FabSwingers.com forum: Why officers not at front of covid vaccine queue.

By *hagTonight OP Man
over a year ago

From the land of haribos.

I agree with him and I wonder the same too, the met police commissioner is 'baffled' of why officers not at front of covid vaccine queue, what reason do you think of why it is that?

https://www.lbc.co.uk/radio/presenters/nick-ferrari/met-police-commissioner-baffled-officers-not-at-front-of-covid-vaccine/?

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"I agree with him and I wonder the same too, the met police commissioner is 'baffled' of why officers not at front of covid vaccine queue, what reason do you think of why it is that?

https://www.lbc.co.uk/radio/presenters/nick-ferrari/met-police-commissioner-baffled-officers-not-at-front-of-covid-vaccine/?"

Because nurses and care workers are more vulnerable?

As are old and high risk groups?

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By *ust some cock suckerMan
over a year ago

Preston

Because if everyone who thought they should be at the front of the queue was at the front of the queue there wouldn't be a queue, there would just be a mass brawl of people fighting.

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By *hagTonight OP Man
over a year ago

From the land of haribos.

"I agree with him and I wonder the same too, the met police commissioner is 'baffled' of why officers not at front of covid vaccine queue, what reason do you think of why it is that?

https://www.lbc.co.uk/radio/presenters/nick-ferrari/met-police-commissioner-baffled-officers-not-at-front-of-covid-vaccine/?

Because nurses and care workers are more vulnerable?

As are old and high risk groups?"
Yes they are and the police is at the front line too, but maibe not in the same way as the nurses are that.

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"Because if everyone who thought they should be at the front of the queue was at the front of the queue there wouldn't be a queue, there would just be a mass brawl of people fighting. "

You would think the head of police knew that?

I'd say dealing with patients with covid day after day,would have you at the top.

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

We still have about half the people in care homes not vaccinated, so there's a good pointer for the guy. His staff are vulnerable, as are other key workers but most of us wouldn't put them above care home residents, carers, health staff and over 70s etc

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By *lackCherry...Woman
over a year ago

North East

Im surprised they arent immediately after frontline health and social care

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"Im surprised they arent immediately after frontline health and social care "

Because once we vaccinate the most at risk and elderly it massively decreases the burden on the NHS.

I think the list they have done is spot on tbf.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The problem is so many different occupations and professions have valid reasons as to why they think they should be top of the queue.

They can't all be top of the queue and the priority has to be those that are most likely to get sick and therefore need hospital treatment.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"We still have about half the people in care homes not vaccinated, so there's a good pointer for the guy. His staff are vulnerable, as are other key workers but most of us wouldn't put them above care home residents, carers, health staff and over 70s etc"

Is it half of people in care homes? I've just seen a report on the news saying 75% of care home residents have received the vaccine.

We are unlikely to reach 100% because some will refuse and others can't have it for clinical reasons.

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By *amissCouple
over a year ago

chelmsford

"Im surprised they arent immediately after frontline health and social care

Because once we vaccinate the most at risk and elderly it massively decreases the burden on the NHS.

I think the list they have done is spot on tbf."

I do too

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By *amissCouple
over a year ago

chelmsford

I can't remember the last time I saw a police officer, where I live

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Im surprised they arent immediately after frontline health and social care

Because once we vaccinate the most at risk and elderly it massively decreases the burden on the NHS.

I think the list they have done is spot on tbf.

I do too

The 1st phase which is the list we currently have for the most vulnerable I think is spot on.

The 2nd phase which is the less vulnerable under fifties as yet the list of priority hasn't been published .

It is expected and has been strongly suggested that occupation will be a huge factor.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I can't remember the last time I saw a police officer, where I live

I see one almost daily but then he lives opposite.

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By *amissCouple
over a year ago

chelmsford

"Im surprised they arent immediately after frontline health and social care

Because once we vaccinate the most at risk and elderly it massively decreases the burden on the NHS.

I think the list they have done is spot on tbf.

I do too

The 1st phase which is the list we currently have for the most vulnerable I think is spot on.

The 2nd phase which is the less vulnerable under fifties as yet the list of priority hasn't been published .

It is expected and has been strongly suggested that occupation will be a huge factor. "

And that would make sense

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By *amissCouple
over a year ago

chelmsford

"I can't remember the last time I saw a police officer, where I live

I see one almost daily but then he lives opposite.

Haha

that's handy, Lorna!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Possibly its cos they are trying to keep the general public from breaking lockdown rules. A small minority dont seem to want to stick to the rules ie by having house parties or illegal drives with their mates to mcdonalds

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I agree with him and I wonder the same too, the met police commissioner is 'baffled' of why officers not at front of covid vaccine queue, what reason do you think of why it is that?

https://www.lbc.co.uk/radio/presenters/nick-ferrari/met-police-commissioner-baffled-officers-not-at-front-of-covid-vaccine/?

Because nurses and care workers are more vulnerable?

As are old and high risk groups?"

Spot on.

How anyone can think a police officer is a higher risk to themselves or others than an over 70 or Care / NHS worker is beyond me.

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By *wisted999Man
over a year ago

North Bucks

I see a change in policy looming. (Like we have not had many before.

The Vaccines minister is considering moving up those who are exposed to the public such as teachers, supermarket workers and police.

Find out next week I reckon.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I see a change in policy looming. (Like we have not had many before.

The Vaccines minister is considering moving up those who are exposed to the public such as teachers, supermarket workers and police.

Find out next week I reckon.

I saw that but the wording made me think that this in the next phase.

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By *incskittenWoman
over a year ago

Nottingham

I disagree shag.

We need the care givers above everyone to receive the jab.

Without the nhs to look after us if we get sick we are screwed.

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By *wisted999Man
over a year ago

North Bucks

"I see a change in policy looming. (Like we have not had many before.

The Vaccines minister is considering moving up those who are exposed to the public such as teachers, supermarket workers and police.

Find out next week I reckon.

I saw that but the wording made me think that this in the next phase.

I see them moving up priority. However be a nightmare to manage as I suppose you would need proof of employment.

However the Police have the capacity to deliver a flu jab in house so a Covid vaccination wouldn’t be too much of an ask. Especially the Oxford jab.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I see a change in policy looming. (Like we have not had many before.

The Vaccines minister is considering moving up those who are exposed to the public such as teachers, supermarket workers and police.

Find out next week I reckon.

I saw that but the wording made me think that this in the next phase.

I see them moving up priority. However be a nightmare to manage as I suppose you would need proof of employment.

However the Police have the capacity to deliver a flu jab in house so a Covid vaccination wouldn’t be too much of an ask. Especially the Oxford jab. "

The problem is who do you bump down the list to put them up?

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By *wisted999Man
over a year ago

North Bucks

"I see a change in policy looming. (Like we have not had many before.

The Vaccines minister is considering moving up those who are exposed to the public such as teachers, supermarket workers and police.

Find out next week I reckon.

I saw that but the wording made me think that this in the next phase.

I see them moving up priority. However be a nightmare to manage as I suppose you would need proof of employment.

However the Police have the capacity to deliver a flu jab in house so a Covid vaccination wouldn’t be too much of an ask. Especially the Oxford jab.

The problem is who do you bump down the list to put them up?

Who knows be interesting to see in the next week or so if they make a decision.

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"I see a change in policy looming. (Like we have not had many before.

The Vaccines minister is considering moving up those who are exposed to the public such as teachers, supermarket workers and police.

Find out next week I reckon.

I saw that but the wording made me think that this in the next phase.

I see them moving up priority. However be a nightmare to manage as I suppose you would need proof of employment.

However the Police have the capacity to deliver a flu jab in house so a Covid vaccination wouldn’t be too much of an ask. Especially the Oxford jab. "

I doubt the police have the resources to do that.

The old and vulnerable is the big one.. get that done and its becomes more manageable.

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By *wisted999Man
over a year ago

North Bucks

"I see a change in policy looming. (Like we have not had many before.

The Vaccines minister is considering moving up those who are exposed to the public such as teachers, supermarket workers and police.

Find out next week I reckon.

I saw that but the wording made me think that this in the next phase.

I see them moving up priority. However be a nightmare to manage as I suppose you would need proof of employment.

However the Police have the capacity to deliver a flu jab in house so a Covid vaccination wouldn’t be too much of an ask. Especially the Oxford jab.

I doubt the police have the resources to do that.

The old and vulnerable is the big one.. get that done and its becomes more manageable. "

Watch this space.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I don’t think we should be and higher than we are in the queues one honest. Arguments about how we may bring the virus into other’s homes may have merit, however I’d rather everyone have it and get the country back on its feet, and if that means cops are lower down the queue then so be it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I see a change in policy looming. (Like we have not had many before.

The Vaccines minister is considering moving up those who are exposed to the public such as teachers, supermarket workers and police.

Find out next week I reckon.

I saw that but the wording made me think that this in the next phase.

I see them moving up priority. However be a nightmare to manage as I suppose you would need proof of employment.

However the Police have the capacity to deliver a flu jab in house so a Covid vaccination wouldn’t be too much of an ask. Especially the Oxford jab.

The problem is who do you bump down the list to put them up?

Who knows be interesting to see in the next week or so if they make a decision. "

I could be wrong but I am almost Certain that was in relation to the 2nd phase.

My understanding is the priority list for the 1st phase is unlikely to change. Because if you put police officers up there then the teachers will also expect to be up there, So will supermarket workers, So will postal workers and delivery drivers so you have to draw the line somewhere to protect the most valuable.

Protecting and vaccinating those that are currently on the priority list will have knock on effects and benefits for the whole population.

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By *pursChick aka ShortieWoman
over a year ago

On a mooch

If most people are staying at home, then the police’s contact with others outside their work bubble should be minimal, so no at present they shouldn’t be bumped up the list ahead of the current priority listings of 65+, clinical vulnerable or health workers.

I would however slot them, along with teachers, supermarket staff and other key workers who have no choice but to come in daily contact with other individuals to carry out their role to keep the country moving, before anyone 65 and under

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By *wisted999Man
over a year ago

North Bucks

"If most people are staying at home, then the police’s contact with others outside their work bubble should be minimal, so no at present they shouldn’t be bumped up the list ahead of the current priority listings of 65+, clinical vulnerable or health workers.

That sounds logical. Would be an unpopular choice to jump a lot of the vulnerable.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I agree with him and I wonder the same too, the met police commissioner is 'baffled' of why officers not at front of covid vaccine queue, what reason do you think of why it is that?

https://www.lbc.co.uk/radio/presenters/nick-ferrari/met-police-commissioner-baffled-officers-not-at-front-of-covid-vaccine/?"

I agree, they should be getting the jab with the NHS.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

But anybody over 50 is on the priority list.

To be honest the rate we are going with the vaccine we will have the 1st phase completed by the end of May.

So would actually only bump these people up by about 3/4 weeks because the under 65 but over 50 are the last 3 priority groups.

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By *pursChick aka ShortieWoman
over a year ago

On a mooch

But anybody over 50 is on the priority list.

To be honest the rate we are going with the vaccine we will have the 1st phase completed by the end of May.

So would actually only bump these people up by about 3/4 weeks because the under 65 but over 50 are the last 3 priority groups."

I know they are, but personally I don’t see 50-65 as a priority against those that have to go out and face others day in, day out because we ask them to

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

But anybody over 50 is on the priority list.

To be honest the rate we are going with the vaccine we will have the 1st phase completed by the end of May.

So would actually only bump these people up by about 3/4 weeks because the under 65 but over 50 are the last 3 priority groups.

I know they are, but personally I don’t see 50-65 as a priority against those that have to go out and face others day in, day out because we ask them to "

I agree the risk of people that have to go out and be face to face with people day are at higher risk catching covid. However clinically the risk of people over 50 of getting seriously sick with covid is also higher.

Catching covid Isn't necessarily an issue, it's getting seriously sick with covid or the risk of passing it on to someone that could get seriously sick.

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By *pursChick aka ShortieWoman
over a year ago

On a mooch

But anybody over 50 is on the priority list.

To be honest the rate we are going with the vaccine we will have the 1st phase completed by the end of May.

So would actually only bump these people up by about 3/4 weeks because the under 65 but over 50 are the last 3 priority groups.

I know they are, but personally I don’t see 50-65 as a priority against those that have to go out and face others day in, day out because we ask them to "

I’d add to this, as a 50 year old and currently out of work according to the calculator :-

Given a vaccination rate of 2,000,000 a week and an uptake of 70.6%, you should expect to receive your first dose of vaccine between 27/04/2021 and 12/05/2021.

You should then get your second dose by between 20/07/2021 and 04/08/2021.

I don’t see why I should be fully vaccinated come end of august before other younger individuals that need to face the public day in, day out and therefore taking a bigger risk to supply me with food, electricity, schooling for my lad, postmen and the list goes on, they need it more than me, as even if I was working it would likely be from home.

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By *ucka39Man
over a year ago

Newcastle

If police departments are following the rules less chance of spreading the virus it's about time the NHS trust was put first at this difficult time so it's not placing a burden on them and the vaccines and be given to the vulnerable and those who care for them this is frontline work which police are unable to participate in and are aware how to follow rules to protect themselves I'm sure

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"If police departments are following the rules less chance of spreading the virus it's about time the NHS trust was put first at this difficult time so it's not placing a burden on them and the vaccines and be given to the vulnerable and those who care for them this is frontline work which police are unable to participate in and are aware how to follow rules to protect themselves I'm sure "

Just point out you can follow all the rules and still catch Covid-19.

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By *wisted999Man
over a year ago

North Bucks

It’s probably not the Police following the rules that prompted the concern more the ones they deal with and have no choice of being in close proximity.

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By *ocbigMan
over a year ago

Birmingham

"I see a change in policy looming. (Like we have not had many before.

The Vaccines minister is considering moving up those who are exposed to the public such as teachers, supermarket workers and police.

Find out next week I reckon.

I saw that but the wording made me think that this in the next phase.

I see them moving up priority. However be a nightmare to manage as I suppose you would need proof of employment.

However the Police have the capacity to deliver a flu jab in house so a Covid vaccination wouldn’t be too much of an ask. Especially the Oxford jab.

The problem is who do you bump down the list to put them up?

Who knows be interesting to see in the next week or so if they make a decision. "

See what Nicola Sturgeon decides

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By *akjourneyMan
over a year ago

Weston

I think all operational officers should have it.

The current impact on available resources with self isolating or shielding is massive.

Then again we keep hearing there are x number more officers, where from ??

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By *achel SmythTV/TS
over a year ago

Farnborough

I consider the announced priority list is spot on, based upon risk of dying.

If we are going to become parochial about occupations being on the list, in terms of relative risk, then yes suggest the police should be in the mix ... but that those working in retail are at quite possibly higher risk... in contact with significantly more people, in an indoor confined environment???

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By *ucka39Man
over a year ago

Newcastle

Just point out you can follow all the rules and still catch Covid-19.

I would doubt that very much because it comes from cross contamination so if a person avoids and acts carefully won't be infected or at risk bit like the common cold you are advised to stay home so it's not able to be past on it becomes contained and controlled

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Refuse Collectors,Sanitation Workers to the front for Covid-19 vacinations

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By *oncupiscence73Woman
over a year ago

South

"Im surprised they arent immediately after frontline health and social care

Because once we vaccinate the most at risk and elderly it massively decreases the burden on the NHS.

I think the list they have done is spot on tbf.

I do too

The 1st phase which is the list we currently have for the most vulnerable I think is spot on.

The 2nd phase which is the less vulnerable under fifties as yet the list of priority hasn't been published .

It is expected and has been strongly suggested that occupation will be a huge factor. "

This it’s not about whether you are at risk in your profession it’s about whether you pose a risk to the vulnerable hence nurses and carers are dealing with people far more likely to get very ill. I doubt a copper arresting a teenager is that much at risk of giving them covid and them dying.

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By *oncupiscence73Woman
over a year ago

South

"Refuse Collectors,Sanitation Workers to the front for Covid-19 vacinations"

Why? They only see each other can’t get covid from black bags ...

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By *oncupiscence73Woman
over a year ago

South

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By *oncupiscence73Woman
over a year ago

South

"I consider the announced priority list is spot on, based upon risk of dying.

R xx"

I’d personally agree that the list is spot on for the top 9 groups but when they release the second phase I hope teachers are pretty damn close to the top spending 6 hours a day up close and personal with up to 300 kids - the length of time spent with an individual is the key. I doubt many retail workers spend 15 mins or more within 2m of the same customer which is the current guidelines for ‘close contact’

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Im surprised they arent immediately after frontline health and social care

Because once we vaccinate the most at risk and elderly it massively decreases the burden on the NHS.

I think the list they have done is spot on tbf.

I do too

The 1st phase which is the list we currently have for the most vulnerable I think is spot on.

The 2nd phase which is the less vulnerable under fifties as yet the list of priority hasn't been published .

It is expected and has been strongly suggested that occupation will be a huge factor.

No it isn't because we don't know yet whether having the vaccine limits spread.

So Unless you protect The groups that are likely to get ill vaccinating less clinically vulnerable people is pointless.

The reason why healthcare staff A being vaccinated is so they are less likely to get sick and therefore be able to care for those people who need it.

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By *oncupiscence73Woman
over a year ago

South

"Im surprised they arent immediately after frontline health and social care

Because once we vaccinate the most at risk and elderly it massively decreases the burden on the NHS.

I think the list they have done is spot on tbf.

I do too

The 1st phase which is the list we currently have for the most vulnerable I think is spot on.

The 2nd phase which is the less vulnerable under fifties as yet the list of priority hasn't been published .

It is expected and has been strongly suggested that occupation will be a huge factor.

No it isn't because we don't know yet whether having the vaccine limits spread.

So Unless you protect The groups that are likely to get ill vaccinating less clinically vulnerable people is pointless.

The reason why healthcare staff A being vaccinated is so they are less likely to get sick and therefore be able to care for those people who need it. "

Yes exactly what I said protecting the vulnerable people

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By *andsCouple
over a year ago

south birmingham

"I agree with him and I wonder the same too, the met police commissioner is 'baffled' of why officers not at front of covid vaccine queue, what reason do you think of why it is that?

https://www.lbc.co.uk/radio/presenters/nick-ferrari/met-police-commissioner-baffled-officers-not-at-front-of-covid-vaccine/?"

maybe they know its just the kung flu, dont want them poisened...

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By *extasy19Couple
over a year ago

Northampton

According to Full Fact, only one police officer has died of covid. This shouldn't be a surprise as the vast majority should be under 50 and in good physical health.

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By *hagTonight OP Man
over a year ago

From the land of haribos.

"Im surprised they arent immediately after frontline health and social care "
Yes and I also wondered why not

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By *limmatureguyMan
over a year ago

Tonbridge

When you examine the death rate for a cohort such as the police it becomes apparent how harmless the disease is for the majority of even moderately healthy people.

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By *ust RachelTV/TS
over a year ago

Horsham

Considering the police have been asked to drive ambulances, they could be in the thick of things.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"When you examine the death rate for a cohort such as the police it becomes apparent how harmless the disease is for the majority of even moderately healthy people."

Deadly and harmless are not the same thing.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"When you examine the death rate for a cohort such as the police it becomes apparent how harmless the disease is for the majority of even moderately healthy people.

Deadly and harmless are not the same thing."

They're a good indicator.

Current priorities, based soley on clinical risk, is the correct way to go.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"When you examine the death rate for a cohort such as the police it becomes apparent how harmless the disease is for the majority of even moderately healthy people.

Deadly and harmless are not the same thing.

They're a good indicator.

Current priorities, based soley on clinical risk, is the correct way to go."

Oh I agree.

I just think that it is often a misconception that just because somebody hasn't died from covid then it is harmless.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"When you examine the death rate for a cohort such as the police it becomes apparent how harmless the disease is for the majority of even moderately healthy people.

Deadly and harmless are not the same thing.

They're a good indicator.

Current priorities, based soley on clinical risk, is the correct way to go.

Oh I agree.

I just think that it is often a misconception that just because somebody hasn't died from covid then it is harmless."

The same as the misconception that they dont have fathers that they can pass it on to

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"When you examine the death rate for a cohort such as the police it becomes apparent how harmless the disease is for the majority of even moderately healthy people."

You realise they can pass it onto vulnerable people.?

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By *edbath 5Man
over a year ago

london

Probably 20/30 million people in the country think they should be in front of the queue. Almost impossible task for the government.

Don’t forget what Patrick Valence said. Once 50% of the nation have the jab. We have won. That’s all we should be looking bow after the first 9 groups.

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By *bi_AstrayTV/TS
over a year ago

Plymouth

There are lots of people who have had to work all the way through this pandemic. All classed as essential and nearly all coming into direct contact with other people increasing their personal risk of contracting the virus. From shop workers and the whole food chain to essential services like water electric and gas. Everyone can't be at the front of the queue. Why should they be? Shop workers getting spat at and abused by the same people the police are sometimes arresting...

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By *bi_AstrayTV/TS
over a year ago

Plymouth

"When you examine the death rate for a cohort such as the police it becomes apparent how harmless the disease is for the majority of even moderately healthy people.

You realise they can pass it onto vulnerable people.?"

Having the vaccine hasn't been proven to stop them carrying and transmitting the virus either. They could still be a risk to those they come into contact with.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Probably 20/30 million people in the country think they should be in front of the queue. Almost impossible task for the government.

Don’t forget what Patrick Valence said. Once 50% of the nation have the jab. We have won. That’s all we should be looking bow after the first 9 groups. "

I agree and the first 9 groups is more than half the adult population.

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By *allySlinkyWoman
over a year ago

Leeds

Don’t forget what Patrick Valence said. Once 50% of the nation have the jab. We have won. "

Does that mean when 50% have had both jabs ?

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By *aralewisCouple
over a year ago

South Yorkshire

My Opinion The government don’t really care about care workers nurses doctors and anybody else in front line services

I’ve always found it strange that front line staff never got tested regular because on an average day they mixed with thou_ands of people and if was infected would spread the virus

Now their more exposed to it they should be first

This government is failing their key workers because if they go ill who going to stand in for them

If more newspapers and tv and radio made more noise the government would then change and make them priority

They quick to show how many died when to scare you but not willing to save them now they got the chance

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By *ensual massagerMan
over a year ago

Bolton

"Refuse Collectors,Sanitation Workers to the front for Covid-19 vacinations

Why? They only see each other can’t get covid from black bags ... "

Are you sure about that? It has been proved that the virus can exist for a period of time on various types of surfaces.

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By *ensual massagerMan
over a year ago

Bolton

Well now the vaccine is available it definitely looks like a me, me, me attitude of some groups.

The Government (agree or disagree) are following the science for the groups.

I certainly think the first 9 are spot on.

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By *allySlinkyWoman
over a year ago

Leeds

The Government (agree or disagree) are following the science for the groups.

Are they following the science for the gap between the two doses ?

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By *wisted999Man
over a year ago

North Bucks

Home Sec confirmed. Work is under way to move Teachers and Police up the queue.

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By *allySlinkyWoman
over a year ago

Leeds

"Home Sec confirmed. Work is under way to move Teachers and Police up the queue. "

"A decision is expected mid February" (Sky News)

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Don’t forget what Patrick Valence said. Once 50% of the nation have the jab. We have won.

Does that mean when 50% have had both jabs ?"

That hasn't been made clear.

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By *wisted999Man
over a year ago

North Bucks

"Home Sec confirmed. Work is under way to move Teachers and Police up the queue.

"A decision is expected mid February" (Sky News)"

The proposal "isn't something we are just thinking about, there is a lot of work taking place in government right now", she said.

She added if the Joint Committee on Vaccination and Immunisation say it is a possibility, then the government will "absolutely work to make that happen".

Bit ambiguous when you look at it all.

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By *ohnny2006Man
over a year ago

worcester

"I agree with him and I wonder the same too, the met police commissioner is 'baffled' of why officers not at front of covid vaccine queue, what reason do you think of why it is that?

https://www.lbc.co.uk/radio/presenters/nick-ferrari/met-police-commissioner-baffled-officers-not-at-front-of-covid-vaccine/?"

Because it normally takes ten years to make such a vaccine and the risk to the health of the Police could create a national emergency.

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By *ealthy_and_HungMan
over a year ago

Princes Risborough, Luasanne, Alderney

does anyone have any data on any increased incidence of covid amongst the ranks of the police as compared to say nhs frontline staff, paramedics, octogenarians etc.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Home Sec confirmed. Work is under way to move Teachers and Police up the queue. "

Im still not quite sure what that means but like i said yesterday I just worry about who's gonna get bumped down the list.

I do understand these groups want to be higher up but the groups that are going to have to go the list have been They are vulnerable to the virus which is why they are in a priority group and then suddenly there gonna be told yes you are a priority but we going to make you wait-a-bit longer.

It's a really different situation.

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By *allySlinkyWoman
over a year ago

Leeds

At the start of the pandemic there was a high rate of infection for London Transport staff.

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By *allySlinkyWoman
over a year ago

Leeds

It's a really different situation. "

There are lots of 80+ and 90+ who have already been told they have to wait 9 weeks longer for their second dose than they expected.

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over a year ago

Bear in mind the average PPE that front line officers get to wear are masks and gloves, both of which the primary function is to protect others.

And have you tried to restrain somebody and remain socially distanced ? Or to administer urgent first aid at the scene of a traffic accident whilst waiting for an ambulance/paramedic ?

Yes in a lot of respects police officers can, and do, adhere to the rules. But there are circumstances where they can’t maintain social distancing, much the same as frontline nhs staff can’t. I agree they should not be higher than the extremely vulnerable, but perhaps alongside nhs workers/paramedics etc.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The Met police commissioner is a woman and yes, She would like her officers to be on the list for the vaccine.

They have to go out and face the public every day to protect us. We may be in lockdown but crime is still happening, people still need their help. They can't always socially distance from the public or eachother. They have to share cars, vans etc They can't make an arrest from two meters away. Should they be a priority, yes, they should. Should they be above our NHS staff, no and they aren't asking to be but they have families and people they need to protect too but they still have a job to do that puts them at risk.

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By *pursChick aka ShortieWoman
over a year ago

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[Removed by poster at 20/01/21 12:24:52]

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"[Removed by poster at 20/01/21 12:24:52]"

I was just about to say I agree and that's my understanding.

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By *pursChick aka ShortieWoman
over a year ago

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"Home Sec confirmed. Work is under way to move Teachers and Police up the queue.

"A decision is expected mid February" (Sky News)

The proposal "isn't something we are just thinking about, there is a lot of work taking place in government right now", she said.

She added if the Joint Committee on Vaccination and Immunisation say it is a possibility, then the government will "absolutely work to make that happen".

Bit ambiguous when you look at it all.

It is part of working out how to do phase two of the programme, the priority at the moment is the top 4 categories (70+, front line health workers, care staff and extremely vulnerable individuals).

After that is phase two 50+, this is where I expect them to be slotted in and actually go in as group 5 before or with the 65+

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By *pursChick aka ShortieWoman
over a year ago

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"[Removed by poster at 20/01/21 12:24:52]

I was just about to say I agree and that's my understanding.

I amended it as didn’t make sense

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over a year ago

"Home Sec confirmed. Work is under way to move Teachers and Police up the queue.

"A decision is expected mid February" (Sky News)

The proposal "isn't something we are just thinking about, there is a lot of work taking place in government right now", she said.

She added if the Joint Committee on Vaccination and Immunisation say it is a possibility, then the government will "absolutely work to make that happen".

Bit ambiguous when you look at it all.

It is part of working out how to do phase two of the programme, the priority at the moment is the top 4 categories (70+, front line health workers, care staff and extremely vulnerable individuals).

After that is phase two 50+, this is where I expect them to be slotted in and actually go in as group 5 before or with the 65+ "

Sorry no phase one is everyone over 50 and high risk,phase 2 is those under 50.

That is his hat that is how it is worded on the government website.

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over a year ago

"Home Sec confirmed. Work is under way to move Teachers and Police up the queue.

"A decision is expected mid February" (Sky News)

The proposal "isn't something we are just thinking about, there is a lot of work taking place in government right now", she said.

She added if the Joint Committee on Vaccination and Immunisation say it is a possibility, then the government will "absolutely work to make that happen".

Bit ambiguous when you look at it all.

It is part of working out how to do phase two of the programme, the priority at the moment is the top 4 categories (70+, front line health workers, care staff and extremely vulnerable individuals).

After that is phase two 50+, this is where I expect them to be slotted in and actually go in as group 5 before or with the 65+

Sorry no phase one is everyone over 50 and high risk,phase 2 is those under 50.

That is his hat that is how it is worded on the government website.

I should have worded that better my understanding and from what the ministers were saying this morning suggests that police and school Staff will be put at the bottom of phase one which is the whole of that priority group above 50 so it means nobody will be bumped down but they will then officially be in the priority category if that makes any sense.

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By *pursChick aka ShortieWoman
over a year ago

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"Home Sec confirmed. Work is under way to move Teachers and Police up the queue.

"A decision is expected mid February" (Sky News)

The proposal "isn't something we are just thinking about, there is a lot of work taking place in government right now", she said.

She added if the Joint Committee on Vaccination and Immunisation say it is a possibility, then the government will "absolutely work to make that happen".

Bit ambiguous when you look at it all.

It is part of working out how to do phase two of the programme, the priority at the moment is the top 4 categories (70+, front line health workers, care staff and extremely vulnerable individuals).

After that is phase two 50+, this is where I expect them to be slotted in and actually go in as group 5 before or with the 65+

Sorry no phase one is everyone over 50 and high risk,phase 2 is those under 50.

That is his hat that is how it is worded on the government website.

I read it differently from the bbc:-

Prof Anthony Harnden, the deputy chair of the JCVI, which advises the government, said phase two of the rollout would continue to work down the priority list through the over-50s.

However, he told BBC Radio 5 live phase two would also concentrate on people who are potentially at risk of being exposed to the virus, such as teachers and police officers, as well as "those that are important to keep the economy running".

"There are a lot of factors in phase two which we'll be looking at in depth," he added.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-55730890

It’s about half way down this article. Everyone interpreting it differently. We’ll find out what they decide in mid February

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"Home Sec confirmed. Work is under way to move Teachers and Police up the queue.

"A decision is expected mid February" (Sky News)

The proposal "isn't something we are just thinking about, there is a lot of work taking place in government right now", she said.

She added if the Joint Committee on Vaccination and Immunisation say it is a possibility, then the government will "absolutely work to make that happen".

Bit ambiguous when you look at it all.

It is part of working out how to do phase two of the programme, the priority at the moment is the top 4 categories (70+, front line health workers, care staff and extremely vulnerable individuals).

After that is phase two 50+, this is where I expect them to be slotted in and actually go in as group 5 before or with the 65+

Sorry no phase one is everyone over 50 and high risk,phase 2 is those under 50.

That is his hat that is how it is worded on the government website.

I read it differently from the bbc:-

Prof Anthony Harnden, the deputy chair of the JCVI, which advises the government, said phase two of the rollout would continue to work down the priority list through the over-50s.

"There are a lot of factors in phase two which we'll be looking at in depth," he added.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-55730890

It’s about half way down this article. Everyone interpreting it differently. We’ll find out what they decide in mid February

It's all very confusing and I guess down to interpretations because nothing is actually been made official yet so we will just have to watch this space I guess.

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By *pursChick aka ShortieWoman
over a year ago

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"Home Sec confirmed. Work is under way to move Teachers and Police up the queue.

"A decision is expected mid February" (Sky News)

The proposal "isn't something we are just thinking about, there is a lot of work taking place in government right now", she said.

She added if the Joint Committee on Vaccination and Immunisation say it is a possibility, then the government will "absolutely work to make that happen".

Bit ambiguous when you look at it all.

It is part of working out how to do phase two of the programme, the priority at the moment is the top 4 categories (70+, front line health workers, care staff and extremely vulnerable individuals).

After that is phase two 50+, this is where I expect them to be slotted in and actually go in as group 5 before or with the 65+

Sorry no phase one is everyone over 50 and high risk,phase 2 is those under 50.

That is his hat that is how it is worded on the government website.

I read it differently from the bbc:-

Prof Anthony Harnden, the deputy chair of the JCVI, which advises the government, said phase two of the rollout would continue to work down the priority list through the over-50s.

"There are a lot of factors in phase two which we'll be looking at in depth," he added.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-55730890

It’s about half way down this article. Everyone interpreting it differently. We’ll find out what they decide in mid February

It's all very confusing and I guess down to interpretations because nothing is actually been made official yet so we will just have to watch this space I guess."

Agree can be confusing, but although it’s good to know what they might be thinking, never take it as happening until it’s actually published. Another month or thereabouts may be clearer

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By *oggoneMan
over a year ago

Derry

"I agree with him and I wonder the same too, the met police commissioner is 'baffled' of why officers not at front of covid vaccine queue, what reason do you think of why it is that?

https://www.lbc.co.uk/radio/presenters/nick-ferrari/met-police-commissioner-baffled-officers-not-at-front-of-covid-vaccine/?"

No, that's a stupid question.

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