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"I live in Northampton. No difference really "To many addicts. Your getting confused fella | |||
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"I live in Northampton. No difference really To many addicts. Your getting confused fella "Ah yes , that's it , my apologies | |||
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"Hooray for vaccination" Not for me. Not putting that chemically induced shit in my body | |||
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"Hooray for vaccination Not for me. Not putting that chemically induced shit in my body " So you'd rather have that covid shit in your body? | |||
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"Hooray for vaccination Not for me. Not putting that chemically induced shit in my body " What about all the other vaccines you’ve had during your life? What was different about them? And if we’re talking chemically induced shit what about all the chemicals in most processed foods? Not concerned about those? | |||
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"Hooray for vaccination Not for me. Not putting that chemically induced shit in my body " Very socially responsible. | |||
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"Hooray for vaccination Not for me. Not putting that chemically induced shit in my body " Oh I'd like to say a lot to this but you ain't worth the ban . | |||
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let me share it with you ...
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"Hooray for vaccination Not for me. Not putting that chemically induced shit in my body " You do realise you put 'chemically induced shit' in your body everyday. It's called food and drink. | |||
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"5th wave of the virus is coming. Then we are all fucked. The Zombie Apocalypse is upon us. " You've just made me feel a lot better , especially when one of my family is lying in hospital fighting for her life :-/ Theres one on every street !! | |||
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"Hooray for vaccination Not for me. Not putting that chemically induced shit in my body You do realise you put 'chemically induced shit' in your body everyday. It's called food and drink." Or chemicals in smoking cigarettes | |||
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"Hooray for vaccination Not for me. Not putting that chemically induced shit in my body You do realise you put 'chemically induced shit' in your body everyday. It's called food and drink. Or chemicals in smoking cigarettes" Or chemicals in vaping. | |||
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" Not putting that chemically induced shit in my body " Covid likes this | |||
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"Hooray for vaccination Not for me. Not putting that chemically induced shit in my body What about all the other vaccines you’ve had during your life? What was different about them? And if we’re talking chemically induced shit what about all the chemicals in most processed foods? Not concerned about those? " About 10 years of development for starters | |||
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"Hooray for vaccination Not for me. Not putting that chemically induced shit in my body " Are you begbie from trainspotting..?  | |||
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"Op - you smoke, I think that is *possibly* slightly worse than a vaccine?" Just wondering how came to that conclusion considering the vaccine Only been about a few months and it the unknown | |||
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Like, yeah Covid is bad but solution coming... was all. Sorry. | |||
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"Op - you smoke, I think that is *possibly* slightly worse than a vaccine? Just wondering how came to that conclusion considering the vaccine Only been about a few months and it the unknown The vaccine is new, but the ingredients aren’t. " | |||
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"Op - you smoke, I think that is *possibly* slightly worse than a vaccine? Just wondering how came to that conclusion considering the vaccine Only been about a few months and it the unknown " Yes, the long term effects of the vaccine may not be known for some time but we are all well aware of the effects of smoking so we can be confident in saying those chemicals are definitely harmful. I’d opt for the potentially life saving vaccine over the potentially life threatening cigarette anyday. Lou x | |||
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"Hooray for vaccination Not for me. Not putting that chemically induced shit in my body So you'd rather have that covid shit in your body?" Not saying that. I just don’t trust the government or the pharmaceutical companies | |||
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"Hooray for vaccination Not for me. Not putting that chemically induced shit in my body So you'd rather have that covid shit in your body?" The vaccine is covid-19. Lol either way shit will enter the body. | |||
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"Op - you smoke, I think that is *possibly* slightly worse than a vaccine?" | |||
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"Hooray for vaccination Not for me. Not putting that chemically induced shit in my body Are you begbie from trainspotting..? "Awesome film. Second one was shit | |||
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"Hooray for vaccination Not for me. Not putting that chemically induced shit in my body " What do you smoke? | |||
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"Yes, see the bullying is getting warmed up nicely. " Its ok to bully if your anti vaxx I checked the forum rukes  | |||
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"Op - you smoke, I think that is *possibly* slightly worse than a vaccine?" I smoke dried banana skins | |||
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"Hooray for vaccination Not for me. Not putting that chemically induced shit in my body What do you smoke?" Dried banana skins | |||
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"Yes, see the bullying is getting warmed up nicely. " Let them. | |||
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"Hooray for vaccination Not for me. Not putting that chemically induced shit in my body So you'd rather have that covid shit in your body? Not saying that. I just don’t trust the government or the pharmaceutical companies " But you trust tobacco companies...? BIZARRE! | |||
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"I live in Northampton. No difference really "Agreed there is no lockdown in Northampton | |||
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"Op - you smoke, I think that is *possibly* slightly worse than a vaccine? I smoke dried banana skins" How dare you make a choice what you put in your body, adolf certainly wouldn't aprove! | |||
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"Op - you smoke, I think that is *possibly* slightly worse than a vaccine? I smoke dried banana skins How dare you make a choice what you put in your body, adolf certainly wouldn't aprove!" A vaccine that will reduce the likelihood of you catching a deadly disease. A tryant who killed millions of people That is some venn diagram. | |||
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"Op - you smoke, I think that is *possibly* slightly worse than a vaccine? Just wondering how came to that conclusion considering the vaccine Only been about a few months and it the unknown Yes, the long term effects of the vaccine may not be known for some time but we are all well aware of the effects of smoking so we can be confident in saying those chemicals are definitely harmful. I’d opt for the potentially life saving vaccine over the potentially life threatening cigarette anyday. Lou x " Fair enough each to their own i guess, i know of someone that took it 2 days later they are pushing up the daisy's, its 50/50 if the vaccine played a part but it the game of Russian roulette you play The effect of cigarettes have been studied for years If hypothetical we met in a club and we decided to play and said i bear back only "im safe!" Whould you? This how some feel about the vaccine, | |||
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"5th wave of the virus is coming. Then we are all fucked. The Zombie Apocalypse is upon us. " Such a happy post | |||
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"Op - you smoke, I think that is *possibly* slightly worse than a vaccine? I smoke dried banana skins How dare you make a choice what you put in your body, adolf certainly wouldn't aprove! A vaccine that will reduce the likelihood of you catching a deadly disease. A tryant who killed millions of people That is some venn diagram." Why thank you! Im not sure what a venn diagram is but I'll take the compliment. | |||
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"Hooray for vaccination Not for me. Not putting that chemically induced shit in my body So you'd rather have that covid shit in your body? Not saying that. I just don’t trust the government or the pharmaceutical companies " Don’t trust them to do or not do what? Not saying you are wrong, just wondering what/where the mistrust is coming from. | |||
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"Op - you smoke, I think that is *possibly* slightly worse than a vaccine? Just wondering how came to that conclusion considering the vaccine Only been about a few months and it the unknown Yes, the long term effects of the vaccine may not be known for some time but we are all well aware of the effects of smoking so we can be confident in saying those chemicals are definitely harmful. I’d opt for the potentially life saving vaccine over the potentially life threatening cigarette anyday. Lou x Fair enough each to their own i guess, i know of someone that took it 2 days later they are pushing up the daisy's, its 50/50 if the vaccine played a part but it the game of Russian roulette you play The effect of cigarettes have been studied for years If hypothetical we met in a club and we decided to play and said i bear back only "im safe!" Whould you? This how some feel about the vaccine, " I wouldn’t bareback with anyone but my husband. I wouldn’t smoke either. But I would have the vaccine. And if I play with someone who isn’t vaccinated my risk would still be lower as I’ve been vaccinated myself. I know many people who have had it over the last month and other than a sore arm for a day they’re perfectly fine. I don’t think the government would be giving it to the NHS staff and risk killing them off at any time, let alone right now. I’ve had covid, it’s not pleasant and I don’t fancy having it again. Lou x | |||
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"Op - you smoke, I think that is *possibly* slightly worse than a vaccine? I smoke dried banana skins" I wasn’t being horrible. It was genuine puzzlement. Smoking is surely far worse than the vaccine? | |||
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"5th wave of the virus is coming. Then we are all fucked. The Zombie Apocalypse is upon us. " 5th? We haven't finished the 2nd yet! | |||
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" Hooray for vaccination Not for me. Not putting that chemically induced shit in my body " And yet you inhale chemically induced shit every time to light up a cigarette! Just be patient, if the virus doesn't kill you, cigarettes will! | |||
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"5th wave of the virus is coming. Then we are all fucked. The Zombie Apocalypse is upon us. 5th? We haven't finished the 2nd yet! " 2nd peaked in late Ñovember....this is 3rd and counting..... ! | |||
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"Hooray for vaccination Not for me. Not putting that chemically induced shit in my body What about all the other vaccines you’ve had during your life? What was different about them? And if we’re talking chemically induced shit what about all the chemicals in most processed foods? Not concerned about those? About 10 years of development for starters " Interestingly the biggest time limitation on the development of vaccines is funding. Most scientific research is greatly underfunded and getting funding is an ongoing battle which delays and drags on development. It shouldn’t take 10 years to develop a vaccine but it does because of lack of funding and focus. The unified effort and unlimited funding around the development of the Covid vaccine is the main reasons it was able to be developed so quickly. It sounds silly but when everyone works together and money isn’t a factor things really can be done that quickly and safely. | |||
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"Don't attack the poster please or discuss his profile. He is allowed to say he doesn't want the vaccine, I think there has only been one person ask why, we could get a discussion going." Thank you for your honesty and compassion | |||
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"Why does everyone jump on someone who has decided not to get this damn vaccine? For god sake. I am an avid chemistry student in my second year and have spent the last 12 months doing nothing but learning and researching. I will not be receiving this vaccine and neither will my already vulnerable family of whom 3 have already had covid and as some know, isn't bloody nice! Most people are willingly accepting a vaccine which has completely bypassed the human trials, oh hang on .. we are the human trials.There has not been anywhere near enough study on how or if the concoction within the MRNA vacine ( which is a completely brand new type vaccine btw, not old) could or will react with the vast amount of medication people take or if there could be any kind of adverse reactions in the future... these are just two basic question with no answers. Thimerosal (mercury, which is very nearly radioactive) is used as a preservative agent... why? with all of the synthetic preservatives there are nowadays? There is no studies to say this vaccine actually works. There are no studies considering whether there could be long term side effects and the vaccine companies themselves hold zero indemnity. Is that not scary? This should come down to each and every persons individual choice as to whether they want to try this vaccine. Pro choice not pro bullying people and shaming them for their choice to not take it. I understand people are scared and looking for a way out of this quickly whilst putting your trust into the government. Look at the track record of the government making the right choices whereby the health of it's citizens are put first. It's never happened and it hasn't just miraculously started now. " Most vaccines have zero indemnity, the government however are still liable and use a vaccine payout scheme if something does go wrong. This has been used 941 times since 1979. So a very small number compared to how many have had vaccines in 40 years. This one will be no different . | |||
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"I would say that the piling on, rightly or wrongly is down to it not simply being a personal decision in its effects, until everyone is safe, no one is safe. Mercury nearly radioactive? Nearly is not good enough, I have no idea of the science & why other preservatives are not used, perhaps to do with interactions with the current ingredients? I mean it is hardly practical to store at minus temperatures..but that’s what we got." Is mercury used in the ingredients ? | |||
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"5th wave of the virus is coming. Then we are all fucked. The Zombie Apocalypse is upon us. " Oh Lord happy days. | |||
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"Hooray for vaccination Not for me. Not putting that chemically induced shit in my body " How can a chemical itself be chemically induced? | |||
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"Hooray for vaccination Not for me. Not putting that chemically induced shit in my body Oh I'd like to say a lot to this but you ain't worth the ban ." Likewise mate I'm still fucked from covid | |||
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"Why does everyone jump on someone who has decided not to get this damn vaccine? For god sake. I am an avid chemistry student in my second year and have spent the last 12 months doing nothing but learning and researching. I will not be receiving this vaccine and neither will my already vulnerable family of whom 3 have already had covid and as some know, isn't bloody nice! Most people are willingly accepting a vaccine which has completely bypassed the human trials, oh hang on .. we are the human trials.There has not been anywhere near enough study on how or if the concoction within the MRNA vacine ( which is a completely brand new type vaccine btw, not old) could or will react with the vast amount of medication people take or if there could be any kind of adverse reactions in the future... these are just two basic question with no answers. Thimerosal (mercury, which is very nearly radioactive) is used as a preservative agent... why? with all of the synthetic preservatives there are nowadays? There is no studies to say this vaccine actually works. There are no studies considering whether there could be long term side effects and the vaccine companies themselves hold zero indemnity. Is that not scary? This should come down to each and every persons individual choice as to whether they want to try this vaccine. Pro choice not pro bullying people and shaming them for their choice to not take it. I understand people are scared and looking for a way out of this quickly whilst putting your trust into the government. Look at the track record of the government making the right choices whereby the health of it's citizens are put first. It's never happened and it hasn't just miraculously started now. " Wow. I couldn’t of put that better myself. Someone who knows what there talking about | |||
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"Why does everyone jump on someone who has decided not to get this damn vaccine? For god sake. I am an avid chemistry student in my second year and have spent the last 12 months doing nothing but learning and researching. I will not be receiving this vaccine and neither will my already vulnerable family of whom 3 have already had covid and as some know, isn't bloody nice! Most people are willingly accepting a vaccine which has completely bypassed the human trials, oh hang on .. we are the human trials.There has not been anywhere near enough study on how or if the concoction within the MRNA vacine ( which is a completely brand new type vaccine btw, not old) could or will react with the vast amount of medication people take or if there could be any kind of adverse reactions in the future... these are just two basic question with no answers. Thimerosal (mercury, which is very nearly radioactive) is used as a preservative agent... why? with all of the synthetic preservatives there are nowadays? There is no studies to say this vaccine actually works. There are no studies considering whether there could be long term side effects and the vaccine companies themselves hold zero indemnity. Is that not scary? This should come down to each and every persons individual choice as to whether they want to try this vaccine. Pro choice not pro bullying people and shaming them for their choice to not take it. I understand people are scared and looking for a way out of this quickly whilst putting your trust into the government. Look at the track record of the government making the right choices whereby the health of it's citizens are put first. It's never happened and it hasn't just miraculously started now. " “..... There are no studies considering whether there could be long term side effects.....” —————————- The same could be said of all other vaccines. Nobody knows what all the long term side effects would be at the time of production . Fortunately the majority of vaccines have produced far more positive results than negative ones, so I fully support the roll out of this one. You also say :- “.... Look at the track record of the government making the right choices....” Then you’ll also have to question the track record of all the other governments around the world who are administering the same vaccine. The vaccine rollout is not an exclusive project by the British government. | |||
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" Wow. I couldn’t of put that better myself. Someone who knows what there talking about " To be fair maybe not, I think they did do trials on humans. | |||
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"I would say that the piling on, rightly or wrongly is down to it not simply being a personal decision in its effects, until everyone is safe, no one is safe. Mercury nearly radioactive? Nearly is not good enough, I have no idea of the science & why other preservatives are not used, perhaps to do with interactions with the current ingredients? I mean it is hardly practical to store at minus temperatures..but that’s what we got. Is mercury used in the ingredients ? " Quick Google. Pfizer vaccine doesn't contain thimerasol Can't tell for Oxford Notably, childhood vaccination in the US, at least, has been thimerasol free since 2001, and there's been no evidence to suggest that this has caused improvement in health | |||
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"Hooray for vaccination Not for me. Not putting that chemically induced shit in my body Oh I'd like to say a lot to this but you ain't worth the ban . Likewise mate I'm still fucked from covid" Feel better soon | |||
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"Hooray for vaccination Not for me. Not putting that chemically induced shit in my body So you'd rather have that covid shit in your body?" 99 per cent recovery rate majority of us won’t need hosp ... know loads that have had it Ranges from a cold to flu like symptoms ... too many brain washed into thinking we all going to die from it !!!!!! | |||
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"Hooray for vaccination Not for me. Not putting that chemically induced shit in my body So you'd rather have that covid shit in your body? 99 per cent recovery rate majority of us won’t need hosp ... know loads that have had it Ranges from a cold to flu like symptoms ... too many brain washed into thinking we all going to die from it !!!!!!" Nearly 100,000 so far. | |||
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"Hooray for vaccination Not for me. Not putting that chemically induced shit in my body So you'd rather have that covid shit in your body? 99 per cent recovery rate majority of us won’t need hosp ... know loads that have had it Ranges from a cold to flu like symptoms ... too many brain washed into thinking we all going to die from it !!!!!! Nearly 100,000 so far." Or over 100k depending on what you're looking at. | |||
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"Why does everyone jump on someone who has decided not to get this damn vaccine? For god sake. I am an avid chemistry student in my second year and have spent the last 12 months doing nothing but learning and researching. I will not be receiving this vaccine and neither will my already vulnerable family of whom 3 have already had covid and as some know, isn't bloody nice! Most people are willingly accepting a vaccine which has completely bypassed the human trials, oh hang on .. we are the human trials.There has not been anywhere near enough study on how or if the concoction within the MRNA vacine ( which is a completely brand new type vaccine btw, not old) could or will react with the vast amount of medication people take or if there could be any kind of adverse reactions in the future... these are just two basic question with no answers. Thimerosal (mercury, which is very nearly radioactive) is used as a preservative agent... why? with all of the synthetic preservatives there are nowadays? There is no studies to say this vaccine actually works. There are no studies considering whether there could be long term side effects and the vaccine companies themselves hold zero indemnity. Is that not scary? This should come down to each and every persons individual choice as to whether they want to try this vaccine. Pro choice not pro bullying people and shaming them for their choice to not take it. I understand people are scared and looking for a way out of this quickly whilst putting your trust into the government. Look at the track record of the government making the right choices whereby the health of it's citizens are put first. It's never happened and it hasn't just miraculously started now. " Because usually you can just have 1 view of it here, same here. I wont have the vaccine either. | |||
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"I would say that the piling on, rightly or wrongly is down to it not simply being a personal decision in its effects, until everyone is safe, no one is safe. Mercury nearly radioactive? Nearly is not good enough, I have no idea of the science & why other preservatives are not used, perhaps to do with interactions with the current ingredients? I mean it is hardly practical to store at minus temperatures..but that’s what we got. Is mercury used in the ingredients ? Quick Google. Pfizer vaccine doesn't contain thimerasol Can't tell for Oxford Notably, childhood vaccination in the US, at least, has been thimerasol free since 2001, and there's been no evidence to suggest that this has caused improvement in health" I didn’t think it was in the vaccine. Can’t say I’ve seen it officially listed anywhere . Only the occasional Facebook post. Is thimerasol still used in tattoo ink , contact lens , make up and eye drops ? | |||
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"Hooray for vaccination Not for me. Not putting that chemically induced shit in my body So you'd rather have that covid shit in your body? 99 per cent recovery rate majority of us won’t need hosp ... know loads that have had it Ranges from a cold to flu like symptoms ... too many brain washed into thinking we all going to die from it !!!!!! Nearly 100,000 so far." 100,000 die from or with possive test results how these numbers collated also what they are death rates are they compared too, 100,000 is misinformation with out context | |||
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"I would say that the piling on, rightly or wrongly is down to it not simply being a personal decision in its effects, until everyone is safe, no one is safe. Mercury nearly radioactive? Nearly is not good enough, I have no idea of the science & why other preservatives are not used, perhaps to do with interactions with the current ingredients? I mean it is hardly practical to store at minus temperatures..but that’s what we got. Is mercury used in the ingredients ? Quick Google. Pfizer vaccine doesn't contain thimerasol Can't tell for Oxford Notably, childhood vaccination in the US, at least, has been thimerasol free since 2001, and there's been no evidence to suggest that this has caused improvement in health I didn’t think it was in the vaccine. Can’t say I’ve seen it officially listed anywhere . Only the occasional Facebook post. Is thimerasol still used in tattoo ink , contact lens , make up and eye drops ? " I don't know. I do follow enough to know that it seems to have little or no effect in adverse effects after vaccines. It just seems like an anti vax boogie man to me *shrug* | |||
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"Hooray for vaccination Not for me. Not putting that chemically induced shit in my body So you'd rather have that covid shit in your body? 99 per cent recovery rate majority of us won’t need hosp ... know loads that have had it Ranges from a cold to flu like symptoms ... too many brain washed into thinking we all going to die from it !!!!!! Nearly 100,000 so far. 100,000 die from or with possive test results how these numbers collated also what they are death rates are they compared too, 100,000 is misinformation with out context " The ONS has plenty of information, as do any number of reputable academic research centres. | |||
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"Hooray for vaccination Not for me. Not putting that chemically induced shit in my body So you'd rather have that covid shit in your body? 99 per cent recovery rate majority of us won’t need hosp ... know loads that have had it Ranges from a cold to flu like symptoms ... too many brain washed into thinking we all going to die from it !!!!!! Nearly 100,000 so far. 100,000 die from or with possive test results how these numbers collated also what they are death rates are they compared too, 100,000 is misinformation with out context " Its exaggerated? | |||
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"Hooray for vaccination Not for me. Not putting that chemically induced shit in my body So you'd rather have that covid shit in your body? 99 per cent recovery rate majority of us won’t need hosp ... know loads that have had it Ranges from a cold to flu like symptoms ... too many brain washed into thinking we all going to die from it !!!!!!" The 99% recovery’s rate is only if everyone in England had had it . 3.5 million have tested positive and 90000 have died in the uk There’s 68 million people in the uk . So survival rate is 97.4% If 2.6 % of the population died that would make nearly 1.8 million dead if everyone caught it. | |||
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"Hooray for vaccination Not for me. Not putting that chemically induced shit in my body So you'd rather have that covid shit in your body? 99 per cent recovery rate majority of us won’t need hosp ... know loads that have had it Ranges from a cold to flu like symptoms ... too many brain washed into thinking we all going to die from it !!!!!! The 99% recovery’s rate is only if everyone in England had had it . 3.5 million have tested positive and 90000 have died in the uk There’s 68 million people in the uk . So survival rate is 97.4% If 2.6 % of the population died that would make nearly 1.8 million dead if everyone caught it. " Plus this argument ignores morbidity. | |||
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"Hooray for vaccination Not for me. Not putting that chemically induced shit in my body So you'd rather have that covid shit in your body? 99 per cent recovery rate majority of us won’t need hosp ... know loads that have had it Ranges from a cold to flu like symptoms ... too many brain washed into thinking we all going to die from it !!!!!!" “........ 99 per cent recovery rate majority of us.....” ———————— Not really. That’s the survival rate not recovery rate. Some people survive ( by not dying) but never make a full recovery. In the U.K. there are about 300,000 (7 million worldwide) who are suffering from long covid - they escaped death but did not recover fully. That’s why some countries report their numbers “recovered” as: N/A , as they don’t know how many people actually recovered fully even though they did not die. The Liberal Democrat MP for Oxford West and Abingdon recently proposed that frontline workers should have access to a compensation scheme if they are unable to return to work due to the debilitating effects of long covid. The vaccine doesn’t just prevent death, but also prevents you from serious disease which could potentially lead to long term health problems. | |||
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"We are confused here ,, does the vaccine stop you from getting and spreading the virus , can someone educate us please xx " It hopefully stops you getting a bad reaction to the virus. But you still get it as asymptomatic thus I believe you will still be able to pass it on. | |||
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"Why does everyone jump on someone who has decided not to get this damn vaccine? For god sake. I am an avid chemistry student in my second year and have spent the last 12 months doing nothing but learning and researching. I will not be receiving this vaccine and neither will my already vulnerable family of whom 3 have already had covid and as some know, isn't bloody nice! Most people are willingly accepting a vaccine which has completely bypassed the human trials, oh hang on .. we are the human trials.There has not been anywhere near enough study on how or if the concoction within the MRNA vacine ( which is a completely brand new type vaccine btw, not old) could or will react with the vast amount of medication people take or if there could be any kind of adverse reactions in the future... these are just two basic question with no answers. Thimerosal (mercury, which is very nearly radioactive) is used as a preservative agent... why? with all of the synthetic preservatives there are nowadays? There is no studies to say this vaccine actually works. There are no studies considering whether there could be long term side effects and the vaccine companies themselves hold zero indemnity. Is that not scary? This should come down to each and every persons individual choice as to whether they want to try this vaccine. Pro choice not pro bullying people and shaming them for their choice to not take it. I understand people are scared and looking for a way out of this quickly whilst putting your trust into the government. Look at the track record of the government making the right choices whereby the health of it's citizens are put first. It's never happened and it hasn't just miraculously started now. " TOTALLY AGREE Sick if how anyone who raises concerns about these vaccines is instantly vilified and labelled an anti-vaxxer (with all the whacko connotations that are associated with that). We all have an absolute and inarguable right to determine what we put into OUR bodies and it is not acceptable to use societal pressure to force people to behave in a way that aligns with your beliefs. What must happen is open and honest discussion in plain English to allow self determined informed decisions based on risk. I have been to many countries in Africa and was required to have vaccines (such as Yellow Fever). My personal risk assessment enabled me to know that the vaccine in question had potential side effects but had decades of research behind it. These don’t. Big Pharma has been given legal protection. UK gov are not following WHO or Pharma guidelines. We are right to challenge and ask questions about things we put in our bodies. Personally I am far more likely to have the Oxford AZ vaccine for two reasons (and not some jingoistic crap about “British”) 1. It is based on proven bio-tech 2. AZ are doing it at cost - not making any profit (which helps allay any concerns around ethics) Seriously, stop jumping on people with highly valid concerns. This is a swinger site after all - we are supposed to be a more inclusive and supportive group! | |||
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"Op - you smoke, I think that is *possibly* slightly worse than a vaccine? Just wondering how came to that conclusion considering the vaccine Only been about a few months and it the unknown " The vaccines produced in the West are fully 'understood', in that we know how they've been developed, what's in them and how they can help prevent any fantasised 5th eave, or whatever the apparent nonsense. For some of them, their technological/scientific developments have been underway for decades. Someone could review and learn from that or baselessly claim any unsubstantiated BS. In difficult times it's valuable to support each other and you'll notice many do this. The wiser use of effort, that or proliferating BS as some feebly try? | |||
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"Why does everyone jump on someone who has decided not to get this damn vaccine? For god sake. I am an avid chemistry student in my second year and have spent the last 12 months doing nothing but learning and researching. I will not be receiving this vaccine and neither will my already vulnerable family of whom 3 have already had covid and as some know, isn't bloody nice! Most people are willingly accepting a vaccine which has completely bypassed the human trials, oh hang on .. we are the human trials.There has not been anywhere near enough study on how or if the concoction within the MRNA vacine ( which is a completely brand new type vaccine btw, not old) could or will react with the vast amount of medication people take or if there could be any kind of adverse reactions in the future... these are just two basic question with no answers. Thimerosal (mercury, which is very nearly radioactive) is used as a preservative agent... why? with all of the synthetic preservatives there are nowadays? There is no studies to say this vaccine actually works. There are no studies considering whether there could be long term side effects and the vaccine companies themselves hold zero indemnity. Is that not scary? This should come down to each and every persons individual choice as to whether they want to try this vaccine. Pro choice not pro bullying people and shaming them for their choice to not take it. I understand people are scared and looking for a way out of this quickly whilst putting your trust into the government. Look at the track record of the government making the right choices whereby the health of it's citizens are put first. It's never happened and it hasn't just miraculously started now. TOTALLY AGREE Sick if how anyone who raises concerns about these vaccines is instantly vilified and labelled an anti-vaxxer (with all the whacko connotations that are associated with that). We all have an absolute and inarguable right to determine what we put into OUR bodies and it is not acceptable to use societal pressure to force people to behave in a way that aligns with your beliefs. What must happen is open and honest discussion in plain English to allow self determined informed decisions based on risk. I have been to many countries in Africa and was required to have vaccines (such as Yellow Fever). My personal risk assessment enabled me to know that the vaccine in question had potential side effects but had decades of research behind it. These don’t. Big Pharma has been given legal protection. UK gov are not following WHO or Pharma guidelines. We are right to challenge and ask questions about things we put in our bodies. Personally I am far more likely to have the Oxford AZ vaccine for two reasons (and not some jingoistic crap about “British”) 1. It is based on proven bio-tech 2. AZ are doing it at cost - not making any profit (which helps allay any concerns around ethics) Seriously, stop jumping on people with highly valid concerns. This is a swinger site after all - we are supposed to be a more inclusive and supportive group! " Did you honestly research the yellow fever vaccine before you had it ? As someone who has had it and traveled around the world also having various vaccines I have never once googled it or looked on Facebook for its history. I was made aware that it can make you seriously ill but I wanted the holiday so I had it . I’m guessing you were given the same advice about it being potentially dangerous but you still had it regardless. Everyone is entitled to their choice , I personally don’t care who has it and who doesn’t . But I know all my family and my close friends will all be having it as the pros definitely out weigh the negatives | |||
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"Why does everyone jump on someone who has decided not to get this damn vaccine? For god sake. I am an avid chemistry student in my second year and have spent the last 12 months doing nothing but learning and researching. I will not be receiving this vaccine and neither will my already vulnerable family of whom 3 have already had covid and as some know, isn't bloody nice! Most people are willingly accepting a vaccine which has completely bypassed the human trials, oh hang on .. we are the human trials.There has not been anywhere near enough study on how or if the concoction within the MRNA vacine ( which is a completely brand new type vaccine btw, not old) could or will react with the vast amount of medication people take or if there could be any kind of adverse reactions in the future... these are just two basic question with no answers. Thimerosal (mercury, which is very nearly radioactive) is used as a preservative agent... why? with all of the synthetic preservatives there are nowadays? There is no studies to say this vaccine actually works. There are no studies considering whether there could be long term side effects and the vaccine companies themselves hold zero indemnity. Is that not scary? This should come down to each and every persons individual choice as to whether they want to try this vaccine. Pro choice not pro bullying people and shaming them for their choice to not take it. I understand people are scared and looking for a way out of this quickly whilst putting your trust into the government. Look at the track record of the government making the right choices whereby the health of it's citizens are put first. It's never happened and it hasn't just miraculously started now. " Well said
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"notes on the conservation we were dancing to age of aquarius on switch let's dance last night i really like the second trainspotting film the vaccine is a necessity " You liked the second trainspotting?? I thought it was meh, cos I liked the first so much. | |||
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"Why does everyone jump on someone who has decided not to get this damn vaccine? For god sake. I am an avid chemistry student in my second year and have spent the last 12 months doing nothing but learning and researching. I will not be receiving this vaccine and neither will my already vulnerable family of whom 3 have already had covid and as some know, isn't bloody nice! Most people are willingly accepting a vaccine which has completely bypassed the human trials, oh hang on .. we are the human trials.There has not been anywhere near enough study on how or if the concoction within the MRNA vacine ( which is a completely brand new type vaccine btw, not old) could or will react with the vast amount of medication people take or if there could be any kind of adverse reactions in the future... these are just two basic question with no answers. Thimerosal (mercury, which is very nearly radioactive) is used as a preservative agent... why? with all of the synthetic preservatives there are nowadays? There is no studies to say this vaccine actually works. There are no studies considering whether there could be long term side effects and the vaccine companies themselves hold zero indemnity. Is that not scary? This should come down to each and every persons individual choice as to whether they want to try this vaccine. Pro choice not pro bullying people and shaming them for their choice to not take it. I understand people are scared and looking for a way out of this quickly whilst putting your trust into the government. Look at the track record of the government making the right choices whereby the health of it's citizens are put first. It's never happened and it hasn't just miraculously started now. TOTALLY AGREE Sick if how anyone who raises concerns about these vaccines is instantly vilified and labelled an anti-vaxxer (with all the whacko connotations that are associated with that). We all have an absolute and inarguable right to determine what we put into OUR bodies and it is not acceptable to use societal pressure to force people to behave in a way that aligns with your beliefs. What must happen is open and honest discussion in plain English to allow self determined informed decisions based on risk. I have been to many countries in Africa and was required to have vaccines (such as Yellow Fever). My personal risk assessment enabled me to know that the vaccine in question had potential side effects but had decades of research behind it. These don’t. Big Pharma has been given legal protection. UK gov are not following WHO or Pharma guidelines. We are right to challenge and ask questions about things we put in our bodies. Personally I am far more likely to have the Oxford AZ vaccine for two reasons (and not some jingoistic crap about “British”) 1. It is based on proven bio-tech 2. AZ are doing it at cost - not making any profit (which helps allay any concerns around ethics) Seriously, stop jumping on people with highly valid concerns. This is a swinger site after all - we are supposed to be a more inclusive and supportive group! Did you honestly research the yellow fever vaccine before you had it ? As someone who has had it and traveled around the world also having various vaccines I have never once googled it or looked on Facebook for its history. I was made aware that it can make you seriously ill but I wanted the holiday so I had it . I’m guessing you were given the same advice about it being potentially dangerous but you still had it regardless. Everyone is entitled to their choice , I personally don’t care who has it and who doesn’t . But I know all my family and my close friends will all be having it as the pros definitely out weigh the negatives " Did I research. Yes and properly. The key word is choice. We all take mini/internal risk assessments every day of our life (eg. crossing the road). To do that we way up benefits vs issues. | |||
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"...societal pressure only because it is affecting all of society if you don’t. If it was simply the individual I would have no problem with those who chose not to, but it isn’t just them it’s their family & friends & anyone they come into contact with. To preserve the freedom of choosing not to vaccinate is to remove the freedoms of living a more inclusive life because restrictions will remain for longer in all probability." Except that isn’t actually the case. 1. The vaccines significantly reduce the recipients likelihood of developing a serious illness. 2. They do not stop you contracting it. 3. There is no evidence it stops you transmitting it. Therefore if people who are most at risk/vulnerable have the vaccine(s) and, as is apparent on here or any social media, a large proportion of the rest also choose to have it, then those choosing not to or at least delaying, will not be putting the vulnerable at risk. The one counter argument to that is of course ICU capacity but again as per above the volume/demand would reduce anyway. | |||
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"Op - you smoke, I think that is *possibly* slightly worse than a vaccine? Just wondering how came to that conclusion considering the vaccine Only been about a few months and it the unknown Yes, the long term effects of the vaccine may not be known for some time but we are all well aware of the effects of smoking so we can be confident in saying those chemicals are definitely harmful. I’d opt for the potentially life saving vaccine over the potentially life threatening cigarette anyday. Lou x " Not so long ago, cigarettes were promoted for their health benefits. Sometimes it takes a while for a correct assessment to be made of many things. I've had friends who passed away due to the over indulgence of alcohol......that lesson has yet to be learned judging by the amount on sale in supermarkets! | |||
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"...societal pressure only because it is affecting all of society if you don’t. If it was simply the individual I would have no problem with those who chose not to, but it isn’t just them it’s their family & friends & anyone they come into contact with. To preserve the freedom of choosing not to vaccinate is to remove the freedoms of living a more inclusive life because restrictions will remain for longer in all probability." I disagree, Unless he is a parent and choses for them not to have a vaccination, then everyone else you mentioned are free to get the vaccination and protect themselves. So ultimately once the vaccination program comes to an end, then only him and his fellow non vaccinated people are susceptible to falling ill to it. Until everyone around him who want a vaccine are protected then yes he puts them at a slightly higher risk, after they are vaccinated he is the one at greater risk, because everyone around him can be asymptomatic carries. On weighing it up, I'll probably have the vaccination when it's offered, that's not to say there are no risks to it and it's safe, nothing is 100% safe, if it's substantially safer than covid though then it's going to be deemed successful. If the vaccine killed 1 in a million, it's still far better odds than covid. | |||
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"Why does everyone jump on someone who has decided not to get this damn vaccine? For god sake. I am an avid chemistry student in my second year and have spent the last 12 months doing nothing but learning and researching. I will not be receiving this vaccine and neither will my already vulnerable family of whom 3 have already had covid and as some know, isn't bloody nice! Most people are willingly accepting a vaccine which has completely bypassed the human trials, oh hang on .. we are the human trials.There has not been anywhere near enough study on how or if the concoction within the MRNA vacine ( which is a completely brand new type vaccine btw, not old) could or will react with the vast amount of medication people take or if there could be any kind of adverse reactions in the future... these are just two basic question with no answers. Thimerosal (mercury, which is very nearly radioactive) is used as a preservative agent... why? with all of the synthetic preservatives there are nowadays? There is no studies to say this vaccine actually works. There are no studies considering whether there could be long term side effects and the vaccine companies themselves hold zero indemnity. Is that not scary? This should come down to each and every persons individual choice as to whether they want to try this vaccine. Pro choice not pro bullying people and shaming them for their choice to not take it. I understand people are scared and looking for a way out of this quickly whilst putting your trust into the government. Look at the track record of the government making the right choices whereby the health of it's citizens are put first. It's never happened and it hasn't just miraculously started now. " I agree its down to an individual's choice as to whether they have the vaccine (it will be interesting to see the % of over 80s that have chosen to take it once that phase of the vaccination programme has been completed. Its good that you have done some research but just a couple of points. Thimerosal is actually ethyl mercury (and not methyl mercury, which is toxic) and is easily expelled by the body (ie in body waste). What do you mean by mercury is very nearly radioactive? The mercury used in the vaccines will be a stable isotope and hence no way near being radioactive. | |||
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"...societal pressure only because it is affecting all of society if you don’t. If it was simply the individual I would have no problem with those who chose not to, but it isn’t just them it’s their family & friends & anyone they come into contact with. To preserve the freedom of choosing not to vaccinate is to remove the freedoms of living a more inclusive life because restrictions will remain for longer in all probability. Except that isn’t actually the case. 1. The vaccines significantly reduce the recipients likelihood of developing a serious illness. 2. They do not stop you contracting it. 3. There is no evidence it stops you transmitting it. Therefore if people who are most at risk/vulnerable have the vaccine(s) and, as is apparent on here or any social media, a large proportion of the rest also choose to have it, then those choosing not to or at least delaying, will not be putting the vulnerable at risk. The one counter argument to that is of course ICU capacity but again as per above the volume/demand would reduce anyway." Apologies indeed once again I failed to mention the vaccine not being a cure but a surpressor really, I did not mean to suggest everyone not vaccinated is killing those that don’t, but it could happen...but the surpression is what will drive a relaxing of sanctions...which is where your ICU point comes to bear. | |||
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"I think any sensible discussion must also factor in that it is not binary. It isn’t “Live” vs “Die” it is also “Get very ill and have long term health issues”. If statistically there is a higher risk of “Get ill etc” from Covid versus the chance of side effects from a vaccine then that too becomes persuasive. Basically it comes down to a risk assessment and weighing up pros vs cons vs probability. But personal informed choice is paramount." "...I think any sensible discussion must also factor in that it is not binary. It isn’t “Live” vs “Die” it is also Get very ill and have long term health issues..." ----------------------------- That's a good point, it's not just a 'live or die'; its also about the potential long term health effects you have to face if you don't die. I covered that in one if my posts above. You also make good points about risk assessment and informed choice. | |||
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