FabSwingers.com forum: Yay or nay?

By *ecretlyASoftie OP Woman
over a year ago

Hull but travel regularly

Following the story that many caters won’t have the jab, https://m.fabswingers.com/forum/virus/1115586, I believe that everyone has the right to explicit voluntary consent and no mandatory vaccine

So given self determination, is the vaccine a yay or nay for you? Please no attacking others for their right to choose

(closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately

By *ittleMissCaliWoman
over a year ago

all loved up

Yes. My disabled daughter will be having it too

(closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately

By *inky_couple2020Couple
over a year ago

North West

We're both yes (when the time comes).

(closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately

By *ch WellMan
over a year ago

Scotland

I've had it, I was fine, no limbs have fallen off. I don't think there's anything to worry about and would encourage folk to get it if it's what it takes to get our lives back but equally I wouldn't be calling for the sacking of folk who don't get it unlike folk on another thread as last time I checked we aren't in Nazi Germany

(closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately

By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

Yes

(closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately

By *ady LickWoman
over a year ago

Northampton Somewhere

I'm still unsure. I'm pleased that by the time I'm offered one there will have been a lot more scientific data/evidence/research done to base my decision on.

(closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately

By *andKBCouple
over a year ago

Plymouth

Yay, in fact K has had both of hers. Priority 1 due to job.

C is waiting for his turn.

(closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately

By *hagTonightMan
over a year ago

From the land of haribos.

I wont have it. I am not against vaccination in general, it is just that, how rushed this one is with no time for the testing of it.

(closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately

By *G CoupleCouple
over a year ago

kent

Had a friend say he can get us a vaccine quicker through the back door.i declined his kind offer.

Will wait to have it in the arm like everyone else

(closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately

By *uckandbunnyCouple
over a year ago

In your bed

"I wont have it. I am not against vaccination in general, it is just that, how rushed this one is with no time for the testing of it."

It has been tested.

(closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately

By *etcplCouple
over a year ago

Gapping Fanny

Yep

(closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately

By *luttyLaylaWoman
over a year ago

North West

"Following the story that many caters won’t have the jab, https://m.fabswingers.com/forum/virus/1115586, I believe that everyone has the right to explicit voluntary consent and no mandatory vaccine

So given self determination, is the vaccine a yay or nay for you? Please no attacking others for their right to choose

Had mine (first one)

Happy with all processes that were followed and thoroughly trust the scientists

(closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately

By *uckandbunnyCouple
over a year ago

In your bed

"Had a friend say he can get us a vaccine quicker through the back door.i declined his kind offer.

Will wait to have it in the arm like everyone else"

Bum bum

(closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately

By *uckandbunnyCouple
over a year ago

In your bed

"Following the story that many caters won’t have the jab, https://m.fabswingers.com/forum/virus/1115586, I believe that everyone has the right to explicit voluntary consent and no mandatory vaccine

So given self determination, is the vaccine a yay or nay for you? Please no attacking others for their right to choose

Can I just challenge the term "many"

"many" is often used to suggest alot if not the majority of people.

The basis of the story is actual one care home.

"One care home owner said half of his staff..."

I think it's important to emphasise that millions offered have had it with little in the way of side effects apart from a few with allergies getting a rash.

(closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yay for sure, jumped at the opportunity when i was offered one, mainly due to it being the pfizer vaccine i was offered (some serious brains gone in to the tech used there)

Fortunately i haven't had any side effects except a painful arm for a day and I don't think my batch was contaminated with any Viagra

(closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Definitely take the vaccination. Where would we be if we didn't as children get vaccinated against deadly diseases like polio and smallpox among others. Current employees will have contracts which don't stipulate the need for vaccinations and employers have their hands tied on this. But i think employers in future will make it a condition of employment that they have received a covid vaccine, and will do so when required.. And quite rightly so.

(closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately

By *oubleswing2019Man
over a year ago

Colchester

Yes. With other conditions, getting Covid is likely to kill me and the missus. Emphatically yes. Plus we want to protect others as much as we can. (I realise the vaccine doesn't stop you catching the virus and passing it on, so we will still need to isolate).

My boss might say "You've had the vaccine come on in". Er..don't think so squire. I can still kill somebody and that is on me. If my boss doesn't take the vaccine and I kill him through transmission, it's his fault, but I still have to live with a manslaughter charge and be emotionally responsible for his death. No thank you.

(closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I possibly want to have it, but not yet.

Problem is that I will be offered it soon due to chronic illness and disability, and if I don't take it when offered, I then have to wait until it's widely available.

So, decision time soon.

(closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

yes 100% and i hope as the reseach carrys on that it will also slow down the transmission the the companys that make them seems to think they may

(closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately

By *illwalkerMan
over a year ago

South Lincs

Yes, definitely. Even if it doesn't guarantee you won't get the virus it seems to greatly reduce the chance of serious illness. That will do for me

(closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yay

(closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Yes. My disabled daughter will be having it too"

Same here. X

(closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately

By *olden RatioWoman
over a year ago

Buckinghamshire

Yay

(closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately

By *ess n BenCouple
over a year ago

Didcot

Us two definitely, one of our daughters has had both she is a senior mid wife in the J R Hospital in Oxford

(closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yes I will, some protection is better than none

(closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Definite yes for me, unless some major side effects crop up in the 9 or so months before I'm likely to be offered one

(closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately

By *abs..Woman
over a year ago

Yes

(closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Defo yes for me. I already see that some travel firms have stated that only vaccinated peeps will be allowed, can’t wait till I can resume traveling again.

(closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately

By *ultry SuccubusTV/TS
over a year ago

London

I have doubts concerning the efficacy of the vaccine and the potential long term complication which is severely under-investigated but I agreed to have it.

I think it will be a passport of some sort to traveling and I want to travel again.

(closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yah

(closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately

By *oved Up 2Couple
over a year ago

nottingham

I've already had my 1st one and A can't wait to get his. Despite what people say the vaccines have been tested on more people than other vaccines. It's been done so quickly because lots of money and resources have been put into this across the world.

No side effects other than a sore arm for ba couple days

(closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I wont have it. I am not against vaccination in general, it is just that, how rushed this one is with no time for the testing of it.

It has been tested. "

No it hasnt.do your research.

(closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Had 1st dose

(closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately

By *ungblackbullMan
over a year ago

scotland

"I wont have it. I am not against vaccination in general, it is just that, how rushed this one is with no time for the testing of it.

It has been tested.

No it hasnt.do your research."

Don't be so arrogant with your reply. Lots of us have done plenty of research but disagree that not enough testing has been done.

So please, explain ...

(closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately

By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

Both yes..

(closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I will have it.

Folk who do not have it are obvious candidates for a Darwin Award.

(closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately

By *all me FlikWoman
over a year ago

Galaxy Far Far Away

Yes and its important that the majority of people do if we are to achieve herd immunity any time soon.

(closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately

By *ch WellMan
over a year ago

Scotland

Unbelievable. I say I've had the vaccine then get strangers messaging me questioning why I should have got it. I'd have thought it was obvious if I've had it I'm in one of the priority groups.

(closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately

By *teveanddebsCouple
over a year ago

Norwich

I'm getting mine in group 2 because of my job. I'm still in two minds about it but I will have it and I hope that any bad things are discovered before my kids have to have it.

(closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately

By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

"Unbelievable. I say I've had the vaccine then get strangers messaging me questioning why I should have got it. I'd have thought it was obvious if I've had it I'm in one of the priority groups."

Had something similar from a completely random person on here who has never engaged in debate in any of these threads, it was a bit conspiracy theorist but nonetheless the place for such things is in the open forum..

(closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

100% I'm gonna get it. I'd be way down the list I imagine but will get it when the time comes.

Yeah it's not magic and gonna end the problem and maybe not prevent spead much but if taking it can help those at risk and help relieve the burden on NHS then jab me up

(closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately

By *alandNitaCouple
over a year ago

Scunthorpe

"Following the story that many caters won’t have the jab, https://m.fabswingers.com/forum/virus/1115586, I believe that everyone has the right to explicit voluntary consent and no mandatory vaccine

So given self determination, is the vaccine a yay or nay for you? Please no attacking others for their right to choose

Firstly, I suspect that the number of carers who are refusing the vaccine is not "that high", and will probably reduce as it becomes obvious that there's no adverse effects.

Secondly, I would guess that people employed in care homes will probably find they are compelled by their employer, or risk having no work.

Ultimately though, the more people that have it, the safer it will be for everyone... including those who don't have it.

Cal

(closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately

By *ickthelick2001Man
over a year ago

nottingham

Seeing as the rushed out swine flu vaccine (Pandemrix) a few years ago ended in disaster, its a definite NO !!!

(closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Had mine because of my job.

I have been fine, no drooling at the mouth (that only happens looking at the hotties on here

)

(closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately

By *ilentnoiseMan
over a year ago

Belfast

Had the first jab last weekend. As a health professional I would encourage everyone to get it. But I accept that some will say no. Consent is key.

(closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately

By *andare63Man
over a year ago

oldham

I'm all for edging my bets... Yes

(closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Nay, Once we feel that its safe for our family we will not be having the vaccine, work have already said there maybe consequences for Lou if she does not have it.

At the moment the process for having this vaccine feels like walking down the street and having a group of people surround us and tell us you must, you must, you must have it and shoving a clipboard under our noses to sign, its all just overwhelming, we realise some are dying from it but we want to feel safe ourselves that we are making the right choice.

(closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately

By *all me FlikWoman
over a year ago

Galaxy Far Far Away

"Seeing as the rushed out swine flu vaccine (Pandemrix) a few years ago ended in disaster, its a definite NO !!!"

I'm not aware of this "disaster" so just had a Google and it appears to have been a success with 300 people in 90 million having serious side effects. As I say, not something that I was or am aware of so might keep looking. Still happy to be vaccinated though.

(closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately

By *ungblackbullMan
over a year ago

scotland

"Seeing as the rushed out swine flu vaccine (Pandemrix) a few years ago ended in disaster, its a definite NO !!!"

As a 57 year old male who I assume is of average height and weight based on your profile and also the assumption of no underlying health conditions, you have about a 1 in 7,800 chance of dying with covid in the next 90 days or just under 1 in 2000 chance of dying in 2021.

Of course, covid isn't just about dying. It's about the hospital admission and the assumption you will get the care you need to survive. You have about a 1 in 300 chance of ending up in hospital this year with covid. Also, long covid.

Overall probably not too much to worry about.

Pandemrix was association with increase in narcolepsy. Something with around 1 incident per 18,400 doses.

Source of risk qcovid dot org

(closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I had my first dose yesterday. Would have rather given it to my more vulnerable father (would stop the worry), but I know it doesn't work like that.

Some minor issues in that I now have a slightly swollen and sore arm, also can't raise it very well. Happy to do my bit.

(closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately

By *ch WellMan
over a year ago

Scotland

"I had my first dose yesterday. Would have rather given it to my more vulnerable father (would stop the worry), but I know it doesn't work like that.

Some minor issues in that I now have a slightly swollen and sore arm, also can't raise it very well. Happy to do my bit. "

That'll pass in a day or 2.

(closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately

By *uckandbunnyCouple
over a year ago

In your bed

"I wont have it. I am not against vaccination in general, it is just that, how rushed this one is with no time for the testing of it.

It has been tested.

No it hasnt.do your research."

I will have it. To answer the original question.

And yes it has been tested.

Saying it hasn't is untrue.

Be specific which test do you believe it has not had?

Clearly it's not had longitudinal testing as no new product can be produced that has longitudinal testing.

It has been tested far more than alcohol was before it was released and made legal, but everyone seems happy to consume alcohol knowing it is far more dangerous than any vacinne ever produced.

(closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yes the Mrs has had it and the Mr will have it when it available to him.

(closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately

By *ir-spunk-alotMan
over a year ago

Southern England

Do people honestly think I'm going to let myself be injected with some mysterious genetically-engineered concoction designed in secret by Bill Gates and other Illuminati? Fuck yeah.

*unrolls sleeve*.

(closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Nay, Once we feel that its safe for our family we will not be having the vaccine, work have already said there maybe consequences for Lou if she does not have it.

surely if thats how you feel you ignore what everyone is telling you and go do your own research instead of just refusing the vaccine

(closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

(closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately

By * and M lookingCouple
over a year ago

Worcester

As a small family with no support bubble then it’s a yes from us.

Our son currently has it and believe us if he is this wiped out with it (fit and healthy teen) then we can’t see why anyone wouldn’t.

(closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately

By *essiCouple
over a year ago

suffolk

Mrs is still seriously thinking it over,work will want it..Mr will have it for sure..

(closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately

By *iss DevilWoman
over a year ago

Bedford

Had 1st dose of mine, due to my job. No side effects apart from slightly sore arm when lying on it. 2nd dose appointment booked.

(closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yes I will get it but only because it's the only way out of the pandemic but I'm very worried about the side effects x

(closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Do people honestly think I'm going to let myself be injected with some mysterious genetically-engineered concoction designed in secret by Bill Gates and other Illuminati? Fuck yeah.

*unrolls sleeve*."

Ignorant twats like you are the reason the UK is in this state.

(closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately

By *alandNitaCouple
over a year ago

Scunthorpe

In reality, all the suggestions about the vaccines being under-tested are out of date. The first trials of these vaccines started about 10 months ago. So there is now 10 months of data. In addition, there have been over 100 million doses delivered with only tiny numbers of people reporting adverse reactions. I would say that's fairly well tested.

I will definitely take the vaccine as soon as I'm offered it, as will Anita.

Cal

(closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately

By *illyjohnyCouple
over a year ago

brighton

"Do people honestly think I'm going to let myself be injected with some mysterious genetically-engineered concoction designed in secret by Bill Gates and other Illuminati? Fuck yeah.

*unrolls sleeve*."

Don’t think anyone really cares if you choose to have it or not ?

I will be having it even though I probably have antibodies after surviving a week in hospital with it but this is my choice, if I was told I have to be vaccinated then I would have to think about it because it should be every individuals choice and not forced onto anyone

(closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately

By * and R cple4Couple
over a year ago

swansea

I’m yay and my husband is nay ..It has nothing to do with any conspiracy theory nonsense .He has a genuine fear of injections but by the time it comes for us to have a letter for ours I’m sure He’ll be fine.

(closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately

By *ustBoWoman
over a year ago

Somewhere in Co. Down

I'm a carer and I had both of mine. 2nd one hit me a wee bit harder than the first. Just really exhausted the following day and a sore arm again for a day. But nothing worse than that.

I don't agree anyone should be forced to get it tho if they don't want to.

(closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately

By *orty-coupleCouple
over a year ago

Leyland

"Seeing as the rushed out swine flu vaccine (Pandemrix) a few years ago ended in disaster, its a definite NO !!!"

That's a bloody good reason not to have it. It was a rushed through vaccine with minimal testing.

But that's not my reason, I'm not having it because I choose not to, simple as that.

My own immune system is an amazing thing.

Me and my immune system will take our chances with the 99.3% survival rate.

(closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I've had my first one, booked in for second in march.

No I'll effects other than a sore arm for 24 hrs, similar to flu jab.

I honestly do feel a sense of relief that things are getting back to normal

Mr. R

(closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately

By *icecouple561Couple
Forum Mod
over a year ago

East Sussex

We'll have it because we can see a time coming where it's a requirement for international travel. We do have reservations because nobody knows the long term effects.

(closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately

By *amillMan
over a year ago

Warrington

"Seeing as the rushed out swine flu vaccine (Pandemrix) a few years ago ended in disaster, its a definite NO !!!

That's a bloody good reason not to have it. It was a rushed through vaccine with minimal testing.

But that's not my reason, I'm not having it because I choose not to, simple as that.

My own immune system is an amazing thing.

Me and my immune system will take our chances with the 99.3% survival rate.

Please can you provide evidence as to how the vaccine has been minimally tested? All evidence indicates it has gone through the same 3 stage trials as any other vaccine in use or development.

This whole immune system argument is a load of crap, you can’t know how your body will react to any disease or illness, that’s a fact.

Also, sick to death of hearing this 99.3% survival rate because it’s actually just bullshit. You can survive but still suffer long term health issues from covid, which you may never recover from.

So stop believing all the conspiracy shite you read on the internet and look up some real factual information

(closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately

By *arkus1812Man
over a year ago

Lifes departure lounge NN9 Northamptonshire East not West MidlandsMidlands

Received my first injection of the Pfizer vaccine a couple of weeks ago, no side effects or issues, Second dose booked for early March, bring it on.

(closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately

By *andS66Couple
over a year ago

Derby

She is unsure, but will have it, I don't want to just yet but feel that to do anything in the future I will have to have it...

Even though it doesn't stop you getting it, doesn't stop you passing it on, and seems more and more likely that it won't put a stop to the majority of restrictions in place.

(closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately

By *wisted999Man
over a year ago

North Bucks

Yes if only for the travel implications.

(closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately

By *hatawasteMan
over a year ago

stafford

[Removed by poster at 24/01/21 12:26:54]

(closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately

By *hatawasteMan
over a year ago

stafford

"Following the story that many caters won’t have the jab, https://m.fabswingers.com/forum/virus/1115586, I believe that everyone has the right to explicit voluntary consent and no mandatory vaccine

So given self determination, is the vaccine a yay or nay for you? Please no attacking others for their right to choose

It's a ' yay ' for me as soon as possible . I also respect anyone's rights to decide for for themselves . However, with any decision comes consequences and a degree of responsibility and accountability ..

At the very least I would be expecting anyone not getting or agreeing to be vaccinated to go through rigorous testing for anything involving mixing with the general population again after this .for example certain in BDS of jobs and careers and also access to social buildings pubs restaurants etc . Otherwise frankly it just would not be fair to those who were willing to risk their own health in order to try and get the world turning again . That's my opinion of course and I'm happy and feel I'm thinking in the right way about this .

Not wanting to start an argument and idiots replying will be ignored .

(closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately

By *hatawasteMan
over a year ago

stafford

"Seeing as the rushed out swine flu vaccine (Pandemrix) a few years ago ended in disaster, its a definite NO !!!

That's a bloody good reason not to have it. It was a rushed through vaccine with minimal testing.

But that's not my reason, I'm not having it because I choose not to, simple as that.

My own immune system is an amazing thing.

Me and my immune system will take our chances with the 99.3% survival rate.

Sorry that's not making any sense .. you are basing the decision on you or both of you but not society as a whole .. this isn't about people with strong immune systems or those who believe they have one . It is completely about the opposite of that .. the weak and the old who can't survive or have a worse chance of it .

That's why people are agreeing to the restrictions the vaccine all of it .. refusing is frankly just showing a selfish streak and a complete disregard towards putting everything back in its feet ..I think it's high time people actually tried to understand that ..

(closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"She is unsure, but will have it, I don't want to just yet but feel that to do anything in the future I will have to have it...

Even though it doesn't IMMEDIATELY stop you getting it, doesn't IMMEDIATELY stop you passing it on, and seems more and more likely that it won't IMMEDIATELY put a stop to the majority of restrictions in place."

i fixed that for you ... the long term plan is still that once enough people have had both injections it will for the most part achieve all 3 but that takes time

(closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I possibly want to have it, but not yet.

Problem is that I will be offered it soon due to chronic illness and disability, and if I don't take it when offered, I then have to wait until it's widely available.

So, decision time soon."

I'm not sure if this will be helpful in your decision making or not but I was talking to a friend whose husband is reluctant to take it.

She asked him if he got covid and had to go to hospital and got seriously sick would he say yes to receiving any drug they could give him to increase his chance of survival.

He answered yes so she said then why not take a tested vaccine that could prevent you from getting sick in the 1st place.

So maybe just something to consider.

(closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yes I will be having it and I only know one person in my personal life that is reluctant.

I genuinely do believe most people want to have it but those that don't want to have it are normally the most vocal so it seems like bigger numbers.

(closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately

By *orty-coupleCouple
over a year ago

Leyland

"Seeing as the rushed out swine flu vaccine (Pandemrix) a few years ago ended in disaster, its a definite NO !!!

That's a bloody good reason not to have it. It was a rushed through vaccine with minimal testing.

But that's not my reason, I'm not having it because I choose not to, simple as that.

My own immune system is an amazing thing.

Me and my immune system will take our chances with the 99.3% survival rate.

Please can you provide evidence as to how the vaccine has been minimally tested? All evidence indicates it has gone through the same 3 stage trials as any other vaccine in use or development.

This whole immune system argument is a load of crap, you can’t know how your body will react to any disease or illness, that’s a fact.

Also, sick to death of hearing this 99.3% survival rate because it’s actually just bullshit. You can survive but still suffer long term health issues from covid, which you may never recover from.

So stop believing all the conspiracy shite you read on the internet and look up some real factual information

You keep watching the BBC

(closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately

By *andS66Couple
over a year ago

Derby

"She is unsure, but will have it, I don't want to just yet but feel that to do anything in the future I will have to have it...

i fixed that for you ... the long term plan is still that once enough people have had both injections it will for the most part achieve all 3 but that takes time "

Please can you fix it properly and tell me how much time it will take to stop you getting it or passing it on, because all the experts and the trial results say that it doesn't full stop.

And also tell me when all the restrictions will stop.

And what do you mean by "fir the most part"

It doesn't sound like you fixed it at all.

(closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"She is unsure, but will have it, I don't want to just yet but feel that to do anything in the future I will have to have it...

i fixed that for you ... the long term plan is still that once enough people have had both injections it will for the most part achieve all 3 but that takes time

Please can you fix it properly and tell me how much time it will take to stop you getting it or passing it on, because all the experts and the trial results say that it doesn't full stop.

And also tell me when all the restrictions will stop.

And what do you mean by "fir the most part"

It doesn't sound like you fixed it at all."

the testing is still ongoing, and the vaccine is still being rolled out ... given a section of society are currently refusing to have it how would you like the timeline of when we will manage to talk some sense into them and get herd immunity to be calculated?

you have confused absence of evidence with evidence of absence

the science behind a vaccine is that it your body is primed to fight the virus faster therefore reducing your viral load you are able to pass on, if you are passing to another vaccinated person this happens in repeat with a lower viral load to start with , and so on and so on til the virus becomes something we no longer have to worry about because viral load is not large enough to make you sick ...

and when serious cases come down and we don’t have to worry about it we don’t need to keep people home to protect the vulnerable because we have the vaccine doing that for us

(closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately

By *hatawasteMan
over a year ago

stafford

"She is unsure, but will have it, I don't want to just yet but feel that to do anything in the future I will have to have it...

i fixed that for you ... the long term plan is still that once enough people have had both injections it will for the most part achieve all 3 but that takes time

Please can you fix it properly and tell me how much time it will take to stop you getting it or passing it on, because all the experts and the trial results say that it doesn't full stop.

And also tell me when all the restrictions will stop.

And what do you mean by "fir the most part"

It doesn't sound like you fixed it at all."

Quite dissapointed people are still talking out and arguing over this ..surely the message is crystal clear by now ?

it should be clear that pretty soon the following will apply to most people

Take the vaccine or

Don't go into pubs ,resurants ,gyms ,classes ,gigs or festivals again because without proof the licensee can refuse to let you in .. they have a duty of care to their customers

Don't think about flying abroad or a holiday outside the UK

Don't panic when your life,car insurance etc goes up because I think it will similarly rent for accomodation contracts may change too

Don't apply for any jobs that involve working alongside other people in any capacity ( see duty of care comment )

Other than that anti vaxers will I am sure do just fine !

(closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately

By *anarkshirelassCouple
over a year ago

lanarkshire

As someone above has already allude to above.

As long as the 'non-receivers' are as direct and honest with the Hospitals and clearly state that they refused the vaccination and that they don't want any other medication prescribed to them to make them better should they be unfortunate enough to catch the virus, then I'm happy with free choice.

However, the cynical part of me says...they would accept anything stuck in their arm to save their lives at that stage.

(closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately

By *hatawasteMan
over a year ago

stafford

"As someone above has already allude to above.

However, the cynical part of me says...they would accept anything stuck in their arm to save their lives at that stage."

Exactly! ..even a condemned atheist will start to consider the existence of God on the steps to the gallows .. as they say ..

(closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately

By *iamondCougarWoman
over a year ago

Norfuck! / Lincolnshire

"I wont have it. I am not against vaccination in general, it is just that, how rushed this one is with no time for the testing of it."

It was given Emergency status. It hasn’t been rushed through at all. All stages of clinical trial have run concurrently to enable it to come to fruition sooner. No corners have been cut, nothing has been left out. Volunteers in the trial are monitored going forward. None have shown a reason to believe it has adverse effects.

Without a vaccine we will roll in and out of lockdown forever, there will be covid across the whole world still, people will continue to die.... in huge numbers

If you chose not to have that is your choice but you will remain susceptible, as will those who also decline. There will still be a virus breeding amongst you.... it’s a Russian Roulette high risk

(closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately

By *ickthelick2001Man
over a year ago

nottingham

"Seeing as the rushed out swine flu vaccine (Pandemrix) a few years ago ended in disaster, its a definite NO !!!

That's a bloody good reason not to have it. It was a rushed through vaccine with minimal testing.

But that's not my reason, I'm not having it because I choose not to, simple as that.

My own immune system is an amazing thing.

Me and my immune system will take our chances with the 99.3% survival rate.

I'm sorry that makes no sense at all,

You expect us who don't want to have a rushed out experimental vaccine selfish

yet you want us to give up our rights for your fear, i for one think you are selfish

(closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately

By *iamondCougarWoman
over a year ago

Norfuck! / Lincolnshire

"As someone above has already allude to above.

However, the cynical part of me says...they would accept anything stuck in their arm to save their lives at that stage."

But yet they are prepared to take that risk

(closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately

By *iamondCougarWoman
over a year ago

Norfuck! / Lincolnshire

"She is unsure, but will have it, I don't want to just yet but feel that to do anything in the future I will have to have it...

i fixed that for you ... the long term plan is still that once enough people have had both injections it will for the most part achieve all 3 but that takes time

Please can you fix it properly and tell me how much time it will take to stop you getting it or passing it on, because all the experts and the trial results say that it doesn't full stop.

And also tell me when all the restrictions will stop.

And what do you mean by "fir the most part"

It doesn't sound like you fixed it at all.

Quite dissapointed people are still talking out and arguing over this ..surely the message is crystal clear by now ?

it should be clear that pretty soon the following will apply to most people

Take the vaccine or

Don't go into pubs ,resurants ,gyms ,classes ,gigs or festivals again because without proof the licensee can refuse to let you in .. they have a duty of care to their customers

Don't think about flying abroad or a holiday outside the UK

Don't panic when your life,car insurance etc goes up because I think it will similarly rent for accomodation contracts may change too

Don't apply for any jobs that involve working alongside other people in any capacity ( see duty of care comment )

Other than that anti vaxers will I am sure do just fine ! "

Those are very good points

(closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately

By *lixir of lifeMan
over a year ago

knob Creek

I believe I have a social responsibility to have this and abolish this dreadful disease..

So a big fat YES !!

For the greater good, not thinking about myself..

(closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately

By * foxy coupleCouple
over a year ago

West Midlands

Yay, what's the alternative...continue as we are with continued lockdowns and over a 1000 dying each day

(closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately

By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

Yes.

(Does not slagging people off apply to both sides, or just those who are pro vaccination? Incidentally.)

(closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately

By *iamondCougarWoman
over a year ago

Norfuck! / Lincolnshire

"I believe I have a social responsibility to have this and abolish this dreadful disease..

So a big fat YES !!

For the greater good, not thinking about myself.."

That’s how we should all be thinking

(closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately

By *hatawasteMan
over a year ago

stafford

"Seeing as the rushed out swine flu vaccine (Pandemrix) a few years ago ended in disaster, its a definite NO !!!

That's a bloody good reason not to have it. It was a rushed through vaccine with minimal testing.

But that's not my reason, I'm not having it because I choose not to, simple as that.

My own immune system is an amazing thing.

Me and my immune system will take our chances with the 99.3% survival rate.

I'm sorry that makes no sense at all,

You expect us who don't want to have a rushed out experimental vaccine selfish

yet you want us to give up our rights for your fear, i for one think you are selfish "

I do want you to do that yes ! And do do a huge percentage of the population ..face facts ..look if I'm wrong then fair enough but I'll state this as a defence ..

I shouldn't have to be in the same place as someone who could potentially make me or my elderly relatives sick

If someone wants to be in the same place as me then they need to have the same bill if health as me .. otherwise I think that's both selfish and potentially a danger to my health .

Now those are my feelings ..

Let's look at the government ..

They kind of agree with me and are making it pretty clear that if you don't get immunity from Covid your life is likely to alter a bit in the future ..

Most people want the green light to get in with their lives and whether anyone likes it ,objects to it or runs off crying about it .. the country won't open up again without it .

So refusing it is actually damaging everyone just a bit

Isn't it ?

(closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately

By *partharmonyCouple
over a year ago

Ruislip

We'll have the jab. The Fauci Ouchie as one American child put it. The idea that it's going to be dangerous seems unfounded. I want the country to get back to normal. Vaccination is the only way for that to happen.

(closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately

By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"We'll have the jab. The Fauci Ouchie as one American child put it. The idea that it's going to be dangerous seems unfounded. I want the country to get back to normal. Vaccination is the only way for that to happen. "

Fauci Ouchie

that's cute

(closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately

By *iguy for funMan
over a year ago

CIRENCESTER

i'm in the yes camp although more interested in the longer term comments about the fact that you might need a passport to travel or to indeed get work/work with others.

interesting to note - what's the difference between asking those who have been vaccinated to prove it therefore to get access to jobs/shops/travel etc versus asking those who don't wear masks to prove why they can't???

and yes i'm a happy mask wearer btw

(closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

No.

I don't know anyone who would take it

(closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately

By *hagTonightMan
over a year ago

From the land of haribos.

"Yes.

(Does not slagging people off apply to both sides, or just those who are pro vaccination? Incidentally.)"
Yes. I have also noticed that too.

(closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Yes. My disabled daughter will be having it too"

How old is your daughter hun?.....I thought under 16 can’t have it.

(closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately

By *imes_berksMan
over a year ago

Bracknell

"No.

I don't know anyone who would take it

I will put the punctuation in for you Dave. No. I don't know anyone. Who would take it?

(closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately

By *hatawasteMan
over a year ago

stafford

"No.

I don't know anyone who would take it

Then I would suggest Telford will be one of the main places to avoid meets in the Midlands ..

(closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"No.

I don't know anyone who would take it

Then I would suggest Telford will be one of the main places to avoid meets in the Midlands ..

No one would want to meet you anyway

(closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately

By *izandpaulCouple
over a year ago

merseyside

I've never really thought about getting the sack but I have a vaccination card, had it for years, need it for the jabs to travel for work.

I suppose they wouldn't let me travel without them or countries wouldn't let me in. I've never questioned to point.

Covid jab, yes, no problem.

(closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately

By *pursChick aka ShortieWoman
over a year ago

On a mooch

I will decide when it’s my time, until then I’ll keep an eye on the research and it’s findings

(closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"i'm in the yes camp although more interested in the longer term comments about the fact that you might need a passport to travel or to indeed get work/work with others.

and yes i'm a happy mask wearer btw"

there is no difference other than some people that like to be vocal because its their right have heard the words equality act and discrimination, coupled with misreading the supermarket requirements as a reason to shout the word illegal about

supermarkets are offering all customers 2 choices - wear a mask or a display a lanyard/ other identifier of exemption ... all customers are treated equally and if you have one or the other you are not refused entry to the shop and no law is broken and nobody is discriminated against . the only people refused entry are people without either a mask or an exemption and those people would be breaking the law by trying to enter the shop without a mask anyway

(closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"i'm in the yes camp although more interested in the longer term comments about the fact that you might need a passport to travel or to indeed get work/work with others.

and yes i'm a happy mask wearer btw

most people that have been vocal about it on here btw haven’t objected to the supermarkets actual policies , they have been responding to other posts that suggest exemptions shouldn’t exist and people unable to wear a mask should just stay home indefinitely which would be marginalising people and therefore discrimination

(closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

yay

(closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"i'm in the yes camp although more interested in the longer term comments about the fact that you might need a passport to travel or to indeed get work/work with others.

and yes i'm a happy mask wearer btw

Exactly this.

And often the people have misunderstood what the supermarkets are actually saying and doing.

(closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'd have it when/if my turn arrives. We may different variants of the vaccine by then or maybe it's become less of a threat or it might be even worse.

We don't know what's around the corner. There might even be another unrelated virus emerge and those who have had this one might be the fortunate ones that it doesn't effect as much as those who forgo it.

(closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I'd have it when/if my turn arrives. We may different variants of the vaccine by then or maybe it's become less of a threat or it might be even worse.

That is my thinking to be honest and I'd rather the possibility of having some protection than none.

(closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Do people honestly think I'm going to let myself be injected with some mysterious genetically-engineered concoction designed in secret by Bill Gates and other Illuminati? Fuck yeah.

*unrolls sleeve*.

Ignorant twats like you are the reason the UK is in this state. "

Could you not recognise the sarcasm?....they WILL have the vaccine and were taking the piss out of ignorant conspiracy theorists....

(closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Aged 66 with diabetes, cholesterol and blood pressure? Yay!

(closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately

By *andS66Couple
over a year ago

Derby

"She is unsure, but will have it, I don't want to just yet but feel that to do anything in the future I will have to have it...

i fixed that for you ... the long term plan is still that once enough people have had both injections it will for the most part achieve all 3 but that takes time

Please can you fix it properly and tell me how much time it will take to stop you getting it or passing it on, because all the experts and the trial results say that it doesn't full stop.

And also tell me when all the restrictions will stop.

And what do you mean by "fir the most part"

It doesn't sound like you fixed it at all.

Quite dissapointed people are still talking out and arguing over this ..surely the message is crystal clear by now ?

it should be clear that pretty soon the following will apply to most people

Take the vaccine or

Don't go into pubs ,resurants ,gyms ,classes ,gigs or festivals again because without proof the licensee can refuse to let you in .. they have a duty of care to their customers

Don't think about flying abroad or a holiday outside the UK

Don't panic when your life,car insurance etc goes up because I think it will similarly rent for accomodation contracts may change too

Don't apply for any jobs that involve working alongside other people in any capacity ( see duty of care comment )

Other than that anti vaxers will I am sure do just fine ! "

Why do you think I'm an anti-vaxxer?

What I've said is that I don't want to have it just yet (I'd like to see more evidence about it tbh), but have said that I think that I'll effectively have to have it to have a life.

But, even when asked as to when and under what conditions restrictions can be eased, not one person can give any kind of sensible answer.

With regard to wanting more information about the vaccine, and people on here say "it's proven to be safe", and then also say "can't say when restrictions can be relaxed because it's still effectively being tested"....well, it's not as though government health agencies, scientists, and pharmacists companies have ever been economical with the truth to the point of lying, has it? I can think of 5 or 6 examples straight off.

And Pfizer alone have paid out over $3 Billion in compensation in the last decade or so.

(closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately

By *dsindyTV/TS
over a year ago

East Lancashire

Wish I had had it already, maybe it would have alleviated my symptoms and I wouldn't feel like 3 day washed up dog shit.

(closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately

By *tace 309TV/TS
over a year ago

durham

What gets me, are the actual figures for year ending 2019 for influenza,.

Deaths, 34,200

Hospitalizations 494,600

Bear in mind that's with a vaccine program as well

Do you find these figures acceptable

I certainly don't

But nobody seems to kick up any fuss about this.

(closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately

By *tace 309TV/TS
over a year ago

durham

I'm not an anti vaxer but I do question things on both sides

(closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately

By *tace 309TV/TS
over a year ago

durham

We have scientific experts who say if we can get the death toll down to 20000 then things, are OK

(closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately

By *ucka39Man
over a year ago

Newcastle

I doubt I'll be having it because before this virus was announced beginning of the year I had similar symptoms around Oct Nov year before like many apparently my immune system is very strong so strong I rarely get a cold or flu years can go back before I catch them and don't last long because my immune system fights back so wouldn't be putting loved ones at risk either from experience plus I'm very careful and have been throughout this pandemic and I eat enough goodness most won't understand but this helps to build your immune system barrier

Nah I shall not be...

(closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"We have scientific experts who say if we can get the death toll down to 20000 then things, are OK

That has never been said.

Before the 1st lockdown Chris whitty said if we have less than 20000 deaths we will be doing a good job and considering as we are over triple that!

(closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately

By *inky_couple2020Couple
over a year ago

North West

"I doubt I'll be having it because before this virus was announced beginning of the year I had similar symptoms around Oct Nov year before like many apparently my immune system is very strong so strong I rarely get a cold or flu years can go back before I catch them and don't last long because my immune system fights back so wouldn't be putting loved ones at risk either from experience plus I'm very careful and have been throughout this pandemic and I eat enough goodness most won't understand but this helps to build your immune system barrier

Nah I shall not be..."

Good luck with that approach. That's like saying you'll take a dip in the crocodile infested river, but it's fine, because you're a good swimmer and you'll outswim the crocs

(closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Nah I shall not be..."

It is entirely your decision whether you have the vaccine or not however you cannot complain if the restrictions go on longer because we cannot get the 66% uptake of the vaccine that we need to get herd immunity.

(closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yes, I'll be having it.

(closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately

By *ucka39Man
over a year ago

Newcastle

Nah I shall not be...

Good luck with that approach. That's like saying you'll take a dip in the crocodile infested river, but it's fine, because you're a good swimmer and you'll outswim the crocs

But I never said anything about that I could swim but for putting it out there I can't but everyone is made differently it's not about acting careless it's just we know ourselves better my doctor is surprised with my medical records how healthy I am with a very young outlook if you have a weak immune system then it's a reason to take advantage

(closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately

By *ucka39Man
over a year ago

Newcastle

Nah I shall not be...

I understand that I never complain I'm far from one of those people who do and as for the 66% it'll reach more than that before it even came across for people like myself as it's everyone who is classified as being at risk or putting another vulnerable at risk before it's people with no health conditions

(closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately

By *izandpaulCouple
over a year ago

merseyside

"She is unsure, but will have it, I don't want to just yet but feel that to do anything in the future I will have to have it...

i fixed that for you ... the long term plan is still that once enough people have had both injections it will for the most part achieve all 3 but that takes time

Please can you fix it properly and tell me how much time it will take to stop you getting it or passing it on, because all the experts and the trial results say that it doesn't full stop.

And also tell me when all the restrictions will stop.

And what do you mean by "fir the most part"

It doesn't sound like you fixed it at all.

Quite dissapointed people are still talking out and arguing over this ..surely the message is crystal clear by now ?

it should be clear that pretty soon the following will apply to most people

Take the vaccine or

Don't go into pubs ,resurants ,gyms ,classes ,gigs or festivals again because without proof the licensee can refuse to let you in .. they have a duty of care to their customers

Don't think about flying abroad or a holiday outside the UK

Don't panic when your life,car insurance etc goes up because I think it will similarly rent for accomodation contracts may change too

Don't apply for any jobs that involve working alongside other people in any capacity ( see duty of care comment )

Other than that anti vaxers will I am sure do just fine !

Why do you think I'm an anti-vaxxer?

What I've said is that I don't want to have it just yet (I'd like to see more evidence about it tbh), but have said that I think that I'll effectively have to have it to have a life.

But, even when asked as to when and under what conditions restrictions can be eased, not one person can give any kind of sensible answer.

And Pfizer alone have paid out over $3 Billion in compensation in the last decade or so."

I don't have a problem with you wanting to wait, good luck to you.

I'm happy to get the jab when my turn arrives.

Want to be able to travel again and get back to work, the novelty of working from home is wearing a bit thin but am mindful of others positions.

(closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Nah I shall not be...

No it won't because bearing in mind about 12% of the population cant have it for various reasons and neither can children.

We need everyone that can have it if we really want life to have any normal.

(closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately

By *inky_couple2020Couple
over a year ago

North West

Nah I shall not be...

Good luck with that approach. That's like saying you'll take a dip in the crocodile infested river, but it's fine, because you're a good swimmer and you'll outswim the crocs

Do you understand what an analogy is? I used an analogy.

Lots of people with apparently healthy immune systems, who've never so much sneezed in their lives are finding out, to their costs, that an entirely new infectious disease, that no-one had ever encountered until approx Nov 2019 (in China), is actually something to be reckoned with.

Every infectious disease that's been circulating for decades, you had at least passive exposure to via the placenta before you were even born. Perhaps more exposure still if you were breastfed. And you have encountered many other viruses, bacteria etc at low levels which have primed your immune system.

However, when something entirely new comes along, your immune system has an uphill battle and so, potentially, even the healthiest can be struck down.

(closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately

By *ocbigMan
over a year ago

Birmingham

Nah I shall not be...

Good luck with that approach. That's like saying you'll take a dip in the crocodile infested river, but it's fine, because you're a good swimmer and you'll outswim the crocs

He doesn’t have to put swim the crocs, just the other people at the swim party...

(closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately

By *ocGMan
over a year ago

Leicesters

First off my intent is to add to the thread not reply to a specific message (first time on this board so forgive me if Ive screwed it up)

I have had the first Pfizer vaccine as I work in health and am at risk. To dispel a few myths that I often read on forums.(I hope this is not taken as condescension)

Covid vaccine was rushed FALSE (corona virus is the same family as the common cold, they have been working on the sequencing for decades, all that had to be done was to modify it for the spike. Currently the vaccine will reduce the severity of the disease that you may catch, it does not automatically make you immune. The variants that we are seeing will come into the UK regardless as they are a mutation of the current virus. Mutations occur as the virus replicates. We need to maintain social distances and good hygiene with robust tracing and quarantine, as shit as that is it is the only way that the health service will be able to continue to provide the urgent and non urgent treatments that we as a population require. Covid is just the flu/or a hoax. In 30 years of critical care I have never seen a hoax kill healthy people. The pathology of this virus is seriously scary and patients can go from relatively well to critical in less than 60 min.

The goal of vaccination is to generate enough resilience in the population so we can deal with the aftermath and treat people effectively. In March 2020 survival from ICU for covid was around 25% now its 75% because we have learnt what works best.

(closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Nah I shall not be...

Good luck with that approach. That's like saying you'll take a dip in the crocodile infested river, but it's fine, because you're a good swimmer and you'll outswim the crocs

He doesn’t have to put swim the crocs, just the other people at the swim party..."

i guess crocs dont really work in this scenario ... out running zombies is maybe closer because each person at the party he outruns then becomes an additional risk to him

(closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately

By *ocbigMan
over a year ago

Birmingham

Good call analogy wise..

(closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately

By *ockosaurusMan
over a year ago

Warwick

Yep.

I was originally concerned with how it was made so quickly, but did some research and now understand it was not rushed, but was just done very efficiently and with as much testing as any other vaccines.

It may have some long term side effects, but so does Covid and I'd prefer to put my trust in science.

(closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately

By *ecretlyASoftie OP Woman
over a year ago

Hull but travel regularly

When you look back and see outright lies and damage done to people like this link from the British medical journal it’s not something I’d consider lightly

https://www.bmj.com/content/362/bmj.k3948

(closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Yep.

It may have some long term side effects, but so does Covid and I'd prefer to put my trust in science.

the most sensible post I’ve seen ... totally natural to have reservations before knowing the facts ... we compare things to what we know and we didn’t have experience of seeing vaccines released so quickly ... but a little bit of research should alleviate those concerns rather than what i frequently read which is its been rushed so I’m not having it end of discussion

(closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately

By *pursChick aka ShortieWoman
over a year ago

On a mooch

"Yep.

It may have some long term side effects, but so does Covid and I'd prefer to put my trust in science.

Makes sense. For me it’s waiting to see which one is being used at the time offered, following the research on its effectiveness and alike. I’m way down the queue so more information to come

(closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately

By *inky_couple2020Couple
over a year ago

North West

"When you look back and see outright lies and damage done to people like this link from the British medical journal it’s not something I’d consider lightly

https://www.bmj.com/content/362/bmj.k3948"

The MHRA specifically stated that any vaccine receiving emergency approval (as the Covid ones have) must still satisfy all the usual regulatory hoops. Pandemrix was given emergency approval after bypassing some of the usual controls and so highlights exactly why the controls cannot be skipped.

(closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately

By *nsatiableVykingMan
over a year ago

dartmoor

"Following the story that many caters won’t have the jab, https://m.fabswingers.com/forum/virus/1115586, I believe that everyone has the right to explicit voluntary consent and no mandatory vaccine

So given self determination, is the vaccine a yay or nay for you? Please no attacking others for their right to choose

Nay, soesnt it take years to develope any new medication

(closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately

By *nsatiableVykingMan
over a year ago

dartmoor

"I wont have it. I am not against vaccination in general, it is just that, how rushed this one is with no time for the testing of it."

Exactly, it doesnt sit well with me, I'll fight to the death to not have it, it seems crazy to me tbh

(closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Following the story that many caters won’t have the jab, https://m.fabswingers.com/forum/virus/1115586, I believe that everyone has the right to explicit voluntary consent and no mandatory vaccine

So given self determination, is the vaccine a yay or nay for you? Please no attacking others for their right to choose

Nay, soesnt it take years to develope any new medication"

so no because you think you maybe know something that you haven’t even done any research to confirm either way?

(closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately

By *inky_couple2020Couple
over a year ago

North West

"Following the story that many caters won’t have the jab, https://m.fabswingers.com/forum/virus/1115586, I believe that everyone has the right to explicit voluntary consent and no mandatory vaccine

So given self determination, is the vaccine a yay or nay for you? Please no attacking others for their right to choose

Nay, soesnt it take years to develope any new medication"

The biggest obstacle to more rapid development of drugs and vaccines is money. Remove that obstacle and things move far quicker: https://www.theguardian.com/society/2020/dec/08/how-has-a-covid-vaccine-been-developed-so-quickly

(closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately

By *nsatiableVykingMan
over a year ago

dartmoor

[Removed by poster at 24/01/21 23:01:58]

(closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately

By *nsatiableVykingMan
over a year ago

dartmoor

"Seeing as the rushed out swine flu vaccine (Pandemrix) a few years ago ended in disaster, its a definite NO !!!

Exactly, I am surprised by the yes vote on ere, just goes to show that us brits are happy to just roll over like a puppy and do anything the goverment tells us, im looking forward to some sort of revolution, but i suspect that'll never happen in the uk!

(closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately

By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

"Seeing as the rushed out swine flu vaccine (Pandemrix) a few years ago ended in disaster, its a definite NO !!!

Exactly, I am surorused by the yes vite on ere, just goes to show that us brits are hapoy to just roll over like a puppy and do anything the goverment tells us, im looking forward to some sort of revolution, but i suspect that'll never happen in the uk!

All you've done in your last three posts is agree with inaccuracies, and your talking about revolution?

Pardon me if I don't join in until I'm more assured you've actually researched what that means..

(closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately

By *nsatiableVykingMan
over a year ago

dartmoor

"Following the story that many caters won’t have the jab, https://m.fabswingers.com/forum/virus/1115586, I believe that everyone has the right to explicit voluntary consent and no mandatory vaccine

So given self determination, is the vaccine a yay or nay for you? Please no attacking others for their right to choose

Nay, soesnt it take years to develope any new medication

so no because you think you maybe know something that you haven’t even done any research to confirm either way? "

Thats a very presumtious reply?

(closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately

By *eukcplCouple
over a year ago

durham

It's a nay for me for now.

as I do my own research.

No evidence as yet that it stops you catching it, spreading it, or still getting seriously poorly from it.

And last rushed vaccine swine flu well do your own research on that one.

(closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately

By *nsatiableVykingMan
over a year ago

dartmoor

"Seeing as the rushed out swine flu vaccine (Pandemrix) a few years ago ended in disaster, its a definite NO !!!

All you've done in your last three posts is agree with inaccuracies, and your talking about revolution?

Pardon me if I don't join in until I'm more assured you've actually researched what that means.."

Yours is merely an opinion, as is mine friend

(closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I'm not an anti vaxer but I do question things on both sides "

I'm completely with you on this.

(closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately

By *nsatiableVykingMan
over a year ago

dartmoor

"Following the story that many caters won’t have the jab, https://m.fabswingers.com/forum/virus/1115586, I believe that everyone has the right to explicit voluntary consent and no mandatory vaccine

So given self determination, is the vaccine a yay or nay for you? Please no attacking others for their right to choose

Nay, soesnt it take years to develope any new medication

Urm an article in a newspaper? We all know they are factual!

(closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately

By *andS66Couple
over a year ago

Derby

"When you look back and see outright lies and damage done to people like this link from the British medical journal it’s not something I’d consider lightly

https://www.bmj.com/content/362/bmj.k3948

Pandemrix was developed and patented in 2006 by GSK, and approved for use 3 years later by the EMA. Doesn't seem like a particularly rushed process to me.

(closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately

By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"Seeing as the rushed out swine flu vaccine (Pandemrix) a few years ago ended in disaster, its a definite NO !!!

I'm all for revolution but not on the basis of a vaccine that will prevent 2000 people dying a die.

It's an aye for me.

(closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Following the story that many caters won’t have the jab, https://m.fabswingers.com/forum/virus/1115586, I believe that everyone has the right to explicit voluntary consent and no mandatory vaccine

So given self determination, is the vaccine a yay or nay for you? Please no attacking others for their right to choose

Nay, soesnt it take years to develope any new medication

so no because you think you maybe know something that you haven’t even done any research to confirm either way?

Thats a very presumtious reply?"

well the phrase “doesn’t it” suggests you have a hypothesis that you are unsure of

and any form of research would have cleared up your inaccuracies

so no i don’t think i did presume, i think i just interpreted your post in the way standard english language and logic says it should be read

(closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Following the story that many caters won’t have the jab, https://m.fabswingers.com/forum/virus/1115586, I believe that everyone has the right to explicit voluntary consent and no mandatory vaccine

So given self determination, is the vaccine a yay or nay for you? Please no attacking others for their right to choose

Nay, soesnt it take years to develope any new medication

Urm an article in a newspaper? We all know they are factual! "

as opposed to the assurances a couple of posts on a fab forum have given you that your belief the vaccine had not been tested is correct

(closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately

By *eukcplCouple
over a year ago

durham

"When you look back and see outright lies and damage done to people like this link from the British medical journal it’s not something I’d consider lightly

https://www.bmj.com/content/362/bmj.k3948

Obviously it was either rushed or they new people would become brain dead.or get narcolepsy,catoplexy.

So if a 3yr vaccine does this damage what does it say about this rushed vaccine.

Pandemrix was developed and patented in 2006 by GSK, and approved for use 3 years later by the EMA. Doesn't seem like a particularly rushed process to me."

(closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately

By *nsatiableVykingMan
over a year ago

dartmoor

[Removed by poster at 24/01/21 23:17:22]

(closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"When you look back and see outright lies and damage done to people like this link from the British medical journal it’s not something I’d consider lightly

https://www.bmj.com/content/362/bmj.k3948

Obviously it was either rushed or they new people would become brain dead.or get narcolepsy,catoplexy.

So if a 3yr vaccine does this damage what does it say about this rushed vaccine.

Pandemrix was developed and patented in 2006 by GSK, and approved for use 3 years later by the EMA. Doesn't seem like a particularly rushed process to me."

or given that there are many many more non problematic vaccines the conclusion you could draw is that the timeline is irrelevant and we should measure against the quality of testing

(closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately

By *ucka39Man
over a year ago

Newcastle

Nah I shall not be...

Good luck with that approach. That's like saying you'll take a dip in the crocodile infested river, but it's fine, because you're a good swimmer and you'll outswim the crocs

He doesn’t have to put swim the crocs, just the other people at the swim party..."

I'm guessing you're aware from the previous pandemic like the swine flu the damage it caused from a vaccine yet amount of prescribed medication kills people slowly all known to carry some type of disease and as Nostradamus stated their will be no vaccine made that would be a cure I'll stick with him and the virus is coming back in 10 years after it has decided to go maybe between this time they'll be an accurate vaccine that isn't going to be harmful mind you Nostradamus has never been wrong when you look back at history....

(closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately

By *nsatiableVykingMan
over a year ago

dartmoor

"Following the story that many caters won’t have the jab, https://m.fabswingers.com/forum/virus/1115586, I believe that everyone has the right to explicit voluntary consent and no mandatory vaccine

So given self determination, is the vaccine a yay or nay for you? Please no attacking others for their right to choose

Nay, soesnt it take years to develope any new medication

so no because you think you maybe know something that you haven’t even done any research to confirm either way?

Thats a very presumtious reply?

well the phrase “doesn’t it” suggests you have a hypothesis that you are unsure of

and any form of research would have cleared up your inaccuracies

so no i don’t think i did presume, i think i just interpreted your post in the way standard english language and logic says it should be read "

Ha apologies for not being so clever with the english language as yourselves, Out!

(closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"[Removed by poster at 24/01/21 23:17:22]"

ive never seen a shark so sharks dont exist

i dont know anyone who’s had a gang bang so gang bangs are a lie

none of my circle have had a mis carriage so its a lie that it happens so commonly

... you see how not having personal experience of something doesn’t necessarily mean that its a fabrication?

(closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately

By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

Nah I shall not be...

Good luck with that approach. That's like saying you'll take a dip in the crocodile infested river, but it's fine, because you're a good swimmer and you'll outswim the crocs

He doesn’t have to put swim the crocs, just the other people at the swim party...

So ignore real science now yet put faith in some bloke who essentially covered every possible scenario of every probable outcome..

Ok..

(closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Following the story that many caters won’t have the jab, https://m.fabswingers.com/forum/virus/1115586, I believe that everyone has the right to explicit voluntary consent and no mandatory vaccine

So given self determination, is the vaccine a yay or nay for you? Please no attacking others for their right to choose

Nay, soesnt it take years to develope any new medication

so no because you think you maybe know something that you haven’t even done any research to confirm either way?

Thats a very presumtious reply?

well the phrase “doesn’t it” suggests you have a hypothesis that you are unsure of

and any form of research would have cleared up your inaccuracies

so no i don’t think i did presume, i think i just interpreted your post in the way standard english language and logic says it should be read

Ha apologies for not being so clever with the english language as yourselves, Out! "

well was i wrong? because if you have tried to confirm or deny your hypothesis i suggest you try more reputable sources

(closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately

By *nsatiableVykingMan
over a year ago

dartmoor

"[Removed by poster at 24/01/21 23:17:22]

ive never seen a shark so sharks dont exist

i dont know anyone who’s had a gang bang so gang bangs are a lie

none of my circle have had a mis carriage so its a lie that it happens so commonly

... you see how not having personal experience of something doesn’t necessarily mean that its a fabrication?

Exactly, never question anything like a good puppy

(closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately

By *nsatiableVykingMan
over a year ago

dartmoor

"Following the story that many caters won’t have the jab, https://m.fabswingers.com/forum/virus/1115586, I believe that everyone has the right to explicit voluntary consent and no mandatory vaccine

So given self determination, is the vaccine a yay or nay for you? Please no attacking others for their right to choose

I quote! "Please no attacking others for their right to choose"

At the end of the day, yours, mine, everybodies is just an opinion

Peace and love and goodnight

(closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"[Removed by poster at 24/01/21 23:17:22]

ive never seen a shark so sharks dont exist

i dont know anyone who’s had a gang bang so gang bangs are a lie

none of my circle have had a mis carriage so its a lie that it happens so commonly

... you see how not having personal experience of something doesn’t necessarily mean that its a fabrication?

Exactly, never question anything like a good puppy

except my response has been to you to go and do some research ... literally go question what you think you know

but yes im a puppy and you are an enlightened revolutionary who will “fight to the death” to refuse something designed to reduce your chance of death ... let the irony of that sink in

(closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately

By *nsatiableVykingMan
over a year ago

dartmoor

"[Removed by poster at 24/01/21 23:17:22]

ive never seen a shark so sharks dont exist

i dont know anyone who’s had a gang bang so gang bangs are a lie

none of my circle have had a mis carriage so its a lie that it happens so commonly

... you see how not having personal experience of something doesn’t necessarily mean that its a fabrication?

Exactly, never question anything like a good puppy

except my response has been to you to go and do some research ... literally go question what you think you know

but yes im a puppy and you are an enlightened revolutionary who will “fight to the death” to refuse something designed to reduce your chance of death ... let the irony of that sink in "

As a human i have the right to choose and its a Nay from me, something isnt right about the whole thing? You only have to look at the goverments own disease control report from this week to realise that

(closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately

By *ucka39Man
over a year ago

Newcastle

Nah I shall not be...

Good luck with that approach. That's like saying you'll take a dip in the crocodile infested river, but it's fine, because you're a good swimmer and you'll outswim the crocs

Do you understand what an analogy is? I used an analogy.

However, when something entirely new comes along, your immune system has an uphill battle and so, potentially, even the healthiest can be struck down."

I'll happily take my chances and I'll wish you well with your vaccination genetics and genes have a huge part to play in the human body and lifestyles and amount of prescribed medication is killing millions or billions through the same industry causing illnesses cancer was a man made illness same way rest have been through prescription drugs known fact

(closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately

By *ungblackbullMan
over a year ago

scotland

"What gets me, are the actual figures for year ending 2019 for influenza,.

Deaths, 34,200

Hospitalizations 494,600

Bear in mind that's with a vaccine program as well

Do you find these figures acceptable

I certainly don't

But nobody seems to kick up any fuss about this.

Source?????? Load of bullshit.

(closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately

By *ucka39Man
over a year ago

Newcastle

Nah I shall not be...

Good luck with that approach. That's like saying you'll take a dip in the crocodile infested river, but it's fine, because you're a good swimmer and you'll outswim the crocs

He doesn’t have to put swim the crocs, just the other people at the swim party...

So ignore real science now yet put faith in some bloke who essentially covered every possible scenario of every probable outcome..

Ok.."

I'll keep my faith in the guy who was smart enough to predict the future and has been wrong about the past so far I knew this virus was coming before you because I have the book but do you know the outcome of the vaccine

(closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately

By *ungblackbullMan
over a year ago

scotland

Nah I shall not be...

Good luck with that approach. That's like saying you'll take a dip in the crocodile infested river, but it's fine, because you're a good swimmer and you'll outswim the crocs

He doesn’t have to put swim the crocs, just the other people at the swim party...

https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-factcheck-coronavirus-nostradamus-idUSKCN21R388

(closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately

By *ungblackbullMan
over a year ago

scotland

"Following the story that many caters won’t have the jab, https://m.fabswingers.com/forum/virus/1115586, I believe that everyone has the right to explicit voluntary consent and no mandatory vaccine

So given self determination, is the vaccine a yay or nay for you? Please no attacking others for their right to choose

Nay, soesnt it take years to develope any new medication"

It takes more years to get through the red tape than actually develop and test...

(closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately

By *ungblackbullMan
over a year ago

scotland

"[Removed by poster at 24/01/21 23:17:22]

ive never seen a shark so sharks dont exist

i dont know anyone who’s had a gang bang so gang bangs are a lie

none of my circle have had a mis carriage so its a lie that it happens so commonly

... you see how not having personal experience of something doesn’t necessarily mean that its a fabrication?

Exactly, never question anything like a good puppy

except my response has been to you to go and do some research ... literally go question what you think you know

but yes im a puppy and you are an enlightened revolutionary who will “fight to the death” to refuse something designed to reduce your chance of death ... let the irony of that sink in

And it states???

(closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately

By *inky_couple2020Couple
over a year ago

North West

" genes have a huge part to play in the human body "

A huge part to play? Genes encode every single tiny little thing that makes up the human body, plus all the commensal microorganisms that we cannot function without. Yes, there can be external influence upon some traits (like weight - partly genetic influence, much is environmental). But no matter, for example, what you eat or think or believe, you can't change your HLA type (which dictates your immune system), your red blood cell type or frankly many aspects of what constitutes a healthy, functional body. You can have the healthiest diet and lifestyle in the world, but if you have one copy of the BRCA1 gene, the chances of one developing breast or uterine cancer is fantastically higher than those without that mutation. For comparison, lifetime risk for breast cancer is 12.5% but rises to 60-90% for people with the mutated gene. These people cannot eat or train or pray themselves from developing cancer, because it's substantially dictated by their genes.

Going back to HLA type, this is one probable reason why there's so many differing outcomes for Covid, despite apparent similarities in gender, age or other risk factors. The inherent genetic coding of the immune system is more than likely the reason.

Genes aren't just important. They are us.

(closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately

By *lowstick66Man
over a year ago

[Removed by poster at 24/01/21 23:56:05]

(closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately

By *ecretlyASoftie OP Woman
over a year ago

Hull but travel regularly

"[Removed by poster at 24/01/21 23:17:22]

ive never seen a shark so sharks dont exist

i dont know anyone who’s had a gang bang so gang bangs are a lie

none of my circle have had a mis carriage so its a lie that it happens so commonly

... you see how not having personal experience of something doesn’t necessarily mean that its a fabrication?

Exactly, never question anything like a good puppy

except my response has been to you to go and do some research ... literally go question what you think you know

but yes im a puppy and you are an enlightened revolutionary who will “fight to the death” to refuse something designed to reduce your chance of death ... let the irony of that sink in

I haven’t seen that but something definitely isn’t right

(closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately

By *inky_couple2020Couple
over a year ago

North West

Nah I shall not be...

Good luck with that approach. That's like saying you'll take a dip in the crocodile infested river, but it's fine, because you're a good swimmer and you'll outswim the crocs

He doesn’t have to put swim the crocs, just the other people at the swim party...

https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-factcheck-coronavirus-nostradamus-idUSKCN21R388"

Good old Nostradamus. How many times have his end of world predictions come true? And now does a man who died in 1566 make predictions about a technology that did not exist in his lifetime? Variolation was in it's infancy in the Far East in his life but was not introduced to Europe until about 200yrs after his death. The first vaccine in the way we accept now (inducing immunity by using a weaker form or inactivated form of a pathogen) was done by Edward Jenner on Thomas Phipps in 1796.

Obviously Nostradamus' predictive powers re: vaccines also failed him on the subject of smallpox, which was eradicated thanks to mass vaccination across the world.

(closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately

By *ungblackbullMan
over a year ago

scotland

" genes have a huge part to play in the human body

Genes aren't just important. They are us. "

You clearly know your stuff. Hardly a surprise you going to get the vaccine. Maybe some of those Nays need to wake up and realise that the ones on here that make educated comments are Yes.

I'm terms of testing, out of the top 10 trials ever conducted in terms of participants, 5 of them have been for covid vaccines. But, for some, they haven't been tested enough??!? Unbelievable.

(closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately

By *lowstick66Man
over a year ago

official figures are available for all to see on the

Notifications of infectious diseases (NOIDs) gov website

(closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately