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"I'm seeing the same argument over and over on the forums that vaccination doesn't stop transmission so you can still pass the virus on. I do get the logic behind this, but doesn't it take like 2-5 days from the time of infection for you to become contagious? I get that you can still pick up virus particles on your hands etc and transfer them, but if you had been vaccinated, wouldn't your body have the time to fight off the infection before you become contagious? I genuinely don't know btw, so I'm asking any scientists/microbiologists out there. Thanks in advance. " You're right. For you to spread the virus it has to infect you seriously enough for you to produce large amounts of virus that you can the expel for others to get infected from. The vaccine prepares your immune system to fight off the virus the moment it sees it so it doesn't get a foothold. This is another example of government people management. They don't want the vaccinated to realise they can ignore most of the rules. The same thing with those who have caught it and recovered. They keep trying to make people think they are likely to catch it again despite all the evidence to the contrary. | |||
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"I'm seeing the same argument over and over on the forums that vaccination doesn't stop transmission so you can still pass the virus on. I do get the logic behind this, but doesn't it take like 2-5 days from the time of infection for you to become contagious? I get that you can still pick up virus particles on your hands etc and transfer them, but if you had been vaccinated, wouldn't your body have the time to fight off the infection before you become contagious? I genuinely don't know btw, so I'm asking any scientists/microbiologists out there. Thanks in advance. " Its media BS, if you're immune you cannot spread a virus | |||
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"I'm seeing the same argument over and over on the forums that vaccination doesn't stop transmission so you can still pass the virus on. I do get the logic behind this, but doesn't it take like 2-5 days from the time of infection for you to become contagious? I get that you can still pick up virus particles on your hands etc and transfer them, but if you had been vaccinated, wouldn't your body have the time to fight off the infection before you become contagious? I genuinely don't know btw, so I'm asking any scientists/microbiologists out there. Thanks in advance. Its media BS, if you're immune you cannot spread a virus" That's not the case. Immunity from the vaccines in use for this vaccine may not prevent viral shedding or individuals never getting infected. The research trials didn't produce evidence that there is 100% efficacy, nor that nobody got infected because the immune response was absolute in blocking an infection happening. The research data is fully available to review and it's worthwhile knowing how well you may be protected, once you're vaccinated. | |||
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"I think the thing for me with all these types of conversations about life after the vaccine, is that they are saying it is 70-95% effective in kick starting your body to build its defence. This you won’t know until you catch it, so still wise to assume (and has been advised until they know more about it) to keep your social distance from others and follow the rules, therefore not passing it on inadvertently Unfortunately too many are seeing this as the magic immediate ‘let’s get back to normal’ instant fix button "  and until more people are vaccinated ... if i had been vaccinated but could still pass it , if i pass it to a fellow vaccinated person whos immune system is also primed maybe no big deal, but if i pass it to unvaccinated ... uh oh
part of it might be ass covering cause they just don’t have the data yet but the logic is sound | |||
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"I'm seeing the same argument over and over on the forums that vaccination doesn't stop transmission so you can still pass the virus on. I do get the logic behind this, but doesn't it take like 2-5 days from the time of infection for you to become contagious? I get that you can still pick up virus particles on your hands etc and transfer them, but if you had been vaccinated, wouldn't your body have the time to fight off the infection before you become contagious? I genuinely don't know btw, so I'm asking any scientists/microbiologists out there. Thanks in advance. Its media BS, if you're immune you cannot spread a virus That's not the case. Immunity from the vaccines in use for this vaccine may not prevent viral shedding or individuals never getting infected. The research trials didn't produce evidence that there is 100% efficacy, nor that nobody got infected because the immune response was absolute in blocking an infection happening. The research data is fully available to review and it's worthwhile knowing how well you may be protected, once you're vaccinated. " . At some point after vaccination when the mortality rate drops significantly people will make their own decisions to start living as near a normal life again as possible again whatever the arguments. | |||
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"I think the thing for me with all these types of conversations about life after the vaccine, is that they are saying it is 70-95% effective in kick starting your body to build its defence. This you won’t know until you catch it, so still wise to assume (and has been advised until they know more about it) to keep your social distance from others and follow the rules, therefore not passing it on inadvertently Unfortunately too many are seeing this as the magic immediate ‘let’s get back to normal’ instant fix button and until more people are vaccinated ... if i had been vaccinated but could still pass it , if i pass it to a fellow vaccinated person whos immune system is also primed maybe no big deal, but if i pass it to unvaccinated ... uh oh
part of it might be ass covering cause they just don’t have the data yet but the logic is sound "Just that they don’t have the data yet so yes a bit of arse covering and rightly so, still much to be learnt about the virus | |||
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"I'm seeing the same argument over and over on the forums that vaccination doesn't stop transmission so you can still pass the virus on. I do get the logic behind this, but doesn't it take like 2-5 days from the time of infection for you to become contagious? I get that you can still pick up virus particles on your hands etc and transfer them, but if you had been vaccinated, wouldn't your body have the time to fight off the infection before you become contagious? I genuinely don't know btw, so I'm asking any scientists/microbiologists out there. Thanks in advance. Its media BS, if you're immune you cannot spread a virus That's not the case. Immunity from the vaccines in use for this vaccine may not prevent viral shedding or individuals never getting infected. The research trials didn't produce evidence that there is 100% efficacy, nor that nobody got infected because the immune response was absolute in blocking an infection happening. The research data is fully available to review and it's worthwhile knowing how well you may be protected, once you're vaccinated. . At some point after vaccination when the mortality rate drops significantly people will make their own decisions to start living as near a normal life again as possible again whatever the arguments." People already are. "I'll decide for myself" is part of the reason we're in this mess. | |||
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"I'm seeing the same argument over and over on the forums that vaccination doesn't stop transmission so you can still pass the virus on. I do get the logic behind this, but doesn't it take like 2-5 days from the time of infection for you to become contagious? I get that you can still pick up virus particles on your hands etc and transfer them, but if you had been vaccinated, wouldn't your body have the time to fight off the infection before you become contagious? I genuinely don't know btw, so I'm asking any scientists/microbiologists out there. Thanks in advance. Its media BS, if you're immune you cannot spread a virus That's not the case. Immunity from the vaccines in use for this vaccine may not prevent viral shedding or individuals never getting infected. The research trials didn't produce evidence that there is 100% efficacy, nor that nobody got infected because the immune response was absolute in blocking an infection happening. The research data is fully available to review and it's worthwhile knowing how well you may be protected, once you're vaccinated. . At some point after vaccination when the mortality rate drops significantly people will make their own decisions to start living as near a normal life again as possible again whatever the arguments. People already are. "I'll decide for myself" is part of the reason we're in this mess." . I knew it. There is always some sanctimonious twat ready to blame the “other people”. A guy on fabguys did exactly that yesterday till someone pointed out he had been trying to meet in october. Love it. | |||
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"I'm seeing the same argument over and over on the forums that vaccination doesn't stop transmission so you can still pass the virus on. I do get the logic behind this, but doesn't it take like 2-5 days from the time of infection for you to become contagious? I get that you can still pick up virus particles on your hands etc and transfer them, but if you had been vaccinated, wouldn't your body have the time to fight off the infection before you become contagious? I genuinely don't know btw, so I'm asking any scientists/microbiologists out there. Thanks in advance. Its media BS, if you're immune you cannot spread a virus That's not the case. Immunity from the vaccines in use for this vaccine may not prevent viral shedding or individuals never getting infected. The research trials didn't produce evidence that there is 100% efficacy, nor that nobody got infected because the immune response was absolute in blocking an infection happening. The research data is fully available to review and it's worthwhile knowing how well you may be protected, once you're vaccinated. . At some point after vaccination when the mortality rate drops significantly people will make their own decisions to start living as near a normal life again as possible again whatever the arguments. People already are. "I'll decide for myself" is part of the reason we're in this mess.. I knew it. There is always some sanctimonious twat ready to blame the “other people”. A guy on fabguys did exactly that yesterday till someone pointed out he had been trying to meet in october. Love it. " ironically your post proves her point ... you’ve effectively said don’t call them out because everyone including probably you are doing it | |||
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"I'm seeing the same argument over and over on the forums that vaccination doesn't stop transmission so you can still pass the virus on. I do get the logic behind this, but doesn't it take like 2-5 days from the time of infection for you to become contagious? I get that you can still pick up virus particles on your hands etc and transfer them, but if you had been vaccinated, wouldn't your body have the time to fight off the infection before you become contagious? I genuinely don't know btw, so I'm asking any scientists/microbiologists out there. Thanks in advance. Its media BS, if you're immune you cannot spread a virus That's not the case. Immunity from the vaccines in use for this vaccine may not prevent viral shedding or individuals never getting infected. The research trials didn't produce evidence that there is 100% efficacy, nor that nobody got infected because the immune response was absolute in blocking an infection happening. The research data is fully available to review and it's worthwhile knowing how well you may be protected, once you're vaccinated. . At some point after vaccination when the mortality rate drops significantly people will make their own decisions to start living as near a normal life again as possible again whatever the arguments. People already are. "I'll decide for myself" is part of the reason we're in this mess.. I knew it. There is always some sanctimonious twat ready to blame the “other people”. A guy on fabguys did exactly that yesterday till someone pointed out he had been trying to meet in october. Love it. " 
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I'm over and above legal requirements for suppressing the virus.
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"I'm seeing the same argument over and over on the forums that vaccination doesn't stop transmission so you can still pass the virus on. I do get the logic behind this, but doesn't it take like 2-5 days from the time of infection for you to become contagious? I get that you can still pick up virus particles on your hands etc and transfer them, but if you had been vaccinated, wouldn't your body have the time to fight off the infection before you become contagious? I genuinely don't know btw, so I'm asking any scientists/microbiologists out there. Thanks in advance. Its media BS, if you're immune you cannot spread a virus That's not the case. Immunity from the vaccines in use for this vaccine may not prevent viral shedding or individuals never getting infected. The research trials didn't produce evidence that there is 100% efficacy, nor that nobody got infected because the immune response was absolute in blocking an infection happening. The research data is fully available to review and it's worthwhile knowing how well you may be protected, once you're vaccinated. . At some point after vaccination when the mortality rate drops significantly people will make their own decisions to start living as near a normal life again as possible again whatever the arguments. People already are. "I'll decide for myself" is part of the reason we're in this mess.. I knew it. There is always some sanctimonious twat ready to blame the “other people”. A guy on fabguys did exactly that yesterday till someone pointed out he had been trying to meet in october. Love it. ironically your post proves her point ... you’ve effectively said don’t call them out because everyone including probably you are doing it I love hearing this “it’s probably you but it’s definitely not me” nonsense. Sanctimonious twats just can’t help themselves. It’s you, it’s you. It’s not me ." | |||
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"where have i said its not me? ive frequently said nobody is perfect (and even “perfect” people can pass it by accident) all we can each do is our bit and try our best to minimise our interaction as much as possible oh and it is possible for people who were not taking things seriously enough to have had their eyes opened and change their behaviour (sadly usually because someone close to them was badly impacted) ... maybe thats what happened with your fab guys man " Solidarity. Personally I'm doing everything I can to limit my risk to others. I'm sure I'm still a risk to others - I'm breathing - but I'm doing all I can. I think a lot of people are. (And some people really aren't) | |||
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"I'm seeing the same argument over and over on the forums that vaccination doesn't stop transmission so you can still pass the virus on. I do get the logic behind this, but doesn't it take like 2-5 days from the time of infection for you to become contagious? I get that you can still pick up virus particles on your hands etc and transfer them, but if you had been vaccinated, wouldn't your body have the time to fight off the infection before you become contagious? I genuinely don't know btw, so I'm asking any scientists/microbiologists out there. Thanks in advance. You're right. For you to spread the virus it has to infect you seriously enough for you to produce large amounts of virus that you can the expel for others to get infected from. The vaccine prepares your immune system to fight off the virus the moment it sees it so it doesn't get a foothold. This is another example of government people management. They don't want the vaccinated to realise they can ignore most of the rules. The same thing with those who have caught it and recovered. They keep trying to make people think they are likely to catch it again despite all the evidence to the contrary." | |||
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"I'm seeing the same argument over and over on the forums that vaccination doesn't stop transmission so you can still pass the virus on. I do get the logic behind this, but doesn't it take like 2-5 days from the time of infection for you to become contagious? I get that you can still pick up virus particles on your hands etc and transfer them, but if you had been vaccinated, wouldn't your body have the time to fight off the infection before you become contagious? I genuinely don't know btw, so I'm asking any scientists/microbiologists out there. Thanks in advance. Its media BS, if you're immune you cannot spread a virus That's not the case. Immunity from the vaccines in use for this vaccine may not prevent viral shedding or individuals never getting infected. The research trials didn't produce evidence that there is 100% efficacy, nor that nobody got infected because the immune response was absolute in blocking an infection happening. The research data is fully available to review and it's worthwhile knowing how well you may be protected, once you're vaccinated. " Then it’s not a vaccine but merely a treatment. By definition, someone immune can neither catch nor spread it. | |||
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"I'm seeing the same argument over and over on the forums that vaccination doesn't stop transmission so you can still pass the virus on. I do get the logic behind this, but doesn't it take like 2-5 days from the time of infection for you to become contagious? I get that you can still pick up virus particles on your hands etc and transfer them, but if you had been vaccinated, wouldn't your body have the time to fight off the infection before you become contagious? I genuinely don't know btw, so I'm asking any scientists/microbiologists out there. Thanks in advance. Its media BS, if you're immune you cannot spread a virus" "...Its media BS, if you're immune you cannot spread a virus....". --------------------------- I wouldn't call it media BS. We don't know (yet) whether being vaccinated stops transmission. | |||
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"This is a good read, it’s in Spanish. https://www.elconfidencial.com/tecnologia/2021-01-19/coronavirus-covid-israel-vacuna-pfizer-biontech_2912299/" Presuming people will use the translate function? I can write a summary in English later when I've got time but it's muy interesante  | |||
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"I'm seeing the same argument over and over on the forums that vaccination doesn't stop transmission so you can still pass the virus on. I do get the logic behind this, but doesn't it take like 2-5 days from the time of infection for you to become contagious? I get that you can still pick up virus particles on your hands etc and transfer them, but if you had been vaccinated, wouldn't your body have the time to fight off the infection before you become contagious? I genuinely don't know btw, so I'm asking any scientists/microbiologists out there. Thanks in advance. Its media BS, if you're immune you cannot spread a virus "...Its media BS, if you're immune you cannot spread a virus....". --------------------------- I wouldn't call it media BS. We don't know (yet) whether being vaccinated stops transmission." They do know, they would just prefer it to remain uncertain, I presume to discourage those either vaccinated or recovered from an infection from ignoring all the rules and causing havoc. If you are immune, you cannot catch it. To spread it, you have to have it. If it doesn’t, it’s not a vaccine. | |||
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"I'm seeing the same argument over and over on the forums that vaccination doesn't stop transmission so you can still pass the virus on. I do get the logic behind this, but doesn't it take like 2-5 days from the time of infection for you to become contagious? I get that you can still pick up virus particles on your hands etc and transfer them, but if you had been vaccinated, wouldn't your body have the time to fight off the infection before you become contagious? I genuinely don't know btw, so I'm asking any scientists/microbiologists out there. Thanks in advance. Its media BS, if you're immune you cannot spread a virus "...Its media BS, if you're immune you cannot spread a virus....". --------------------------- I wouldn't call it media BS. We don't know (yet) whether being vaccinated stops transmission. They do know, they would just prefer it to remain uncertain, I presume to discourage those either vaccinated or recovered from an infection from ignoring all the rules and causing havoc. If you are immune, you cannot catch it. To spread it, you have to have it. If it doesn’t, it’s not a vaccine." What you have said above may be true and correct. However I think part of the reason why caution is being exercised: - is because most people have only received one dose of the vaccine rather than two. So best to wait till everyone concern is fully protected by the second dose. Also we don't know (yet) how well the vaccine will cope with new strains and what level of protection it will provide. The vaccine roll-out is of great help; but best to exercise caution till we clear up all the 'unknowns' | |||
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"I'm seeing the same argument over and over on the forums that vaccination doesn't stop transmission so you can still pass the virus on. I do get the logic behind this, but doesn't it take like 2-5 days from the time of infection for you to become contagious? I get that you can still pick up virus particles on your hands etc and transfer them, but if you had been vaccinated, wouldn't your body have the time to fight off the infection before you become contagious? I genuinely don't know btw, so I'm asking any scientists/microbiologists out there. Thanks in advance. Its media BS, if you're immune you cannot spread a virus "...Its media BS, if you're immune you cannot spread a virus....". --------------------------- I wouldn't call it media BS. We don't know (yet) whether being vaccinated stops transmission. They do know, they would just prefer it to remain uncertain, I presume to discourage those either vaccinated or recovered from an infection from ignoring all the rules and causing havoc. If you are immune, you cannot catch it. To spread it, you have to have it. If it doesn’t, it’s not a vaccine. What you have said above may be true and correct. However I think part of the reason why caution is being exercised: - is because most people have only received one dose of the vaccine rather than two. So best to wait till everyone concern is fully protected by the second dose. Also we don't know (yet) how well the vaccine will cope with new strains and what level of protection it will provide. The vaccine roll-out is of great help; but best to exercise caution till we clear up all the 'unknowns'" My sister had her first dose over two weeks ago but just tested positive despite not feeling unwell. She is currently testing bi weekly using lateral flow kit as mandated by the NHS where she works. Was negative Friday and positive today. Completely unexpected. She actually wouldn't have believed it if it wasn't for her hubby and daughter getting pcr test yesterday which came back positive today. To say she's disappointed the vaccine hasn't protected her would be an understatement! | |||
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"I'm seeing the same argument over and over on the forums that vaccination doesn't stop transmission so you can still pass the virus on. I do get the logic behind this, but doesn't it take like 2-5 days from the time of infection for you to become contagious? I get that you can still pick up virus particles on your hands etc and transfer them, but if you had been vaccinated, wouldn't your body have the time to fight off the infection before you become contagious? I genuinely don't know btw, so I'm asking any scientists/microbiologists out there. Thanks in advance. Its media BS, if you're immune you cannot spread a virus "...Its media BS, if you're immune you cannot spread a virus....". --------------------------- I wouldn't call it media BS. We don't know (yet) whether being vaccinated stops transmission. They do know, they would just prefer it to remain uncertain, I presume to discourage those either vaccinated or recovered from an infection from ignoring all the rules and causing havoc. If you are immune, you cannot catch it. To spread it, you have to have it. If it doesn’t, it’s not a vaccine. What you have said above may be true and correct. However I think part of the reason why caution is being exercised: - is because most people have only received one dose of the vaccine rather than two. So best to wait till everyone concern is fully protected by the second dose. Also we don't know (yet) how well the vaccine will cope with new strains and what level of protection it will provide. The vaccine roll-out is of great help; but best to exercise caution till we clear up all the 'unknowns' My sister had her first dose over two weeks ago but just tested positive despite not feeling unwell. She is currently testing bi weekly using lateral flow kit as mandated by the NHS where she works. Was negative Friday and positive today. Completely unexpected. She actually wouldn't have believed it if it wasn't for her hubby and daughter getting pcr test yesterday which came back positive today. To say she's disappointed the vaccine hasn't protected her would be an understatement!" Depending on which vaccine she had, it's not especially surprising. Both vaccines are two dose regimens and no matter what the Government says or tries to conjure up, two doses are required for optimal immunity. Also, no-one ever said having the vaccine would stop people testing positive. The vaccine is designed to reduce the severity of any symptoms/results in asymptomatic infection and therefore reduces the burden on the healthcare services. Who knows? If she'd not had the vaccine, maybe your sister would have had symptoms (rather than being asymptomatic) or may even have become severely ill. If she's positive, but asymptomatic, it's doing what it needs to do. | |||
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"I'm seeing the same argument over and over on the forums that vaccination doesn't stop transmission so you can still pass the virus on. I do get the logic behind this, but doesn't it take like 2-5 days from the time of infection for you to become contagious? I get that you can still pick up virus particles on your hands etc and transfer them, but if you had been vaccinated, wouldn't your body have the time to fight off the infection before you become contagious? I genuinely don't know btw, so I'm asking any scientists/microbiologists out there. Thanks in advance. You're right. For you to spread the virus it has to infect you seriously enough for you to produce large amounts of virus that you can the expel for others to get infected from. The vaccine prepares your immune system to fight off the virus the moment it sees it so it doesn't get a foothold. This is another example of government people management. They don't want the vaccinated to realise they can ignore most of the rules. The same thing with those who have caught it and recovered. They keep trying to make people think they are likely to catch it again despite all the evidence to the contrary." You can catch it again! My wife tested positive back in March last year and was quite ill. In December she had the classic COVID symptoms so got another test which was positive, fortunately the second time she wasn’t so ill but would still have been capable of passing the infection on if she hadn’t isolated. | |||
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"I'm seeing the same argument over and over on the forums that vaccination doesn't stop transmission so you can still pass the virus on. I do get the logic behind this, but doesn't it take like 2-5 days from the time of infection for you to become contagious? I get that you can still pick up virus particles on your hands etc and transfer them, but if you had been vaccinated, wouldn't your body have the time to fight off the infection before you become contagious? I genuinely don't know btw, so I'm asking any scientists/microbiologists out there. Thanks in advance. Its media BS, if you're immune you cannot spread a virus "...Its media BS, if you're immune you cannot spread a virus....". --------------------------- I wouldn't call it media BS. We don't know (yet) whether being vaccinated stops transmission. They do know, they would just prefer it to remain uncertain, I presume to discourage those either vaccinated or recovered from an infection from ignoring all the rules and causing havoc. If you are immune, you cannot catch it. To spread it, you have to have it. If it doesn’t, it’s not a vaccine. What you have said above may be true and correct. However I think part of the reason why caution is being exercised: - is because most people have only received one dose of the vaccine rather than two. So best to wait till everyone concern is fully protected by the second dose. Also we don't know (yet) how well the vaccine will cope with new strains and what level of protection it will provide. The vaccine roll-out is of great help; but best to exercise caution till we clear up all the 'unknowns' My sister had her first dose over two weeks ago but just tested positive despite not feeling unwell. She is currently testing bi weekly using lateral flow kit as mandated by the NHS where she works. Was negative Friday and positive today. Completely unexpected. She actually wouldn't have believed it if it wasn't for her hubby and daughter getting pcr test yesterday which came back positive today. To say she's disappointed the vaccine hasn't protected her would be an understatement!" “...... To say she's disappointed the vaccine hasn't protected her would be an understatement!...” ———————————— Sorry about your sister’s disappointment. I feel for her. As time goes on, more people will face similar disappointments in one form or the other. And this is why I say we should tread cautiously until we clear up all the ‘unknowns’ about the virus and the vaccine. | |||
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"I'm seeing the same argument over and over on the forums that vaccination doesn't stop transmission so you can still pass the virus on. I do get the logic behind this, but doesn't it take like 2-5 days from the time of infection for you to become contagious? I get that you can still pick up virus particles on your hands etc and transfer them, but if you had been vaccinated, wouldn't your body have the time to fight off the infection before you become contagious? I genuinely don't know btw, so I'm asking any scientists/microbiologists out there. Thanks in advance. Its media BS, if you're immune you cannot spread a virus "...Its media BS, if you're immune you cannot spread a virus....". --------------------------- I wouldn't call it media BS. We don't know (yet) whether being vaccinated stops transmission. They do know, they would just prefer it to remain uncertain, I presume to discourage those either vaccinated or recovered from an infection from ignoring all the rules and causing havoc. If you are immune, you cannot catch it. To spread it, you have to have it. If it doesn’t, it’s not a vaccine. What you have said above may be true and correct. However I think part of the reason why caution is being exercised: - is because most people have only received one dose of the vaccine rather than two. So best to wait till everyone concern is fully protected by the second dose. Also we don't know (yet) how well the vaccine will cope with new strains and what level of protection it will provide. The vaccine roll-out is of great help; but best to exercise caution till we clear up all the 'unknowns' My sister had her first dose over two weeks ago but just tested positive despite not feeling unwell. She is currently testing bi weekly using lateral flow kit as mandated by the NHS where she works. Was negative Friday and positive today. Completely unexpected. She actually wouldn't have believed it if it wasn't for her hubby and daughter getting pcr test yesterday which came back positive today. To say she's disappointed the vaccine hasn't protected her would be an understatement! Depending on which vaccine she had, it's not especially surprising. Both vaccines are two dose regimens and no matter what the Government says or tries to conjure up, two doses are required for optimal immunity. Also, no-one ever said having the vaccine would stop people testing positive. The vaccine is designed to reduce the severity of any symptoms/results in asymptomatic infection and therefore reduces the burden on the healthcare services. Who knows? If she'd not had the vaccine, maybe your sister would have had symptoms (rather than being asymptomatic) or may even have become severely ill. If she's positive, but asymptomatic, it's doing what it needs to do." Very good points | |||
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