FabSwingers.com forum: Free school meals

By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

https://metro.co.uk/2021/01/12/firm-shamed-over-inadequate-free-school-meals-parcels-defends-itself-13889782/

It seems that the company that was awarded a big contract to supply the free meals during covid has really been profiteering out of this by supplying food that can be sourced from any supermarket for 5 quid. When it is meant to be 30 quid

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I saw this and is absolutely disgusting.

The example that was given was meant be 10 days of food, 30 pound would have been allocated as its 15 pounds per child per week. The contents of that looked to me like it would have been less than a fiver.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Nothing new there at all. This generally how many businesses operate and have been doing so for decades.

I'm just more surprised at how people seem so shocked about it.

Most people just ignore it until it effects themselves, till it does it just continues under the blanket of acceptable extorssion.

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By *ollydoesWoman
over a year ago

Shangri-La

Ok I hate admitting I get them anyway as some people can be ass holes over the whole thing...but honestly..i got 2 weeks for each of mine. It was literlly just veg, tiniest lump of cheese, beans, dried pasta and catering sizes tins of watery tomato sauce and 2 loaves of brown bread 2 if which will have gone stale befote it opened and csnt freeze as it's already been frozen .

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

As it was said on the news however that the photos could not be independently verified as whether completely true or not. They were taken from Twitter and FB.

It'll be interesting once they can verify these.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Ok I hate admitting I get them anyway as some people can be ass holes over the whole thing...but honestly..i got 2 weeks for each of mine. It was literlly just veg, tiniest lump of cheese, beans, dried pasta and catering sizes tins of watery tomato sauce and 2 loaves of brown bread 2 if which will have gone stale befote it opened and csnt freeze as it's already been frozen ."

I'm sorry you have experienced people being arse holes about this.

It was the same with the government shielding parcels.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"As it was said on the news however that the photos could not be independently verified as whether completely true or not. They were taken from Twitter and FB.

It'll be interesting once they can verify these."

I'm not surprised by them because we received a government shielding parcel back in the Spring and it was very similar to the pictures that have been on social media.

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

Its actually embarrassing to see the lengths people go to,to defend a gmnt who happily sees kids going hungry, but not surprising.

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By *ylonSlutTV/TS
over a year ago

Durham

"As it was said on the news however that the photos could not be independently verified as whether completely true or not. They were taken from Twitter and FB.

It'll be interesting once they can verify these."

There are so many similar pics of these parcels it seems very unlikely that they are fake. Have seen one parcel with my own eyes and admittedly was a little better than the one in the press but not much. And the bread given was stale so pretty much inedible.

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By *ollydoesWoman
over a year ago

Shangri-La

I'm sorry you have experienced people being arse holes about this.

It was the same with the government shielding parcels. "

I just find it easier to keep my mouth shiut know over it all.

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

I'm looking forward to seeing the criteria for the minimum that the children should be getting and hope that it's way above the level of slop that gruel houses saw fit to serve or that could be obtained from end of lines in poundland could cobble together for a pittance

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"I'm looking forward to seeing the criteria for the minimum that the children should be getting and hope that it's way above the level of slop that gruel houses saw fit to serve or that could be obtained from end of lines in poundland could cobble together for a pittance "

It's almost like Victorian times.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm sorry you have experienced people being arse holes about this.

It was the same with the government shielding parcels.

I just find it easier to keep my mouth shiut know over it all."

This saddens me that people feel the need to keep quiet.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

In schools the provision for a child to get free school meals is £3 a day.

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By *dsindyTV/TS
over a year ago

East Lancashire

Let's hope that this is just an aberration, just one company doing it, but I suspect it wont be. There are to many other reports of a similar nature.

The fact that there are some people who will quietly accept this so as not to be labelled as somehow incapable of providing for their own children is heartbreaking.

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"Let's hope that this is just an aberration, just one company doing it, but I suspect it wont be. There are to many other reports of a similar nature.

The fact that there are some people who will quietly accept this so as not to be labelled as somehow incapable of providing for their own children is heartbreaking. "

They did a similar thing back in March.. a local headteacher slammed them as shameful.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

What gets me is it would be far easier to just give the money to the parents to shop for what the kids eat. But the government will come back and say it will be spent on drink,fags ect.

But allowing these charlatans to operate like this...its got to be a better option

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By *inaTitzTV/TS
over a year ago

Titz Towers, North Notts

WHAT THERE ISN’T MONEY FOR:

Sheltering the homeless in lockdown

Proper sick pay

Proper support for those self-isolating 3m self-employed

Proper pay rise for NHS staff

WHAT THERE IS MONEY FOR:

Private firms making £25 per inadequate food parcel

Borrowed from David Schneider.

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By *og-ManMan
over a year ago

somewhere

Never be ashamed or embarrassed to admit you get help if you need it

The important thing is that you and your kids get the food you need

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

Please, sir, I want some more!

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"What gets me is it would be far easier to just give the money to the parents to shop for what the kids eat. But the government will come back and say it will be spent on drink,fags ect.

But allowing these charlatans to operate like this...its got to be a better option "

They have ways to block the vouchers being spent on certain things, and in fact did just that.

Less private profit in that, though.

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By *dsindyTV/TS
over a year ago

East Lancashire

"What gets me is it would be far easier to just give the money to the parents to shop for what the kids eat. But the government will come back and say it will be spent on drink,fags ect.

But allowing these charlatans to operate like this...its got to be a better option

They have ways to block the vouchers being spent on certain things, and in fact did just that.

Less private profit in that, though."

And that seems to be the crux of the issue......making as much profit as you can.

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"What gets me is it would be far easier to just give the money to the parents to shop for what the kids eat. But the government will come back and say it will be spent on drink,fags ect.

But allowing these charlatans to operate like this...its got to be a better option

They have ways to block the vouchers being spent on certain things, and in fact did just that.

Less private profit in that, though.

And that seems to be the crux of the issue......making as much profit as you can."

Imagine letting kids go hungry because you want to make a profit.

That's fucking awful

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"What gets me is it would be far easier to just give the money to the parents to shop for what the kids eat. But the government will come back and say it will be spent on drink,fags ect.

But allowing these charlatans to operate like this...its got to be a better option "

That's not how conservative governments operate. I'm surprised people are surprised - particularly, after the billions that have gone to buddies of the PM and Cabinet re PPE and Track and Trace - many of which have been wasted.

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By *inaTitzTV/TS
over a year ago

Titz Towers, North Notts

"What gets me is it would be far easier to just give the money to the parents to shop for what the kids eat. But the government will come back and say it will be spent on drink,fags ect.

But allowing these charlatans to operate like this...its got to be a better option

Yet still people think that they are the party of sound finance

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"What gets me is it would be far easier to just give the money to the parents to shop for what the kids eat. But the government will come back and say it will be spent on drink,fags ect.

But allowing these charlatans to operate like this...its got to be a better option

I'm not surprised. I am disgusted.

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"What gets me is it would be far easier to just give the money to the parents to shop for what the kids eat. But the government will come back and say it will be spent on drink,fags ect.

But allowing these charlatans to operate like this...its got to be a better option

They have ways to block the vouchers being spent on certain things, and in fact did just that.

Less private profit in that, though.

And that seems to be the crux of the issue......making as much profit as you can.

Imagine letting kids go hungry because you want to make a profit.

That's fucking awful

The local mp has accused people of 'whipping up a storm' on twitter.

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"What gets me is it would be far easier to just give the money to the parents to shop for what the kids eat. But the government will come back and say it will be spent on drink,fags ect.

But allowing these charlatans to operate like this...its got to be a better option

They have ways to block the vouchers being spent on certain things, and in fact did just that.

Less private profit in that, though.

And that seems to be the crux of the issue......making as much profit as you can.

Imagine letting kids go hungry because you want to make a profit.

That's fucking awful

The local mp has accused people of 'whipping up a storm' on twitter."

Of course he has

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"What gets me is it would be far easier to just give the money to the parents to shop for what the kids eat. But the government will come back and say it will be spent on drink,fags ect.

But allowing these charlatans to operate like this...its got to be a better option

They have ways to block the vouchers being spent on certain things, and in fact did just that.

Less private profit in that, though.

And that seems to be the crux of the issue......making as much profit as you can.

Imagine letting kids go hungry because you want to make a profit.

That's fucking awful

The local mp has accused people of 'whipping up a storm' on twitter.

Of course he has

He also voted against the free school meals.

Lovely fella.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"As it was said on the news however that the photos could not be independently verified as whether completely true or not. They were taken from Twitter and FB.

It'll be interesting once they can verify these.

I'm not denying it not defending anyone. I'm just saying exactly what the news reader said themselves.

There we'll be a lot of truth in it there will also be those who hate and blame the government for anything that's not going their way who will jump on this like other bandwagons.

If you see my first comment you and the other who suggested I'm defending a government that he blames everything on include the spread of the virus, will notice I said I wasn't at all surprised at hearing this because this is how businesses are expected to run in out capitalistic way of business and management. Few say anything about it untill it hurts them.

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"As it was said on the news however that the photos could not be independently verified as whether completely true or not. They were taken from Twitter and FB.

It'll be interesting once they can verify these.

I'm not denying it not defending anyone. I'm just saying exactly what the news reader said themselves.

There we'll be a lot of truth in it there will also be those who hate and blame the government for anything that's not going their way who will jump on this like other bandwagons.

You questioned the validity of the story,despite the fact that its happened before.

If business ran like that they would soon go out of business.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"As it was said on the news however that the photos could not be independently verified as whether completely true or not. They were taken from Twitter and FB.

It'll be interesting once they can verify these.

I'm not denying it not defending anyone. I'm just saying exactly what the news reader said themselves.

There we'll be a lot of truth in it there will also be those who hate and blame the government for anything that's not going their way who will jump on this like other bandwagons.

You questioned the validity of the story,despite the fact that its happened before.

If business ran like that they would soon go out of business."

Oooooh... show me where I questioned the validity please?

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"As it was said on the news however that the photos could not be independently verified as whether completely true or not. They were taken from Twitter and FB.

It'll be interesting once they can verify these.

I'm not denying it not defending anyone. I'm just saying exactly what the news reader said themselves.

There we'll be a lot of truth in it there will also be those who hate and blame the government for anything that's not going their way who will jump on this like other bandwagons.

You questioned the validity of the story,despite the fact that its happened before.

If business ran like that they would soon go out of business.

Oooooh... show me where I questioned the validity please?"

You asked had the photos had been independently verified?

Presumably the paper and the recipient are not independent.

Considering this has come in the wake of the schools meals fiasco, where they were literally forced to do a u turn, suggests a pattern.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"As it was said on the news however that the photos could not be independently verified as whether completely true or not. They were taken from Twitter and FB.

It'll be interesting once they can verify these.

I'm not denying it not defending anyone. I'm just saying exactly what the news reader said themselves.

There we'll be a lot of truth in it there will also be those who hate and blame the government for anything that's not going their way who will jump on this like other bandwagons.

You questioned the validity of the story,despite the fact that its happened before.

If business ran like that they would soon go out of business.

Oooooh... show me where I questioned the validity please?

You asked had the photos had been independently verified?

Presumably the paper and the recipient are not independent.

Considering this has come in the wake of the schools meals fiasco, where they were literally forced to do a u turn, suggests a pattern."

So you are saying the news was questioning their own story. No I don't think they were and not was I. However unlike yourself who rarely ventures beyond Boris is to blame for almost everything include the way people behave and your speculations and predictions on Brexit as if they are fact because you dream them up and it would go against you views on Boris, I do however like to read and hear direct examples as some in here have shared.

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"As it was said on the news however that the photos could not be independently verified as whether completely true or not. They were taken from Twitter and FB.

It'll be interesting once they can verify these.

I'm not denying it not defending anyone. I'm just saying exactly what the news reader said themselves.

There we'll be a lot of truth in it there will also be those who hate and blame the government for anything that's not going their way who will jump on this like other bandwagons.

You questioned the validity of the story,despite the fact that its happened before.

If business ran like that they would soon go out of business.

Oooooh... show me where I questioned the validity please?

You asked had the photos had been independently verified?

Presumably the paper and the recipient are not independent.

Considering this has come in the wake of the schools meals fiasco, where they were literally forced to do a u turn, suggests a pattern.

Perhaps try and stay on topic?

The record on feeding hungry kids is borderline inhumane and their record in giving out contracts to their mates is more than a bit iffy.

People have provided examples and its appalling that people should be embarrassed about needing help.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"As it was said on the news however that the photos could not be independently verified as whether completely true or not. They were taken from Twitter and FB.

It'll be interesting once they can verify these.

I'm not denying it not defending anyone. I'm just saying exactly what the news reader said themselves.

There we'll be a lot of truth in it there will also be those who hate and blame the government for anything that's not going their way who will jump on this like other bandwagons.

You questioned the validity of the story,despite the fact that its happened before.

If business ran like that they would soon go out of business.

Oooooh... show me where I questioned the validity please?

You asked had the photos had been independently verified?

Presumably the paper and the recipient are not independent.

Considering this has come in the wake of the schools meals fiasco, where they were literally forced to do a u turn, suggests a pattern.

Perhaps try and stay on topic?

The record on feeding hungry kids is borderline inhumane and their record in giving out contracts to their mates is more than a bit iffy.

People have provided examples and its appalling that people should be embarrassed about needing help."

A bit iffy, it's fucking criminal

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"As it was said on the news however that the photos could not be independently verified as whether completely true or not. They were taken from Twitter and FB.

It'll be interesting once they can verify these.

I'm not denying it not defending anyone. I'm just saying exactly what the news reader said themselves.

There we'll be a lot of truth in it there will also be those who hate and blame the government for anything that's not going their way who will jump on this like other bandwagons.

You questioned the validity of the story,despite the fact that its happened before.

If business ran like that they would soon go out of business.

Oooooh... show me where I questioned the validity please?

You asked had the photos had been independently verified?

Presumably the paper and the recipient are not independent.

Considering this has come in the wake of the schools meals fiasco, where they were literally forced to do a u turn, suggests a pattern.

Perhaps try and stay on topic?

The record on feeding hungry kids is borderline inhumane and their record in giving out contracts to their mates is more than a bit iffy.

People have provided examples and its appalling that people should be embarrassed about needing help.

A bit iffy, it's fucking criminal "

If not criminal then immoral

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By *ollydoesWoman
over a year ago

Shangri-La

"Let's hope that this is just an aberration, just one company doing it, but I suspect it wont be. There are to many other reports of a similar nature.

The fact that there are some people who will quietly accept this so as not to be labelled as somehow incapable of providing for their own children is heartbreaking. "

This right here. It's the stigma that gets attached to it.

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"As it was said on the news however that the photos could not be independently verified as whether completely true or not. They were taken from Twitter and FB.

It'll be interesting once they can verify these.

I'm not denying it not defending anyone. I'm just saying exactly what the news reader said themselves.

There we'll be a lot of truth in it there will also be those who hate and blame the government for anything that's not going their way who will jump on this like other bandwagons.

You questioned the validity of the story,despite the fact that its happened before.

If business ran like that they would soon go out of business.

Oooooh... show me where I questioned the validity please?

You asked had the photos had been independently verified?

Presumably the paper and the recipient are not independent.

Considering this has come in the wake of the schools meals fiasco, where they were literally forced to do a u turn, suggests a pattern.

Perhaps try and stay on topic?

The record on feeding hungry kids is borderline inhumane and their record in giving out contracts to their mates is more than a bit iffy.

People have provided examples and its appalling that people should be embarrassed about needing help.

A bit iffy, it's fucking criminal "

Apparently not

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"Let's hope that this is just an aberration, just one company doing it, but I suspect it wont be. There are to many other reports of a similar nature.

The fact that there are some people who will quietly accept this so as not to be labelled as somehow incapable of providing for their own children is heartbreaking.

This right here. It's the stigma that gets attached to it. "

That's what 20 years of headlines about dole scroungers and benefits cheats in the mail and the rag ,gets you.

Say something often enough and simpletons believe it.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"As it was said on the news however that the photos could not be independently verified as whether completely true or not. They were taken from Twitter and FB.

It'll be interesting once they can verify these.

I'm not denying it not defending anyone. I'm just saying exactly what the news reader said themselves.

There we'll be a lot of truth in it there will also be those who hate and blame the government for anything that's not going their way who will jump on this like other bandwagons.

You questioned the validity of the story,despite the fact that its happened before.

If business ran like that they would soon go out of business.

Oooooh... show me where I questioned the validity please?

You asked had the photos had been independently verified?

Presumably the paper and the recipient are not independent.

Considering this has come in the wake of the schools meals fiasco, where they were literally forced to do a u turn, suggests a pattern.

Perhaps try and stay on topic?

The record on feeding hungry kids is borderline inhumane and their record in giving out contracts to their mates is more than a bit iffy.

People have provided examples and its appalling that people should be embarrassed about needing help."

I thought it was wandering a little

You can always tell when your on a thread lionel...the posts get longer and longer

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By *ollydoesWoman
over a year ago

Shangri-La

"What gets me is it would be far easier to just give the money to the parents to shop for what the kids eat. But the government will come back and say it will be spent on drink,fags ect.

But allowing these charlatans to operate like this...its got to be a better option "

I get electronic vouchers sent by email. Can only use in the supermarket. There agsin I suppose some will still sell those on. With the vouchers tho ( i would get £30 as have 2) if I filled my trolley with food items and say..2 bottles of wine..and thst came to £30 they would not let me use the voucher to cover the cost of the wine..it has to be food. Quite rightly so.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Let's hope that this is just an aberration, just one company doing it, but I suspect it wont be. There are to many other reports of a similar nature.

The fact that there are some people who will quietly accept this so as not to be labelled as somehow incapable of providing for their own children is heartbreaking.

This right here. It's the stigma that gets attached to it.

That's what 20 years of headlines about dole scroungers and benefits cheats in the mail and the rag ,gets you.

Say something often enough and simpletons believe it."

Yep like how these buggers can profiteer from these schemes by saying we cant give them money as they will misspend it.

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"As it was said on the news however that the photos could not be independently verified as whether completely true or not. They were taken from Twitter and FB.

It'll be interesting once they can verify these.

I'm not denying it not defending anyone. I'm just saying exactly what the news reader said themselves.

There we'll be a lot of truth in it there will also be those who hate and blame the government for anything that's not going their way who will jump on this like other bandwagons.

You questioned the validity of the story,despite the fact that its happened before.

If business ran like that they would soon go out of business.

Oooooh... show me where I questioned the validity please?

You asked had the photos had been independently verified?

Presumably the paper and the recipient are not independent.

Considering this has come in the wake of the schools meals fiasco, where they were literally forced to do a u turn, suggests a pattern.

Perhaps try and stay on topic?

The record on feeding hungry kids is borderline inhumane and their record in giving out contracts to their mates is more than a bit iffy.

People have provided examples and its appalling that people should be embarrassed about needing help.

I thought it was wandering a little

You can always tell when your on a thread lionel...the posts get longer and longer

Moi?

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"What gets me is it would be far easier to just give the money to the parents to shop for what the kids eat. But the government will come back and say it will be spent on drink,fags ect.

But allowing these charlatans to operate like this...its got to be a better option

People shouldn't have to depend on food vouchers or banks but that's a different story.

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By *ollydoesWoman
over a year ago

Shangri-La

Just wanna say a big thank you to everyone here and the kind words and the understanding of the situation.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Just wanna say a big thank you to everyone here and the kind words and the understanding of the situation.

I totally get it and my sister is in a similar situation.

We are very fortunate to be in a situation where we can help her but we do understand that not everyone is.

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"Just wanna say a big thank you to everyone here and the kind words and the understanding of the situation.

Keep her head up

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By *hrista BellendWoman
over a year ago

surrounded by twinkly lights

"What gets me is it would be far easier to just give the money to the parents to shop for what the kids eat. But the government will come back and say it will be spent on drink,fags ect.

But allowing these charlatans to operate like this...its got to be a better option "

The school can choose what to do. If they want to check up on Vulnerable/DV kids and parents then the easiest way is to offer the food parcels as they physically have to come to school or its delivered to their home, lots of kids have to be chased and if the parents won't answer the phone or make contact after repeated attempts then concerns are raised

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"What gets me is it would be far easier to just give the money to the parents to shop for what the kids eat. But the government will come back and say it will be spent on drink,fags ect.

But allowing these charlatans to operate like this...its got to be a better option

This is very true.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"What gets me is it would be far easier to just give the money to the parents to shop for what the kids eat. But the government will come back and say it will be spent on drink,fags ect.

But allowing these charlatans to operate like this...its got to be a better option

This is very true.

I will add I know that in the school I work at teaching and support staff have Personally dropped off letters or work to childrens homes that could have been done by email for this very reason as well.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"What gets me is it would be far easier to just give the money to the parents to shop for what the kids eat. But the government will come back and say it will be spent on drink,fags ect.

But allowing these charlatans to operate like this...its got to be a better option

I get what your saying...but that doesn't address the amount that is in the parcels. Surely the school could issue a voucher on the same basis so that the kids are getting the food they want to eat,rather than defosted stale loafs that seem to be given out in these parcels?

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

If the parents are that irresponsible, shouldn't it be a social services issue?(if they still exist)

Providing completely insufficient meals is completed unrelated.

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over a year ago

"What gets me is it would be far easier to just give the money to the parents to shop for what the kids eat. But the government will come back and say it will be spent on drink,fags ect.

But allowing these charlatans to operate like this...its got to be a better option

No it absolutely doesn't and I suppose the same can be done regarding vouchers, asking for them to be collected.

Like I said the shielding parcels were saying because they were outsourced.

You will always get people but will say something is better than nothing but actually sometimes it's just insulting and people shouldn't be expected to live on leftovers or things that other people don't want.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"If the parents are that irresponsible, shouldn't it be a social services issue?(if they still exist)

Providing completely insufficient meals is completed unrelated."

Often in the situations they are involved.

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

In schools the provision for a child to get free school meals is £3 a day.

Yes. The £30 agreed expenditure has been horrific, with suppliers gouging as much profit as they could, to deliver just about the least they could get away with, to those who need our full help.

It is shameful that anyone in the applicable companies even considered that they could even do this. The 'hamper' is about enough for a single meal and snack for a growing child.

The businesses involved should feel fortunate to be in active business operations, so taking public money and depriving kids of bare essentials for life is something that ought to see such businesses disqualified from public operation.

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

In schools the provision for a child to get free school meals is £3 a day.

Yes. The £30 agreed expenditure has been horrific, with suppliers gouging as much profit as they could, to deliver just about the least they could get away with, to those who need our full help.

It is shameful that anyone in the applicable companies even considered that they could even do this. The 'hamper' is about enough for a single meal and snack for a growing child.

Which is where the business argument falls down

Its not like people are going to maccies.

Its providing a service..but obviously when private companies get involved, profit is the bottom line

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By *eavenscentitCouple
over a year ago

barnstaple

It so disgusting. Another cockup!

We have a local food bank, I donate and help out.

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By *dsindyTV/TS
over a year ago

East Lancashire

"Just wanna say a big thank you to everyone here and the kind words and the understanding of the situation.

You stay strong, safe and healthy so your kids can also stay strong, safe and healthy.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Remember at the ballot box, folks.

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By *dsindyTV/TS
over a year ago

East Lancashire

"Remember at the ballot box, folks."

Sadly, some other 3 word slogan will take peoples thoughts in another direction, and this will all be forgotten.

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By * and R cple4Couple
over a year ago

swansea

It’s disgusting .I wish I could post a side by side picture of the food parcels the kids have here in wales the difference is unbelievable.

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"Remember at the ballot box, folks.

Sadly, some other 3 word slogan will take peoples thoughts in another direction, and this will all be forgotten."

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It’s disgusting .I wish I could post a side by side picture of the food parcels the kids have here in wales the difference is unbelievable."

To balance some have been really good.

It does seem to be postcode lottery though.

The ones a friends child shool did where really good and generous.

They got a loaf of bread and some Crumpets, block of cheese, tin of tuna, 3 cans of soup, 2 cans of beans, a small lettuce, snack cucumbers, bag of satsumas, 3 bananas, pack of ham, 6 yogurts, large carton of jucie and something I couldn't make out as I saw it in a FB picture she posted.

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

O o O oo

Why do they need to be given food they may not eat anyway, stop taking away peoples dignity and give them a voucher

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"It’s disgusting .I wish I could post a side by side picture of the food parcels the kids have here in wales the difference is unbelievable.

To balance some have been really good.

It does seem to be postcode lottery though.

The ones a friends child shool did where really good and generous.

What you are a friend of Priti Patel

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Why do they need to be given food they may not eat anyway, stop taking away peoples dignity and give them a voucher"

Agreed

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"Why do they need to be given food they may not eat anyway, stop taking away peoples dignity and give them a voucher"

Apparently they will all go and spend it on ciggies and booze

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By *ackformore100Man
over a year ago

Tin town

"Remember at the ballot box, folks.

Sadly, some other 3 word slogan will take peoples thoughts in another direction, and this will all be forgotten."

Wasn't it education education education from the King of the rule of three? They've pretty much all done it since then...

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By *ollydoesWoman
over a year ago

Shangri-La

"Just wanna say a big thank you to everyone here and the kind words and the understanding of the situation.

You stay strong, safe and healthy so your kids can also stay strong, safe and healthy. "

Thank you x

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

O o O oo

"Why do they need to be given food they may not eat anyway, stop taking away peoples dignity and give them a voucher

Apparently they will all go and spend it on ciggies and booze "

Yeah I saw that disgusting comment from the MP near me

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Why do they need to be given food they may not eat anyway, stop taking away peoples dignity and give them a voucher

Apparently they will all go and spend it on ciggies and booze

Yeah I saw that disgusting comment from the MP near me"

You will always get a few people that abuse the system but the vast majority won't, I think the MP that made that is very misguided and out of touch.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

They should go back to the voucher system. They get the full amount that's given to them. Simple and straight forward. The simple ways often are the best.

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over a year ago

"They should go back to the voucher system. They get the full amount that's given to them. Simple and straight forward. The simple ways often are the best.

Vouchers are being given just like last time. It depends on where you live as to what is provided whether it's vouchers or food Box.

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over a year ago

"They should go back to the voucher system. They get the full amount that's given to them. Simple and straight forward. The simple ways often are the best.

Vouchers are being given just like last time. It depends on where you live as to what is provided whether it's vouchers or food Box. "

As I said just the vouchers.

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over a year ago

"They should go back to the voucher system. They get the full amount that's given to them. Simple and straight forward. The simple ways often are the best.

Vouchers are being given just like last time. It depends on where you live as to what is provided whether it's vouchers or food Box.

As I said just the vouchers."

My understanding is the reason some areas decided to use the boxes was because some of the local shops wouldn't except the vouchers and they couldnt be used online.

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By *udistcpl1Couple
over a year ago

Wirral

"What gets me is it would be far easier to just give the money to the parents to shop for what the kids eat. But the government will come back and say it will be spent on drink,fags ect.

But allowing these charlatans to operate like this...its got to be a better option

They have ways to block the vouchers being spent on certain things, and in fact did just that.

Less private profit in that, though.

And that seems to be the crux of the issue......making as much profit as you can.

Imagine letting kids go hungry because you want to make a profit.

That's fucking awful

The local mp has accused people of 'whipping up a storm' on twitter.

Of course he has

He also voted against the free school meals.

Lovely fella."

I might have missed somebody else asking the question but who is the MP please?

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over a year ago

"They should go back to the voucher system. They get the full amount that's given to them. Simple and straight forward. The simple ways often are the best.

Vouchers are being given just like last time. It depends on where you live as to what is provided whether it's vouchers or food Box.

As I said just the vouchers.

My understanding is the reason some areas decided to use the boxes was because some of the local shops wouldn't except the vouchers and they couldnt be used online. "

Both issues are easily rectified are they not?

So back to just vouchers or is there a real reason why they cannot be used?

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over a year ago

"What gets me is it would be far easier to just give the money to the parents to shop for what the kids eat. But the government will come back and say it will be spent on drink,fags ect.

But allowing these charlatans to operate like this...its got to be a better option "
personally I wouldn't give to the parents I'd rather it went to the schools as they no what they would really want.

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

O o O oo

"Why do they need to be given food they may not eat anyway, stop taking away peoples dignity and give them a voucher

Apparently they will all go and spend it on ciggies and booze

Yeah I saw that disgusting comment from the MP near me

You will always get a few people that abuse the system but the vast majority won't, I think the MP that made that is very misguided and out of touch. "

That is one description, mine would be a lot stronger

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By *ackformore100Man
over a year ago

Tin town

"They should go back to the voucher system. They get the full amount that's given to them. Simple and straight forward. The simple ways often are the best.

Vouchers are being given just like last time. It depends on where you live as to what is provided whether it's vouchers or food Box.

As I said just the vouchers.

My understanding is the reason some areas decided to use the boxes was because some of the local shops wouldn't except the vouchers and they couldnt be used online.

Both issues are easily rectified are they not?

So back to just vouchers or is there a real reason why they cannot be used?"

I don't know enough about it. But I'd imagine in some cases the kids would rather have the food. Than parents having the voucher? I thinks it's another one where one size perhaps doesn't fit all. And with today's tech that should fine.

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By *ackformore100Man
over a year ago

Tin town

"They should go back to the voucher system. They get the full amount that's given to them. Simple and straight forward. The simple ways often are the best.

Vouchers are being given just like last time. It depends on where you live as to what is provided whether it's vouchers or food Box.

As I said just the vouchers.

My understanding is the reason some areas decided to use the boxes was because some of the local shops wouldn't except the vouchers and they couldnt be used online.

Both issues are easily rectified are they not?

So back to just vouchers or is there a real reason why they cannot be used?

Success is getting healthy food into kids bellies... So any way that does the job. And is least open to fraud, profiteering and so on.

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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago

Grantham

"They should go back to the voucher system. They get the full amount that's given to them. Simple and straight forward. The simple ways often are the best.

Vouchers are being given just like last time. It depends on where you live as to what is provided whether it's vouchers or food Box.

As I said just the vouchers.

My understanding is the reason some areas decided to use the boxes was because some of the local shops wouldn't except the vouchers and they couldnt be used online.

Both issues are easily rectified are they not?

So back to just vouchers or is there a real reason why they cannot be used?"

Some schools have opted for food boxes, so they can keep in touch with the children. A sort of safe guarding issue.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"They should go back to the voucher system. They get the full amount that's given to them. Simple and straight forward. The simple ways often are the best.

Vouchers are being given just like last time. It depends on where you live as to what is provided whether it's vouchers or food Box.

As I said just the vouchers.

My understanding is the reason some areas decided to use the boxes was because some of the local shops wouldn't except the vouchers and they couldnt be used online.

Both issues are easily rectified are they not?

So back to just vouchers or is there a real reason why they cannot be used?

Some schools have opted for food boxes, so they can keep in touch with the children. A sort of safe guarding issue.

Whilst I know this is happening that could also be done with vouchers in fairness.

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By *dsindyTV/TS
over a year ago

East Lancashire

"Remember at the ballot box, folks.

Sadly, some other 3 word slogan will take peoples thoughts in another direction, and this will all be forgotten.

Wasn't it education education education from the King of the rule of three? They've pretty much all done it since then... "

I wasn't referring to any one person or party....but if you like, you can go back to Twatcher (spelling intended) and her slogan Making Britain Work. Kind of ironic that

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By *dsindyTV/TS
over a year ago

East Lancashire

Anyway.....back on topic.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"They should go back to the voucher system. They get the full amount that's given to them. Simple and straight forward. The simple ways often are the best.

Vouchers are being given just like last time. It depends on where you live as to what is provided whether it's vouchers or food Box.

As I said just the vouchers.

My understanding is the reason some areas decided to use the boxes was because some of the local shops wouldn't except the vouchers and they couldnt be used online.

Both issues are easily rectified are they not?

So back to just vouchers or is there a real reason why they cannot be used?

What's the vouchers for? Food I thought not cigs or drink. With modern tech it wouldn't be hard to have sort all that out. The vouchers are used for getting a balanced diet with food options only. All supermarkets do it already with their own vouchers. As you say the tech is there.

Anyway no solutions of discussed here ever get implemented so it's really all polemics.

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"What gets me is it would be far easier to just give the money to the parents to shop for what the kids eat. But the government will come back and say it will be spent on drink,fags ect.

But allowing these charlatans to operate like this...its got to be a better option

They have ways to block the vouchers being spent on certain things, and in fact did just that.

Less private profit in that, though.

And that seems to be the crux of the issue......making as much profit as you can.

Imagine letting kids go hungry because you want to make a profit.

That's fucking awful

The local mp has accused people of 'whipping up a storm' on twitter.

Of course he has

He also voted against the free school meals.

Lovely fella.

I might have missed somebody else asking the question but who is the MP please?"

Simon Clarke

He is on Twitter

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"What gets me is it would be far easier to just give the money to the parents to shop for what the kids eat. But the government will come back and say it will be spent on drink,fags ect.

But allowing these charlatans to operate like this...its got to be a better option

They have ways to block the vouchers being spent on certain things, and in fact did just that.

Less private profit in that, though.

And that seems to be the crux of the issue......making as much profit as you can.

Imagine letting kids go hungry because you want to make a profit.

That's fucking awful

The local mp has accused people of 'whipping up a storm' on twitter.

Of course he has

He also voted against the free school meals.

Lovely fella.

I might have missed somebody else asking the question but who is the MP please?

Simon Clarke

He is on Twitter "

That cant be the one ruggers is mentioned. That tosser lives closer to me.

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8502535/amp/Childrens-Minister-Vicky-Ford-accused-demonising-families-school-vouchers-alcohol-claim.html

Her and quite a few others, when the last scandal broke.

One of them suggested they they were taking them down to the local dealer and changing them for drugs

Great bunch of lads..and girls.

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"What gets me is it would be far easier to just give the money to the parents to shop for what the kids eat. But the government will come back and say it will be spent on drink,fags ect.

But allowing these charlatans to operate like this...its got to be a better option

They have ways to block the vouchers being spent on certain things, and in fact did just that.

Less private profit in that, though.

And that seems to be the crux of the issue......making as much profit as you can.

Imagine letting kids go hungry because you want to make a profit.

That's fucking awful

The local mp has accused people of 'whipping up a storm' on twitter.

Of course he has

He also voted against the free school meals.

Lovely fella.

I might have missed somebody else asking the question but who is the MP please?

Simon Clarke

He is on Twitter

That cant be the one ruggers is mentioned. That tosser lives closer to me."

I'm guessing more than one of them is a bit of a....bites tongue.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"What gets me is it would be far easier to just give the money to the parents to shop for what the kids eat. But the government will come back and say it will be spent on drink,fags ect.

But allowing these charlatans to operate like this...its got to be a better option

They have ways to block the vouchers being spent on certain things, and in fact did just that.

Less private profit in that, though.

And that seems to be the crux of the issue......making as much profit as you can.

Imagine letting kids go hungry because you want to make a profit.

That's fucking awful

The local mp has accused people of 'whipping up a storm' on twitter.

Of course he has

He also voted against the free school meals.

Lovely fella.

I might have missed somebody else asking the question but who is the MP please?

Simon Clarke

He is on Twitter

That cant be the one ruggers is mentioned. That tosser lives closer to me.

I'm guessing more than one of them is a bit of a....bites tongue.

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"What gets me is it would be far easier to just give the money to the parents to shop for what the kids eat. But the government will come back and say it will be spent on drink,fags ect.

But allowing these charlatans to operate like this...its got to be a better option

They have ways to block the vouchers being spent on certain things, and in fact did just that.

Less private profit in that, though.

And that seems to be the crux of the issue......making as much profit as you can.

Imagine letting kids go hungry because you want to make a profit.

That's fucking awful

The local mp has accused people of 'whipping up a storm' on twitter.

Of course he has

He also voted against the free school meals.

Lovely fella.

I might have missed somebody else asking the question but who is the MP please?

Simon Clarke

He is on Twitter

That cant be the one ruggers is mentioned. That tosser lives closer to me."

Have a look at what he said on twitter

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

1 parent reporting she was given an apple and an orange to feed her kids for a week.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If you look at the picture that was doing the rounds on twitter and in the press, the bread had a "best before 3rd November" date on it, but I can't remember when the packs were started, but I'm guessing in the past week?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

My son gets free school meals but due to us living so far from the school, we have to travel some distance to get the food parcel which by the time I have put fuel in the car it is counter intuitive to go and collect it. We are managing without it currently, I just hope another family in need can use it.

Danish x

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By *hrista BellendWoman
over a year ago

surrounded by twinkly lights

I wonder if the highlights of the food package will finally get the free school meals quality in schools changed, Jamie Oliver has tried for years with no success, maybe this time it work

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By *eah BabyCouple
over a year ago

Cheshire, Windermere ,Cumbria

ITV live debate about it now. Company said it was down to short notice and some of the £30 cost is for packing and distribution.

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By *andyfloss2000Woman
over a year ago

ashford

"I wonder if the highlights of the food package will finally get the free school meals quality in schools changed, Jamie Oliver has tried for years with no success, maybe this time it work"

The quality of food in the actual meals in the schools themselves that they cook are excellent since jamie Oliver intervened all fresh locally sourced products freshly prepared! Yes these food parcels seem diabolical! X

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It is a terrible situation to be in where children need food parcels and must be so despairing to receive an inadequate supply. People do love to blame the conservative government but the same happens in Wales where we have a labour government which controls these things. In reality the fault lies in the civil service, I deal with several departments and without fail they are all inefficient and staffed by incompetents. This is the case under any government. Until the civil service is radically changed then there is always going to be failings in delivering effective government spending.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Sorry but if your not happy with the food. feed your own kids.

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By *andyfloss2000Woman
over a year ago

ashford

"Sorry but if your not happy with the food. feed your own kids. "

Tbf it is a crock of shite being sent out have u seen? And if they are entitled to a meal they shd get a decent substitute! No one wants to see a kid hungry? X

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"Sorry but if your not happy with the food. feed your own kids. "

A compassionate view

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over a year ago

"I wonder if the highlights of the food package will finally get the free school meals quality in schools changed, Jamie Oliver has tried for years with no success, maybe this time it work

Yes I've seen it. a lot of people abuse the system and want everything for free. A lot of people say they can't afford to feed the kids but they can afford the latest iPhone and the Sky TV.

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"It is a terrible situation to be in where children need food parcels and must be so despairing to receive an inadequate supply. People do love to blame the conservative government but the same happens in Wales where we have a labour government which controls these things. In reality the fault lies in the civil service, I deal with several departments and without fail they are all inefficient and staffed by incompetents. This is the case under any government. Until the civil service is radically changed then there is always going to be failings in delivering effective government spending."

Right.. what has the civil service got to so with a private company providing inadequate meals again?

And I'm.also assinokg you mean the civil service which,in check whole,has worked through this pandemic?

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"I wonder if the highlights of the food package will finally get the free school meals quality in schools changed, Jamie Oliver has tried for years with no success, maybe this time it work

Yes I've seen it. a lot of people abuse the system and want everything for free. A lot of people say they can't afford to feed the kids but they can afford the latest iPhone and the Sky TV. "

Of course you have.

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By *edGrayCouple
over a year ago

Swindon

I having difficulty understanding the logic of why the government set up sending families in need food parcels rather than send the money direct to the families. Operating a food parcel service is going to incur operating costs which will reduce the money spent on each food parcel.

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"I having difficulty understanding the logic of why the government set up sending families in need food parcels rather than send the money direct to the families. Operating a food parcel service is going to incur operating costs which will reduce the money spent on each food parcel.

I'm not sure if its something to do with the fact that several of them accused them of miss pending the vouchers which used to be issued?

Apparently the company charged £30 for each parcel which was work £5.

So nice little profit.

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By *andyfloss2000Woman
over a year ago

ashford

"I wonder if the highlights of the food package will finally get the free school meals quality in schools changed, Jamie Oliver has tried for years with no success, maybe this time it work

Yes I've seen it. a lot of people abuse the system and want everything for free. A lot of people say they can't afford to feed the kids but they can afford the latest iPhone and the Sky TV. "

Unfortunately there will allways b these kind of parents have witnessed it myself ! But it's not the childs fault ? No child shd go hungry? Surely u can see that? X

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex

I suspect its because there's are common and widely held misconceptions about people who qualify for free school meals for their children. Coupled with a desire to see private business profit.

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex

Ironic really

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over a year ago

"I wonder if the highlights of the food package will finally get the free school meals quality in schools changed, Jamie Oliver has tried for years with no success, maybe this time it work

Yes I've seen it. a lot of people abuse the system and want everything for free. A lot of people say they can't afford to feed the kids but they can afford the latest iPhone and the Sky TV.

Unfortunately there will allways b these kind of parents have witnessed it myself ! But it's not the childs fault ? No child shd go hungry? Surely u can see that? X"

I understand what you are saying but most of them wouldn't go hungry .

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"Ironic really"

It is.

Complaining about people playing the system while happily being ripped off themselves.

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By *andyfloss2000Woman
over a year ago

ashford

"I wonder if the highlights of the food package will finally get the free school meals quality in schools changed, Jamie Oliver has tried for years with no success, maybe this time it work

Yes I've seen it. a lot of people abuse the system and want everything for free. A lot of people say they can't afford to feed the kids but they can afford the latest iPhone and the Sky TV.

Unfortunately there will allways b these kind of parents have witnessed it myself ! But it's not the childs fault ? No child shd go hungry? Surely u can see that? X

I understand what you are saying but most of them wouldn't go hungry . "

Most? What about them that will? X

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex

"I wonder if the highlights of the food package will finally get the free school meals quality in schools changed, Jamie Oliver has tried for years with no success, maybe this time it work

Yes I've seen it. a lot of people abuse the system and want everything for free. A lot of people say they can't afford to feed the kids but they can afford the latest iPhone and the Sky TV.

Unfortunately there will allways b these kind of parents have witnessed it myself ! But it's not the childs fault ? No child shd go hungry? Surely u can see that? X

I understand what you are saying but most of them wouldn't go hungry . "

When we were entitled to free school meals for our children they wouldn't have gone hungry but it made the rest of our life a great deal easier. It freed up money that we could spend in other areas. At that time free meals were just available in term time. We were lucky, we had family who supported us in various ways too. The majority of people entitled to meals for their children are not work why wasters who spend the money on wide screen tv's, phones, drink and cigarettes.

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

I love the way people also use the wide screen tv argument..all teles are widescreen now..they dont sell 10 inch black and white models anymore.

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By *ynonvalleyboyMan
over a year ago

merthyr

Liked the way the mother had what look like brand-new fake nails, but cannot feed her kid

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"Liked the way the mother had what look like brand-new fake nails, but cannot feed her kid "

What mother?

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By *andyfloss2000Woman
over a year ago

ashford

"Liked the way the mother had what look like brand-new fake nails, but cannot feed her kid "

Again not kids fault? X

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By *andyfloss2000Woman
over a year ago

ashford

"Liked the way the mother had what look like brand-new fake nails, but cannot feed her kid "

What u have to remember it's not the kids fault if the parent spends the money on shit instead of food! That's why it's good they dont send vouchers if its food much better! But that food has to b fit for purpose! I was a school cook for 9 years and was told by the outside company when there were regular offenders of not paying so not even the free meal pupils if no money this week no meal! I said not on my watch if they have no pack up they will get fed! To which they said I get disapaplinery I said u go for it! No kid is going without food x

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"Liked the way the mother had what look like brand-new fake nails, but cannot feed her kid "

So the child should go hungry?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The thing is, the vouchers should not be allowed to buy booze and fags, just food. That would allow some leeway in what food you buy, rather than "here's a potato and some beans, that's what you are eating". £30 quid (if that's the figure) can buy a lot of food, certainly more than in that picture that's doing the rounds

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"The thing is, the vouchers should not be allowed to buy booze and fags, just food. That would allow some leeway in what food you buy, rather than "here's a potato and some beans, that's what you are eating". £30 quid (if that's the figure) can buy a lot of food, certainly more than in that picture that's doing the rounds "

I'm fairly sure you cant use them for booze or ciggies.

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

Yeah they already thought of that and the vouchers they had, worked accordingly.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Liked the way the mother had what look like brand-new fake nails, but cannot feed her kid

So the child should go hungry?"

The child won't be going hungry it's the parents just trying to get something for free

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"Liked the way the mother had what look like brand-new fake nails, but cannot feed her kid

So the child should go hungry?

The child won't be going hungry it's the parents just trying to get something for free "

If a child has been deemed eligible for food, the child should be fed. I don't care if the parents are saints or sinners.

Hungry child. Feed child.

It's not the child's fault that they're in this position, and the only person you punish by taking this away is the child.

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By *andyfloss2000Woman
over a year ago

ashford

"Liked the way the mother had what look like brand-new fake nails, but cannot feed her kid

So the child should go hungry?

The child won't be going hungry it's the parents just trying to get something for free "

Ohh my where is the face palm emoji??

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

The thing that gets me is how quick people are so judgemental on the parents on this fags,booze,widescreen TVs and bloody fake nails.

These kids will probably lived in poverty for around a year now...just through covid. Many maybe a lot longer.

We set a lot of store in our kids as they are our future, making sure they are feed right should be high up there...especially when we bang on about not shutting schools as it will be detrimental to the most disadvantaged kids. The government need to give the vouchers direct to the kids family.

No TVs fags booze or even false nails can be bought off a food voucher.

Also those on here who find reasons to call the parents on here to justify that kids go hungry need to give their bloidy heads a good shake.

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"The thing that gets me is how quick people are so judgemental on the parents on this fags,booze,widescreen TVs and bloody fake nails.

These kids will probably lived in poverty for around a year now...just through covid. Many maybe a lot longer.

No TVs fags booze or even false nails can be bought off a food voucher.

Also those on here who find reasons to call the parents on here to justify that kids go hungry need to give their bloidy heads a good shake."

Absolutely.

Stuff like this is a safety net for children. Including, if necessary, from idiot parents. (But not just that, and probably not even mostly that)

The child is by definition not to blame. I hate that this is a thing. They're vulnerable. They can't fend for themselves. Feed them.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Liked the way the mother had what look like brand-new fake nails, but cannot feed her kid

So the child should go hungry?

The child won't be going hungry it's the parents just trying to get something for free "

Know them well do you?!

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"The thing that gets me is how quick people are so judgemental on the parents on this fags,booze,widescreen TVs and bloody fake nails.

These kids will probably lived in poverty for around a year now...just through covid. Many maybe a lot longer.

No TVs fags booze or even false nails can be bought off a food voucher.

Also those on here who find reasons to call the parents on here to justify that kids go hungry need to give their bloidy heads a good shake.

Absolutely.

Stuff like this is a safety net for children. Including, if necessary, from idiot parents. (But not just that, and probably not even mostly that)

The child is by definition not to blame. I hate that this is a thing. They're vulnerable. They can't fend for themselves. Feed them. "

A lack of education combined with a lack of compassion dont make a great combination.

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex

"Liked the way the mother had what look like brand-new fake nails, but cannot feed her kid "

The thing is we don't know the situation.

It's true she might have thought "haha I'm getting free lunches for my kids, I'll spend the money on getting my nails done"

Or someone might have given them to her as a gift or since nail bars are actually closed at the moment she might have done them herself, it's possible that she's a beautician who finds herself out of work.

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By *lym4realCouple
over a year ago

plymouth

Well the only surprise is that anyone is surprised ?? or they must have been living in another country from us for the last 9 odd years ??? but until it affects the so called working hard plucky Brits ( jams) and they have to experience the full horror of universal credit and lack of just about anything that they might need to survive ..nowt will change and even then with a 80 seat majority ??

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By *andyfloss2000Woman
over a year ago

ashford

I'm fairly sure you cant use them for booze or ciggies."

Afraid u can x

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"Liked the way the mother had what look like brand-new fake nails, but cannot feed her kid

The thing is we don't know the situation.

It's true she might have thought "haha I'm getting free lunches for my kids, I'll spend the money on getting my nails done"

It could be an advertisement for her business, which she can't do at the moment because of lockdown. Images on Instagram, carefully curated, of an impeccably planned business currently thrown off course.

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

I'm fairly sure you cant use them for booze or ciggies.

Afraid u can x"

The guidelines say they cant be used for any age related products?

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By *andyfloss2000Woman
over a year ago

ashford

I'm fairly sure you cant use them for booze or ciggies.

Afraid u can x

The guidelines say they cant be used for any age related products?"

Yes it does say that but u actually can and people do x

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By *icecouple561Couple
Forum Mod
over a year ago

East Sussex

I'm fairly sure you cant use them for booze or ciggies.

Afraid u can x

The guidelines say they cant be used for any age related products?

Yes it does say that but u actually can and people do x"

How prevalent is it?

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

I'm fairly sure you cant use them for booze or ciggies.

Afraid u can x

The guidelines say they cant be used for any age related products?

Yes it does say that but u actually can and people do x"

So how would you make sure the kids get fed?

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By *andyfloss2000Woman
over a year ago

ashford

I'm fairly sure you cant use them for booze or ciggies.

Afraid u can x

The guidelines say they cant be used for any age related products?

Yes it does say that but u actually can and people do x"

Some have used them on lottery tickets as well x

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

If there's a problem with eligibility criteria and enforcement, work on those.

In the meantime, we can feed hungry kids. And then we can keep feeding hungry kids.

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By *icecouple561Couple
Forum Mod
over a year ago

East Sussex

I'm fairly sure you cant use them for booze or ciggies.

Afraid u can x

The guidelines say they cant be used for any age related products?

Yes it does say that but u actually can and people do x

So how would you make sure the kids get fed?"

I don't think you can ever make any system completely proof against misuse by someone.

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By *icecouple561Couple
Forum Mod
over a year ago

East Sussex

I'm fairly sure you cant use them for booze or ciggies.

Afraid u can x

The guidelines say they cant be used for any age related products?

Yes it does say that but u actually can and people do x

So how would you make sure the kids get fed?"

Work house!

That's not a serious suggestion...

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

I'm fairly sure you cant use them for booze or ciggies.

Afraid u can x

The guidelines say they cant be used for any age related products?

Yes it does say that but u actually can and people do x

So how would you make sure the kids get fed?

I don't think you can ever make any system completely proof against misuse by someone."

Yes.

How many kids is it acceptable to go hungry, versus how many instances of abuse?

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

I'm fairly sure you cant use them for booze or ciggies.

Afraid u can x

The guidelines say they cant be used for any age related products?

Yes it does say that but u actually can and people do x

Some have used them on lottery tickets as well x"

That's down to the shopkeeper, who should get hammered if caught out.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Nothing new there at all. This generally how many businesses operate and have been doing so for decades.

I'm just more surprised at how people seem so shocked about it.

Most people just ignore it until it effects themselves, till it does it just continues under the blanket of acceptable extorssion."

Completely agree. Always surprises me when people are shocked at a government fucking them over. Until it lands on their doorstep most don’t care. We’re all fundamentally selfish and always will be no matter how hard we try.

I’m really hoping local elections aren’t cancelled in May. Fingers crossed it’s a massacre of tories. Speak with your vote.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

I'm fairly sure you cant use them for booze or ciggies.

Afraid u can x

The guidelines say they cant be used for any age related products?

Yes it does say that but u actually can and people do x

So how would you make sure the kids get fed?

Work house!

That's not a serious suggestion..."

Thank God

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By *icecouple561Couple
Forum Mod
over a year ago

East Sussex

I'm fairly sure you cant use them for booze or ciggies.

Afraid u can x

The guidelines say they cant be used for any age related products?

Yes it does say that but u actually can and people do x

So how would you make sure the kids get fed?

I don't think you can ever make any system completely proof against misuse by someone.

Yes.

How many kids is it acceptable to go hungry, versus how many instances of abuse?"

Zero kids in my opinion but I'm a looney, liberal, softy southener who believes that kids need a chance in life regardless of their parents failings.

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By *andyfloss2000Woman
over a year ago

ashford

I'm fairly sure you cant use them for booze or ciggies.

Afraid u can x

The guidelines say they cant be used for any age related products?

Yes it does say that but u actually can and people do x

So how would you make sure the kids get fed?"

The food parcels but obviously not the crap shite they sending out at mo needs to b up to standard! X

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

I'm fairly sure you cant use them for booze or ciggies.

Afraid u can x

The guidelines say they cant be used for any age related products?

Yes it does say that but u actually can and people do x

So how would you make sure the kids get fed?

I don't think you can ever make any system completely proof against misuse by someone.

Yes.

How many kids is it acceptable to go hungry, versus how many instances of abuse?

Zero kids in my opinion but I'm a looney, liberal, softy southener who believes that kids need a chance in life regardless of their parents failings.

Same.

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By *icecouple561Couple
Forum Mod
over a year ago

East Sussex

I'm fairly sure you cant use them for booze or ciggies.

Afraid u can x

The guidelines say they cant be used for any age related products?

Yes it does say that but u actually can and people do x

So how would you make sure the kids get fed?

Work house!

That's not a serious suggestion...

Thank God

I had to say that because I reckon some people would welcome a return of them

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm fairly sure you cant use them for booze or ciggies.

Afraid u can x

The guidelines say they cant be used for any age related products?

Yes it does say that but u actually can and people do x

Some have used them on lottery tickets as well x"

So fucking what? A small amount of people that qualify for these vouchers behave like dickheads (and it is a small amount)... Why should the rest suffer?!? I have heard enough people saying the same about people not following lockdown and it so unfair that they have to because others aren't, so what's the bloody difference?!?

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By *andyfloss2000Woman
over a year ago

ashford

I'm fairly sure you cant use them for booze or ciggies.

Afraid u can x

The guidelines say they cant be used for any age related products?

Yes it does say that but u actually can and people do x

So how would you make sure the kids get fed?

I don't think you can ever make any system completely proof against misuse by someone.

Yes.

How many kids is it acceptable to go hungry, versus how many instances of abuse?

Zero kids in my opinion but I'm a looney, liberal, softy southener who believes that kids need a chance in life regardless of their parents failings.

Exactly! They all deserve that! X

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

I think vouchers are the way forward, maximum choice and dignity, allowing for culture, preference, allergies, etc.

If there are problems stopping the vouchers being used on banned items, quadruple the fines for shopkeepers.

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By *andyfloss2000Woman
over a year ago

ashford

I'm fairly sure you cant use them for booze or ciggies.

Afraid u can x

The guidelines say they cant be used for any age related products?

Yes it does say that but u actually can and people do x

Some have used them on lottery tickets as well x

I dont think anyone is saying kids should suffer? X

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By *icecouple561Couple
Forum Mod
over a year ago

East Sussex

There's a certain irony in a thread started about the abuse of a system by its providers has resulted in arguments about the abuse of a system by its users. Almost as if it's acceptable for the providers to abuse their position.

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

I'm fairly sure you cant use them for booze or ciggies.

Afraid u can x

The guidelines say they cant be used for any age related products?

Yes it does say that but u actually can and people do x

Some have used them on lottery tickets as well x

A small proportion of parents are idiots and the system isn't failsafe enough, so children should go hungry.

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"There's a certain irony in a thread started about the abuse of a system by its providers has resulted in arguments about the abuse of a system by its users. Almost as if it's acceptable for the providers to abuse their position."

It seems to be the nature of political discourse at the moment.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm fairly sure you cant use them for booze or ciggies.

Afraid u can x

The guidelines say they cant be used for any age related products?

Yes it does say that but u actually can and people do x

So how would you make sure the kids get fed?

The food parcels but obviously not the crap shite they sending out at mo needs to b up to standard! X"

Ok, so, you have a kid with learning difficulties of some sort... Will only eat from a list of 5 things and none are in this poxy box.... The boxes are great but not for everyone... They contain gluten, dairy, sugar... Blah blah blah... Give them a fucking voucher if that is better for them... I can guarantee it is for most!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I think vouchers are the way forward, maximum choice and dignity, allowing for culture, preference, allergies, etc.

If there are problems stopping the vouchers being used on banned items, quadruple the fines for shopkeepers."

I used to use my milk tokens in tesco because they let me use them towards my other shopping... It's often down to the cashier tho... This was nearly 30 years ago though

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"If there's a problem with eligibility criteria and enforcement, work on those.

In the meantime, we can feed hungry kids. And then we can keep feeding hungry kids."

If there are guidelines saying that cannot be used for alcohol etc..why are they being served?

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

I'm fairly sure you cant use them for booze or ciggies.

Afraid u can x

The guidelines say they cant be used for any age related products?

Yes it does say that but u actually can and people do x

So how would you make sure the kids get fed?

The food parcels but obviously not the crap shite they sending out at mo needs to b up to standard! X"

They have been proved not to work...I seen some government spokesman say on tv that off course they cant be expected to give £15s worth of food because they have there distribution costs.

So the best way to give the full amount via a voucher to stop big business spending a cut of the kids money to get a 100 inch widescreen tv and a stash of top notch champagne and caviar.

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By *pursChick aka ShortieWoman
over a year ago

On a mooch

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over a year ago

liverpool

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By *icecouple561Couple
Forum Mod
over a year ago

East Sussex

I'm fairly sure you cant use them for booze or ciggies.

Afraid u can x

The guidelines say they cant be used for any age related products?

Yes it does say that but u actually can and people do x

So how would you make sure the kids get fed?

The food parcels but obviously not the crap shite they sending out at mo needs to b up to standard! X

They have been proved not to work...I seen some government spokesman say on tv that off course they cant be expected to give £15s worth of food because they have there distribution costs.

So the best way to give the full amount via a voucher to stop big business spending a cut of the kids money to get a 100 inch widescreen tv and a stash of top notch champagne and caviar. "

And there we have it.

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By *andyfloss2000Woman
over a year ago

ashford

I'm fairly sure you cant use them for booze or ciggies.

Afraid u can x

The guidelines say they cant be used for any age related products?

Yes it does say that but u actually can and people do x

So how would you make sure the kids get fed?

The food parcels but obviously not the crap shite they sending out at mo needs to b up to standard! X

Not sure how they police what they put in them tbh but as a school cook we catered for celiacs/lactose intolerant etc., whether they do in the boxes have no idea! As for ones that wouldn't eat certain things no we didnt cater for those in kitchen I worked x

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

I'm fairly sure you cant use them for booze or ciggies.

Afraid u can x

The guidelines say they cant be used for any age related products?

Yes it does say that but u actually can and people do x

So how would you make sure the kids get fed?

The food parcels but obviously not the crap shite they sending out at mo needs to b up to standard! X

They have been proved not to work...I seen some government spokesman say on tv that off course they cant be expected to give £15s worth of food because they have there distribution costs.

So the best way to give the full amount via a voucher to stop big business spending a cut of the kids money to get a 100 inch widescreen tv and a stash of top notch champagne and caviar. "

Hancock was eviscerated this morning by morgan.

The political angle,ie the company being a Tory donor, has gone under the radar somewhat.

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By *eavenscentitCouple
over a year ago

barnstaple

In some shops it states the vouchers cannot be used for cigarettes or alcohol at the tills.

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By *icecouple561Couple
Forum Mod
over a year ago

East Sussex

"In some shops it states the vouchers cannot be used for cigarettes or alcohol at the tills."

I guess there will always be a corner shop willing to exchange vouchers for fags and say they exchanged them for food.

It's not the same but Mr N used to work for a company that allowed him to claim for a takeaway on expenses if he was home later than 7pm. We got chatting to the owner of one of the restaurants as we were in there so often and he said if we let him know he'd provide a meal in the restaurant and include a bottle of wine and make a receipt out for a take away without the wine on it. We didn't take him up on his offer but it would have been very easy to.

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"I think vouchers are the way forward, maximum choice and dignity, allowing for culture, preference, allergies, etc.

If there are problems stopping the vouchers being used on banned items, quadruple the fines for shopkeepers.

I used to use my milk tokens in tesco because they let me use them towards my other shopping... It's often down to the cashier tho... This was nearly 30 years ago though"

Given the technology we have now, this should be a piece of piss to enforce, at least in major retailers. If the barcode triggers an age check, you need to buy that thing in a separate transaction. Any returns must be in the form of government voucher, not cash.

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By *ecretlivesCouple
over a year ago

FABWatch HQ

It seems to be the nature of political discourse at the moment. "

Was it ever thus? displacement, distraction, division. As Sir Humphrey would say the best way to stop a policy was "Tackle the man not the ball Minister"

Of course Fab has more than its fair share of Kilkenny Cats that don't need any help from politicians.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I think vouchers are the way forward, maximum choice and dignity, allowing for culture, preference, allergies, etc.

If there are problems stopping the vouchers being used on banned items, quadruple the fines for shopkeepers.

I used to use my milk tokens in tesco because they let me use them towards my other shopping... It's often down to the cashier tho... This was nearly 30 years ago though

I never attempted to buy fags or booze with mine but I agree... It's really not difficult

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

It seems to be the nature of political discourse at the moment.

Was it ever thus? displacement, distraction, division. As Sir Humphrey would say the best way to stop a policy was "Tackle the man not the ball Minister"

Of course Fab has more than its fair share of Kilkenny Cats that don't need any help from politicians.

What's a kilkenny cat?

Never heard that phrase before!

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By *ugby 123Couple
Forum Mod
over a year ago

O o O oo

Give the vouchers to the schools to give out, if they think they have a family that they think won't spend the money on food, then order a food parcel from a supermarket to get sent to the house

Some schools did this in the last lock down

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By *os19Man
over a year ago

Edmonton

Having read today’s Metro newspaper there is no way that is £30 worth of food no more than £8 I would say.Some of the comments I have seen on this thread talk about a food voucher been used for cigarettes and booze if that’s the case then may instead of shops and supermarket accepting them perhaps the food bank could take on that role.

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over a year ago

"Give the vouchers to the schools to give out, if they think they have a family that they think won't spend the money on food, then order a food parcel from a supermarket to get sent to the house

Some schools did this in the last lock down"

A proper solution!

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By *ionelhutzMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"Having read today’s Metro newspaper there is no way that is £30 worth of food no more than £8 I would say.Some of the comments I have seen on this thread talk about a food voucher been used for cigarettes and booze if that’s the case then may instead of shops and supermarket accepting them perhaps the food bank could take on that role."

I think it was estimated at a fiver.

As has been mentioned,it cant be rocket science to devise a system where vouchers are just used for food.

I think the food banks are already struggling.

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