just imagine the rules they will enforce to "save us all from extinction". Your assuming then that the UK is going to become a one party state and that an election at the latest every 5 years will be no longer the case. Accepted that their is little difference between the main two core political parties (Labour and Conservative) there is enough of a difference and who knows another political force with a different vision could well rise much like the original Labour Party did when the only choice was Conservative and Liberal. For all its bad points the UK is not China or the increasingly dictatorial one state Russia. Are you assuming the Labour party don't care enough to take drastic measures if they deem them necessary? Surely its easy to understand that if i think there’s little difference between the two then both would take the steps necessary maybe a slightly different route. Starmer has so far been broadly supportive of lockdown measures, am not so sure the previous Labour leader would have been and i suspect he would have been more a dithered than Johnson. For the record i have as yet never voted for a Tory candidate in any General or Local election." You do at least agree the OP's point is worth thinking about? | |||
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"Having meekly accepted that the government can ban you from going abroad, forbid you from leaving home except for essential journeys. Make it illegal to meet your friends or open your business. Don't be surprised, in a couple of years time, when they tell you that, to save the planet, you can no longer take a foreign holiday. That you can only use your car for essential journeys. When you see what they are willing to ban for a risk to 0.6% of the population with an average age over 80, just imagine the rules they will enforce to "save us all from extinction". This is not about ignore the rules and don't worry about the deaths, is it? This is about the future and what future governments might do to enforce other natural disasters. Here we talk about ICU's overflowing and dead family members in care homes and hospitals this is the the reasons to keep us subjugated. What about families losing lives and homes due to rising water from global warming, the government might think it's justified to use restrictions to combat this. Interesting thought." At between 1.5mm and 3mm per year, even a tortoise we be hard pressed to be caught out. | |||
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"I think you will find most of us have more on our minds than your fantastic account of your logistical enterprise to circumnavigate the restrictions that are in place to save life for your own personal gratification (just because you have an I'm alright Jack attitude).. And if the world's governments finally decide to take on the issue of climate change then hopefully we, and our children, will actually have somewhere to enjoy life again when we get through this mess " I'm not circumnavigating the restrictions, what I am doing is perfectly legal. The french government are happy for you to even go on a skiing holiday if you want. I cancelled mine for this week because I didn't want to walk up to ski down. | |||
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"Having meekly accepted that the government can ban you from going abroad, forbid you from leaving home except for essential journeys. Make it illegal to meet your friends or open your business. Don't be surprised, in a couple of years time, when they tell you that, to save the planet, you can no longer take a foreign holiday. That you can only use your car for essential journeys. When you see what they are willing to ban for a risk to 0.6% of the population with an average age over 80, just imagine the rules they will enforce to "save us all from extinction". This is not about ignore the rules and don't worry about the deaths, is it? This is about the future and what future governments might do to enforce other natural disasters. Here we talk about ICU's overflowing and dead family members in care homes and hospitals this is the the reasons to keep us subjugated. What about families losing lives and homes due to rising water from global warming, the government might think it's justified to use restrictions to combat this. Interesting thought. At between 1.5mm and 3mm per year, even a tortoise we be hard pressed to be caught out." Shows how much i know/care about global warming, but you get my point. | |||
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"Having meekly accepted that the government can ban you from going abroad, forbid you from leaving home except for essential journeys. Make it illegal to meet your friends or open your business. Don't be surprised, in a couple of years time, when they tell you that, to save the planet, you can no longer take a foreign holiday. That you can only use your car for essential journeys. When you see what they are willing to ban for a risk to 0.6% of the population with an average age over 80, just imagine the rules they will enforce to "save us all from extinction". This is not about ignore the rules and don't worry about the deaths, is it? This is about the future and what future governments might do to enforce other natural disasters. Here we talk about ICU's overflowing and dead family members in care homes and hospitals this is the the reasons to keep us subjugated. What about families losing lives and homes due to rising water from global warming, the government might think it's justified to use restrictions to combat this. Interesting thought. At between 1.5mm and 3mm per year, even a tortoise we be hard pressed to be caught out. Shows how much i know/care about global warming, but you get my point." Not really, deaths from natural disasters have been falling decade on decade, 500,000 per year in the 1920s, mostly from drought, last couple of decades more like 60,000 per year mostly from earthquakes. | |||
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"I'd like to know why the gmnt want to ban peope from going on holiday I ask myself the same question, particularly if you are going somewhere with a lower infection rate than the UK. So why them? That's a question you will need to put to the Boris." But you are citing it as a theory? You said they wanna stop people going on holiday For what reason? | |||
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"Having meekly accepted that the government can ban you from going abroad, forbid you from leaving home except for essential journeys. Make it illegal to meet your friends or open your business. Don't be surprised, in a couple of years time, when they tell you that, to save the planet, you can no longer take a foreign holiday. That you can only use your car for essential journeys. When you see what they are willing to ban for a risk to 0.6% of the population with an average age over 80, just imagine the rules they will enforce to "save us all from extinction". My Experience 29 year old been in hospital for 3 months now on a vent 37 year old recovering at home after being in hospital is now trying to learn how to walk again 46 year old in hospital not in ICU but her kids are in care as she’s a single parent 60 year old contracted it gave it to her dad whom she buried last week 7 year old contracted gave it to both grandparents who died Soooo no direct deaths there but just look at the devastation to these ‘people who won’t die’ I have so many things I want to say to you but you’re not worth the ban. " “..... Soooo no direct deaths there but just look at the devastation to these ‘people who won’t die.....” ——————— True, quite devastating. Shows that death is not the only consequence of contracting covid. | |||
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"Having meekly accepted that the government can ban you from going abroad, forbid you from leaving home except for essential journeys. Make it illegal to meet your friends or open your business. Don't be surprised, in a couple of years time, when they tell you that, to save the planet, you can no longer take a foreign holiday. That you can only use your car for essential journeys. When you see what they are willing to ban for a risk to 0.6% of the population with an average age over 80, just imagine the rules they will enforce to "save us all from extinction". This is not about ignore the rules and don't worry about the deaths, is it? This is about the future and what future governments might do to enforce other natural disasters. Here we talk about ICU's overflowing and dead family members in care homes and hospitals this is the the reasons to keep us subjugated. What about families losing lives and homes due to rising water from global warming, the government might think it's justified to use restrictions to combat this. Interesting thought." Well to apply the same "fuck you, you deserve it for being old or vulnerable" logic as many seem to be applying to covid... You may well say "fuck you for buying a house on a flood plain or near the sea or in a tourist hotspot". To those who are affected by global warming. | |||
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"I'd like to know why the gmnt want to ban peope from going on holiday I ask myself the same question, particularly if you are going somewhere with a lower infection rate than the UK. So why them? That's a question you will need to put to the Boris. But you are citing it as a theory? You said they wanna stop people going on holiday For what reason?" Ah, back on topic, they would ban holidays because of the co2 emissions generated by flying. The provisional wing of Greenpeace, ie XR, have already suggested restricting people to one flight per year. | |||
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"I'd like to know why the gmnt want to ban peope from going on holiday I ask myself the same question, particularly if you are going somewhere with a lower infection rate than the UK. So why them? That's a question you will need to put to the Boris. But you are citing it as a theory? You said they wanna stop people going on holiday For what reason? Ah, back on topic, they would ban holidays because of the co2 emissions generated by flying. The provisional wing of Greenpeace, ie XR, have already suggested restricting people to one flight per year." Out of interest has anybody looked at the relative co2 emissions for things in our lives... Such as power stations, industrial plants, car manufacture and distribution, personal car travel, air travel, logistics companies and so on... I wonder how much is contributed by personal car travel. | |||
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"I'd like to know why the gmnt want to ban peope from going on holiday I ask myself the same question, particularly if you are going somewhere with a lower infection rate than the UK. So why them? That's a question you will need to put to the Boris. But you are citing it as a theory? You said they wanna stop people going on holiday For what reason? Ah, back on topic, they would ban holidays because of the co2 emissions generated by flying. The provisional wing of Greenpeace, ie XR, have already suggested restricting people to one flight per year." Greenpeace have a provisional wing? So Greenpeace are telling the gmnt what to do? | |||
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"Your proposition falls at the simple conclusion that you have drawn about the sum total of the health problem from Sars-Cov-2. This virus causes major health problems way in excess of the tragedy of c. 100,000 lives lost. Like all diseases, most recover quickly (ebola, I grant you, is an exception), a tiny minority take longer. Of course if you're confined to a 1 bedroom flat during lock down then your recovery is not going to be stellar, even from a cold. This is largely government trying to find another way to conjvince the young that covid is any threat to them. Eeeerm I dont think you've been reading the stats and discussions between media or government. Not all recover quickly. I keep seeing 95-99% that not true at all. Some recover but endup returning for various issues which was related to them catching covid. Another group go back because covid has caused other issues organ failures, underlying issues made worse. Then there's long COVID-19. So no its not true theres quiet a percentage still suffering or have to return to hospital for medical intervention. I dont think anyone has quantified that percentage because they're too busy dealing with prevention and first time treatment." “...... theres quiet a percentage still suffering or have to return to hospital for medical intervention....” ————————- That’s true. Some who escape death (from covid) never make a full recovery. | |||
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"Having meekly accepted that the government can ban you from going abroad, forbid you from leaving home except for essential journeys. Make it illegal to meet your friends or open your business. Don't be surprised, in a couple of years time, when they tell you that, to save the planet, you can no longer take a foreign holiday. That you can only use your car for essential journeys. When you see what they are willing to ban for a risk to 0.6% of the population with an average age over 80, just imagine the rules they will enforce to "save us all from extinction". This is not about ignore the rules and don't worry about the deaths, is it? This is about the future and what future governments might do to enforce other natural disasters. Here we talk about ICU's overflowing and dead family members in care homes and hospitals this is the the reasons to keep us subjugated. What about families losing lives and homes due to rising water from global warming, the government might think it's justified to use restrictions to combat this. Interesting thought. Well to apply the same "fuck you, you deserve it for being old or vulnerable" logic as many seem to be applying to covid... You may well say "fuck you for buying a house on a flood plain or near the sea or in a tourist hotspot". To those who are affected by global warming. " And eventually everyone will be fucked | |||
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"Your proposition falls at the simple conclusion that you have drawn about the sum total of the health problem from Sars-Cov-2. This virus causes major health problems way in excess of the tragedy of c. 100,000 lives lost. Like all diseases, most recover quickly (ebola, I grant you, is an exception), a tiny minority take longer. Of course if you're confined to a 1 bedroom flat during lock down then your recovery is not going to be stellar, even from a cold. This is largely government trying to find another way to conjvince the young that covid is any threat to them. Eeeerm I dont think you've been reading the stats and discussions between media or government. Not all recover quickly. I keep seeing 95-99% that not true at all. Some recover but endup returning for various issues which was related to them catching covid. Another group go back because covid has caused other issues organ failures, underlying issues made worse. Then there's long COVID-19. So no its not true theres quiet a percentage still suffering or have to return to hospital for medical intervention. I dont think anyone has quantified that percentage because they're too busy dealing with prevention and first time treatment. “...... theres quiet a percentage still suffering or have to return to hospital for medical intervention....” ————————- That’s true. Some who escape death (from covid) never make a full recovery. " Remind me again how that is different from practically any other illness. | |||
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" When you see what they are willing to ban for a risk to 0.6% of the population with an average age over 80, just imagine the rules they will enforce to "save us all from extinction". Average age is 59 now BTW" Shhhh. They're allergic to facts. | |||
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"Having meekly accepted that the government can ban you from going abroad, forbid you from leaving home except for essential journeys. Make it illegal to meet your friends or open your business. Don't be surprised, in a couple of years time, when they tell you that, to save the planet, you can no longer take a foreign holiday. That you can only use your car for essential journeys. When you see what they are willing to ban for a risk to 0.6% of the population with an average age over 80, just imagine the rules they will enforce to "save us all from extinction"." Think you have spent to much time thinking lol | |||
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"Your proposition falls at the simple conclusion that you have drawn about the sum total of the health problem from Sars-Cov-2. This virus causes major health problems way in excess of the tragedy of c. 100,000 lives lost. Like all diseases, most recover quickly (ebola, I grant you, is an exception), a tiny minority take longer. Of course if you're confined to a 1 bedroom flat during lock down then your recovery is not going to be stellar, even from a cold. This is largely government trying to find another way to conjvince the young that covid is any threat to them. Eeeerm I dont think you've been reading the stats and discussions between media or government. Not all recover quickly. I keep seeing 95-99% that not true at all. Some recover but endup returning for various issues which was related to them catching covid. Another group go back because covid has caused other issues organ failures, underlying issues made worse. Then there's long COVID-19. So no its not true theres quiet a percentage still suffering or have to return to hospital for medical intervention. I dont think anyone has quantified that percentage because they're too busy dealing with prevention and first time treatment. “...... theres quiet a percentage still suffering or have to return to hospital for medical intervention....” ————————- That’s true. Some who escape death (from covid) never make a full recovery. Remind me again how that is different from practically any other illness." There is a *big difference* between recovering from a cold and trying to recover from covid. Not sure why you need that explained to you. | |||
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"Ok just think the OP is pissed off he can't travel... To be fair ... Why the fuck wouldn't you just do as your told right now...it's big picture time... I'm fine thanks, I live in Paris at the moment and have been in the South of France this weekend in glorious sunshine. I'm calling BS OP!!!! RESTRICTIONS AND REQUIREMENTS IN METROPOLITAN FRANCE A nightly curfew is currently in force in metropolitan France. Between 6PM and 6AM you may only leave your residence for the following reasons and with an exemption certificate: Commuting to and from work, school or training place; carrying out essential business trips that cannot be postponed; Medical appointments that cannot be carried out remotely or postponed; Essential family reasons, assisting vulnerable persons, persons in a precarious situation or taking care of children; Persons with a disability and their accompanying person; Judicial or administrative summons; Participating in a mission of general interest upon request from an administrative authority; Air or rail transit related to long distance journeys; Walking a pet outdoors within 1km of one’s place of residence and for a brief amount of time." I agree those are the restrictions. I have a house in France and not been there since last March but I see reports from groups on Facebook of all the Parisians who visit 2nd homes or go on holiday every time new restrictions come in. They don’t care about spreading Covid. | |||
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"Ok just think the OP is pissed off he can't travel... To be fair ... Why the fuck wouldn't you just do as your told right now...it's big picture time... I'm fine thanks, I live in Paris at the moment and have been in the South of France this weekend in glorious sunshine. I'm calling BS OP!!!! RESTRICTIONS AND REQUIREMENTS IN METROPOLITAN FRANCE A nightly curfew is currently in force in metropolitan France. Between 6PM and 6AM you may only leave your residence for the following reasons and with an exemption certificate: Commuting to and from work, school or training place; carrying out essential business trips that cannot be postponed; Medical appointments that cannot be carried out remotely or postponed; Essential family reasons, assisting vulnerable persons, persons in a precarious situation or taking care of children; Persons with a disability and their accompanying person; Judicial or administrative summons; Participating in a mission of general interest upon request from an administrative authority; Air or rail transit related to long distance journeys; Walking a pet outdoors within 1km of one’s place of residence and for a brief amount of time. He’s showing as 40 miles away from Essex right now too ..... hahah busted Now why doesn't that surprise me " Funnily enough when I am in France I still show as being in U.K. on Fab as I don’t allow it to show where I am so it just shows my home town. | |||
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"Your proposition falls at the simple conclusion that you have drawn about the sum total of the health problem from Sars-Cov-2. This virus causes major health problems way in excess of the tragedy of c. 100,000 lives lost. Like all diseases, most recover quickly (ebola, I grant you, is an exception), a tiny minority take longer. Of course if you're confined to a 1 bedroom flat during lock down then your recovery is not going to be stellar, even from a cold. This is largely government trying to find another way to conjvince the young that covid is any threat to them. Eeeerm I dont think you've been reading the stats and discussions between media or government. Not all recover quickly. I keep seeing 95-99% that not true at all. Some recover but endup returning for various issues which was related to them catching covid. Another group go back because covid has caused other issues organ failures, underlying issues made worse. Then there's long COVID-19. So no its not true theres quiet a percentage still suffering or have to return to hospital for medical intervention. I dont think anyone has quantified that percentage because they're too busy dealing with prevention and first time treatment. “...... theres quiet a percentage still suffering or have to return to hospital for medical intervention....” ————————- That’s true. Some who escape death (from covid) never make a full recovery. Remind me again how that is different from practically any other illness. There is a *big difference* between recovering from a cold and trying to recover from covid. Not sure why you need that explained to you. " I'm sure there are plenty of people in their 80's who catch a cold and die. A colleague of mine caught flu which ended up damaging his heart valves which he had to have replaced. | |||
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"Just asking for a bit of advice here. Is it allowed for one poster have two different accounts on here as a single person?" If you have 2 email addresses then you can - not necessarily allowed by Fab. | |||
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"If people dont stop driving cars and getting on planes, there wont be a planet to worry about anyway" There will be a planet no matter what we do. Earth will exist for another billion years until the sun goes supernova. It is the habitat that we and other animals need to survive, that we are destroying. | |||
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"Ok just think the OP is pissed off he can't travel... To be fair ... Why the fuck wouldn't you just do as your told right now...it's big picture time... I'm fine thanks, I live in Paris at the moment and have been in the South of France this weekend in glorious sunshine. I'm calling BS OP!!!! RESTRICTIONS AND REQUIREMENTS IN METROPOLITAN FRANCE A nightly curfew is currently in force in metropolitan France. Between 6PM and 6AM you may only leave your residence for the following reasons and with an exemption certificate: Commuting to and from work, school or training place; carrying out essential business trips that cannot be postponed; Medical appointments that cannot be carried out remotely or postponed; Essential family reasons, assisting vulnerable persons, persons in a precarious situation or taking care of children; Persons with a disability and their accompanying person; Judicial or administrative summons; Participating in a mission of general interest upon request from an administrative authority; Air or rail transit related to long distance journeys; Walking a pet outdoors within 1km of one’s place of residence and for a brief amount of time. I agree those are the restrictions. I have a house in France and not been there since last March but I see reports from groups on Facebook of all the Parisians who visit 2nd homes or go on holiday every time new restrictions come in. They don’t care about spreading Covid. " I quote: Certificates will be necessary to travel by night. “Starting December 15, you can travel freely from one region to the other” Prime Minister Jean Castex said during his latest press brief. Sayings confirmed once again by the head of government on December 10, as long as curfew is followed. | |||
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" When you see what they are willing to ban for a risk to 0.6% of the population with an average age over 80, just imagine the rules they will enforce to "save us all from extinction". Average age is 59 now BTW" But that doesn't suit the narrative at all... | |||
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"Your proposition falls at the simple conclusion that you have drawn about the sum total of the health problem from Sars-Cov-2. This virus causes major health problems way in excess of the tragedy of c. 100,000 lives lost. Like all diseases, most recover quickly (ebola, I grant you, is an exception), a tiny minority take longer. Of course if you're confined to a 1 bedroom flat during lock down then your recovery is not going to be stellar, even from a cold. This is largely government trying to find another way to conjvince the young that covid is any threat to them. Eeeerm I dont think you've been reading the stats and discussions between media or government. Not all recover quickly. I keep seeing 95-99% that not true at all. Some recover but endup returning for various issues which was related to them catching covid. Another group go back because covid has caused other issues organ failures, underlying issues made worse. Then there's long COVID-19. So no its not true theres quiet a percentage still suffering or have to return to hospital for medical intervention. I dont think anyone has quantified that percentage because they're too busy dealing with prevention and first time treatment. “...... theres quiet a percentage still suffering or have to return to hospital for medical intervention....” ————————- That’s true. Some who escape death (from covid) never make a full recovery. Remind me again how that is different from practically any other illness. There is a *big difference* between recovering from a cold and trying to recover from covid. Not sure why you need that explained to you. I'm sure there are plenty of people in their 80's who catch a cold and die. A colleague of mine caught flu which ended up damaging his heart valves which he had to have replaced." “...... I'm sure there are plenty of people in their 80's who catch a cold and die....” ————————- Are we talking about those in their 80s, or are we talking about those who are younger who don’t die of covid, but face long term health issues which prolongs their recover ? As usual, when you can’t address a question put to you, you attempt to distract / deflect. | |||
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" Ah, back on topic, they would ban holidays because of the co2 emissions generated by flying. The provisional wing of Greenpeace, ie XR, have already suggested restricting people to one flight per year." 1 flight...lol brilliant..."off you fuck" is the phrase...as 1 flight equals no return trip.... | |||
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" Average age is 59 now BTW But that doesn't suit the narrative at all... " Tinfoil hat, beer and popcorn at the ready.... | |||
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"Ok just think the OP is pissed off he can't travel... To be fair ... Why the fuck wouldn't you just do as your told right now...it's big picture time... I'm fine thanks, I live in Paris at the moment and have been in the South of France this weekend in glorious sunshine. I'm calling BS OP!!!! RESTRICTIONS AND REQUIREMENTS IN METROPOLITAN FRANCE A nightly curfew is currently in force in metropolitan France. Between 6PM and 6AM you may only leave your residence for the following reasons and with an exemption certificate: Commuting to and from work, school or training place; carrying out essential business trips that cannot be postponed; Medical appointments that cannot be carried out remotely or postponed; Essential family reasons, assisting vulnerable persons, persons in a precarious situation or taking care of children; Persons with a disability and their accompanying person; Judicial or administrative summons; Participating in a mission of general interest upon request from an administrative authority; Air or rail transit related to long distance journeys; Walking a pet outdoors within 1km of one’s place of residence and for a brief amount of time. He’s showing as 40 miles away from Essex right now too ..... hahah busted " would be in France if the right direction.. | |||
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"You may think I'm joking but the government tell us 40,000 people a year die from pollution. I can belive that! X" it's actually. A fact that has been published since 2010...trend is actually downwards as newer enforcements come into play. It's not simply pollution from. Hydrocarbons as many think we also have regular Radon escapes in certain areas when eejits after quick buck falsify their search results.. | |||
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"Ok just think the OP is pissed off he can't travel... To be fair ... Why the fuck wouldn't you just do as your told right now...it's big picture time... I'm fine thanks, I live in Paris at the moment and have been in the South of France this weekend in glorious sunshine. I'm calling BS OP!!!! RESTRICTIONS AND REQUIREMENTS IN METROPOLITAN FRANCE A nightly curfew is currently in force in metropolitan France. Between 6PM and 6AM you may only leave your residence for the following reasons and with an exemption certificate: Commuting to and from work, school or training place; carrying out essential business trips that cannot be postponed; Medical appointments that cannot be carried out remotely or postponed; Essential family reasons, assisting vulnerable persons, persons in a precarious situation or taking care of children; Persons with a disability and their accompanying person; Judicial or administrative summons; Participating in a mission of general interest upon request from an administrative authority; Air or rail transit related to long distance journeys; Walking a pet outdoors within 1km of one’s place of residence and for a brief amount of time. He’s showing as 40 miles away from Essex right now too ..... hahah busted would be in France if the right direction.. " Showing 10 to 15 from me x | |||
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