FabSwingers.com forum: Women refusing face masks.....

By *heblackmac OP Man
over a year ago

Ladywell, Lewisham.

A woman who refused wearing face mask got kicked out from a Sainsbury’s shop by Police.

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By *andyfloss2000Woman
over a year ago

ashford

And rightly so! X

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By *unloversCouple
over a year ago

rotherham

Serves her right

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By *lan157Man
over a year ago

a village near Haywards Heath in East Sussex

Were you there OP ? I did not think the police were patrolling supermarkets so were they called to deal with an incident ?

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By *iss.ddWoman
over a year ago

Leeds + Newcastle

Is your thread title intentionally flammatory?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I read about that online, it's in a local newspaper.

In this instance they were right to ask her to leave and call the police. Her male friend did not have a mask on either. She was not medically exempt but was a known anti-masker She had a home made badge and a print out of the rules on facemasks in her hand. But nothing whatsoever to show any kind of reason. In fact she gave no reason why she could not wear a mask.

She should have been fined as well because it's people like her that can wear a mask, that make others have bad feeling towards genuine mask exempt people.

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By *ovebjsMan
over a year ago

Bristol

Some people leave the house just looking for an argument

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By *andy 1Couple
over a year ago

northeast

"I read about that online, it's in a local newspaper.

She should have been fined as well because it's people like her that can wear a mask, that make others have bad feeling towards genuine mask exempt people."

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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago

near ipswich

"Some people leave the house just looking for an argument "
Some dont even do that the polical forum is a good example of that.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"She was not medically exempt but was a known anti-masker She had a home made badge and a print out of the rules on facemasks in her hand. But nothing whatsoever to show any kind of reason. In fact she gave no reason why she could not wear a mask.

Firstly, everyone that can wear one should.

Just out of interest:

1. How do you know she wasn't exempt?

2. Do you think it is acceptable to have to share ANY medical information with private companies?

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By *sm265Woman
over a year ago

Shangri-la

"A woman who refused wearing face mask got kicked out from a Sainsbury’s shop by Police.

Good

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By *ackformore100Man
over a year ago

Tin town

Firstly, everyone that can wear one should.

Just out of interest:

1. How do you know she wasn't exempt?

2. Do you think it is acceptable to have to share ANY medical information with private companies?"

Nobody knows if she was exempt. But if she were then presumably it would have been much easier if her and her companion has calmly explained that.

I'm not sure explaining that you are exempt from wearing a mask in the midst of a pandemic is sharing medical information. But if in your eyes it does, then absolutely it is right. Either wear a face covering or explain the reasons why you can't. It's no more than that.

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By * Plus ECouple
over a year ago

The South

"I read about that online, it's in a local newspaper.

She should have been fined as well because it's people like her that can wear a mask, that make others have bad feeling towards genuine mask exempt people."

Every supermarket in her town should ban her from entry.

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By *aseMan
over a year ago

Gourock

Did she aye

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By *allySlinkyWoman
over a year ago

Leeds

"Is your thread title intentionally flammatory?

I think it is. Why mention plural masks and women when you are talking about one ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I read about that online, it's in a local newspaper.

She should have been fined as well because it's people like her that can wear a mask, that make others have bad feeling towards genuine mask exempt people."

Definitely she should have been fined, she won’t learn this way and will try it again somewhere else...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I was in a local Lidl supermarket in Glasgow. I cntacted their complaints department to inform them there were 8 adults in their store all together no social distancing and not one of them had a face mask on. They said the store could not police this. My response was that I would contact the police direct if I witnessed it again. This country/the UK in general is fucked and it is no wonder we now have the wort record on covid deaths worldwide.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

the aggressive anti maskers are just flat earth wankers and the security guards worst nightmare in this scenario. Trafford Centre wasn't barring anyone.. this is good news

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By *ackformore100Man
over a year ago

Tin town

"I was in a local Lidl supermarket in Glasgow. I cntacted their complaints department to inform them there were 8 adults in their store all together no social distancing and not one of them had a face mask on. They said the store could not police this. My response was that I would contact the police direct if I witnessed it again. This country/the UK in general is fucked and it is no wonder we now have the wort record on covid deaths worldwide. "

I won't shop at lidl anymore for that reason. Hopefully people will vote with their feet. No masks to lidl please. You can all enjoy your hard won freedoms together.

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By *ookMan
over a year ago

london

Being careful with my response as got put on the fab naughty step last time for being too passionate about this subject... but I am very pleased that this lady was removed from the supermarket ( sainsburys in dagenham I think).

No excuses, just calm direct action which should have been put in place months ago.

No mask no entry no exeptions.

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By *ig daddy 1969Man
over a year ago

manchester

"A woman who refused wearing face mask got kicked out from a Sainsbury’s shop by Police.

Would she refuse to wear a oxygen mask ?

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By *amissCouple
over a year ago

chelmsford

If she is a known anti masker, she should be kicked out and fined.

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By *eedsmale36Man
over a year ago

Leeds

"A woman who refused wearing face mask got kicked out from a Sainsbury’s shop by Police.

Was it Laurence Fox wearing a wig or out as his cross dressing alter ego “Foxy Lauren” ?

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By *ocbigMan
over a year ago

Birmingham

"A woman who refused wearing face mask got kicked out from a Sainsbury’s shop by Police.

Was it Laurence Fox wearing a wig or out as his cross dressing alter ego “Foxy Lauren” ?"

Can’t have been he would be all over the media by now telling us how oppressed he/she/they feel.

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By *ultry SuccubusTV/TS
over a year ago

London

In the country that I am now, premises (shops, markets, offices etc) won't allow anyone without mask to enter.

Being caught in public without mask may get you fined about (equivalent) GBP180.

We don't have mask-exempt rules. Everyone has to wear it if they want to go out in public places or just stay at home.

Of late, we have a surge of about 2000 to 4000 new cases per day and an average of about 5-10 covid-related deaths per day (highest ever was 16 deaths) and everyone is worried.

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

To be fair the Aldi has about 2 people working in every shop

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By *usie pTV/TS
over a year ago

taunton

Mask exempt is another load of total bollocks who the fook is going to die from wearing one ffs.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

In the country that I am now, premises (shops, markets, offices etc) won't allow anyone without mask to enter.

Being caught in public without mask may get you fined about (equivalent) GBP180.

We don't have mask-exempt rules. Everyone has to wear it if they want to go out in public places or just stay at home.

Of late, we have a surge of about 2000 to 4000 new cases per day and an average of about 5-10 covid-related deaths per day (highest ever was 16 deaths) and everyone is worried.

It should be like that here in the uk

No mask stay at home simple as that.

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By *ickthelick2001Man
over a year ago

nottingham

Despite a relatively clear Government exemptions policy, most members of the public appear to believe that everyone must be masked. Some, put in a state of fear by the coronavirus scare, are resorting to harassment and discrimination.

And this is why there an avalanche of discrimination cases are being started, the first successful one resulting in an out of court settlement for £7000 in December 2020.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Despite a relatively clear Government exemptions policy, most members of the public appear to believe that everyone must be masked. Some, put in a state of fear by the coronavirus scare, are resorting to harassment and discrimination.

And this is why there an avalanche of discrimination cases are being started, the first successful one resulting in an out of court settlement for £7000 in December 2020. "

So it’s acceptable to make a claim because they don’t agree with a government guideline to keep vulnerable people safe?.

Laughable and extremely selfish and goes to prove the kind of morons we have living in our society.

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By *adMerWoman
over a year ago

Sandwich

And this is why there an avalanche of discrimination cases are being started, the first successful one resulting in an out of court settlement for £7000 in December 2020. "

This is exactly what is wrong with society. Oh my feelings have been hurt. I must go to court to screw money out of someone!

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

And this is why there an avalanche of discrimination cases are being started, the first successful one resulting in an out of court settlement for £7000 in December 2020. "

Because they were told to wear a mask?

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By *andyfloss2000Woman
over a year ago

ashford

And this is why there an avalanche of discrimination cases are being started, the first successful one resulting in an out of court settlement for £7000 in December 2020. "

Yes we should fear this virus! And as much as it's frustrating for those for whatever reason cant wear them! We need to b tough and say no mask no entry no exception! Fgs! People are dying! X

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By *DGF20Man
over a year ago

Dublin

Omg, she definitely deserves death penalty, she is dangerous person for society

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By *atEvolutionCouple
over a year ago

atlantisEVOLUTION Swingers Club. Stoke

To be clear I am very much a supporter of mask wearing, but it's still an area that is wide open to abuse - by people who just don't want to wear it - and penalties for those people who don't have to.

(unless this has been changed somewhere else - .gov still reads . . . )

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Exemption cards.

If you have an age, health or disability reason for not wearing a face covering:

You do not routinely need to show any written evidence of this.

You do not need to show an exemption card.

This means that you do not need to seek advice or request a letter from a medical professional about your reason for not wearing a face covering.

However, some people may feel more comfortable showing something that says they do not have to wear a face covering. This could be in the form of an exemption card, badge or even a home-made sign.

Carrying an exemption card or badge is a personal choice and is not required by law.

__________________________________________

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By *eerobCouple
over a year ago

solihull

I believe this lady was asked if she had an exemption and she stated that she had not.

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By *esmond and Molly JonesCouple
over a year ago

Watford

"I read about that online, it's in a local newspaper.

She should have been fined as well because it's people like her that can wear a mask, that make others have bad feeling towards genuine mask exempt people."
Attention seeker.

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By *eglieanCouple
over a year ago

Torbay

"Omg, she definitely deserves death penalty, she is dangerous person for society "

Yes she does,, she's inflicting a poss death penalty on others. It's why we are in the shit we are.

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By *ackformore100Man
over a year ago

Tin town

"Omg, she definitely deserves death penalty, she is dangerous person for society "

Yes that's exactly the point. It is dangerous for people. My mum died of it 2 nights ago. Someone gave it to her. If they hadn't she'd still be alive and would not have been begging to be able to breathe for the last 2 weeks of her life. Its fucking dangerous for some people. It's not hard to wear a mask or keep your distance or wash your hands it really isn't.

It's not a time for silly childish footstamping tantrums. It's a time to do the right thing. Together. All of us. And then we will all get through it.

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By *amissCouple
over a year ago

chelmsford

"Omg, she definitely deserves death penalty, she is dangerous person for society

It's not a time for silly childish footstamping tantrums. It's a time to do the right thing. Together. All of us. And then we will all get through it. "

I'm so sorry to hear about your Mum...xx

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By *ocbigMan
over a year ago

Birmingham

I have sympathy with both sides here, I work amongst people for whom mask wearing would cause great distress, but then they wouldn’t necessarily need to be in a supermarket. I have friends with COPD & asthma, both would suffer whilst breathing thru a mask. I have walked to shops with these people & they wait outside mask free whilst I shop. There are people who may not get this opportunity from within their circle. Many are not happy shopping online or cannot get a slot.

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By *achel SmythTV/TS
over a year ago

Farnborough

"Omg, she definitely deserves death penalty, she is dangerous person for society

It's not a time for silly childish footstamping tantrums. It's a time to do the right thing. Together. All of us. And then we will all get through it. "

Sincere condolences for your loss ... and can’t think of anyone sadly more qualified to make the point you have.

R x

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By *mmixtapeCouple
over a year ago

middle earth

"Is your thread title intentionally flammatory?

The answer would be no.. don't jump the gun

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By *ittleMissCaliWoman
over a year ago

all loved up

"I have sympathy with both sides here, I work amongst people for whom mask wearing would cause great distress, but then they wouldn’t necessarily need to be in a supermarket. I have friends with COPD & asthma, both would suffer whilst breathing thru a mask. I have walked to shops with these people & they wait outside mask free whilst I shop. There are people who may not get this opportunity from within their circle. Many are not happy shopping online or cannot get a slot. "

I disagree with those with asthma not being able to wear one.. my sister has very bad asthma and always wears one...as advised by her nurse.

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By *lirty-CoupleCouple
over a year ago

Bexley

HMG, Tescos and Sainsburys certain don't agree that everone has to wear a mask. That's what their own advertising and websites state:

Sainsbury's - "We are following government guidance and encourage you to please do the same by wearing a mask when you are in our stores. However, we completely understand if you are medically exempt from wearing a mask."

Tesco - "To protect our customers and colleagues, we won’t let anyone into our stores who is not wearing a face covering, unless they are exempt in line with Government guidance. If you forget to bring one, we have packs available to buy at the front of our stores, which you can open immediately and pay for with your shopping later."

GOV.UK: "When you do not need to wear a face covering

In settings where face coverings are required in England there are some circumstances where people may not be able to wear a face covering.

Please be mindful and respectful of such circumstances. Some people are less able to wear face coverings, and the reasons for this may not be visible to others.

This includes (but is not limited to):

children under the age of 11 (Public Health England does not recommend face coverings for children under the age of 3 for health and safety reasons)

people who cannot put on, wear or remove a face covering because of a physical or mental illness or impairment, or disability

where putting on, wearing or removing a face covering will cause you severe distress

if you are speaking to or providing assistance to someone who relies on lip reading, clear sound or facial expressions to communicate

to avoid harm or injury, or the risk of harm or injury, to yourself or others ? including if it would negatively impact on your ability to exercise or participate in a strenuous activity

police officers and other emergency workers, given that this may interfere with their ability to serve the public."

It's funny how many people still choose to ignore the facts and try to lump together those with genuine exemptions with those who abuse the system. By so doing they are themselves ignoric the rules - how very ironic.

None of us know the history or medical conditions of the strangers we see shopping. The fact that some sad people ignore the rules isn't an excuse to penalise those who are genuinely exempt.

Some of the ignorance, abuse and intolerance being displayed with regard to this issue is frankly disgusting. Those guilty of it ought to be careful what they wish for because it might not be too long before an equally intolerant total stranger somewhere makes an unfair judgement on them and they find themselves wrongly on the receiving end.

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By *ultry SuccubusTV/TS
over a year ago

London

It's not a time for silly childish footstamping tantrums. It's a time to do the right thing. Together. All of us. And then we will all get through it. "

Condolences for your loss.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Omg, she definitely deserves death penalty, she is dangerous person for society

It's not a time for silly childish footstamping tantrums. It's a time to do the right thing. Together. All of us. And then we will all get through it. "

I am so sorry to hear about your mum buddy

I've a friend who just lost his Dad and the only place he went out the house to was to an open large park for walks and on occasion the supermarket.

Your absolutely right the virus does not care if your exempt or an anti masker its just sees a great big opportunity to be able to infect and sadly proven by science kill others. To go into a supermarket without a mask is playing Russian roulette only with other people's lives.

For me people's lives are the most sacred and if you can't / won't wear a mask then you need to understand if you enter supermarkets without one then you are putting other people's lives at risk that is a simple, undisputable fact.

The same applies to those not socially distancing, washing their hands me using hand sanitiser.

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"Omg, she definitely deserves death penalty, she is dangerous person for society

It's not a time for silly childish footstamping tantrums. It's a time to do the right thing. Together. All of us. And then we will all get through it. "

Sincerest condolences

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By *ackformore100Man
over a year ago

Tin town

Thanks for the kind thoughts, they are very welcome at a time like this. And when we can argue but still be human. I want to add one further observation and then I'm bailing out.

When I talk of "wearing a mask" I'm probably really implying a lot of stuff in those three words. I'm implying that it's clean and been put on and removed as well as possible and is worn as effectively as possible. And by that you can make a reasonable assumption that the wearer is doing what they can to keep safe distances whenever possible and stay safe. I of course don't mean the chin strap wearers and one ear wearers and polo neck jumpers pulled up. And I also recognise that in some extreme cases people genuinely can't for it endangers them or causes them harm (not discomfort as I think that's tolerable in the circumstances.)

I think until people come up close with this thing there are always going to be some who are blessed with their lives and their freedom to parade in front of a shop with a comrade and try to make some kind of childish and unnecessary point which only causes effort for others. Police have plenty to be doing and shouldn't have to be intervening in these types of situations. Let's act like grown ups who care a bit.

Stay safe everyone

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By *andyfloss2000Woman
over a year ago

ashford

"HMG, Tescos and Sainsburys certain don't agree that everone has to wear a mask. That's what their own advertising and websites state:

GOV.UK: "When you do not need to wear a face covering

In settings where face coverings are required in England there are some circumstances where people may not be able to wear a face covering.

Please be mindful and respectful of such circumstances. Some people are less able to wear face coverings, and the reasons for this may not be visible to others.

This includes (but is not limited to):

children under the age of 11 (Public Health England does not recommend face coverings for children under the age of 3 for health and safety reasons)

people who cannot put on, wear or remove a face covering because of a physical or mental illness or impairment, or disability

where putting on, wearing or removing a face covering will cause you severe distress

if you are speaking to or providing assistance to someone who relies on lip reading, clear sound or facial expressions to communicate

to avoid harm or injury, or the risk of harm or injury, to yourself or others ? including if it would negatively impact on your ability to exercise or participate in a strenuous activity

police officers and other emergency workers, given that this may interfere with their ability to serve the public."

None of us know the history or medical conditions of the strangers we see shopping. The fact that some sad people ignore the rules isn't an excuse to penalise those who are genuinely exempt.

No the supermarket I work at allow for exempt people! This is my personal view that's all! We talking supermarkets here have to remember! And whilst yes frustrating there are other ways to get shopping! Obviously there will b a tiny minority that wont and of course something will get sorted for them! I'm sure no one would suggest letting people starve! I'm not advocating people stay shut away! At all it's a supermarket at end of day a place that is a spreading ground for this virus x

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

O o O oo

A relative with asthma and COPD wears one every time they go into a shop. Drugs for the condition help you breathe easier so a mask doesn't stop that. If they are having a bad day with COPD then they wouldn't be out walking anyway so won't need the mask

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

O o O oo

"Thanks for the kind thoughts, they are very welcome at a time like this. And when we can argue but still be human. I want to add one further observation and then I'm bailing out.

Stay safe everyone

Perfectly put

If shop workers can wear theirs for hours while working to help us get fed then we should be able to wear ours for half hour while getting that food.

I think some people just don't like rules and will rebel whatever it is, but this is more about not spreading this horrible virus to others so it means we have to think of other people as well as ourselves...here seems to lie the problem

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By *ocbigMan
over a year ago

Birmingham

I see your point, both can be up &down even within a small time frame, and let’s not forget these are not the people that we should be insisting wear a mask, it is the fully fit but belligerent who cause the harm & they are in a minority.

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By *ools and the brainCouple
over a year ago

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By *ugby 123Couple
Forum Mod
over a year ago

O o O oo

I didn't insist anyone who has a condition wear a mask, I was just disagreeing that that isn't always a reason not to

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think most people agree that if somebody can wear one they should. This lady was just trying to prove a point and test the system because from what I have read she was asked if she was exempt and said no she just didn't want to wear one.

That is completely different to somebody who is unable to wear one and that is why it makes it very difficult for people that can't.

I think the other thing is we ofren get caught up on the people that don't or can't wear masks when the reality is the vast majority are.

I am hopefully that those that don't want to are being discouraged which then makes it easier for those that can't and maybe for others to be more understanding of those people.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Firstly, everyone that can wear one should.

Just out of interest:

1. How do you know she wasn't exempt?

2. Do you think it is acceptable to have to share ANY medical information with private companies?"

It states in the newspaper article that she did not offer a reason or medical condition for not wearing a mask.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Firstly, everyone that can wear one should.

Just out of interest:

1. How do you know she wasn't exempt?

2. Do you think it is acceptable to have to share ANY medical information with private companies?"

To answer question number 2, in the current circumstances it is acceptable to be asked for proof of not being able to wear a mask when going into shops.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Firstly, everyone that can wear one should.

Just out of interest:

1. How do you know she wasn't exempt?

2. Do you think it is acceptable to have to share ANY medical information with private companies?

To answer question number 2, in the current circumstances it is acceptable to be asked for proof of not being able to wear a mask when going into shops.

It is acceptable to ask if somebody is exempt and to ask people to wear A Langyard or badge.

I think the point the poster was trying to make was that it is not acceptable to have to disclose personal medical information and I think that is reasonable to not have to do that.

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By *rjimMan
over a year ago

nr bristol

The LAW is clear on non mask wearing.

The 2010 Equality act 2010 is clear on this as well.

I must assume that all you maskophiles are:

Not more that 2 kilos overweight. (bad for you)

Don't smoke (bad for you)

Dont drink (bad for you)

Dont do drugs (bad for you)

Otherwise you might be taking up beds and killing people who have a genuine reason to be in hospital due to your totally selfish behaviour.

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By *eefyBangerMan
over a year ago

edinburgh

"Mask exempt is another load of total bollocks who the fook is going to die from wearing one ffs."

And going the infection rates who the fook was catching it from not wearing one ffs

Mask don’t do anything as was preached by all and sundry within the government’s during wave one. Suddenly we were all told we must wear a mask and continue to maintain a 2 metre distance from other people. Since then there is more cases than ever being recorded.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Firstly, everyone that can wear one should.

Just out of interest:

1. How do you know she wasn't exempt?

2. Do you think it is acceptable to have to share ANY medical information with private companies?"

Also as the parent of a disabled young person, I have to show proof of her medical conditions to claim

Bus pass

PIP

Cinema card (private company)

To get into Zoos and other places on the concessionary entrance fees..

Ect, ect.

I am happy to show proof of her disability..IF..I take her to a shop without her wearing a facemask.

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By *andyfloss2000Woman
over a year ago

ashford

"Mask exempt is another load of total bollocks who the fook is going to die from wearing one ffs.

And going the infection rates who the fook was catching it from not wearing one ffs

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Firstly, everyone that can wear one should.

Just out of interest:

1. How do you know she wasn't exempt?

2. Do you think it is acceptable to have to share ANY medical information with private companies?

Also as the parent of a disabled young person, I have to show proof of her medical conditions to claim

Bus pass

PIP

Cinema card (private company)

To get into Zoos and other places on the concessionary entrance fees..

Ect, ect.

I am happy to show proof of her disability..IF..I take her to a shop without her wearing a facemask.

I agree however proof of disability so your bus pass or your blue badge doesn't have your medical information on it.

when you are applying for pip then yes but I would say that is a different situation altogether.

When you apply for the cinema card or disabled persons railcard for example you just have to show proof of pip or severe disability entitlement rather than disclosure your medical conditions.

Proving disability isn't an issue as far as I'm concerned but asking what that disability is is not acceptable.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Mask don’t do anything as was preached by all and sundry within the government’s during wave one. Suddenly we were all told we must wear a mask and continue to maintain a 2 metre distance from other people. Since then there is more cases than ever being recorded."

If we apply your logic to road traffic accidents, it would mean that seat belts 'don't do anything' because people still get injured and die.

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over a year ago

"I read about that online, it's in a local newspaper.

She should have been fined as well because it's people like her that can wear a mask, that make others have bad feeling towards genuine mask exempt people."

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By *ocbigMan
over a year ago

Birmingham

"Mask exempt is another load of total bollocks who the fook is going to die from wearing one ffs.

And going the infection rates who the fook was catching it from not wearing one ffs

I believe the science was equivocal, but on balance is likely to do more good than harm, likewise maintaining 2 meters as someone else mentioned, people spread this virus..

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By *ssex_tomMan
over a year ago

Chelmsford

The non mask wearers are akin to barebackers.. selfish prats who are playing Russian Roulette with other people's lives... Exemption for genuine reason of course.. but if you cant wear a mask then make every effort to get shopping delivered or get friends or family or volunteers to shop for you...

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By *ensual 2Couple
over a year ago

Blackpool

"A woman who refused wearing face mask got kicked out from a Sainsbury’s shop by Police.

Would she refuse to wear a oxygen mask ?"
If she was wheeled in hospital she would beg for a mask....maybe she should take a visit inside the Intensive care units and see just serious things are !!

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By * Plus ECouple
over a year ago

The South

"Mask exempt is another load of total bollocks who the fook is going to die from wearing one ffs.

And going the infection rates who the fook was catching it from not wearing one ffs

Masks don't do anything?

Bizarre.

Two men stand facing each other, naked and pissing. Both men get pissed on.

Two men stand facing each other pissing, one man wears pants, one man gets pissed on.

Two men stand facing each other pissing, both men wear pants. Neither man gets pissed on.

Is so simple it doesn't even need science.

If you're not part of the solution you're part of the problem.

Wear a mask.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Mask exempt is another load of total bollocks who the fook is going to die from wearing one ffs.

And going the infection rates who the fook was catching it from not wearing one ffs

I believe the science was equivocal, but on balance is likely to do more good than harm, likewise maintaining 2 meters as someone else mentioned, people spread this virus.."

It is to those who understand and are genuinely open to the evidence, but not to those who have an agenda irrespective of evidence.

Much like the colour blind person arguing with others that the green grass is really pink because that's the way he's been told and learnt it.

The colours you see may not always be the same as the colours someone else see as we see colour through our brains, not our eyes. What we feed out brain with will determine our understanding.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

And this is why there an avalanche of discrimination cases are being started, the first successful one resulting in an out of court settlement for £7000 in December 2020.

Because they were told to wear a mask?"
NO because disability law was broken, as a parent of 2 Autistic children, we see it daily.... unfortunately it sounds this woman whether exempt or not wanted to make a fuss, rather then quietly prove she was. Tbh ban her for being a cupid stunt if anything.

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By *andyfloss2000Woman
over a year ago

ashford

And this is why there an avalanche of discrimination cases are being started, the first successful one resulting in an out of court settlement for £7000 in December 2020.

Because they were told to wear a mask? NO because disability law was broken, as a parent of 2 Autistic children, we see it daily.... unfortunately it sounds this woman whether exempt or not wanted to make a fuss, rather then quietly prove she was. Tbh ban her for being a cupid stunt if anything. "

I get that! I have a autistic daughter! And while I truly emphasize! In these times there really is no need to go into a supermarket( which must be the biggest spreader of covid) without a mask if people cant for whatever reason stay away! As blunt as that is I would rather offend someone than someone die at end of the day tbh x

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over a year ago

And this is why there an avalanche of discrimination cases are being started, the first successful one resulting in an out of court settlement for £7000 in December 2020.

Offending someone and discriminating someone is not the same and why supermarkets are not refusing entry to exempt people.

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By *andyfloss2000Woman
over a year ago

ashford

And this is why there an avalanche of discrimination cases are being started, the first successful one resulting in an out of court settlement for £7000 in December 2020.

Offending someone and discriminating someone is not the same and why supermarkets are not refusing entry to exempt people. "

I didnt say it was ok then I would rather discriminate than someone die is the bottom line!

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over a year ago

And this is why there an avalanche of discrimination cases are being started, the first successful one resulting in an out of court settlement for £7000 in December 2020.

Offending someone and discriminating someone is not the same and why supermarkets are not refusing entry to exempt people.

I didnt say it was ok then I would rather discriminate than someone die is the bottom line!"

Well thankfully the law doesn't agree with you, If you discriminate against somebody in your work place because of a disability, race, Sexuality ect Expect to be sacked and for legal action to be taken.

Like i said offending someone and deliberately discriminating against someone are totally different things.

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over a year ago

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By *achel SmythTV/TS
over a year ago

Farnborough

And this is why there an avalanche of discrimination cases are being started, the first successful one resulting in an out of court settlement for £7000 in December 2020.

Offending someone and discriminating someone is not the same and why supermarkets are not refusing entry to exempt people.

I didnt say it was ok then I would rather discriminate than someone die is the bottom line!

Like i said offending someone and deliberately discriminating against someone are totally different things."

Here we go!

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By *andyfloss2000Woman
over a year ago

ashford

And this is why there an avalanche of discrimination cases are being started, the first successful one resulting in an out of court settlement for £7000 in December 2020.

Offending someone and discriminating someone is not the same and why supermarkets are not refusing entry to exempt people.

I didnt say it was ok then I would rather discriminate than someone die is the bottom line!

Like i said offending someone and deliberately discriminating against someone are totally different things.

Here we go! "

I need the face palm emoji

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By *andyfloss2000Woman
over a year ago

ashford

And this is why there an avalanche of discrimination cases are being started, the first successful one resulting in an out of court settlement for £7000 in December 2020.

Offending someone and discriminating someone is not the same and why supermarkets are not refusing entry to exempt people.

I didnt say it was ok then I would rather discriminate than someone die is the bottom line!

Like i said offending someone and deliberately discriminating against someone are totally different things."

I'm not gonna argue with u!

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By *uliaChrisCouple
over a year ago

westerham

And this is why there an avalanche of discrimination cases are being started, the first successful one resulting in an out of court settlement for £7000 in December 2020. "

Sorry I'm not doubting you but have you got a link to this case? No o ne is getting a 7000 quid payout over a mask dispute, there must be more to it?

You sure it wasn't a fight leading to an assault charge or something?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

And this is why there an avalanche of discrimination cases are being started, the first successful one resulting in an out of court settlement for £7000 in December 2020.

Sorry I'm not doubting you but have you got a link to this case? No o ne is getting a 7000 quid payout over a mask dispute, there must be more to it?

You sure it wasn't a fight leading to an assault charge or something? "

It was an out of court settlement.

It was because she was refused access for being mask exempt and she showed proof.

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By *amissCouple
over a year ago

chelmsford

In all honesty, I have to say Ive seen maybe 3 or 4 people in the supermarket with lanyards and only one group of 6 young men without masks and the manager handled the situation very well, taking one of them to the front of the store to buy masks. I always keep well away from anyone, as someone else said, some masks are not worn correctly and some look like they've seen better days, I haven't seen any store staff approach these people.

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By * Plus ECouple
over a year ago

The South

And this is why there an avalanche of discrimination cases are being started, the first successful one resulting in an out of court settlement for £7000 in December 2020.

Offending someone and discriminating someone is not the same and why supermarkets are not refusing entry to exempt people.

I didnt say it was ok then I would rather discriminate than someone die is the bottom line!

Like i said offending someone and deliberately discriminating against someone are totally different things.

Here we go!

I need the face palm emoji

No you dont, you need to understand the difference between being offended and being discriminated against.

You've just said you're happy to discriminate against people. Personally I think that's dreadful under any circumstances.

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

And this is why there an avalanche of discrimination cases are being started, the first successful one resulting in an out of court settlement for £7000 in December 2020.

Sorry I'm not doubting you but have you got a link to this case? No o ne is getting a 7000 quid payout over a mask dispute, there must be more to it?

You sure it wasn't a fight leading to an assault charge or something?

It was an out of court settlement.

It was because she was refused access for being mask exempt and she showed proof."

So that's slightly different then isnt it?

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By *andyfloss2000Woman
over a year ago

ashford

And this is why there an avalanche of discrimination cases are being started, the first successful one resulting in an out of court settlement for £7000 in December 2020.

Offending someone and discriminating someone is not the same and why supermarkets are not refusing entry to exempt people.

I didnt say it was ok then I would rather discriminate than someone die is the bottom line!

Like i said offending someone and deliberately discriminating against someone are totally different things.

Here we go!

I need the face palm emoji

No you dont, you need to understand the difference between being offended and being discriminated against.

You've just said you're happy to discriminate against people. Personally I think that's dreadful under any circumstances.

U can think whatever u like! X

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By *incskittenWoman
over a year ago

Nottingham

The government are at fault here for not making the rules clearer. If exempt you should have an exemption certificate from your doctor and should show it if asked.

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By *asIsaCouple
over a year ago

harrow

Absolutely spot on my friend. I've just come from Tesco and had a similar experience. They aren't interested. So if they are right and transmission is high in supermarkets, you are right - we are as you say 'fucked'!

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By *amissCouple
over a year ago

chelmsford

"The government are at fault here for not making the rules clearer. If exempt you should have an exemption certificate from your doctor and should show it if asked.

The doctors said they didn't have the time to issue certificates, but it would stop all this.

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By * Plus ECouple
over a year ago

The South

"The government are at fault here for not making the rules clearer. If exempt you should have an exemption certificate from your doctor and should show it if asked.

I've looked at the guidance pretty much every day.

It's comprehensive and crystal clear, I can't see anything I don't understand about the guidance.

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By *incskittenWoman
over a year ago

Nottingham

"The government are at fault here for not making the rules clearer. If exempt you should have an exemption certificate from your doctor and should show it if asked.

The doctors said they didn't have the time to issue certificates, but it would stop all this."

If the government said it had to be done they would find the time.

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By *ssex_tomMan
over a year ago

Chelmsford

And this is why there an avalanche of discrimination cases are being started, the first successful one resulting in an out of court settlement for £7000 in December 2020.

Offending someone and discriminating someone is not the same and why supermarkets are not refusing entry to exempt people.

I didnt say it was ok then I would rather discriminate than someone die is the bottom line!

Like i said offending someone and deliberately discriminating against someone are totally different things.

Here we go!

I need the face palm emoji

No you dont, you need to understand the difference between being offended and being discriminated against.

You've just said you're happy to discriminate against people. Personally I think that's dreadful under any circumstances.

There is discrimination that breaks the law and discrimination that doesn't break the law.. if I had a shop.. I would discriminate against anyone not wearing a mask unless they had an exemption.. most are covidiots and I would discriminate against them regardless of race religion gender or sex, not because they are a Chinese female one legged Jew but because they are fucking stupid. No mask.. fuck off out of my shop...

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By *incskittenWoman
over a year ago

Nottingham

"The government are at fault here for not making the rules clearer. If exempt you should have an exemption certificate from your doctor and should show it if asked.

I've looked at the guidance pretty much every day.

It's comprehensive and crystal clear, I can't see anything I don't understand about the guidance.

The guidance is clear i agree.

The guidance is wrong imo.

The exempt should be issued with a certificate by a medical professional.

Not fecking ebay or amazon.

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By * Plus ECouple
over a year ago

The South

"The government are at fault here for not making the rules clearer. If exempt you should have an exemption certificate from your doctor and should show it if asked.

I've looked at the guidance pretty much every day.

It's comprehensive and crystal clear, I can't see anything I don't understand about the guidance.

The guidance is clear i agree.

The guidance is wrong imo.

The exempt should be issued with a certificate by a medical professional.

Not fecking ebay or amazon. "

Quoteing

"The exempt should be issued with a certificate by a medical professional"

I've said that from day 1. I was really shocked when someone said anyone could self exempt by downloading a form from the internet...... That's madness.

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By *incskittenWoman
over a year ago

Nottingham

"The government are at fault here for not making the rules clearer. If exempt you should have an exemption certificate from your doctor and should show it if asked.

I've looked at the guidance pretty much every day.

It's comprehensive and crystal clear, I can't see anything I don't understand about the guidance.

The guidance is clear i agree.

The guidance is wrong imo.

The exempt should be issued with a certificate by a medical professional.

Not fecking ebay or amazon.

Quoteing

"The exempt should be issued with a certificate by a medical professional"

I've said that from day 1. I was really shocked when someone said anyone could self exempt by downloading a form from the internet...... That's madness.

We agree then x

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By *amissCouple
over a year ago

chelmsford

"The government are at fault here for not making the rules clearer. If exempt you should have an exemption certificate from your doctor and should show it if asked.

The doctors said they didn't have the time to issue certificates, but it would stop all this.

If the government said it had to be done they would find the time."

I doubt that will happen though..

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By *uliaChrisCouple
over a year ago

westerham

And this is why there an avalanche of discrimination cases are being started, the first successful one resulting in an out of court settlement for £7000 in December 2020.

Sorry I'm not doubting you but have you got a link to this case? No o ne is getting a 7000 quid payout over a mask dispute, there must be more to it?

You sure it wasn't a fight leading to an assault charge or something?

It was an out of court settlement.

It was because she was refused access for being mask exempt and she showed proof.

So that's slightly different then isnt it?"

I know you've said out of court settlement and it's a civil matter - having found the link myself I'm a bit shocked by the outcome.

Fullfact.org has a nice little legal summary that suggests such claims are very unlikely to succeed if the shop owner has been reasonable (the comparison given was with allowing access to a guide dog).

But 7000 quid for hurt feelings? In a time of national crisis?

I can only think the shop owner had terrible or no legal advice and the disabled person had an aggressive scary lawyer. Or some particularly incriminating cctv.

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By * Plus ECouple
over a year ago

The South

"The government are at fault here for not making the rules clearer. If exempt you should have an exemption certificate from your doctor and should show it if asked.

I've looked at the guidance pretty much every day.

It's comprehensive and crystal clear, I can't see anything I don't understand about the guidance.

The guidance is clear i agree.

The guidance is wrong imo.

The exempt should be issued with a certificate by a medical professional.

Not fecking ebay or amazon.

Quoteing

"The exempt should be issued with a certificate by a medical professional"

I've said that from day 1. I was really shocked when someone said anyone could self exempt by downloading a form from the internet...... That's madness.

We agree then x"

On this "The exempt should be issued with a certificate by a medical professional" very much so.

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By *sGivesWoodWoman
over a year ago

ST. AUSTELL, CORNWALL

"Mask exempt is another load of total bollocks who the fook is going to die from wearing one ffs."

You clearly have no idea or tolerance of mental health or medical conditions then. Nobody said masks can cause death.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

And this is why there an avalanche of discrimination cases are being started, the first successful one resulting in an out of court settlement for £7000 in December 2020.

Sorry I'm not doubting you but have you got a link to this case? No o ne is getting a 7000 quid payout over a mask dispute, there must be more to it?

You sure it wasn't a fight leading to an assault charge or something?

It was an out of court settlement.

It was because she was refused access for being mask exempt and she showed proof.

So that's slightly different then isnt it?

I know you've said out of court settlement and it's a civil matter - having found the link myself I'm a bit shocked by the outcome.

But 7000 quid for hurt feelings? In a time of national crisis?

I can only think the shop owner had terrible or no legal advice and the disabled person had an aggressive scary lawyer. Or some particularly incriminating cctv."

I do Understand what you are saying but I think it is a bit flippant to say hurt feelings.

Being made to feel you are excluded from something because of a condition or disability is more than hurt feelings.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It gets more like communist china every day.

Why not bring back the stocks and public flogging.

Im sure you'll all love it.

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By *sGivesWoodWoman
over a year ago

ST. AUSTELL, CORNWALL

"The government are at fault here for not making the rules clearer. If exempt you should have an exemption certificate from your doctor and should show it if asked.

I've looked at the guidance pretty much every day.

It's comprehensive and crystal clear, I can't see anything I don't understand about the guidance.

The guidance is clear i agree.

The guidance is wrong imo.

The exempt should be issued with a certificate by a medical professional.

Not fecking ebay or amazon.

Quoteing

"The exempt should be issued with a certificate by a medical professional"

I've said that from day 1. I was really shocked when someone said anyone could self exempt by downloading a form from the internet...... That's madness.

We agree then x

On this "The exempt should be issued with a certificate by a medical professional" very much so.

I'll just trot off to my nearest GP and waste his or her time to get one then. Thus taking him or her away from actually treating people who need it and making them do even more paperwork that they don't need to be doing then.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The government are at fault here for not making the rules clearer. If exempt you should have an exemption certificate from your doctor and should show it if asked.

I've looked at the guidance pretty much every day.

It's comprehensive and crystal clear, I can't see anything I don't understand about the guidance.

The guidance is clear i agree.

The guidance is wrong imo.

The exempt should be issued with a certificate by a medical professional.

Not fecking ebay or amazon.

Quoteing

"The exempt should be issued with a certificate by a medical professional"

I've said that from day 1. I was really shocked when someone said anyone could self exempt by downloading a form from the internet...... That's madness.

We agree then x

On this "The exempt should be issued with a certificate by a medical professional" very much so.

I agree if there was a recognised document that didn't disclose personal medical information that could be issued by a medical professional and shown to relevant people I actually think that would stop a lot of the intolerance and make life easier for those who are exempt and those trying to enforce face covering rules.

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By *sGivesWoodWoman
over a year ago

ST. AUSTELL, CORNWALL

"It gets more like communist china every day.

Why not bring back the stocks and public flogging.

Im sure you'll all love it."

I'm sure some will.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It gets more like communist china every day.

Why not bring back the stocks and public flogging.

Im sure you'll all love it.

I'm sure some will.

I wouldn't mind a good flogging.

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By * Plus ECouple
over a year ago

The South

"The government are at fault here for not making the rules clearer. If exempt you should have an exemption certificate from your doctor and should show it if asked.

I've looked at the guidance pretty much every day.

It's comprehensive and crystal clear, I can't see anything I don't understand about the guidance.

The guidance is clear i agree.

The guidance is wrong imo.

The exempt should be issued with a certificate by a medical professional.

Not fecking ebay or amazon.

Quoteing

"The exempt should be issued with a certificate by a medical professional"

I've said that from day 1. I was really shocked when someone said anyone could self exempt by downloading a form from the internet...... That's madness.

We agree then x

On this "The exempt should be issued with a certificate by a medical professional" very much so.

Absolutely. It seems obvious and logical to me.

Anything that benefits those who have a genuine need and those who have a reason to know has got to be mutually beneficial.

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By * Plus ECouple
over a year ago

The South

"The government are at fault here for not making the rules clearer. If exempt you should have an exemption certificate from your doctor and should show it if asked.

I've looked at the guidance pretty much every day.

It's comprehensive and crystal clear, I can't see anything I don't understand about the guidance.

The guidance is clear i agree.

The guidance is wrong imo.

The exempt should be issued with a certificate by a medical professional.

Not fecking ebay or amazon.

Quoteing

"The exempt should be issued with a certificate by a medical professional"

I've said that from day 1. I was really shocked when someone said anyone could self exempt by downloading a form from the internet...... That's madness.

We agree then x

On this "The exempt should be issued with a certificate by a medical professional" very much so.

Or, you ask your GP over the phone, he agrees you have a need and gets the admin team to pop one in the post or email it.

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By *ackformore100Man
over a year ago

Tin town

Just a thought for those throwing up the roadblocks.

All medical records are on computer. It would take a programmer about 5 minutes to scan through records and find all who hVe a valid excemption. It would take a GPS clerk or secretary about an hour to print and laminate along with a unique qr code if needed. Stick it in an envelope and send it out.

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By * Plus ECouple
over a year ago

The South

"Just a thought for those throwing up the roadblocks.

I said something similar a few days ago.

My inbox exploded with vitriol.

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By *os19Man
over a year ago

Edmonton

I have seen a couple of Facebook videos of a lady demanding to be served in Sainsbury’s without a face mask and another at the end where she takes down the two police officer numbers on their uniform not sure if it’s the same lady or two different videos but definitely Sainsbury’s.My view is very simple when I go into any supermarket I wear my mask as that is what we have been asked to do.If anyone is exempt then they should have the correct documents to show they are exempt.As far as I am concerned if the retail outlet or food takeaway say you should wear a mask your should wear it respect their right to refuse to serve you if you don’t.

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By *amissCouple
over a year ago

chelmsford

I do wonder how many people are saying they are exempt when they aren't, I would think it would be a very small amount. GP surgeries are overwhelmed more now, with arranging jab appointments and I'm sure are working longer hours, this is something else they don't need.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I have seen a couple of Facebook videos of a lady demanding to be served in Sainsbury’s without a face mask and another at the end where she takes down the two police officer numbers on their uniform not sure if it’s the same lady or two different videos but definitely Sainsbury’s.My view is very simple when I go into any supermarket I wear my mask as that is what we have been asked to do.If anyone is exempt then they should have the correct documents to show they are exempt.As far as I am concerned if the retail outlet or food takeaway say you should wear a mask your should wear it respect their right to refuse to serve you if you don’t."

This is the point though what are the correct documents?

Somebody who goes into a supermarket with a printed off homemade sign is providing the correct documentation according to government advice.

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By *ensual massagerMan
over a year ago

Bolton

Firstly, everyone that can wear one should.

Just out of interest:

1. How do you know she wasn't exempt?

2. Do you think it is acceptable to have to share ANY medical information with private companies?

Nobody knows if she was exempt. But if she were then presumably it would have been much easier if her and her companion has calmly explained that.

You don't have to physically prove you're exempt. There are no requirements to wear something or show proof of your disability or inability to wear a mask. It's totally discriminatory at it's finest.

People are intent to have rights removed and once something like that goes, there will be other rights lost then try and get them back

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By *ensual massagerMan
over a year ago

Bolton

"I read about that online, it's in a local newspaper.

She should have been fined as well because it's people like her that can wear a mask, that make others have bad feeling towards genuine mask exempt people.

Definitely she should have been fined, she won’t learn this way and will try it again somewhere else..."

And if she can prove she's exempt, sue the supermarket and police.

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

She sounds a right keeper.

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By *ensual massagerMan
over a year ago

Bolton

I won't shop at lidl anymore for that reason. Hopefully people will vote with their feet. No masks to lidl please. You can all enjoy your hard won freedoms together. "

You're advocating losing rights and freedom

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

You don't have to physically prove you're exempt. There are no requirements to wear something or show proof of your disability or inability to wear a mask. It's totally discriminatory at it's finest.

People are intent to have rights removed and once something like that goes, there will be other rights lost then try and get them back

You're right that as it stands there is no legislation stating you must prove exemption. There should be though.

To say that it's discrimination is ridiculous. You have to prove exemption or entitlement to almost everything.

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By *usybee73Man
over a year ago

in the sticks

Firstly, everyone that can wear one should.

Just out of interest:

1. How do you know she wasn't exempt?

2. Do you think it is acceptable to have to share ANY medical information with private companies?

Nobody knows if she was exempt. But if she were then presumably it would have been much easier if her and her companion has calmly explained that.

You don't have to physically prove you're exempt. There are no requirements to wear something or show proof of your disability or inability to wear a mask. It's totally discriminatory at it's finest.

People are intent to have rights removed and once something like that goes, there will be other rights lost then try and get them back

Could always wear a star arm band ??

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By *os19Man
over a year ago

Edmonton

This is the point though what are the correct documents?

Somebody who goes into a supermarket with a printed off homemade sign is providing the correct documentation according to government advice."
. To me a printed off homemade sign does not seem like the correct documentation to me but if the government deem it acceptable then I guess it’s up to each individual business to decide if it is acceptable.I work for a government dept but no member of the public is allowed into the office without a face mask.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

This is the point though what are the correct documents?

Somebody who goes into a supermarket with a printed off homemade sign is providing the correct documentation according to government advice.. To me a printed off homemade sign does not seem like the correct documentation to me but if the government deem it acceptable then I guess it’s up to each individual business to decide if it is acceptable.I work for a government dept but no member of the public is allowed into the office without a face mask."

Even if exempt?

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over a year ago

I won't shop at lidl anymore for that reason. Hopefully people will vote with their feet. No masks to lidl please. You can all enjoy your hard won freedoms together.

You're advocating losing rights and freedom "

I'm all for justice and protecting peoples rights, but in a pandemic where people's lives are at risk the people who flought come decency are just fuckwits, end of story..

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By *os19Man
over a year ago

Edmonton

This is the point though what are the correct documents?

Even if exempt?

"
. Even if exempt.We do a telephone appointment if they are adamant they need to speak to someone or they stand outside and we deal with them at the door 1-2 metres apart not ideal I know but it is what it is.So far we haven’t had anyone say they are exempt although to be fair not too many people have come in.

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By *andyfloss2000Woman
over a year ago

ashford

I won't shop at lidl anymore for that reason. Hopefully people will vote with their feet. No masks to lidl please. You can all enjoy your hard won freedoms together.

You're advocating losing rights and freedom "

No one is advocating losing rights whatsoever! These are extreme times which call for extreme measures! People are losing their lives! X

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I won't shop at lidl anymore for that reason. Hopefully people will vote with their feet. No masks to lidl please. You can all enjoy your hard won freedoms together.

You're advocating losing rights and freedom

No one is advocating losing rights whatsoever! These are extreme times which call for extreme measures! People are losing their lives! X"

The thread right above this one (at time of posting) is entitled

"UK has worst daily Covid death rate in the world...."

I wonder what could possibly be one of the contributing factors for that?

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By *ackformore100Man
over a year ago

Tin town

I won't shop at lidl anymore for that reason. Hopefully people will vote with their feet. No masks to lidl please. You can all enjoy your hard won freedoms together.

You're advocating losing rights and freedom "

Not sure where you make that assumption but what I'm advocating is that everyone who doesn't wish to wear a face mask goes to shop in the same shop. And for those who choose to wear a mask properly, shop in the same shop, then there's no conflict. I'm also very much advocating keeping people alive by doing what needs to be done. And it would seem thta some people think that infringes on their rights. Well in a national crisis sometimes we have to do things we don't want to do. A little consideration, a little thought for others, makes all the difference.

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By *parkle1974Woman
over a year ago

Leeds

No reason why anyone can't wear a mask.

If you can't wear one over your nose and mouth then get a clear visor!

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By *hagTonightMan
over a year ago

From the land of haribos.

Rightly so too

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By *he Ring WraithMan
over a year ago

Bradford

If I owned a shop that was allowed to be open, then anyone coming in would wear a face covering or they would not be allowed to come in.

No exceptions no excuses, your choice wear one and enter or shop somewhere else.

I respect your right to break the law if you wish and use as many excuses to justify it but in my opinion all these exemptions are just helping to spread this thing.

Choose to die if you wish but don't use your idea of human rights to take others with you.

I have lost two of my oldest and best mates die of this and see one of their widows almost daily, where her rights.

Get real and wear a mask .

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

O o O oo

I won't shop at lidl anymore for that reason. Hopefully people will vote with their feet. No masks to lidl please. You can all enjoy your hard won freedoms together.

You're advocating losing rights and freedom

No one is advocating losing rights whatsoever! These are extreme times which call for extreme measures! People are losing their lives! X

The thread right above this one (at time of posting) is entitled

"UK has worst daily Covid death rate in the world...."

I wonder what could possibly be one of the contributing factors for that?

1610 just today alone

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By *usie pTV/TS
over a year ago

taunton

Well said sparkle.

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By *ensual massagerMan
over a year ago

Bolton

You don't have to physically prove you're exempt. There are no requirements to wear something or show proof of your disability or inability to wear a mask. It's totally discriminatory at it's finest.

People are intent to have rights removed and once something like that goes, there will be other rights lost then try and get them back

You're right that as it stands there is no legislation stating you must prove exemption. There should be though.

To say that it's discrimination is ridiculous. You have to prove exemption or entitlement to almost everything."

That is discrimination. If it's not, you say what it is.

You do NOT have to prove that you exempt. Read the law

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By *ensual massagerMan
over a year ago

Bolton

Firstly, everyone that can wear one should.

Just out of interest:

1. How do you know she wasn't exempt?

2. Do you think it is acceptable to have to share ANY medical information with private companies?

Nobody knows if she was exempt. But if she were then presumably it would have been much easier if her and her companion has calmly explained that.

You don't have to physically prove you're exempt. There are no requirements to wear something or show proof of your disability or inability to wear a mask. It's totally discriminatory at it's finest.

People are intent to have rights removed and once something like that goes, there will be other rights lost then try and get them back

Could always wear a star arm band ?? "

Nobody should have to wear anything to prove they're disabled

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By *ensual massagerMan
over a year ago

Bolton

I won't shop at lidl anymore for that reason. Hopefully people will vote with their feet. No masks to lidl please. You can all enjoy your hard won freedoms together.

You're advocating losing rights and freedom

I'm all for justice and protecting peoples rights, but in a pandemic where people's lives are at risk the people who flought come decency are just fuckwits, end of story.. "

Not end of story at all unless you aren't replying.

Yes, people's lives are at risk but more are at rusk by bullying fuckwits who are trying to deny the disabled their rights in LAW.

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By *ensual massagerMan
over a year ago

Bolton

I won't shop at lidl anymore for that reason. Hopefully people will vote with their feet. No masks to lidl please. You can all enjoy your hard won freedoms together.

You're advocating losing rights and freedom

No one is advocating losing rights whatsoever! These are extreme times which call for extreme measures! People are losing their lives! X"

So you consider that they or people lose their rights because of the situation? You are extremist

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By *andyfloss2000Woman
over a year ago

ashford

I won't shop at lidl anymore for that reason. Hopefully people will vote with their feet. No masks to lidl please. You can all enjoy your hard won freedoms together.

You're advocating losing rights and freedom

I'm all for justice and protecting peoples rights, but in a pandemic where people's lives are at risk the people who flought come decency are just fuckwits, end of story..

Not end of story at all unless you aren't replying.

Yes, people's lives are at risk but more are at rusk by bullying fuckwits who are trying to deny the disabled their rights in LAW. "

So peoples rights are more important than peoples lives??? X

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By *ensual massagerMan
over a year ago

Bolton

I won't shop at lidl anymore for that reason. Hopefully people will vote with their feet. No masks to lidl please. You can all enjoy your hard won freedoms together.

You're advocating losing rights and freedom

Here and now. I always wear a mask when required but there are allowable exemptions by the same government that brought in the regulations, restrictions and laws. If you respect the restrictions then respect the exemptions

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By *ensual massagerMan
over a year ago

Bolton

"No reason why anyone can't wear a mask.

If you can't wear one over your nose and mouth then get a clear visor! "

Waste of time and money

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By *ensual massagerMan
over a year ago

Bolton

"If I owned a shop that was allowed to be open, then anyone coming in would wear a face covering or they would not be allowed to come in.

No exceptions no excuses, your choice wear one and enter or shop somewhere else.

I respect your right to break the law if you wish and use as many excuses to justify it but in my opinion all these exemptions are just helping to spread this thing.

Choose to die if you wish but don't use your idea of human rights to take others with you.

I have lost two of my oldest and best mates die of this and see one of their widows almost daily, where her rights.

Get real and wear a mask ."

Total discrimination

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I won't shop at lidl anymore for that reason. Hopefully people will vote with their feet. No masks to lidl please. You can all enjoy your hard won freedoms together.

You're advocating losing rights and freedom

I'm all for justice and protecting peoples rights, but in a pandemic where people's lives are at risk the people who flought come decency are just fuckwits, end of story..

Not end of story at all unless you aren't replying.

Yes, people's lives are at risk but more are at rusk by bullying fuckwits who are trying to deny the disabled their rights in LAW. "

I am well aware of some peoples disability and their not being able to wear a mask. If you read my post I mention 8 adults all in the shop together no social distancing and no masks, I was brought to their attention because of their loud shouting to each other, and each one a fit as a butchers dog they all were. A blatant disregard for others wellbeing.

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By *ensual massagerMan
over a year ago

Bolton

I won't shop at lidl anymore for that reason. Hopefully people will vote with their feet. No masks to lidl please. You can all enjoy your hard won freedoms together.

You're advocating losing rights and freedom

I'm all for justice and protecting peoples rights, but in a pandemic where people's lives are at risk the people who flought come decency are just fuckwits, end of story..

Not end of story at all unless you aren't replying.

Yes, people's lives are at risk but more are at rusk by bullying fuckwits who are trying to deny the disabled their rights in LAW.

So peoples rights are more important than peoples lives??? X"

I didn't say that and you're attempting to twist what I said.

People have rights. There are laws against discrimination.

Disability

Gender

Colour

Which rights do you suggest is next after taking away the rights of the disabled?

If no exemptions were allowed, I would agree with you and I always wear a mask or face covering as required. However, there are people who cannot wear a mask or face covering that is allowed in law. Accept it or start losing your rights

So which one do you prefer to remove after disability?

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By *ensual massagerMan
over a year ago

Bolton

I won't shop at lidl anymore for that reason. Hopefully people will vote with their feet. No masks to lidl please. You can all enjoy your hard won freedoms together.

You're advocating losing rights and freedom

I'm all for justice and protecting peoples rights, but in a pandemic where people's lives are at risk the people who flought come decency are just fuckwits, end of story..

Not end of story at all unless you aren't replying.

Yes, people's lives are at risk but more are at rusk by bullying fuckwits who are trying to deny the disabled their rights in LAW.

With that I can agree but just because someone looks fit as a butchers dog, doesn't mean they are but I certainly get your point. Personally, I'd have left and returned at a better time

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over a year ago

You don't have to physically prove you're exempt. There are no requirements to wear something or show proof of your disability or inability to wear a mask. It's totally discriminatory at it's finest.

People are intent to have rights removed and once something like that goes, there will be other rights lost then try and get them back

You're right that as it stands there is no legislation stating you must prove exemption. There should be though.

To say that it's discrimination is ridiculous. You have to prove exemption or entitlement to almost everything.

That is discrimination. If it's not, you say what it is.

You do NOT have to prove that you exempt. Read the law "

We will never agree. I could show you numerous examples where you have to prove exemption or entitlement but you won't see my point so doesn't seem worth the time

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By *parkle1974Woman
over a year ago

Leeds

"No reason why anyone can't wear a mask.

If you can't wear one over your nose and mouth then get a clear visor!

Waste of time and money "

Why? We wear them at work and do not have to wear the over the nose and mouth one as face (plus eyes) may I add are covered

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By *andyfloss2000Woman
over a year ago

ashford

I won't shop at lidl anymore for that reason. Hopefully people will vote with their feet. No masks to lidl please. You can all enjoy your hard won freedoms together.

You're advocating losing rights and freedom

I'm all for justice and protecting peoples rights, but in a pandemic where people's lives are at risk the people who flought come decency are just fuckwits, end of story..

Not end of story at all unless you aren't replying.

Yes, people's lives are at risk but more are at rusk by bullying fuckwits who are trying to deny the disabled their rights in LAW.

So peoples rights are more important than peoples lives??? X

I didn't say that and you're attempting to twist what I said.

People have rights. There are laws against discrimination.

Disability

Gender

Colour

Which rights do you suggest is next after taking away the rights of the disabled?

So which one do you prefer to remove after disability? "

As I said before no rights are being taken away whatsoever and shouldn't b !I'm simply saying that as supermarkets seem to b one of the biggest spreading grounds for covid then no mask or shield no entrance that's my opinion x

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By *DGF20Man
over a year ago

Dublin

"The non mask wearers are akin to barebackers.. selfish prats who are playing Russian Roulette with other people's lives... Exemption for genuine reason of course.. but if you cant wear a mask then make every effort to get shopping delivered or get friends or family or volunteers to shop for you... "

Comparing some cheap rags on your face with Russian roulette...Jesus how far some people can go...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Comparing some cheap rags on your face with Russian roulette...Jesus how far some people can go... "

Cheap? £15 for three. I'm well safe.

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By *ackformore100Man
over a year ago

Tin town

Firstly, everyone that can wear one should.

Just out of interest:

1. How do you know she wasn't exempt?

2. Do you think it is acceptable to have to share ANY medical information with private companies?

Nobody knows if she was exempt. But if she were then presumably it would have been much easier if her and her companion has calmly explained that.

You don't have to physically prove you're exempt. There are no requirements to wear something or show proof of your disability or inability to wear a mask. It's totally discriminatory at it's finest.

People are intent to have rights removed and once something like that goes, there will be other rights lost then try and get them back

Could always wear a star arm band ??

Nobody should have to wear anything to prove they're disabled "

No they shouldn't. Im not sure anyone is saying they should. We seem to be making extraordinarily heavy weather of something incredibly simple.

The premise is a very very simple one. Only shop when it's essential. When you shop wash your hands, wear a face mask and keep your distance... Because we are all trying to stop the virus spreading and killing people.

If you are unable to wear a face covering properly because it harms you. Then be prepared to be asked to explain that wearing a mask is harmful to you. That's all. Not difficult.

If anyone can explain why that is so difficult to do (other than they don't want to because some poorly written emergency legislation does not explicitly state it) Im very interested to have a thought provoking adult debate.

Were in a pandemic that is killing people so we have to try and do things better than we are to stop it spreading and stop it killing and maiming loved ones.

It's not a Competition about who can quote and interpret law most accurately. Success in this case is reducing the spread whilst people do essential shopping.

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By *ssex_tomMan
over a year ago

Chelmsford

To be fair ..

It's this simple..

Grow up.. wear a mask

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

So many people have made sacrifices during this pandemic, some are just unwilling to. "Rights" should not outweigh humanity or common decency. These rights were granted at a time when there was no pandemic. Nobody foresaw this and nobody should take advantage of this but some are. I was horrified at another poster on a different thread who said that they had worn a mask at the gym, but refused to wear one to go shopping because that was their right. Selfish people used to be just selfish people. Now, they're selfish potential killers. Remember, people still have the "right" to defend themselves from a potential physical threat. Please don't ever let it go that far

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By *parkle1974Woman
over a year ago

Leeds

People who refuse to wear a mask when there is absolutely no reason too should be made to go into a covid ward, maybe then they'd see the seriousness and the damage this virus causes.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

A lot of the people on this thread that are saying I don't agree that anybody should be exempt from wearing a mask and there right to be allowed to live their lives and do their shopping are not as important because people are dying, Have either said in other threads that they are anti lock down because people should be able allowed to use common sense or have defended their own rights to certain things.

This tread was about someone who refused to say if they were exempt and the police took action.

I dont have a problem with people being fined or asked to leave if they are not complying with the rules.

Entering a supermarket with an exemption badge or Langyard is something totally different and is not breaking any rules or laws.

This is a very small minority of people and should not be shamed or excluded from society just because people are scared.

If you were only allowed to comment on this thread if you had always worn a mask correctly, followed every single rule and guideline then I wonder how many would genuinely be able to comment?

It is easy to blame a tiny minority than look at our own behaviour.

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By *ackformore100Man
over a year ago

Tin town

"A lot of the people on this thread that are saying I don't agree that anybody should be exempt from wearing a mask and there right to be allowed to live their lives and do their shopping are not as important because people are dying, Have either said in other threads that they are anti lock down because people should be able allowed to use common sense or have defended their own rights to certain things.

This tread was about someone who refused to say if they were exempt and the police took action.

I dont have a problem with people being fined or asked to leave if they are not complying with the rules.

Entering a supermarket with an exemption badge or Langyard is something totally different and is not breaking any rules or laws.

This is a very small minority of people and should not be shamed or excluded from society just because people are scared.

If you were only allowed to comment on this thread if you had always worn a mask correctly, followed every single rule and guideline then I wonder how many would genuinely be able to comment?

It is easy to blame a tiny minority than look at our own behaviour. "

Not sure where you get a tiny minority from. In some cases it's a large minority. I guess it depends where abouts in the country you are and which brand of shop you're in as to whether they attempt to help you follow the rules or not. But I absolutely agree there's a propensity to blame others and in some cases very little self awareness.... "oh its OK for me to bend the rules.. I know I'm OK and have no symptoms"...

And yeah hand up.... I've broken the guidelines a few times... Mostly through forgetfulness or thoughtlessness... Once was conscious when I cuddled my 18 year old son who was distraught at the death of his grandmother.

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over a year ago

This tread was about someone who refused to say if they were exempt and the police took action.

I dont have a problem with people being fined or asked to leave if they are not complying with the rules.

Entering a supermarket with an exemption badge or Langyard is something totally different and is not breaking any rules or laws.

This is a very small minority of people and should not be shamed or excluded from society just because people are scared.

If you were only allowed to comment on this thread if you had always worn a mask correctly, followed every single rule and guideline then I wonder how many would genuinely be able to comment?

It is easy to blame a tiny minority than look at our own behaviour.

I'm not saying it's a tiny majority that don't wear a face covering all though it does seem to be the case where I live.

I'm saying its a tiny minority of people that genuinely can't wear one.

Won't wear one is not the same as cant.

Its the wont group that people should be annoyed about.

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By *parkle1974Woman
over a year ago

Leeds

This tread was about someone who refused to say if they were exempt and the police took action.

I dont have a problem with people being fined or asked to leave if they are not complying with the rules.

Entering a supermarket with an exemption badge or Langyard is something totally different and is not breaking any rules or laws.

This is a very small minority of people and should not be shamed or excluded from society just because people are scared.

If you were only allowed to comment on this thread if you had always worn a mask correctly, followed every single rule and guideline then I wonder how many would genuinely be able to comment?

It is easy to blame a tiny minority than look at our own behaviour. "

I have because of my job. I do not want to be responsible for passing anything onto my elderly patients or anyone for that matter.

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over a year ago

This tread was about someone who refused to say if they were exempt and the police took action.

I dont have a problem with people being fined or asked to leave if they are not complying with the rules.

Entering a supermarket with an exemption badge or Langyard is something totally different and is not breaking any rules or laws.

This is a very small minority of people and should not be shamed or excluded from society just because people are scared.

If you were only allowed to comment on this thread if you had always worn a mask correctly, followed every single rule and guideline then I wonder how many would genuinely be able to comment?

It is easy to blame a tiny minority than look at our own behaviour. "

The message to people is you must wear a mask (unless exempt) if you don't you could indirectly kill other people. Masks protect others not the wearer.

The virus doesn't care about exemptions and many other countries doing far better than UK have decide lives are more important than exemptions. That's why countries the world over are far stricter than the UK its no mask no entry period.

1610 people lost their lives in the last 24 hours in the UK.

How many of them was down to people not wearing masks in a supermarket regardless of the reason? I'll wager a few.

Everything in terms of the fight against covid is a balancing act. Open small businesses = more lives lost and so on. Cause and effect in action.

No matter how much you avoid the facts it all boils down to a very simple point.

If mask exempt people decide to still into supermarkets (which currently are very high transmission areas) because as it stands the rules allow it in the UK then the direct cost of exercising that right is that other people likely strangers to you will pay with either long covid or worse their life.

That can't be sugar coated its irrelevant that people can distance more as thats a separate mitigation that could also save lives. Don't use one bad practice to excuse another.

If you feel your right to enter supermarkets without a mask due to an exemption is more important than the lives it will cost then fair play just own it and say so.

I personally can't live with that and its clear many posters on here who have genuine exemptions or exempt children can't live with that either. So while the pandemic is raging out of control they choice not to exercise their right because the cost of doing so to others is the pay the ultimate price.