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"Someone with Autistic Spectrum Disorder, who was attacked, forced to endure the most horrific physical and sexual assaults imaginable, whilst kept blindfolded, suffering recurrent PTSD symptoms since, should, for example, not have to justify their need for lifesaving treatment. They should be permitted to receive the most humane care that they wish to have, whilst consciously understanding their choices and given full respect from us all. That person is amongst us and we should consider everything that we say, to ensure that we are mindful and respectful of how we may impact on their wellbeing. " Yes. I couldn't articulate it clearly enough. Do people have to relive their trauma, for example, in order to feed themselves? Is that really acceptable? | |||
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"Someone with Autistic Spectrum Disorder, who was attacked, forced to endure the most horrific physical and sexual assaults imaginable, whilst kept blindfolded, suffering recurrent PTSD symptoms since, should, for example, not have to justify their need for lifesaving treatment. They should be permitted to receive the most humane care that they wish to have, whilst consciously understanding their choices and given full respect from us all. That person is amongst us and we should consider everything that we say, to ensure that we are mindful and respectful of how we may impact on their wellbeing. Yes. I couldn't articulate it clearly enough. Do people have to relive their trauma, for example, in order to feed themselves? Is that really acceptable?" We're getting to the point where most are minimally comfortable but many are happy to project their unhappiness onto others, without general or any consideration for how others may be different from them. We have a duty of care for each other and this will often mean that we are best to stand up for each other, as our default stance, even if we view the world as being made up of us and 'others'. | |||
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"Someone with Autistic Spectrum Disorder, who was attacked, forced to endure the most horrific physical and sexual assaults imaginable, whilst kept blindfolded, suffering recurrent PTSD symptoms since, should, for example, not have to justify their need for lifesaving treatment. They should be permitted to receive the most humane care that they wish to have, whilst consciously understanding their choices and given full respect from us all. That person is amongst us and we should consider everything that we say, to ensure that we are mindful and respectful of how we may impact on their wellbeing. Yes. I couldn't articulate it clearly enough. Do people have to relive their trauma, for example, in order to feed themselves? Is that really acceptable? We're getting to the point where most are minimally comfortable but many are happy to project their unhappiness onto others, without general or any consideration for how others may be different from them. We have a duty of care for each other and this will often mean that we are best to stand up for each other, as our default stance, even if we view the world as being made up of us and 'others'. " Yes. I'm doing my best. I'm doing everything in my power. | |||
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"Someone with Autistic Spectrum Disorder, who was attacked, forced to endure the most horrific physical and sexual assaults imaginable, whilst kept blindfolded, suffering recurrent PTSD symptoms since, should, for example, not have to justify their need for lifesaving treatment. They should be permitted to receive the most humane care that they wish to have, whilst consciously understanding their choices and given full respect from us all. That person is amongst us and we should consider everything that we say, to ensure that we are mindful and respectful of how we may impact on their wellbeing. Yes. I couldn't articulate it clearly enough. Do people have to relive their trauma, for example, in order to feed themselves? Is that really acceptable?" It's not just to feed themselves is it? We are been told over and over and by the science that Masks offer little protection to the wearer but significant protection to other people around you. Therefore wearing a mask saves lives its as simple as that really. That's why is such an emotive issue its not because because are against the disabled or mask exempt its because they don't want their life to be sacrificed so somebody else can leave the house to do their own shopping. Option 1 - To ask mask exempt to stay away from public places that are known vectors for transmission to potentially SAVE THE LIVES of people they may infect. Until infection rates get back under control. Option 2 - To allow people Mask Exempt to shop freely without a mask in high transmission enviroments such as supermarkets. Accept that this will ultimately cost some other people their lives but those lives sacrificed to allow mask exempt people to be able to shop and not feel / be discrimiated against is the price that has to be paid. Those are the options effectively right? My Local authority has dedicated teams that support those who are mask exempt and those that for whatever reason can't leave the house. Free Services provided include providing personal shopping collectors, food parcel deliveries, staff to go collect prescriptions and much more. There's even a women's health project to ensure woman get personal items delivered by a female staff member. Also supporting this furloughed staff are in volunteering to man a support call centre for all residents who need any help whatsoever even if its just to have a chat to another human for a bit. I have spent a lot of time myself since March supporting all of the above. I can appreciate not all local authority services are equal but for the sake of a few months I believe all areas can follow suit. If the goverment said to reduce infection we need to keep mask exempt out of public places and can only do that with the publics help. Many many people would step forward to assist. I know because its happened in our area. When many people who have lost businesses that took decades to build and they are told sorry but it saved lives so it was a fair price to pay then surely to not shop in public (as long as you are fully supported) to again save lives is also a fair price to pay. KJ | |||
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"I highly doubt any local authority has a dedicated team of people who are shopping for mask exempt people. Local authorities have a dedicated team of people looking after those who are clinically vulnerable and being mask exempt does not mean you are clinically vulnerable. If someone was to contact their local authority and say they need help with shopping because they are mask exempt they are likely to be told they are able to do their shopping themselves because people who are mask exempt have not been asked to stay indoors. The only people that have been asked to stay indoors our shield as or anybody who has symptoms, Has tested positive or been asked to self isolate." I really can't imagine any local authority being able to handle that. Mine can't handle the need they've got  | |||
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"I don't think forcing people into depending on services stretched to breaking point is acceptable. Telling them they can't go out. Due to a characteristic they can't help. BAME people are much more likely to contract the virus and need hospital. It'd be in the national interest to tell them not to go out, yes?" I don't know your area or who you work for and also home much input your local authority has. In my area there was a massive campaign at the start of April that saw leaflets delivered to every resident. One side offered the services the other side was how to get involved. On the back of that the sheer volume of people wanting to volunteer was overwhelming and we had to bring a volunteering charity in to set up a database and manage it. The response was such that we couldn't come close to accommodating everyone who wanted to volunteer. It meant we could have rota systems and if anybody dropped out there's a list of people ready to fill their place. I believe that could be replicated by other local authorities. KJ | |||
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"I highly doubt any local authority has a dedicated team of people who are shopping for mask exempt people. Local authorities have a dedicated team of people looking after those who are clinically vulnerable and being mask exempt does not mean you are clinically vulnerable. If someone was to contact their local authority and say they need help with shopping because they are mask exempt they are likely to be told they are able to do their shopping themselves because people who are mask exempt have not been asked to stay indoors. The only people that have been asked to stay indoors our shield as or anybody who has symptoms, Has tested positive or been asked to self isolate." If you contact me with your email I am very happy to send some of the offical leaflets and info packs relating to all the different services offered in our area. KJ | |||
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"I don't think forcing people into depending on services stretched to breaking point is acceptable. Telling them they can't go out. Due to a characteristic they can't help. BAME people are much more likely to contract the virus and need hospital. It'd be in the national interest to tell them not to go out, yes? I don't know your area or who you work for and also home much input your local authority has. In my area there was a massive campaign at the start of April that saw leaflets delivered to every resident. One side offered the services the other side was how to get involved. On the back of that the sheer volume of people wanting to volunteer was overwhelming and we had to bring a volunteering charity in to set up a database and manage it. The response was such that we couldn't come close to accommodating everyone who wanted to volunteer. It meant we could have rota systems and if anybody dropped out there's a list of people ready to fill their place. I believe that could be replicated by other local authorities. KJ" There was a huge rally in my area too, but it died off quickly. I'm a long term volunteer (almost 5 years) for a relevant charity and we struggle meeting the needs of the clinically vulnerable. Mask exempt would be a lot more people and we'd be utterly overwhelmed. We're stretched to breaking point as it is... even if it is acceptable to tell people that they must sacrifice their independence or mobility. | |||
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"People who can't wear masks can still wear face shields" No they cannot in some situations and nor are they being asked to. There is no such thing as mask exempt it is face covering exempt. | |||
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"I don't think forcing people into depending on services stretched to breaking point is acceptable. Telling them they can't go out. Due to a characteristic they can't help. BAME people are much more likely to contract the virus and need hospital. It'd be in the national interest to tell them not to go out, yes? I don't know your area or who you work for and also home much input your local authority has. In my area there was a massive campaign at the start of April that saw leaflets delivered to every resident. One side offered the services the other side was how to get involved. On the back of that the sheer volume of people wanting to volunteer was overwhelming and we had to bring a volunteering charity in to set up a database and manage it. The response was such that we couldn't come close to accommodating everyone who wanted to volunteer. It meant we could have rota systems and if anybody dropped out there's a list of people ready to fill their place. I believe that could be replicated by other local authorities. KJ" Yeah, my local authority have NOT done that at all! On Thursday, I'll be taking a fortnight's shopping to one of my mates from wheelchair basketball who has an upper limb issue so struggles with shopping anyway and who is now required to shield again. He's supposed to get priority supermarket slots (nope, can't book any for two weeks) and his requests to the local authority resulted in a haphazard, random, occasional delivery of nothing much. He has two children (6 and 8) who he shares care with on a rota basis, but the LA won't supply enough food for him AND his kids, because their home (with mum) is in another borough and they go to school in another borough AND his ex gets the Child Benefit. Anyways, thank goodness my brother works in Aldi! We send him the list, I PayPal my bro the money and he will deliver into my car boot at the end of his shift. Then, I will have to wheelchair myself into the home of another wheelchair user, because he can't pick up the bags from the drive. Before someone asks who normally does his shopping before Covid - answer is his parents, in their 70/80s and so they are shielding too. I've been helping him throughout the pandemic, though the supermarket deliveries improved in the summer etc. | |||
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"I highly doubt any local authority has a dedicated team of people who are shopping for mask exempt people. Local authorities have a dedicated team of people looking after those who are clinically vulnerable and being mask exempt does not mean you are clinically vulnerable. If someone was to contact their local authority and say they need help with shopping because they are mask exempt they are likely to be told they are able to do their shopping themselves because people who are mask exempt have not been asked to stay indoors. The only people that have been asked to stay indoors our shield as or anybody who has symptoms, Has tested positive or been asked to self isolate. If you contact me with your email I am very happy to send some of the offical leaflets and info packs relating to all the different services offered in our area. KJ" I am not giving you my personal details! So your local authority is giving out leaflets Telling people who are masked exempt to stay-at-home and to use the services provided? | |||
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"I don't think forcing people into depending on services stretched to breaking point is acceptable. Telling them they can't go out. Due to a characteristic they can't help. BAME people are much more likely to contract the virus and need hospital. It'd be in the national interest to tell them not to go out, yes? I don't know your area or who you work for and also home much input your local authority has. In my area there was a massive campaign at the start of April that saw leaflets delivered to every resident. One side offered the services the other side was how to get involved. On the back of that the sheer volume of people wanting to volunteer was overwhelming and we had to bring a volunteering charity in to set up a database and manage it. The response was such that we couldn't come close to accommodating everyone who wanted to volunteer. It meant we could have rota systems and if anybody dropped out there's a list of people ready to fill their place. I believe that could be replicated by other local authorities. KJ There was a huge rally in my area too, but it died off quickly. I'm a long term volunteer (almost 5 years) for a relevant charity and we struggle meeting the needs of the clinically vulnerable. Mask exempt would be a lot more people and we'd be utterly overwhelmed. We're stretched to breaking point as it is... even if it is acceptable to tell people that they must sacrifice their independence or mobility." Thanks for the info I am acutely aware in the many differences in local authorities. Sadly it can come down to the opinions of a department manager. Ours had the will, motivation to move mountains to help our residents, his personality is a force of nature and he most definitely galvanized many staff to help the cause who would have normally just been happy to safely work from home. The flip side is I've seen departments lead by managers who have not been seen since March 2020 and the staff below effectively follow suit. If the national political will was there and it was mandated down to all the local authorities i.e. this is what the goverment expects of you then maybe a bigger difference could be made. KJ | |||
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"I highly doubt any local authority has a dedicated team of people who are shopping for mask exempt people. Local authorities have a dedicated team of people looking after those who are clinically vulnerable and being mask exempt does not mean you are clinically vulnerable. If someone was to contact their local authority and say they need help with shopping because they are mask exempt they are likely to be told they are able to do their shopping themselves because people who are mask exempt have not been asked to stay indoors. The only people that have been asked to stay indoors our shield as or anybody who has symptoms, Has tested positive or been asked to self isolate." I'm clinically extremely vulnerable who cant shield...but the council contacted me 6 weeks after getting my letter asking if I needed any shopping. I declined as I would have starved to death if waiting for someone to get me food in the last six weeks 
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"I highly doubt any local authority has a dedicated team of people who are shopping for mask exempt people. Local authorities have a dedicated team of people looking after those who are clinically vulnerable and being mask exempt does not mean you are clinically vulnerable. If someone was to contact their local authority and say they need help with shopping because they are mask exempt they are likely to be told they are able to do their shopping themselves because people who are mask exempt have not been asked to stay indoors. The only people that have been asked to stay indoors our shield as or anybody who has symptoms, Has tested positive or been asked to self isolate. I'm clinically extremely vulnerable who cant shield...but the council contacted me 6 weeks after getting my letter asking if I needed any shopping. I declined as I would have starved to death if waiting for someone to get me food in the last six weeks
So I doubt they would be taking anyone on when they couldn't cope with what they had on their "CEV" register "Quite. My council is struggling with CEV, let alone somewhat vulnerable, let alone probably fine but old, let alone "can't wear a mask". | |||
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"I highly doubt any local authority has a dedicated team of people who are shopping for mask exempt people. Local authorities have a dedicated team of people looking after those who are clinically vulnerable and being mask exempt does not mean you are clinically vulnerable. If someone was to contact their local authority and say they need help with shopping because they are mask exempt they are likely to be told they are able to do their shopping themselves because people who are mask exempt have not been asked to stay indoors. The only people that have been asked to stay indoors our shield as or anybody who has symptoms, Has tested positive or been asked to self isolate. If you contact me with your email I am very happy to send some of the offical leaflets and info packs relating to all the different services offered in our area. KJ I am not giving you my personal details! So your local authority is giving out leaflets Telling people who are masked exempt to stay-at-home and to use the services provided? " When is an email address classes as personal / secure details. You called me a liar and I offered to prove what I was saying. Regarding what you just said where did I say that? Please show me? No I said our local authority from the start of the pandemic had been on the front foot to ensure that anyone who can't (lets put mask exempt aside there are a lot of people for various reasons who can't.. the sheilding groups for starters) and also anyone who doesn't want to take the risk to themselves and to others doesn't need to (which can include those who can't wear a mask). KJ | |||
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"I highly doubt any local authority has a dedicated team of people who are shopping for mask exempt people. Local authorities have a dedicated team of people looking after those who are clinically vulnerable and being mask exempt does not mean you are clinically vulnerable. If someone was to contact their local authority and say they need help with shopping because they are mask exempt they are likely to be told they are able to do their shopping themselves because people who are mask exempt have not been asked to stay indoors. The only people that have been asked to stay indoors our shield as or anybody who has symptoms, Has tested positive or been asked to self isolate. I'm clinically extremely vulnerable who cant shield...but the council contacted me 6 weeks after getting my letter asking if I needed any shopping. I declined as I would have starved to death if waiting for someone to get me food in the last six weeks
So I doubt they would be taking anyone on when they couldn't cope with what they had on their "CEV" register "The goverment food parcels in lockdown 1 for the shielding group were badly delayed no doubt. Our authority purchased 10,000 emergency food parcels and delivered them directly to act as stop gaps for our shielders until the ones from central ones goverment came through. My terminally ill father is under a different authority and sadly got no such help like you it was about 6 weeks before he was contacted to get his 1st food parcel organised through central goverment. KJ | |||
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"I highly doubt any local authority has a dedicated team of people who are shopping for mask exempt people. Local authorities have a dedicated team of people looking after those who are clinically vulnerable and being mask exempt does not mean you are clinically vulnerable. If someone was to contact their local authority and say they need help with shopping because they are mask exempt they are likely to be told they are able to do their shopping themselves because people who are mask exempt have not been asked to stay indoors. The only people that have been asked to stay indoors our shield as or anybody who has symptoms, Has tested positive or been asked to self isolate. If you contact me with your email I am very happy to send some of the offical leaflets and info packs relating to all the different services offered in our area. KJ I am not giving you my personal details! So your local authority is giving out leaflets Telling people who are masked exempt to stay-at-home and to use the services provided? When is an email address classes as personal / secure details. You called me a liar and I offered to prove what I was saying. Regarding what you just said where did I say that? Please show me? No I said our local authority from the start of the pandemic had been on the front foot to ensure that anyone who can't (lets put mask exempt aside there are a lot of people for various reasons who can't.. the sheilding groups for starters) and also anyone who doesn't want to take the risk to themselves and to others doesn't need to (which can include those who can't wear a mask). KJ" Firstly I did not call you a liar so please do not accuse me of that at I said I was doubtful. I said I highly doubt that your local authority have specifically said they are available to help people who are mask exempt to do shopping because those people are not being asked not to go out or not to go to supermarkets. It seems that you are confusing clinically vulnerable people with people who are mask exempt. The supermarkets, Health authorities, Local authorities and the government having never asked people who are face covering exempt to stay-at-home. | |||
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"I highly doubt any local authority has a dedicated team of people who are shopping for mask exempt people. Local authorities have a dedicated team of people looking after those who are clinically vulnerable and being mask exempt does not mean you are clinically vulnerable. If someone was to contact their local authority and say they need help with shopping because they are mask exempt they are likely to be told they are able to do their shopping themselves because people who are mask exempt have not been asked to stay indoors. The only people that have been asked to stay indoors our shield as or anybody who has symptoms, Has tested positive or been asked to self isolate. If you contact me with your email I am very happy to send some of the offical leaflets and info packs relating to all the different services offered in our area. KJ I am not giving you my personal details! So your local authority is giving out leaflets Telling people who are masked exempt to stay-at-home and to use the services provided? When is an email address classes as personal / secure details. You called me a liar and I offered to prove what I was saying. Regarding what you just said where did I say that? Please show me? No I said our local authority from the start of the pandemic had been on the front foot to ensure that anyone who can't (lets put mask exempt aside there are a lot of people for various reasons who can't.. the sheilding groups for starters) and also anyone who doesn't want to take the risk to themselves and to others doesn't need to (which can include those who can't wear a mask). KJ" An email address is personal information covered under GDPR... | |||
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"I highly doubt any local authority has a dedicated team of people who are shopping for mask exempt people. Local authorities have a dedicated team of people looking after those who are clinically vulnerable and being mask exempt does not mean you are clinically vulnerable. If someone was to contact their local authority and say they need help with shopping because they are mask exempt they are likely to be told they are able to do their shopping themselves because people who are mask exempt have not been asked to stay indoors. The only people that have been asked to stay indoors our shield as or anybody who has symptoms, Has tested positive or been asked to self isolate. If you contact me with your email I am very happy to send some of the offical leaflets and info packs relating to all the different services offered in our area. KJ I am not giving you my personal details! So your local authority is giving out leaflets Telling people who are masked exempt to stay-at-home and to use the services provided? When is an email address classes as personal / secure details. You called me a liar and I offered to prove what I was saying. Regarding what you just said where did I say that? Please show me? No I said our local authority from the start of the pandemic had been on the front foot to ensure that anyone who can't (lets put mask exempt aside there are a lot of people for various reasons who can't.. the sheilding groups for starters) and also anyone who doesn't want to take the risk to themselves and to others doesn't need to (which can include those who can't wear a mask). KJ An email address is personal information covered under GDPR..." It also takes less than 3 minutes to set up a new email address to receive some documents. Regardless the point was it's not right to call somebody a liar without any proof and based purely on an opinion. Especially when the person in question is more than happy to provide proof. KJ | |||
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"I highly doubt any local authority has a dedicated team of people who are shopping for mask exempt people. Local authorities have a dedicated team of people looking after those who are clinically vulnerable and being mask exempt does not mean you are clinically vulnerable. If someone was to contact their local authority and say they need help with shopping because they are mask exempt they are likely to be told they are able to do their shopping themselves because people who are mask exempt have not been asked to stay indoors. The only people that have been asked to stay indoors our shield as or anybody who has symptoms, Has tested positive or been asked to self isolate. If you contact me with your email I am very happy to send some of the offical leaflets and info packs relating to all the different services offered in our area. KJ I am not giving you my personal details! So your local authority is giving out leaflets Telling people who are masked exempt to stay-at-home and to use the services provided? When is an email address classes as personal / secure details. You called me a liar and I offered to prove what I was saying. Regarding what you just said where did I say that? Please show me? No I said our local authority from the start of the pandemic had been on the front foot to ensure that anyone who can't (lets put mask exempt aside there are a lot of people for various reasons who can't.. the sheilding groups for starters) and also anyone who doesn't want to take the risk to themselves and to others doesn't need to (which can include those who can't wear a mask). KJ An email address is personal information covered under GDPR... It also takes less than 3 minutes to set up a new email address to receive some documents. Regardless the point was it's not right to call somebody a liar without any proof and based purely on an opinion. Especially when the person in question is more than happy to provide proof. KJ" You specifically said in a post that mask exempt people were listed. You seem to have backtracked so by all means copy and paste the wording where it specifically says face covering exempt people but I highly doubt it does. Like I said I think you have confused clinically vulnerable people with people who are mask exempt because it is not the same thing. | |||
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"I highly doubt any local authority has a dedicated team of people who are shopping for mask exempt people. Local authorities have a dedicated team of people looking after those who are clinically vulnerable and being mask exempt does not mean you are clinically vulnerable. If someone was to contact their local authority and say they need help with shopping because they are mask exempt they are likely to be told they are able to do their shopping themselves because people who are mask exempt have not been asked to stay indoors. The only people that have been asked to stay indoors our shield as or anybody who has symptoms, Has tested positive or been asked to self isolate. If you contact me with your email I am very happy to send some of the offical leaflets and info packs relating to all the different services offered in our area. KJ I am not giving you my personal details! So your local authority is giving out leaflets Telling people who are masked exempt to stay-at-home and to use the services provided? When is an email address classes as personal / secure details. You called me a liar and I offered to prove what I was saying. Regarding what you just said where did I say that? Please show me? No I said our local authority from the start of the pandemic had been on the front foot to ensure that anyone who can't (lets put mask exempt aside there are a lot of people for various reasons who can't.. the sheilding groups for starters) and also anyone who doesn't want to take the risk to themselves and to others doesn't need to (which can include those who can't wear a mask). KJ An email address is personal information covered under GDPR... It also takes less than 3 minutes to set up a new email address to receive some documents. Regardless the point was it's not right to call somebody a liar without any proof and based purely on an opinion. Especially when the person in question is more than happy to provide proof. KJ" Also Please could you quote where you have been called a lier! I said I was doubtful that is not the same as calling you a liar. | |||
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"I highly doubt any local authority has a dedicated team of people who are shopping for mask exempt people. Local authorities have a dedicated team of people looking after those who are clinically vulnerable and being mask exempt does not mean you are clinically vulnerable. If someone was to contact their local authority and say they need help with shopping because they are mask exempt they are likely to be told they are able to do their shopping themselves because people who are mask exempt have not been asked to stay indoors. The only people that have been asked to stay indoors our shield as or anybody who has symptoms, Has tested positive or been asked to self isolate. If you contact me with your email I am very happy to send some of the offical leaflets and info packs relating to all the different services offered in our area. KJ I am not giving you my personal details! So your local authority is giving out leaflets Telling people who are masked exempt to stay-at-home and to use the services provided? When is an email address classes as personal / secure details. You called me a liar and I offered to prove what I was saying. Regarding what you just said where did I say that? Please show me? No I said our local authority from the start of the pandemic had been on the front foot to ensure that anyone who can't (lets put mask exempt aside there are a lot of people for various reasons who can't.. the sheilding groups for starters) and also anyone who doesn't want to take the risk to themselves and to others doesn't need to (which can include those who can't wear a mask). KJ Firstly I did not call you a liar so please do not accuse me of that at I said I was doubtful. I said I highly doubt that your local authority have specifically said they are available to help people who are mask exempt to do shopping because those people are not being asked not to go out or not to go to supermarkets. It seems that you are confusing clinically vulnerable people with people who are mask exempt. The supermarkets, Health authorities, Local authorities and the government having never asked people who are face covering exempt to stay-at-home. " Again I never once said that our local authority was telling mask exempt people to stay at home. Again please point me to one of my posts that said that? I am also very aware of the difference between shielding groups and mask exempt people. The point is if you provide a range of services that means those who are shielding and also those mask exempt don't HAVE to go out into high transmission areas such as supermarkets then you will invariably reduce the amount of mask exempt people taking the risk of doing so. The fact that my local authority has around half the transmission rates per 100,000 people of the adjacent local authorities suggests ensuring that the right support been available makes a difference. KJ | |||
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"I highly doubt any local authority has a dedicated team of people who are shopping for mask exempt people. Local authorities have a dedicated team of people looking after those who are clinically vulnerable and being mask exempt does not mean you are clinically vulnerable. If someone was to contact their local authority and say they need help with shopping because they are mask exempt they are likely to be told they are able to do their shopping themselves because people who are mask exempt have not been asked to stay indoors. The only people that have been asked to stay indoors our shield as or anybody who has symptoms, Has tested positive or been asked to self isolate. If you contact me with your email I am very happy to send some of the offical leaflets and info packs relating to all the different services offered in our area. KJ I am not giving you my personal details! So your local authority is giving out leaflets Telling people who are masked exempt to stay-at-home and to use the services provided? When is an email address classes as personal / secure details. You called me a liar and I offered to prove what I was saying. Regarding what you just said where did I say that? Please show me? No I said our local authority from the start of the pandemic had been on the front foot to ensure that anyone who can't (lets put mask exempt aside there are a lot of people for various reasons who can't.. the sheilding groups for starters) and also anyone who doesn't want to take the risk to themselves and to others doesn't need to (which can include those who can't wear a mask). KJ Firstly I did not call you a liar so please do not accuse me of that at I said I was doubtful. I said I highly doubt that your local authority have specifically said they are available to help people who are mask exempt to do shopping because those people are not being asked not to go out or not to go to supermarkets. It seems that you are confusing clinically vulnerable people with people who are mask exempt. The supermarkets, Health authorities, Local authorities and the government having never asked people who are face covering exempt to stay-at-home. Again I never once said that our local authority was telling mask exempt people to stay at home. Again please point me to one of my posts that said that? I am also very aware of the difference between shielding groups and mask exempt people. The point is if you provide a range of services that means those who are shielding and also those mask exempt don't HAVE to go out into high transmission areas such as supermarkets then you will invariably reduce the amount of mask exempt people taking the risk of doing so. The fact that my local authority has around half the transmission rates per 100,000 people of the adjacent local authorities suggests ensuring that the right support been available makes a difference. KJ" You have totally misunderstood what I have said I didn't say that you had told or your local authority had told mask exempt people to stay-at-home I said it was highly doubtful that your local authority had sent out literature to people telling them they can get help with shopping purely for being mask exempt and you have said this several times in your posts. I'm not going to argue with you about this as I have made my point but it is best not to accuse people of calling you a liar. | |||
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"I highly doubt any local authority has a dedicated team of people who are shopping for mask exempt people. Local authorities have a dedicated team of people looking after those who are clinically vulnerable and being mask exempt does not mean you are clinically vulnerable. If someone was to contact their local authority and say they need help with shopping because they are mask exempt they are likely to be told they are able to do their shopping themselves because people who are mask exempt have not been asked to stay indoors. The only people that have been asked to stay indoors our shield as or anybody who has symptoms, Has tested positive or been asked to self isolate. If you contact me with your email I am very happy to send some of the offical leaflets and info packs relating to all the different services offered in our area. KJ I am not giving you my personal details! So your local authority is giving out leaflets Telling people who are masked exempt to stay-at-home and to use the services provided? When is an email address classes as personal / secure details. You called me a liar and I offered to prove what I was saying. Regarding what you just said where did I say that? Please show me? No I said our local authority from the start of the pandemic had been on the front foot to ensure that anyone who can't (lets put mask exempt aside there are a lot of people for various reasons who can't.. the sheilding groups for starters) and also anyone who doesn't want to take the risk to themselves and to others doesn't need to (which can include those who can't wear a mask). KJ An email address is personal information covered under GDPR... It also takes less than 3 minutes to set up a new email address to receive some documents. Regardless the point was it's not right to call somebody a liar without any proof and based purely on an opinion. Especially when the person in question is more than happy to provide proof. KJ Also Please could you quote where you have been called a lier! I said I was doubtful that is not the same as calling you a liar. " The meaning of doubting someone transitive verb. "to call into question the truth of" Either way I also offered to provide evidence to back up what I was saying. KJ | |||
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"I highly doubt any local authority has a dedicated team of people who are shopping for mask exempt people. Local authorities have a dedicated team of people looking after those who are clinically vulnerable and being mask exempt does not mean you are clinically vulnerable. If someone was to contact their local authority and say they need help with shopping because they are mask exempt they are likely to be told they are able to do their shopping themselves because people who are mask exempt have not been asked to stay indoors. The only people that have been asked to stay indoors our shield as or anybody who has symptoms, Has tested positive or been asked to self isolate. If you contact me with your email I am very happy to send some of the offical leaflets and info packs relating to all the different services offered in our area. KJ I am not giving you my personal details! So your local authority is giving out leaflets Telling people who are masked exempt to stay-at-home and to use the services provided? When is an email address classes as personal / secure details. You called me a liar and I offered to prove what I was saying. Regarding what you just said where did I say that? Please show me? No I said our local authority from the start of the pandemic had been on the front foot to ensure that anyone who can't (lets put mask exempt aside there are a lot of people for various reasons who can't.. the sheilding groups for starters) and also anyone who doesn't want to take the risk to themselves and to others doesn't need to (which can include those who can't wear a mask). KJ Firstly I did not call you a liar so please do not accuse me of that at I said I was doubtful. I said I highly doubt that your local authority have specifically said they are available to help people who are mask exempt to do shopping because those people are not being asked not to go out or not to go to supermarkets. It seems that you are confusing clinically vulnerable people with people who are mask exempt. The supermarkets, Health authorities, Local authorities and the government having never asked people who are face covering exempt to stay-at-home. Again I never once said that our local authority was telling mask exempt people to stay at home. Again please point me to one of my posts that said that? I am also very aware of the difference between shielding groups and mask exempt people. The point is if you provide a range of services that means those who are shielding and also those mask exempt don't HAVE to go out into high transmission areas such as supermarkets then you will invariably reduce the amount of mask exempt people taking the risk of doing so. The fact that my local authority has around half the transmission rates per 100,000 people of the adjacent local authorities suggests ensuring that the right support been available makes a difference. KJ You have totally misunderstood what I have said I didn't say that you had told or your local authority had told mask exempt people to stay-at-home I said it was highly doubtful that your local authority had sent out literature to people telling them they can get help with shopping purely for being mask exempt and you have said this several times in your posts. I'm not going to argue with you about this as I have made my point but it is best not to accuse people of calling you a liar." Again the offer of help and support was made to ALL residents of the local area. That includes shielders, those mask exempt, those who were simply scared of catching the virus and feared going out regardless of their age or heath. The strategic thinking behind such a policy will invariably take on board that this will potentially help those who are mask exempt who feel they have no choice. It gives them a safer alternative that is both safer to themselves and importantly protects other people as well. KJ | |||
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"I highly doubt any local authority has a dedicated team of people who are shopping for mask exempt people. Local authorities have a dedicated team of people looking after those who are clinically vulnerable and being mask exempt does not mean you are clinically vulnerable. If someone was to contact their local authority and say they need help with shopping because they are mask exempt they are likely to be told they are able to do their shopping themselves because people who are mask exempt have not been asked to stay indoors. The only people that have been asked to stay indoors our shield as or anybody who has symptoms, Has tested positive or been asked to self isolate. If you contact me with your email I am very happy to send some of the offical leaflets and info packs relating to all the different services offered in our area. KJ I am not giving you my personal details! So your local authority is giving out leaflets Telling people who are masked exempt to stay-at-home and to use the services provided? When is an email address classes as personal / secure details. You called me a liar and I offered to prove what I was saying. Regarding what you just said where did I say that? Please show me? No I said our local authority from the start of the pandemic had been on the front foot to ensure that anyone who can't (lets put mask exempt aside there are a lot of people for various reasons who can't.. the sheilding groups for starters) and also anyone who doesn't want to take the risk to themselves and to others doesn't need to (which can include those who can't wear a mask). KJ An email address is personal information covered under GDPR... It also takes less than 3 minutes to set up a new email address to receive some documents. Regardless the point was it's not right to call somebody a liar without any proof and based purely on an opinion. Especially when the person in question is more than happy to provide proof. KJ" Think what's being done in your area is outstanding and it's good to hear positive news about areas looking after people correctly... Well done ???? | |||
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"I highly doubt any local authority has a dedicated team of people who are shopping for mask exempt people. Local authorities have a dedicated team of people looking after those who are clinically vulnerable and being mask exempt does not mean you are clinically vulnerable. If someone was to contact their local authority and say they need help with shopping because they are mask exempt they are likely to be told they are able to do their shopping themselves because people who are mask exempt have not been asked to stay indoors. The only people that have been asked to stay indoors our shield as or anybody who has symptoms, Has tested positive or been asked to self isolate. If you contact me with your email I am very happy to send some of the offical leaflets and info packs relating to all the different services offered in our area. KJ I am not giving you my personal details! So your local authority is giving out leaflets Telling people who are masked exempt to stay-at-home and to use the services provided? When is an email address classes as personal / secure details. You called me a liar and I offered to prove what I was saying. Regarding what you just said where did I say that? Please show me? No I said our local authority from the start of the pandemic had been on the front foot to ensure that anyone who can't (lets put mask exempt aside there are a lot of people for various reasons who can't.. the sheilding groups for starters) and also anyone who doesn't want to take the risk to themselves and to others doesn't need to (which can include those who can't wear a mask). KJ An email address is personal information covered under GDPR... It also takes less than 3 minutes to set up a new email address to receive some documents. Regardless the point was it's not right to call somebody a liar without any proof and based purely on an opinion. Especially when the person in question is more than happy to provide proof. KJ Think what's being done in your area is outstanding and it's good to hear positive news about areas looking after people correctly... Well done ????" Thank you I just wish the political will came from the top of goverment downover to force MPs and Local Councillors to do everything possible to support their communities in this crisis. Many do but many are also happy to stay safely at home on 80% or even a full wage. When you look at what's been asked of our brave health workers both in the NHS and the outside health sectors, the supermarket workers, the teachers, all those in the supply chain and all the other key workers I personally feel a lot of them could be doing much more. KJ | |||
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"People who can't wear masks can still wear face shields No they cannot in some situations and nor are they being asked to. There is no such thing as mask exempt it is face covering exempt." 
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"Hi I am asking the below question because I am genuinely curious. To those people who are exempt from wearing a mask. If you catch covid would you also decline wearing an oxygen mask in hospital that could ultimately save your life? To wear a facemask according to the science is so you don't spread the virus to other people therefore you wear a mask to save other people's lives. This is flipped on its head if you catch covid because then wearing a mask in hospital is to purely save your own life. I'm genuinely interested in people's thoughts would the exempt refused oxygen masks in hospital when it becomes their own life on the line? My own Aunt had covid in November she has mild COPD and straight away got her lanyard off ebay and made sure everyone knew she was exempt. She very likely caught covid in the supermarket (its the only place she left her house for). When she was in hospital and starting to slowly recover she sent a picture of herself from hospital and low and behold she had an oxygen mask on. She was in hospital for 5 weeks and now suffers from long covid. KJ " If wearing a mask affects your abilty to get oxygen into you then wearing an oxygen mask is nothing like that. What a dumb question | |||
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"Wearing an oxygen mask is completely different to a cloth or disposable mask anyway. The design, the materials, the function. Etc. It's comparing apples and pears." Yep and entirely different sensations. It's kinda solid plastic so nothing really touches your mouth and there's a flow of oxygen through the tube so it's not like sucking air through fabric like in a surgical/cloth mask. | |||
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"People who can't wear masks can still wear face shields" This statement shows no understanding of why people are exempt from wearing 'facecoverings' | |||
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"People who can't wear masks can still wear face shields" Thank you for your input Dr. Is that for both health and psychiactric reasons. Where can I ask have you published this research? it will make an interesting read  | |||
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