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"They can't get staff for nightingale hospitals, so I'm sure they won't get staff for hotels. Plus there won't be the clean down facilities of beds, so they'd have to replace all the beds so they may as well use the nightingales. Which they can't staff." exactly, another false promise | |||
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"Take it the Ritz, Dorchester or Savoy won't be included in this." They may place the homeless in those | |||
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"Some older people will go to care homes, if they've isolated beforehand, even without a negative test result. What could possibly go wrong!" I suspect a lot of care home managers will not be overjoyed at this new idea, especially if they have battled through previous deaths in the home and only now just got things under control. Care home managers responsibilities lie with their residents and the fee-paying families who have their loved ones there. (Amongst other things ofc). Not with Elsie who is not a resident, may not have had a decent test, and could be bringing in covid to the home which could kill many other residents and harm staff too. And who is going to pay for Elsie's £2500 a week stay and for how long ? And what if Elsie has dementia ? Putting her in a non-dementia care home is not going to work at all. Just too many things to go wrong with this hare-brained idea. | |||
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"another fake media story" https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/society/2021/jan/12/hospital-patients-to-be-sent-to-hotels-to-free-up-beds-for-critical-covid-patients | |||
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"Oh ffs "Come on Swing, get delivering those hampers woman!! | |||
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Come on Swing, get delivering those hampers woman!!"
I suspect the hotel bit could work as a containment strategy with competent people in charge.
It'll be a shitshow. | |||
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"We perhaps didn't need to build Nightingales, as the new plan is to free up hospital space by putting patients in to hotels. This won't be for severely ill people but those getting closer to discharge. Some older people will go to carehomes, if they've isolated beforehand, even without a negative test result. What could possibly go wrong! " Nothing new tbh | |||
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"I'd be more worried about the care home thing." not every care home has covid or has had covid many have managed to stay free | |||
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"Why not go the full hog and give them a national coach holiday...if the hotel doesn't get them the coach will..." Hotel could be a way to free up beds for those needing minimal support but still needing some support, with minimal risk of infection. And some money to hotels that otherwise couldn't fill rooms. | |||
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"Why not go the full hog and give them a national coach holiday...if the hotel doesn't get them the coach will... Hotel could be a way to free up beds for those needing minimal support but still needing some support, with minimal risk of infection. And some money to hotels that otherwise couldn't fill rooms." If someone is well enough to go to a hotel they are well enough to go home. | |||
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"Why not go the full hog and give them a national coach holiday...if the hotel doesn't get them the coach will... Hotel could be a way to free up beds for those needing minimal support but still needing some support, with minimal risk of infection. And some money to hotels that otherwise couldn't fill rooms. If someone is well enough to go to a hotel they are well enough to go home. " I think they may be given a choice but I'm guessing that over time, this could become a plan to get people out ever earlier. It's also another example of parts of the NHS services being outsourced to the private sector | |||
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"Why not go the full hog and give them a national coach holiday...if the hotel doesn't get them the coach will... Hotel could be a way to free up beds for those needing minimal support but still needing some support, with minimal risk of infection. And some money to hotels that otherwise couldn't fill rooms. If someone is well enough to go to a hotel they are well enough to go home. I think they may be given a choice but I'm guessing that over time, this could become a plan to get people out ever earlier. It's also another example of parts of the NHS services being outsourced to the private sector " I've had experience of this, believe me it's hard to shift people. This can be used inappropriately | |||
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"Why not go the full hog and give them a national coach holiday...if the hotel doesn't get them the coach will... Hotel could be a way to free up beds for those needing minimal support but still needing some support, with minimal risk of infection. And some money to hotels that otherwise couldn't fill rooms. If someone is well enough to go to a hotel they are well enough to go home. I think they may be given a choice but I'm guessing that over time, this could become a plan to get people out ever earlier. It's also another example of parts of the NHS services being outsourced to the private sector " Oh definitely. I'm not saying it's ideal. And I'm not saying I think it will be a good idea. More - in an emergency, requisition resources, sort of thing. A place that can be contained for the lowest need patients. I don't imagine that that's what's planned or that it'll go well, but... Trying to play thought experiment with something that might be useful. Dunno. | |||
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"I would rather go home." It's for people that don't have homes or for people whose homes are not suitable for recovery. | |||
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"I would rather go home. It's for people that don't have homes or for people whose homes are not suitable for recovery. " I wonder how they feel about that. In hospital you have people around you; in a hotel you'll be in a room on your own. Sounds great but some people need interaction with other humans. Can they have visitors? | |||
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"I would rather go home. It's for people that don't have homes or for people whose homes are not suitable for recovery. I wonder how they feel about that. In hospital you have people around you; in a hotel you'll be in a room on your own. Sounds great but some people need interaction with other humans. Can they have visitors?" Doubtful. You can't visit/socialise indoors, outdoors or in my lady's chamber either. | |||
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"I would rather go home. It's for people that don't have homes or for people whose homes are not suitable for recovery. I wonder how they feel about that. In hospital you have people around you; in a hotel you'll be in a room on your own. Sounds great but some people need interaction with other humans. Can they have visitors?" It's for people that are ready to be discharged from hospital but like I said for whatever reason their home isn't suitable for recovery. So they would either be at home or in the hotel Room where at least somebody can keep an eye on them. | |||
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"I would rather go home. It's for people that don't have homes or for people whose homes are not suitable for recovery. I wonder how they feel about that. In hospital you have people around you; in a hotel you'll be in a room on your own. Sounds great but some people need interaction with other humans. Can they have visitors? Doubtful. You can't visit/socialise indoors, outdoors or in my lady's chamber either." I'm trying to imagine what kind of care they get. How many hotels provide room service with hot meals? Maybe hotels with restaurants attached will take food up to rooms. What about medication? Who will give that out? | |||
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"I would rather go home. It's for people that don't have homes or for people whose homes are not suitable for recovery. I wonder how they feel about that. In hospital you have people around you; in a hotel you'll be in a room on your own. Sounds great but some people need interaction with other humans. Can they have visitors? Doubtful. You can't visit/socialise indoors, outdoors or in my lady's chamber either." Oh well let's hope they have free wifi eh. | |||
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"I would rather go home. It's for people that don't have homes or for people whose homes are not suitable for recovery. I wonder how they feel about that. In hospital you have people around you; in a hotel you'll be in a room on your own. Sounds great but some people need interaction with other humans. Can they have visitors? It's for people that are ready to be discharged from hospital but like I said for whatever reason their home isn't suitable for recovery. So they would either be at home or in the hotel Room where at least somebody can keep an eye on them." I see, so recovered but not able to look after themselves at home. I believe hospitals call them bed blockers. | |||
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"I would rather go home. It's for people that don't have homes or for people whose homes are not suitable for recovery. I wonder how they feel about that. In hospital you have people around you; in a hotel you'll be in a room on your own. Sounds great but some people need interaction with other humans. Can they have visitors? Doubtful. You can't visit/socialise indoors, outdoors or in my lady's chamber either. I'm trying to imagine what kind of care they get. How many hotels provide room service with hot meals? Maybe hotels with restaurants attached will take food up to rooms. What about medication? Who will give that out? " They manage it in hotel quarantine in Australia. Don't know the specifics, but food and medicine are part of the deal. | |||
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"I would rather go home. It's for people that don't have homes or for people whose homes are not suitable for recovery. I wonder how they feel about that. In hospital you have people around you; in a hotel you'll be in a room on your own. Sounds great but some people need interaction with other humans. Can they have visitors? Doubtful. You can't visit/socialise indoors, outdoors or in my lady's chamber either. Oh well let's hope they have free wifi eh." Or freeview at least. | |||
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"I would rather go home. It's for people that don't have homes or for people whose homes are not suitable for recovery. I wonder how they feel about that. In hospital you have people around you; in a hotel you'll be in a room on your own. Sounds great but some people need interaction with other humans. Can they have visitors? Doubtful. You can't visit/socialise indoors, outdoors or in my lady's chamber either. I'm trying to imagine what kind of care they get. How many hotels provide room service with hot meals? Maybe hotels with restaurants attached will take food up to rooms. What about medication? Who will give that out? " I've stayed in the odd hotel since March and all have offered room service, for everything, because they can't do breakfast buffets etc. For medication, you'd hope discharged with enough and you can get scripts delivered so perhaps delivered to hotel reception and dropped off at the room? I don't know enough about the scheme to be specific. | |||
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"I would rather go home. It's for people that don't have homes or for people whose homes are not suitable for recovery. I wonder how they feel about that. In hospital you have people around you; in a hotel you'll be in a room on your own. Sounds great but some people need interaction with other humans. Can they have visitors? Doubtful. You can't visit/socialise indoors, outdoors or in my lady's chamber either. I'm trying to imagine what kind of care they get. How many hotels provide room service with hot meals? Maybe hotels with restaurants attached will take food up to rooms. What about medication? Who will give that out? They manage it in hotel quarantine in Australia. Don't know the specifics, but food and medicine are part of the deal. " I wonder who would take on the responsibility for medicines. In hospital even paracetamol is locked in a trolley. | |||
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"I would rather go home. It's for people that don't have homes or for people whose homes are not suitable for recovery. I wonder how they feel about that. In hospital you have people around you; in a hotel you'll be in a room on your own. Sounds great but some people need interaction with other humans. Can they have visitors? Doubtful. You can't visit/socialise indoors, outdoors or in my lady's chamber either. I'm trying to imagine what kind of care they get. How many hotels provide room service with hot meals? Maybe hotels with restaurants attached will take food up to rooms. What about medication? Who will give that out? I've stayed in the odd hotel since March and all have offered room service, for everything, because they can't do breakfast buffets etc. For medication, you'd hope discharged with enough and you can get scripts delivered so perhaps delivered to hotel reception and dropped off at the room? I don't know enough about the scheme to be specific." Short term is sounds ok, but wouldn't want to be in one for weeks. | |||
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"I would rather go home. It's for people that don't have homes or for people whose homes are not suitable for recovery. I wonder how they feel about that. In hospital you have people around you; in a hotel you'll be in a room on your own. Sounds great but some people need interaction with other humans. Can they have visitors? It's for people that are ready to be discharged from hospital but like I said for whatever reason their home isn't suitable for recovery. So they would either be at home or in the hotel Room where at least somebody can keep an eye on them. I see, so recovered but not able to look after themselves at home. I believe hospitals call them bed blockers. " Pretty much yes. So for example it could be someone who is still very unwell but doesn't need hospital treatment, Say they live alone and are still very breathless but live at the top of a walk up block of 3 flights of stairs. They wouuld need support and someone checking on them but not medical treatment | |||
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"I would rather go home. It's for people that don't have homes or for people whose homes are not suitable for recovery. I wonder how they feel about that. In hospital you have people around you; in a hotel you'll be in a room on your own. Sounds great but some people need interaction with other humans. Can they have visitors? Doubtful. You can't visit/socialise indoors, outdoors or in my lady's chamber either. I'm trying to imagine what kind of care they get. How many hotels provide room service with hot meals? Maybe hotels with restaurants attached will take food up to rooms. What about medication? Who will give that out? They manage it in hotel quarantine in Australia. Don't know the specifics, but food and medicine are part of the deal. I wonder who would take on the responsibility for medicines. In hospital even paracetamol is locked in a trolley. " The individual or if they have carers who would normally do that for them then they would. | |||
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"I just read that The Red Cross, St John's Ambulance, Armed Forces and available NHS staff will be assisting with the thousands of patients discharged early from hospital. " And that is what would be needed really rather than people being in hospital for longer than need because obviously that puts pressure on the staff and hospital but also adds a risk to the patient of further infection. | |||
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