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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

Ms Gives wood made a very good point on the other thread

Something Id often thought about too.

If the new covid variant is so infectious, surely masks should be seen as bio hazards and not just lobbed on the floor

Not sure yellow bins is the answer

But what is?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I see face masks everywhere on the floor even just in my local streets.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Loads littering the area, not fair and looks awful.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

the fact people chuck any rubbish on the floor is just another example of the number of entitled selfish people that populate this country

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Ms Gives wood made a very good point on the other thread

Something Id often thought about too.

If the new covid variant is so infectious, surely masks should be seen as bio hazards and not just lobbed on the floor

Not sure yellow bins is the answer

But what is?"

I have a couple of dozen FFP3 masks which dont get washed or dumped as they are rotated for at least a week from coming off to going back on

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"the fact people chuck any rubbish on the floor is just another example of the number of entitled selfish people that populate this country "

Completely agreed. Disgusting.

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By *andKBCouple
over a year ago

Plymouth

I work in care and all our PPE is yellow bagged since covid.

It should at the very least make it to an actual bin!!!

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By *sGivesWoodWoman
over a year ago

ST. AUSTELL, CORNWALL

Thankyou for highlighting this, Sappyofile.

Also, this is the correct procedure copied from the other thread where I highlighted the fact that they should be treated as clinical waste.

"To every single mask advocate here - do you do every single following step in correct order every single time you put one on?

If using a disposable mask:

1. Wash/sanitize your hands before handling the mask.

2. Remove it from the original packaging.

3. Put it on by ear straps, only touch the mask to secure it in position.

4. Do not under any circumstances touch your face while wearing it (no adjusting, no scratching, no pulling down) and if you do happen to touch it - do you sanitize/wash your hands immediately?

5. Do you remove your mask by the ear straps?

6. Do you safely dispose of it in a provided recycling bin?

7. Do you wash/sanitize your hands after removing your mask?

8. Do you NEVER reuse a blue/white disposable mask? You must use a fresh mask every time you take the old one off.

For reusable cloth covering:

All of the above except when you take it off -

Do you store it in a Ziploc bag until you can put it in a washing machine?

Do you use a fresh mask when you take the old one off?

If your answer is "No" to any of the questions above - congratulations you are a lot more likely to spread any diseases as well as get yourself ill than anyone who does not wear a face covering.

What I've just listed isn't something that I made up. It has been published in gov.uk for many months now only hidden in the small print."

I'm sorry I can't remember who posted this, but thanks for doing so.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I work in care and all our PPE is yellow bagged since covid.

It should at the very least make it to an actual bin!!!"

I work in a supermarket and we're the same.

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By *sGivesWoodWoman
over a year ago

ST. AUSTELL, CORNWALL

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By *sGivesWoodWoman
over a year ago

ST. AUSTELL, CORNWALL


"Ms Gives wood made a very good point on the other thread

Something Id often thought about too.

If the new covid variant is so infectious, surely masks should be seen as bio hazards and not just lobbed on the floor

Not sure yellow bins is the answer

But what is?"

A yellow bag to each household for them? These are currently given to households with people in that have clinical waste items like incontinence pads/pants etc. Quite how workable this would be for every household, I don't know, but it could be a possible solution.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Ms Gives wood made a very good point on the other thread

Something Id often thought about too.

If the new covid variant is so infectious, surely masks should be seen as bio hazards and not just lobbed on the floor

Not sure yellow bins is the answer

But what is?

A yellow bag to each household for them? These are currently given to households with people in that have clinical waste items like incontinence pads/pants etc. Quite how workable this would be for every household, I don't know, but it could be a possible solution. "

is it a bio hazard home waste bin really necessary though? your bin bag gets tied, its put into the green bin, which gets emptied with the bin men only having to touch the handles of the bin not the waste inside and they only collect once a week max ... how would yellow bin bags and a separate collection improve on any of this

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By *sGivesWoodWoman
over a year ago

ST. AUSTELL, CORNWALL


"Ms Gives wood made a very good point on the other thread

Something Id often thought about too.

If the new covid variant is so infectious, surely masks should be seen as bio hazards and not just lobbed on the floor

Not sure yellow bins is the answer

But what is?

A yellow bag to each household for them? These are currently given to households with people in that have clinical waste items like incontinence pads/pants etc. Quite how workable this would be for every household, I don't know, but it could be a possible solution.

is it a bio hazard home waste bin really necessary though? your bin bag gets tied, its put into the green bin, which gets emptied with the bin men only having to touch the handles of the bin not the waste inside and they only collect once a week max ... how would yellow bin bags and a separate collection improve on any of this "

The masks would be safely incinerated with other hazardous waste rather than putting it in landfill.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"the fact people chuck any rubbish on the floor is just another example of the number of entitled selfish people that populate this country "

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Do people put their used tissues in clinical waste bins?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Do people put their used tissues in clinical waste bins? "

Good point

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By *sGivesWoodWoman
over a year ago

ST. AUSTELL, CORNWALL


"Do people put their used tissues in clinical waste bins? "

Unlikely as they probably don't have them, hence my post. If they did, they probably would be more inclined to do so.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Do people put their used tissues in clinical waste bins?

Unlikely as they probably don't have them, hence my post. If they did, they probably would be more inclined to do so. "

People can't put their McDonald's bags in the bin less than a metre away.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Ms Gives wood made a very good point on the other thread

Something Id often thought about too.

If the new covid variant is so infectious, surely masks should be seen as bio hazards and not just lobbed on the floor

Not sure yellow bins is the answer

But what is?

A yellow bag to each household for them? These are currently given to households with people in that have clinical waste items like incontinence pads/pants etc. Quite how workable this would be for every household, I don't know, but it could be a possible solution.

is it a bio hazard home waste bin really necessary though? your bin bag gets tied, its put into the green bin, which gets emptied with the bin men only having to touch the handles of the bin not the waste inside and they only collect once a week max ... how would yellow bin bags and a separate collection improve on any of this

The masks would be safely incinerated with other hazardous waste rather than putting it in landfill. "

but by the time the masks reach landfill the virus is not likely to be live anymore , so what are they contaminating?

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By *sGivesWoodWoman
over a year ago

ST. AUSTELL, CORNWALL


"Do people put their used tissues in clinical waste bins?

Unlikely as they probably don't have them, hence my post. If they did, they probably would be more inclined to do so.

People can't put their McDonald's bags in the bin less than a metre away. "

Then they have no respect for others or the environment have they? Do you have a solution to the OPs question about yellow bins by any chance? I'm sure we would all love to discuss it here amongst other possible solutions to the problem of incorrect use and disposal of masks, which is actually what this thread is about.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Do people put their used tissues in clinical waste bins?

Unlikely as they probably don't have them, hence my post. If they did, they probably would be more inclined to do so.

People can't put their McDonald's bags in the bin less than a metre away.

Then they have no respect for others or the environment have they? Do you have a solution to the OPs question about yellow bins by any chance? I'm sure we would all love to discuss it here amongst other possible solutions to the problem of incorrect use and disposal of masks, which is actually what this thread is about. "

My point is that people don't dispose of their rubbish in 'normal' times so it's hardly surprising that they chuck masks on the floor.

I'm sorry my post was too difficult for you to understand.

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By *i1971Man
over a year ago

Cornwall

I don't think clinical waste bags are needed. With the relatively short survival rate for the virus on surfaces I don't see it as a problem.

If you were issued with a clinical waste bag, how often would you expect it to be collected? How many masks do you use a week?

For me at the moment, I may use maybe 3 in a week. On that basis it would take me 12 months plus to fill a bag. If this is a biohazard, many people have no outside storage for the bag and would have it cluttering up the property.

It is (or has become) normal household waste, and as mentioned above, tissues etc are placed in the normal household waste bin/bags

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By *pursChick aka ShortieWoman
over a year ago

On a mooch

I only use the disposable ones if going on public transport. I carry enough for the journeys I need, fresh one goes on at the start of the trip and then discarded in the nearest bin when I get off, the return trip is a new one. The only ones I have that are washable I use for the supermarket or out walking and it’s used for that purpose and straight in the wash basket

Unfortunately you’ll always have those that don’t care about picking up and dealing with their the rubbish they create, so masks are no different in their eyes

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By *hrista BellendWoman
over a year ago

surrounded by twinkly lights

The Royal Cornwall Trust hospitals are using a sterimelt to recycle their masks, the company makes bins and tool boxes with the plastic, the only waste is the elastic ears they have to cut off

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By *sGivesWoodWoman
over a year ago

ST. AUSTELL, CORNWALL


"Do people put their used tissues in clinical waste bins?

Unlikely as they probably don't have them, hence my post. If they did, they probably would be more inclined to do so.

People can't put their McDonald's bags in the bin less than a metre away.

Then they have no respect for others or the environment have they? Do you have a solution to the OPs question about yellow bins by any chance? I'm sure we would all love to discuss it here amongst other possible solutions to the problem of incorrect use and disposal of masks, which is actually what this thread is about.

My point is that people don't dispose of their rubbish in 'normal' times so it's hardly surprising that they chuck masks on the floor.

I'm sorry my post was too difficult for you to understand. "

It wasn't.

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By *sGivesWoodWoman
over a year ago

ST. AUSTELL, CORNWALL


"I don't think clinical waste bags are needed. With the relatively short survival rate for the virus on surfaces I don't see it as a problem.

If you were issued with a clinical waste bag, how often would you expect it to be collected? How many masks do you use a week?

For me at the moment, I may use maybe 3 in a week. On that basis it would take me 12 months plus to fill a bag. If this is a biohazard, many people have no outside storage for the bag and would have it cluttering up the property.

It is (or has become) normal household waste, and as mentioned above, tissues etc are placed in the normal household waste bin/bags

"

So are you re-using disposable masks or are you throwing away reusable ones? I did post correct usage from the government's website.

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By *ungBlackTopMan
over a year ago

salford

The virus doesn't survive long on inanimate surfaces/objects but I agree discarding them on the floor like that is just irresponsible but hey we're talking about humans the most shocking species on the planet.

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By *ove2pleaseseukMan
over a year ago

Hastings


"Ms Gives wood made a very good point on the other thread

Something Id often thought about too.

If the new covid variant is so infectious, surely masks should be seen as bio hazards and not just lobbed on the floor

Not sure yellow bins is the answer

But what is?

A yellow bag to each household for them? These are currently given to households with people in that have clinical waste items like incontinence pads/pants etc. Quite how workable this would be for every household, I don't know, but it could be a possible solution.

is it a bio hazard home waste bin really necessary though? your bin bag gets tied, its put into the green bin, which gets emptied with the bin men only having to touch the handles of the bin not the waste inside and they only collect once a week max ... how would yellow bin bags and a separate collection improve on any of this

The masks would be safely incinerated with other hazardous waste rather than putting it in landfill. "

In the southeast all house hold waste goes to incineration at Newhaven

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By *sGivesWoodWoman
over a year ago

ST. AUSTELL, CORNWALL


"Ms Gives wood made a very good point on the other thread

Something Id often thought about too.

If the new covid variant is so infectious, surely masks should be seen as bio hazards and not just lobbed on the floor

Not sure yellow bins is the answer

But what is?

A yellow bag to each household for them? These are currently given to households with people in that have clinical waste items like incontinence pads/pants etc. Quite how workable this would be for every household, I don't know, but it could be a possible solution.

is it a bio hazard home waste bin really necessary though? your bin bag gets tied, its put into the green bin, which gets emptied with the bin men only having to touch the handles of the bin not the waste inside and they only collect once a week max ... how would yellow bin bags and a separate collection improve on any of this

The masks would be safely incinerated with other hazardous waste rather than putting it in landfill.

In the southeast all house hold waste goes to incineration at Newhaven "

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I don't think clinical waste bags are needed. With the relatively short survival rate for the virus on surfaces I don't see it as a problem.

If you were issued with a clinical waste bag, how often would you expect it to be collected? How many masks do you use a week?

For me at the moment, I may use maybe 3 in a week. On that basis it would take me 12 months plus to fill a bag. If this is a biohazard, many people have no outside storage for the bag and would have it cluttering up the property.

It is (or has become) normal household waste, and as mentioned above, tissues etc are placed in the normal household waste bin/bags

So are you re-using disposable masks or are you throwing away reusable ones? I did post correct usage from the government's website. "

The virus only lasts up to 3 days...so if Disposable or not they should be safe to wear aa long as you wash your hands when putting it on and off.

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

I would want to know how long viral particles remain infectious on surfaces: I'm pretty sure that's been downgraded significantly since the first studies.

I use reusable masks and follow appropriate donning and doffing procedure.

Littering is disgusting whatever it is.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"The Royal Cornwall Trust hospitals are using a sterimelt to recycle their masks, the company makes bins and tool boxes with the plastic, the only waste is the elastic ears they have to cut off"

. this is great to hear

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By *inky_couple2020Couple
over a year ago

North West


"I would want to know how long viral particles remain infectious on surfaces: I'm pretty sure that's been downgraded significantly since the first studies.

I use reusable masks and follow appropriate donning and doffing procedure.

Littering is disgusting whatever it is."

Depending on the surface, anywhere between a few to 72hrs. Removing a worn reusable mask by the ear elastic, carefully dropping into a plastic sealable bag and chucking the mask straight in the wash should be fine (with suitable hand washing). I have little plastic pouches for my cloth ones - you can dangle by the elastic, drop into the pouch and seal the end.

The fluid repellent coating on proper disposable masks means viral particles shouldn't survive very long - the drier it is, the less hospitable it is for the virus.

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

The disposables have been in our water ways, including the oceans, for some time. It makes me feel sick to see them discarded so thoughtlessly.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I see face masks everywhere on the floor even just in my local streets."

Same where I live. Masks discarded outside supermarkets and in the street even though there are plenty of bins nearby. Don’t people have any respect for their environment these days?

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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago

upton wirral


"the fact people chuck any rubbish on the floor is just another example of the number of entitled selfish people that populate this country "

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By *ornucopiaMan
over a year ago

Bexley


"the fact people chuck any rubbish on the floor is just another example of the number of entitled selfish people that populate this country "

Especially as 'floor' has now come to mean any base surface whether inside a building or out!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"The disposables have been in our water ways, including the oceans, for some time. It makes me feel sick to see them discarded so thoughtlessly. "

Apparently its a ticking global time bomb thats building up at an insanse pace given almost all the worlds population are using them for the last 10 months.

Sadly its going to be (and already is places) utterly devasting to marine life

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I see face masks everywhere on the floor even just in my local streets.

Same where I live. Masks discarded outside supermarkets and in the street even though there are plenty of bins nearby. Don’t people have any respect for their environment these days?"

Left in trollies too! That's just wronger than wrong.

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By *andyfloss2000Woman
over a year ago

ashford


"I see face masks everywhere on the floor even just in my local streets.

Same where I live. Masks discarded outside supermarkets and in the street even though there are plenty of bins nearby. Don’t people have any respect for their environment these days?

Left in trollies too! That's just wronger than wrong."

Yes it is! My mate works in car park doing trolleys the amount the poor bugger has to clear out of the trolleys is awful! X

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)


"I would want to know how long viral particles remain infectious on surfaces: I'm pretty sure that's been downgraded significantly since the first studies.

I use reusable masks and follow appropriate donning and doffing procedure.

Littering is disgusting whatever it is.

Depending on the surface, anywhere between a few to 72hrs. Removing a worn reusable mask by the ear elastic, carefully dropping into a plastic sealable bag and chucking the mask straight in the wash should be fine (with suitable hand washing). I have little plastic pouches for my cloth ones - you can dangle by the elastic, drop into the pouch and seal the end.

The fluid repellent coating on proper disposable masks means viral particles shouldn't survive very long - the drier it is, the less hospitable it is for the virus. "

I hoped you'd show up

I have a clean zip lock and dirty zip lock, and wash or sanitise before touching anything

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By *ornucopiaMan
over a year ago

Bexley

Cutting a bit of slack, I suspect that some of the 'left in trollies' could be accidental after being pulled off to make packing the car more comfortable.

I can visualise the "Oh Fk. Where's my mask?" moment when they get to the next shop.

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By *inky_couple2020Couple
over a year ago

North West


"I would want to know how long viral particles remain infectious on surfaces: I'm pretty sure that's been downgraded significantly since the first studies.

I use reusable masks and follow appropriate donning and doffing procedure.

Littering is disgusting whatever it is.

Depending on the surface, anywhere between a few to 72hrs. Removing a worn reusable mask by the ear elastic, carefully dropping into a plastic sealable bag and chucking the mask straight in the wash should be fine (with suitable hand washing). I have little plastic pouches for my cloth ones - you can dangle by the elastic, drop into the pouch and seal the end.

The fluid repellent coating on proper disposable masks means viral particles shouldn't survive very long - the drier it is, the less hospitable it is for the virus.

I hoped you'd show up

I have a clean zip lock and dirty zip lock, and wash or sanitise before touching anything"

I'd expect nothing less than your ziplock bag arrangement

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By *olly_chromaticTV/TS
over a year ago

Stockport

Dropping any litter is wrong, but throwing used masks on the floor is utterly vile and disgusting. Also as people have pointed out, a possible health hazard to anyone that has to clean them up. Personally, given the very serious situation the country has reached, i would welcome strict government enforcement with large fines or even short jail sentences for this type of behaviour. I find it much on a par with shitting in the street.

As far as safe disposal, given the fairly short lifetime of the virus especially in drier conditions, bathroom waste bin with a liner which is tied before putting into general waste bin for collection should be fine - basically treat same as used tissues. But would be nice if people would take them home to put in their own bin, rather than piling them on top of an already overflowing public bin. For the conspiracy theorists, please think along the lines that it's your DNA, can you please use some of that paranoia and take your DNA home so that Bill Gates can't steal samples from your used mask...

MsGivesWood's posting about proper mask handling and use does make good points, though there is probably proportionate middle ground depending on the circumstances of the mask use. For someone working in front line health care, nurses, doctors etc, then i imagine that every single point is vital. For safety of both patient and health professional.

For an individual that is wearing a mask for half an hour to do a quick nip round a supermarket at off-peak hours, interacting with a very small number of others and only for a few seconds at a distance, then the primary benefit of the mask is to diminish the effect of a stray cough or sneeze in contaminating goods on shelves.

In between circumstances - well, in between precautions, according to common sense. Unfortunately though, common sense seems to be one of the most uncommon commodities on the planet...

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