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"I maybe wrong but I think the vaccine costs £3... this gives them almost a tenner per jab. Your thoughts on if this is in the spirit of things during a emergency?" Wonder what formula they used to arrive at 12.58? Seems a bit toppy for me.. I'd have thought 4 or 5 quid per Jab would more than cover their costs, cleaning, staff costs, with a big wodge of profit too. | |||
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"Their staff and training and organisation/ planning of the vaccination areas should be given away for free. " So who pays for those of us that are working, GP surgeries are small, independent businesses with limited income, we get paid for flu, why would we not be paid for this vaccine? We are all working every day to deliver this, including weekends... | |||
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"I maybe wrong but I think the vaccine costs £3... this gives them almost a tenner per jab. Your thoughts on if this is in the spirit of things during a emergency? Wonder what formula they used to arrive at 12.58? Seems a bit toppy for me.. I'd have thought 4 or 5 quid per Jab would more than cover their costs, cleaning, staff costs, with a big wodge of profit too. " We don't even know the costs. It's estimated to be between £3-4 per dose. And I believe an agreement that AZ can get 20% on top of that. That takes you to somewhere around a fiver before it even gets to a point of administration | |||
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"Imagine how many retired nurses they could get to give jabs if they paid the nurses half the money." They'd still need the infrastructure in place to safely deliver the inoculation. | |||
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"Their staff and training and organisation/ planning of the vaccination areas should be given away for free. " Really? Why? | |||
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"Their staff and training and organisation/ planning of the vaccination areas should be given away for free. Really? Why?" I think this may have been a little tongue in cheek, maybe  | |||
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"Their staff and training and organisation/ planning of the vaccination areas should be given away for free. Really? Why? I think this may have been a little tongue in cheek, maybe "You may be right, but I know people who actually think like this!   | |||
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"Their staff and training and organisation/ planning of the vaccination areas should be given away for free. Really? Why? I think this may have been a little tongue in cheek, maybe
You may be right, but I know people who actually think like this! "Fair point! 
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"Their staff and training and organisation/ planning of the vaccination areas should be given away for free. " So would it be fair by your thinking that the staff get told "As we are not getting paid any money for providing this service, you won't be paid any wages whilst you are on "jab duty"!"? | |||
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"I maybe wrong but I think the vaccine costs £3... this gives them almost a tenner per jab. Your thoughts on if this is in the spirit of things during a emergency?" What you only take into account with the £3 is the actual cost of the jab itself. That jab doesn’t just fly into someone’s arm on it’s own, they have to trained qualified people to administer it. They have other costs such as storage, transportation etc. So £10-12 doesn’t seem too high in my opinion when you factor in additional costs. | |||
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"Their staff and training and organisation/ planning of the vaccination areas should be given away for free. So would it be fair by your thinking that the staff get told "As we are not getting paid any money for providing this service, you won't be paid any wages whilst you are on "jab duty"!"?" Yes that's exactly what I'm saying. | |||
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"Their staff and training and organisation/ planning of the vaccination areas should be given away for free. Really? Why? I think this may have been a little tongue in cheek, maybe
You may be right, but I know people who actually think like this!
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It was tongue in cheek. X"Apologies but Covid denyial, conspiracy theory riven Trumpesque world has removed the irony/sarcasm antennae from t'internet! | |||
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"Unfortunately Both Pharmacies and GP's are run as businesses and both need to be incentivised to provide such services.. It will be the same with businesses like Asda as they are offering vaccines through their pharmacies I believe GPs are being paid the same if not more..." We are being paid the same, but only after the second dose, so 3 months of staffing and overheads before we see a return, holding a 12 hour clinic on Saturday | |||
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"Their staff and training and organisation/ planning of the vaccination areas should be given away for free. Really? Why? I think this may have been a little tongue in cheek, maybe
You may be right, but I know people who actually think like this!
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It was tongue in cheek. X
Apologies but Covid denyial, conspiracy theory riven Trumpesque world has removed the irony/sarcasm antennae from t'internet! "It's ok, I take full responsibility for my sarcasm. I'm aware that some people think that way for real.
I unfortunately know some Trump supporters. | |||
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"Their staff and training and organisation/ planning of the vaccination areas should be given away for free. So would it be fair by your thinking that the staff get told "As we are not getting paid any money for providing this service, you won't be paid any wages whilst you are on "jab duty"!"? Yes that's exactly what I'm saying. "You say on another post you accept your sarcasm, then please accept when people don't get your sarcasm There are too many idiot comments about the virus and anything that goes with it, they won't know if yours is one of them | |||
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"I maybe wrong but I think the vaccine costs £3... this gives them almost a tenner per jab. Your thoughts on if this is in the spirit of things during a emergency?" GPs are given the same per vaccine given. I think there is too much thinking that things are free, or often related to what we earn ourselves, overhead costs, admin costs, tax, NI are often not factored in. For someone to employ you they need to be earning 3-4x your gross salary at bottom line to justify it. This is why cash in hand is so common. Something no one mentioned in the UK patriotic fraud post. | |||
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"I don't know the ins and outs but I suppose they have to cover costs and make some money. Now I suppose if we thought of the spirit of things we would all do everything for free, but costs are normally involved. However there are lots of firm who have benefited from the pandemic without thinking of how they can help the country out, for example , newly opened firms that got handed multi million contracts for PPE"  | |||
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"I don't know the ins and outs but I suppose they have to cover costs and make some money. Now I suppose if we thought of the spirit of things we would all do everything for free, but costs are normally involved. However there are lots of firm who have benefited from the pandemic without thinking of how they can help the country out, for example , newly opened firms that got handed multi million contracts for PPE" I agree with this and I don't have a problem with companies making a small profit as long as they can deliver what they have promised. | |||
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"I maybe wrong but I think the vaccine costs £3... this gives them almost a tenner per jab. Your thoughts on if this is in the spirit of things during a emergency? GPs are given the same per vaccine given. I think there is too much thinking that things are free, or often related to what we earn ourselves, overhead costs, admin costs, tax, NI are often not factored in. For someone to employ you they need to be earning 3-4x your gross salary at bottom line to justify it. This is why cash in hand is so common. Something no one mentioned in the UK patriotic fraud post." Like the flu jab, it is free to the general public, so the costs to those of us that deliver it go unseen. We vaccinated 80% of our over 65s for flu in just 3 Saturdays, if we had the AZ vaccine, we could do the same, supply is the issue atm | |||
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"Their staff and training and organisation/ planning of the vaccination areas should be given away for free. " There should be a public tendering process for all government contracts so the price price can be found and the taxpayer gets the best deal. | |||
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"I maybe wrong but I think the vaccine costs £3... this gives them almost a tenner per jab. Your thoughts on if this is in the spirit of things during a emergency? GPs are given the same per vaccine given. I think there is too much thinking that things are free, or often related to what we earn ourselves, overhead costs, admin costs, tax, NI are often not factored in. For someone to employ you they need to be earning 3-4x your gross salary at bottom line to justify it. This is why cash in hand is so common. Something no one mentioned in the UK patriotic fraud post. Like the flu jab, it is free to the general public, so the costs to those of us that deliver it go unseen. We vaccinated 80% of our over 65s for flu in just 3 Saturdays, if we had the AZ vaccine, we could do the same, supply is the issue atm" The flu jab is different because it isn't free for everybody and some have to pay they want it. | |||
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"I don't know the ins and outs but I suppose they have to cover costs and make some money. Now I suppose if we thought of the spirit of things we would all do everything for free, but costs are normally involved. However there are lots of firm who have benefited from the pandemic without thinking of how they can help the country out, for example , newly opened firms that got handed multi million contracts for PPE" I think they were a new "company" for that very purpose and for tax reasons, but under another larger company that had the network, distribution, transport and business accounting for what was required, so not a new company in reality. | |||
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"One study estimates that the tax illegitimately avoided by Alliance Boots since 2007 amounts to £1.21 billion – enough to pay for 85,000 new nurses for one year, or to cover the prescription charges for the whole of England for almost three years. At the same time, Boots is expanding its service contracts in the NHS." That may or not be so, but there are still costs associated with the vaccination of a whole nation of people within a targeted time frame, which are beyond the cost of the drug solely. | |||
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"Their staff and training and organisation/ planning of the vaccination areas should be given away for free. There should be a public tendering process for all government contracts so the price price can be found and the taxpayer gets the best deal." That hasn't happened during the pandemic | |||
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"Their staff and training and organisation/ planning of the vaccination areas should be given away for free. There should be a public tendering process for all government contracts so the price price can be found and the taxpayer gets the best deal." Definitely. | |||
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"Their staff and training and organisation/ planning of the vaccination areas should be given away for free. There should be a public tendering process for all government contracts so the price price can be found and the taxpayer gets the best deal." I don't disagree with this at all but there is a lot more to it than price. | |||
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"Well "We're all in it together " catch phrase rings a tad "Hollow" when you see & read about the mind boggling amounts handed out to private firms ?? and we are told as mere mortals to help out our neighbors for the common good ?? yet different rules apply to the our over lords and their backers it seems ??" I think its fair to say some people have done very well out of the pandemic. | |||
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"Well "We're all in it together " catch phrase rings a tad "Hollow" when you see & read about the mind boggling amounts handed out to private firms ?? and we are told as mere mortals to help out our neighbors for the common good ?? yet different rules apply to the our over lords and their backers it seems ??" Hopefully the overlords and their backers help out their neighbours when they get home from work! | |||
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"I don't know the ins and outs but I suppose they have to cover costs and make some money. Now I suppose if we thought of the spirit of things we would all do everything for free, but costs are normally involved. However there are lots of firm who have benefited from the pandemic without thinking of how they can help the country out, for example , newly opened firms that got handed multi million contracts for PPE" That's one firm. Define lots. We need to be careful not to jump on the bandwagon here. We seem to have developed a sensitivity that anyone who turns a profit is some kind of charlatan. Be careful what we wish for. If nobody makes a profit then jobs disappear. And that's in nobody's interest. | |||
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"I don't know the ins and outs but I suppose they have to cover costs and make some money. Now I suppose if we thought of the spirit of things we would all do everything for free, but costs are normally involved. However there are lots of firm who have benefited from the pandemic without thinking of how they can help the country out, for example , newly opened firms that got handed multi million contracts for PPE That's one firm. Define lots. We need to be careful not to jump on the bandwagon here. We seem to have developed a sensitivity that anyone who turns a profit is some kind of charlatan. Be careful what we wish for. If nobody makes a profit then jobs disappear. And that's in nobody's interest. " Google the article The ny times did. It's all on there. | |||
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"Their staff and training and organisation/ planning of the vaccination areas should be given away for free. There should be a public tendering process for all government contracts so the price price can be found and the taxpayer gets the best deal." I think there is in normal times. However a tender process takes time and if we did that we can kiss goodbye to getting the vaccine rolled out this year. As has been mentioned in previous threads however... All contracts issued that have had to bypass tender should be subject to review for suitability and fairness in the next few years. | |||
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(From reputable lead GP’s from PCN’s and those with their own practices) | |||
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"I don't know the ins and outs but I suppose they have to cover costs and make some money. Now I suppose if we thought of the spirit of things we would all do everything for free, but costs are normally involved. However there are lots of firm who have benefited from the pandemic without thinking of how they can help the country out, for example , newly opened firms that got handed multi million contracts for PPE That's one firm. Define lots. We need to be careful not to jump on the bandwagon here. We seem to have developed a sensitivity that anyone who turns a profit is some kind of charlatan. Be careful what we wish for. If nobody makes a profit then jobs disappear. And that's in nobody's interest. " It isn't just one firm who has benefited. Lots of firms have even ones who didn't set up a new company. No bandwagon jumping, just facts | |||
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"Their staff and training and organisation/ planning of the vaccination areas should be given away for free. There should be a public tendering process for all government contracts so the price price can be found and the taxpayer gets the best deal. " There normally is, but they changed it as we were in a pandemic and didn't have time to go through that process | |||
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"Their staff and training and organisation/ planning of the vaccination areas should be given away for free. There should be a public tendering process for all government contracts so the price price can be found and the taxpayer gets the best deal. There normally is, but they changed it as we were in a pandemic and didn't have time to go through that process" Everything is out there in the public domain what's happened. You either choose to believe it or you dont. You would like to think there would be some sort of investigation when the world gets back to normal,but I wouldnt hold my breath. | |||
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"I maybe wrong but I think the vaccine costs £3... this gives them almost a tenner per jab. Your thoughts on if this is in the spirit of things during a emergency?" Could the Armed forces not get involved and help with vaccinations ? | |||
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"I maybe wrong but I think the vaccine costs £3... this gives them almost a tenner per jab. Your thoughts on if this is in the spirit of things during a emergency?" GPs are being paid an extra 90 per day for doing their jobs while practice nurses get nothing extra | |||
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"I maybe wrong but I think the vaccine costs £3... this gives them almost a tenner per jab. Your thoughts on if this is in the spirit of things during a emergency? GPs are being paid an extra 90 per day for doing their jobs while practice nurses get nothing extra" GP practises are being paid per vaccination, the same as pharmacies, boots and the supermarkets. None of our local GP’s are paying extra to themselves or staff other than the extra hours they work.  | |||
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"Their staff and training and organisation/ planning of the vaccination areas should be given away for free. So would it be fair by your thinking that the staff get told "As we are not getting paid any money for providing this service, you won't be paid any wages whilst you are on "jab duty"!"? Yes that's exactly what I'm saying.
You say on another post you accept your sarcasm, then please accept when people don't get your sarcasm
There are too many idiot comments about the virus and anything that goes with it, they won't know if yours is one of them"Fair point | |||
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"Their staff and training and organisation/ planning of the vaccination areas should be given away for free. There should be a public tendering process for all government contracts so the price price can be found and the taxpayer gets the best deal. There normally is, but they changed it as we were in a pandemic and didn't have time to go through that process Everything is out there in the public domain what's happened. You either choose to believe it or you dont. You would like to think there would be some sort of investigation when the world gets back to normal,but I wouldnt hold my breath."
I can understand the thought of we need to work faster here so change things, I also get that people need to make a profit when trying to run a business but I don't get the thought train of lets see if the ice cream man who sold me a 99 years ago needs a contract for PPE worth millions ( poetic licence as to what work they did previously )
Sadly I think people are getting to hear so much of it that we are treating it as normal now.
According to a post above Boots are not going to be making any money out of this anyway, which makes them a company I would buy off in the future if I didn't already | |||
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"Their staff and training and organisation/ planning of the vaccination areas should be given away for free. There should be a public tendering process for all government contracts so the price price can be found and the taxpayer gets the best deal. There normally is, but they changed it as we were in a pandemic and didn't have time to go through that process Everything is out there in the public domain what's happened. You either choose to believe it or you dont. You would like to think there would be some sort of investigation when the world gets back to normal,but I wouldnt hold my breath.
I can understand the thought of we need to work faster here so change things, I also get that people need to make a profit when trying to run a business but I don't get the thought train of lets see if the ice cream man who sold me a 99 years ago needs a contract for PPE worth millions ( poetic licence as to what work they did previously )
Sadly I think people are getting to hear so much of it that we are treating it as normal now.
According to a post above Boots are not going to be making any money out of this anyway, which makes them a company I would buy off in the future if I didn't already "Companies need to make profits to survive. There is absolutely no argument there. However politicians should not. They are there to serve the public..not line their own profits. | |||
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"GP’s and pharmacy’s both get £12.58 per person vaccinated, two dose vaccine means £25.16 for each patient. " | |||
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"Storage, distribution, syringe, needle, swab, staff training, allocated private areas for treatment, provision of seating, cleaning equipment of treatment area, cleaning staff, PPE for above staff etc" All of which you would expect if going for a £8 fly vaccine. | |||
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"Storage, distribution, syringe, needle, swab, staff training, allocated private areas for treatment, provision of seating, cleaning equipment of treatment area, cleaning staff, PPE for above staff etc All of which you would expect if going for a £8 fly vaccine. " You would expect all that yes. The flu vaccine may be cheaper to produce (I have no idea). Also, can you explain why Tesco are more expensive? As stated above, Boots have said they will give profits to NHS, not that there is no profit in the 12.58 | |||
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"Storage, distribution, syringe, needle, swab, staff training, allocated private areas for treatment, provision of seating, cleaning equipment of treatment area, cleaning staff, PPE for above staff etc All of which you would expect if going for a £8 fly vaccine. You would expect all that yes. The flu vaccine may be cheaper to produce (I have no idea). Also, can you explain why Tesco are more expensive? As stated above, Boots have said they will give profits to NHS, not that there is no profit in the 12.58" Ah well if they are doing that I can only applaud them for doing so
On the flu vaccine there is varying prices..I think boots or superdrug are the most expensive at around £12.99.. | |||
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"Storage, distribution, syringe, needle, swab, staff training, allocated private areas for treatment, provision of seating, cleaning equipment of treatment area, cleaning staff, PPE for above staff etc All of which you would expect if going for a £8 fly vaccine. You would expect all that yes. The flu vaccine may be cheaper to produce (I have no idea). Also, can you explain why Tesco are more expensive? As stated above, Boots have said they will give profits to NHS, not that there is no profit in the 12.58" its also previously been explained that the drawing up training and rules for this vaccine are different to the flu jab, id expect to be paging a higher rate of pay for a more qualified member of staff completing the jab oh and the observation time means each appointment is longer and therefore costs more and the opportunity cost - all the time spent on this vaccine is time taken away from other profit making activity which lets face it isnt going to be an insignificant amount of time at 1000 jabs a week i think this is such a non story - cost is always more than raw materials and why should any company do something for free for the spirit anything its like when people expect their self employed friends to do everything for them on the cheap or free | |||
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"Storage, distribution, syringe, needle, swab, staff training, allocated private areas for treatment, provision of seating, cleaning equipment of treatment area, cleaning staff, PPE for above staff etc All of which you would expect if going for a £8 fly vaccine. You would expect all that yes. The flu vaccine may be cheaper to produce (I have no idea). Also, can you explain why Tesco are more expensive? As stated above, Boots have said they will give profits to NHS, not that there is no profit in the 12.58 its also previously been explained that the drawing up training and rules for this vaccine are different to the flu jab, id expect to be paging a higher rate of pay for a more qualified member of staff completing the jab oh and the observation time means each appointment is longer and therefore costs more and the opportunity cost - all the time spent on this vaccine is time taken away from other profit making activity which lets face it isnt going to be an insignificant amount of time at 1000 jabs a week i think this is such a non story - cost is always more than raw materials and why should any company do something for free for the spirit anything its like when people expect their self employed friends to do everything for them on the cheap or free " As always... | |||
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